Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of the Frame for a Second podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm your host for the evening. My name is Mike.
Speaker 2: Next to me, I have Spike. Across from Spike, I
Speaker 2: have Ken, and next to Ken, I have Rod. And
Speaker 2: today we are covering a special one. We are covering
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three's sleep Away Camp.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: This is an.
Speaker 2: Anniversary film, which is why we're doing it because it
Speaker 2: would seem totally random otherwise.
Speaker 1: It is an anniversary film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the fortieth or thirtieth, probably fortieth three.
Speaker 1: No, we didn't.
Speaker 2: Why are we doing this thing just because that movie's.
Speaker 4: Coming out that we were going to review the camp camps.
Speaker 4: Aim in my asked like, Yo, should we see sleep
Speaker 4: Away Camp? And he was just like maybe probably, Oh.
Speaker 2: Oh, but that's not why we we didn't. You're right
Speaker 2: that now. I do remember saying that we should do it.
Speaker 5: That's why. That's why I asked, was the right year
Speaker 5: in the chat? It was like eighty three, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Right, because yeah, this is in preparation for teenage Sex
Speaker 2: and Death at Camp Miasma because it has sleep Away
Speaker 2: Camp references. Just from what I've seen, I feel like
Speaker 2: they're going to reference this.
Speaker 1: Movie a lot.
Speaker 2: But god, that seems like a really dumb reason to
Speaker 2: review this. But okay, I guess I'm dumb.
Speaker 1: We do that though it's part of it too.
Speaker 2: It seems weird.
Speaker 1: It's part of the movie.
Speaker 3: We talked about reviewing it last year as well, So
Speaker 3: it's a couple of reasons why we're reviewing its anniversary.
Speaker 1: And is that what it was crazy about it?
Speaker 2: That sounds for me that yeah, that sounds that's what
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: That's what it was.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, either way, we're reviewing it, y'all. We are
Speaker 2: talking about it today.
Speaker 1: So I'm going around the room.
Speaker 2: I assume nobody here has seen this movie before, so
Speaker 2: this will be interesting. I'm gonna say the best for
Speaker 2: last Rod. What did you think about this movie? I'm
Speaker 2: sorry my bad. I was kind of rude, but.
Speaker 3: Right because you're not the best.
Speaker 4: I was trying to give it a chance. Man, I
Speaker 4: just it's too many elements that it was just too
Speaker 4: many elements. It's just like, I don't know, I just
Speaker 4: acting was bad. And I know acting was kind of
Speaker 4: bad back in the early eighties some time. But we
Speaker 4: did have some good acting in the eighties, and I'm
Speaker 4: just like, I can't give it that excuse. Overall, story
Speaker 4: just just wasn't that great.
Speaker 2: It's just just too many things that I just didn't
Speaker 2: enjoy about it.
Speaker 1: From a what do you call it?
Speaker 2: Campy horror element, Sure it has all of that, but
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of that personally.
Speaker 4: So that's why for me it wasn't that much. It
Speaker 4: wasn't that of an enjoyable watch.
Speaker 1: For me, ken it wasn't a bad watch.
Speaker 3: I was able to kind of contextualize the movie for
Speaker 3: the year that it was in. It's a slasher film,
Speaker 3: so you know what you're gonna get with that, and
Speaker 3: really just trying to say a in eighty three eighty
Speaker 3: four whenever I watched it, like, how would I know
Speaker 3: responded or reacted to this movie, especially when I was youngest,
Speaker 3: So I definitely feel like it's one of those you
Speaker 3: had to be there. It's one of the movies to
Speaker 3: really appreciate, like what was going on here? So adjusting
Speaker 3: my viewing experience to the time, I understand, well, I
Speaker 3: do get the cult following it has now, but I
Speaker 3: don't think it was that bad. You know, I don't
Speaker 3: think it was great. But I think for the time,
Speaker 3: I think it was a perfectly okay movie, you know so,
Speaker 3: and I think it would have worked and just been
Speaker 3: like one of those where that's like right in the.
Speaker 1: Middle or a little bit below the middle.
Speaker 2: Okay, where did you think about sleep Away Camp?
Speaker 5: It was like it was like a low budget like
Speaker 5: Jason movie or something like. It seemed like a knockoff
Speaker 5: of a real slasher film. I wasn't sure I was
Speaker 5: watching the right thing, That's why I know, and nobody
Speaker 5: cared either, Like I just asked and nobody was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: this is the right one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you just watched it. It ain't it. I
Speaker 2: ain't watching enough. It was funny how they like I
Speaker 2: thought that if you put the words in separately, it will
Speaker 2: something messe will pop up.
Speaker 1: What'd you watch it on to me?
Speaker 2: Or I think it was too lucky that they just
Speaker 2: took it off to but because it's a part two.
Speaker 2: Yeah there's part two, there's part three, and then there's
Speaker 2: a return to sleep Away Camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what I saw.
Speaker 2: That's what the first when I was putting it in,
Speaker 2: one of those was popping.
Speaker 1: It was the rake.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, it was typical like what you guys
Speaker 5: are saying slash the film eighties. If you've seen I
Speaker 5: feel like one movie from that era, you've seen them all,
Speaker 5: with the exception of the twist at the end. So yeah,
Speaker 5: this movie never crossed I mean, y'ah, I've never heard it.
Speaker 3: Thinking about in all my life, I didn't. I never
Speaker 3: heard of this movie until Mike brought it up last
Speaker 3: year or so. But even as a kid, I don't
Speaker 3: even know. This never crossed my reading. I never heard
Speaker 3: of this same.
Speaker 1: Was it underground?
Speaker 2: Like? Was it like a I mean no, it was
Speaker 2: no more underground than any of the other old Slashers
Speaker 2: back then. One more one more.
Speaker 4: Like that's like was that you would consider like kind
Speaker 4: of not supermans because this come out in the theaters?
Speaker 1: Did it?
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it did, because I don't know.
Speaker 3: What what I looked up after I watched it.
Speaker 1: It did. I'm pretty sure it did. I just don't
Speaker 1: I don't think it performs well. But don't do that.
Speaker 2: But you know, movies like The Burning or you know,
Speaker 2: Tourist Trap, those like Slashers had a run because they
Speaker 2: were fairly easy formulas. You just have, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: a person, whether you want to give him a motive
Speaker 2: or not. He's just going around killing people, but who
Speaker 2: knows why. You know, this is a pretty standard slasher movie.
Speaker 2: The the twist is what made it, you know, a
Speaker 2: cult classic. If the lead actress, you know, if she's
Speaker 2: at a comic con, everyone knows what she's there for, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're Angela from sleep Away Camp. Do the face, do
Speaker 2: the face, do the face? And she still does it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she still does it. So yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 2: just as quote unquote popular as some of the more
Speaker 2: less mainstream slasher films. But yeah, it didn't perform very
Speaker 2: well because even for that era of slashers, this was
Speaker 2: pretty low budget. They didn't have any famous actors or actresses.
Speaker 2: I think the effects are pretty good, honestly, but we'll
Speaker 2: get to that.
Speaker 1: But I think this movie is good.
Speaker 2: I do understand people looking at it and being like,
Speaker 2: this is extremely offensive, So I feel bad talking about that.
Speaker 2: I think that I put this movie in that category,
Speaker 2: the same category of like Eminem's Marshall Matters LP. The
Speaker 2: fucking album is great, but it's extremely homophobic. It's extremely offensive.
Speaker 2: I get it. So it's like one of those things
Speaker 2: where you're like, yes, it is a fucked up piece
Speaker 2: of art, but the same time, it's kind of hard
Speaker 2: to deny the entertainment value from it. But I can
Speaker 2: also say that because I'm not in the queer community.
Speaker 2: So if somebody from that community was like, that's fucked up,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna argue, like, yep, you're right, that is
Speaker 2: fucked up. It's like white people be talking about how
Speaker 2: they love mel Brooks films. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: is it Blazing Saddles, that's mel Brooks right where it's
Speaker 2: just nigger this, nigga that, Or how much they love
Speaker 2: Tarantino films. It's like, all right, bro, I get it.
Speaker 2: But you know, anyways, it did have a theatrical release. Yeah, figured, yeah,
Speaker 2: I figured, but I don't think it performed very well
Speaker 2: in the theaters.
Speaker 1: It made eleven million at that time. That's pretty good
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: That is good because they only use three hundred k
Speaker 2: I think, so that is good. The second one had
Speaker 2: a limited theatrical release. Well, the second and the third
Speaker 2: one had nothing to do. They didn't have the same
Speaker 2: actress and the director didn't do those. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: mean I've seen all of them, and the second the
Speaker 2: third one really had nothing. They had nothing to do
Speaker 2: with the first one. The third DVD figures.
Speaker 4: So first one did well with I'm sure I'm surprised
Speaker 4: the second one didn't do well.
Speaker 1: You said, what didn't happen?
Speaker 3: But I think the critics, okay, I could see that
Speaker 3: because the original the original one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: Well we're gonna go ahead and run through this bad boy.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: So the movie starts off. There's a guy on the
Speaker 2: lake with his kids. Uh, he has a son and
Speaker 2: a daughter, and while they're on the water, an accident happens,
Speaker 2: which kills the father and one of the kids. So, Spike,
Speaker 2: when you when you first cut this on, and that's
Speaker 2: the beginning where you were you on board or were
Speaker 2: you already like this is stupid? I was already like
Speaker 2: this is stupid. I would not that harsh of it.
Speaker 5: No, I was wondering where they were gonna take us
Speaker 5: with the death, like just gonna make this little.
Speaker 2: The person that was left back.
Speaker 5: Was it gonna make them some like evil spirit or
Speaker 5: something like that?
Speaker 1: That might have been better? Right? All right?
Speaker 3: Rod?
Speaker 1: What about you? I unfortunately figured it out at this point.
Speaker 2: How'd you figure it out? This is one of my
Speaker 2: biggest issues with this film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when the kid was swimming in the water and
Speaker 4: I was just like, oh, I think I know what's
Speaker 4: gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I really don't know why they did that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: been granted. When I was a kid and I saw this,
Speaker 2: I saw this problem. I was like, ten, I didn't
Speaker 2: I didn't pick that up. But as an adult looking
Speaker 2: at it, You're like, why the fuck did you do that?
Speaker 2: You just gave the whole movie away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kenny, you didn't show you didn't show the face purposely,
Speaker 4: And I was just like, ah, man, you see the hair.
Speaker 1: You see the hair?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm like, yeah, got it. So yeah, that
Speaker 4: was the first thing I thought about.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn it.
Speaker 2: This is why I'm like watching trailers and all that
Speaker 2: type of stuff, because certain things I could pick up
Speaker 2: on and what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, that's that. That was my only issue
Speaker 1: early on. Yeah, the uh.
Speaker 2: The boat that them, that was really obvious. She wasn't
Speaker 2: looking ahead of it, Like, Yo, how long are you
Speaker 2: gonna not look in front of you?
Speaker 1: Like Jesus kind of in an open body of water shore, Yeah,
Speaker 1: something like come on, y'all. So, yeah, that was that
Speaker 1: was that was crazy? Ken. Did you figure it out
Speaker 1: at the beginning or.
Speaker 3: No, I mean not not like that, No, but I
Speaker 3: mean that the da You know, of course we knew
Speaker 3: he was gone because they showed up the life jacket
Speaker 3: and I suspected that that, you know, the kid may
Speaker 3: not make it up with all. But I was just
Speaker 3: so stuck on the yelling that the girl was doing.
Speaker 3: Like we didn't even see anything. They don't have any
Speaker 3: blood in this movie, which is funny.
Speaker 1: They did, I mean they did not. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the shower scene when she when uh, oh,
Speaker 2: yeah Meg, I think her name is Meg, right, I
Speaker 2: think I was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was I thinking about that? Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: it was a lot. Well.
Speaker 2: Eight years later, we catch up with uh Richard aka
Speaker 2: Ricky and Angela and they live with Ricky's mom Martha.
Speaker 2: What did you think of Aunt Martha? Spike? No, that
Speaker 2: just won't do no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: One was talking the riddles and stuff. Yes, it was
Speaker 5: supposed to be a doctor or something. I just marked
Speaker 5: this down. A's crazy in this movie, just being crazy.
Speaker 5: Later on, something came from her being crazy though, right, Well, yeah,
Speaker 5: we'll get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I just thought she was a crazy person.
Speaker 2: I mean, the basically the whole movie came for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a driving force behind what happened.
Speaker 3: But I really didn't think too much about her at
Speaker 3: the moment because it was.
Speaker 1: Really just like, damn, just being sent to camp.
Speaker 3: So that's all I looked at it, just the same
Speaker 3: for like, hey, we're gonna go to camp, and you
Speaker 3: gotta go to camp, and that was it. Okay, it
Speaker 3: was a little over top for me, like them, just
Speaker 3: make this a little bit more believable.
Speaker 1: Why are y'all gonna be over.
Speaker 2: I know, And like you said, I was trying my
Speaker 2: best to put myself back in that place, but it
Speaker 2: was it was hard.
Speaker 1: It was tough. I can't lie. It was tough.
Speaker 2: I've never I mean, I'm assuming this was intentional because
Speaker 2: the acting in the movie is bad, but Aunt Martha,
Speaker 2: if she's supposed to be serious, she's terrible. So I'm
Speaker 2: assuming that this was intentional to kind of show that
Speaker 2: she was having a mental break. But yeah, I fuck
Speaker 2: with on Martha. Martha's crazy as shit. But uh, Ricky
Speaker 2: and Angelo are sent to camp and at camp we
Speaker 2: meet mel mel Is a guy who runs the camp.
Speaker 2: We meet Ben, who is the cook, the black guy, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, that y'all know who he was. Oh man,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, so you don't know his last name Earl Jones.
Speaker 2: So really that's James, Earl Jones's father. Really I could
Speaker 2: tell you. Yeah, for sure. I was like, he looks.
Speaker 2: He reminds me they couldn't get James Jones.
Speaker 1: James like, no, I'm not doing that ship. Better call
Speaker 1: my daddy. He ain't doing nothing right now. That's wow.
Speaker 1: That is really cool.
Speaker 3: Though I didn't know his act well he doesn't, but
Speaker 3: I know he was in his dad was the movie.
Speaker 1: You know who else is in this acting? This?
Speaker 2: Y'all know the situation from Jersey Shore.
Speaker 1: No heard about him.
Speaker 2: Before though, okay, well for those of you that do
Speaker 2: know whose situation is, his brother is in this movie is.
Speaker 1: Damn that's being Earl Jones. That's crazy. That is James.
Speaker 2: I was thinking when I see him, I thoughts, look like,
Speaker 2: look like once you know, you won't unsee it. He
Speaker 2: looks like him and he's sure the funk sounds like
Speaker 2: it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But yeah.
Speaker 2: Then we also meet Artie who's the white cook and
Speaker 2: then we meet probably Spike's favorite character in the whole film, Ronnie.
Speaker 2: Ronnie is a dude that's just wearing the shorts that
Speaker 2: of the Oh my god, he.
Speaker 1: May as well just being fucking drunk, especially from the back.
Speaker 1: What the hell.
Speaker 2: Put some clothes on it?
Speaker 1: All the boys? Yeah, the truck is crazy in this movie. Yo,
Speaker 1: what is happening? Yeah?
Speaker 2: All the men and boys were dressed kind of wide.
Speaker 2: Especially actually the men were dressed worse than the It's
Speaker 2: like the dude had crop top, the hal the top.
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, what they.
Speaker 2: I couldn't what is happening?
Speaker 1: Right? There is a string.
Speaker 4: I remember niggas used to wear biker ships and ship
Speaker 4: I remember that error. Yeah, I remember the biker short era,
Speaker 4: but like, nah, man, this was the pumps in the bump.
Speaker 1: But no, man, I.
Speaker 2: Was like, yo, wowest dream short short. Don't know, man,
Speaker 2: but it's fucking It's funny as hell to me, dude,
Speaker 2: this movie is so weird.
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Speaker 1: We also meet Paul.
Speaker 2: Paul is Ricky's friend who tells Ricky about Judy. You know,
Speaker 2: apparently she's got big old t d's or whatever. I guess,
Speaker 2: but they never really made it all the way clear.
Speaker 2: But it looked like Ricky and Judy like had like
Speaker 2: a little thing the previous summer. We're not sure how
Speaker 2: deep that thing was for Judy clearly clearly wasn't that deep.
Speaker 2: But we also meet camp counselors Susie and Meg. But
Speaker 2: what did y'all think about how Angela was behaving towards
Speaker 2: the other people at camp? Did y'all just think she
Speaker 2: was special? Or did you think she was crazy?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 3: I thought that traumatized from what happened. I don't know
Speaker 3: if it was it's not the same camp right, whether
Speaker 3: it happened, so she went back.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, So I was I was right about that.
Speaker 2: Camp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I thought she just went back to a
Speaker 3: place where a tragic event happened, and she just shut
Speaker 3: down and was just looking at everybody like I'm with them, Man,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is wrong with you.
Speaker 1: Looking at me like that?
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't have kept messing with her because I'm
Speaker 3: like that motherfucker crazy right.
Speaker 1: Also as a kid, I get it too.
Speaker 3: Because you you bully other kids that are weird so
Speaker 3: you can fit in peer pressure whatever whatever. The other
Speaker 3: thing I thought was interesting just as a quick as side. Well,
Speaker 3: I know we'll get to that scene. But I was
Speaker 3: thinking about, like how the teenagers were talking among each other.
Speaker 3: And I remember I was playing with my my wife.
Speaker 3: I was in there cooking something like that. It was
Speaker 3: on and we were watching it. I was like, I
Speaker 3: was like, and I was remember the conversation they were
Speaker 3: having about Judy and the other person.
Speaker 1: I was like, dangn these movies did used to.
Speaker 3: Kind of promote sex at a young age to like
Speaker 3: teenagers and stuff like it was normal, like you had to.
Speaker 1: Be normalized it. Bro.
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, this is kind of like looking back,
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, this is crazy. Ye now something would
Speaker 3: they would say, they would like you have set you
Speaker 3: get killed, you know, so it was like that.
Speaker 1: But I was just like, yo, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: So I thought that that was interesting just looking at
Speaker 3: it as an adult now and what the times were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, Angela is doing an amazing job of
Speaker 2: playing like she's fucking insane. So did y'all take it
Speaker 2: as she was insane or did y'all take think she
Speaker 2: was slow or both?
Speaker 1: I didn't say.
Speaker 4: I didn't think insane and just that she was just
Speaker 4: I won't even say necessarily shot. Well, I guess shine
Speaker 4: a sense more. I lean more towards just like like
Speaker 4: just not social, because I mean she was like that
Speaker 4: at the house. It wasn't just the camp. She just
Speaker 4: just quiet. But yeah, that's that's just I didn't take
Speaker 4: any further.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought since Mike was holding it in, since
Speaker 5: I regarded the little girl was crazy and she was
Speaker 5: just like flip out on everybody's like, so something crazy
Speaker 5: it was gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Well, she seems to not want to talk or eat,
Speaker 2: and Ronnie with his little short shorts, he tries to
Speaker 2: help her by taking her to the kitchen again to
Speaker 2: get the cooks to try to find her something that
Speaker 2: she actually may want to eat, but something goes down
Speaker 2: in the walking closet between her and Artie. But then
Speaker 2: Lartie gets what he deserves a few minutes later when
Speaker 2: a pot of boiling water falls on him. So what
Speaker 2: did y'all think of this part? And were y'all surprised
Speaker 2: that they were putting like pedal shit in this?
Speaker 4: I was yeah, yeah, like immediately because he was saying
Speaker 4: that when they were like fresh, mean like, I'm like,
Speaker 4: what the hell?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And now I'm trying to guess the movies. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: so not gets the movie. But I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is what type of movie this is? So I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is weird, but you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah that that that kind of But I was like,
Speaker 3: dang man doing this like in the eighties, like that too.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but then what happened to him made sense.
Speaker 3: It was like he's thinking, this beaver who knows what
Speaker 3: he's done before, because it seemed like I don't know
Speaker 3: if Ben kind of knew it.
Speaker 1: This way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh dude, Because he was saying the ship
Speaker 3: to Ben Oh yeah, yeah, not too young or something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, god, dang, bro.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah when something happened to him being said he
Speaker 2: was a wild water or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I also wonder like, did Ronnie know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he knew to take her to the kitchen?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: I don't think I thought you was talking about to
Speaker 2: do to own it?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, tell me yeah, because it was Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was just weird. Was like, oh, let me take it
Speaker 3: to the kitchen to get something to me. It was like, bro,
Speaker 3: why are you taking that in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: He doesn't seemed like the type just from the movie.
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem like the type that would have brought
Speaker 2: that little girl to Artie and just been like, yeah,
Speaker 2: go in the closet with him.
Speaker 1: He's fine.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think he knew. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this is one of those things where it's like the
Speaker 2: special effects always get me because they're they're so good
Speaker 2: for such a low budget film. Showing him burning like that,
Speaker 2: I thought the effects looked great. Anybody got any thoughts
Speaker 2: in the baseball game. If not, we'll keep going.
Speaker 1: More short shorts. I remember it, but not like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. So that night some kids are picking
Speaker 2: on Angela with prompts Ricky and Paul to get in
Speaker 2: a fight with them. And afterwards, my boy Paul lays
Speaker 2: that fucking pimp game down on Angela. But after that, Kenny,
Speaker 2: one of the kids who was picking on Angela is
Speaker 2: killed in a boat. What did y'all think of this part?
Speaker 3: First of the fights back in the day, the eighties, fights.
Speaker 1: When they just get on the ground and just around.
Speaker 2: One punch, they have the one then anything else is
Speaker 2: rolling on for position.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but boys, is so stupid, like you like this girl, Rod,
Speaker 3: or maybe they were just bullying them. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, you like this girl, You're gonna drive
Speaker 3: him out of here and dump her in the water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty standard. Yeah, sounds like something little
Speaker 2: little boys would do, get little teenage boys. It's definitely one.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was so stupid.
Speaker 3: But of course he was gonna die because yeah, anybody
Speaker 3: that picked on her was was a rap.
Speaker 4: But could you do that to get close to them
Speaker 4: or just like joke around. It's like, yeah, boys do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so stupid. Angela must be a hell of
Speaker 3: a swimmer. That's what I was thinking, Like, I was like,
Speaker 3: what is happening right now?
Speaker 2: She's just gonna pop up out the water like that?
Speaker 1: Uh so that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just more gripes, more gripes, Like okay, how how
Speaker 4: is this possible?
Speaker 1: She's just treading water right here?
Speaker 2: Just they both just are they standing up?
Speaker 1: Like what is happening? Like?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I like the sea sneak seat snake came out,
Speaker 3: you know the end when he all that was because
Speaker 3: it was just talking about seat snakes.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I didn't even yeah I pick pick that
Speaker 4: part out, but yeah, it was just I was just
Speaker 4: bothered more damn, that's all it looked.
Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't one of the that skills. I
Speaker 3: think it was the weakest killed out of all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'm just asking. But the after the fact,
Speaker 4: I thought it was good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 4: all fun.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, I just I just wanted to give
Speaker 1: him this movie much grace. That's all.
Speaker 2: You either, same damn.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Well, the next day, Paul asked Angela to go the
Speaker 2: movies with him, and after the movie, Paul tells her
Speaker 2: he wants to show her something and he kisses her
Speaker 2: real quick. Did anybody think this was weird? Or do
Speaker 2: you think this was just like Little Boys?
Speaker 1: Paul is the one.
Speaker 2: The friend that ended up liking Angela got you?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Was it weird that he was asking her, like, yo,
Speaker 2: what's wrong with you? Was it weird that he said,
Speaker 2: come on, I want to show you something and then
Speaker 2: he brought her around the corner and he kissed her,
Speaker 2: and then she looked upset a little bit and he
Speaker 2: was like, you know, before you go, can I have
Speaker 2: another one?
Speaker 1: That's what she said.
Speaker 2: That's what he said.
Speaker 1: But she liked it? Right?
Speaker 3: I can't remember.
Speaker 2: It didn't seem like it.
Speaker 4: I thought she would talk. I thought we was trying
Speaker 4: to walk away. She was just like, she said something
Speaker 4: to him. That's the same boy, right, What is somebody else?
Speaker 4: There's only one boy that she talks to besides Ricky,
Speaker 4: and it's Paul.
Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yes, but in that scene, in this scene, she didn't
Speaker 2: seem like she liked.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: No, she said I have to go and she goes inside.
Speaker 4: Hmmm, I'm not sure if it seemed wrong to me
Speaker 4: right here? Yeah, I'm not sure that way it.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of in between because on one hand, I
Speaker 3: could see that she been staring at everybody with these
Speaker 3: buck eyes, and he's the only one that she's willing
Speaker 3: to talk to.
Speaker 1: So this.
Speaker 3: Could read and it was maybe read it to me
Speaker 3: as if she was just still so somewhat reserved and
Speaker 3: shy and not ready to kind of fully come out
Speaker 3: and express reciprocation. So so that's why I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what, I gotta go, I got a bounce,
Speaker 3: Let me get out of here. And you know, so
Speaker 3: that's kind of what I was reading it. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: same thing.
Speaker 5: I feel like that she was battling with being shy
Speaker 5: at this point in time, still like she is just
Speaker 5: talking to that one guy, but that shows she's not
Speaker 5: completely trying to loosen up a little.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's trying to loosen.
Speaker 1: Up a little bit.
Speaker 2: And then they give us this You're like, okay, well
Speaker 2: where does this go? Hmm?
Speaker 1: You thought it was predatory? Yes?
Speaker 2: I think this because I can't remember if we brought
Speaker 2: it up or not. But there's been like an ongoing
Speaker 2: debate around the movie Obsession and whether or not Bear
Speaker 2: is a villain, and then some people are just like, no,
Speaker 2: Bear didn't do anything wrong, and then other people are like,
Speaker 2: you're fucking insane.
Speaker 1: Bear is a predator.
Speaker 2: At the very least, he's a fucking rat. I definitely
Speaker 2: think Paul was problematic. Paul was definitely problematic in this
Speaker 2: scene and in a layer scene that we'll discuss, but
Speaker 2: in this scene in particular, Yeah, he's being he's being weird.
Speaker 2: Now granted he's a kid, yeah, but him being as
Speaker 2: forceful as he is is just odd. He acts like
Speaker 2: because Angela talked to him and that, and therefore, you know,
Speaker 2: that's his woman, and then she should not be behaving
Speaker 2: like she doesn't want to be around him. She needs
Speaker 2: to be happy. It's just weird how he's acting.
Speaker 4: They did kind of set him up that way because
Speaker 4: early on that's what he was talking about Judy.
Speaker 1: Oh did you see her? Oh my god?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so, yeah, I guess they did kind
Speaker 4: of make him seem like that type of character. To
Speaker 4: me at that point, it was it was kind of subtle,
Speaker 4: seemed like he just liked her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Well, then at some point Meg goes off on Angela
Speaker 2: because Angela won't talk to her. But there was also
Speaker 2: something that went down between Angela and Judy in the
Speaker 2: girls room. Do you all remember this part where Judy
Speaker 2: was asking Angela how come she never showers with him?
Speaker 2: Another kind of indication of what happens at the end,
Speaker 2: But at the time I did not think about that
Speaker 2: at all. I was like, Okay, well, she doesn't want
Speaker 2: to shower, y'all. Was this just like a whatever passed
Speaker 2: by line to y'all?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 3: No, not for me, And I don't even think back
Speaker 3: then I would have thought the same thing. I would have,
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't have associated it with where we went
Speaker 3: with it. I would have been like, shy, they've been
Speaker 3: bullying and picking on her, so she just wants to
Speaker 3: make sure that she's not in a situation where that
Speaker 3: could happen again, you know. So that's how I kind
Speaker 3: of read it, and probably would have read it back
Speaker 3: in the day too.
Speaker 2: Okay, anybody else get anything different from that. I feel
Speaker 2: like at this point I knew where we were going.
Speaker 2: I just didn't know how we were gonna get there. See,
Speaker 2: you know, at some point Angela was gonna be revealed
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just because, but it was mainly not because, like, oh,
Speaker 5: I made this wild movie guess it was because you
Speaker 5: were talking about the end and then the context clues
Speaker 5: of it before, and I'm like, I think I see
Speaker 5: where this is going.
Speaker 2: Ok So, all right, So while while walking to Ricky's
Speaker 2: place and campus, throw a water balloon in Angela, which
Speaker 2: leads to a confrontation between them and Ricky, and later
Speaker 2: while taking a fucking fat ass dump Billy who was
Speaker 2: one of the kids that threw the water balloon at Angela. Uh,
Speaker 2: he's killed when someone dumps a bee hive into the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Did y'all did y'all like this part?
Speaker 1: Spike?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this reminded me of my girl a little bit
Speaker 5: when Thomas Jay got uh. But yeah, And the kills
Speaker 5: were interesting, like they that's never really It wasn't traditional slashing,
Speaker 5: like well, you know you had these like other than
Speaker 5: the shower maybe sure, but there was no like just
Speaker 5: traditional kills. It was just like, oh, you were fucking
Speaker 5: with this person, and look what karma did to you.
Speaker 5: It was sort of like that, So I found that interesting.
Speaker 3: I definitely enjoyed this because I didn't know what was
Speaker 3: going to happen. I thought they were probably gonna stamp
Speaker 3: in the back of the net when I saw that
Speaker 3: beat I come through that. I was like, I'm asking questions,
Speaker 3: but I'm going with it too. I'm like, okay, how
Speaker 3: did you not get by grabbing it off the tree?
Speaker 3: But whatever, it's cool because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Like you.
Speaker 3: Up, bro, you locked him in there, he couldn't get out,
Speaker 3: and then like the facts they showed it was so
Speaker 3: extra and over the top because there was some big ass.
Speaker 1: Like holes boils on.
Speaker 3: It didn't even matter, man, because I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: he got what he deserved and shout out to my man,
Speaker 3: Ricky Bro, because Ricky, you you did something that angela
Speaker 3: Ricky is.
Speaker 2: On your immediately post taste.
Speaker 3: And it definitely again, this reminded me of the eighties
Speaker 3: where all he's doing is just yelling and screaming at everybody.
Speaker 1: Let me.
Speaker 2: Why I playing bro when he don't play about his
Speaker 2: cousin man at all. I like this scene too, It's
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. But I've read over the years that they
Speaker 2: at some point implied that the kid had an allergy.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that, but because otherwise those bees doing
Speaker 2: that doesn't really make a whole lot.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of bees, though it's a lot
Speaker 3: of but like, bees don't do that.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the holes that is the holes and
Speaker 1: like they were all over his face.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, people get stung like that, but bees
Speaker 2: don't just like flock all over and you know, just
Speaker 2: sting your face to death. But I still like the scene.
Speaker 2: But after that we see mel talking to Ronnie. Ronnie
Speaker 2: once again at the guy with the little shorts, and
Speaker 2: he reveals that he thinks the camp has a killer.
Speaker 2: Annie implies that he knows who the killer is. But
Speaker 2: the next scene we see Angela and Paul playing doctor
Speaker 2: on the beach but kissing her sparks a flashback to
Speaker 2: Angela and her brother as kids watching their father get
Speaker 2: in his freak on with Lenny, And then you realize
Speaker 2: Lenny was the guy at the very beginning of the
Speaker 2: movie that was like oh no, when he got ran over.
Speaker 1: So anybody want to take this? What did y'all? Was this? Like?
Speaker 1: What the fuck? Not for me?
Speaker 4: Because like I said, I had kind of start seeing
Speaker 4: all the signs.
Speaker 1: You saw that her father was gay.
Speaker 2: How it's not that I saw that her father was
Speaker 2: gay before whatever reason, I just wasn't surprised when and
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm kind of with Spike.
Speaker 1: I think I.
Speaker 4: Think you might have mentioned queer before when it came
Speaker 4: to this movie. So when I saw it, I wasn't surprised.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it was.
Speaker 3: Okay, I was that shit happened. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: because I had no.
Speaker 4: I thought I I thought I missed.
Speaker 3: I was gonna rewind it because I'm like, damn, did
Speaker 3: I bet something in the beginning, like, wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, because man, he was. He was happy too.
Speaker 3: He was stroggling in there and ship like that, like
Speaker 3: man Carressno. I was like, but yeah, I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: what the hell? So now I'm starting to put some
Speaker 3: ship together and now I'm starting to wonder about some shit.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 3: And then the kid is like doing this ship right there,
Speaker 3: trying to touch Angela.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell? But yeah, I completely called
Speaker 1: me all.
Speaker 2: They were appointing at each other right just that we
Speaker 2: had that part.
Speaker 1: Who was no?
Speaker 3: I thought I thought he was he rick was pointing
Speaker 3: at her like Ricky Ricky.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought Ricky was.
Speaker 3: About to touch Angela and uh in a in a way,
Speaker 3: and that that's what created some sort of trauma as
Speaker 3: well that she was sort of being amusing. It was
Speaker 3: the Paul Paul, you know Ricky in the in the
Speaker 3: flashback scene that wasn't Ricky was concusing me as a brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, were doing like this. Yeah. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were pointing at each other.
Speaker 2: There was like a camera, it was like going around
Speaker 2: in the circle and they were in bed and they
Speaker 2: were just kind of like pointing at each other and.
Speaker 1: Just read the scene. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, it definitely caught me off guard because
Speaker 3: I was again thought, I was like, damn, this.
Speaker 1: Is a bold ass move for the eighties putting.
Speaker 3: In a slasher film and just dropped this in here
Speaker 3: Spike with no warning in the eighties bro sEH.
Speaker 5: I think I kind of known. I kind of knew
Speaker 5: some of it was coming because just like the explanation
Speaker 5: that Mike was given for it. But they, yeah, I
Speaker 5: did too, Ken like, well damn, what when did we
Speaker 5: see the context for this? There was no context, And
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, all right, I see what they're doing.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it wasn't surprising though, because it again at Howard,
Speaker 5: I had the scene where I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 5: think I know what this is going, so.
Speaker 2: I've never thought that this scene was necessary. It doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense. It serves no purpose other than, unfortunately, homophobia,
Speaker 2: because the film is basically implying that because Angela had
Speaker 2: a gay father, that's why she was crazy, that's why
Speaker 2: she killed people.
Speaker 3: So is that I thought, well, we'll get this. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was another reason.
Speaker 2: Well there is, there is, But they're saying like, there's
Speaker 2: there's a lot of homophobia and transphobia in this film,
Speaker 2: but this scene in particular with their father, it's just like,
Speaker 2: why why did you even put that in the movie.
Speaker 2: It serves no purpose other than to be like, well,
Speaker 2: she had issues with gender this whole time because look
Speaker 2: her father's day. Yeah, it's like, why did you do that?
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: Especially given how we got to where we did it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there was no real Yeah, yeah, I got you.
Speaker 2: She was exposed to homosexuality, so therefore she's gonna end
Speaker 2: up crazy. But Angela bugs out on Paul, runs off,
Speaker 2: and then she rejects him the next day where Paul's
Speaker 2: getting all upset, But while they're playing a game of
Speaker 2: Capture the Flag, her and Ricky catch Paul and Judy
Speaker 2: making out in the forest, Paul tries to apologize, but
Speaker 2: Angela wasn't having it. Judy and Meg then gang up
Speaker 2: on Angela and they throw her in the water after
Speaker 2: Angela begs them not to. Also, Ricky wasn't able to
Speaker 2: help because Meil had him hemmed up. So what did
Speaker 2: you take from this part? What was Mail had him
Speaker 2: him saying that he was the killer?
Speaker 1: Mel thought that Ricky was the killer.
Speaker 2: It was, yeah, which it does make sense because everybody
Speaker 2: that fucked with Ricky ended up dying. And I guess
Speaker 2: I can go ahead and say now, which we'll get
Speaker 2: to the actual killer. But there's been rumors for years
Speaker 2: that people say that it was both of them.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The reason that is is because anytime you see hands
Speaker 2: of the killer, they're masculine hands. People thought that was because, oh,
Speaker 2: they're trying to imply that, you know, because Angela is
Speaker 2: actually not you know that that's what that was there
Speaker 2: for me, that's not actually the case. The case is
Speaker 2: Angela's mother, the real life Angela's mother would not let
Speaker 2: her actually be involved in any of the killing scenes.
Speaker 1: So she told the.
Speaker 2: Director, Yeah, you can have my daughter in the film,
Speaker 2: but you can't show her killing anyone.
Speaker 1: Oh, interesting.
Speaker 2: So anytime there was an active killing they didn't want.
Speaker 2: Now what they ended up getting at the end, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like it was crazier.
Speaker 2: You're right, but yeah, that's why there's been like an
Speaker 2: ongoing talk of people being like, well, maybe it was
Speaker 2: both of them. It was Ricky killing some of them,
Speaker 2: and it was also Angela killing some of them.
Speaker 3: This was like one of the only times that I
Speaker 3: remember that we even saw the girls in like a
Speaker 3: bathing in a swimsuit or were there others? And I'm
Speaker 3: only pointing that out because all the boys were like,
Speaker 3: damn near nagget just.
Speaker 1: Wear so she she walked up.
Speaker 3: This was they were just mean for no reason facts,
Speaker 3: you know, and then throw her in there and everybody
Speaker 3: just kind of laughing and watching the kids throwing sand
Speaker 3: on her and stuff like that. She just eventually just
Speaker 3: became a puncher bat for the whole camp and Mail
Speaker 3: for and I think watching this scene, I was like, Mail,
Speaker 3: you see this happening, and not only that, you're gonna
Speaker 3: hold Ricky because anytime something happens to her, somebody dies.
Speaker 1: What's something's fucking happening now, right, So why don't you
Speaker 1: run your asses? Stop it? From happening, so nobody would
Speaker 1: die fi it made no sense for him to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: anybody anything else about this part?
Speaker 2: Now I grew away, can't say I took it as
Speaker 2: this was the same place. This is legit the same
Speaker 2: place where her dad and her brother died. So of
Speaker 2: course she would not want to be thrown into the water.
Speaker 2: It would make sense that she would be afraid of
Speaker 2: the water. So when they're trying to throw it in
Speaker 2: and she's freaking out, that's why.
Speaker 1: No, it didn't gonna make sense because she killed somebody.
Speaker 1: Why she was in the water.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, but you're right.
Speaker 1: We can say that was Ricky.
Speaker 2: No, that makes yeah, I never I never thought about
Speaker 2: that part.
Speaker 4: But I mean, she could be, like you said, just
Speaker 4: traumatized bout general.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe just switch into the killer mode. And
Speaker 1: I still don't make sense now it doesn't.
Speaker 2: It doesn't Why would she be so afraid of the
Speaker 2: water if you ass just swam So yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 2: really make a lot of sense. So maybe it was
Speaker 2: just the fact that that's exactly where they died.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Actually, well anyway, so Mel and Meg. Meg is the
Speaker 2: other counsel of the mean one that's always picking on Angela.
Speaker 2: They established they're gonna have a date that night, which
Speaker 2: also was just like, what what the fuck are we
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: Made no sense.
Speaker 2: If Mel was like an old but handsome dude, if
Speaker 2: it was like fucking Morgan Freeman out there, okay, but
Speaker 2: come on, man, there's no way Mel.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought there was, Mike. I thought they
Speaker 1: were about to play.
Speaker 2: It was gonna be a joke.
Speaker 1: I did too. Yeah, I first saw it, but I
Speaker 1: was just like, this is odd. They were very serious.
Speaker 2: But Mel actually doesn't make it to the date because
Speaker 2: while showering, she gets fucking gutted from the back. So
Speaker 2: what'd y'all think of this scene?
Speaker 1: No? Oh, I liked it. Typical slasher films.
Speaker 3: She's in the back, uh and stabbed her and then drywall. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, thinking about course cycle and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So but nah, yeah, I thought it was cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is part of the closest killed that was
Speaker 5: felt like another slash of the film.
Speaker 7: This was more traditional and all the rest of them. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I was like, gonna be mad about to get some
Speaker 7: young stuff. Yeah, Mike, it's part.
Speaker 2: What why.
Speaker 1: Stab you through the wall? And maybe sliced down the
Speaker 1: wall like you also a child.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, crazy, crazy that you have extra strength. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just like because I'm pulling my back off of it.
Speaker 2: Like I guess when I was younger, I didn't realize
Speaker 2: that it was through a Paul. I always thought it was
Speaker 2: stabbed through a shower.
Speaker 1: Curtain until y'all just said it. I still think it's
Speaker 1: a shower.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty I'm not sure that it's a wall. But
Speaker 2: when she's getting she was going like, ah, it looks
Speaker 2: like she's leaning up against the wall, but I think
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be she's getting stabbed through the shower curtain.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's getting stabbed through the wall, even
Speaker 1: if it's a shower. Curry, just one for he.
Speaker 2: Already already got her in the fucking spine, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just to fly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just too I had I had to Yeah,
Speaker 4: I had I had to do too many, too much
Speaker 4: suspense of the belief in this one.
Speaker 2: Sorry, y'all, No, that's that's completely fair. But Paul comes
Speaker 2: back around and he's able to convince Angela that he's sorry.
Speaker 2: Mel also ends up finding Meg in the bathroom a
Speaker 2: vow to take someone out, but uh, the killer. The
Speaker 2: killer pulls up on Judy and uh does some pretty.
Speaker 1: Fucked up ship to Judy.
Speaker 2: I don't know why they didn't just show it instead
Speaker 2: of this weird implication of what happened. What did y'all
Speaker 2: think of this scene with Julie and the and the
Speaker 2: and the uh the is it curling iron?
Speaker 1: Yeah, curly iron.
Speaker 2: Did anybody else actually pick up what was going on
Speaker 2: in this scene?
Speaker 3: I didn't know until after the movie was override. I
Speaker 3: thought I just saw it online. Oh Jesus, yeah, but
Speaker 3: I thought that was I said, that's a very interesting
Speaker 3: way to burn somebody. But I didn't realize how and
Speaker 3: what they were doing to them until that's what happened.
Speaker 3: They did not show it.
Speaker 1: They didn't show it. Shoved It's what I said.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, but I didn't know that's what they
Speaker 3: were doing. It changed that whole scene for me.
Speaker 2: I didn't either. You have to if you really pay
Speaker 2: attention to what's going on. She ties up the legs
Speaker 2: and then puts her on the bed or whatever, and
Speaker 2: then she grabs the hot iron and you see the
Speaker 2: hot iron going like this, and then the hands over
Speaker 2: here are doing this I was too.
Speaker 1: PERI busy paying attention to the hands going on, what
Speaker 1: else do you.
Speaker 2: Do with someone shoving a hot irons?
Speaker 1: Like Jesus, that's crazy. I'm like, this movie is silly
Speaker 1: as hell. Bro, it's ridiculous. I was like, they've been like,
Speaker 1: raise their hands. I'm not even gonna respond. I heard it.
Speaker 1: I tell them that's the daddy. If you heard the ship,
Speaker 1: just move on like it didn't happen. But I was thinking, like.
Speaker 2: They better not let their hands drop slow and they did.
Speaker 1: Of course they did right up, like they better not
Speaker 1: doing and they did it.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like damn because I was like,
Speaker 3: out of all the kids, like she got no barn
Speaker 3: with a hot iron. Yeah, first of it, We're like
Speaker 3: you're gonna suffocate this motherfucking then you got the hot
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1: That's more like it. But it wasn't until after.
Speaker 3: The movie was over and I read what I was like, Oh, ship,
Speaker 3: that's gruesome.
Speaker 2: This is one of the most shocking scenes in the film.
Speaker 1: It's like, why would you do that? Respect for that one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was crazy because she was an asshole? Is that what?
Speaker 1: It was? A hot ass over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, yeah, we only got a few more scenes
Speaker 2: left because is towards the end, and actually I think
Speaker 2: I'm leaving a part out. It's okay, Oh.
Speaker 1: I did have it. I just I skipped ahead.
Speaker 2: Eddie Eddie is the guy that took the kids out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is.
Speaker 2: The only scene in the film that I never really
Speaker 2: liked because it doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: So Eddie, Eddie is the guy that takes all the
Speaker 2: kids camping, not camping, what do you call it? Like,
Speaker 2: I guess this camping outside and he leaves to take
Speaker 2: one of the kids back to the camp, and when
Speaker 2: he comes back, all of the kids have been killed.
Speaker 2: The thing that didn't make any sense is all the
Speaker 2: other kills in this movie makes sense because they were
Speaker 2: they were it was killing people that had something to
Speaker 2: do with Angela and or Ricky. From what I can
Speaker 2: tell from all the times I've seen this film, those
Speaker 2: kids had nothing to do with Ricky or Angela. They
Speaker 2: were just kids that got taken out to go camping.
Speaker 2: So why would why would she or they go kill them?
Speaker 2: Weren't they the ones that threw sand on them?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Her is that it? I mean, I can't tell these
Speaker 2: little kids.
Speaker 3: Apart, even tell what that's what that was.
Speaker 1: It was the sleeping bag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but that's what I think it was. They
Speaker 3: were throwing because you throw sand.
Speaker 2: I remember the kids kicking sand on him and the
Speaker 2: other guys like, oh, you guys act like animals. Stop
Speaker 2: it cut it out over the Remember.
Speaker 5: I took it as if them being some other kids,
Speaker 5: it picked on them as well.
Speaker 1: That's what I take it is.
Speaker 2: But I feel like all the other ones we saw, like,
Speaker 2: I'm going with Ken's theory that those were the kids
Speaker 2: that were kicking sand on Angela after she got thrown
Speaker 2: in the water, because if it's not, then it doesn't
Speaker 2: really fit in with Angela's motive of you know, or
Speaker 2: Ricky's motive. All right, So this takes us to the
Speaker 2: final scene. Paul meets up with Angela on the beach,
Speaker 2: trying to get his little freak nasty on a few
Speaker 2: minutes later, they find the unconscious body of Ricky. Ricky
Speaker 2: was that's the part I missed? Yeah, Mel beats Mel
Speaker 2: beats Ricky until Ricky passes out because Mel thinks that
Speaker 2: Ricky is a killer. And then Mel, I guess, goes
Speaker 2: around the corner, and that's when he get shot in
Speaker 2: the neck with the arrow, which I've always thought this
Speaker 2: was pretty good for fucking nineteen eighty three. That was
Speaker 2: that was a good kill because he shoots mel in
Speaker 2: the neck while he's talking. But that also implies that
Speaker 2: that particular kill especially was not Ricky, even if you
Speaker 2: want to give the whole like, oh, Ricky was killing
Speaker 2: most of the people, he didn't do it in this moment.
Speaker 2: That had to be Angela.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So they find the unconscious body of Ricky,
Speaker 2: but back on the beach with Angela and Paul camp
Speaker 2: counselors Marie or no, that was a Marie was there?
Speaker 3: Her name Marie?
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Marie and Ronnie roll up on Angela
Speaker 2: and Paul them interrupting Angela leads to another flashback from Angela,
Speaker 2: and this is where Aunt Marie has forced the male
Speaker 2: victim in the accident to live as Angela. So, I
Speaker 2: think the little boy's name was Peter, Peter Peter.
Speaker 1: She no, no, we can't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah right now, I already have one of those. So yes,
Speaker 2: so Aunt Marie. Ohthough counsellor's name was Susie. Aunt Marie
Speaker 2: versus uh Peter to live as Angela, and then it
Speaker 2: pops back over the present day and we see Angela
Speaker 2: drop the head of Paul before standing up and revealing
Speaker 2: that she a penis spike. Were you like, damn, that
Speaker 2: was crazy? Or did your stomach star herd? Did you faint?
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I figured it out halfway through the movie due to
Speaker 5: a little bit what you said and then context clues,
Speaker 5: so it wouldn't. I was just wondering how they were
Speaker 5: going to do the reveal, and they did the reveal
Speaker 5: and I was like, okay, all right, got ya.
Speaker 2: It's cool. It was so so it wasn't shocking at
Speaker 2: all for you. No, just because I was looking for it. Damn, Yeah,
Speaker 2: well that sucks was shocking for you.
Speaker 1: It's still even though I knew it, still was shocking.
Speaker 1: The face that was more shocking than the beatings. The face.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening right now? Was she's
Speaker 1: just like? What was the funing? That was her supposed
Speaker 1: to look crazy?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: She was growling too. I don't know if you Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening? And it just stayed
Speaker 1: that way. I was really bless you.
Speaker 2: I was really just like I was more shocked by that.
Speaker 4: Like I said, even though even though I hadn't an
Speaker 4: idea that that's what was going to happen, it still
Speaker 4: was shocking.
Speaker 1: It's still was shocking. Yeah, it worked.
Speaker 3: The only thing that sort of tipped off from me
Speaker 3: was when they were running. They were walking in one
Speaker 3: room there was a poster like a movie poster, and
Speaker 3: they had boy and the rest of us cut off,
Speaker 3: cut off. I don't remember that, so like instead of
Speaker 3: it'stead a hint and I said, but.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm I'm went rod.
Speaker 3: I think it was still shocking, though I think they
Speaker 3: did a good job of delivering it. I understood given
Speaker 3: the time, how that would have fucked a lot of
Speaker 3: people love because you don't. I think they do a
Speaker 3: good job of hiding it. It was that poster with
Speaker 3: the boy and of course the male hands, but you
Speaker 3: just displayed the male hands. But if you didn't know that, yeah,
Speaker 3: and you saw the male hands later and I was like,
Speaker 3: it could have been Ricky or it could have been
Speaker 3: at this point Angela, you know, slash Peter. And that's
Speaker 3: when I was like, oh, it might be this way.
Speaker 3: But it still worked. The face, the growling and the hissing,
Speaker 3: all of that still worked for me, Like, I think
Speaker 3: it's gonna be one of those images that kind of
Speaker 3: stay stuck your head with the way that she made
Speaker 3: that face because it didn't make sense and the way
Speaker 3: they have it sitting on top of the head and
Speaker 3: stuff like that on the body.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn man. But and then earlier they.
Speaker 3: Kind of show like this was the first time that
Speaker 3: actually showed the killer when she went to kill Julie
Speaker 3: Judy in the doorway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the doorway and looked because that was Ricky in
Speaker 1: real life.
Speaker 2: That was actually the actor that plays Ricky in a Wig. Okay,
Speaker 2: because it had something to do with the deal that
Speaker 2: from what I understand, at least the deal that the
Speaker 2: director made with the mother, which is that you can't
Speaker 2: show Angela killing anybody, so they put Ricky in a week.
Speaker 3: I thought that was dope too, Mike, when I was
Speaker 3: reading up on it after the fact that they actually
Speaker 3: hired kid got real kids.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, but they weren't.
Speaker 2: They shouldn't have because there were child labor laws, so
Speaker 2: they could have gotten in trouble for acting. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: because that's why all of those old movies that you see,
Speaker 2: like you watched Friday the thirteenth, you rarely see an
Speaker 2: actual teenager. Usually it's a fucking whole ass adult trying
Speaker 2: to play a fucking eighteen year old or seven.
Speaker 1: You know that that applied to that that industry.
Speaker 2: But also like, this movie was so low budget. He
Speaker 2: didn't have the money to pay for these kind of things,
Speaker 2: so to get a bunch of kids, it's easier. And
Speaker 2: you know, half the people in the movie weren't actually
Speaker 2: actors what you could tell because it was so bad.
Speaker 2: But like all the paramedics, they weren't real actors. It
Speaker 2: was just like the movie was extremely low budget. But
Speaker 2: I'm with you and Rod. The ending, I wish Spike
Speaker 2: hand looked nothing up and I wish I hadn't said nothing.
Speaker 1: The ending is easily.
Speaker 2: One of the most shocking endings that I remember as
Speaker 2: a kid seeing that and being like what, I did
Speaker 2: not see any of that coming at all. I was
Speaker 2: just like, okay, you know, oh, Angela's the killer.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Wait what Angela's actually Peter And then wait, no, wait,
Speaker 2: Angela's standing up and she got a little a.
Speaker 1: Little wee weie. No part of me expected this.
Speaker 2: And when you're talking about the head on top of
Speaker 2: the body like that and it looked weird, that's because
Speaker 2: that's a mask, so that the body is actually that
Speaker 2: of an eighteen year old that they paid year old.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna suck you up again, watchna fuck you up again?
Speaker 2: Because the actor has never revealed his name, and I've always.
Speaker 1: Thought that was why is that why you're asking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always thought out because I didn't find out
Speaker 2: the eighteen year old part until years after, and.
Speaker 1: That fucked me up.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, that was an eighteen
Speaker 2: year old because I remember, even as a kid, just
Speaker 2: being shocked by it. But then when I got a
Speaker 2: little older, I was really just like, how did y'all
Speaker 2: get away with putting the pennis of a child on
Speaker 2: this movie?
Speaker 1: That's because it wasn't.
Speaker 2: That was some college student that they went and found
Speaker 2: and they probably gave him three hundred bucks to be
Speaker 2: in this movie, and they they probably told him like, yo,
Speaker 2: you don't have to show your face, We just need
Speaker 2: you to stand there neked with this wig on, with
Speaker 2: this mask on. So yeah, that fucked me up. When
Speaker 2: I was younger, I was like, wait, what I.
Speaker 1: Thought it was just prosthetic or something.
Speaker 2: No, it's really his little wiener because I thought it
Speaker 2: was her and they put just something there. I did
Speaker 2: too when I was young, when I was Yeah, I
Speaker 2: did too when I was young.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I thought that.
Speaker 2: Now, oh, because I'm not, they're not showing the kid
Speaker 2: like they're not kid for real. Yeah, So like they
Speaker 2: probably just put something there and put it on her
Speaker 2: or his body or whatever however you want to say.
Speaker 2: The body they were trying. They had to go out
Speaker 2: and find someone that was that had the body type
Speaker 2: of a young girl.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, and there's a reason why the director did
Speaker 2: not do anything after this until returned to sleep Away Camp,
Speaker 2: which was years and years later, and it was garbage.
Speaker 2: But nah, the ending is shocking. As a kid singing
Speaker 2: for the first time, I was just like, this is insane.
Speaker 2: None of this was what I was expecting. But then
Speaker 2: as a further adult, I do get why the movie
Speaker 2: gets a bad rap. You know, it is transphobic, it's homophobic.
Speaker 2: It's not cool. It is transphobic and homophobic.
Speaker 1: So it really kind of depends.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's definitely homophobic because the shit with
Speaker 2: the Dad made no sense and there was no reason
Speaker 2: for it to be in the movie at all. I
Speaker 2: thought they were trying to be progressive at the time.
Speaker 1: I don't think they were trying to be anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they were just throwing out I.
Speaker 3: Think they were just making a movie and tried to
Speaker 3: come up with a shaking ending.
Speaker 2: Yes, because the director has given interviews where he's like,
Speaker 2: I had the beginning of the movie planned out, and
Speaker 2: I had the end. The rest of it I just
Speaker 2: threw together. So the shit with the the Dad. He
Speaker 2: explained that Angela had problems with gender, and he was like,
Speaker 2: I mean, look, she witnessed her dad being gay, So
Speaker 2: it sounds like he's trying to imply that that was
Speaker 2: part of what was quote unquote wrong with Angela.
Speaker 3: But also you're being forced to be a boy against
Speaker 3: your will too.
Speaker 2: Yes, but remember that comes after the dad dies. But
Speaker 2: the director was like, well, she was already fucked up.
Speaker 2: Her dad was gay and she saw him being gay
Speaker 2: with it with Larry, so she was already fucked up.
Speaker 2: This just made her even more fucked up. When Peter
Speaker 2: died and you know or sorry, when Angela died and
Speaker 2: Marie made her become made him become Angela, or whatever
Speaker 2: however you want to fucking put it, y'all know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Yeah, but yeah, depending on who you're talking to,
Speaker 2: I think most of the consensus is that this movie
Speaker 2: is transphobic because you're using trans people as sort of
Speaker 2: the punchline me as a non transversion. I can just
Speaker 2: say that I enjoyed the movie. I don't understand it's
Speaker 2: fucked up. I'm not going to have a stance one
Speaker 2: way or the other in this one because I can
Speaker 2: see both sides, so I just stay out of that
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I did see some comments on Wikipedia about,
Speaker 3: you know, their feelings for the movie, and I've seen both.
Speaker 2: You know, so yeah, some transfer serious and nicon. Yeah
Speaker 2: they're like, I wish I could go around and killing
Speaker 2: everybody that fucking.
Speaker 3: Bullied be so you know, so yeah, I'm kind of
Speaker 3: so when it happened, I was thinking about today's standards,
Speaker 3: not saying that those standards didn't exist, but they don't
Speaker 3: exist as prevalent as they are today, So now you're
Speaker 3: kind of looking at things through those lens. So I'm
Speaker 3: wondering if he was just trying to be shocking, and
Speaker 3: that was it. Of course, you can start to analyze
Speaker 3: it through that, which is totally fine. But I was
Speaker 3: thinking about that, like, you're making this kid be someone
Speaker 3: that they didn't want to be, and therefore they're running
Speaker 3: around killing people that picked on them for being something
Speaker 3: that they didn't want to be. So there's a whole
Speaker 3: commentary and discussion around that that I'm sure people you
Speaker 3: know have had extensively. So I get it, y'all got it.
Speaker 3: I just wish this was the thought I was searching for.
Speaker 3: I just really wish when that happened that I was
Speaker 3: young when I watched this for the first time.
Speaker 1: I hate that I didn't have that experience.
Speaker 3: That would have been a hell of an experience to
Speaker 3: see that, But like, yo, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: I don't think you wanted that experience because for years,
Speaker 2: that was that was seared in my brain, was that
Speaker 2: face and that little weenie weenie weenie when ear that
Speaker 2: fuck me up as a kid because I'd never seen
Speaker 2: anything like that. We didn't know what trans was when
Speaker 2: I was ten years old. I had no idea and
Speaker 2: I don't even know if the guy knew what trans was.
Speaker 2: The guy just saw it. I mean, I think back then,
Speaker 2: in those days, it was just called cross dressing, I
Speaker 2: don't think, or transsexuals or whatever. Like none of us
Speaker 2: knew how this stuff worked and you know how to
Speaker 2: engage with it. So throwing that into a horror movie,
Speaker 2: I can understand, but I don't know. It kind of
Speaker 2: reminds me of that movie Skeleton Key. I think I
Speaker 2: remember that movie, and that was where, like I spoiler
Speaker 2: alert if you don't want to hear about Skeleton Key,
Speaker 2: jump away, jump forward about three minutes. But I think
Speaker 2: in Skeleton Key, the whole thing was wasn't there like
Speaker 2: one of them was black and didn't know she was
Speaker 2: black or some shit from I thinking of a different film.
Speaker 2: There was some film where the main person.
Speaker 3: Was trying to get it was the key to get
Speaker 3: into this place in the in the house, wasn't.
Speaker 2: It in like like like New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Or some shit. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure one of the like the one of
Speaker 2: the white people was actually a black person, because I
Speaker 2: was looking at this movie and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: what if the punchline or the twist was the person's black?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like you had a whole
Speaker 2: movie where the motherfucker looked like logic and Logic was
Speaker 2: killing people and at the very end it's revealed, oh, well,
Speaker 2: Logic is actually black, he's not white. Of course you're
Speaker 2: gonna then be like, okay, well is that why he
Speaker 2: was killing people because he's black?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I know, because you know, if you're
Speaker 3: watching this movie, you're a kid or whatever, then you
Speaker 3: know this could be sitting in your head that oh
Speaker 3: my god, trans people are killers.
Speaker 1: That was the that was the thought people trans people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, trans people are killers, you know,
Speaker 3: because they don't want Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I get it. I get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, like i'ma just that one, but yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, but nah, I enjoyed it. Man, you know,
Speaker 3: it's the old movie. I think it worked for the time.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's nice to see something that that face.
Speaker 3: I think I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that face. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that was cool. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 7: I enjoyed it, Like, don't even want to talking about this?
Speaker 1: All right? Well, anybody got any final thoughts were to
Speaker 1: wrap this up?
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting, this would be my last thing.
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting that this is the only
Speaker 4: time they showed something like this because they didn't show
Speaker 4: breasts or anything in this movie, which was kind of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't there because they were teens. Most of
Speaker 2: the actors that they hired were actually.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, Yeah, so I thought that was especially around
Speaker 4: this time because that was that was prevalent.
Speaker 1: Was the thing slashers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, so the whole time, I'm thinking it's
Speaker 4: gonna see some titties at some point seeing all short
Speaker 4: short you.
Speaker 2: Saw the t nudity was fucking Ronnie in the little
Speaker 2: teeny weeny little less shorts.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: But then you show this at the end, Like I was,
Speaker 2: just like, this movie is crazy. But yeah, well make
Speaker 2: sure y'all lead some comments. That's our thoughts for sleep
Speaker 2: Away Camp. Don't bother with two and three or return
Speaker 2: to sleep Away Camp. They're not good. They're not even
Speaker 2: like Camp be good. They're just like, this is just
Speaker 2: a stupid, basic gas slasher. The only thing that makes
Speaker 2: this not a basic gas slasher is the end. Everything
Speaker 2: else is pretty basic. But yeah, there you go leave
Speaker 2: your hate on Reddit because no one's gonna read that
Speaker 2: shit end. I'm just kidding, But yeah, thanks for listening,
Speaker 2: last ning thoughts, and we'll see y'll next time we
Speaker 2: out Beats