1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: This is track Side with Kirk Cavin and Kevin Lee 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan. 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: The Indianapolis five hundred, three hundred and fifty thousand people 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: salute the thirty three who have had their right to 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: contest the greatest spectacle in racing. 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: Flash Blacklin is good before we've even thrown the greedy Robertsport. 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: But we'll make the field of the green flash and 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: and we gotta. 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: Crash in the rod of the field. 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 4: N't go ways ready, I don't know. 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna handside and turn them. 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: A lot pot shot up three four, sometimes five one 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 3: Alexander Russie. Oh while it's five all over the park. 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 4: I mean that spin dey loop, the bottom lego Grego. 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: Right, it's fold loves a cat out of the bottle, 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: the ary tracks. 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 4: It is Boldside. I'm gon go harde five hundreds. 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: As twenty twenty five comes to a close, at least 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: for this show, why not revisit the one hundred ninth 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: Indianapolis five hundred and thy could get to. 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 4: The one hundred tenth just. 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: Over five months away in the twenty twenty six season. 23 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 3: Won't be long. It's seventy five days to Saint Pete 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: with testing starting again in just over three weeks, and 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: what still remains to be learned and will debate some 26 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: birding questions tonight. Hello, happy holidays, Welcome the track side 27 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: ninety three five one oh seven five. The Fan in Indianapolis, 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: landon Coons is at our new studios somewhere downtown. I'm 29 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: not sure where yet. I'll make a visit in the 30 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: near future once I see cure a key card. Kevin 31 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: Lee Kurk Cavin. I think I might be one of 32 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: the few that date back now. I'm three buildings in 33 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: with WIBC and the fan and all the radio stations, 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: so not many left. There are some though, I know 35 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 3: from ninety two ninety two North Meridian back in the 36 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: day in the late nineties. So we'll miss the worldwide 37 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 3: headquarters in the view of the world's largest Christmas tree. 38 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 3: But I lost my key card a month ago anyway, 39 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: and I couldn't get back in, so that's why we 40 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 3: had to move buildings. So I'll get a new key 41 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: card for the new place with Radio one and Urban one, 42 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: and we'll look forward to visiting that at some point 43 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: in the new year. A lot of things to get 44 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: to tonight, and some burning questions that you've come up with. Forrest, 45 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 3: Kurt and some listeners have come up some questions as well. 46 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 3: And I think I'm going to start with a Twitter 47 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: question because this is where I put in my notes 48 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: to start. We have one seed remaining, We've passed Halloween, 49 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: we've passed Thanksgiving. I think December fifteenth was mentioned as 50 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 3: a deadline for Dale corn Christmas was also mentioned, and 51 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: that is still in play for the final seats full 52 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 3: time in Indy Car for twenty twenty six. So I 53 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: will start with Sarah Morris twenty twenty sevens question is 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: there a deadline for Dale to announce his driver? 55 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 4: One? 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: Two when you suspect the announcement will come out? And 57 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: three who do you think will be in the seat 58 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: for Dale? 59 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: Well, I think the third one is actually the easier 60 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: one to answer. I mean, Dale's unpredictable with timing, so 61 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't begin to tell you when when if he's 62 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: going to meet the Christmas deadline, or whether it'll be 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: in January or February. I know that the real dead 64 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: the real deadline twenty seventh, maybe sixth or twenty seventh, Yes, 65 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: so that's the deadline. I suppose. You know, We've had 66 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: lots of thoughts and conversations about who we think could 67 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: be in there, and I do think the the option 68 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: of it's somebody we haven't thought of is probably the 69 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: leader in the clubhouse. It's probably somebody that that's not 70 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: been knocking on the doors or chatting, you know you 71 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: up at imsir races, or probably is somebody we haven't 72 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: talked about. 73 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 4: So I was out and about a little bit more left. 74 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: I left the grid a few times over the last 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: week and chatted with several drivers and some people. I 76 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 3: went to PRI for a couple of days, and I 77 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: had kind of moved past this a little bit. But 78 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: the prevailing opinion is still it's Roma g Rojean. So 79 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 3: here's what I would add to that. I think it 80 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: is Roma Grojean. But it's showed me the money. You know, 81 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: the answer is always money. If and what I think 82 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: and what was announced is that Todd Alts Companies are 83 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: primary partners for dale Coin racing with Blockchain and ask Roi, 84 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: and if that is still in play, and the budget 85 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: is what they hope for, and if the budget is 86 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: big enough, and if they are willing to sign off 87 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: on paying a salary to Rama, then that's the choice. 88 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: That's who I think they want. But the fact that 89 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: they haven't announced it yet there's obviously a hold up 90 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 3: because I know that's who. 91 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 4: Everybody is sat with. I'll add a secondary part to 92 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 4: that that maybe maybe could be an. 93 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 3: Issue, but I think that is the choice. But that's 94 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: an extra level of funding and he's unlikely bringing in 95 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 3: a So if that isn't it, then my next guess 96 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: is I have heard Connor Dally on this podcast say 97 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 3: that they've amasked a good amount of partners for next year, 98 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: so he could still be in play. 99 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 4: What about Jacob Babel? I know he's doing some sports 100 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 4: car racing, but there are no conflicts. 101 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of budget he needed to commit, 102 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: if any, for those sports car races, and how much 103 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 3: is left? Does Devil d Francesco still have budget and 104 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 3: does he want to race? He probably could amass a 105 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: decent amount of partners, so what are their goals? And 106 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 3: then going back to what you said, just as high 107 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: on the list is someone that you and I are 108 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: not familiar with, an F two, someone that finished fourth 109 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: or fifth or sixth and looked at it and I 110 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: heard this number out around three million is pretty common 111 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 3: the budget required in F two. A lot of times, 112 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: if you can bring three million to dale Coin Racing, 113 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: you might get the race the full season. 114 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 4: So at some point these F. 115 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: Two drivers are going to say, all right, am I 116 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: going to get to Formula one? No one made it 117 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: this year, right, correct? No one moved up. The champion, 118 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: did not move up. Second did not move up the second. 119 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: By the way, as an American Jack Crawford, they're all 120 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: reserve drivers. Some of them are paying to be res drivers. 121 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: So it is a very limited path. If you can 122 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: get an indy car seat, why would you not do that, 123 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: especially when you've looked at the list of F. 124 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 4: Two drivers that had. 125 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: Success here, like Christian Lungard, like san Antino Ferrucci was 126 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: basically an F three driver. I think he did a 127 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: little bit in F two. Dennis Hauger. You know, now 128 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: we're going to be seeing Mick Schumacher. Who else, cal 129 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: Marcus Armstrong, Calumilot all have been successful, and Schumacher is 130 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: the first one that's been a champion. Oh and Schwartzman, 131 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: who I should remember this. 132 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 4: I think he. 133 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: Maybe finished second. I don't think he won the championship. Yeah, 134 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: he was the F two runner up. He won an 135 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: F three championship. So that's still high on the list, 136 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: especially if they can bring some budget. And honestly, if 137 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 3: i'm dale Coin, if one of those drivers raised their 138 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: hand that you thought was good. And I've said this before, 139 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: Dale Well pays attention. He's not just looking at the stats. 140 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: He has a pretty good eye on what's going on 141 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: in Europe with talent for these kind of situations. 142 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 4: So I still give that a really good chance. 143 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: Here's also something to consider, and what we don't fully 144 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: know how strong is the partnership with Andretti with dale 145 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: Coin Racing. We know they're supplying Dennis Hager. Dennis Hager 146 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 3: is under contract I think in some fashion with Andretti Global, 147 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: and they're probably paying his salary and they may or 148 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: may not be paying some of the budget for that car. 149 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: It's not the same kind of technical partnership. From what 150 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 3: I understand, the engineers, including on Hager's car, are going 151 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: to be dale Coin employees, but I think there's going 152 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 3: to be some oversight, a little bit of sharing on 153 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: that car. Does it extend at all, does Andretti have 154 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 3: any say? Did Raman Grojean not sue Andretti Global a 155 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: year and a half ago, And just like some of 156 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: the other things, we never heard any resolution on I 157 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: never heard on that either. I don't know what happened. 158 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: Maybe it was announced that there was a settlement. Usually 159 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 3: that's how these things work out, is it's a settlement. 160 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: But is that a factor. I'm going to say probably not. 161 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: My guess is that Dale still has full control over 162 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: his second car and isn't going to allow anyone to 163 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: dictate that. But you know, if it's an either or 164 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: situation and you want to play nice with a group 165 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 3: that can help you. And by the way, it's also 166 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: possible this lawsuit is just business. You know, Maybe it's 167 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 3: not we hate each other. Sometimes contracts end and there's 168 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 3: a disagreement over that, and it's simply a business dispute. 169 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 3: But there's not any outright pure hatred and maybe everyone 170 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: all gets along. So just a few things to think 171 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: about that. But unfortunately I don't have a firm answer 172 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 3: on that front. 173 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either. It's sounds like Roman would be 174 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: their best choice, but somebody's got to pay the bills 175 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: and somebody's got to pay him. 176 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 4: Is it the best choice if you're Dale? 177 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: And I say this thinking very highly of Roman and 178 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: still wanting to see him have an opportunity. And by 179 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: the way, the best he ever was an IndyCar was 180 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: that time with Dale Coin Racing. But if there is 181 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: an option of someone who has one f two races 182 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: and brings you three million dollars, that would seem to 183 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: me to be a pretty easy decision with someone that's 184 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: in their early twenties compared to someone in their late thirties. 185 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 3: Then maybe the other side to that with Dale is 186 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: why do I care how old someone is, because if 187 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: they're any good, they're going to leave me anyway, he 188 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: probably has a better chance of getting multiple years out 189 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: of Roman or Jean than anyone that is in their 190 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: early twenties that's any good. 191 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: So I was basing that comment on the fact we 192 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: don't know who the other options are. But based on 193 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: the options you presented now, I could make a case 194 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: Connor Daly is a better argument for the Ovals, particularly Indianapolis. 195 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: But you know, I just think from from an experience standpoint, 196 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: from a we're going to be able to keep this guy. 197 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: Ramon's a great choice, yep, for them, for them, and 198 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: I think Connor. 199 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: Helps them certainly in the business department too, because he's 200 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 3: going to bring some budget. 201 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 4: He's going to be great on the ovals. 202 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 3: He's going to have a chance at Indy if they 203 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: get their five hundred program together. 204 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 4: It was bad, not good, bad last year. 205 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: Not good. 206 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, A Renas Vike is as good as it gets 207 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 4: it qualifying in Indy and he just barely made the race. 208 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: And then there are other cars, the only one that 209 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: did not make it, you know, which leads us to 210 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: the few five hundred seats and what's out there and available. 211 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: And I had this thought today and I purposely also 212 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 3: not reached out. Maybe I should reach out to Jacob 213 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: Abel and ask them what their plan is. But I 214 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: think it's more fun to just speculate and guess on 215 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 3: some things because they might tell me what they're interested 216 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: in or not. For one, I'd like to see Jacob 217 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: get another chance full time. But if you're Jacob Abel 218 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 3: and you have a fine out amount of budget that 219 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 3: you decide you can invest towards Jacob's IndyCar program, do 220 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 3: you do a full season with dale Coin or if 221 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: you could pay two million dollars. 222 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 4: To be in a really good Indy. 223 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: Five hundred program like with Chip Ganassi Racing, and I 224 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 3: suspect that is what it would take. I think some 225 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: teams will do an Indy five hundred C for one 226 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: point five. But my guess is at Ganassi that in 227 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 3: less it's some superstar that they think is going to 228 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: be bringing all kinds of attention and they can sell 229 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: sponsorship for I think it's minimum two million, and it 230 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: might be more than that. 231 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 4: But if you'd like to show. 232 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: That you can do this, would that be worth the investments? 233 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 3: And also, if I'm them, I'm not super excited about 234 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: taking the last seat that's available that's a third or 235 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 3: fourth car for. 236 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 4: Someone and run the risk of not making the race again. 237 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: So my advice to young drivers who have had difficult 238 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: first seasons, which Jacob clearly did, is I would take 239 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: the indie seat, the best indie seat I could get, 240 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: if I could get a good indie seat. And the 241 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: reason I say that is, let's look at it's not 242 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: really apples and apples, but Stingray Robs had three really 243 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: challenging seasons and people are wondering if he's got it. 244 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: If he's got it, he's been with three different teams, 245 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: with three different engineers. And you know, if Jacob goes 246 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: back to dale Coin and struggles just like he did 247 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, he's done. Nobody's going to hire him. 248 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: So go do an Indy five hundred seat properly and 249 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: if you're if you're worth your assault, you'll show that. 250 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: I mean, doesn't necessarily have to be a top ten finish, 251 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: if you just show well. I just think that that 252 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: would be a better way to go than repeating the 253 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: struggles you had at Coin and getting labeled or pegged 254 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: as the problem, because. 255 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: It certainly if it was a repeat that's easy. Here's 256 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: the conundrum. I think dale Coin racing will be better 257 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: this year, and I think Jacob Abel in that second 258 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: seat would do significantly better. It's a little bit of 259 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: an uncertain at Indy, but they have Michael Cannon back, 260 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: so I think they're going to be better at Indy 261 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: in twenty two twenty six. 262 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 4: You're putting all your eggs and get in basket. 263 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: And here's the other side is that somebody will say, oh, 264 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: you're in a Ganassi car. You're in a Ganassi car. 265 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: Of course you're going to be good. A lot of 266 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: it depends on the money. You know, if it was 267 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: all right, you can run the full season for the 268 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: same amount of money, which one do you take? I 269 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 3: think I do take the full season to show what 270 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 3: I can do. And what you need is you need 271 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: a few moments. You know, you need a top ten 272 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: at some point throughout the season, and if you have 273 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: seventeen of those chances compared to one, that might be 274 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: enough to get you through to the next year. But 275 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: it's it's a great debate, and I don't know what 276 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: the right answer is. 277 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either. It's just I fear that, you know, 278 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: if he's twenty fourth, twenty fifth and points again, even 279 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: if he has a couple of moments. I mean last 280 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: year a really good moment, he only had a couple, 281 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: and it didn't It didn't translate into well, we need 282 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: somebody needs to take a shot at Jacob Able. 283 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: So you only say you finish ken than the NY 284 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: five hundred. Why are other teams going to think you're 285 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: going to be better at road courses if you have 286 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: not for twenty twenty seven. 287 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 4: If you have not had gets to show that I 288 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: get it. 289 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: It's a there's no easy answer. 290 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: It's now the easy answer becomes if you've decided, all right, 291 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: there's so few seats available, it's. 292 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 4: Just not likely. 293 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: So we're going to embark on sportscar racing. But it's 294 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: good for business to be involved in the NDY five 295 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: hundred because we can find partners to share that cost. 296 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: That's where I think the ND five hundred makes a 297 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: lot more sense. And you can make a name for 298 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: yourself by having a good day and having a two 299 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: to three week program. So I say all this having 300 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 3: no idea of Cannassie wants to run a fourth car. 301 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: I think they probably would in the right circumstances. But 302 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: I just remember thinking the same thing last year. If 303 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 3: the coin seat wasn't available, he had tested Gadassi car, 304 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 3: they had a seat available, Might that be an option 305 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 3: for them? And I think Schip explored it last year 306 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 3: and didn't find the right dollar amount, didn't find the 307 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: right driver to decide he wanted to do that. All 308 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 3: the same categories could apply for a devilind Francesco too. 309 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 3: Does he explore trying to do full time? Does he 310 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 3: move on to sports car racing or a little combination 311 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: of both. My friend Town's Bell made a pretty nice 312 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 3: career of doing full time sports car racing and the 313 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: one race that gets the most attention in Indy Car 314 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: the Indy five hundred, and he did that for a decade, 315 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 3: and it can be done, and it can be done well. 316 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: Another random thought, and this will take us to Prema. 317 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 3: You know, next question would be, you know, are they 318 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: going to be there? No idea. I'm hearing chatter on 319 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 3: this if they go away, and this has been talked 320 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 3: about for the last year. Many owners want firm grid 321 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 3: limits implied, and there's been the thought that we want 322 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 3: to make it harder to get in, We want to 323 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 3: just condense a little bit. But they also want their 324 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 3: charters to have more value, and as long as somebody 325 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 3: can show up and make the races, then it's going 326 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 3: to be hard to sell their charter should they want 327 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 3: to do that, especially if there are twenty five cars 328 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: and two open spots where anyone can simply start their 329 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: own team and ramp up. So that's been in discussion. 330 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: There's also been some chatter if Prema goes away and 331 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 3: we have twenty five and that rule is not enacted, immediately, 332 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: and there's still twenty seven spots available for every race 333 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: other than the five hundred, then some teams I be 334 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: open to running an extra car, either for select events 335 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: or maybe in the right circumstance, someone might throw out 336 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 3: an extra car. 337 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: You know. 338 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: One theory I had last. 339 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 3: Year wondering what Penske was planning on doing with will 340 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 3: Power when they made him an offer. Was there a 341 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 3: plan a primo went away to just run four cars 342 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 3: for the year. 343 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 4: Don't know. 344 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 3: That's one of my unanswered mystery questions, which we talked 345 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 3: about last week. So that's out there too, you know. 346 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 3: And there are a few drivers that have some budget 347 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 3: out there. If connor Day doesn't end up in the 348 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: coin seat and decide he wants to do more than 349 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: the and five hundred, does he talk to other teams 350 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 3: of Prema goes away and say, hey, let's do something 351 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: a little more significant five hundred and maybe full season, 352 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 3: maybe something else. So keep an eye on those kind 353 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 3: of things. And I'm not sure how I feel about 354 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 3: limiting it to twenty five and making it being only 355 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: for a charter. I understand from the business standpoint, and 356 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: if I own the team, I'd be all for that too, 357 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: because I want to be able to when I'm done 358 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 3: sell at a major profit and get my investment back. 359 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: But that's going to really limit the chances for teams 360 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 3: like Michael Shank when he came on board to dip 361 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: their toes in the water and build up towards something. 362 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 3: But I'm less worried about the owners because they could 363 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 3: still get in by doing what Ted Geloff did. I 364 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 3: think that's what the industry is saying, Well, no, if 365 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 3: you don't need to go buy the equipment, just invest 366 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: in the team, become a co owner, and then eventually 367 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 3: you can buy someone out, either the team that you're with, 368 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 3: or you could shift gears and buy someone else out 369 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: when that becomes available. I'm more concerned about the drivers. 370 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 4: How do we. 371 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 3: See the one off chances that often build into something 372 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 3: if they are nothing but full time seats available. 373 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 4: And I wonder. 374 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 3: We did have two that have advanced from Indie Next 375 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: this year, but I don't see there ever being more 376 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 3: than two. And if it's two or nothing, you know, 377 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: in past years, we've seen a lot of drivers get 378 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 3: a chance to do one, two, three races and oftentimes 379 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 3: it doesn't pan out. But sometimes it does. Sometimes there's 380 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: Paul Tracy does a race with dale Coin and that 381 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: leads to an invitation from Roger Penske. Rick Meher started 382 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 3: out in a part time situation. We would not have 383 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: seen Colton, Hurda and poddo award in extra seats at 384 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 3: the end of twenty eighteen, so that I think would 385 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 3: be a little bit of a detriments if it is 386 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 3: locked in. So maybe it can just be all right. 387 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: If you want to add an extra car, you must 388 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 3: be part of a chartered team. That might be the 389 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: compromise there. If you're Andretti and there are twenty five 390 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: cars and you have three charters, you would have add 391 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 3: a non chartered car for an events first come, first 392 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: serve until we get to twenty seven. 393 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: Your example that's playing out is Formula one. I mean 394 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: they have a fixed number of seats and there are 395 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: no f twos moving up. I mean they're just isn't 396 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: place for them. So you know, there's a prime example 397 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: of how that can backfire. 398 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 3: I still would love to see the opportunity like back 399 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 3: in the day when David Hobbs got to do it 400 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: one off, when they would put American drivers in the 401 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: American races. Why is Poto Award not running in the 402 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 3: Mexican Grand Prix in Formula one? That seems like that 403 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 3: would be good for business. There are the things I've. 404 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 4: Not thought of though that you know they're they're. 405 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 3: Doing pretty well, so I'm not going to tell them 406 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 3: that they're wrong on that front. NASCAR trial, maybe we'll 407 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 3: spend a moment on that. Does it have any impact 408 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: on our world? I think most are familiar with. You know, 409 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 3: it was settled between twenty three to eleven racing Denny 410 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: Hamlin and Michael Jordan's team and front Row Motorsports settled 411 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: right before Roger Penske was going to need to testify. 412 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 3: So that worked out pretty well because I'm going to 413 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: guess Roger Penske did not want to testify and my 414 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: answer and all of this, and by the way, it 415 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 3: seems clearly like the teams won, so they have permanent charters. 416 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 3: The NASCAR was saying they couldn't make them permanent because 417 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 3: they didn't know what the future television rights deals were 418 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 3: going to look like. 419 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 4: I get that. 420 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 3: Seems like it could have been based on a percentage 421 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 3: of the television revenue, which I'm assuming is what it 422 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 3: is going to be moving forward. And then there's some 423 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 3: other financial things that have not been disclosed and maybe 424 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: not even finalized at this point. But what I came 425 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 3: through this is unless this was offered prior to Jordan 426 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 3: and company and rejected, NASCAR aired mightily by going through 427 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: all of this process. Just have to cave because all 428 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 3: of their dirty laundry has now aired, and it's going 429 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 3: to be hard for them to regain some relationships and 430 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: some trust with some of the people in their garage. 431 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, relationships can be mended, but I think you know, 432 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: once you see behind the curtain, then you're in leverage 433 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: and you're negotiating ability in some forms take on a 434 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: new look. I don't know why it took nine days 435 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: of trial. I think that's what it was to get 436 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: to it. Just settle. I mean, I think these things 437 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: usually settled before the trial starts so that you don't 438 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: have to go through that. That was excruciating for Jim Franz, 439 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: a man. You know, I've had a chance to know, 440 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: and I respect his stance on this, but my goodness, 441 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: if you were going to basically give them what they 442 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: asked for in the first place, why didn't you do 443 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: it day one. 444 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 3: So the only thing they saved was Roger Penske on 445 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: the stand. And who else was Kenrick going to have 446 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 3: to testify? There were a couple of prominent owners and 447 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 3: I don't dismiss that as a possibility that because the 448 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 3: problem with Roger would be he's not just there as 449 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: a NASCAR team owner. They were going to ask him 450 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 3: about the financials of IndyCar. 451 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: And the speedway and everything. 452 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: Yes, and he doesn't want that out there. No one does. 453 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 3: And we now know I don't know we know everything, 454 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: but we know an awful lot about the financials of NASCAR, 455 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: which takes away a little bit of your neotiating power 456 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 3: in these kind of deals and the costs of everything, 457 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 3: so just baffling and charter prices I hear basically doubled. 458 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: So that's something out of that. So that's been good. 459 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 3: Does that impact IndyCar, Well, if they kind of lock 460 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: in charters and make it so you must have one 461 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 3: to compete, probably will have a little bit of an 462 00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: impact there. New IndyCar officiating system was announced last week. 463 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: This has been talked about for a little while. New 464 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: independent not for profit organization has been established and will 465 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 3: be governed by a three person independent officiating board. 466 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 4: I think I like this idea. 467 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 3: Marshall Pruet at Racer listed some of the possibilities. Steve Horn, 468 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: Derek Walker, Chris Barruby from Chevrolet, Levi Jones recent Indie 469 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: Next director, Art Saint Cyr and Ted Klaus from HBD 470 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 3: all have connections, all have relationships in the paddock. The 471 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 3: three people they chose may have some relationships but not 472 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 3: really but they know motorsport ray Evernham, raj Naire, longtime 473 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 3: Ford executive, and Ronan Morgan from the FIA. So from 474 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 3: that standpoint, I think that makes sense that there are 475 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 3: no pre conceived relationships or less likely to be some. 476 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 3: What else do you take from this? What else miss there? 477 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: The team owners? Let's let's back up just for a second. 478 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 3: The team owners were given a list of they It 479 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 3: was narrowed down I believe to twelve. Let's pick a number. 480 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 3: Maybe it was fifteen, it doesn't really matter. They were 481 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: given a list to choose from, and the team owners 482 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: went through a voting process each team owner depending on 483 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: how many cars you had. You know, it isn't just okay, 484 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 3: there are eleven team owners. Everybody gets one vote. Now, 485 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 3: if you have a three car team, the way I 486 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 3: understand it, you got you got three votes, and if 487 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 3: you had a two car team, you get to anyway, 488 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 3: put the votes together. 489 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: They went through a couple of rounds and they came 490 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: up with three three names or two names the two 491 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: that Ray Evernham and the Ford executive that most people 492 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: you know wouldn't have a little connection to, or most 493 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: of our listeners wouldn't. And then the FIA get got 494 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: the third seat. So the FII FIA is represented, which is, 495 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, give some of a globe perspective, and then 496 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: the three of those will comprise the board, and the 497 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: board then will hire the race director, could be Kyle Novak, 498 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: could be somebody else that still has not been you know, 499 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: decided at least announced, I guess is a better way 500 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: of putting it. So it's important to know that the 501 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: team owners voted on these these board representation, this board representation, 502 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: and so it wasn't you know, Chip Ganassi deciding which 503 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: three he wants Mike Hull on the board and it's 504 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: going to be you know, a Penske executive, and you know, 505 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: there was three people that all the team owners voted 506 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: for or two. Excuse me, because the FI took the 507 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: got the third seat on the board. So anyway, we'll 508 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: see how it goes. 509 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: You know. 510 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: The thing for me is I just this is always 511 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: it's a perception issue for most people you know who 512 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, Who's the reason Penske Entertainment needed to distance 513 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: itself from the officiating decisions, so that preferential treatment to 514 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: one organization or against another organization, or however you want 515 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: to look at it, you know, trying to remove that. 516 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: But perception is an individual thing. I mean, your your 517 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: perception of how this looks might be different than mine. 518 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: Go through one hundred people might be different all the 519 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: way through. So it's challenging to know how people receive this. 520 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: We're going to have to see a moment that happens 521 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: on the racetrack, you know, and then it has to 522 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: be adjudicated and we'll see how it goes. And if 523 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: people like people's perception is that it was a fair process, 524 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: then it was a successful endeavor. 525 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 3: So Indy car is working a bit with the FIA. 526 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 3: Maybe no coincidence that the licensing points system and the 527 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: requirements to get a super license changed announced just about 528 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 3: the same time. 529 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 4: So what this now means is that. 530 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 3: It's still forty points, which grant you a super license 531 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 3: if you win the IndyCar Championship and they bumped up 532 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: the points beyond that. But if you finished second in IndyCar, 533 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: if that was your rookie year, you still don't have 534 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 3: a super license, unless maybe you won the Indy Next 535 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: Championship the year before and some other things. But top 536 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 3: three in F two still get forty points, and I 537 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 3: think fourth in F two is thirty, the same as 538 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: second in IndyCar. And what this would have done is 539 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: it would have I think it would have probably made 540 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 3: Colton Hurta eligible when he was being courted by Alpha 541 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 3: tore in twenty three, and it would have basically made 542 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: him eligible for this year. 543 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 4: He would have had thirty. 544 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 3: Nine, and then they could have done a free practice 545 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 3: one at some point at the end of this season 546 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: to get him to the forty. But other than that, 547 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 3: I kind of think this is mah. I think it's 548 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: it's also kind of a nothing burger. I'm not sure 549 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 3: what it does for Indy Car other than make it 550 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 3: easier for F one to take their drivers. It does 551 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 3: help a little bit with the lack of respect or 552 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 3: the perception, but this was done because it's good for 553 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: Formula One. They want to strengthen their hold on America, 554 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 3: so this gives them the opportunity. If there's someone in 555 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: America that they want, they can go grab them and 556 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: don't have to worry or have a better chance of 557 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: getting them and making sure they have the super license points. 558 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 4: If someone wants Poto Award, I don't. 559 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: Think he does have one, So the ones that have 560 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 3: one are Polo Dixon, Potto McLaughlin that's the only drive. 561 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 3: Kyle kirk wo but does not have one. So this 562 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: will increase those chances. If someone says we want Kyle 563 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 3: Kirkwood or whoever else, they can go snatch them. 564 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: Well, earlier in this conversation, about fifteen minutes ago, you 565 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: were siding with the drivers on a on a separate issue. 566 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: If kym Kirkwood or Pod Award or any other driver 567 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: in the Indy car Paddock wants to go to Formula one, 568 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm supportive. I get it. It may not be good 569 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: for a business, it may not be good for our business, 570 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: but I'm for the drivers too. And if Alex Pulow 571 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: indeed wants to go to Indy five hundred. Why should 572 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: the point system keep him from from going. If he 573 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: wants to get hired, go great. That's his business decision. 574 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: That's that's how I feel. I mean, it's not it's 575 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: not good for this sport. I would like to see 576 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 1: him stay. But the Colton Hurda has been eager and 577 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: willing to sign a Formula One deal, and this silly 578 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: point system is has prohibited him from doing it. That's 579 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: what's silly about the whole thing. If Colton wants to 580 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: do it, great, I'm all for it. I support Colton. 581 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: He's a good young man. He's a great race card driver, 582 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: and if he wants to go run Formula One, have 583 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: at it. 584 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 3: I think he's going to be better prepared doing it. 585 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 3: You're n F two, but probably he probably is. He 586 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: probably with a brand new team next year as a 587 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 3: brand new driver. I cannot see that going well. I 588 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: think it maybe could have gone okay if he would 589 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: have gone to Alfati with a more established team in 590 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, then then he would have had a 591 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 3: chance to compete a little more straight up, I guess 592 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 3: you're always still going to be based with compaired with 593 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 3: your teammate, but say his teammate with Sergio Perez. That's 594 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 3: going to be hard to match Sergio Perez when you 595 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 3: are rookie. And if that's how everything is based. He 596 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 3: did his first test in an F two card. I 597 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 3: wouldn't worry too much about the times. I think he's 598 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 3: a run fifteenth out of twenty, but that's the first time. 599 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 3: We'll see where he goes. But it comes back to 600 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 3: this is not going to be easy. This is not 601 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 3: going to be easy for him to be in the 602 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 3: top five of F two. I think that will be 603 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 3: massively impressive if he can do. 604 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 4: Something like that. 605 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 3: All Right, we'll get to your tweets and we're going 606 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 3: to try to save some time for burning questions. 607 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 4: Next on track side. 608 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 5: How this is Scott Dixon and you're listening to trackside 609 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 5: on ninety three to five and one I seven five 610 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 5: the fan okay, rapid fire. Through a few Twitter questions, 611 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 5: McKenzie says, how do you think will Power will do 612 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 5: championship wise? I honestly think we'll see will contending for 613 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 5: the top five and things go right. 614 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 4: He could be battling Polo. 615 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: So one of my burning questions would be, uh, Power 616 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: versus Malucas and the point standings next year. Who you 617 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: got who scores more points points? Is it or Power 618 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: or is it Melucas? It's Power, I think so too. 619 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting it's an interesting head to head. 620 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: We'll have to see this next question will continue that. 621 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: Dan Baker says, over under one point five the number 622 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: of Racist Power wins in twenty six. I'll take the 623 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: over question. I'll take the over. I think he wins too. 624 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 3: I I think he's going to do really well. Winning 625 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 3: two races is hard. I'm going to say the under, 626 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 3: but I'm going to say he's still fifth or better 627 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 3: in the championship by winning one race. I think will 628 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 3: Power won the championship by winning. I think he won 629 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 3: two races that year. Did he win one? I think 630 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 3: he won one? 631 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 632 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 3: I think will Power is all about consistency. My point being, 633 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 3: I think he can win one race and still have 634 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 3: a great season this year. 635 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 4: So a great Aeni meeni miney mo. 636 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 3: I will take one saying I still think will is 637 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 3: going to be top five in the championship. 638 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: The only reason I can test the top five is 639 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: you start naming names, and it's pretty tough. It's pretty 640 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: tough to stop at four. You know, you got to 641 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: know Alex Polo is going to be in there. You know, 642 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: Poto Awards going to contend. You know, Scott Dixon is 643 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: going to contend. You know, Joseph Neugarten is not going 644 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: to have He's not going to be twelve like he 645 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: was this year. You know, McLaughlin, Luinguard, Kirkwood. I mean, 646 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, you think it gets late early, he gets 647 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: you get to five pretty quickly. 648 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 4: Yep, fair enough. 649 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 3: What are the odds, Jason Lee Burke ass what are 650 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 3: the odds New Garden resigns with Team Penske. 651 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: You know, it depends on how the first half of 652 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: the season goes. If I mean he did seem genuinely 653 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: rejuvenated by winning the last race the season, we'll see 654 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: them all. But if he comes out and he's he's 655 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: back to what we've expected, and the Team Penske has 656 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: some time during the offseason, I think the best thing 657 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: that they've had is a few months now to regroup. 658 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: You know that they had a massive turnover in May. 659 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: They never had a chance to regroup, and having a 660 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: few months where they're not racing, you know, build some relationships, 661 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: understand roles, they've repositioned some people. Maybe it just feels, 662 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: you know, with Joseph and Team Penske moving forward, I 663 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: think for Joseph it's going to be does this feel 664 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: like the place to be? And it has nothing to 665 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,959 Speaker 1: do with you know, does he win the first race 666 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: or anything. I think just does he feel does he 667 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 1: feel like he's a part of it. I think that's 668 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: how Joseph is going to approach it. I think it's 669 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: two parts. I think it's that and results. I think it's. 670 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 3: One of the fascinating parts of twenty twenty six. What 671 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 3: will Team Penske be? Can they recover from whatever it was? Ninth, eleventh, 672 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 3: and twelfth and it took a win? What did new 673 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 3: Garden finish twelfth? But he was eighteenth or something like 674 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 3: that with a couple of races to go, so we 675 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 3: know they're not that. But do they get back to 676 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: having all three cars in the top six or at 677 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 3: least the top the two veteran drivers in the top 678 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 3: five or is this still going to be a process. 679 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 3: We still did not know who is engineering the cars. 680 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: If I would have told you that both Meyer Shank 681 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: Racing to your point earlier in the first segment about 682 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: Meyer Shank building and building and building, both Meyer Shank 683 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: cars finished ahead of all three Penske cars in the standings. 684 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: That's unbelievable, Paul jay Ingram fifty six. As wife's retired, 685 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: So now we can travel. Is there an official IndyCar 686 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: travel club like baseball teams have that has lodging and 687 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: other premiums and or planned gatherings for fellow travelers not 688 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: local to each track. I don't. 689 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 4: I try Indycarnation. Yeah, they offer. 690 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: I don't know of anything, but I think that'd be 691 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: a good business to be in. Maybe maybe you should 692 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: put that on your list top five places to go 693 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: and you can be the travel director. 694 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,959 Speaker 4: Oh no, I've got enough. 695 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 3: I do know that there are some flick the Midwest trips. Yes, 696 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 3: there are some difference, Like Sports Entertainment Travel organizes a 697 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 3: few around the Midwest, but they're not going to. 698 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 4: Do I don't think they do all of them. 699 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 3: I would try Indcarnation, and I would think that that 700 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 3: might be just kind of a community where they might 701 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 3: share some ideas. Hey, this is where a lot of 702 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 3: people stay and go. From that standpoints Austin Taylor asked 703 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 3: any idea what Sebastian Weldingen is doing in twenty twenty six. 704 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 3: I do not, but even if I did, I wouldn't 705 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 3: say because they haven't announced it yet. I'm not really 706 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 3: in the business of scooping junior level drivers and their plans. 707 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 3: I've not seen his mom in a few months, and 708 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 3: we often chat as racing parents. I would think that 709 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 3: they'd like to continue to try Europe. He had some 710 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 3: success in Italian F four last year, and now that 711 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 3: you know they're supported by Gamebridge and Dan Towers's. 712 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 4: Company, that they might like to continue that go. 713 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 3: So maybe something like what you to be British F three, 714 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 3: which is GB three, or maybe British F four, something 715 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 3: along those lines. So he's not I've not seen him 716 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 3: testing over here in USF so my guess is they're 717 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 3: still exploring doing another year in Europe and seeing how 718 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 3: that goes. Lynn Underscore IndyCar has some IndyCar Haiku twenty 719 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 3: twenty five. The Year Polo twenty six Penske celebrating sixty 720 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 3: years in racing. Polo will spoil the party. Merry Christmas, 721 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 3: have a great holiday, and real question is how surprised 722 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 3: were you to see the Sonoco announcement last Friday? Was 723 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 3: cgr A nice looking car, right, Lynn? We double that 724 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 3: that's a great looking car. 725 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, great looking car. And it's the first time they've 726 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: been a full season sponsor since seventy three and it 727 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: looks great. And Kiffin Simpson's progress is one of the real, 728 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: real pleasant I don't want to call it a surprise. 729 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the surprise is that he's done 730 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: this as quickly as he has, but he is if 731 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: he takes another jump like that in twenty six, you'll 732 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: be really viable in twenty six twenty seven. 733 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 3: I think the Simpson family owns a lot of gas 734 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 3: stations at convenience stores, so that might have been a 735 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 3: nice connection to help make that happen. And it's good 736 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 3: business to business. That's how that works. That's how the 737 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,760 Speaker 3: investment pays off to where the family is no longer investing. 738 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 3: And Kiffin did his job by being relevant on the 739 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 3: racetrack last year. Andrew Greenan writes, is this a hint 740 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 3: from racer dot com of what the new car could 741 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 3: look like? 742 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 2: So? 743 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 3: Marshall Prude has written a couple of stories based on 744 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 3: IndyCar twenty twenty eight, and he shows the graphic here 745 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 3: and you can find that as well. The picture I 746 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 3: see doesn't look that much different than the new car. 747 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 3: My guess is no, that that's just an image. I 748 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 3: think I've had people tell me they've seen projected images and. 749 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 4: They like the look. But I don't think it's going 750 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 4: to be revolutionary. But it could be wrong. 751 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 3: I believe I read somewhere Doug Bowl said we may 752 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 3: see images. Maybe that's something we see around the start 753 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 3: of the season. 754 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: We do. We're talking spring now. Yeah, I think that's 755 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,720 Speaker 1: what Doug has said. But I don't think that image 756 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: is representative yet. 757 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think nothing's out there. I've not seen 758 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 3: anything like that. All Right, we ran out of time 759 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 3: for birding questions. But the good thing is bad, then 760 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 3: good Thing season doesn't start at our next show, so 761 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 3: we will still start this in twenty twenty six with 762 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 3: these burning questions that you came up, which what I 763 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 3: thought were very interesting to debate. I'm going to do 764 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 3: some maths how much time we have left in our 765 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 3: final segment and what we missed. Otherwise, Kurt, have a 766 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 3: good Christmas, good holiday, and we'll see you in twenty 767 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 3: twenty six. 768 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: It'll be great, can't wait? 769 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 4: All right, stay with us, we'll wrap it up and more. 770 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 4: Next on Trackside, Hi. 771 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 5: This is Graham ray Hall and you're listening to Trackside 772 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 5: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the fan. 773 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 3: All right, final segment and what we missed We got 774 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,959 Speaker 3: confirmation that Connor Zilich will be in the Rolex twenty four, 775 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 3: the NASCAR star who can drive just about anything. I 776 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 3: suspect he just didn't have the licensing filled out as 777 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 3: why he didn't come out on the original ms of 778 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 3: Rolex twenty four lists last week. That might be the 779 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 3: reason why you don't see James Hinchcliffe's name on that 780 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 3: list jet But he's already been confirmed by the team 781 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 3: to run with FAF Motorsports and the number nine again. 782 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 3: And Zilich will be in the Action Express Cadillact the 783 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 3: number thirty one car. Remember former IndyCar driver Matteas laced 784 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 3: really good in Indie lights and had some success with 785 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,439 Speaker 3: AJ Foyd Racing at a time when they just really 786 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 3: weren't having a whole lot really talented driver. He's been 787 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 3: doing a lot of coaching. I've seen him around. I 788 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 3: actually have a run into him in a while, but 789 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 3: I saw he was confirmed today in a Michelin pilot 790 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,240 Speaker 3: full season seat in a Porsche for twenty twenty six, 791 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,919 Speaker 3: and I forgot to mention this last week. Our friend 792 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 3: Casey Kohler, who's been on the show before. He's been 793 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 3: at Raceway Park and also working with NHRA, is the 794 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 3: vice president of Track Managements for NHRRA. He is now 795 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 3: the president and CEO of U SAX. So congrats to 796 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 3: Casey that starts on January first. He worked at IndyCar 797 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 3: for a while in marketing and back in the day. 798 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 3: I know we've had him on the show in that 799 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 3: role and also had him on the show in his 800 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 3: role with IRP. Kevin Miller, who has been the USAC 801 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 3: president since seven steps into a new role as the 802 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 3: president of ACUS and FIA, so congrats to him as well. 803 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 3: That's it for us. Thank you again for tolerating us 804 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 3: for another year. We are off for the next two 805 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 3: weeks for the holidays. We'll be back on a Wednesday 806 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 3: to start the new year. Wednesday, January seventh, we'll start 807 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 3: talking about IndyCar testing. I think there's a test that 808 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 3: day for at least a couple of cars at Phoenix, 809 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 3: and we'll get into a lot of other things and 810 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 3: probably have some more news by then. Thanks for joining us, 811 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 3: have a good holiday.