1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: So earlier today, we were talking with the Indie Star 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: columnist Jacob Stewart about the proposal to put a casino 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: in downtown Indianapolis. He said, for a variety of reasons, 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: which you can go back and listen to on the podcast, 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: it's a horrible idea. It's kitt on Casey Show. By 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: the way, I Rob, that's Casey. Jason Hammer on half 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: of the Hammer and Nigel Show joins us. Now, you're 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: a great person to have this convo with because you 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: spent years in the casino industry. 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: Yes, working in the marketing department of the closest casino 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: to Indianapolis, down in Shelbyville. It's gone through a couple 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: of different ownership changes since then. But for sure, now 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 2: he's right about a couple of things. And again, if 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: you missed this conversation, I'm sure Kevin's going to post 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: this on your podcast page. Go back and listen to it, 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: because Jacob is right about a couple of things. The 17 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: gaming lobby, every other casino in the state does not 18 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: want a casino in Indy because they feel like it's 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: going to hamper their bottom line. 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: Sure, it'll draw people away from those locations. 21 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of degenerates like myself and Indy 22 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: that like acts right, and the closest ones to Indy 23 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: right now is Shelby Villa and Anderson, both owned by Caesars. 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: They will throw a fit because. 25 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: When those casinos first opened up, they're called racinos because 26 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: they have racetracks attached to them as well, they were 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: taxed more than any other casino in the state of 28 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: Indiana because of the proximity to Indianapolis. All the river 29 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: boats were whining and complaining, and all the places in 30 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: northwest Indiana whining and complaining that all the Indie money 31 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: would just go here and not anywhere else. 32 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Now. 33 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's still this way, but when 34 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: I was there, you know, ten fifteen years ago, it 35 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: was every dollar that got put into a slot machine, 36 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 2: half went to. 37 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: The state of India. Wow. 38 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: Now I think they have lowered that sense then, but 39 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: that was like the new tax on being the closest 40 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: one to Indy. So for people saying I can't believe 41 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: these casinos are losing money, it's not that they were 42 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: losing money, they were getting the tax, but Jesus out 43 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: of them, yea. And also when these lawmakers gave licenses 44 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: to these racinos. They were under the impression it was 45 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: going to be packed to the gills like New York 46 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: City Times Square New Year's Eve three hundred and sixty 47 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: five days a year. 48 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: Now. 49 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have ever been to 50 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: Anderson or Shelbyville, but on a Wednesday night a few 51 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: times one in the morning, it doesn't look like Times 52 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: Square New Year's Eve. 53 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: Remember we even went that one year for the couple 54 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: of years ago for the start of the NCAA tournament, 55 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: and we thought, man, this place is going to be 56 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: packed to the gills, right, and it just it wasn't. 57 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: I mean, there were people there, but it was like, man, 58 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: I thought there'd be more people here. 59 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also a matter of having your dollar be stretched. 60 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: And a question that Jacob asked you guys was why 61 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: aren't people going. 62 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: To the casinos anymore? 63 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: Like when I worked in the marketing department in Shelbyville, 64 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: our goal was to make sure everybody had fun. We 65 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: try to make it feel like a party. We did 66 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: game shows every Friday and Saturday on the floor. You know, 67 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: I was on the mic my friend CJ. Miller, who 68 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 2: used to work here with me, our pal Matt Wharton, drunk. 69 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: Matt Ripe uh and man. 70 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: We had dance offs, we had people, we hyped it 71 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: up every five minutes. 72 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: We're teasing the big giveaway. 73 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: Now, when you walk into a lot of these places, 74 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: it's just so cookie cutter. It's just black. 75 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: Is that because of budget cuts, like they just don't 76 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: have as much to work with as they once did. Well, 77 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: that's a little bit of it. But here's the thing. 78 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: We got in trouble from making it too fun because 79 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: we drove attention to the big Center bar where we're 80 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: doing the giveaways. 81 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: We're giving away a car. 82 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: We're giving away tables are the slots, and if people 83 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: are standing around watching and having fun thinking they're going 84 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: to win, they're not pumping that one arm band. 85 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: So somebody came to you and was like, you're too 86 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: good at your job. You're making people. You're making people 87 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: have too much fun. 88 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: Right, Because we would drive attention to the Players Club, 89 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: get your player's card. 90 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: You can't win without a car. The giveaways coming up in. 91 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: One and I was the DJ on the floor, so 92 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: I'm playing the countdown music and we're hyping everybody up. 93 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: We're doing singlelongs. But I got yelled at for that 94 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: by the management team at the time because people were 95 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: too engaged, you know, we had too much fun going 96 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: in there. So that's the kind of battle that some 97 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: of these places are fighting too. 98 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: Now. His theory is it will hurt poor people having 99 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,559 Speaker 1: a casino in downtown Indianapols take absteward of the anis 100 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: that's a load of crap. 101 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: That no, that's research and it would pray on low 102 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: income residents, you know what. 103 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: Load of crap. 104 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: And I'm sure there's a report that says that nobody cares. 105 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: Nobody cares if this place could make money, They don't care. 106 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,559 Speaker 2: If it's coming from crackheads who are pedophiles, it doesn't matter. 107 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: That's such a load of crap, and people will talk 108 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: about it. And I'm sure Buffalo did a report that 109 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: says all this stuff nobody cares. It comes down to 110 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: is it going to be financially a hit or not? 111 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: And that's where I have questions, because nobody will love this, 112 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: probably more than I do. But I'm thinking I'm probably 113 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: the exception more than the rule. Like I would get 114 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: off work and then walk over there play blackjack for 115 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: a couple of hours and go home. 116 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: And by the way, can I just say this real quick. 117 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: Your wife was on the other day, the crazy coupon lady. 118 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: And it's gotten progressively worse since your kids have gotten older. 119 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: And I love it the amount of crap you guys 120 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: give each other. I love that you have been married 121 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: this long and you don't want to be around each other. 122 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: I love that that's what keeps this marriage together. I 123 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: was sit together, I was just rolling. I love when 124 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: she's on because she hates you so much, and the 125 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: fact that she just is willing to tell the world 126 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: what a horrible, rotten person you are. And it's gotten 127 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: worse now that you don't have to fake it for 128 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: the kids anymore. But the fact that she's. 129 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: Still around tells you how good I am in the sack. 130 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: So now an go back to the downtown casino for 131 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: a second, though, I think the money would be to 132 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: use a gambling term, a push. So if somebody is 133 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: in town for a convention, let's say it's the firefighters 134 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: or whoever. In the past, they would go to an 135 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: Indians game or a fever Pacers game, whatever, and go 136 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: out to dinner they'd spend money downtown. Now they might 137 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: go to the casino and do the same thing. It's 138 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: the same money, it's just going in different directions. 139 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: So you don't think that this will be some destination 140 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: where dollars would be rolling in that if we wouldn't 141 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: already be. 142 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: Getting I think the casino would do really well. I 143 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 2: think it would hurt other restaurants and things downtown. Like, 144 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: I don't know how big it would hurt, but I 145 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: know if I'm going to a convention and again I'm 146 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: the expression. 147 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: Next to a casino where walkable, Yeah, I'm going there 148 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: as opposed to going to find something else to do. 149 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm with you, how are they gonna sell this? Though? 150 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: Because you touched this earlier. I remember having a conversation 151 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: there's been ten plus years ago now with a gaming 152 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: lobbyist and I was saying, Man, wouldn't it be great 153 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: if we had a casino on a rooftop of a 154 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: major building in downtown. No, No, you don't want that 155 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: at all. People will hate you if you say that. 156 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 1: I was like, well, it'd be all it'd be great. 157 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: How if the gaming lobbyist so against us? Because for 158 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: years the gaming. 159 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: Lists you're going to look out for all the other properties. 160 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: That's some saying the gaming lobby and the liquor lobby 161 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: are the or were the two most powerful lobbies in 162 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: the state of The gaming lobby's been hurt because of 163 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: some bad you know, pr and headlines and everything else. Oh, 164 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: some of those dudes are just crooked you Well, but 165 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: how are they going to get this through? If the 166 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: gaming lobby is so against it. 167 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: They're going to have to prove that it's going to 168 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: be such a financial success. And this is where your 169 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: elected officials are going to have to use that bully 170 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: pulpit to say, listen, we need this, make it happen, 171 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: find a way, and then they'll be surprised that there's 172 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: some sort of tax break for the other casino properties 173 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: around the state of Indiana. 174 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: Zoom, Would they be able to survive if they get it? 175 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: Are they done? 176 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: Shelby Villa and Anderson would be in trouble. Now they 177 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: do have a horse racing track, but many people go 178 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: to the horse racing track. I'm asking I'm not trying 179 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: to be facetious. 180 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: Like is it like is it filled? 181 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: Well, they're saying this report saying that it could cause 182 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,119 Speaker 3: ten to seventeen million dollars in loss for the horse 183 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: racing business. 184 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 2: If there's a casco going downtown is to go into it, 185 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: and they do like stream it from things around the country. 186 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: So now you can live in another state, get on 187 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: like the app or whatever and make bets. I think 188 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: on what's happening in Indy are pal Racing Rachel's the 189 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: host of it. 190 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: All and our boy Kenny Britt from the generous next 191 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: Door sports Betting Party. I mean, he'll still be there, 192 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: but everybody else still be there. 193 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: Right, But if they open a casino in downtown Indy, it. 194 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: Would pull from Shelbyville and Andrews absolutely. 195 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: The whole marketing is their closest to Indy. 196 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: Well, right, But I don't think the other casinos around 197 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: the state would be as effected. 198 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: They're saying it would pull. 199 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: Nearly one hundred and forty million dollars from other casinos. 200 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: And by the way, Tara Hot, why are you not 201 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: advertising with me Shelbyville Anderson. There's no bigger champion of 202 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: what you guys are doing than I am. Why are 203 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: you not partnered with me of all people? When you 204 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: got access to the governor twice a month, and you 205 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: don't want to partner with me. 206 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: When you were doing the marketing for the casino, how 207 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: many crock pots did you give away? Oh? 208 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: Man, it depends on what your player's club number was, 209 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: depends on how many points you earned. 210 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: And worth it to sign up for the players club. 211 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: I think it is. 212 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: Now you're going to get some emails. That's how we 213 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: get you back. But you're also going to get some 214 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: free play too. Okay, it was my job to put 215 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: out the email blast. 216 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: Do you notice the enthusiasm in his voice once anything 217 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: gambling comes up. I mean he's like a kid on Christmas, 218 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: Like you're way more enthusiastic about you. I bet you 219 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: would have loved to have stayed in the gambling industry forever. Yeah. 220 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: It was great until Obamacare came along and people who 221 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: were there for a long time had to be replaced 222 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: by people who were, oh, I don't know, in the 223 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: country illegally. 224 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: I can't tell you how disappointed I am to learn though, 225 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: that fifty cents to every dollar goes to the state. 226 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: That's what it was. I don't know if it's bill 227 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: in a way, but we were there. 228 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they were like, you've got to stop 229 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 2: being entertaining. People have to pay these slot machines. 230 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: Oh what's coming up this afternoon? 231 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: Uh brace yourselves. Yeah, Nigel's off today. 232 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: I know. 233 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: Guy Ralford, the gun Guy's in. We'll have some bargaments. 234 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: Rick Snyder, FOP President and beer sample Friday. 235 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: Thanks Sammer, you're listening to Kennell and Casey. It is 236 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC.