1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Live from dal Hartliner and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 3: There's anything in the world that I don't want to 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 3: hear about. 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: Is an A plus plus economy. Listen. 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 3: I think there are things that President Trump can cheer. 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 3: I think there are successes in this just start of 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 3: his second term. I absolutely believe that I'm better off 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: with Donald Trump than Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: whoever was actually running the country any day of the week, 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 3: and twice on Sunday. But do not sit there in 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 3: Pennsylvania and say, what are you talking about? Everything's just great. 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: It's not just great, it's not even great. 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: My gosh, it's barely even just Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good. 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: To be with you. 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: Let me bring in Ed Morrissey right there from hot 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: air dot Com. He's got all the good stories. Of course, 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: we'll get to what's happening in your Texas, where the 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: map is upheld and Jasmine Crockett is the future. The 20 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 3: President goes to Pennsylvania, Ed, and affordability is now a hoax. 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: He has said that before. And this economy is going great. 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 3: That's exactly what we were told by the Democrats regarding 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: transitory inflation and that that's the greatest economy anybody's ever seen. 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: How can you not recognize it? You're dumb, dumb. What 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 3: is president. 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: Doings He's falling into the same trip that practically every 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: other president falls into, which is trying to jolly up 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: people who are living in the economy day to day. 29 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: And this is the thing. You can You can spin 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: lots of things. You can even spin the economy to 31 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: a certain amount of some of the macroeconomic stuff, you 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: can kind of spin that. But what you can't spend 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: is what people feel when they go to the grocery store, 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: when they go to get a loan, when they you know, 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: trying to buy a home, or trying to buy a car, 36 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: dealing with the car payments, insurance payments and that sort 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: of thing. Economy. We participate in the economy every day. 38 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: It is very difficult to gaslight people for very long 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: at least about the economy. And this is this is 40 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: the trap that Joe Biden fell into. It's the same 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: trap that you know, George Bush fell into. Barack Obama 42 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: did something similar and Obama and Biden said the same 43 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: thing that Donald Trump is saying right now, which is that, well, 44 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: my predecessor screwed this up so badly that it's going 45 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: to take us a while to fix things. This is 46 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: a not an unusual message to send out. I think 47 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Trump is trying to rely on his personal charisma, which 48 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: he has plenty of, to try to sell this. And look, 49 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: I think I think it's going to have at least 50 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: an impact because you have to have some sort of 51 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: answer to what's happening. But the real answer to this 52 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: is probably the message I just said, only delivered a 53 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: little bit more. Honestly, we are changing a lot of things. 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: In the long run, you are going to be better 55 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: off with it. In the short run, we're gonna have 56 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: some pain. This is Reagan. You can go back to 57 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: Reagan in his first term. The first two years were tough. 58 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: It is the absolute message. 59 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 3: I don't mean interrupt you, ed, but I so agree 60 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: with us that I have discussed here. This is so 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: the message you can get people to be on your 62 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: side if you tell them what's actually happening. 63 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: You cannot make believe that things are good when they 64 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: are not. 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: Now, this was President Trump from that rally in Pennsylvania, 66 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: string and with. 67 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: Our historic TIFFs. Steel production is roaring back. We're building 68 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 4: steel mills all over the country, and US steel is 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 4: coming back at a level never thought possible before. 70 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: And I was up and I was up here and. 71 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 4: With the workers, and with Selina two don't Selena, because 72 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: everybody know. 73 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: And with some other people. We were up with some 74 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: great people, and we spent the whole day and they. 75 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 4: Were determining whether or not they wanted to make which 76 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 4: one of the deals. I went to the workers, I said, 77 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 4: which one do you like? 78 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: We picked the right one. 79 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 4: As I said before, billions billions of dollars they spending 80 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 4: and the steel workers are doing phenomenally better. 81 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 2: I think it's good ed to talk about steel. 82 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: I think it's fine to discuss the idea of strength 83 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: in our economy. 84 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: These are things to highlight. 85 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: And then, as if turning on a dime, he gets 86 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: into the conversation of dolls. 87 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 4: I think you're going to do better than you've ever 88 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 4: done before. You were losing all of your steel. We 89 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 4: didn't have tariffs, you would have no steel where we 90 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 4: wouldn't have one steel mill anywhere in the United States, 91 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: and that would be really bad for scott national security. 92 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: We need the one thing you need. You need steal. 93 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: You know you can give up certain products. 94 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 4: You can give up pencils. Guys, under the China policy. 95 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: You know, every child can get thirty seven pencils. 96 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: They only need one or two. 97 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 4: You know, they don't need that many. But you always need, 98 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 4: You always need steal. You don't need thirty seven dollars 99 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 4: for your daughter. Two or three is nice, but you 100 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 4: don't need thirty seven dollars. 101 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 3: He has made this argument before, Ed Morrissey. Yeah, this 102 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: argument is horrifically bad. I don't know who is advising him, 103 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: but fire that person. This does not resonate. It resonates 104 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: zero with the American public. 105 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's sort of a malaise speech reference 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: for those who remember the Malays speech from Jimmy Carter, 107 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: which is, you don't need all this stuff. You don't 108 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: really need all this income. You don't need to warm 109 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: your house to seventy eight degrees. We're all going to 110 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: have to live within our means. 111 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: You know. 112 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: Not bad personal advice, frankly, but politically speaking, just see 113 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: how well that worked out for Jimmy Carter. It's not 114 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: the point that your daughter doesn't need thirty seven dolls. 115 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: Is that you don't want the government telling you that 116 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: your daughter only needs two or three in order to 117 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: be happy. That's not the government's role. The government's role 118 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: is to create an economy where you can compete and 119 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: you can succeed, and then you can decide how many 120 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: dolls you're taught our needs. This type of thing is 121 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: it's a trap. It's reactive. 122 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: Right. 123 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: The doll thing was reactive to to something that happened 124 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: a few months back about people complaining about the tariffs 125 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: impacting the price of toys for kids. Right, And you 126 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: have to put these things in better perspective. That's what 127 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: you're there to do. You don't want to react to 128 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: every single line item. What you want to say is, look, 129 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: we're working through this. We want to see more of 130 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: those dolls produced in the United States. We want to 131 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: see fair trade so that whatever you're producing here in 132 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: the United States gets the proper price where we're buying 133 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: the dolls from, and then everybody can have as many 134 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: dolls as they want. That's the type of message that 135 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: you need. That's not really Trump's style, and so I'm 136 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: not surprised to see him sort of reacting rather than 137 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: recrafting the argument. 138 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: That's what really needs to happen. 139 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: This is the second big mystery. Jeffrey Epstein was the 140 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: first shocking in my view. Talking to Ed Morrissey right 141 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: now of hotair dot com, this is a ridiculous mis read. 142 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: And he's smarter than this, he's more capable than this. 143 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: So somewhere, somehow someone said this is the message we're crafting, 144 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: and the question before us is why why this? 145 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: I think that the first off, if you're listening to that, 146 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: that's Donald Trump riffing, right. So I don't even think 147 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: it's somebody in the White House that wrote the line 148 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: about the dolls. I think that that's just Donald Trump. 149 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: That's Donald Trump going off script. He likes to do 150 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: that a lot. He's usually pretty good at it. In 151 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: this case, though, it's not serving him well. He needs 152 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: to be a lot more focused on what this economic 153 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: message is going to be. I will say also this 154 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: it's early days for this new economic campaign that they're launching, 155 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 1: and it's like doing stand up right. Work a few clubs, 156 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: keep going, You work a few clubs, you refine the material, 157 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: you find out what works, you find out what doesn't, 158 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: and you get better as you go along. I'm not 159 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: terribly concerned at this point. If that message is what 160 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: keeps going, though, it's going to be the malaise speech 161 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: all over again. It is not going to work out 162 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: well for Republicans. They need to They need to sharpen 163 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: this thing up and awful lot. 164 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 3: I think that that is very true that they're working 165 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: out in the language, and the comparison to somebody you 166 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 3: know on the circuit, working out their routine and getting 167 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: their tight ten I think that that is accurate. It's 168 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: that it shouldn't be this hard. That's the problem. And 169 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 3: they do have a lot they can cheer on. They 170 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: do have a lot of economic stuff that they can 171 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: engage with. Certainly, they have stuff on domestic policy with 172 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: the border that they can cheer Certainly, they can talk 173 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: about peace plans that have been created, whether the whole 174 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: or not is inconsequential to them that they're going to 175 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: be able to talk about going into the mint terms. 176 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: But this economic conversation can be possibly seen in what 177 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: took place in Miami, where after thirty years of Republicans 178 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 3: being in charge, they just elected a Democrat for mayor 179 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: last night, not only a Democrat, somebody who was in 180 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: Hispanic which is interesting. They elected a Democrat in we 181 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: hate Castro Miami. Is this an economic conversation or is 182 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 3: this something else that's Miami focused that we don't know about. 183 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: Might be a Desantius conversation. I mean, Desantas is dominated 184 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: Florida politics too, and it might be a DeSantis conversation. 185 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't really tied in too much to what was 186 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: going on in Miami, but there's a lot of different 187 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: things that happens in local elections. Sometimes local elections are 188 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: local too. Miami is part of Miami Dade County, which has, 189 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: up until DeSantis came along, had been pretty heavily democratic. 190 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: It was not necessarily I know that the city of 191 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: Miami was electing Republicans, but that was a pretty blue 192 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: area until DeSantis came along. So I'm not necessarily sure 193 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: that this is some sort of reversion against type at 194 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: this point in time. I would be concerned about it, though, 195 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: if I was the White House, and especially because the 196 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: guy that she was running against, in whose name I 197 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: don't even recall, was apparently a guy who was four 198 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: square Trump guy making the Trump argument. So yeah, maybe 199 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: it is economics. It could be economics. I think that 200 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: they've slipped on the economic message because they've been so 201 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: focused on foreign policy. They're not going to go out 202 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: in the campaign trail for the next year and talk 203 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: about foreign policy though they're going to be talking about economics, 204 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: because you don't midterm elections on foreign policy. You know 205 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: when you know when presidential elections on foreign policy, even 206 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: though you should, that's not usually when's presidential elections. It's 207 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: the economy, stupid. It's what car Bill said thirty years ago. 208 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 2: So we we both agree with that. 209 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 3: I'm saying that there are things that Republicans can say, 210 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: look what we've done, and they could certainly talk about 211 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 3: the southern border as a success. And if you vote 212 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: for these other people, your kids are going to get 213 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: our die from Ventanyl, Right, it's going to be one 214 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,119 Speaker 3: of those kinds of Well, crime. 215 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: Would certainly be a good argument in local elections, right, 216 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: And maybe they didn't emphasize the crime angle enough. Again, 217 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: I'm not familiar enough with with what. 218 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: I'm talking about in general. I'm talking about in general, 219 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: don't yeah. 220 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: But I mean the crime angle is also an economic angle. 221 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: This is what you have to do. You have to 222 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: tie all these things back to the economy. Right if 223 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: you if you have rampant crime in the streets, people 224 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: are not going to go out shopping. People are You're 225 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,239 Speaker 1: not going to have a healthy economy in your local community, 226 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: and you're going to suffer from that. So this is 227 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: what we're doing and how this is helping the economy. 228 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: We're closing the southern border, and this is how it's 229 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: going to help your economy. We're gonna have more jobs 230 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: for Americans. We're gonna have houses that we're gonna take 231 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: the pressure off of housing by having the illegal aliens 232 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: uh migrate back out, and that's going to lower rents. 233 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: In fact, that's already happening. That's one win that they 234 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: can actually talk about. They need to start talking more 235 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: about that though, and that they need to They need 236 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: to have sort of the you know, the the grand 237 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: economic theory of everything that they're doing and tie everything 238 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: back to economic results for uh, you know, average Americans 239 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: at the kitchen table. And they can do that, but 240 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: they have to tighten up the message and they have 241 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: to get a lot better at it. 242 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: Talking to Ed Morrissey at hotair dot com. 243 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 3: So that's something Republicans have to do something We've discussed here, 244 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: but it seems that all Democrats have to do is 245 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: scream Trump bad. And in your beautiful Texas, where the 246 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: new maps of redistricting were upheld basically by the Supreme 247 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 3: Court in walks the future set Jasmine Crockett to save 248 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: Texans from themselves. I mean, it really is a kind 249 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: of fascinating story where you see that Colin Allred, who's 250 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: been running for office for four or five years now, lost. 251 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: To Ted Cruz. 252 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: He's a Democrat, decides he's gonna run against John Cornyn 253 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: or whoever is gonna be the Republican nominee for the Senate. 254 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 3: The next thing you know, there's redistricting, and then he 255 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 3: decides Jasmine Crockett's getting in the race. She's, I don't know, 256 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: too big, too powerful, to popular, whatever it is. I'll 257 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: step out and run for Congress in the third And 258 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: now here comes the voice of the Democratic Party, Jasmine Crockett, 259 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: to save the day. I ask you right now, Ed Morrissey, 260 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 3: how much fun is this race gonna be? 261 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: It's gonna be so much fun. This is this is 262 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: almost my happy spot. The only thing is is that 263 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous. I don't want to jinx it 264 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: and have her actually end up winning. But come on, 265 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: it's Texas. She's not going to win a state wide 266 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: election here in Texas. I don't even know what Democrats 267 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: are thinking by by doing this. They should be finding 268 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: somebody who is somewhat to the right of Colin Allred. 269 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: Colin Allred was trying to run as a centrist, as 270 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: record just cut against it. Beto O'Rourke tried to run 271 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: as a centrist when he ran against Ted Cruz in 272 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and he came within four points or so, 273 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: and that was with a lot of national money coming 274 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: in painting him as a centrist, you know the whole 275 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, friend libuit'z, you know, photo shoot and art 276 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: to Manny Leebot's photo shoot and that sort of thing 277 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: you can't dress up. Jasmin Crockett is anything other than 278 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: a radical and and this is going to be a 279 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: disaster for Democrats. In fact, the Washington Post yesterday was 280 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: reading this whole Dems in disarray in Texas article analysis 281 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: predicating on the fact that you know, sort of like, 282 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: what are they thinking? Are Democrats thinking in Texas? Based 283 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: on clearing the field for Jasmine Crockett, and I'm going 284 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: to have We're gonna have. 285 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: A lot of fun with this. 286 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: The one downside of this is that Republicans are going 287 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: to have a really brutal primary here between John Corny 288 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: and Ken Paxton. And now Wesley Hunt has gotten in 289 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: the race. Wesley Hunt, this is pretty well liked, right, 290 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: might be a bad candidate, right, and he's jumping in. 291 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: He's already got twenty percent in polls. 292 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 2: Right now. 293 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: Can I throw interesting? 294 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: Can I throw just a little bit of betting out there. 295 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: I'm to put a couple of bucks on this. I 296 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: think Wesley Hunt is more favorable, more palatable, more attractive 297 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 3: to Texas. 298 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: Voters than Ken Paxton. I think they like the fight 299 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: of Ken Sexton. But they don't like the fight of 300 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: Ken Paxton. 301 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: I think he rubs everybody the wrong way, even if 302 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 3: he gets a good result. 303 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: They'd rather have Wesley Hunt. 304 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: I think they like the fight of Ken Paxton. They 305 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: don't like the baggage of Ken Paxton, and that's the problem. 306 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: And they don't like John Cornyn much after you know, 307 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: after that vote on gun control and the fact that 308 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: he's been part of the leadership click now for the 309 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: Senate GOP and Texans are pretty unhappy with that. I 310 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: am like six to one a half dozen't of another. 311 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: I don't care who it is. It's fine, I'll vote 312 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: for that person per Senate. But some people have very 313 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: strong opinions about this. I actually think Wesley Hunt might 314 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: not be the bad might be the best choice. Just 315 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: as you said, you get a change, but you get 316 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: somebody who's very rational, very clear, really good on his feet, 317 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: doesn't rub people the wrong way, very charismatic kind of guy. 318 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: But I think either what any of those three would 319 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: beat Jasmine Crockett without much trouble. I maybe Ken Paxton 320 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: might be the weakest, but that's, you know, relative relative 321 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: to the question we have in Texas. We have the 322 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: primary in March, so we're going to have this thing 323 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: decided in March, and you've got eight months then, or 324 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: seven and a half months until you get to the 325 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: general election. 326 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: Things. You know, all the divisions. 327 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: Will get cleared up, and especially if Jasmine Crockett ends 328 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: up being the nominee, you're going to see the party 329 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: unite around that. And even if people don't like John 330 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: Cornyn or Ken Paxton or Wesley Hunt. They're going to 331 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: turn out in Texas just to make sure that Jasmin 332 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: Crockett doesn't get elected to the Senate. 333 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie. 334 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 3: Senator Crockett would be hilarious, frightening and hilarious. We've got 335 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: more with Ed Morrissey of hot air dot com coming up. 336 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: Keep it here. This is Tony Kats Today. 337 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: So what do you think the take is on the 338 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: drug boats and taking out the drug boats? Because the 339 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: left wants to make a big deal about the drug 340 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: boats and the idea of a double tap. 341 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: Going back and making sure that everybody was either killed 342 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 2: or the boat was destroyed. 343 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: But really this is a conversation about American safety insecurity. 344 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: At least that's how I think the. 345 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 3: Vast majority of Americans view it, and they favor keeping 346 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: America safe and secure from drug dealers. Tony Katz, Tony 347 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: Kats Today, Good to be with you. Find everything I 348 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 3: do at tonycats dot com. Ed Marssey joins me again 349 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: from hot air dot com. Because I don't think that 350 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 3: this is a large scale subject for the political right. 351 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: I think it's a subject for the political left, and 352 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 3: the political left is trying to make hay of it. 353 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: But I don't think they understand how America views this thing, 354 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: because look, I don't think we'd be we're speaking out 355 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: of school here. While certainly there is a constitutional question 356 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 3: about don't you have. 357 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: To declare war to do this? Why haven't he gone 358 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: to Congress to do this? 359 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: The vast majority of people say, if the boats are 360 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: carrying drugs meant for the United States, destroy the boats, 361 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 3: and if you have to go back and make sure 362 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 3: that the boat is destroyed and calling it a double tap, 363 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 3: or not go back and make sure the boat is destroyed. 364 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: It seems that the Democratic Party. 365 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 3: Wants to make a story here out of what could 366 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 3: very well be seen as everyday military maneuvers, even those 367 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: from back in the day, if you will, of people 368 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: like Senator Mark Kelly when he was in the Navy. 369 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: So the Gang of Eight, this leadership in the House, 370 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: in the Senate, had a meeting with Pete Hegseth and 371 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: Marco Rubio. Chuck Schumer comes out of the meeting to say. 372 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 5: This, okay, it was a very unsatisfying briefing. I asked 373 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 5: Secretary Xceth, Secretary of Defense Exseth, would he let every 374 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 5: member of Congress see the unedited videos of the September 375 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 5: second strike. His answer, we have to study it well. 376 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 5: In my view, they've studied it long enough, and Congress 377 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 5: ought to be able to see it. I told him 378 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 5: that every member of Congress, so many members of Congress, Democrat, Republican, 379 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 5: had a right to see it, wanted to see it, 380 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 5: and should see it. In terms of Venezuela, I asked 381 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 5: them what their strategy is and what they were doing. Again, 382 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 5: did not get satisfying answers. 383 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 3: Now ed there was no planet, and no chance and 384 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: no setting of the sun, and no astrological reading that 385 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: could ever have had Chuck Schumer come out to the 386 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 3: microphone and say. 387 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: I just got a briefing. Boy, am I satisfied? You 388 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 2: would not believe how satisfied I am. Have you ever 389 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 2: had a corn beef sandwich from cats as Delhi? 390 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 3: I am that kind of satisfied, and. 391 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: I have leftovers for tomorrow. What a deal. So satisfied. 392 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: It's like Woody Allen met Gilbert Gottfried kind of satisfied. 393 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: So when I see this, I'm like, well. 394 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 3: What else is this absolute fool going to say? But 395 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: the larger scale question before us Number one, does Congress 396 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: have any right to the video? My initial inclination is yes. 397 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 3: Number two, what is our strategy in Venezuela. I think 398 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 3: that's a legitimate conversation to have. But you still have 399 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 3: not had Congress go to the president and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, 400 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 3: this is a war. 401 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: Action that's through us. You come through us, or this 402 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: whole thing stops. 403 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: There's complaining, there's politicizing, but there is no movement. So 404 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 3: the part question ed number one, what do you take 405 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: of this double tap so called controversy and where do 406 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 3: you think America is in this story and how it 407 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: plays politically? 408 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: Well, I mean the issue is the first tap, not 409 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: so much the second tap. Right, That's what you're getting 410 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: at is should we be doing this at all? Technically speaking, 411 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: only Congress can declare war, but the President has the 412 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: authorization to conduct military operations. It is when there was 413 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: a clear and present danger to the United States. This 414 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: is the War Powers Act controversy. It's never been fully 415 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: settled out. This was a by the way, this was 416 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: a tension that the founders wanted. They wanted the president 417 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: to have command of the military and Congress to have 418 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: command of the power to declare war because they wanted 419 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: that tension. They understood that a president had to be 420 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: able to act without necessarily going to Congress first. Now 421 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: we can talk about how far that's gone, and you'd 422 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: have to go all the way back to Barack Obama 423 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: decap pitating the Kadafi regime in Libya without not even 424 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: before going to Congress to ask for mission, but never 425 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: even reporting it to Congress. And that was a that 426 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: was a weeks long operation that ended up decapitating the 427 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: Libyan government and created a failed state in Libya that 428 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: has created all sorts of damage in its wake. So 429 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: you have to wonder if you're setting yourself up for 430 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: that type of outcome too, which is one of the 431 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: reasons why you might want to get Congress involved. But 432 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: he's got the authority to do this. Now, why is 433 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: he doing it. I think he's trying to pressure Madurero 434 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: into leaving. I don't think he wants to necessarily go 435 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: to war with Venezuela. I think he's laying on the 436 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: pressure to get Maduro to hit the exits on his own, 437 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: try to get try to get him out of there 438 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: as cleanly as possible. And the reason for that is, 439 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: he wants to cut China, Iran, and Russia off from 440 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: the Western hemisphere. This is his version of the Monroe Doctrine. 441 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: He's becoming very assertive on the Monroe doctrine. He wants China, Iran, 442 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: in Russia out of the Western hemisphere, and Venezuela is 443 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: right now their entry point for that. 444 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: Can we dig in a little bit. I don't want 445 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: to test your historical bona fides here, and I don't 446 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 3: make the claim of you being a professor or anything 447 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: like that, but knowledgeable, yes, and my faith in you 448 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 3: is very very real. We brought this up a couple 449 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: of weeks ago that there seems to be this idea 450 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 3: that there is Okay, China, Okay, Russia. You get this, 451 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 3: We get this, and that's where it's at. Thank you, Cleveland, 452 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: good night. So when you bring it up as a 453 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: de facto renaissance to the Monroe doctrine, I think Rich 454 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: Lowry over at National Review has a piece about that. 455 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is Rich Lowry about. 456 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: This concept in your best layman's voice, right, explain Monroe doctrine. 457 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: The Monroe Doctrine was a declaration from the United States 458 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: that said that Europe would not meddle in the affairs 459 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: of the Western hemisphere. That this was that this was 460 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: a sphere of influence that belonged strictly to the United 461 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: States of America, and it held that that was a 462 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: long time. 463 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 2: Policy of the United States. 464 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: And at the time, of course, it was difficult to 465 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: have those types of control because there was a giant 466 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: ocean between Europe and South America. That's no longer the case, 467 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: and that doctrine faded in the sort of post World 468 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: War One and especially post World War Two doctrines of 469 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: global cooperation and that sort of thing that is a 470 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: faith in multilateralism, though that Donald Trump just simply doesn't share, 471 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of Republicans don't share any longer either, 472 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: And so the Donald Trump is going back to the 473 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: idea that especially probably Iran, but China and Russia really 474 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: don't have roles in the Western Hemisphere, and that their 475 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: involvement in here is destabilizing and is a significant. 476 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: Threat to the security of the United States. 477 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: And I think that if you look at the outcomes 478 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: in Venezuela especially, but also in some of the other 479 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: countries where they've exported left wing radicalism via Cuba. That 480 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: case can be very very well made. And I think 481 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: that this is Donald Trump's way of reinforcing what americans position, 482 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: what America's position had been since almost since the founding, 483 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: which is that the rest of the world needs to 484 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: butt out of the Western. 485 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 3: Hemisphere, and the only way to get them to butt 486 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 3: out is sometimes to make them. 487 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: But out right, I accept this. 488 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: Talking to Ed Morrissey of hotair dot com, I mean, 489 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 3: you could argue that this was a conversation regarding John F. 490 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 3: Kennedy may have been somebody who ascribed to these kinds 491 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 3: of ideas. This is not just something that exists on 492 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 3: the political right, Oh Reagan, Oh Trump. 493 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: That's that's not the case. 494 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 4: Here. 495 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 3: There's a real conversation of safety and secure to be addressed. 496 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: But it doesn't match up to Trump saying. 497 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 3: Hey, six hundred thousand communist Chinese national students at our 498 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 3: university's fine selling Nvidia chips, the two hundred chip, the 499 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: more powerful chip to China. 500 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely fine. 501 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: Trump first term China policy was a much stronger thing 502 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 3: than Trump's second. 503 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: Term China policy. 504 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: So if Venezuela is actually a China policy, it goes 505 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 3: against the other things that he's doing, and I'm not 506 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: so sure how one rationally squares that circle. It should 507 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 3: be an all campaign, not a piecemeal campaign. 508 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: I think it's a matter of priorities. I think it's 509 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: a matter of priorities. I mean, he's been pretty tough 510 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: on China at times on the trade policies too, and 511 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: this is one of the reasons why his economic message 512 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: is in troubles. Because farmers aren't selling soybeans to China 513 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: this year. It's a real problem for him. You just 514 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: rolled out a twelve billion dollar aid program to buffer 515 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: the impacts of that. So it's not that he hasn't 516 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: been putting that type of pressure on I think it's 517 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: a matter of priorities. He forced China out of the 518 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: Panama Canal. Now he wants to force China out of Venezuela. 519 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: And I think he probably just sees the drug trade 520 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: and the immigration pressure, especially when you're talking about organized 521 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: crime gangs like Trenda Arragua and MS thirteen and that 522 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: sort of thing from Central and South America, that he 523 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: just sees that as the priority and he wants to 524 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: focus on Maduro first off, for the threats that Maduro 525 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: actually generates, but second of all, as an example to 526 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: set for the other leaders in South America as to 527 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: what's going to happen if they start trying to connect 528 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: up with Iran, in China and Russia again. And he's 529 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: sending a very clear signal that We're simply not going 530 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: to put up with it. In that sense, this isn't 531 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: aimed at attacking China, attacking Iran, attacking Russia. He's going 532 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: after the leaders in South America that want to partner 533 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: up with those people, in order to make sure everybody 534 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: else knows that that's nos bueno listen. 535 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 3: I first all, thank you for the multiculturalism. I appreciate it, 536 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: and I. 537 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: Have it's a limit of my Spanish, by the way, 538 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: and thank goodness, we're all thrilled to hear that. 539 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 3: I am very, very very down with the idea of 540 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 3: exposing the world to America's might, and I'm not always 541 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 3: down with the idea, of course, of a war, although 542 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 3: I'm certainly not afraid of fighting the fight when the 543 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: fight is indeed necessary. It is Major Mike Lyons, retired 544 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 3: to the United States Army, who's a guest on our 545 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: show frequently military analyst who refers to Trump's doctrine as 546 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 3: a doctrine of visible leverage, which is why you have 547 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 3: the USS Gerald Ford and eleven warships in the Caribbean 548 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 3: with fifteen thousand troops and he's talking about land and 549 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 3: the minute you hear that, you're like, wait a second, 550 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: what exactly is he after here? Never mind how Democrats 551 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 3: take this, because this could be spun as showing their 552 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 3: weakness and their inability to keep America safe. I could 553 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 3: do that in about fourteen seconds. How do you explain this? 554 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 3: It's a magaville. How does Trump sell the idea of 555 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: this level of strength and really bringing it to the 556 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: edge and maybe punging somebody in the nose a couple 557 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 3: of times to a party, to a group of people 558 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 3: where he said no more forever wars and look at 559 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 3: this build up. 560 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: Well, I think, first off, Trump's answer to that is 561 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: always Mega Samoa. 562 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: So they're a little bit more multiculturalism. 563 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: There for you. 564 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: I didn't see that company. 565 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: He is Mega. He is Mega, and he's made this. 566 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: He said this explicitly. I am Maga. I set Maga's priorities. 567 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: But this is also our backyard, right, We're not talking 568 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: about Afghanistan We're not talking about Iraq, We're not talking 569 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: about you know, going to Ukraine or the Caucasus. We're 570 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: talking about securing our own backyard, especially after a four 571 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: year campaign of flooding America with organized crime figures coming 572 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: out of Central and South America. That I think is 573 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: probably as the biggest selling point with Mega as you're 574 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: ever going to get. And I think it's a easy 575 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: case to make that Maduro was one of the architects 576 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: of that flood and that he's trying to deal with that. 577 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: I you know, what's interesting about this is not threatening 578 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: Cuba at all. Right, Cuba is actually reaching out to 579 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: him to say, well, maybe we can talk about a 580 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: world without Maduro, which was very interesting. That was a 581 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal report last week. So it's not like 582 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: he's going after everybody. He's just going after Maduro, and 583 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: he's making it very clear. 584 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 3: That he's, well, you go after the biggest bully in 585 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 3: the yard, and everybody else seems to fall away. 586 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: Ed Marscy Yes, hotair dot Com. 587 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 3: I appreciate you, man, as always, more is coming up. 588 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz and this is Tony 589 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: Katz Today.