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Speaker 1: I first learned of this connection to the University of

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Speaker 1: is going to be some sort of annual or bi

435
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: annual thing. Now he obviously when you look at what

436
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: he did previously before he was even in ann Arbor

437
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: and he was able to win there, and now there's

438
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: much more resource for him. So one would say going

439
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: out and getting together the roster of the best portal

440
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: guys versus high school players is the way to go.

441
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: What does Kurt Signetti say? I take productivity over potential fair,

442
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: But there's also caution and precedent of why you have

443
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: to be somewhat careful with that. I know we're talking

444
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: about players of a younger age and lesser experience level,

445
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: but look at the John Caliperi Kentucky recipe. For a

446
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: period of time there, Kentucky didn't recruit players. Players recruited Kentucky.

447
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: And if you had a roster, and they had some

448
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: unbelievable rosters at Kentucky, and you knew that three to

449
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: four per year, we're going to be going one and done,

450
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: and then next year it was just rebuild once again.

451
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: Kentucky's got the number one point guard, the number one

452
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: small forward, the number one power forward. Rebuild, reload, rents,

453
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: and repeat. But for all of those teams at Kentucky,

454
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: it is easy to forget that John Caliperi won a championship.

455
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: And Caliperi is as great as any coach that you

456
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: can find in meshing personalities and getting guys to buy in.

457
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: No greater example than his platoon system. To be able

458
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: to get players that are willing to be in a

459
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: platoon system, knowing that that means they're only going to

460
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: be on the floor like half the game. And yet

461
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: all those guys bought in. They didn't win at all

462
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: they bought in. Then you had other years where they

463
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: had this loaded roster and they get bounced by West

464
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: Virginia because it just didn't mesh together. And I think

465
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: the world that we're entering into now you see it

466
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: in Indiana. What does Indiana have right now? In look

467
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: at Indiana and Purdue. At Purdue, they have to replace

468
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: players because guys are graduating and have been there, their

469
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: eligibility has expired. So they've got to replace Kaupman, Renn

470
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: and lawyer in Smith and they have guys on the roster,

471
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: then you've got the first thing you need to do

472
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: is see who you're going to retain. We now know

473
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: that that Meyer is going to return, and one would

474
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: hope that CJ. Cox and Harris do the same. We'll

475
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: see what happens with you eligibility wise other spots. But

476
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: I think produced still goes with the game plan of

477
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: let's try to recruit young players, develop and build them

478
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: and compliment it with transfer portal. Indiana has put themselves

479
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: in position where, at least for right now, it's going

480
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: to be about transfer portal. First, they have players coming in,

481
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, but they've hired a general manager.

482
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm using that term for lack of another one, and

483
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Carr to navigate through the portal and basically go

484
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: through free agency and figure out, Okay, we have X

485
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: amount to spend, how are we going to spend it?

486
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: And that brings excitement an intrigue, But at the same time,

487
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: it is simply my opinion that it's not sustainable long term,

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00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: whether you're Michigan and it just worked for you, or

489
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: Indiana or whatever. And the reason is is because of

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00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: and I know I've labored this point probably and I

491
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: don't know that we've been in the game long enough

492
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: to know whether or not this is a theory of

493
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: mine that is totally off base, or if there's eventually

494
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: going to be found to merit to it. And that

495
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: is donor fatigue. And I get it. I get that

496
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: some of these schools have some donor or some alumni

497
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: with endless pockets and they say, you know what, fine,

498
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm ten million a year. Fine, Sure take it. I've

499
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: got billions of dollars. Maybe Indiana has that, maybe it

500
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: is Mark Cuban that's bankrolling the whole thing. But if

501
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: a lot of it is coming from just alumni and

502
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: fan and enthusiast donor money. Eventually you get donor fatigue.

503
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: It's like anything else when you are asked to give

504
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: money and you do and you don't get return on

505
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: investment consistently enough. You go to the big civic leader

506
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: or the big businessman or the big attorney that has

507
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: deep pockets, that's sitting in road number eight and loves

508
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: the fact that he can tell his friends at cocktail

509
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: parties that he has access now. And you go to

510
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: that guy and you say, we have the number one

511
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: point guard and the number one small forward that are

512
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: interested in coming here, but we need a million and

513
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: a half. And he goes, fine, he writes you check

514
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: for three hundred grand, and he says, just find four

515
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: others like me. And then those players come for one year.

516
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: They have a good year. Johnny Doner enjoys that season,

517
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: but they finish second in the conference. Then they get

518
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: in the NCAA tournament, somebody gets a hang nail, somebody

519
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: else twists and ankle, they get bounced in around number two.

520
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: And then you come back the next year and you go,

521
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: you know what, that that was a lot of fun

522
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: last year, we realized, but those we've now we have

523
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: an even better point guard and an even better small forward,

524
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: but we need one point seven million. Okay, here's here's

525
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: three point fifty. Find four more guys like me and

526
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: keep the extra fifty grand or whatever. The difference is.

527
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: That can only happen so many times, so you have

528
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: to find some sort of an equilibrium between the two.

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Speaker 1: And I think what Michigan just did was really impressive.

530
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: But is that sustainable every single year? Probably not. You know, Connecticut,

531
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: Connecticut had trains first, but they also had really good freshman,

532
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: I mean brayln Ullens, and we'll see if he comes back.

533
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: He may Brailn Mullins may come back because he might

534
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: look at it and say, you know what this is

535
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 1: this year. If Braylan Mullens is thought to be let's

536
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: say right now anywhere between twelve to twenty five in

537
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: the draft, it's as good a front loaded draft as

538
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: we've had in twenty years. So Brailer Mullins may look

539
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: at it and say, you know what, I can go

540
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: to the NBA right now and get my rookie contract

541
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: as a first round pick at seventeen, or I can

542
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: go back to Connecticut get two and a half million

543
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: next year and then enter the draft at the end

544
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: of next year, which is a much drier draft, and

545
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: just based on the depth of draft alone, I'm walking

546
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: into it at eight to twelve or five to twelve,

547
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: five to ten, whatever it might be. So when that happens,

548
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: then Braylan Mullins says to Danny Hurley like, hey, I

549
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: think I want to come back. Now. You got to

550
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: go back to that same booster again, right, Hey, do

551
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: you remember how excited you were when we got Braylan Mullens. Well, listen,

552
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: he yeah. We also thought, yeah, we thought it was

553
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: gonna be one and done also, but he wants to

554
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: come back, and we want to make sure we don't

555
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: lose him in the portal. And I gotta tell you,

556
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: we got these guys sniffing around. So now, if you

557
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: can just give me four hundred grant all of it's

558
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: not sustainable over the course of time, or if it is,

559
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: you are going to have EBB and flow, and so

560
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: you need to I think have the fallback of some

561
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: foundation on your roster that is indeed homegrown, so that

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00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: you give yourself flexibility on the rest of it. But

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00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: then you have the tournament itself. And I think we're

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00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: seeing now the evidence of the NCAA tournament. And this

565
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: is probably good news for Indiana and good news for

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00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: Ball State, and good news for Purdue. More so Indiana,

567
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: Purdue and Butler than Indiana State, Ball State in Evansville.

568
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: On where the NCAA is headed and the reason it's

569
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: headed there, they're going to tell you otherwise. They're going

570
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: to tell you otherwise. But I'm fairly now more than ever,

571
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 1: convinced that we've been onto something for a while here

572
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: in regards to the trajectory of the NCAA tournament and

573
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: what the numbers tell us. I'll get into that. On

574
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 1: the other side, we do have Pacers to talk about.

575
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: They are an act. Tonight, Timberwolves are at the fieldhouse,

576
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: and the Pacers have done a masterful job of putting

577
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: themselves the right line. They can't screw this up. There

578
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: almost to the end. Don't hit the wall and turn four. Now,

579
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: we'll get into that and Steven Holder joining us in

580
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: eighteen Eddie, I would like for you, if you could

581
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: please to open two things. Okay, the first would be

582
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: the phone lines. In two through nine ten seventy, A

583
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: couple of people ask me, have we taken calls. We

584
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: don't always do that, only because I assume that most

585
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: people are at work during the midday hours, so we

586
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: haven't become accustomed to that. But I'm always open to

587
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: the dialogue and discourse. So if you could please, you

588
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: can open the phone lines. The second is this, can

589
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: you please open for me the calculator app on your

590
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: phone or get out a pen and paper for some

591
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: quick mathematics, which is always dangerous when you talk to

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00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: radio folks. Okay, now, I did some numbers last night,

593
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: and I had a conversation with Greg Reigstraw, actually, which

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00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: is what was the origin. Greg initially kind of pointed

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00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: this out to me, and then I started thinking more

596
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: about it the news yesterday as I'm watching one shining

597
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: moment and I'm watching the end of this tournament and

598
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: how much we love the tournament, and I'm like, why

599
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: would they Why mess with something that ain't broken. If

600
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: it ain't broke, don't fix it. But as I'm watching

601
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: the tournament, I'm thinking of numbers. Okay, I'm thinking of

602
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: the numbers in terms of the billions of dollars in

603
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: television revenue. I'm thinking of numbers in the fact that

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00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: at one point, I believe I saw eleven people on

605
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: the set for T and T, and I wondered how

606
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: many more they could squeeze in. And it's all about

607
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: getting as much as you can out of the numbers, right,

608
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: and now we know that the tournament may be expanding. Now, please,

609
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: if you could you have your out, yes, okay, the

610
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: if you were to list. And in college football there's

611
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: the Power five, but in college basketball, basically it's the

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00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: Power four, right, the ACC, the Big Twelve, the Big Ten,

613
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: and the SEC. Yeah, and then the Big East is

614
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: obviously there, but you know they don't have the football revenue,

615
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: et cetera. So the ACC i'd like for you to

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Speaker 1: enter into, if you could please for me, Eddie, And

617
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: let's begin with this exercise. The NCAA Tournament as it

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00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: stands right now, and folks at home, play along. Play

619
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: along at home, if you're sitting in your office right now,

620
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: get out of pen and paper and get ready to

621
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: play along. How many teams are in the NCAA Tournament,

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00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: including the play in teams as it stands in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six, sixty eight sixty eight team tournament. Okay, sixty eight. Now,

624
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: the ACC has how many schools in its conference. I

625
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: actually don't know this answer. I looked it up. Okay,

626
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: so you can write it down or please plug it

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00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: into your calculator. Okay. So on the left hand column

628
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: you have the number of teams in the NCAA Tournament.

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Speaker 1: It's sixty eight correct, yes, okay. In the right hand column,

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00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: please if you could write down eighteen, that's the number

631
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: of teams in the Atlantic Coast Conference. Eighteen teams. Okay.

632
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: I can list for you the eighteen teams if you'd like,

633
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: or you can just trust me on the fact that

634
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: there are eighteen teams within the Atlantic Coast Conference. Okay

635
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: you Virginia, Miami, North Carolina, Clempson, Louisville, North Carolina State,

636
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: Florida State, California, Stanford, SEMU, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Pittsburgh,

637
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: Notre Dame in Boston College, Georgia Tech, and Basketball standing eighteen. Now,

638
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: the next conference that will bring into the equation here

639
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: is the Big Twelve. The Big Twelve has the following

640
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: teams Arizona, Houston, Kansas, Hiowa State, Texas Tech, TCU, West Virginia,

641
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: u c F, Cincinnati, BA, Colorado, Arizona State, Baylor, Oklahoma State,

642
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: Kansas State, and Utah. That is sixteen teams. I would

643
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: like for you to take the eighteen of the ACC

644
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: I need you to add for me. Please start big twelve,

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00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: no numbers till the end, please, Okay. The next conference

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Speaker 1: we'll bring into the equation is the Big Ten Michigan, Nebraska,

647
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Speaker 1: Michigan State, Illinois, Wisconsin, bree Ucla, Ohio State, Iowa, Indiana, Minnesota, Washington, USC, Rutgers,

648
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Speaker 1: Northwestern Oregon, Maryland, Penn State. That is eighteen schools. If

649
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: you could, please, Eddie, add eighteen in your left hand

650
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Speaker 1: column or right hand column, whichever it might be. And

651
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: then the last conference that we'll go to is that

652
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Speaker 1: of the Mighty SEC. Not as mighty as it used

653
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Speaker 1: to be it would seem, but still very good and

654
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Speaker 1: in particular in basketball rising. The Southeastern Conference contains Florida, Alabama, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Texas,

655
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Speaker 1: a and M Georgia, Kentucky, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, Auburn, Mississippi State,

656
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Speaker 1: South Carolina, Old Misson LSU. That is sixteen teams. If

657
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Speaker 1: if you could of the schools that I just mentioned

658
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Speaker 1: in your column, you have four numbers in that column, correct, Eddie, Yes,

659
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: could you please add those together and tell me the

660
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Speaker 1: number you come up with? Sixty eight? Excuse me, sixty

661
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Speaker 1: eight sixty eight. So wait a minute, are you telling

662
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Speaker 1: me that the four conferences in college basketball that are

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Speaker 1: considered the power for the four conferences in college basketball

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Speaker 1: that are most financially backed by football prowess, the Atlantic

665
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Speaker 1: Coast Conference, the Big Twelve, the Big Ten in the SEC.

666
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Speaker 1: Are you telling me that if they decided hypothetically to

667
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Speaker 1: form their own tournament of just those four teams conferences

668
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: you mean, are those four conferences if they said, you

669
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Speaker 1: know what it's like Thomas Jefferson in England in fast times.

670
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: If the ACC, the Big Twelve, the Big Ten in

671
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: the Sea said, look, this NCAA plays is bogus. So

672
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: if we don't get a cool tournament ourselves, pronto, will's

673
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: be bogus. Took the NCAA is terrified, terrified of those

674
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Speaker 1: schools breaking away and forming their own tournament. So they

675
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: are expanding to seventy six teams. Not so that thirty

676
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: one win Miami can feel confident it's going to get

677
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: in a large Not so that the movaw can become

678
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Speaker 1: a three team or two team league to the tournament.

679
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: It's because teams like Auburn that are barely over five

680
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: hundred jumped up and down until the cows came home

681
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Speaker 1: that they belonged to the tournament and then won the

682
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Speaker 1: NIT to try to prove it. The NCAA is expanding

683
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Speaker 1: to seventy six teams, not because they want to continue

684
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Speaker 1: to let Cinderella wear her slipper, but rather because they're

685
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: afraid that if they don't act now, they're gonna get

686
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: caught sleeping. And those four teams have the ability, the money,

687
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Speaker 1: the power, and the numbers to secede and break away

688
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: and do their own thing. So this allows them to

689
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Speaker 1: bring even eight more teams into the fold. And if

690
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Speaker 1: you think it is to make sure that you're bringing

691
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Speaker 1: in Miami and Akron, or that you're bringing in Drake

692
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: and Northern Iowa, rather it's to make sure that you're

693
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Speaker 1: including Indiana, Oklahoma and Auburn, because you need to keep

694
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: those four happy. Because our little exercise just proved that

695
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: they have the numbers to be able to equate to

696
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Speaker 1: exactly what it was last night that we celebrated in

697
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: our one shining moment, a tournament of sixty eight teams.

698
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: They could do it on their own, and then you

699
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: could have tournament that's like, Hey, here's the winner of

700
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Speaker 1: the big tournament we have between the Mountain West, Big

701
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: West and Big East winners. Steven Holder. Next, good looking

702
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: Tuesday outside. And the good news is my sources tell

703
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: me that starting tomorrow, big warm up on the way,

704
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: big warm up on the way. And this is the

705
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: last day that like that. You know that time of

706
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: year where you get up in the morning and you

707
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: got to put on a hoodie and a jacket, and

708
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: then by the later in the day you're like, whoa,

709
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: it's burning up out here. I actually have no idea

710
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: whether or not tomorrow is the start of a warm up,

711
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: but my phone says it's supposed to be warmer. Of course,

712
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm only going to mention this every day between now

713
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: and when it happens. But a matter of fact, i'd

714
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Speaker 1: like to know this now. My cell phone number is

715
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Speaker 1: three one seven five two three ninety two eighty eight. Okay,

716
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: three one seven five two three ninety two eighty eight.

717
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to lean on the listeners here to guide

718
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Speaker 1: me in this direction. And then I'm gonna make my

719
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: own decision. Okay, I think I'm probably in an audience

720
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Speaker 1: of one on this, but I mentioned and I know

721
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Speaker 1: Steven Holder, we're going to bring on here. As matter

722
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Speaker 1: of fact, I'll bring Steven Holder on here to begin

723
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: with this question. And I need you, folks, the listeners,

724
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: to text me whether or not I'm going to ask

725
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: a question at the end of this and I need

726
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: listeners to send me their answer. Now, Steven Holder, I'm

727
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna let you be the judge and jury here to

728
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: begin with for this question that I'm then going to

729
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: ask to the audience as well. Are you ready?

730
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: It sounds like a big responsibility, but I am ready,

731
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned yesterday several times. Last year, when I was

733
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: at the IndyCar Race in Long Beach, I met Christopher Knight.

734
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: Completely serendipitously met Christopher Knight, who is the actor that

735
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: portrayed Peter Brady on The Brady Bunch. Okay, now, I

736
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: watched The Brady Bunch after like as a kid, all

737
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Speaker 1: the time. I even when I did a radio show

738
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: in high school, I did Impossible Brady Bunch Trivia, which

739
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: the same three people shockingly were the only three that participated.

740
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: But so when I met Christopher Knight, he says to me, oh, man,

741
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: next year on race weekend, hit me up ahead of time,

742
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: and I'll take you to the Brady Bunch House that's

743
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: now been renovated as an exact replica of the radioch house.

744
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll take you by the house where it

745
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: was filmed, and I'll show you around and we'll do

746
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: videos and have fun with it and whatever else. And

747
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: of course people say that and they're being folksy, and

748
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: of course I get his phone number and follow up

749
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: and then send him a thing like all right, I'm

750
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: coming back for the race. Are we on? And he's like, yeah,

751
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: actually we are. Let's do it. So we have this

752
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: big grandio so plan where We're going to go to

753
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch House and I'm going to be with

754
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: the guy that played Peter Brady and he's going to

755
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: take me through all the Brady Bunch filming locations. And

756
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: here's my question. I then said to him, I need

757
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: you on the radio show to talk about the great

758
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: adventures that we're about to get into, and also to

759
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: talk to you about as he and I talked about

760
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch connection to the Indianapolis five hundred back

761
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: in the early seventies. Now my question is that you

762
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: know we're talking about stuff from fifty years ago. Okay,

763
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: So is this should I have on Christopher Knight aka

764
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: Peter Brady. Should I bring him on for a segment

765
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: on the show to talk about the Brady Bunch and

766
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: King's Island and the Hawaiian episode and the Indianapolis five

767
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: hundred connection of the Brady Bunch and to preview my

768
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: big trip through the house? Steven Hold, are your thoughts

769
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: yes or no?

770
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you're selling this pretty well. I

771
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: think I'm now curious. I now feel invested. I didn't

772
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: know any of this existed five minutes ago, but I

773
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: now feel invested. I think I want to know. I

774
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 3: mean now I am of a certain age too, So listen.

775
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: You know my summer consisted of a lot of Brady

776
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: Bunch episodes when I the kid, Okay, I'm with you

777
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: on that. I mean, I probably have seen every episode.

778
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I'm you know, I don't think

779
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: I'm quite the Brady Bunch fan that you are. But

780
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: who is right?

781
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: Yes? This is this is a revelation that has come

782
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: out of the radio in the last few days. Yes,

783
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: that's correct.

784
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: You do seem to be like, you know, you're you're

785
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: a big fan.

786
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: It seems like and that's cool. Look honestly, groupy, Steven,

787
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: you can say it. Groupye talk about the Colts kicking? Yeah?

788
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 3: Right, I mean how many how many channels did we

789
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Speaker 3: have like.

790
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty four?

791
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

792
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: That's summer was. I know, we're getting way in the

793
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 3: weeds here, but summer was Brady Bunch, Gilligan's Island. What

794
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: else I dream of?

795
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 5: Genie?

796
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: There was nothing that irked me more than when they

797
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: would take either Gilligan's Island or The Brady Bunch and

798
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: occasionally drop them out of rotation for a season for

799
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: reruns of Green Acres or Hazel Like Hazel May. Yeah,

800
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: both those shows made me.

801
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: Also, the Beverly Hillbillies didn't need it.

802
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I don't. I'm with you there, Okay, give

803
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: me the Brady Bunch. So here is Mike. By the way,

804
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: did you ever see the movie? Oh gosh, what was

805
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: the boxing movie? Steven Eddie helped me out Boxing movie

806
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: with Russell Crowe, where he plays the underdog boxer.

807
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 3: This sounds familiar.

808
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: I think it was Russell Crowe, right. I can't believe

809
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: that I just forgot the name. But it's a true story.

810
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: It's a true story, and it's about you know, Max

811
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Speaker 1: Bear was the heavyweight champion that Cinderella Man. I think

812
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: it was called Cinderella Man. So it's it's it's a truth, okay,

813
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: the true story during the Depression era. True story of

814
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: a guy that goes into boxing during the Depression. He

815
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Speaker 1: becomes the Cinderella heavyweight champion the world by knocking out

816
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Speaker 1: Max Bear, who was the absolute, you know, the tyson

817
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: of the era. Anyway, Max Bear's son is the actor

818
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: that portrays Jethrow on the Beverly Hillbillies. So there's your

819
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: sports tie in. So my question for the listening audience

820
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: at three one seven, but go ahead, is this your

821
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: first rodeo on this program, Stephen, I need to know

822
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: from the listening audience. Christopher Knight, yes or no, he's

823
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 1: I'm having him on. I can tell you right now.

824
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: But do I have like, are you would you as

825
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: the listener? Are you interested in me talking with Peter

826
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: Brady about his time as Peter Brady and then previewing

827
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Speaker 1: the big trip that we're going to take together. There's

828
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Speaker 1: my question for the audience. Please text me your answer. Okay, Steven.

829
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Speaker 1: With that all said, let's say.

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Speaker 3: I think, based on based on your answer, I think

831
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 3: you know when you should actually air this interview, like

832
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Speaker 3: should you do it like when the ratings get measured,

833
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: or should you do it like.

834
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Speaker 1: You know, listen, I don't want to do it when

835
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Speaker 1: the ratings get measured because that'll be an unfair to

836
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: towards my advantage. And then everybody will you know what

837
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean? And and by the way, I don't know

838
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: if you know this or not, but I never declared it.

839
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: I never declared it, Steven. But there are others that

840
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: declared the ratings war against me, like two years ago,

841
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: and they ain't around in order to be able to

842
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: take advantage of anything that might happen with my Peter

843
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: Brady thing, because that war was won, not the battle.

844
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Speaker 1: But I digress, so so sad, so sad.

845
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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 1: Having said all of that, here's my question for you

847
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: regarding the Colts, the Shaquille Leonard. We talked about it

848
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: a little bit yesterday as well, but the whole situation

849
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: with Shaquille Shaquille Leonard, Darius Leonard, and Eric Ebron you were,

850
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: was that of surprise to you that that topic would

851
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: come into play?

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00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess anything is as possible when Eric

853
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 3: Ebron's involved in terms of, you know, the topic that

854
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 3: might get broached. But in terms of the accuracy, there

855
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: were some issues there for sure. I, as you can imagine,

856
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: having covered that in depth, know a lot about that

857
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 3: Andrew Luck situation and and a lot of details, some

858
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Speaker 3: of which have been reported, some of which you know,

859
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 3: we're told to me in confidence. And I am one

860
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 3: hundred percent sure that he is at minimum grossly exaggerating,

861
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: if not outright just telling a fabrication. Here's the bottom

862
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 3: you're I'm talking about. In reference to the Andrew Luck

863
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: person of the story, there was, uh and maybe we

864
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: can touch on this if you wish. There was also

865
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: Sequille Leonard's version of his departure, and you know that

866
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 3: I think we can address as well. There's some there's

867
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 3: some details in there that you know, I maybe take

868
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 3: issue with, but as it relates to the Andrew Luck

869
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: part of that story, and which essentially was that Chris

870
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 3: Ballard and company and or Jim Irsey pressured Andrew Luck

871
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: to come back, gave him an ultimatum as to as

872
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 3: to when he needed to get back, or they were

873
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 3: quote moving on. Listen, I can tell you with absolute

874
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: certainty not true. In fact, I will just leave you

875
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 3: with this. There were instances well before Andrew Luck made

876
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: his decision to retire where there were things that he

877
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: said that highly suggested in retrospect that he was maybe

878
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: thinking about a different career path.

879
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: So the okay, the thing about Shaq Leonard to me

880
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: that was eyebrow raising was the fact that he insinuated

881
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: that the Colts unfairly wrote off his playing career and

882
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: yet and that he could still play even though the

883
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: Colts thought he couldn't. But yet he went to another

884
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: franchise and then very shortly thereafter retired because he couldn't

885
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: play any And when I say he couldn't play anymore,

886
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean physically speaking, his body didn't cooperate with him.

887
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: So the you know, the situation kind of defied what

888
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: it was that he was saying.

889
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: Right, I think that's true. I mean I remember he

890
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: went to the Eagles after his departure from the Coles.

891
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 3: And if you recall, you know, they were they had

892
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 3: a ton of defensive injuries in Philly at the time,

893
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: and and he did play initially, and once they got healthy,

894
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 3: he never saw the field never, And I think it

895
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 3: spoke more to their their desperation because of their injury

896
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 3: situation than it did to you know, them wanting to

897
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 3: have Jack Leonard on their team.

898
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 4: So you know, he.

899
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 3: Served the purpose for them for a very brief time.

900
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: And then once they got healthy. Remember that playoff game

901
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: they played that year in Tampa Bay where the Eagles

902
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 3: got absolutely demolished. He never saw the field and they

903
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 3: were getting mollywoped, okay, and he did not see the field.

904
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 3: So I think that kind of gives you a good

905
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 3: example of where his career was headed at that point.

906
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: You know, I consider myself to have at times a

907
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: rather vast lexicon, But I don't believe I've heard that

908
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: word before. Did you say, can you spell that? I

909
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: was it molly wopped or molly walked? How did that go?

910
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a big jay journalism word, obviously,

911
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: you know, can you spell that for me? So it's

912
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 3: so big, I don't think it's in a Dictionary.

913
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 1: And is it wopped or walked?

914
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 3: Now that's a fair question and I don't know the answer.

915
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: Okay.

916
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: Uh you know, I really thought through my use of

917
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 3: that term.

918
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: I like it though. I like it. Steven, let me

919
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: ask you when you when you first got into journalism,

920
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: your first job was at what your first like and

921
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't mean like interning whatever, use I mean your

922
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: first big boy, I'm getting a paycheck job was where?

923
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 3: Uh So I was very fortunate. My first opportunities came

924
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 3: at the Miami Herolds.

925
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Miami Harri.

926
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 3: Because I started working there through college and facts.

927
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: Okay, so when you're at the Miami Herald and you

928
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: went into the Miami Herald, and I'm sure and there's

929
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: a reason and a point I'm making here, and anybody listening,

930
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: no matter what line of work you're in, whether you're

931
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: a construction worker, whether you're an architect, a lawyer, you know,

932
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, I think all people can relate

933
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: to this. When you look back on your first job,

934
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: everything it was like the first day of school. You

935
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: didn't want anybody to know. You were kind of terrified.

936
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: You really didn't. Everything looked differently than it did after

937
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: a while because things were moving faster. The room looked bigger,

938
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: all of it, and there was somebody in within that job.

939
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: And I want to know who it is for you, Steven,

940
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: there was somebody that was an elder that you looked

941
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: up to that kind of took you under their wing,

942
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: whether they even knew it or not, because you just

943
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: trusted them and felt comfortable and knew that so long

944
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: as you kind of looked after them or stayed close

945
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: to them, that you could find your way and things

946
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: just felt a little safer. Now, who was that person

947
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: for you when you were at the Miami Herald, Oh.

948
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: There's no question. It was my first editor, Bill Van Smith,

949
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: who was still with us thankfully he's getting up there.

950
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 3: But Bill Van Smith was a legendary high school reporter

951
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 3: at the Miami Herald. I think he started like in

952
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: the seventies, and he ran all the high school coverage,

953
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: high school sports coverage, and like it was his it

954
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 3: was like his personal like it was his baby, you know.

955
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 3: He treated he treated it like it was like it

956
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: was professional sports and it was the most important thing

957
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 3: to him. So he he taught me like the value

958
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 3: of like keeping the relationships with people and keeping people happy.

959
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 3: If the tennis coach from I don't know, Braddock High

960
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 3: School called and said, you know, we left their results

961
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 3: out on Thursday, Well he's going to run it again

962
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 3: the next day, just to make sure that everybody was content,

963
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: you know. And so Bill was, yeah, he first, he

964
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 3: gave me my first opportunity, and he kept giving me

965
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 3: opportunities even when I screwed up, which is which is

966
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 3: I guess. I don't know good or bad, but I

967
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 3: don't know if I earned him. But I'm glad you

968
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 3: did do that.

969
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: By the way, Braddock High School. Funny you mentioned that

970
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: James Braddock was the name of the boxer that Russell

971
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: Crowe played in Cinerella. Man. It just came to me

972
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: when you said that, not the name, but here's why.

973
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: Of course, that's what we do on the show. So

974
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: and believe me. Sometimes it's about like this circle that

975
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: goes around the moon right now, for that group, it

976
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: feels like it takes ten days. But that's okay, Stephen.

977
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: The reason I mention it. So you're at the Miami

978
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: Herald and Bill Van Smith. From the get go, you

979
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: walk in and at times you feel like you don't

980
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: even belong but Bill van Smith makes you feel comfortable

981
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: and allows you to navigate through and slow things down. Okay,

982
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: ironic or surprising because the relationship would be that of

983
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: being the superior. But is it possible that in the

984
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: first year of autonomy as an owner, that carl ers

985
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: Gordon actually saw Chris Ballard as her Bill van Smith

986
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: that as she was. And I don't mean that condescenilarly

987
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: towards her in any way, shape or form, but for

988
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: the very first year, now with the loss of her

989
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: father and familiarity and comfort level of knowing that that

990
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: guiding force was always there, and now all of a

991
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: sudden she's walking into the building and things are different

992
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: and the role is different, and it looks and feels different,

993
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: but she finds comfort in at least knowing that she

994
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: has like a big brother there that can guide her through,

995
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 1: and that stabilizing force is Chris Ballard. Any chance, that's

996
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: the dynamic.

997
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 3: So I think the question is a reasonable question. I

998
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: think where where might be true in this situation. In

999
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 3: a lot of places, I would say I maybe don't

1000
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 3: know that it's the case as much here. And here's

1001
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 3: why I think most ownership situations you do not have

1002
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: someone that is as intimately and deeply involved with running

1003
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 3: the football team as carlier A. Gordon, And I mean

1004
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 3: even like legitimate you know, one hundred percent owners, They

1005
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 3: tend to take a back seat to a great degree.

1006
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: They certainly are not as present as she is. She

1007
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 3: having immersed herself in every aspect of the organization, you know,

1008
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 3: whether it was her work in a ticket office when

1009
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 3: she was like, you know, twenty years old or whatever,

1010
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 3: she has learned the ropes. It doesn't mean that you

1011
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 3: have a full understanding of everything. She will still often

1012
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 3: defer to Chris Ballard on a lot of questions right

1013
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,959
Speaker 3: when we start talking about the roster and very specific things,

1014
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 3: which she should probably do them anyway, with whoever the

1015
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 3: GM is. But in terms of having an understanding and

1016
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 3: having instincts about how things should work, I think she's

1017
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 3: in a pretty good place there.

1018
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: It does.

1019
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 3: It is a benefit no matter how much you understand

1020
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 3: things and how well versed you are, it is a

1021
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: benefit to have an experienced general manager who knows the ropes,

1022
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 3: even if you think that person has made some questionable

1023
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 3: decisions on the day to day stuff, right, It is

1024
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 3: definitely a benefit to have an experienced GM who has

1025
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 3: done it year after year, So I have no doubt

1026
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,959
Speaker 3: that his experience in the job. And I'm talking about

1027
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 3: like the granular stuff of the job, right that helps

1028
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 3: carli Ers Gordon and her sisters. There's no question about that. Now,

1029
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 3: could they do it with a different general manager at

1030
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 3: clean House and do it with the general manager? Yes,

1031
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 3: I believe they could, and I don't think they would

1032
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 3: miss much of a beat because they have given themselves

1033
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 3: that education and from the ground floor up. So that's

1034
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 3: a good thing to your Colts fan. They get it, Stephen.

1035
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: I know Chris Ballard has said, hey, we've done this

1036
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 2: before of not drafting in the first round, but this

1037
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: is the first time since Ballard has taken over. And

1038
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 2: I want to give Kevin Bowen a little credit here

1039
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: because I know he's been really harping on this. If

1040
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: you look at the draft class history for Chris Ballard,

1041
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 2: in the years that they did not have a first

1042
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 2: round pick, they at least had multiple seconds or multiple thirds.

1043
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: This year that is simply not the case. And I

1044
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: know Ballard's already hinted at trading back. Can they afford

1045
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: to trade back given the need at linebacker at edge rush.

1046
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: Is that worth it in their opinion, just to get

1047
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: an extra pick or two.

1048
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I mean I think back to

1049
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 3: make your point or to solidify your point, I think

1050
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 3: back to the twenty twenty draft right where they get

1051
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 3: I mean basically two first round talents and Michael Pittman

1052
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 3: and Jonathan Taylor back to back in the second round.

1053
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 3: And you know you can do that. Hey, because they

1054
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 3: had early first round picks, I'm sorry, early second rounders

1055
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 3: that should say so that matters this year? Their first

1056
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 3: pick not till forty seven there, I'm trying to remember.

1057
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 3: I think they traded out or was that that might

1058
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 3: have been the Forest Buckner year. It's all runny. To

1059
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 3: get the point is they had they had more to

1060
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 3: work with there. I think here having that single second

1061
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 3: rounder at number forty seven, it doesn't feel like you

1062
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 3: have as many options. I think that is going to

1063
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 3: be a debate for them. I think if they feel

1064
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 3: like their their emphasis is more on getting getting you

1065
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 3: know numerous players that can that can help their depth,

1066
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 3: or if their goal is to get a potential high

1067
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 3: level player, then you or if they think one's available,

1068
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: then you stay if you if you think maybe that

1069
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: player is not available and you need to go the

1070
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 3: route of getting value, then trading down then becomes a

1071
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 3: viable option. And with Chris Ballady, it's always on the table.

1072
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 3: So I know no one wants to hear that, but

1073
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 3: I do think it's fair to talk about it because

1074
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 3: he as a history of doing it and the situation

1075
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 3: may suggest that it makes some sense this year. So

1076
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 3: we'll have to see. It will really just depend on

1077
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 3: how that first day goes and how they I think

1078
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 3: Day two is playing out, But it's always on the

1079
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 3: table at Chris Ballard and I would get the logic

1080
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 3: if they did it.

1081
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: Back in that Jonathan Taylor draft, they had an extra third,

1082
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 2: that's why they were able to trade up into the

1083
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 2: second round to go get Taylor and whatever that. Behind

1084
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: the scenes the Colts video that they did, Jim Mersey

1085
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: was on the Zoom call. He goes, you guys have

1086
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 2: not stopped talking about this Jonathan Taylor guy. Go up

1087
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 2: and get him, Which brings me to this next point.

1088
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: If there was a guy that Chris Ballard absolutely loves

1089
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 2: like last year was justin Walling and he said he

1090
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 2: couldn't leave the draft without taking Justin Walley and they're

1091
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: on the board at forty seven and they see him

1092
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 2: at forty two. Are they going to be in a

1093
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 2: position to where they can afford to trade up five

1094
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 2: spots and give up a pig either this year or

1095
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: even next year to go get a guy that they

1096
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 2: really really like.

1097
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 3: And that gets tough. It's a good question. It gets tough.

1098
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 3: I think you have to decide, you know, how much

1099
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 3: do you need those mid rounders. I think that would

1100
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be super expensive to do something like that,

1101
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, to go up six or seven spots, that

1102
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 3: that's very doable. But you know, depending on who's still

1103
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 3: on the board, you know, teams may have multiple trade options,

1104
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 3: and if they do, then it gets more expensive. Right,

1105
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,919
Speaker 3: So I really think it's they don't have as much

1106
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 3: luxury this year as they as they prefer to have.

1107
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 3: There's no question about that. So, I mean they're hypotheticals.

1108
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 3: Who knows, but but I do think that scenario you

1109
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,919
Speaker 3: painted it will be more challenging than when you have

1110
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 3: a surplus of picks. I always I always lean toward

1111
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 3: Chris Ballard moving down rather than moving up. Now when

1112
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 3: he has traded up it's been in the second round

1113
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,959
Speaker 3: in large part, so that's certainly an option. But this year,

1114
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 3: just given the lack the resources they have, I lean

1115
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 3: towards trading down if he does. If he makes a

1116
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 3: move at all.

1117
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: Steven, I'm going to incorporate one of my impossible Brady

1118
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: Bunch of trivia questions for you. Okay, I actually I

1119
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: think mentioned this on the air a couple of weeks ago,

1120
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: so you know, and I know that you might be

1121
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: behind on your you know podcast listening, right, so maybe

1122
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: you missed it. There is the episode where Greg Brady

1123
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: realizes that Jerry Rodgers, the rat Fink quarterback from Fairview,

1124
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: is flirting with Marcia in an attempt to get the

1125
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: playbook from the kitchen counter of the Brady Bunch house

1126
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: because they're getting ready to play Westdale in the Big

1127
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: Conference championship game. Okay, I don't know if you recall

1128
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: this episode or not.

1129
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 3: Only I have only a vague recollection of this episode.

1130
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 3: How familiar but so.

1131
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: So thank you. So Jerry Rodgers ends up swiping the playbook,

1132
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: but of course Bobby is Johnny on the scene and

1133
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: realizes this happens, so they know that, so they actually

1134
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: put out a fake playbook. Jerry Rodgers steals a fake playbook. Now,

1135
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: Mike Brady, being the scrupulous man that he is, you know,

1136
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: because he's an architect in life as well as buildings,

1137
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: he says to the guys, listen, you need to let

1138
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: Jerry Rodgers know it's a fake playbook because you need

1139
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: to win the game fair and square. So Greg calls

1140
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 1: Jerry Rodgers at his house and says, look, the book's

1141
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: a phony. Then Jerry says, Greg, you're the phony. But

1142
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: it's nineteen seventy one, I believe when that episode was done.

1143
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: And Jerry Rogers in his bedroom has two NFL posters

1144
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: on the wall behind him, both of which franchises that

1145
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: no longer are in the city that are on the

1146
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 1: posters behind him. What two franchises does Jerry Rodgers have

1147
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: hanging in his bedroom in nineteen seventy one?

1148
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 3: Wow? Which players?

1149
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: They're just generic posters of the team. They have the

1150
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: helmet and then like generic illustrations of a football player.

1151
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: All right, seventies very seventies posts?

1152
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:02,919
Speaker 3: Is one the Raiders?

1153
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: The Raiders is indeed correct, Oakland Raiders is indeed correct.

1154
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: Now you're halfway there.

1155
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 3: What is the other franchise, eh, Houston Oilers. Nah, I

1156
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 3: don't know if they were around back then.

1157
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: Great guests. Keep it. Keep in mind, keep in mind

1158
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: where Fairview and Westdale, what city they lived in? Keep

1159
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: in mind keep in mind where the Brady bunch of

1160
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: where the Brady's lived.

1161
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 3: Gotcha? Uh, San Diego Chargers.

1162
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: Okay, another excellent guest, I was trying to throw you

1163
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: down the wrong path. There the correct answer, by the way,

1164
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Colts, the Baltimore Colts. I was just trying

1165
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: to throw you off there. Baltimore Colts and Oakland, all right,

1166
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: I got you. I got Jerry Rodgers a fan of

1167
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: those two teams.

1168
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 3: Now.

1169
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: I will also let you know from a football standpoint,

1170
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: there was the episode where Carrol had during homecoming for

1171
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: the Big matter of fact, same episode for the Big Game,

1172
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: same episode, Tank, the old football star from Westdale, comes

1173
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: back to visit and recounts to Mike and Carroll his

1174
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 1: football heroics. That the guy that played Tank actually was

1175
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: born in Bloomington and his dad was an athletic director

1176
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: and coach at Indiana University. There you go in real life.

1177
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 3: Now, that is a hell of a lot of information.

1178
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: But I'm impressed, Steven, and I'll leave it with this.

1179
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: When you get done with these the Dog and Pony Show,

1180
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: that is this program. Do you ever, actually, then, when

1181
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,759
Speaker 1: you sit down for dinner at night, think to yourself,

1182
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really lucky to be a part of

1183
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: that roller coaster ride.

1184
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 3: I often, you know, yes, I do, actually, And you

1185
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 3: know I often have the same feeling that I did

1186
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 3: after talking to the late great jim Ers. And what

1187
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 3: I mean by that is he would drop these random

1188
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 3: facts on you and you'd be like, there is no

1189
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 3: way that that is true. That is absolutely false. And

1190
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 3: I would find myself going to Google and like, all right,

1191
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 3: did this actually happened? And he'd be right to some

1192
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 3: degree most of the time, including the time he mentioned

1193
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 3: that the Baltimore Colts lost a game at Three Rivers

1194
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 3: Stadium in Pittsburgh and after the game, a Sessna crashed

1195
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 3: into the upper deck of the stadium, and I think

1196
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 3: it was Mike Walls and I or maybe Zach Keifer,

1197
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 3: and we looked at each other like, there's no way

1198
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 3: that's true, absolutely true. So fun fact of the day,

1199
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 3: Assessna crashed into the upper deck of Three Rivers Stadium

1200
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 3: after a Colts game against the Pitts Christina.

1201
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: You know, there might be three to one odds that

1202
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,799
Speaker 1: that Baltimore Colts poster that was in Jerry Rogers' bedroom

1203
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: on the Brady Bunch set is actually was part of

1204
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: the Er set collection. And that's entirely possible.

1205
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 7: By the way, it is possible now the they when

1206
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 7: you talk about like Jim or say, and the things

1207
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 7: that he would recall if it came to the Colts

1208
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 7: and football at SCELF.

1209
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question that the guy was

1210
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: an almanac, right, I mean that that is I think

1211
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: we can safely say that, right.

1212
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 3: No, No, his his recollection and appreciation for like just

1213
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 3: random history is incredible, I mean incredible, and I think

1214
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 3: it's reflected in the collection. And also just like I

1215
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 3: said in conversation with him, I mean his ability. Listen,

1216
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 3: the guy was quirky and he had a lot going on,

1217
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:29,799
Speaker 3: and listen, he wasn't very he was not very mindful

1218
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 3: of his of his sensibilities, you know, because of his habits. Right,

1219
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 3: But I would say this, he he had an amazing recall,

1220
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 3: amazing recall and his appreciation for like fun facts and

1221
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 3: things like that. I mean, I'm telling you, without fail,

1222
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 3: I would find myself walking out of the room and

1223
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 3: being like, where's my phone? I got to google this?

1224
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 3: So I'm telling you really really intriguing, and I do

1225
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 3: miss some of those conversations. They were fun.

1226
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I said that, my my thought is and

1227
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: my hope is that doing this show, like talking to

1228
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: the late great Jim Mersey, was like riding a roller coaster.

1229
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: Not to be confused, for example, with the racer that

1230
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: the Brady's raced at the end of the Brady Bunch

1231
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 1: episode in nineteen seventy three. Steven appreciate the time as always,

1232
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: the closest I'll get.

1233
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 3: That's right, we're talking to gym again.

1234
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: I guess NFL Draft April twenty third. We'll talk to

1235
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: Stephen between now and then. Appreciate the time as always, Stephen,

1236
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: you got it. I Stephen Holder joining us on the

1237
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: guest line. By the way, NBA tonight it is the

1238
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: Minnesota Timberwolves. Anthony Edwards in the gang at the field house.

1239
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: What do the Pacers need to make sure they do?

1240
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: And we can always play that fun game. Who in

1241
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: the world is that on the floor. We will take

1242
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: a look at who's in and who's out next. Okay,

1243
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:53,480
Speaker 1: So Pacers and Action tonight taking on the Minnesota Timberwolves

1244
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: at Gambridge Field House. Technically it kind of has the

1245
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: feel of the Noblesville Boom. But over the course of

1246
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: this year, many of the players, I mean, you know,

1247
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: we've seen and seen good games from a lot of

1248
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: those guys that have opportunity here, Eddie, I would like

1249
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: for you to tell me. You have in front of

1250
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: you the injury list. How many are out for the Pacers?

1251
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: How many are listed is out? And I'm not counting

1252
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: Tyrese Haliberg not.

1253
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 2: Counting, Okay? Are you counting Johnny Furphy? Obviously he's not

1254
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 2: playing because with the torn acl right, Yeah, that's okay.

1255
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 2: So outside the obvious ones that have been out for

1256
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 2: let's say weeks, there are one, two, three, four, just

1257
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: four outside of the obvious players that have been out

1258
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: for the last two weeks.

1259
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew and Imhard he's out right, Yeah, he's out. Okay, with.

1260
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: Injury slash, illness, thoracic and lumbar injury management.

1261
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: I've had I'm not gonna lie to you, I've had

1262
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 1: lumbar management for a while now, Okay, Aaron Nesmith, he's

1263
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: out with a cervical strain. O cervical yeah, can we

1264
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: look that up? The cervical strain that sounds pain? Okay,

1265
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,480
Speaker 1: sounds less than desirable. Can you look up ervicle strain?

1266
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: That'st ralph or you for about this.

1267
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 2: It's a common neck injury that occurs when the muscles

1268
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: and tendons in the neck are stretched or torn.

1269
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: Well, that's another thing that I've had for a while.

1270
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 2: Symptimes may include pain, stiffness, and difficulty moving the head

1271
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 2: or neck.

1272
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: Okay. Pascal Siakam, okay, he.

1273
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 2: Is out tonight with left ankle sprain.

1274
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: Oh well, wait a minute, there's another one. Are you

1275
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: counting Zubots on this list?

1276
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 2: I am not counting Zubots a part of the four

1277
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 2: because he's been out right.

1278
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So, and what was SACOM's injury again? The left

1279
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: ankle spring? Okay.

1280
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: So you have Pascal Siakami, Smith, Andrew Nimhart out. You've

1281
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: got one player left.

1282
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: This becomes tricky. There are a couple that could come

1283
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: into play here. Allow me to ask if I could

1284
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: this question for you, Eddie, Is this a player who

1285
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: has missed significant time this year already?

1286
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: What is defined significant time?

1287
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: Let's say he has been on it some time, like

1288
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: the you know, the injury list for weeks at a time. Yes,

1289
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: oh he has yes? Okay. Does this player happened to

1290
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 1: share the namesake of a popular science fiction film character? Huh? Okay,

1291
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: So it's not Obi Toppin? No, okay, uh.

1292
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 2: Obi Toppin listed as probable with a right foot injury management.

1293
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with Micah Potter this last one.

1294
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: You know what, he has the last name of a

1295
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: sci fi character.

1296
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 2: Also, he hasn't been on the injury report for I

1297
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:09,600
Speaker 2: was thinking that.

1298
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: I was thinking that. Okay, but he does have something

1299
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: going on right now? Okay, this last but I'll go

1300
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: with Ben Shepherd. Ben Shepherd is questionable with the right

1301
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: hip spring. You know what. Silly me, silly me, I'm sorry,

1302
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 1: I forgot. Oftentimes, when somebody goes through a situation, for example,

1303
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: with lumbard injury, they might need assistance from a walker.

1304
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Jerris Walker for them.

1305
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 2: He is questionable with a sacrel contusions me, excuse me,

1306
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: sacrel contusion and hold on, excuse me?

1307
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: Can we look up what this means please A sacrel contusion? Yeah, yeah,

1308
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 1: speaking of needing a walker A sacrel contusion? What exactly

1309
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: are we talking about here? I'd like to know there

1310
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: are more medical terms one can use, right. What is

1311
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: the sacral contusion?

1312
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 2: It's a bruise of the sacral bone, often caused by trauma,

1313
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 2: resulting in deep pain.

1314
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: Where's the sacle bone? Can we look up where the

1315
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: sacra bone is? Please? I need to know. Can you

1316
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 1: please look up for me where the sacral bone is? Exactly?

1317
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we are medically accurate here.

1318
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: Where's the sacral bone?

1319
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 2: The sacrum is a triangular bone located at the base

1320
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 2: of the spine, Okay, wedged between the two hip bones

1321
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 2: and above the.

1322
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 1: Cocsicks the what the cocsis? Okay, listen, this is a

1323
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: family programmating, but I'm just telling you right now for

1324
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: the sake of the discussion. Akay, the tailbone? If I

1325
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: thank you. If it were me, if I had an

1326
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: what's the injury again?

1327
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 2: A uh, sacral contusion?

1328
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: If I have a sacral contusion, I would like the

1329
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: injury report to simply say, bruise tailbone. How hard is that? Bruce? Tailbone?

1330
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: So I have not yet gotten to the last player. Correct,

1331
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: That would be correct?

1332
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh, the cosix is the tailbone, not the sacral

1333
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: then okay.

1334
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: Then then when we're talking about those two things, we

1335
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 1: have here, very very finite syllabic things that we need

1336
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: to keep taking any consideration here.

1337
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 2: I don't know how they figure out it's the sacrilee.

1338
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: I think you just call it the tailbone and not

1339
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: the one size fits well. Listen, all I know is

1340
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: all of it right now is creating what I would

1341
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: call tension. So I just go with bruce tailbone. That

1342
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: is perfectly sufficient for me. I need not know more.

1343
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 2: Who's very very particular on these injury reports.

1344
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: Who's the fourth player?

1345
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 2: The fourth player would be one Timothy John mcconne.

1346
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: I should know that hamsterring right?

1347
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 5: Uh?

1348
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 2: Bilateral hamstring injury management?

1349
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 1: What does exactly the bilateral mean? Lateral twice? That's got

1350
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 1: to be two hamstrings that run laterally alongside one another,

1351
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: is that right?

1352
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 2: Bilateral hamstring problems involve both hamstring muscles and can result

1353
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 2: from sudden contractions, overuse well degenerative tendon conditions, often causing pain, stiffness,

1354
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 2: or weakness.

1355
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: I've got useful thoughts. I now have a bilateral hamstring

1356
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: problem because of the sudden contractions that came with some

1357
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: of the vernacular of the injury that happened before this.

1358
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 2: Guy, I know, Anthony Edwards tonight from Minnesota right knee

1359
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 2: injury management. Jaden McDaniels also will be in street clothes

1360
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 2: with left knee patella tendinopathy.

1361
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: Tendonopathy. Yeah, what does tendinopathy mean? That's a good question.

1362
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 1: That sounds like TJ. McConnell's real name. That's the inflammation

1363
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 1: of the tendons. By the way, it's pronounced sacral. Okay, sacral.

1364
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: I apologize. Well, there's a distinct difference there. Right, For

1365
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: the sake of all of the male listeners, we should

1366
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: make sure that we know the difference between sake and

1367
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 1: sack when it comes to contusion.

1368
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, Jake, I didn't study human anatomy

1369
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: that deep into the I just don't know how to

1370
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 2: pronounce cox sicks.

1371
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, like I said, can we make sure on that?

1372
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 1: Are you sure it's not coke six? I know on

1373
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: that one it's cocsis? Okay, do you know how to

1374
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,799
Speaker 1: spell that? Let me let me if I may try.

1375
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 2: Please, you did finish up second in the Alisonville I was.

1376
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: The Allisonville Elementary School Spelling be runner up. However, we

1377
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 1: got to the C as we did not GETO the CEOs.

1378
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: Uh one more time, please cox sis I'm often called

1379
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: the tailbone. Okay, I will go with CO. That is

1380
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: correct so far, Yes, c h nop.

1381
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 8: Co o.

1382
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: X no, okay, go ahead, c c c y x

1383
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: coc six okay. Now data. Just so you know, they

1384
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: don't even include that word in the script's spelling beet

1385
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: just based on precaution alone, because unlike this program, they

1386
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: had a precautionary meeting ahead of time, just to make

1387
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: sure that they're not making anybody WinCE while driving. That's all.

1388
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 1: It's it's cocacks c. It's a medical term. Jacob okay.

1389
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: But when it comes to that or the sake one

1390
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 1: that you mispronounced and then contusion, huh, it's surprising I

1391
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: didn't sound like this sacral not zack. Yeah, Yes, that

1392
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 1: is correct, Mike de COURSEI mercifully. By the way, coming

1393
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: up top of the hour, did you stay up last

1394
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: night Eddie for one shining moment?

1395
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 4: Sure?

1396
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: Did I think it happened just after midnight? Right happened at.

1397
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 2: Started at eleven fifty nine, finished at twelve o one.

1398
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: Not a bad version of One Shining Moment? Do you remember?

1399
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 2: And then we finally got into that Anthony Davis prank show.

1400
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 1: I saw that I didn't make it through it. Was

1401
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 1: it any good? I don't know. I didn't watch it

1402
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: the one Shining Moment? Does anybody else remember this? There was?

1403
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: That is the classic example. Coca Cola is another example

1404
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: of this when I always say, if it eight broke,

1405
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: don't fix it, and you know I'm of course, to me,

1406
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: it seems like yesterday, I think I still have a

1407
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: can of new Coke. Eddie's eyes got the size of

1408
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 1: silver dollars I can. I said, Okay, do you remember

1409
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 1: the new Coke coke classic phenomenon?

1410
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 8: No?

1411
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty five, I believe I'm correct.

1412
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 2: In the year I was negative thirteen understood.

1413
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: Coca Cola came out with a new formula, a sweeter

1414
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: version of coke, and the can literally said new Coke,

1415
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, what is this? What are we doing?

1416
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: The ultimate came for Coca Cola in terms of the

1417
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: remorse over the move when they somebody labeled it as

1418
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: flat pepsi and that's when Coke it was like, oh, okay,

1419
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: we need to have a discussion here. So they then

1420
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: came back with Coca Cola Classic, which was the original

1421
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: formula for coke, and they phased out the new Coke.

1422
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: And they learned very quickly if people love something, there's

1423
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: no sense and outthinking yourself. And One Shining Moment actually

1424
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: fell victim to that in the early two thousands. I

1425
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 1: want to say, actually the year that Indiana went to

1426
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: the finals against Maryland in two thousand and two, and

1427
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: they did this. They first got away from the original

1428
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: recording of Luther Vandross, which was done by the way

1429
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 1: in one recording, I believe, and he asked for Broadway

1430
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: tickets in exchange. I saw that earlier today. I assume

1431
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 1: that story is correct. But they got way too creative

1432
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: in their editing. And the One Shining Moment, and I

1433
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: think it was two thousand and two, everything was done

1434
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: with like gold swooshes and in all kinds of like

1435
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 1: you know, graphic imaging coming CGI coming all over the place,

1436
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 1: and the basketball bouncing all over the place, and players

1437
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: it was literally it was like a Christmas ornament threw

1438
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: up on your television. That's the only way I can

1439
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: describe it, and everyone was just like, what are we

1440
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 1: doing here? And a couple of years there they had

1441
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: they deviated away from the original audio recording and it

1442
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: was awful. And then finally I think they just said,

1443
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: let's just get back to the basics, and last night's

1444
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: was really good.

1445
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 5: Now.

1446
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: I did notice Fletcher Lawyer was in it. Obviously, the

1447
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: Trey Kaufman ran off, the Braden Smith tip was in it.

1448
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 1: The I thought it was very cool. They included the

1449
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: student broadcaster from High Point, and I thought that was

1450
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: cool for this reason. You know, Adam Alexander who does NASCAR.

1451
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: We've had him on the show for he's now the

1452
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: television or for the NASCAR Exfinity cupp or whichever whatever

1453
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: it's sponsored, is now on the CW. And Adam and

1454
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: I did basketball games together at North Central on the

1455
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: student station, and we did the year that North Central

1456
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,600
Speaker 1: when we were seniors went to the regionals. We broadcasted

1457
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: all the way through the Hinkle semi state and then

1458
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: we applied for credentials. Hold on, Jake, i think I've

1459
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: got audio of that. Give me one second.

1460
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 9: Cardinals come the other way. We've played a minute and

1461
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 9: twenty second. Lord, yet their shack of lands over to

1462
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 9: the right side to hip Hill. Hip Hill being double team.

1463
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 9: George's under pressure. He gets it off out of shack

1464
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 9: of lands, telling my Wayam, what's the off the Greg Black?

1465
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 1: Can we go on the break?

1466
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 9: Black pulls up inside scoop shot, count it and.

1467
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 2: A foul and great, that's me two to nothing.

1468
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,719
Speaker 9: North Sentral jumps out to the early leads. The Panthers

1469
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 9: take the two to nothing leads.

1470
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 1: They still you'll hear Adam here in the second packet is.

1471
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 9: Good and they counted and Greg will go to the line.

1472
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 9: He's got his first two of the night and Nord

1473
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 9: Central draws first one and six twenty eight remaining in

1474
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 9: the first quarter. They good or nothing.

1475
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 10: Well, let's see what the William was there? It was

1476
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 10: Greg Black that created Greg saw the double teat opportunity

1477
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 10: in the corner, a double team him. Pilly throws it away.

1478
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 10: They get it to Greg and what a job leading

1479
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 10: the break. He gets the basket and he's out a

1480
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 10: chance for a three point foint.

1481
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so Adam sounds the same. I think I don't

1482
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: think I sound the same there at all, but we

1483
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:23,560
Speaker 1: as doing that. We then applied for credentials to do

1484
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: the Indiana Kentucky All Star Game, and Pat Aikman was

1485
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: the director at the starback then that issued credentials and

1486
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 1: he he he allowed it, and we were We went

1487
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: down there as high school students to do that game,

1488
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 1: and Eddie, that meant life to me. That was as

1489
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: thrilled and as proud and as excited and as nervous

1490
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,480
Speaker 1: as I've ever been in anything I've ever done in broadcasting.

1491
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 1: And I thought it was And that's what the when

1492
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, the NCAA Tournament is college basketball,

1493
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: and yes it's become now big time business, I get.

1494
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 1: But for them to include the student broadcasters from high

1495
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: Point and their call of high Points when against Virginia,

1496
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:13,520
Speaker 1: I thought was cool because I could appreciate and respect

1497
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: and identify or what's the word I'm looking for, relate to.

1498
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: I could relate to what that mess must have meant

1499
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 1: for those kids.

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01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very similar for me when I was

1501
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 2: in college and you, Indy was playing an exhibition game

1502
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 2: against Butler and I broadcast the game court side from Henkle.

1503
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: Henkl's cool, isn't it. Yeah, I mean to go down

1504
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:35,560
Speaker 1: there now, the only not the only. There are a

1505
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: lot of problems, probably that call that you just played,

1506
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: but I said on the night and that was the

1507
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: regional so that was a morning game. But you just were.

1508
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: We were in such a habit. I had never done

1509
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: a day baseball a day basketball game before, right, Yeah,

1510
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,560
Speaker 1: that sounds nothing like me, though, correct. I'd have to

1511
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: listen to it again. I don't really want to do that. Yeah,

1512
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to listen to it either.

1513
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: Typically I hate my own voice, but that doesn't sound

1514
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 1: like my voice, and so therefore didn't bother me as much.

1515
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: But we had a lot of fun doing that, no

1516
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 1: question about it. Mike DECURSI College Basketball round Up after

1517
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: one Shining Moment is next another year where the curtain

1518
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: comes down on college basketball? And as I talked about

1519
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: last night, the one shining moment and a season that

1520
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: had more than just one. But there's nothing quite like

1521
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament between you know, I think about being

1522
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: at Prime forty seven for you know, the Fast Friday

1523
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: and just watching everybody there to see all the non

1524
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: stop games in round number one, and what's become a

1525
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 1: tradition in being down there with the great folks down

1526
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 1: at Prime forty seven and seeing the excitement for the

1527
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: opening round, and I think about the bracket challenges that

1528
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: take place and everybody talking about, oh my brackets busted.

1529
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 1: And you know, we maybe didn't get that as much

1530
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: this year because you didn't have the first round major shock,

1531
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Virginia being one. But that's a team that

1532
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't necessarily realize how good they

1533
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: were going into the year anyway, And nothing unifies the

1534
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 1: masses like sports. I've always felt that way. I've always

1535
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: said it. You could go to a game and sit

1536
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 1: in the crowd and two people from totally different backgrounds,

1537
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: totally different lines of thinking, totally different socioeconomics. But if

1538
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 1: they root for the same team in a moment and

1539
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: a glimpse, they turn around and they high five to

1540
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 1: one another, or they're jumping up and down together. And

1541
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: that's what sports does. And in an era and a

1542
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:51,600
Speaker 1: lifestyle and a culture right now in this country, that

1543
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 1: and you know, social media is a big part of this,

1544
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 1: but there's so much divisiveness and so much debate. You

1545
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: know the old adage, and there's a lot of truth

1546
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 1: to it on social media that you simply post something

1547
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: that says I love hot dogs and the first reply is,

1548
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:17,639
Speaker 1: why do you hate burgers? And you know, I saw

1549
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: it last night with Michigan winning and holding up a

1550
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 1: sign that said, you know, shocked the world boys or

1551
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: something like that that was held up while they were

1552
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 1: cutting down the nets, and I simply made a joke

1553
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 1: about it, and people were like, dude, how do you

1554
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 1: not know that that's tribute to the eighty nine Michigan team.

1555
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know what, I apologize. I mean,

1556
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,799
Speaker 1: I remember that the eighty nine Michigan team had Loyvot

1557
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: and Terry Mills and Mark Hughes and Glenn Rice and

1558
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: Rameal Robinson and Mike Griffin, and that Bill Frieder had

1559
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 1: left to go to Arizona State and it was going

1560
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 1: to be a Michigan mandalitist and Steve Fisher and they

1561
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 1: Rameal Robinson at two free throws to force overtime against

1562
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: Seaton Hall and they won. I think it was eighty

1563
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: to seventy nine. And that year they lost to Indiana

1564
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: seventy six to seventy five. And I remember a lot

1565
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 1: about the eighty nine Michigan season, but I didn't remember

1566
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 1: that specifically. But even with that, with the divisiveness that

1567
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: comes with it, last night, what we saw during one

1568
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 1: shining moment is the reminder again that this great tournament

1569
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: allows all of us in the human spirit to have

1570
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: our shining moment because we for a month all collectively

1571
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: come together to watch what is the greatest tournament in sport.

1572
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 1: And I hope that we can continue that camaraderie for

1573
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: the remainder of the eleven months, and that would be

1574
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: our shining moment. That should be our challenge. Mike de

1575
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: COURSI covered the Final four last night, and once again

1576
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: Indianapolis hit it out of the park. Mike, I had

1577
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 1: to laugh because at one point, and I didn't disagree

1578
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: with you, you sit a post at one point in

1579
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: the game that said something like, this is the worst

1580
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 1: three minutes of basketball I've seen in a while. When

1581
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 1: there was just a stretch there was kind of ugly.

1582
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: It felt to me like the Connecticut Butler Final from

1583
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: a decade and a half ago, where maybe that's just

1584
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: what happens in the finals, right where players get tense

1585
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 1: and defense ramps up, and it just felt like last

1586
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 1: night that was a game where nobody got truly in

1587
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 1: the flow. But Michigan's depth simply paid off for them.

1588
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: But first off, thanks for joining the show. And you're

1589
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 1: overwhelming or your your I guess your overriding thoughts from

1590
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 1: last evening.

1591
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 8: Well, you know when you said players get tense and

1592
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 8: all that, but you left out officials.

1593
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 4: Let too much go. Yeah, this was not a well

1594
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 4: officiated final four.

1595
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 8: They went backward from where the game had been for

1596
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 8: the other twenty.

1597
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 4: Weeks of the season.

1598
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 8: However long it lasts, it had been the most beautiful basketball.

1599
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:50,879
Speaker 4: Season we had seen. It's the continued progression of freedom

1600
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 4: of movement. The late John.

1601
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 8: Adams, my friend John Adams, who had been the coordinator

1602
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 8: of officials, who tried to get that rock up the

1603
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 8: mountain a deck a little more than a decade ago

1604
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:01,640
Speaker 8: and it kind of.

1605
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 4: Came backward, and then since has been carried forward up

1606
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 4: that hill and they've gotten it to the top of

1607
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:08,799
Speaker 4: the mountain.

1608
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 8: This season was beautiful and the final four was not

1609
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 8: because they allowed I don't know whether it'say they just

1610
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,680
Speaker 8: didn't want to listen to Dan Hurley or what but

1611
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 8: they allowed Keaton Wogler to get pounded, and they allowed

1612
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 8: last night's game to devolve into what it became. And

1613
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 8: they're not entirely to blame for that, but their job

1614
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 8: is to call the game as it had been called

1615
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 8: all year long, and they chose to say, well, you know,

1616
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 8: we don't really want to decide the game here, because when.

1617
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 4: I look up at those two teams and there's maybe

1618
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 4: five minutes.

1619
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 8: Left in the first half or something like that, and

1620
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 8: I look at their personal files team files, and it's

1621
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 8: like three or four, like they're not watching the game

1622
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 8: that I'm watching. And you know, ultimately Solo Ball gets

1623
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 8: four and Silas Emery gets the cute. But it wasn't

1624
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 8: called closely enough for the most part, and that's a

1625
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 8: part of why we.

1626
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 1: Saw what we saw and with that. But at the

1627
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 1: same time, and I don't disagree with any of that, Mike, especially,

1628
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:20,839
Speaker 1: I mean, Wogler had one play in the semi finals

1629
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 1: where I mean, I was like, how do you not

1630
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 1: call that foul on a steal? But was it two

1631
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 1: laxed both ways? In other words, it didn't seem stylistically

1632
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: maybe it favored somebody, but it wasn't like the whistle

1633
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: was swallowed on one end and aggressive on the other. Correct.

1634
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, I'm not accusing that at all. No, no,

1635
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 4: I'm just talking about the tone.

1636
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, it certainly probably favored Yukon to go that way,

1637
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 8: but Michigan can handle themselves. They're physically one of the

1638
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 8: most powerful teams we've seen in college basketball.

1639
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 4: So it wasn't about that. It was about we want

1640
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 4: to watch the game at its.

1641
01:36:56,360 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 8: Best, and like, if you get the NBA, we saw

1642
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 8: this with the Pacers the last two years, it gets

1643
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 8: much more physical, but the players are so good that

1644
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 8: it that it almost needs to be that physical, So

1645
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 8: it's not one seventy five to one seventy at the end.

1646
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 8: And so I don't I don't have a problem with

1647
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 8: that at the NBA because the players are just so

1648
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 8: talented that they.

1649
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 4: Can overcome it.

1650
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,560
Speaker 8: But at the college level they're not, and so I

1651
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:28,839
Speaker 8: think it impedes the ability of the game.

1652
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 4: To proceed as as the entertainment that it should be.

1653
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 4: When you have you had great.

1654
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 8: Games all throughout this tournament that were really cleanly played,

1655
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 8: and then you get to the final four, the semis

1656
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 8: in the final and they're already nervous, and so they're

1657
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 8: gonna misshots on that basis, and then you add in

1658
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 8: the complication that they're being that the game is being

1659
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 8: played as it as if Bob Huggins were coaching against

1660
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 8: Tomas Zoe.

1661
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 4: That's a good way to put it, Mike.

1662
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 1: When you look at Mike Scores is my guest Sporting News,

1663
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 1: of course, where you can read Mike's work in a

1664
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 1: column that I want to get to in a second

1665
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 1: about a new coaching hiring college basketball that you wrote about.

1666
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: But when we look at last night's game Michigan and Connecticut,

1667
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: and you know, sports sometimes can become where programs try

1668
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:20,719
Speaker 1: to replicate what is working somewhere. Connecticut, it goes without saying,

1669
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody knows sensational freshmen and Brayla Mullins they had,

1670
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: you know, in Caraban, a player that came to Connecticut

1671
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 1: when Connecticut was down really and was rewarded with a

1672
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: four great years there. Michigan, on the other hand, somewhat

1673
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 1: by necessity using the transfer portal and nil to get

1674
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:42,720
Speaker 1: themselves a fresh starting five is the happy medium in

1675
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 1: terms of the way that you need to build a

1676
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 1: program kind of between those two or is it going

1677
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 1: to be a variety that we see Mike moving forward.

1678
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 1: As to terms of how coaches decide to build their roster, well, I.

1679
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 8: Think you have to look at Michigan as that you

1680
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 8: mentioned that they brought in the starting five, and although

1681
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 8: Namari Burnett was a transfer, but he's been at Michigan

1682
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:09,880
Speaker 8: for like four years. I mean, he played a lot

1683
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 8: of years because of injury in the COVID year. I

1684
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 8: think he was in college basketball for six seasons, but

1685
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 8: a lot of that time was spent at Michigan.

1686
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 4: And Will Cheddar spent all five of his years at Michigan.

1687
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:25,719
Speaker 8: And Will Cheddar was a really important part of Michigan

1688
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 8: when when they don't I don't know if they showed

1689
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 8: it on television, but at the end of the half,

1690
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 8: the first half of Michigan didn't play great, but they

1691
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:38,639
Speaker 8: are ahead. Will it's Will Cheddar who grabs everybody, all

1692
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 8: the players, reserve starters, everybody, and he's the one talking

1693
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 8: in the huddle about what the standard needs to be

1694
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 8: for the second half. How you know, how they should

1695
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 8: still be confident, how they should look at it like, Okay,

1696
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 8: we didn't play the best, but but we played well

1697
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 8: enough to be ahead, so now let's go play the

1698
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:58,639
Speaker 8: best and all that sort of stuff is coming from

1699
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 8: will that you can't I don't. I mean, maybe somebody's

1700
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 8: gonna someday bring in the you know, uh starting five

1701
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 8: that's equivalent of the Indiana seventy six starting five, and

1702
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 8: they're gonna go out and win every game or close

1703
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:13,680
Speaker 8: to it.

1704
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:18,680
Speaker 4: Maybe that's gonna happen. But I still believe that if

1705
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 4: you had thrown Namari Burnett.

1706
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 8: Out because he wasn't a great player, and you threw

1707
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,640
Speaker 8: will chou Chatter out because he was, you know, the

1708
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 8: an eighth man.

1709
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 4: Uh, if you had thrown L. J. Cason out because

1710
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 4: he wasn't gonna start for you because you.

1711
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 8: Were going to bring in Cado or whatever, if you

1712
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 8: if you do that, I don't think Michigan's holding the

1713
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 8: trophe either.

1714
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,680
Speaker 4: I think that you have to have people in your program.

1715
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 8: Who are committed to the university, committed to the culture

1716
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 8: of their program, and and and love that block Am

1717
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 8: in this case, or the Candy straight Pants in another case,

1718
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,240
Speaker 8: or the you know, the paint crew in another in

1719
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 8: another case. If you don't have those players, I just

1720
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 8: don't think you win the whole thing.

1721
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:06,240
Speaker 1: It is still, Mike, It is simply the best tournament

1722
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 1: in sport, is it not. I mean, there's just so

1723
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: even though we didn't have this year, and maybe for

1724
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,600
Speaker 1: the last two years, we have not seen the regularity

1725
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 1: of the Cinderella, everybody falls in love with its story,

1726
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 1: the Loyola Marymount, the Northern Iowa. You know, you and

1727
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 1: I've talked about some of those great moments. This year

1728
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:24,719
Speaker 1: might have been void of some of that to an extent,

1729
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:29,719
Speaker 1: but it still is. There's just a magic about March,

1730
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 1: is there not?

1731
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 4: There is?

1732
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:36,560
Speaker 8: And I think I think people in regards to Cinderella

1733
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 8: got spoiled during the era what I would call the

1734
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 8: rookie salary cap era, when so many players were leaving

1735
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 8: quickly because it didn't do them any favors to be

1736
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 8: the first pick or the tenth pick.

1737
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 4: Just being the thirtieth pick got them in the league

1738
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 4: and got them paid, and.

1739
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 8: They had to get paid because they weren't getting paid

1740
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 8: where they were. They all understood their athletic careers were

1741
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 8: limited and you don't know when your chance to get

1742
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:12,760
Speaker 8: paid is, and so guys would go so they could

1743
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 8: hope to be the thirtieth pick, and maybe the two

1744
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 8: and three year guys would go because they needed to make.

1745
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 4: Some money playing. Now all those players are not only staying.

1746
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 8: In college basketball and elevating the level of competition at

1747
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 8: the major conference level, they're fighting to stay in They're

1748
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 8: going to court. I want to be a college player.

1749
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 8: We have to appreciate that and what and how that's

1750
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 8: made the high major level better. Yeah, the mid major

1751
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 8: level in this Miami team, and if we had time

1752
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 8: traveled this one to twenty to twenty fourteen or something,

1753
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:52,639
Speaker 8: it probably could have made the Sweet sixteen.

1754
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 4: They were that good. But the high major level is

1755
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 4: better now.

1756
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 8: The transfer portal, yes, is taking a significant amount of

1757
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 8: talent away from the mid majors, but they're still getting

1758
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 8: good players there, and some of the players are coming

1759
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 8: back to them. I saw player like a player at

1760
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:13,639
Speaker 8: Akron who had played in the Big Ten, Evan Mahafey.

1761
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 8: He played in the Big Ten at both Penn State

1762
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 8: and Ohio State, and he went backward or leveled down

1763
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:21,640
Speaker 8: or whatever you want to call it, to the mid

1764
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 8: major level and was part of a terrific Mid American

1765
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 8: Conference tournament champion and got to play in the show.

1766
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 4: Not sure whether he did it.

1767
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 8: The other two stuffs he might have might have been

1768
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 8: at Penn State, but I'm not positive. So I'm not

1769
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 8: one to complain about the current circumstance, the idea that

1770
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:41,640
Speaker 8: we have to have Cinderella.

1771
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:44,040
Speaker 4: Look in nineteen eighty five, you didn't have a lot

1772
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 4: of Cinderella. I mean, it didn't happen that much.

1773
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 8: It happened some, But I still remember showing up in

1774
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 8: ninety seven in Birmingham. It's Arizona with Miles Simon and

1775
01:43:56,479 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 8: company and Michael Bibbie Kansas with a team, and I

1776
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 8: think that they came in at like thirty seven and

1777
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 8: one with.

1778
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 1: Shot and Scott Pollard and loaded.

1779
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, Scott Pollard.

1780
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 8: I wanted to mention Scott because, uh, you know obviously

1781
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 8: his Indian Indiana connections and Providence which had God Sham

1782
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:19,839
Speaker 8: God and some and and another Austin Krozer, another Pacer

1783
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 8: and and and.

1784
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:23,720
Speaker 4: Chattanooga was there. I mean, come on, like I was

1785
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:27,520
Speaker 4: supposed to get excited about Chattanooga. I wasn't excited about Chattanooga.

1786
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 4: I mean because I knew they weren't gonna they weren't

1787
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 4: gonna win.

1788
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,599
Speaker 8: Uh, And it was cool that they won the games

1789
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,639
Speaker 8: that they won, but they planted their flag around before

1790
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 8: they were They.

1791
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 4: Weren't gonna win in that quintet. In that quarteret, there.

1792
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 1: Was no way, by the way, did that Chattanooga team

1793
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 1: have to o on it.

1794
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 8: I don't remember if they did. I think he was

1795
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:52,200
Speaker 8: in and I think by then he was in the NFL.

1796
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 8: I do think that I actually covered a game in

1797
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 8: which he played. Uh, when I was covering Memphis, I

1798
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,759
Speaker 8: had no idea that I was who I was watching,

1799
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:04,600
Speaker 8: but I do believe I watched him play. But I

1800
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:06,720
Speaker 8: think he had already That was ninety seven. I think

1801
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 8: he was already in that by then.

1802
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 1: Johnny Taylor was there, right, he was an NBA. Johnny

1803
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 1: Taylor had a couple of coffee in the league.

1804
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know player, Yes.

1805
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 1: Mike, when you look Mike de course, he's my guest

1806
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 1: of course Sporting News where you can read him. He's

1807
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 1: also on the Big ten Network. Mike. I want to

1808
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 1: go back to a column that you have right now

1809
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, which I thought was a

1810
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: really interesting read. North Carolina hiring NBA champ Michael Malone

1811
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: is a surprising experiment for a Blue blood program does

1812
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 1: North Carolina. And I don't mean this as a disrespect

1813
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 1: to Michael Malone at all, but at least on the surface,

1814
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:46,600
Speaker 1: it would appear as though North Carolina had to go

1815
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 1: a couple of different avenues before they found their guy.

1816
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 1: Does that North Carolina? I mean, you know, Michael Jordan's

1817
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 1: North Carolina Dean Smith, Roy Williams, the bluest of blue bloods.

1818
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 1: Does this create, if you will, kind of a warning

1819
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 1: shot to the rest of college basketball. Be careful before

1820
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: you made And I'm not saying Carolina made a knee

1821
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 1: jerk move, but be careful before you enter that arena,

1822
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 1: because even the bluest blue bloods, it's not that easy

1823
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 1: to just go out and get somebody.

1824
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you have.

1825
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 8: I think like, let's use Michigan as an example. I mean,

1826
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:25,719
Speaker 8: eight and twenty four says you need to make a change,

1827
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:30,559
Speaker 8: and so they did. They removed Jawan Howard, and they

1828
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 8: are a powerful program and they and they get they

1829
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 8: wind up with Dusty May and they wind up with

1830
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:43,120
Speaker 8: a title. I don't think the problem for Carolina necessarily

1831
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:47,479
Speaker 8: was was the fact that they're not a blue blood

1832
01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:50,840
Speaker 8: anymore or anything like that. I think The problem for

1833
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:54,559
Speaker 8: them was that they thought they needed to hire a resume.

1834
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:57,720
Speaker 8: I don't think they made a wht like Okay, so

1835
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:00,360
Speaker 8: the first resume they look at is Tommy Lloyd's Oh yeah,

1836
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 8: go ahead, Yeah, but don't go. I mean, great resume

1837
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 8: and great coach, great college coach, but he's not coming.

1838
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,400
Speaker 8: Why you could pick up the phone and say, we tried,

1839
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 8: but you know, Jennifer Anderson is I'm not looking for

1840
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:16,599
Speaker 8: I'm happily married.

1841
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 4: But like if I picked up the phone and called

1842
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 4: Jennifer Anson, she's not answering, right, you know, it's just

1843
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 4: not happening.

1844
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, might be a you tubes fan like you

1845
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,640
Speaker 1: don't know that Jennifer Anson might be. She may be

1846
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 1: saying to herself, usc, what are they going to do? Mike,

1847
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 1: of course he'd know. She might answer not for the

1848
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 1: reason that you want, but she might answer don't tell

1849
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 1: you herself short.

1850
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:38,559
Speaker 4: But but it was it was a waste of time.

1851
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 8: But so they felt that they needed to hire a

1852
01:47:43,240 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 8: resume instead of hiring a coach.

1853
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:47,080
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying they didn't hire a coach.

1854
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 8: They had a great coach, but they had a great

1855
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 8: NBA coach and it's not the same thing.

1856
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 4: Now. Can it become gradually the same thing? Maybe? Sure.

1857
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:58,679
Speaker 8: But he's not coached in college in twenty five years.

1858
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 8: He coached three different college programs for a total of

1859
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:05,640
Speaker 8: about seven eight years, so he's not totally unfamiliar with

1860
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:08,679
Speaker 8: the level. But he's not been in for twenty five years,

1861
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 8: and lots has changed. I just I think that when

1862
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 8: I'm looking for, like, Dusty May was a resume, but first.

1863
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 4: He was a coach. You know, if Dusty May, I'll give.

1864
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 8: You a scenario laid in the eight nine game in

1865
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 8: twenty twenty three between Memphis and Florida Atlantic. Memphis is

1866
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 8: winning the game. I think they're up a point and

1867
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:39,800
Speaker 8: they and they create a steal. When Florida Atlantic is

1868
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 8: trying to attack for a winning shot or a lead

1869
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 8: shot and they and Memphis creates a steal, gets down

1870
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 8: on the ground, loose ball on the ground. Memphis player

1871
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 8: clearly has by himself, calls time out. Wasn't granted, he

1872
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 8: gets tied up. It's called a health ball. Then time

1873
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 8: out they go to. If Dusty May comes over with

1874
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 8: a great play, they get their guy to the rim,

1875
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 8: he scores, they win. If that doesn't. If that if

1876
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 8: that ball, if that timeout is granted to Memphis, Dusty

1877
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 8: May never makes the final four that year. Okay, because

1878
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:15,639
Speaker 8: Memphis wins, Dusty goes home.

1879
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 4: But he's still a great coach.

1880
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 8: But people are too worried about hiring a resume, hire

1881
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 8: the coach and to do that, talk to people who

1882
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 8: know doesn't have to be me, But there are people

1883
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:37,680
Speaker 8: out there, Rob Doster, Seth Davis Goodman. Those guys know

1884
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 8: or talked to Billis or fran Those guys know too.

1885
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 8: But instead it's all done at the level of agents

1886
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 8: and search firms and people just looking can we sell this?

1887
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 8: And that's why you end up with coaches who fail.

1888
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,719
Speaker 1: Mike, when you look at Dusty May, Mike, of course

1889
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 1: he is, as my guest. When you look at Dusty May,

1890
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:08,120
Speaker 1: does his coaching ability to you more show itself in

1891
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:12,639
Speaker 1: his team's preparation and clearly his ability to break down

1892
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 1: the opponent? Or is it the innovation of coming up

1893
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:20,759
Speaker 1: with different ways to be effective and making adjustment throughout

1894
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:21,639
Speaker 1: the course of game.

1895
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 8: Well, I will say the number Both those things are

1896
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 8: important and he's great at them. But the number one thing,

1897
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 8: because we've seen two distinct different teams at Michigan in

1898
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 8: his two years, and you could add in the Florid

1899
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:37,400
Speaker 8: Atlantic team that we all watched in twenty three.

1900
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 4: His guys are connected. They could they are told.

1901
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 8: Like the guys at FAU, Elijah Martin and Nick Boyd

1902
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:49,759
Speaker 8: and those and that group Lad Golden, they were connected.

1903
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:54,840
Speaker 8: Then you come to Michigan and it's Danny Wolf and

1904
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 8: Golden again with playing with Danny Wolf, different style of play,

1905
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 8: and they're connected. And then those guys are gone and

1906
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 8: now you have a totally new group. You have some

1907
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:08,400
Speaker 8: continuity with Burnett and Jedd like I mentioned, but the

1908
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:10,840
Speaker 8: core guys, the guys that are going to do most

1909
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 8: of the basketballing, who shares it, who scores it?

1910
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 3: All that.

1911
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:20,919
Speaker 4: They are connected. He does extraordinarily well in that department.

1912
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:24,600
Speaker 8: And that's the most important thing in basketball. Can the

1913
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 8: players play next with each other. I will tell you

1914
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:32,599
Speaker 8: that in twenty seventeen, was it in Houston? I went

1915
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:36,679
Speaker 8: to write an article. It was twenty sixteen in Houston,

1916
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 8: went to write an article about Sam Decker's rookie year

1917
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 8: with the Rockets, and I was in the Houston Rockets uniform.

1918
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 4: That was when Dwight Howard was there. I think Harden

1919
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:48,760
Speaker 4: was on the team.

1920
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 8: I was in the Houston Rockets locker room before the

1921
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 8: game and after the game, and that team so was

1922
01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 8: disconnected that there were never in my period ten fifteen,

1923
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 8: twenty minutes ahead of the game, half an hour after

1924
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:05,679
Speaker 8: the game, whatever it was, there were never two players

1925
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 8: in the locker room at the same time.

1926
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,800
Speaker 4: I swear to you never. There were never two.

1927
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 8: Players in the locker room at the same time because

1928
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:13,680
Speaker 8: they didn't want to be around each other.

1929
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:18,679
Speaker 4: They found somewhere else to go, so that can happen.

1930
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:23,120
Speaker 8: And that's what Dusty May so far has shown himself

1931
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 8: to be expert at getting them to like each other,

1932
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:32,080
Speaker 8: or finding players who are going to connect with one another,

1933
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:33,799
Speaker 8: making sure that you don't.

1934
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 4: Recruit players who are me guys, the EXCELLENTI Borg. I

1935
01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:41,560
Speaker 4: wish I was on the Michigan beat this year. I

1936
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 4: have not.

1937
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:46,600
Speaker 8: I cannot remember maybe since Ronald no Ed. Can I

1938
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 8: remember a player who I enjoyed being around on the

1939
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 8: way through the tournament at the Big ten tournament in

1940
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 8: his case as well as here at the Final four.

1941
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:59,560
Speaker 8: Enjoyed being around him so much. He was so delightful

1942
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 8: and so cooperative and so pleasant because he understands like

1943
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 8: he's in an unbelievable position. He's going to have a

1944
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 8: great life if he's smart with his money, and so

1945
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:11,839
Speaker 8: he chooses happiness.

1946
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:14,360
Speaker 4: That's a guy I take on my team every day

1947
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:14,720
Speaker 4: of the week.

1948
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 8: And I'm telling you right now, somebody in the NBA,

1949
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 8: maybe a lot of somebody's, are going to screw up

1950
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:22,519
Speaker 8: by not taking him because he's twenty four years old.

1951
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 4: Listen, you want that guy on your team.

1952
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:27,040
Speaker 1: I loved it at the halftime interview and you were

1953
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:28,960
Speaker 1: probably at the game, so he didn't see the television interview.

1954
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 1: But he's coming off and Tracy Wolfson says, you know,

1955
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:33,320
Speaker 1: how are you feeling? And he says, I feel terrible.

1956
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:37,679
Speaker 1: My foot hurts and I can't hit anything. They're like, well,

1957
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 1: how's had for honest, He's like, it's awful, you know.

1958
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 1: But hey, Mike, before I let you go, I wanted

1959
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 1: to ask you about this. I mean, the NCAA tournament.

1960
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,599
Speaker 1: We talked about how great it is. Sixty eight teams,

1961
01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 1: looks like it's going to be seventy six. Now, just

1962
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:56,760
Speaker 1: I'll put the table at your feet here. Tournament expansion go.

1963
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:02,320
Speaker 8: I am trying to decide whether the dumbest move in

1964
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 8: sports is the MLS going to a winter schedule or

1965
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 8: taking March Madness as seventy six teams. And I'm coming

1966
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:14,719
Speaker 8: down on the side of March Madness being stupider because

1967
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:18,600
Speaker 8: MLS is infilidly searching for something to a degree, I

1968
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:20,719
Speaker 8: think they're searching for a goal they can never reach.

1969
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 8: They want to be the best legal It's not gonna happen.

1970
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:28,519
Speaker 8: Probably not in three of my lifetimes will that happen.

1971
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 8: But as you mentioned, the NCAA tournament is perfect. It

1972
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:39,320
Speaker 8: is perfect as it is. Even more to that is

1973
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 8: how going to seventy six will impact the regular season

1974
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 8: by the end of this season. I mean, I don't

1975
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 8: think I'm being unfair when I say this. There were

1976
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:53,160
Speaker 8: not a lot of Indiana fans who were like thinking

1977
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:55,920
Speaker 8: they should be in the tournament. And they were not

1978
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,240
Speaker 8: a lot of Indiana fans that I was around who

1979
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:01,400
Speaker 8: were like thinking that they were dying to see that

1980
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 8: team play more. I mean, they spent the entire stretch

1981
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 8: run saying, don't pick us, we're.

1982
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 4: Right good enough, we don't have it.

1983
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 8: And if you had seventy six, they would have been

1984
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 8: a lock probably on February twenty.

1985
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 1: My thing is this, I did the math earlier, and

1986
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:23,920
Speaker 1: I know that when I say this, You're going to

1987
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 1: think I'm one of the biggest ten foil hat ever.

1988
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 1: And I'm a critical overthinker.

1989
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 8: I know that.

1990
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 1: But the ACC Big twelve, Big ten SEC add those

1991
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 1: teams up sixty eight total teams. To me, when people

1992
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 1: hear the expansion of seventy six and they think this

1993
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 1: is great because now Miami is definitely get to get in,

1994
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 1: and this means that the mobile can get three in

1995
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 1: and et cetera. This is designed, in my opinion, and

1996
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:49,600
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me if I'm wrong. This

1997
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:52,800
Speaker 1: is designed to allow them to continue to get in

1998
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 1: as many out of those four as they can out

1999
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 1: of fear of those four leagues somehow revolting against the

2000
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 1: NCAA thoughts, Well, I.

2001
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:05,960
Speaker 8: Think that, I think that's probably true, and and but

2002
01:56:06,120 --> 01:56:09,320
Speaker 8: what bothers me about that? I know, I don't think

2003
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 8: that's probably true. I think it's definitely true.

2004
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:11,760
Speaker 4: I think they are.

2005
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:15,160
Speaker 8: I think those leagues are using leverage, that sort of leverage,

2006
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 8: although I think that leverage is.

2007
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:19,320
Speaker 4: Hollow at this point because of the House settlement.

2008
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:23,640
Speaker 8: They dragged the mid Majors and low majors into the

2009
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:30,120
Speaker 8: house settlement of basically using their NCAA tournament funds to

2010
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:33,480
Speaker 8: pay their share of the house settlement and so and that,

2011
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 8: and that payout is basically amortized to ten years. So

2012
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 8: if I don't see how you force those schools to

2013
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:44,520
Speaker 8: pay the rest of that settlement if you book in

2014
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:46,960
Speaker 8: two years, I just don't see how that's plausible. If

2015
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 8: I were them, I would just say, no, we're not

2016
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:49,600
Speaker 8: going to pay.

2017
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:53,400
Speaker 4: Why would we. You took away the entity through which

2018
01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 4: we were supposed to pay that. We don't have that money.

2019
01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 4: We only have it if we have that entity.

2020
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:01,920
Speaker 8: So I don't know whether they really have that leverage

2021
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:06,160
Speaker 8: or not, But I think that the NCAA, Charlie Baker

2022
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:11,720
Speaker 8: is choosing not to fight it and just acquiescing. But

2023
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:14,880
Speaker 8: I also think that the people like Brett Yormark, Jim

2024
01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:17,280
Speaker 8: Phillips who have advocated for this, and the most of

2025
01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:22,680
Speaker 8: all Greg Shaheen, those guys not Greg Seen.

2026
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:25,560
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, why did his name pop in my mind?

2027
01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:27,080
Speaker 4: The commissioner of the SEC.

2028
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:31,000
Speaker 1: Well, Greg was formerly the commissioner of the tournament itself.

2029
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:32,680
Speaker 1: Correct Or the director of the tournament.

2030
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:36,480
Speaker 8: Correct, the commissioner of the SEC who Greg's name popped

2031
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:37,520
Speaker 8: into my head instead of.

2032
01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:41,640
Speaker 4: The commissioner of the SEC who has been advocating for

2033
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:46,240
Speaker 4: this longer than Greg Sankeye. See there you go. That's

2034
01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 4: what it's been a long month. Greg Sankie was the

2035
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,480
Speaker 4: first to advocate for this and used the.

2036
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 8: Absurdity of comparing it to the College World Series and saying, well,

2037
01:57:56,440 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 8: the last team inn won it the College World Series,

2038
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 8: so clearly that could happen in basketball as well.

2039
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 4: Please it's never happened and never will.

2040
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: But that.

2041
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:11,360
Speaker 8: They are already getting the lion's share of the NCAA

2042
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:13,000
Speaker 8: Tournament and they deserve it.

2043
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 4: Very few mid majors.

2044
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 8: Get at large bids now, and that's as it should be, because,

2045
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:21,840
Speaker 8: as I've always said, the high majors have the most

2046
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 8: good players, the most good coaches, and the most good teams,

2047
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 8: and so they should get the almost all of those bids.

2048
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 8: It's a rare breakthrough when like Miami this year, when

2049
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:36,240
Speaker 8: they don't have every single one, but it doesn't make

2050
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:39,440
Speaker 8: anything better, and it's bad business. That's the worst part.

2051
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 8: These people are supposed to be good business people. It's

2052
01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:46,920
Speaker 8: bad business to water down the NCAA tournament, to ruin

2053
01:58:47,120 --> 01:58:50,839
Speaker 8: the bracket concept, the one page bracket that's so essential

2054
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:53,120
Speaker 8: to the viewership that accrues.

2055
01:58:52,760 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 4: To the NCUBLEA tournament.

2056
01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:57,680
Speaker 8: I say this, if you don't understand how important the

2057
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:02,080
Speaker 8: one page bracket is the popularity of the NCAA tournament,

2058
01:59:02,360 --> 01:59:04,720
Speaker 8: then you should not be in a decision making position

2059
01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:08,720
Speaker 8: in college athletics because it's a very simple concept.

2060
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:12,560
Speaker 4: It's very obvious. It's influence and you should know that.

2061
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:15,440
Speaker 4: And still they move forward in this direction.

2062
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:19,400
Speaker 1: Mike's thoughts on the North Carolina higher as well as

2063
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,360
Speaker 1: about the depth of Michigan and most importantly, the college

2064
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 1: basketball rankings the way too early top twenty five for

2065
01:59:26,120 --> 01:59:29,800
Speaker 1: next season, which includes a taste from the state of Indiana.

2066
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:33,280
Speaker 1: All at the Sportingnews dot Com for the dean of

2067
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:36,400
Speaker 1: college basketball writers, Mike de Corsi, Mike, appreciate the time

2068
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:40,000
Speaker 1: as always, and congratulations again on a fabulous year of

2069
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:41,320
Speaker 1: coverage in college basketball.

2070
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:44,040
Speaker 4: Thanks so much, Shake, you have a great.

2071
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:45,920
Speaker 1: Day, Appreciate it. Mike to Corsey joining us on the

2072
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:49,120
Speaker 1: program Pacers and Action. Tonight's speaking to college basketball a

2073
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:50,760
Speaker 1: lot of guys that it's going to feel like you

2074
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:54,600
Speaker 1: are watching a tournament game. The Noblesville Boom in action

2075
01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:58,800
Speaker 1: tonight taking on what's Minnesota's G League team? Do we

2076
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:02,520
Speaker 1: know to go with the I'll say the Minnesota G

2077
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:05,680
Speaker 1: League team is? Do they go in Saint Paul? Say

2078
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:09,640
Speaker 1: they're the Saint Paul Saints. That's the baseball team. Well,

2079
02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:11,480
Speaker 1: I know that it's the Independent Baseball League team that

2080
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:13,640
Speaker 1: Darryl Strawberry played for for a while. All Right, I'll

2081
02:00:13,680 --> 02:00:13,960
Speaker 1: go with.

2082
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:16,120
Speaker 7: It.

2083
02:00:16,280 --> 02:00:20,360
Speaker 1: Got to be the Twinkies, right, the Saint Paul Twinkies. Anyway,

2084
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:26,320
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joins us. Next, the Iowa Wolves, by the way,

2085
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:29,360
Speaker 1: the G League team for Minnesota. They play in the

2086
02:00:29,480 --> 02:00:33,840
Speaker 1: Casey's Center, which has fabulous pizza inside the arena, and

2087
02:00:35,320 --> 02:00:39,800
Speaker 1: among their roster, remember no Jelle Eastern that played at Purdue.

2088
02:00:41,680 --> 02:00:44,840
Speaker 1: He's an Iowa Wolf. So to two former Pacers. Do

2089
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:47,320
Speaker 1: we have Scott by the way on the program? We

2090
02:00:47,560 --> 02:00:49,960
Speaker 1: Gott Agnes and field House Files joins us. Scott, I'm

2091
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna put you on the spot for a trivia question

2092
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:55,040
Speaker 1: that I would be highly impressed if you know the answer.

2093
02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:58,280
Speaker 1: So therefore there is no shame if you don't. Are

2094
02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:01,960
Speaker 1: you prepared for this tribua a question. Yes, let's do it.

2095
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:05,600
Speaker 1: Can you tell me one of the two former pacers

2096
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:08,680
Speaker 1: currently listed on the website as being members of the

2097
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:16,200
Speaker 1: Iowa Wolves, the Timberwolves G League team, Alise Johnson. That's

2098
02:01:16,240 --> 02:01:19,720
Speaker 1: an excellent, excellent guest. I do not see him listed.

2099
02:01:20,200 --> 02:01:22,760
Speaker 5: Okay, he was there at some time. If he's not,

2100
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:25,160
Speaker 5: he might be back overseas. But I thought he was there.

2101
02:01:26,680 --> 02:01:32,400
Speaker 1: Tristan Newton, No, also, really good guess not listed.

2102
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:34,520
Speaker 5: All of those guys have been there, so it's just

2103
02:01:34,600 --> 02:01:36,400
Speaker 5: a matter of if they're there.

2104
02:01:36,640 --> 02:01:39,000
Speaker 1: And admittedly, in your defense, these could be guys for

2105
02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:42,080
Speaker 1: all I know that signed up, you know, a two

2106
02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:44,840
Speaker 1: way ten days ago. I have no idea, right, Sure,

2107
02:01:45,160 --> 02:01:47,800
Speaker 1: here we go. I think this guy was a pacer.

2108
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:52,800
Speaker 1: Terry Taylor Wasn't he a pacer? Absolutely? And not unlike

2109
02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:56,160
Speaker 1: Terry Taylor because known for his rebounding prowess. Enrique Freeman.

2110
02:01:56,960 --> 02:01:59,040
Speaker 5: Ah, yep, absolutely, that was over the summer.

2111
02:01:59,480 --> 02:02:02,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's talk about tonight just in terms of

2112
02:02:02,040 --> 02:02:03,800
Speaker 1: what we're going to see because probably a lot of

2113
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:08,080
Speaker 1: guys like that. Right in terms of Indiana kind of

2114
02:02:08,160 --> 02:02:12,400
Speaker 1: ending out the season here understandably, so by going into

2115
02:02:12,440 --> 02:02:14,760
Speaker 1: the depth chart, so to speak, one of those that

2116
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:20,640
Speaker 1: is I think of note and I believe did we

2117
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:26,120
Speaker 1: already pass the number of games that if Cam Jones

2118
02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:29,520
Speaker 1: appears that his contract becomes guaranteed? Are we already assured

2119
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:31,200
Speaker 1: now that he cannot meet that requirement?

2120
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:35,520
Speaker 5: Yes, that's right, So only half of his contract for

2121
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:37,440
Speaker 5: this upcoming season is fully guaranteed.

2122
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:41,880
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha. But that said, let's look at where they

2123
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:44,640
Speaker 1: are now, Scott. They can still the Pacers with what

2124
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:48,320
Speaker 1: four games left? They can still afford to win? Is

2125
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:51,560
Speaker 1: it two of them? And they will not necessarily jeopardize

2126
02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:54,960
Speaker 1: themselves or hurt their statistical odds of holding under the

2127
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:55,440
Speaker 1: draft pick.

2128
02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:58,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, that figures to be about right, even though I

2129
02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:00,960
Speaker 5: don't expect them at all to and two more games

2130
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:02,960
Speaker 5: the rest of the way. But they're currently with the

2131
02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:06,960
Speaker 5: second worst percentage, only ahead of the Washington Wizards. Brooklyn's

2132
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:09,200
Speaker 5: right above them. And then there's two teams out west,

2133
02:03:09,640 --> 02:03:13,160
Speaker 5: Sacramento and Utah, who both have two more wins than

2134
02:03:13,200 --> 02:03:15,960
Speaker 5: the Pacers with or excuse me, three more with twenty

2135
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Speaker 5: one wins.

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Speaker 1: What do you This is gonna sound like an elementary question,

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Speaker 1: but based on that like, for example, I'll be there

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Speaker 1: tonight and I'm Scott. I had been amazed, impressed and

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Speaker 1: amazed at the crowds. Still everyone knows the scenario, but

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Speaker 1: yet when I go down there, there are still Now

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Speaker 1: maybe it won't be the case tonight because we're coming

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Speaker 1: off the Final four and it's Tuesday night and you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, Anthony Edwards isn't playing. But even with all

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Speaker 1: of that, there have been really good crowds down there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's great to hear.

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Speaker 5: I mean the fact that we all knew going into

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Speaker 5: the season what it was and then actually turned out

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Speaker 5: way worse. Right, Like we thought this would be a

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Speaker 5: forty win team. We thought it would probably be a

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Speaker 5: friend playoff team, maybe play play in worthy. No, this

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02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:06,200
Speaker 5: has been one of the worst seasons in franchise history,

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02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:08,760
Speaker 5: as nothing seemingly has gone right for the team, where

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Speaker 5: they've had twenty plus transactions in the first month of

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Speaker 5: the season, and so I think if anything, most fans,

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02:04:16,720 --> 02:04:20,160
Speaker 5: while they support the guys, they're very much paying attention

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02:04:20,280 --> 02:04:22,640
Speaker 5: to that May tenth date with the draft a lot

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02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:26,080
Speaker 5: or it's remarkable that there's just four games left. One

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Speaker 5: of the things I was watching Jake was Pascal Siakam

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Speaker 5: because he's at sixty two games. I don't think it's

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Speaker 5: a lock by any means that he would be an

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Speaker 5: All NBA player, But I think that's some wrestling that

2162
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Speaker 5: probably he and the franchise had to deal with. Is

2163
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Speaker 5: is it worthwhile getting that at sixty five games? Or

2164
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Speaker 5: we want to continue to hold you out and just

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Speaker 5: finish the season here without you. But that can't be

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Speaker 5: easy on the player whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the and with the Siakam situation, there have

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Speaker 1: been other players already that just now Anthony Edwards I

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Speaker 1: think is one of those, right, isn't he? Now? I

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Speaker 1: denied the possibility of some bonus or some accolade that

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Speaker 1: can come his way because of a number of games

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02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:06,840
Speaker 1: he's missed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the end of season awards and he's only

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Speaker 5: played sixty games to this point. As you said, he's

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Speaker 5: not playing tonight in Indy. There's no way he's getting

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Speaker 5: to that sixty five game threshold that the league added

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Speaker 5: several years ago to try to get rid of these

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Speaker 5: teams that were holding players out, and so at least

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Speaker 5: a can you play eighty percent of the season sixty

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Speaker 5: five of the eighty two games to be eligible for

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Speaker 5: postseason awards.

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Speaker 1: Now, some players that are.

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Speaker 5: Coming off their contract rookie contract and looking to sign

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Speaker 5: a new contract that can also often trigger a bonus

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Speaker 5: for a supermax type contract. Now, Anthony Edwards, I don't

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Speaker 5: believe that's the case at all, But for him, he

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Speaker 5: was somewhat in the MVP conversation he's been up there.

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Speaker 5: Certainly would it be an All NBA player. The other

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Speaker 5: one Jacob applies to among many is Wimby and then

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Speaker 5: Luka Donchitz. But there's a Donchets will apply for an

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Speaker 5: exception given the fact that he missed a couple of

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Speaker 5: games due to the birth of his kid, And could

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Speaker 5: that be a scenario there where it's the exception is applied.

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Speaker 5: It should, But I think what we've realized is it

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02:06:12,520 --> 02:06:17,040
Speaker 5: was great in theory, but having this artificial number isn't

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Speaker 5: good because you look back now ten years that later,

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Speaker 5: you know, twenty thirty five, we'll look back at these

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02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:24,760
Speaker 5: seasons and be like, who are the best players? You'll

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Speaker 5: look at the All NBA list and it's a guy

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02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:29,560
Speaker 5: that maybe wasn't an All Star or the guy that

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Speaker 5: certainly wasn't a top fifteen guy, and so that needs

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Speaker 5: to be rethink.

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Speaker 1: It's like being a quarterback anyone the Pro Bowl. You know, congraduations,

2204
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:39,200
Speaker 1: You're the ninth guy, right, Scott Agnes our guest Fieldhouse

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02:06:39,200 --> 02:06:42,120
Speaker 1: Files where you can read his work. Scott. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that you have always stayed a top of,

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Speaker 1: probably more than anybody is knowing, just kind of the

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Speaker 1: business and the media aspect of the NBA. And the

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Speaker 1: reason I asked it I saw the headline last week

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02:06:54,920 --> 02:06:59,520
Speaker 1: maybe that the television network for the Pacers itself, not

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02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:02,480
Speaker 1: the pay but the network that is airing them currently

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02:07:03,320 --> 02:07:06,040
Speaker 1: is going away. So what does that mean for next

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02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:09,760
Speaker 1: season in terms of television coverage for Pacer games?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So the company used to be Diamonds Sports Group.

2215
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:17,000
Speaker 5: Now it's called main Street and the main Street Sports

2216
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:20,160
Speaker 5: Groups the group that runs FanDuel Sports Network that everybody's

2217
02:07:20,200 --> 02:07:21,040
Speaker 5: become familiar with.

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Speaker 1: But this spin off that they.

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Speaker 5: There's all these selloffs of rights several years ago, I

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02:07:28,280 --> 02:07:31,760
Speaker 5: think originally from Fox. But long story short is they're

2221
02:07:31,800 --> 02:07:34,160
Speaker 5: in bankruptcy and they came out of bankruptcy looked like

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Speaker 5: they were getting their head above water. There was a

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Speaker 5: chance maybe they were going to sell or bring in

2224
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Speaker 5: additional partners like Amazon, Prime Video, like Desonne, maybe some others,

2225
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:48,040
Speaker 5: But no, they've signaled now here in the last week

2226
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:53,400
Speaker 5: through regulatory filing and such and laying off individuals that

2227
02:07:54,120 --> 02:07:57,360
Speaker 5: they're winding down operations. So for the Pacers, it means

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Speaker 5: they're without a TV partner for next season. I think

2229
02:08:00,280 --> 02:08:02,560
Speaker 5: they were going to be a free agent anyway, but

2230
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Speaker 5: now it opens up many options. And the thing that

2231
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:09,280
Speaker 5: leagues like the NBA are trying to figure out is

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02:08:09,320 --> 02:08:12,320
Speaker 5: what's the best way to position this moving forward because

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02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:16,080
Speaker 5: the local model, the regional sports model, isn't what it was.

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Speaker 1: It was highly lucrative.

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Speaker 5: Jake, I think I forget off the top of my head,

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02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:23,760
Speaker 5: but I think my understanding was the Pacers were making

2237
02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:27,360
Speaker 5: about fifteen million per year off this, a franchise like

2238
02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:29,640
Speaker 5: the Lakers, I think was well over one hundred million,

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02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 5: So quite a disparity there, but that was one of

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Speaker 5: the biggest, if not the biggest, local revenue generators that

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Speaker 5: each of these teams were able to enjoy. So what

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02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:44,440
Speaker 5: it could be is NBA, along with one of their partners,

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02:08:44,520 --> 02:08:47,800
Speaker 5: let's say a Prime Video, distributes it like that. So

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02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:50,640
Speaker 5: if you're familiar with Thursday night football and logging on

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02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:53,560
Speaker 5: for Prime video. Maybe that's how you'd watch PACER games

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02:08:53,600 --> 02:08:55,640
Speaker 5: and many have done that with the FanDuel app, or

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02:08:56,120 --> 02:08:59,839
Speaker 5: I could see them partnering it, or also in addition

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02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:02,720
Speaker 5: to that, maybe they bring in a local partner. They've

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02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:05,640
Speaker 5: worked with WHR Channel thirteen the last couple of years.

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Speaker 5: That's also the Fever broadcasting partner. There's a couple other

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Speaker 5: stations that now become intriguing a little bit to me

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02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:14,520
Speaker 5: as well. But for the first time in quite a while,

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02:09:15,800 --> 02:09:18,920
Speaker 5: a real opportunity here for PACER Sports and Entertainment to

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02:09:19,120 --> 02:09:22,880
Speaker 5: rethink their media distribution models.

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Speaker 1: Scott, have we gotten to the point And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I'm asking this rhetorically and maybe I'm going to sound

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02:09:29,560 --> 02:09:32,560
Speaker 1: like an old man yelling at clouds here, but is

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02:09:32,640 --> 02:09:36,960
Speaker 1: the one disadvantage to this happening right now? Have we

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02:09:37,080 --> 02:09:39,440
Speaker 1: gotten to the point now where, even though it's become

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02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:44,160
Speaker 1: more normalized and accepted to the consumer of the pay

2261
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:49,000
Speaker 1: for access television app that now maybe we're far enough

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02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:51,320
Speaker 1: into the game that familiarity is there, yes, and so

2263
02:09:51,400 --> 02:09:53,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound foreign to somebody when you say, like, hey,

2264
02:09:53,560 --> 02:09:56,800
Speaker 1: you got to pay for but people now have gotten

2265
02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:59,320
Speaker 1: to the point where they've become oversaturated in the apps

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02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:02,200
Speaker 1: they're paying for, and therefore are reluctant to continue to

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02:10:02,280 --> 02:10:04,520
Speaker 1: do so because now people are like, yeah, I'm starting

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02:10:04,520 --> 02:10:09,120
Speaker 1: to scale back on the monthly subscriptions to these apps. Yes,

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Speaker 1: totally agreeing.

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Speaker 5: It's been something I've been harping on the last half

2271
02:10:12,600 --> 02:10:15,520
Speaker 5: dozen years at least, is especially in those down years

2272
02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:18,960
Speaker 5: right when things weren't going well after Paul George's injury.

2273
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:21,720
Speaker 5: I'm sitting there thinking like, there's a lot of fans

2274
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:24,200
Speaker 5: that are growing up and not watching Pacery games and

2275
02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:27,200
Speaker 5: not watching other NBA games. They're consuming on YouTube and

2276
02:10:27,480 --> 02:10:30,800
Speaker 5: they're watching ten minute highlight clips and it's much like

2277
02:10:31,120 --> 02:10:34,520
Speaker 5: the IMS and the local blackout there. I truly believe

2278
02:10:35,120 --> 02:10:39,200
Speaker 5: that if you make it less successible, it starts telling

2279
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:41,640
Speaker 5: everybody it doesn't matter, it's not as big a deal.

2280
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,840
Speaker 5: So I would add a line item to marketing. If

2281
02:10:44,920 --> 02:10:47,560
Speaker 5: you take a loss or lose some money here by

2282
02:10:47,640 --> 02:10:50,720
Speaker 5: taking a local platform, which I would love to see personally,

2283
02:10:51,680 --> 02:10:54,240
Speaker 5: chalk that up to marketing and more merchandise sales and

2284
02:10:54,280 --> 02:10:57,200
Speaker 5: all those things that you can capitalize off of because

2285
02:10:57,280 --> 02:10:59,920
Speaker 5: of the increased availability, just like it used to be.

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Speaker 1: What's the latest you're working on at Fieldhouse Files? Yeah,

2287
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:03,920
Speaker 1: wrapping up.

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Speaker 5: I was at the final four weekend the last five days,

2289
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Speaker 5: so I was bouncing around covering different things there, including

2290
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Speaker 5: a one on one with Chris paul A couple days

2291
02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:15,080
Speaker 5: ago Shamika Hols call Mark fu talking about the nim

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02:11:15,120 --> 02:11:17,880
Speaker 5: Hard Brothers, so kind of a notebook that I'll be

2293
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:21,080
Speaker 5: wrapping up there, plus a little fever news about qualifying

2294
02:11:21,160 --> 02:11:26,120
Speaker 5: offers that were sent out yesterday, no surprise, but it's

2295
02:11:26,200 --> 02:11:28,360
Speaker 5: going according to plan thus far. For Indiana.

2296
02:11:28,520 --> 02:11:31,280
Speaker 2: Free agency is officially underway for the w Right Scott,

2297
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:32,680
Speaker 2: I know what kind of flying by the seat of

2298
02:11:32,720 --> 02:11:35,280
Speaker 2: our pants here with the WNBA, with how they're just

2299
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:37,040
Speaker 2: kind of accelerating everything right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And it doesn't help that, you know, less than

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02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:42,880
Speaker 5: twenty four hours before free agency began on Monday, we

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02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:45,760
Speaker 5: find out at ten o'clock at night the plan for

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02:11:45,880 --> 02:11:49,080
Speaker 5: the week. And so right now those qualifying offers can

2304
02:11:49,160 --> 02:11:52,920
Speaker 5: be issued yesterday and today there can start to be

2305
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:55,640
Speaker 5: some negotiations with other free agents. I'm thinking like a

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02:11:55,720 --> 02:11:59,560
Speaker 5: Sophie Cunningham over the next several days after today, and

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02:11:59,600 --> 02:12:02,680
Speaker 5: then can begin as soon as April eleventh, and then

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02:12:02,720 --> 02:12:05,320
Speaker 5: the drafts two days later, so it's a quick wind

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02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:08,240
Speaker 5: up to training camp, which begins on the nineteenth.

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Speaker 1: All right, Scott, we'll be looking at field House files

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Speaker 1: for all the coverage. Appreciate the time as always. You bet, Thanks, Jake,

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02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:16,640
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joining US again Pacers and Action tonight taking

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02:12:16,680 --> 02:12:19,920
Speaker 1: on Minnesota at the field House. Jmv is here, just

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Speaker 1: saw him a second ago. We'll find out what he's

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Speaker 1: got cooking on the program courtesy of On the Crossover

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Speaker 1: three one seven, three five three twenty one forty one.

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Speaker 1: Former Purdue Boilermaker Wake Forest player Miles Colvin among those

2319
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Speaker 1: in the transfer portal. Also Fernanda Mindosa announcing today that

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02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:48,680
Speaker 1: he will not attend the NFL Draft. Rather, he said

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02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:50,480
Speaker 1: he would like to spend it at home with friends

2322
02:12:50,520 --> 02:12:53,760
Speaker 1: and family in Miami, which is cool. Joe Thomas did that.

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02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:56,040
Speaker 1: I remember when he was drafted by the Browns. He

2324
02:12:56,160 --> 02:12:57,040
Speaker 1: was fishing with his dad.

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Speaker 2: I did have Do you know the last player selected

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02:12:59,560 --> 02:13:01,840
Speaker 2: first till all to not it's in the NFL draft, Jake.

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02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:10,640
Speaker 1: Good question I don't person currently in the league. Oh really,

2328
02:13:11,280 --> 02:13:11,840
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow?

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Speaker 2: No, well, okay, non COVID related.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know who was it? Sur Price? You

2331
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:22,040
Speaker 1: don't know this, Trevor Lawrence. It is Trevor Lawrence, is

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02:13:22,120 --> 02:13:27,680
Speaker 1: it really? Yeah? The uh, the thing you know with

2333
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:32,760
Speaker 1: with Mendoza, I true story. I had someone tell me

2334
02:13:32,840 --> 02:13:36,320
Speaker 1: that they were just in Pittsburgh working with the Pittsburgh

2335
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:39,680
Speaker 1: Police Department in preparation for the Draft and the crowd

2336
02:13:39,800 --> 02:13:42,800
Speaker 1: control for the Draft. Do you want to guess what

2337
02:13:43,240 --> 02:13:49,600
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Police Department is planning on accommodating in

2338
02:13:49,680 --> 02:13:51,400
Speaker 1: terms of the number of people for the first round

2339
02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:56,800
Speaker 1: of the draft? Six million? Honestly a million. And I'm like,

2340
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:00,760
Speaker 1: why are we doing this? I promise I'm not going

2341
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:02,240
Speaker 1: to go off on one of my tangents for it,

2342
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:05,600
Speaker 1: but I mean, let's be real, Like I said, if

2343
02:14:05,640 --> 02:14:08,160
Speaker 1: the draft ever comes to Indianapolis, will know if they

2344
02:14:08,240 --> 02:14:11,720
Speaker 1: hold it inside of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and that

2345
02:14:11,880 --> 02:14:14,240
Speaker 1: only is able to hold one third of the number

2346
02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:15,680
Speaker 1: of people that want to be there, then we'll know

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Speaker 1: that in reality they get six hundred thousand. JMB has arrived,

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Speaker 1: John did you go to the game kind of. I

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02:14:24,640 --> 02:14:25,080
Speaker 1: went home.

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Speaker 6: It was a long walk so because I refused to

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02:14:29,680 --> 02:14:31,840
Speaker 6: pay for parking, so I far pretty far away.

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Speaker 1: It was a long walk, and then I hung around.

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Speaker 6: I had some high school people friends that came up

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02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:37,880
Speaker 6: from GC and hung out for a while, so I

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02:14:37,960 --> 02:14:40,360
Speaker 6: hung out with them. So it was pretty awesome. And

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02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:42,560
Speaker 6: by the way to Donnie Iris, will he play in

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02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:46,280
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh at the Hits where he's from Alia? Donnie Iris

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02:14:46,600 --> 02:14:47,560
Speaker 6: from the nineteen eighties?

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02:14:48,600 --> 02:14:51,520
Speaker 1: Will he play? Will he play at the draft in Pittsburgh?

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Speaker 6: Rusted Roots another Pittsburgh mars, Rusted Roots.

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Speaker 1: What happened to them?

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Speaker 6: Though they were huge, they probably smoked themselves into o

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02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:05,080
Speaker 6: Bbolivion Brett Michaels also from Pittsburgh. Michaels is indeed from Pittsburgh. No,

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Speaker 6: to answer your question, I did hang out for a

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02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:10,320
Speaker 6: while with a bunch of Green County people. It was

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02:15:10,360 --> 02:15:13,640
Speaker 6: really weird seeing everybody that I grew up with in

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Speaker 6: like Michigan colors.

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Speaker 1: That was really weird. I mean it's and I would

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Speaker 1: assume you okay.

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02:15:19,240 --> 02:15:21,800
Speaker 6: And then Dusty May's picture after the game with Adam

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02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:23,520
Speaker 6: Schefter kind of put her over the top for me,

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02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:28,000
Speaker 6: your buddy, right, my buddy, my buddy who I guess

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02:15:28,120 --> 02:15:31,160
Speaker 6: is down in Bloomington right now from what I gather

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Speaker 6: on social media.

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Speaker 1: What's oh for Mendoza?

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02:15:34,120 --> 02:15:35,760
Speaker 6: No, I think he's down there. I think his daughter

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02:15:35,880 --> 02:15:38,160
Speaker 6: mego toau or something. Evidently that's what they were saying

2378
02:15:38,200 --> 02:15:38,960
Speaker 6: in social media.

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02:15:39,200 --> 02:15:42,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, here, buddy, Dusty May Several people have asked

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Speaker 1: me this. I don't know that I've asked you this

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02:15:44,520 --> 02:15:48,960
Speaker 1: this directly. It's a moot point. It's a moot point

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02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:50,879
Speaker 1: at this point. But for the sake of the discussion,

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02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:55,840
Speaker 1: do you believe that it is the slam dunk or

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02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:58,720
Speaker 1: would have been the slam dunk that most people assume

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02:15:59,640 --> 02:16:02,160
Speaker 1: that would have come to Indiana if that job was

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02:16:02,200 --> 02:16:05,880
Speaker 1: presented to him. I do. I do. I think that

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02:16:06,520 --> 02:16:08,680
Speaker 1: he would have been back here. You think he would have?

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02:16:08,760 --> 02:16:09,920
Speaker 1: I think if they if the time.

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Speaker 6: I think it was also about the timing, because I

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02:16:13,680 --> 02:16:16,000
Speaker 6: think that had they not low balled the hell out

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02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:17,560
Speaker 6: of him at Louisville, he would have ended up there.

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02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:18,960
Speaker 1: Okay.

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02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:22,160
Speaker 6: I thought that maybe before Pat Kelsey and they said

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02:16:22,200 --> 02:16:23,880
Speaker 6: they low balled him, And then I think there was

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02:16:24,080 --> 02:16:26,440
Speaker 6: there was some thought that maybe Josh Shurtz got a

2396
02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:27,240
Speaker 6: bit of a low ball.

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Speaker 1: I had read somewhere and I thought you had told

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02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:31,360
Speaker 1: me this, and he and Surans are really good friends.

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02:16:31,520 --> 02:16:33,640
Speaker 1: I thought, for some reason I had read somewhere that

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02:16:33,800 --> 02:16:36,879
Speaker 1: his only hesitation with coming to Indiana was hey, listen,

2401
02:16:36,959 --> 02:16:39,520
Speaker 1: you go somewhere else and if it doesn't work out

2402
02:16:39,640 --> 02:16:41,920
Speaker 1: or whatever reason, you can always, you know, retire back

2403
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:43,879
Speaker 1: at home, whereas that's harder to do if you are

2404
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:44,320
Speaker 1: coming out.

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02:16:44,600 --> 02:16:47,560
Speaker 6: And there's there's maybe something too that I just I think,

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02:16:47,640 --> 02:16:50,080
Speaker 6: and we've never had the conversation because I didn't want

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02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:54,640
Speaker 6: to put him in a situation because it's really it

2408
02:16:54,760 --> 02:16:58,080
Speaker 6: really means not much right now, especially to him. All

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02:16:58,120 --> 02:16:59,640
Speaker 6: he could do, if you know, I ended up getting

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02:16:59,640 --> 02:17:03,120
Speaker 6: to lose, is end up hurting him. I'm assuming, but yeah,

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02:17:03,160 --> 02:17:05,040
Speaker 6: he ended up in a spot for him that had

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02:17:05,320 --> 02:17:08,280
Speaker 6: great resources, and you can see what he has done

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02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:12,040
Speaker 6: in two years with those particular resources. And I do

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02:17:12,240 --> 02:17:15,440
Speaker 6: think though that IU would have been let me say this,

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02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:17,840
Speaker 6: it would have been tough for him to say no

2416
02:17:18,440 --> 02:17:22,280
Speaker 6: if all all the conditions were right before.

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Speaker 1: I think he would coach in the NBA. I do

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02:17:25,680 --> 02:17:28,040
Speaker 1: because that's one because I think he's a coach well,

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02:17:28,200 --> 02:17:30,800
Speaker 1: and you got to look at he would be perfect

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02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:33,440
Speaker 1: and listen, I don't think Rick Carlo, nor should he be,

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02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:37,200
Speaker 1: is going anywhere anytime soon. Right, But if Carlisle goes

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02:17:37,240 --> 02:17:39,840
Speaker 1: another I mean, what's a realistic number to think that

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02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:42,000
Speaker 1: Carlisle coached still another eight years or something like that.

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02:17:42,720 --> 02:17:44,840
Speaker 1: Dusty may would be somebody that then you look at

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02:17:44,879 --> 02:17:47,520
Speaker 1: and go, that's interesting. I think if he coaches someplace else,

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02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:50,200
Speaker 1: it will be in the NBA. Yeah, that's why. I mean,

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02:17:50,200 --> 02:17:52,960
Speaker 1: there's no reason to leave Michigan right now, zero reason

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02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:55,959
Speaker 1: right Yeah? What is lined up on the big show?

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02:17:56,280 --> 02:17:57,959
Speaker 6: Well, Chris Wells is going to join us, I think

2430
02:17:57,959 --> 02:17:59,960
Speaker 6: from Miami and Miami Marlins and the Reds. We're gonna

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02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:03,480
Speaker 6: Menajor League Baseball with Chris. I'm going to wait on Dusty.

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02:18:03,600 --> 02:18:05,160
Speaker 6: Some people would ask if he was going to come on.

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02:18:05,240 --> 02:18:06,680
Speaker 6: I'm going to give him a little bit of a

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02:18:06,879 --> 02:18:08,520
Speaker 6: because not only does he have to do all this

2435
02:18:08,600 --> 02:18:10,520
Speaker 6: stuff that's going on nationally, but get he got the

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02:18:10,560 --> 02:18:11,360
Speaker 6: transfer portal.

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02:18:11,440 --> 02:18:13,959
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna shell out with him. He was cool

2438
02:18:14,040 --> 02:18:15,080
Speaker 1: enough to come on last week.

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02:18:15,120 --> 02:18:17,680
Speaker 6: We'll wait later on this week to get Dusty May

2440
02:18:17,800 --> 02:18:20,080
Speaker 6: on and talk about last night, which was awesome, and

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02:18:20,120 --> 02:18:21,120
Speaker 6: I wanted to give a shout out to.

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02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:22,040
Speaker 1: Bralyn Mullins too.

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02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:24,160
Speaker 6: And I know that a kid in a friend of

2444
02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:27,680
Speaker 6: the show would love to have seen more shots go down.

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02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:31,720
Speaker 6: But you could see after the game, Jake, how much

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02:18:32,040 --> 02:18:34,880
Speaker 6: again the effect that that had, that situation had, and

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02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:36,840
Speaker 6: how much he wants it, how much he is into

2448
02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:40,279
Speaker 6: ball By the reaction of the disappointment. I know everybody's

2449
02:18:40,280 --> 02:18:41,920
Speaker 6: going to be disappointed, but you could just tell in

2450
02:18:42,040 --> 02:18:44,240
Speaker 6: some dudes, and you could really tell with his postgamer.

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Speaker 1: No, I think he goes NBA. Now what do you think?

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02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure. Here's the thing. I spelled it

2453
02:18:49,800 --> 02:18:52,240
Speaker 1: out earlier, though deeper draft this year, so you may

2454
02:18:52,240 --> 02:18:55,600
Speaker 1: be better off waiting the year right, still can make

2455
02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:58,080
Speaker 1: good money at Connecticut next year. I could see him

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02:18:58,120 --> 02:18:59,280
Speaker 1: waiting more than anything else.

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Speaker 6: I think it all depends on where he would be slotted,

2458
02:19:02,920 --> 02:19:04,360
Speaker 6: just like it would any play, and that's.

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02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:06,280
Speaker 1: Really all you have to say. I think some still

2460
02:19:06,320 --> 02:19:09,240
Speaker 1: think he'd be lottery, so we'll see, right, So all right,

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Speaker 1: John's up next. We'll be back with you at noon tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: and I thank you for listening to the quarry Company,