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Speaker 1: It's Monday, it's twelve thirty. It's fish.

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Speaker 2: Fernando puts the man behind him that is black. Here's

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Speaker 1: Handoff goes to Kaelon fights his way.

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Speaker 2: Through it, and he breaks the tackle.

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Speaker 3: Niko radicch on for the extra point prize on its

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Speaker 2: So then Diana continues to pour it on.

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Speaker 1: Here and they now lead at thirty one to three

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Speaker 1: over the Crimson time.

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Speaker 4: What are you thinking now, Paul find Bob the Voice

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Speaker 4: of the Hoosiers, Don Fisher, joining Query in company on

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Speaker 4: ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 2: He has done this before.

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Speaker 3: In terms of calling a national championship game for Indiana.

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Speaker 3: He did it in nineteen seventy six, eighty one and

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Speaker 3: eighty seven again in two thousand and two. But now

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Speaker 3: on the football side of things. The Voice of the Hoosiers,

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Speaker 3: Don Fisher, joins us on the Java House Peel and

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Speaker 3: poor guest line. Don, it is at an awfully nice

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Speaker 3: day to be an Indiana Hoosier.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt about that, Jake Special, There's no question.

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Speaker 4: Although my location as we currently speak, is in a

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Speaker 4: hallway of which at one end is a female's restroom

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Speaker 4: and the other end is a male's restroom. But it's

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Speaker 4: the only place I could find. It was quiet in

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Speaker 3: I'll bet you know what, don Here's the thing. The

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Speaker 3: population in Indiana somewhere around seven and a half million something.

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Speaker 3: I'm guesstimating off the top of my head seven point

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Speaker 3: three million, of which are within a twenty mile vicinity

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Speaker 3: of you right now.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 5: I would bet money on it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's get to this. Don you know.

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Speaker 3: I was just talking in the open about this and

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Speaker 3: this team, and I say team. It's interesting that in

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Speaker 3: the year that Indiana for the first time would have

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Speaker 3: in their trophy case the award for the best individual

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Speaker 3: in a college football season, in the Heisman Trophy with Mendoza,

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Speaker 3: that it would come in a year that it is

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Speaker 3: my belief this is the greatest team in terms of collectiveness.

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Speaker 3: That's take anything away from other teams, but this is

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Speaker 3: just a remarkable team effort in terms of guys working

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Speaker 3: in unison with one another. Is it even a stronger

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Speaker 3: bond than it was, say, a year ago when Kurt

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Speaker 3: Signetti first got here.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's any question about it.

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Speaker 4: You're still going through the growing pains of a first

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Speaker 4: year coach and first year players and transfer portal guys

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Speaker 4: that were blending in with the guys from the previous program,

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Speaker 4: those kinds of things. But you can tell the way

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Speaker 4: this team has played this year, how close they are

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Speaker 4: as a team, and how much each of these guys

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Speaker 4: are going to be friends for life with them. I

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Speaker 4: mean the yesterday they get through the walkthrough at a

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Speaker 5: Were literally out there.

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Speaker 4: After they get done, they wrap things up, and they

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Speaker 4: this is our last practice together. And it was amazing

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Speaker 3: You know, Don and Holly Road that was there for ESPN,

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Speaker 3: she was like you, she was emotional in talking about

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Speaker 3: witnessing that right. And I think that there is a

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Speaker 3: great lesson that all of us can have. I mentioned

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Speaker 3: that earlier in seeing it's about coming together for a

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Speaker 3: mean it that way, but you know, I'm curious of this.

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Speaker 3: A couple of things just in previewing this game. First off,

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Speaker 3: that is, you have been around this. Did they treat

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Speaker 2: Did they treat it?

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Speaker 3: Did Kurt Signetti, from a scheduling standpoint or operative standpoint,

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Speaker 5: No, they did not.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's treated a little bit differently simply because

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Speaker 4: the obligations the coach and the players have from the media,

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Speaker 4: but from any other perspective, No, it was treated exactly

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Speaker 4: the things that they do, because it's a consistency thing.

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Speaker 4: It's doing all the right stuff, trying to keep the

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Speaker 4: rat poison as he calls it, and the warm and

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Speaker 5: Right now.

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Speaker 4: I think that's one of the the reasons that bond

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Speaker 4: just think they are the best team I've ever been around.

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Speaker 4: And I'm talking about team now. I'm not talking about talent.

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Speaker 2: Don What things?

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Speaker 3: Don Fisher is my guest Java House Peel and poor

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Speaker 3: guest line the voice of the Hoosiers. In listening to

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Speaker 4: Talks about the physicality of Miami, how they are, how

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Speaker 4: they've got a terrific offensive line, They've got very good

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Speaker 4: And there's no question I think they played some of

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Speaker 4: one of Indiana's strengths too. I think this defense for

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Speaker 4: it is that nothing has changed, Jake from what we

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Speaker 2: Don let me wrap with this.

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Speaker 3: You know I mentioned earlier Indiana football has played one

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Speaker 3: is do you get nervous?

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Speaker 4: Generally speaking, I don't get nervous in the sense of,

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Speaker 4: you know, doing the broadcast. No, I don't get nervous

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Speaker 5: Go right for Indiana. They haven't.

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Speaker 4: But back with Kurt Signetti again this year, they've gone

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Speaker 4: I'll be a little bit nervous in that regard, but

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Speaker 4: I'm still believing that this guy is the best coach

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Speaker 2: Now, don several people you know this. I know this,

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Speaker 3: I know what Don Fisher means to Indiana football, to

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Speaker 3: Indiana basketball, just to Indiana sports in general, and to

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Speaker 4: All it means to me in the sense of what

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Speaker 4: in time during all these years we've been watching it.

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Speaker 4: So this team, without question has been the most successful

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Speaker 2: If they win? Will you cry? Please? You need to cry?

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Speaker 2: Can you cry on there? If they win?

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Speaker 2: I mean you literally? It'll be representation of the entire state.

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Speaker 2: Can you? Can you get it done?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing, Jake, you continue to put these emotional

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Speaker 2: Listen, it's only natural.

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Speaker 3: That's my point now, Like it is, Look, I mean

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Speaker 4: And here we are, right, yep, we are. We were

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Speaker 4: two national championships in eighty one and eighty seven. But

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Speaker 4: last time I really had tears in my eyes from

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Speaker 4: didn't I didn't cry, but I literally had tears running

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Speaker 2: I think that was thirty eight ten.

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Speaker 3: I could be wrong in the score, but the two

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Speaker 3: Don Fisher and Earl Bruce, we know that much.

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Speaker 2: That much, we know right Mine were happy tears were

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Speaker 5: They had Ohio State history.

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Speaker 3: Remember I remember, Oh yeah, I remember it well, trust me, Don.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait for tonight and to hear the call

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Speaker 3: and listen.

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Speaker 2: But we shall see.

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Speaker 3: But I certainly appreciate the time as always over the

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, Jake, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Bud John Fisher, the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, who

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Speaker 3: the program. Chap Let's get right to this Buffalo making

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, sort of, I mean, but it shows you.

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Speaker 6: It's funny. All this does is fuel my son's anger

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Speaker 3: Chap I thought this weekend and then let me let

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Speaker 3: Always like a half a day late, and they're reactive,

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Speaker 6: You've got to give him his fifth year option, which

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Speaker 6: you will, it's like twenty six miil. But then if

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Speaker 6: he doesn't really improve a lot, you're going to give

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Speaker 6: him fifty million a year minimum.

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Speaker 1: No, So of course I say no.

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Speaker 2: I think if anything playing b Chap for if anything

446
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Speaker 2: for CJ.

447
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Speaker 3: Stroud, what we saw is that Houston needs to make

448
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Speaker 3: sure they have home field advantage and not play outdoors in.

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Speaker 2: Brutal weather, you know what I mean. I'm not saying

450
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Speaker 2: that was the reason, but man, that was brutal.

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Speaker 6: Can I see, they're the only team that's winless in

452
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Speaker 6: divisional games since the Super Bowl, and that takes up

453
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Speaker 6: takes in a lot of crappy teams, the Jets and

454
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Speaker 6: all that. So yeah, and that's not a good thing.

455
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Speaker 6: It's too when you go on the road and all

456
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Speaker 6: that stuff that's you've got, you just can't. He just looked,

457
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 6: he looked scared, panicked, and made some really bad plays

458
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Speaker 6: that were either the defense either forced them or he

459
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Speaker 6: forced them. However you want to look at it, and

460
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Speaker 6: there's another perfect example. They're wasting an elite defense with

461
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Speaker 6: those pass rushers and everybody else, and what do you

462
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Speaker 6: got to show for it? Well, okay, you got a

463
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Speaker 6: couple of playoffs or I guess it's three straight playoff spots.

464
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Speaker 6: But that's not what people are in this for. And

465
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Speaker 6: that's why I understand the local frustration. Is you're not

466
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Speaker 6: even getting in and not winning your first round game.

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Speaker 6: You're not getting in, and that's unacceptable. It's just totally unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: Chap.

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Speaker 3: If we talked to you a week from today, we

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Speaker 3: will be previewing the Super Bowl between what two teams.

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Speaker 6: Oh, the Rams and the Patriots. And I hate the Patriots,

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Speaker 6: but I'm not a big Denver fan either, especially with

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Speaker 6: bow Nicks out. I mean, it's funny, great trivia thing

474
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Speaker 6: that somebody put out there over the weekend, is that

475
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Speaker 6: is that Jared Stidham has a chance to be only

476
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Speaker 6: the second quarterback to start his first game of a

477
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Speaker 6: season in the playoffs and win it. Did you see

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Speaker 6: who the other?

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Speaker 1: Who? The only guy is?

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Speaker 2: Boy, that's good, it's a really good question. Wait, his

481
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Speaker 2: first start ever in the playoffs?

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, his first start of a season

483
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Speaker 6: got in the playoffs and he won.

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Speaker 1: It hit me and he won two.

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Speaker 3: Frank Raich, Yeah, okay, but I realized I knew he

486
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Speaker 3: was the back and one of them.

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Speaker 2: He was down thirty five points, right.

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Speaker 6: He's that's when he started, and because Kelly was out

489
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Speaker 6: and he's only had the greatest comeback in the history

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Speaker 6: of the NFL after having the greatest history of the

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Speaker 6: in the College of Maryland. So I text Frank and

492
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Speaker 6: he said, yeah, I kind of thought I had that.

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Speaker 6: He said, you know I won too that year. I thought, yes,

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Speaker 6: you did so. Uh So that that's the whole thing.

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Speaker 6: It's it's getting the right guy and in as I guess,

496
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Speaker 6: we go down a different rabbit hole in surrounding him

497
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Speaker 6: with with the right roster. Uh And and you know,

498
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Speaker 6: Houston hasn't done that, Buffalo hasn't done that in their

499
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Speaker 6: waste and their waste and some really quality years from

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Speaker 6: an elite quarterback the Chargers. We Justin Herbert only smokes

501
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Speaker 6: if you're if you're building an NFL roster from start,

502
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Speaker 6: and you threw all these players into a hat, wouldn't

503
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Speaker 6: you Among the top five guys you take are Josh

504
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Speaker 6: Allen and Justin Herbert. Yes, Mahomes, but I need your

505
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Speaker 6: guys that just haven't gotten there yet, more so with

506
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Speaker 6: Herbert than Allen obviously, But it's it's it sort of goes.

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Speaker 6: You've got to have the quarterback to be to be

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Speaker 6: a serious contender for something. But obviously that's not enough.

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Speaker 6: We saw that in Indy with with Peyton all those

510
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Speaker 6: great years. See he remember the Star Wars Comed from

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Speaker 6: from from.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy multiple Lombardi's baby, multiple Lombardies.

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Speaker 6: Fortunately near the end he quit. He quit that because

514
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Speaker 6: it just was it just didn't come across right.

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Speaker 3: Chap, tell me the biggest IU football fan you know tonight,

516
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Speaker 3: when you're watching that game, you're going to be thinking

517
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Speaker 3: of who Bill Benner?

518
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Speaker 6: Bill Benneruh, because I know I know what he's one

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Speaker 6: of those you guys that he's been there on those

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Speaker 6: cold maybe not rainy saturdays in Bloomington to where they're

521
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Speaker 6: getting their ass handed to them by Rutgers or ball

522
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Speaker 6: State church and uh and and now he's he's there

523
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Speaker 6: and he's going to enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: And I know there's others.

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Speaker 6: But it's funny because my grandson's got a an EU shirt.

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Speaker 6: My granddaughterly had to go ahead and get here and

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Speaker 6: now you shirts so they can work tonight and they're not.

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Speaker 6: This is This is what we always argue with people

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Speaker 6: about the importance of sports. This is this is one

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Speaker 6: of the side products of sports. It just brings people together.

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Speaker 2: It does.

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Speaker 1: And this team it's it's and that's like when you

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Speaker 1: called for Super Bowl or all this it's just different

534
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Speaker 1: around the community. It is.

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Speaker 6: It brings people together. And that's what I hope they

536
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Speaker 6: finished this tonight the right way and then I can

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00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 6: you know, it can deal with Reddy Wayne being pissed off.

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Speaker 2: That's right. But this is a great run, all right, Chap.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: We'll pibbe talk to you next week to preview the

541
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl and figure out what happened over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: but certainly appreciate it, enjoy the game tonight, well, guys

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Speaker 3: h right, Mac Chapel joining us on the Java House,

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Speaker 3: Peel and poor guest Line. Zach Osterman joins us now

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Speaker 3: from Miami. He is with the Indianapolis Star and as

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Speaker 3: the beat writer for Indiana Football. Zach, first off, just

547
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Speaker 3: set the scene because somebody just told me that already

548
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Speaker 3: down there they are telling people to start heading towards

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Speaker 3: the stadium because of the President, you know, coming to

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Speaker 3: the game, and in addition to that, just the overall

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Speaker 3: getting in aspect of it, that it already is starting

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Speaker 3: to back up just a little bit. But what's the

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Speaker 3: what's the overall sense and feel in Miami?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the sort of local feedback.

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Speaker 7: I think, even before anything else with the hard rock

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Speaker 7: stadium is already not particularly well well equipped for the

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Speaker 7: big crowds, and that people need to need to be

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Speaker 7: kind of prepared for that.

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Speaker 1: I will freely.

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Speaker 7: Admit that that we and the media are going to

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Speaker 7: be getting a police scored up there. So I mean,

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Speaker 7: we're gonna have to get there I think about four

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Speaker 7: hours for the game, but we should be more alright

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Speaker 7: than most in terms of getting in. But it's listen,

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Speaker 7: it's you know, it's I think there's there's excitement around.

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Speaker 7: It's it's not quite like, for example, the Peach Bowl.

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Speaker 7: Probably a little bit more like the Rose Bowl in

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Speaker 7: the sense that the game is not in the same

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Speaker 7: centralized location where all the fans are. You know, fans

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Speaker 7: have uh, you know, in Atlanta kind of congregated downtown.

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Speaker 7: That's where the stadium was, and so you did have

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, it felt like an SEC championship game. Frankly,

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Speaker 7: especially if like Georgia or Alabama was in town. This

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Speaker 7: feels a little bit more like the Rose Bowl where

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Speaker 7: it's it's going to be you know a lot of

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Speaker 7: people kind of converging from from parts a little more distant.

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Speaker 7: Miami fans because a lot of them are probably just

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Speaker 7: coming from home.

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Speaker 1: In Indiana fans because you've got some in South Beach.

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Speaker 7: I think you got some up in midtown, some downtown,

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Speaker 7: some stand further up the coast toward the Isles and

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Speaker 7: Fort Lauderdale. But I think it's it is. I think

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Speaker 7: the word has pretty well gotten out that people need

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Speaker 7: to be prepared to get there early enough that I

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Speaker 7: don't think any is going to get blindsided by traffic

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Speaker 7: close to game time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's get to what Don Fisher and I were

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Speaker 3: talking about earlier, Zach. But that is from what you've

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Speaker 3: been able to gather in talking with Kurt Signetti, listening

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Speaker 3: to the players, and et cetera. As Indiana has done

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Speaker 3: their research now on Miami, what is it about the

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Speaker 3: Hurricanes that jumps out to you, or more specifically to

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Speaker 3: what Indiana appears to be aware of about Miami.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think the thing that you can't say

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Speaker 7: from Miami more than anything else at that pass rush.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 7: I know some people have said that statistically Indiana's pass

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Speaker 7: rush is actually a little bit more productive or a

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Speaker 7: little bit more consistent. I would argue there's not a

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Speaker 7: more disruptive rush in the country, you know, with with

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Speaker 7: fame as the door moten. You know, I went back

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Speaker 7: and watched some of that Ohio State film, and I

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Speaker 7: know Ohio State offensive line wasn't necessarily been to this year,

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Speaker 7: but I mean it was, you know, it was terrifying

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Speaker 7: at times just how how chaotic they got, how hectic.

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Speaker 7: You know, they were sort of able to kind of

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Speaker 7: make that front and really just mix things up and

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Speaker 7: get Julian Sane out of his comfort zone. Very similar,

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Speaker 7: frankly to what Indiana did to Ohio State. I think,

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Speaker 7: you know, it's we could talk a little bit about

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Speaker 7: the other side of the line of scrimmage and the

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Speaker 7: sides of Miami's offensive line. What they're good at, what

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Speaker 7: they're not, maybe not the most mobile, but very very strong.

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Speaker 7: They play tight splits, they'll kind of lean on you.

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Speaker 7: But that Miami defensive line and that Miami pass rush specifically,

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Speaker 7: I think that is where, for my money, the game

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Speaker 7: is won and lost. If Indiana can control that, I

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Speaker 7: think the path to a Miami win.

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Speaker 1: Becomes just devilishly narrow.

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Speaker 7: And if Indiana can't, that's when I think you start

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Speaker 7: presenting Miami some opportunities to look this game up, to

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Speaker 7: turn it into something that looks a little bit like

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Speaker 7: the Texas A and M game, like the Ohio State game,

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Speaker 7: or especially the Ohio State game, or Miami gets out

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Speaker 7: ahead and Ohio State just has to spend too much

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Speaker 7: time clawing back into the game to ultimately win it.

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Speaker 7: I think that, you know, more than anything else, I'm

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Speaker 7: watching that Miami defensive front versus Indiana's offensive line. Indiana's

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Speaker 7: offensive game plan, we've seen them go with two tight ends.

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Speaker 7: We've seen them in this playoff go with six linemen

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Speaker 7: and throw an extra linement out there for some of.

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Speaker 1: Their run sets. We saw that against Alabama.

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Speaker 7: I think Indiana would be would do well to bring

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Speaker 7: some of that back on the field tonight and just

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Speaker 7: maybe try and take the legs out from under that

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Speaker 7: pass rush, wear them down as the game goes on,

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Speaker 7: and maybe by the third, by the fourth quarter, it's

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Speaker 7: just not getting home, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Zach.

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Speaker 3: Earlier someone sent me a message that said Kurt Signetti

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Speaker 3: might be a great coach, but rather he's a great

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Speaker 3: He's great at getting twenty five year olds to play

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Speaker 3: in college football. What can be said to dismiss the

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Speaker 3: theory or to I guess, you know, the point of Look,

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Speaker 3: these are all five and six year guys and productivity

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Speaker 3: over potential, et cetera. What are the realities and the

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Speaker 3: numbers for Indiana in terms of their experience versus others?

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Speaker 7: I mean they are experienced that they are not they

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Speaker 7: are not overly so it's a little bit overplayed. I

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Speaker 7: think because people have looked for reasons why Indiana doesn't

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Speaker 7: fit the mold of you know what. In fairness, people

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Speaker 7: have been you know, mocked the Blue tiperation and all that,

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Speaker 7: but listen, you know, we had twenty twenty five years

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Speaker 7: of evidence of sample size that said, if you didn't

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Speaker 7: recruit at this level, if you didn't produce NFL players

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Speaker 7: at this level, you probably weren't going to win a

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Speaker 7: national championship. And we can go back to the eighties

658
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Speaker 7: and seventies, and we can look at your Georgia Techs

659
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 7: and your BYUS and you know, some other teams that

660
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 7: want it all back then that maybe maybe weren't quite

661
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 7: as talented and maybe, you know, maybe we're just entering

662
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 7: a different era.

663
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think people.

664
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 7: Reached for Indiana's age as an explanation for why the Hoosiers,

665
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 7: you know, maybe we're able to kind of defy that convention.

666
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: They are older.

667
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 7: You know, they were not statistically the oldest team in

668
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 7: this playoffs, and I forget who was a couple of

669
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 7: different people crunch the numbers and I don't have them

670
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 7: right in front of me. Forgive me, but they're not

671
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 7: statistically the oldest team in this playoffs. They do have

672
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 7: some old guys. It's we're saying the oldest starters in

673
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 7: this game are playing for Miami, not for Indiana. But

674
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 7: I think because Indiana sort of embodies a lot of

675
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 7: these these overturned conventions in college football, that you can

676
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 7: that you need three or four years to flip a roster,

677
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 7: that you need an elite level of talent to win

678
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 7: at the top of the conference, like the Big Time

679
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 7: of the SEC. You know that you can that you

680
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 7: can do what India, what Chrisgetti had done in a

681
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 7: program like you. I think people have reached for the

682
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 7: sort of most easily explainable factors, and age is undeniably

683
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 7: one of those. I just don't think I think it

684
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 7: has gotten overplayed.

685
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: At this point. I think just how old Indiana is.

686
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: The game itself Zach Indiana, by the way, Zach Osterman's

687
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: Our Guest Jaba House Peel and Poor Guest line. Indiana

688
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: has played in big games this year at Oregon was huge,

689
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: you know, the Big Ten title game here was huge,

690
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: The Road Bowl, the Peach Bowl. Which one do you

691
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 3: think in terms of expectation, fan excitement, pressure, people doubting them,

692
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: et cetera. Which game or moment this year do you

693
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: think is most prepared Indiana for this moment?

694
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: Probably the Ohio State game.

695
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 7: I think I think we would have said the first

696
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 7: Sorgan game until we got to this playoff run. But

697
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 7: I think the Ohio State game was the one that

698
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 7: came with a number one. You know, it was it

699
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 7: was very fifty to fifty in that stadium. It was

700
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 7: a dome environment, so that the noise was trapped in,

701
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 7: but it was you know, it wasn't like the Rose Ball,

702
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 7: wasn't like the Peach Bowl. And it's not gonna be

703
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 7: that way tonight, you know, in terms of it's not

704
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 7: going to be heavily Indiana fans, but I don't think

705
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 7: it's gonna be heavily Miami fans either.

706
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: I think it might be a you know.

707
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 7: Thirty five, sixty five, forty sixty, fifty fifty, maybe even

708
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 7: I guess some of it will probably depend on who

709
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 7: gets a hold of the you know, the Lion's share

710
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 7: of those sort of neutral corporate seats in the middle.

711
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 7: But more in terms of the hype around the game,

712
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 7: the intensity of the attention, the distraction, the you know,

713
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 7: just all the things that could sort of shake Indiana

714
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 7: away from what has made Indiana so good this season.

715
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 7: And then of course the physical demands of that game

716
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 7: that was. You know, I would argue that is the

717
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 7: only other defensive front that Indiana has seen this season.

718
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: That is that is as good as the one.

719
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 7: They're going to see tonight with Kayden Curry and rvel

720
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 7: Reefs and you know, the sunny styles coming up towards

721
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage and all that kind of stuff.

722
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 7: I think, both in terms of the physical test and

723
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 7: also maybe in terms of the test of how you

724
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 7: handle the build up, how you handle the attention, how

725
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 7: you handle the in game adjustments, I think that Ohio

726
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 7: State game is probably the most analogous experience so far

727
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 7: this year.

728
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: Have you noticed any change at all, Zach Eddie?

729
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: And I'm not asking that rhetorically, I'm legitimately asking have

730
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: you seen any change in Indiana's mood, looseness, you know, tightness, focus,

731
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 3: whatever might be. I mean, this is such an uncharted

732
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: territory for any program, really, but for Indiana and specifically

733
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 3: and everything that goes into the commitments, the obligations, the media,

734
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: all of it. Have you noticed any sort of change

735
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: of demeanor of Indiana?

736
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 7: No, to be honest, that was actually one of my

737
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 7: biggest takeaways from the media day that they held here

738
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 7: on Saturday, they had you know, basically all of both

739
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 7: staves and both teams over at the South Miami South

740
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 7: Beach Convention Center. And you know, I wouldn't say Indiana

741
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 7: was too loose. You know, they weren't arrogant, that no

742
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 7: one was making you know, predictions or anything like that,

743
00:37:54,680 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 7: but there was a sense that they just that this team,

744
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 7: you did not get the sense they were tense or

745
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 7: tight or anxious at all. I think, you know, I

746
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 7: think it's Mike Nigelick, my colleague, and I kind of

747
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 7: got into an argument over this, a good natured argument

748
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 7: of course, but an argument over this on our podcast yesterday,

749
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 7: where I said, and Mike disagreed that he felt this

750
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 7: quite as palpably that I thought there was some of

751
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 7: that ahead of the Rose Bowl.

752
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: Not a ton, but I thought it was.

753
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 7: I thought it was tangible, especially just just the anxiousness

754
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 7: of the long layoff and wanting to get playing again,

755
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 7: wanting to get back into that rhythm, being almost like

756
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 7: annoyed more than anything else that they had to spend

757
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 7: so much time waiting for between the big championship game

758
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 7: and the start of the Rose Bowl, and how do

759
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 7: they manage all that time off and when do you

760
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 7: start prepping for the actual game itself, and all these

761
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 7: different considerations. I think the Peach Bowl and the National

762
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 7: title game. This team has found that rhythm again, that

763
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 7: sort of you know, this is okay. Maybe there's an

764
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 7: extra day or two, but this is just a game week,

765
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 7: it's another game, it's another opponent. Here's how we scout,

766
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 7: Here's how we pair, Here's how we recover from the

767
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 7: last game, Here's how we get ready for the next one.

768
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 7: And I think that it was tangible to me. And

769
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 7: this may matter, it may not, we'll see, but it

770
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 7: was tangible to me. I didn't since Miami was nervous

771
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 7: or anxious or overconfident or whatever. I don't know Miami

772
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 7: as well, though I know Indiana. I've been around the

773
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 7: team all season. They were the same, you know, in

774
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 7: the in the sort of forward facing build up to

775
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 7: this game that they have been all the way back

776
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 7: to Old Dominion on August thirty first or whatever that was.

777
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 7: There is there is no tangible change.

778
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: What about from the Miami standpoint?

779
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: Zach zach Osterman's My Guest Indianapolis Star, where you can

780
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: read his work and his coverage of this game in

781
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 3: Indiana all year long. He's on the job house Peelinport Gustline,

782
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: Java house dot com is the website from the Miami standpoint.

783
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: In talking and listening to Mario Christobal and their players,

784
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: was there anything aside from what you would expect them

785
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 3: to say about did they did they tip the hand

786
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: at all as to what they're game plan or their

787
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: angle that they're going to take with Indiana That jumped

788
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: out of you.

789
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: No.

790
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 7: Again, I think you know, you sort of feel this

791
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 7: in a in an NCAA tournament setting too, And that's

792
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 7: a little different final four and national title game turn

793
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 7: because there's there's so little time that you know, nobody's

794
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 7: going to try and reinvent the wheel. But by the

795
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 7: time you get to that point in the season, and

796
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 7: my experience, if you are still playing, if you're still

797
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 7: in a semi final, if you're playing in a final

798
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 7: a title game, you know, generally your attitude is a

799
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 7: lot less about here all the things we have to

800
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 7: worry about on the other side of the line of scrimmage. Here,

801
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 7: all the clever ways we're going to you know, scheme

802
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 7: against their pressures or against their run fits, or against

803
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 7: their receivers or their route combinations, and it's a lot

804
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 7: more just sort of, hey, we trust what got us here.

805
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 7: You know, this is our identity, this is who we are.

806
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 7: This is how we won.

807
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: You know, in Indianas CA fifteen games.

808
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 7: In Miami's case, thirteen games, or maybe it's fourteen now

809
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 7: I can't remember.

810
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: But you know, this is how we.

811
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 7: This is how we got to this place, to this point,

812
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 7: and we're not going to change who we are. We're

813
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 7: going to, of course build the game plan to fit

814
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 7: this opponent strength as opposed to that opponent strengths and whatever.

815
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 7: But I think in the same way that Indiana didn't

816
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 7: feel really affected by this game, you know, you've got

817
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 7: a real sense that Miami just sort of said, listen,

818
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 7: we are you know, we're a physical team, We're a

819
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 7: tough team. We take a lot of our identity from

820
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 7: our head coach, who of course was an offensive.

821
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: Lineman at Miami.

822
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 7: But it's really, I think it's worth saying, really tried

823
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 7: to sort of like push away these sort of the

824
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 7: old perceptions of the.

825
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: U and the U is back and all.

826
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 7: Like he's really since he got to Miami, christ Ball

827
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 7: has been very sort of like, no, this is about

828
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 7: this team, this program, the identity of this group, and

829
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 7: we're not talking about trying to be what we were

830
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 7: in the eighties or what we were.

831
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: In the nineties.

832
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 7: We're trying to talk about what we're going to be

833
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 7: right now. And I think Miami has that mentality coming

834
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 7: into this game of we trust what goddess here. We're tough,

835
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 7: we're physical, we're strong, we're athletic. Obviously they're playing Oh.

836
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 7: I think that's going to be an advantage for them.

837
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 7: You know, they haven't had to. I think they've been

838
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 7: in a team hotel all week, but they've been using

839
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 7: all their own facilities. They'll be in their own locker

840
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 7: room tonight, you know, all that stuff, all that familiarity

841
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 7: will probably help. I don't think either of these teams is,

842
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 7: you know, is coming into this game thinking we are

843
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 7: going to do something dramatically different to try and sort.

844
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: Of outstrategize the opponent.

845
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of at this point, listening

846
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 7: to Hayes in the barn, we are who we are,

847
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 7: we believe in who we are, and we believe that's

848
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 7: going to be good enough to win us the game tonight.

849
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: What percent of Hard Rock Stadium tonight. Do you believe

850
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: we'll be wearing red?

851
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I'll be a little conservative and say

852
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 7: I think maybe thirty five percent, maybe forty. I know

853
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 7: there are some people who who and I'm not smart

854
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 7: enough to read ticket trends and things, I know there

855
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 7: are some people who have said they think that that

856
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 7: the way that tickets have been moving, the cost, the

857
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 7: places they've been purchased from, et cetera, suggest that Indiana

858
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 7: fans might outnumber Miami fans. There is also, as I

859
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 7: mentioned earlier, that huge chunk of neutral tickets and you

860
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 7: don't know, like like basically corporate tickets, and you don't

861
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 7: know who's going to wind up with those. Did that

862
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 7: lean more toward Miami because we're in Miami, And maybe

863
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 7: just like some local businesses and things bought some of

864
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 7: those up long before they knew who was going to

865
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 7: be in the game. I don't know, but I don't

866
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 7: think it's I would be surprised if it is a

867
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 7: true road atmosphere for Indiana. I think it's I think

868
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 7: it is going to be tangible, the Indiana noise, in

869
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 7: the Indiana support in that in that stadium tonight.

870
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: Because my understanding is that basically from Oh, I don't know,

871
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: like Daytona South, it has been nothing but people wearing

872
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,479
Speaker 3: red at every bar and restaurant for like a four

873
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 3: hour span throughout South Florida and Central Florida and North Florida.

874
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: Correct.

875
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again like it's it's not like Atlanta.

876
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 7: Like I I've met a friend for coffee the afternoon

877
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 7: at Peach Full and All High school friend who's a

878
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 7: Georgia fan, and we were just walking around downtown, just

879
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 7: just catching up, and he was remarking the same thing

880
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 7: I was, This feels like when George is in town,

881
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 7: when Alabamas in town. But that's different because you know

882
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 7: that game is built to be hosted by downtown Atlanta.

883
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 7: You can get to the you can get to downtown

884
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 7: on the train in fifteen minutes. There's tons of hotels,

885
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 7: the stadium is right there, it's walkable. This is not

886
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 7: that way like hard Rock Stadium is up in Miami Gardens.

887
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 7: You know, downtown Miami has horrible traffic. Something I think

888
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 7: a few of us have learned to our own, to

889
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 7: our own.

890
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: Expense in the last in the last few days.

891
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 7: And there's also the element too like, you know, I've

892
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 7: had some people say to me, you know, I see

893
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 7: Indiana fans outnumbering Miami fans wherever I go, and it's

894
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 7: sort of like, get that, but remember that a lot

895
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 7: of Miami fans aren't where you're going because they live here.

896
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 7: They're not they don't have to go out to eat

897
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 7: every night because they're they're just at home. It'll feel

898
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 7: different in the stadium. But again, I think we have

899
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 7: seen Indiana fans. I would even go back to the

900
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 7: regular season. You think about the extent to which Indiana

901
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 7: fans probably outnumbered Purdue fans. Unless I was on the

902
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 7: sideline at the end of the Maryland game, there were

903
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 7: probably fifteen to twenty thousand Indiana fans in the stands

904
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 7: at Maryland. Like, this fan base has absolutely kind of

905
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 7: rallied behind the idea of following this team, you know,

906
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 7: all the way. Like it it's you know, I love

907
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 7: European soccer. It is a badge of honor to be

908
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 7: part of a group of fans that follows the team

909
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 7: home and away all year long. And the teams that

910
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 7: have like won European Cups and Champions Leagues. You'll have

911
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 7: old timers who will tell you about, you know, all

912
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 7: the crazy travel stories about how they got to Berlin

913
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 7: or how they got to Appens, or how they got

914
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 7: to Paris or whatever, you know, bunking in the backseat

915
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 7: of vans and stuff like that, sleeping on the floors.

916
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 7: Like there's going to be I think winner lose tonight.

917
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 7: I think there's going to be some of that with

918
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 7: Indiana fans in years to come, that this team in

919
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 7: particular and this run, this kind of march to the

920
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 7: National Championship Game, there are a lot of people that

921
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 7: are going to be talking about, you know, just sort

922
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 7: of throwing causing to the wind and saying, I'm following

923
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 7: this train, you know, however far it rides down the track.

924
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: Zach, when you were what year did you join the Indianapolis.

925
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: Star twenty thirteen?

926
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: Okay, because my and I apologize for asking it this way.

927
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: My years all kind of run together. I know that

928
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: you guys, you know, do a variety of different beats.

929
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: You have not been on the Indiana beat that entire time, correct.

930
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: I was hired to the IU beat, so I've been.

931
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 7: I was working the IU beat for someone else for

932
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 7: twenty four seven sports and then before that I was

933
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 7: in grad school and I was part time, and I

934
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 7: worked a little IU, a little Notre Dame, a little

935
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 7: Purdue back in college sports that covered Indiana for the IDs.

936
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 7: But when I was hired, since i've gotten to the Star,

937
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 7: I've only been Indian.

938
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: So my apologies for that.

939
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 3: But the reason I ask, you know, and again my

940
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 3: timelines all get blurred, but I'm talking about and asking about,

941
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: and I will give you the opportunity to appine on

942
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: this as well.

943
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: People, you're happy for this run. People that were diehard.

944
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: Fans of Indiana or any other football that are no

945
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 3: longer with us or that are with us, and you're

946
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 3: just thrilled because they have been loyal through and through.

947
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 3: And you know, I mentioned Bob Jenkins for example. Several

948
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 3: people have mentioned Bill Benner, our friend jaylaw Turnbuckle, Bill

949
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: that listens to the show. A number of different people

950
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: have called in with their tribute, and somebody just pointed

951
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: out and I'm embarrassed, and I did not think of

952
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: this earlier. Terry Hutchins, who worked on the Indiana beat

953
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: and was you know, wrote several books about Indiana both

954
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: from a basketball and football standpoint, and was truly a

955
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: true gentleman and was always a good friend to me,

956
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: and I think to those that worked with him is

957
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: another that yes, there's a professionalism and an objectivity that

958
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: comes with covering a beat. But Terry, who was a

959
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: native Californian, became a Hoosier through and through, and I

960
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 3: think he also would have loved to have covered this run.

961
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: So certainly, thinking of Terry Hutchins, anybody that jumped out

962
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 3: of you throughout your journey and covering this team's act

963
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: that you think about and you say to yourself, it

964
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: is my professional obligation to simply cover the story. But

965
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 3: I have to admit that I'm happy for this person.

966
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I think I will freely admit that

967
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 7: there are probably more people than I can name, and

968
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 7: I'm scared to even start listing them because I'll forget somebody.

969
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: I think.

970
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 7: You know that I wrote a little bit about this

971
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 7: ups the Big Ten Championship Game, about different you know,

972
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 7: people like like I think anyone who knows Indiana football

973
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 7: knows Mark Deal, whose father played with George Taly Farrow

974
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 7: on the forty five team, whose brother Mike was a

975
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 7: captain on the sixty seventeen that went to the Rose Bowl.

976
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 7: Mark was in tears on the field at Lucas Oil

977
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 7: Stadium and he grabbed me and hugged me, and he said, finally,

978
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 7: the third deal is going to a Rose Bowl, or

979
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 7: you know, something like that.

980
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what he said.

981
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 7: I talked to Scott Dolson and he reminded me of

982
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 7: Andy Hipskin, who as Indianas Chief Medical officer for many years,

983
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 7: who've got to cancer a few years ago. I also

984
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 7: think you know it in terms of you know, people.

985
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: Who are still with us.

986
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 7: But I've had these conversations in text friends with old

987
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 7: friends from college, and you know, I never was because

988
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 7: of my chosen sort of career path and my time

989
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 7: at the IDs. I have no animosity at all toward

990
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 7: io athletics. It's given me, you know, a career, it's

991
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 7: given me some of my most rewarding professional moments. But

992
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 7: I also was never really pulled into the idea of

993
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 7: being an IU fan. But I have many friends who were,

994
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 7: and I have so many friends who thought this moment

995
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 7: would come, but they thought it would come in basketball,

996
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 7: and that they never really thought that this would be

997
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 7: a moment they could enjoy in football, and even last year,

998
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 7: Like I have friends who were so even last season

999
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 7: remained kind of skeptical, kind of you know, sort of, yeah,

1000
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 7: this will be a one season thing, but but we're

1001
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 7: not getting latched onto it. I you know, I had

1002
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 7: had these conversations really the last two games in particular,

1003
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 7: just saying listen, like, enjoy this and it doesn't matter

1004
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 7: in some ways if if they win or if they lose,

1005
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 7: because you know, I said this, I literally just said

1006
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 7: this to a Fuel fraternity brothers, Like years from now,

1007
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 7: you will tell your kids you were at the Rose

1008
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 7: Bowl or the Big Ten championship game or the Peachful.

1009
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 7: You will describe the noise that that that you know,

1010
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 7: I mean quite literally hurt my ears when de Angelo

1011
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 7: Pons picked that pass off and ran it into the

1012
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 7: end zone against Oregon on the first staf of the game.

1013
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 7: And your kids first question is not going to be

1014
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 7: did they win at all? Your kid's first question is

1015
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 7: not going to be, you know, like, it was it

1016
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 7: worth it? Because they lost to Miami it was It's

1017
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 7: going to be something like tell me about it, what

1018
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 7: was it?

1019
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: Like? How special was that? And I've just sort of

1020
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: told people.

1021
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 7: And try to enjoy this like I, you know, I

1022
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 7: said this to my friends. I said, I can't enjoy

1023
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 7: it the same way that you can. It's incredibly professionally

1024
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 7: rewarding for me to cover a story like this, you know,

1025
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 7: for me to have a a you know, sort of

1026
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 7: like a kind of a tale, to try and chronicle

1027
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 7: the way we have these last two years.

1028
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: And I've had my moments.

1029
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to make it myself, Like I had

1030
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 7: a slightly emotional moment at the Peach Bowl thinking about

1031
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 7: growing up wanting to be a reporter covering SEC football

1032
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 7: and growing up going to Peach Bowls and remembering, you know,

1033
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 7: all the big games that used to be played at

1034
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 7: the old Georgia Dome and thinking about, like this is

1035
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 7: where my career has kind of finally brought me full circle.

1036
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 7: But I can't enjoy it the way they can. And

1037
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 7: when I've just tried to tell people, is I hope,

1038
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 7: I hope you drink it in because stuff like this,

1039
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 7: especially this only happens once. Like, you know, maybe Indiana

1040
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 7: goes on a run here. They certainly have the resources,

1041
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 7: They've obviously got a head coach who's committed. Maybe Indiana

1042
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 7: is back on a stage like this in the not

1043
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 7: very future. But the first time always feels different, because

1044
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 7: it feels like the when everything is new and when

1045
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 7: everything seems unlikely. And there are, like I said, I mean,

1046
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 7: I could sit here and name you so many people

1047
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 7: that you know, Lee Butler, and I mean just people

1048
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 7: who've been around IU football forever. And frankly, I think

1049
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 7: you know people like this too, who are probably in

1050
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 7: a weird way, more connected with IU football than I

1051
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 7: you basketball. For whatever reason, it just grabbed them in

1052
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 7: a different way. Who thought that, you know, their lot

1053
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 7: in life forever would be to be staring up.

1054
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: At someone else's success.

1055
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 7: Connor Hitchcock, my good friend who who's Who's the elf

1056
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 7: found home field of peril in Indianapolis. There are genuinely

1057
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 7: so many people, And like I said, what I've told

1058
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 7: people is just enjoy this, because whether you win, whether

1059
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 7: you lose, you will only get to do it like

1060
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 7: this one time, and years and years from now you

1061
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 7: may remember that you won a national title. But what

1062
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 7: you will remember more than anything else is all the

1063
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 7: stuff that happened along the way that you thought was impossible,

1064
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 7: that you thought was was just was was you know,

1065
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 7: someone else's birthright, but it found you, and it found

1066
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 7: your program, and you just try to enjoy it as

1067
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 7: much as you can.

1068
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: One game for Indiana four quarters, Zach Austraman. Either way

1069
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: it goes, we'll have all of the coverage for it

1070
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: at the Indianapolis Stars. Zach, good luck getting in the

1071
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: stadium with the police escort, and appreciate the time as always.

1072
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely thanks for having me

1073
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: Zach Oustraman joining us on the Java House Peel and

1074
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 3: Poor Guest line.