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Speaker 3: and Alex Blow has a flat from right. A man

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Speaker 2: The PREDI and o't no no, and that is Foster.

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Speaker 3: Not willing to give that position of rookie, ultimately getting

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Speaker 2: Out of the lee. Oh he goes hi, Hi, he

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Speaker 3: Good will awaken from what has been a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: Year to the most beautiful dream. It will be a win.

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Speaker 3: Wall hat home in Nashville for Joseph Newgarden, and he

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Speaker 3: He will celebrate not just with any crowd, but.

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Speaker 2: With his crowd. Your champion, alex Is tenn and got

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Speaker 2: Assi Racing, one of, if not the most one sided

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Speaker 2: championship is over. So is twenty twenty five. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: Super Speedway, and Joseph Newgarten's nightmare season at least has

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Speaker 2: a pleasant awakening. Now it's next. Will Power is officially

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Speaker 2: is he headed? What about Colton Herda? There's Rena's VK news.

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Speaker 2: I'll take some guesses at open seats and much more. Hello, Welcome,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. Highlights courtesy of Fox Sports of

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Speaker 2: Nashville Super Speedway season finale on Sunday afternoon. Another banger,

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Speaker 2: the kids would say, especially beginning and end with some

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Speaker 2: with us landon Coon's in our Indianapolis studio. Kurt we

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Speaker 2: I believe that's going to need to wait a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I think it could most Yeah, people saw it. Well,

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Speaker 2: just don't it could be next week. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Don't know, twelve twenty four hours, it pretty much provided that.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's start with Willpower the first. As they like

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Speaker 2: to say, Domino has fallen. A confirmation this morning at

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Speaker 2: Team Penske announced that Power will depart the team prior

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Speaker 1: Well, let's start with the idea that we've talked about

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Speaker 2: And I think so the one year scenario is acceptable

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Speaker 1: I think all of that is true. I do think

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Speaker 2: Does he do more than two years? I think it's

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Speaker 2: Twitter doesn't pay, I don't if I didn't get the things.

430
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll respond to one on Twitter. But it's not

431
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: a Q and A session that because I have a

432
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: radio show. Yeah, if I didn't have a radio show,

433
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: maybe I would do a Q and A on Twitter.

434
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: But that's what the radio show in the podcast is

435
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: for us to kind of discuss things and see what

436
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: people are talking about. Nathan Brown, I should find this

437
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 2: and see the exact quote on this said something along

438
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: the lines. There are a lot of Paddock whispers about

439
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: Joseph Nugart. Now I'm going to look it up. I'm

440
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: going to find the quote while I let you talk

441
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 2: about this or whatever you'd like to for just a moments.

442
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: So what I'm getting to is, I think you wanted

443
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: some insurance in case something happened. So that's another reason

444
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: why you wanted to wait until the end of the season.

445
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: I think they also might have wanted to see how

446
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: David Milucas does and make a decision based on what's

447
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: best in the team. In the headline from the tweet,

448
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: there was not a signif there was not insignificant number

449
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: of folks in the past whispering they thought he may retire.

450
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: So I'll admit I'm one of them. Did I think

451
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: he was going to retire? No, But what I would

452
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: say and have said to friends is I cannot rule

453
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: that out because he seems miserable. He has doesn't really

454
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: interact with anyone else in the paddock at this point.

455
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that's wrong. This guy won two

456
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: Indy five hundreds by changing the way he approached things,

457
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: and he was pretty friendly with a lot of people

458
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: in the paddock. And you know, we all know the

459
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: unfollowed everyone on Twitter, ended the bus bros, ended the

460
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: media company that he had with a longtime friend, and

461
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: just kind of shut everyone out and said I need

462
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 2: no distractions. And he won the next two Indy five hundreds.

463
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, that might be the right approach. But no

464
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: one really knows much about Joseph other than the comments

465
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: are very quick. He does not look happy. I know

466
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: he's a great competitor, and I know it's been an

467
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: awful season, so I don't expect him to be happy.

468
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to have to try to interview

469
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: him anyway because there's not really anything to ask other than, oh,

470
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: you said he disappointed. Yeah, we know you are, but

471
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: unfortunately that's what this business is when you're representing partners.

472
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: It's part of the deal for everyone. So I gave

473
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: it a two percent chance just meeting. He's one of

474
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: the those guys that won't surprise me that he says

475
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, I'm out and we never see him again.

476
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of other people thought the same thing,

477
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: and some other people have wondered does everyone need a

478
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: change of scenery. A lot of things have changed since

479
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: Saint Pete twenty twenty four, or Barber twenty twenty four

480
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: and that press conference which was not necessarily on message

481
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: from Joseph with what everyone else has said. And that's

482
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: why I honestly still don't know what happened. There's a

483
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: lot of me that I believe they convinced Roger Penske

484
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 2: at the time that this was an accident, and I

485
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 2: think it is plausible that it was an accident, But

486
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: I still don't know what's happening happened there, And that's

487
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: the thirty for thirty that we would love to see

488
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: what happened and what was the fallout, because it eventually

489
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: led to three of the most tenured and distinguished people

490
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: in the paddock losing their jobs and the worst in

491
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: this century for the team, and that all started at

492
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: Saint Pete. What happened at Indy this year doesn't happen

493
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: if Saint Pete twenty four doesn't happen. And I think

494
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: everything has changed for Joseph Newgarden since then, So one

495
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: could argue if another big team would have a spot

496
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: for him in a winning situation, one could argue, if

497
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: will power was still available, that it might be best

498
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: to shake things up on that team. Do I think

499
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: that's happening. I do not do I say there's no chance.

500
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: I do not. I think it's unlikely. It's very unlikely.

501
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: But that's it. We just don't know. I think there's

502
00:30:54,040 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: a chance. So you're telling me there's a chance. But

503
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: I think everything that has to do with Joseph ties

504
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: back to what happened over those two incidents and how

505
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: it was handled, how he feels about his relationship, particularly

506
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: with Tim Sindric, and the bond that they had, the

507
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: working relationship that they had, how this team looks and feels.

508
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: I just you can't. You can't have this discussion without

509
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: this part of the conversation.

510
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this sport is always full of surprise. This

511
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: is what I mentioned. There could be a bombshell last

512
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: week on the show. I don't think you're with me,

513
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: or there could be something that nobody's talking about. That

514
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: was it. That was it, and I didn't give it

515
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: much of a chance. But those two scenarios, I had

516
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: a driver tell me that they thought Joseph was going

517
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: to retire after this race, and then he won and

518
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: he changed his mind. I don't know how they would

519
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: know that that that was decided in the six hours

520
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: after the race, from when the race ended and when

521
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: I saw this driver. But you know that was the discussion.

522
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: This isn't just media chuckleheads that are talking about this.

523
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: But that said, they're all guessing too, because Joseph isn't

524
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: telling any of these people or the other drivers what

525
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: his plans are. And what he did say is basically

526
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: I want to go home and hide for a while

527
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: and learn what did he say, learn to love the

528
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: sport again or learn to let me see. I actually

529
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: think I did a cutting paste on that quote. I'd

530
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: like to go away and start to miss it again.

531
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: Well that tells you what the last several months have

532
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: been for Joseph. The only thing I go back to

533
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: is he's he'll be thirty five in December. He's got

534
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: I know, he's made a lot of money. Hire early.

535
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: It's a lot of money for us, Yeah, but in

536
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: professional athletes landscape, he's been a relief pitcher. Yeah for

537
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: four years.

538
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if he's made you know, what do

539
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: we hear in the LAO tax case that Elio had

540
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: at the time of that had like nineteen million dollars.

541
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: Let's say Joseph is close to that. It doesn't go

542
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: very far. It doesn't go very far when you're thirty

543
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: five years old. Does it just depends on what type

544
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: of lifestyle exactly? No, No, no. I I assume that

545
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: we all kind of understood he wasn't going to live

546
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: on our salaries.

547
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: But I don't know what type of lifestyle Joseph leeds.

548
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: He might decide, you know what, I need one hundred

549
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: and seventy five thousand dollars per year. I budgeted this,

550
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: and I've invested well, and the money I have is

551
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: going to make that per year. I don't need anything.

552
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: He might. He might, but he if he if that's

553
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: the way he thinks and has budgeted, because I'm sure

554
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: he's invested well, let's don't let's don't get ourselves. He's

555
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: got good people around him. He makes good decisions, as

556
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: far as we can tell, uh, he has. He's a

557
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: smart guy. So I don't he's not been out buying

558
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: airplanes and buying you know, he doesn't have a collection

559
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: of cars that has would dazzled all of us, at

560
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: least to our knowledge. But but if he thinks that way,

561
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: meaning I'm going to live on quote unquote one hundred

562
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand dollars a year. He's different than

563
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of the athletes that we know and

564
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: have been around.

565
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a much smaller percentage of race car drivers.

566
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 2: Race car drivers are smarter because they are business people.

567
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: They've had to work to get to this level, so

568
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: they are less likely to who blow their money. I'll

569
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: share a story of my friend Paul Tracy. People think

570
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: Paul's this wild, reckless guy. Paul invested wonderfully. Paul has

571
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: done great. He made a lot of money in his career,

572
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: but he's living the good life. Paul did not waste

573
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: his money. He invested well. And I think most drivers

574
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 2: are like that because this is a business more so

575
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 2: than any other sport, and you get to really interact

576
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: with a lot of smart people, and you have to

577
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: become a businessman if you want to last in this sport.

578
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: Last thing on this is I want Joseph Newgarden to

579
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: be happy. We've known him since he was a kid.

580
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: I am hoping he finds his joy again, and I'm

581
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 2: hoping it's driving a race car, because he like will

582
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: power is good for the sport. And I'm not saying

583
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: this as I said, I think the chances are incredibly

584
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: slim that he is doing anything other than driving the

585
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 2: two car. But two years ago, I would have never

586
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: said that. You know, it's to one hundred percent to

587
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, and that's what we'd say for a

588
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: lot of other drivers that are in that situation. So

589
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: I hope he's happy. It's hard to be happy when

590
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: you had the type of season he's had, when you've

591
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: had the success, but that's part of it. You have

592
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: to figure out how to deal with that adversity because

593
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: it's not always going to go the way you would

594
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: like it. And the good thing is it's often not

595
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 2: been his fault, so he should be able to hold

596
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: his head up and they'll eventually figure it out and

597
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: things will start to break. And what has he said,

598
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: I you know, I've been afraid just to turn around

599
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: and somebody hits me in the face with a baseball

600
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: bat and it didn't happen. And that's how he was

601
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: able to win a race. And there will probably be

602
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: more of them coming up. Okay, well, a very long segment,

603
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: so we'll we'll sneak away and get into some of

604
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: the other things that we think are going on and

605
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: much more trackside ninety three five, one oh seven five

606
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: to the fan.

607
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: Hi, this is what power? And you'll listening to tracksod okay,

608
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: what's next and you mean there's something, there's something more.

609
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: So we've given opinions on what we know. We know

610
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: Will Power is leading team Penske. And by the way,

611
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: didn't feel like I needed to do. I loved watching him,

612
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: but didn't feel like we needed to do a career

613
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 2: retrospective or celebrate him. That's fine if we do, because

614
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: he should be celebrated. And it is amazing. You know,

615
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: he's wanted what a dozen more races than any other

616
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: driver of the most storied team.

617
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: I do think there's I do think there's a pause

618
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: moment for how great that relationship has been. So I

619
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: don't think you know, it's not writing off his career.

620
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: It's not saying the boys walking away and he's never good. No,

621
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: but you can't. This guy spent eighteen years with the

622
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: most successful team in our sport, won forty two races,

623
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: two championships in indy five hundred. He is a legend

624
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: by any definition, and this is a stop and pause

625
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: and celebrate the moment, even if he isn't willing to,

626
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: and you know, I just think getting back to I

627
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: just want to clean up two quick things. I don't

628
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: think he looked for a farewell tour, but I do

629
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: think he would have enjoyed the last month of kind

630
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: of everybody understanding and celebrating what a great relationship this

631
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: has been for eighteen years. He didn't get a chance

632
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: to talk about Verizon. He didn't get a chance to

633
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: talk about how great it was to drive for Team

634
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: Penske until right at the very end. He'll have some

635
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: time during the offseason, but just a little time to

636
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: celebrate that. And the other thing I would say is

637
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: hopefully Joseph isn't doesn't get upset for people talking about

638
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: how he's going to spend his money the rest of

639
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: his life. I hope Joseph does what Joseph wants to do.

640
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: But I do think that at thirty five, as somebody

641
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: who's already looking toward what retirement looks like, I think

642
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: that's a it's an interesting conversation to have, and therefore

643
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: we probably overstepped our bounds, but it's a radiation.

644
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: I thought of that too, Yeah, that it's not our

645
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: place to get into his business. That's unfortunately part of

646
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 2: what being a public figure is. People talk about those things.

647
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm uncomfortable with that part of as well.

648
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: But the point I was just trying to make is

649
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: I feel like he's going to be okay, and he

650
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: has the option. Yeah, he does something that makes him

651
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: happy and whatever he whatever that is, I hope it's

652
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: it's what's best for Joseph. And that's not trying to

653
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: hint I think he's going away. I've just wondered. I've

654
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: just wondered about what's going on, and we'll see.

655
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: I do hope, I do hope that the power rivalry

656
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: that we will make it to be next year. He

657
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: has a right in this sport, a rivalry that, you know,

658
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: this burning fire that will has inside of him already.

659
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: I hope we get to see that. I hope we

660
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: get to see. That's what this sport needs. We talk

661
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: about it all the time. We need we need a

662
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: little juice, we need a little rivalry. We need we

663
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: need a non Penske driver to lean on a Penske

664
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: driver once in a while, whether it's a street race

665
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: in Long Beach or you know, let's just let's have

666
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: a little of that.

667
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: When the three of the top four or five cars,

668
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: which we've had at times are with the same.

669
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: Team, yeah, not good.

670
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: It's a little harder to lean into when the two

671
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: champions are for the same team. You know that that's

672
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: not quite the same thing. So we want parody in

673
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: many ways. That's why, you know, I was hoping Joseph

674
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: would stay longer at at Carpenter Racing, Uh, hoping that

675
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: you just spread it around me, Lucas stays at point

676
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: for another year, and so on and so forth. So yeah,

677
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: I think your point is right about Power would have

678
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: probably enjoyed that, and he mostly would have enjoyed not

679
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: answering questions about getting fired, because really that's what we

680
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: had to do. I'll say this before I did the

681
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: interview in the pre race, you know, just asking me

682
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: about your emotions in what might be your last start

683
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: with Team Penske before we went on air, because at

684
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: that time I did not have I thought he was

685
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: going to Andretti. But I'm more confident now. At that

686
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: time I wasn't sure what was happening. So I said,

687
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: you know, this time last year, I didn't have a

688
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: job either, and I worked out fine. It's going to

689
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: be fine for you, and he's kind of laughed. But

690
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: that goes back to over the last few weeks, he's

691
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: not seemed concerned. So I think enough inquiries have been

692
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 2: made that he knew he had options. He could maybe

693
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: choose to stay if the offer was granted, or there

694
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: was going to be another good seats available. Uh what

695
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: else Renus vik has. I think Marshall pro reported this

696
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: at racer dot Com. I've heard this as well, but

697
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: would not have had enough to say it definitively. So

698
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: Marshall had this, so he had he had a quote

699
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: from the agent said that Renus has informed dale Coin

700
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: that he will not be returning. So what that means

701
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: is that Renas has a job lined up. You know,

702
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: he's smarter than that. He There was an announcement on

703
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: Friday with one of Todd Alt's companies being involved, and

704
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: I think there was a hope that they could announce

705
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 2: Rena's returning and we did not happen. I'm good well,

706
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: and I thought this was also plausible because that was

707
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: at the time where I was not one hundred percent

708
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 2: sure sure that power was going to ANDRETTI. I'm ninety

709
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: nine percent sure that Polow is staying, but until I

710
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: see Red Bull announce their drivers, I just wouldn't want

711
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: to commit to anything with other possibilities that are out there.

712
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: So here's my best guess on Rinus, and I wrote

713
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: these down in the morning, and then then I see

714
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: other people are opening the same thing. I think he

715
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: is replacing David Malucas at Foight, and this might go

716
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: back to Joseph Newgarden. I think this is Joseph Newgarten insurance,

717
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: not just for now, which is unlikely, but he might

718
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: have one year left on his contract. I don't know

719
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: if his contract ends after twenty six or twenty seven.

720
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: But the Foight people seemed pretty optimistic about the future

721
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: as I chatted with them throughout the weekend, So that

722
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: leads me to believe that because two weeks ago there

723
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: was concern about where's the funding going to come from

724
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: from that team. I think Penske has been funding the

725
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: Number four car and Marilyn Sexton unfortunately passed away. We

726
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: don't know what the situation is with the company moving

727
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: on with Sexton properties now. Maybe it's simply the family

728
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: has said nope, we're going to continue supporting. But I

729
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: think more likely is the technical partnership continues with Penske

730
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: and they are going to place a driver in the

731
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: number four car, and my guess is that that is

732
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: Renus Vk. It's my guess. I have no sourcing to

733
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: report this. I think Marshall Pruitt wrote that he expects

734
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: that to happen, and then the next thing, I saw

735
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: a headline that he wrote something about Coin. So before

736
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: I read the story, I wanted a first guest and

737
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: I wrote down who I think is going to be

738
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: in what car, and I wanted to compare it to

739
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: what else is out there. Here's what I've written down.

740
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 2: I think DK will be in the four, Malucas will

741
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: be in the twelve. By the way, no no timeline

742
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: on when they're announcing that when Team I think Team

743
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: Penske's release said at some point before next season, we'll

744
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: tell you who's going to be in the twelve car

745
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: for dale Coin Racing. My guesses are Dennis Hauger and

746
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: Romandro Jean. And I don't have that on any authority

747
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: other than asking dale Coin about Dennis Hauger and he

748
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: just smiled like he's done with others before and said, hey,

749
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: you never know, but I think he will remain Andretti property,

750
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: I think that makes more sense than taking him to

751
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: a Chevy team with Hunkos and dale Is. He understands

752
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: that if somebody goes well, he gets him for one

753
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: year anyway, so might as well have it contractually written

754
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: in so we can start planning for the next year.

755
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: So the only thing, and Grojan is apparently you know,

756
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: dropping tea leaves that he'd like to be back in IndyCar.

757
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: The only thing is Lena sun Quist has seemed pretty

758
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: happy lately. Why is Leida's quiz.

759
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: Because he's having good conversations with whom goes Hollinger? Yeah, okay,

760
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: making sure Renus VK is not going to Hunekos Hollinger,

761
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: which I think also could be a possibility, But I

762
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: don't know that he would have left dale Coin for Honkos.

763
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: That's why I think it's foight with the Penske partnership.

764
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: The other one. I would say it's possible it's Ray

765
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: Hall Letterman Land again, but that's not as clear. That

766
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: means that they have to decide. Going back to what

767
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: I said last hour, can they do they want to?

768
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: Can they place Devlin de Francesco or do they have

769
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: an option just in that you know, nothing gets Devlin,

770
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: but you just look at we just lost the leader

771
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: circle again, so you know, the performance didn't and by

772
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: the way, he didn't go great for the other teammates too,

773
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: so this is not all on Devlin. But they need

774
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: to shake up in that program. So I won't rule

775
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: them out from doing something there for Hunkos. They need budget.

776
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: They are trying to find investors, maybe a merger or

777
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: something like that. If that happens, then I think Lenas

778
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: has a good chance of being their guy. And then

779
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: we will see on the other car. Does that come

780
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: in place of Connor Daily Not necessarily so just stand

781
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: by same thing, no real reporting or information, but just

782
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: looking at where they are at. And I asked Dale

783
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: this because I think he said this to that press conference.

784
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: I said, you you believe you will be solidly in

785
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: the leader circle next year with your two cars, And

786
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: he says, yes, I do. We are going to take

787
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: a big step forward next year. I don't know if

788
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: Dale is always that bold.

789
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: No, he's not.

790
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: No, he might think, you know, I think there's been

791
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 2: an influx of cash with a Todd Alt partnership and

792
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: they feel like that they can go out and hire

793
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 2: and there might be some financial help with Andretti to say, hey,

794
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: you know you're renting this driver, so we're going to

795
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: help a little bit with the budget. Maybe we're going

796
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: to place one of our partners on this car as well.

797
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: And plus there's a scholarship they get the scholarship money. Yeah,

798
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: and Dennis may have some personal partners to help with that.

799
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: Do you want to get to Prema. We got to

800
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 2: save that, okay, because we're like six minutes over. We'll

801
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: preview what's to come and more next on track side. Hi,

802
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: this is Rena Speke and you're listening to tre hythe

803
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 2: coming up in our number two. We'll try to finish

804
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: our number two before the second hour is over, but

805
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: we'll talk more about silly season, what we think. I'll

806
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: think if I can share anything on the schedule that

807
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: won't get me in trouble. There have been some reports

808
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: out there, so we can simply say reports and cite

809
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: other people on that front. And yeah, Kurt mentioned Prema.

810
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: We'll get to some Twitter questions from the Xbox and

811
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: plenty more all coming up. Oh, we'll talk about the

812
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: season finale at Nashville Super Speedway, won by Nashville native

813
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: Joseph Nugarten. That Moore coming up track side ninety three

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00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: five one oh seven to five of the fan. Hi,

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00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: this is justin Newgarten and you're listening to trackside our

816
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: number two track side ninety three to five and one

817
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: oh seven five the fan in Indianapolis with Landon Kun's

818
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: in the studio, Kevin Lee, Kurk Cavin, Kurt, do you

819
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: have any idea when next.

820
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: Week's show is? No, but I think we'll say we'll

821
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: hopefully get to the Nashville results by then because they're

822
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: insignificant compared to everything else we have talked about and

823
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: still have yet to come.

824
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 2: Well, I want to get to the Xbox and I

825
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: actually really was hoping you knew when the show was

826
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: and we can mention that, but stand by, I'll tweet

827
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 2: it on the day of the show. Our conflict would

828
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: be if there is a Fever game on Tuesday, then

829
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: we bounce to another date. So that is need to

830
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: know information. Twitter questions at Kevin Lee twenty three at

831
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: Kurk Cavin. Steven Terrell says VK to Foyds looks like

832
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: predictions here v K to Foyd, power to and Ready

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Speaker 2: Well Lucas Depenske and he, by the way, wrote this

834
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: before the show started, So yeah, we've kind of thought

835
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: the same, says the silly seasons have to une questions.

836
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: Who will be the drivers at coin Will de Friend

837
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: Chess go be back at RLLL, Will Prema have cars?

838
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: What's up with Honda? What else to talk about? This winner? Well,

839
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: that seems like plenty. I said who I think will

840
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: be in the coin cars? The one I should also

841
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 2: have said. The one I'm much more confident about is

842
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: Dennis Hauger. I will be surprised if Dennis Hauger is

843
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: not in the coin car. And Dan Towers on the

844
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,479
Speaker 2: stage if you didn't see the championship celebration for Indy

845
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: Next on FS one said something along the lines of,

846
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: you know we have He said, we're going to maintain

847
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 2: a relationship with Dennis this is how I read it,

848
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: and make sure he has a seat next to an

849
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 2: Indy car.

850
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 1: So good.

851
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that's one. The Grogan one I'm

852
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: not as certain about. That probably depends on all of

853
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: the funding being there, because Grojan is you know, he's

854
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: not just suggesting he might come back. He's always been

855
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: looking to come back. He's been at races, he's been

856
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 2: a quote prima reserve driver or whatever the case might be.

857
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: So I've seen him several times this year, and that

858
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: sports car program he's been involved in is in a

859
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: lot of flux. It may not return next year and

860
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 2: I can't remember. Maybe it is going to do endurance races,

861
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: but it's not full season like they were hoping for.

862
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: So he definitely wants to be back, and I know this.

863
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: I didn't ask Dale about Grojean on Sunday, but I

864
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: asked him about it last fall because there were a

865
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: lot of rumors about grojan there, and he said, I

866
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: would really like to find an opportunity to work for him.

867
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: But they didn't have budget together and they didn't what.

868
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: They hired Renas two weeks before the season or something

869
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 2: like that. Once the ask ROI budget from todd All

870
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: became available, that's what allowed them to be able to

871
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 2: hire Renus and not require that someone brings budget. So

872
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: that's my best guess for Coin, but I do think

873
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: there are other possibilities in the second seat. I would

874
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: keep an eye on Kyle Colletts. He's working on budget,

875
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: and you know, he said he's not coming back to

876
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: Indy Next because I won. I think I've done everything

877
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: I can do. And I agree, he's won races, he

878
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: finished second in the championship, and he's legit good. And

879
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: he said it'd be hard to raise that money anyway.

880
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 2: He would do it if somebody wants to give him

881
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: a seat. But they said, well, isn't it going to

882
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: be a little easier for you to raise money for

883
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: an IndyCar program? And he said, yeah, certainly. You know,

884
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: I may not be able to raise a million for

885
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: Indy Next. It's really more like one point three to

886
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 2: one point six million, But I think I can raise

887
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 2: that or more for IndyCar. So I think he could

888
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: have some possibilities there. If VK doesn't end up at Foight,

889
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 2: then you know, I would think he is a possibility there.

890
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: Who else is out there? You know, obviously, I'm sure

891
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: there is hope for him to be able to stay

892
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: at who goes Hollinger And surely they'd like to have him,

893
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 2: but it's always the race of how much budget can

894
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: they have. If they find an investor on the team,

895
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: then it probably won't take any more budget, maybe even

896
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: less than what Connor brought this year, and I would

897
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: give him a really good chance of being back with

898
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: that team. He has proven he gets it done on

899
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 2: ovals and has helped that program, and I think they're

900
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: getting closer on the road courses. But you know, it

901
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: takes more than just Connor. That's going to be some work,

902
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: and he's performing his teammate most of the time, if

903
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: not all the time. In that situation, I mentioned to

904
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 2: keep an eye on lean his Lundquist. He's got a chance.

905
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,959
Speaker 2: I saw Uri Hipps. He's trying. You know, he knows

906
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 2: it's going to take some budget to make something happen.

907
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: Toby Sowury the same, Hunter mcelray is trying. What F

908
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: two drivers or former F one drivers are going to

909
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: come over here? Mick Schumacher, here's another reason why I

910
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: think Colton Hurda is headed F two. Where did let

911
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: me cite the report that had this today, but the

912
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: European media, I think the race had this reported that

913
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: Mick Schumacher was on the verge of joining Cadillac as

914
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: a reserve driver for the Formula One team while also

915
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: racing in the World Endurance Championship with Cadillac Team Joda,

916
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: and that deal has collapsed and they didn't know why

917
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: in this story, but I think I know why is

918
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 2: because Colton Hurda is going to be the reserve driver

919
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: I think for Cadillac F one. And by the way,

920
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: that sweetens this a little bit. You know, if you

921
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 2: talk about why are you doing this if you're Colden Hurda,

922
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 2: because they are doubling the amount of required rookie free

923
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: practice one tests next year. I believe in Formula One

924
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: it's two this year, So next year, Colton hurd It

925
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: could drive the car four times on Friday morning practice

926
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: in Formula One. So that also makes it easier for

927
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: him to gain that super license because you can get

928
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 2: points out of that and it does not require him

929
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 2: to finish his high in that championship. The other thing

930
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: where the Schumacher thing plays into our world is that

931
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 2: he would have some interest in IndyCar. He still wants

932
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: to get to Formula one, wants to drive Formula cars.

933
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 2: But I'm wondering if that also in a way, could

934
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: that be a landing spot for callum I loot they

935
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: need a replacement for Jensen button the former F one

936
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 2: champ who is exiting full time racing. That's the seat

937
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: that Callum turned down last year to come and run

938
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: for Prema. And that's why you asked before and then

939
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 2: also what was just asked from Steven what's up with Prema?

940
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. I heard that they are still having

941
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: positive talks and they are optimistic that an investor has

942
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: been found. Whether that's a buyer of the team, I

943
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 2: think essentially Deborah Mayor, the owner who put a lot

944
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: of money into this, has moved on and she wants out.

945
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if the Rosines are going to be

946
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 2: involved or not, whether they're bringing the investor or whether

947
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: they're just selling and someone else is going to come

948
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: in and run the team. Pierce Phillips is there, who

949
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: we know who's been around the IndyCar world and sports

950
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: car world for a long time. So I think there

951
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 2: is a chance. But as I think I said last week,

952
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: the challenge is going to be unless they told everybody

953
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 2: on Sunday night we're good, than anybody that is attractive

954
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 2: for another team is going to be offered a job

955
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: and they're going to leave. So you're going to be

956
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: somewhat starting over. In that case, Marshall pro wrote about

957
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: the possibility of a merger with who goes houling her?

958
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: And you know, unless they get an investors sorted soon.

959
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: If the investor comes later, that might be good for

960
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: both parties because they're going to not have enough people.

961
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 2: They're going to be starting all over trying to find

962
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: the right people. And we saw how that went when

963
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: you had new people last year. Cars on fire, penalties

964
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: and fines for installing things the wrong way for a

965
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: safety issue, lots of time not on track at the

966
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: beginning of the season. Second half of the season, Yes,

967
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: they had pretty good pace, very encouraging. Yes, they also

968
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: won the poll for eighty five hundred as well. Oh,

969
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: by the way, yeah, they were pretty solid on OVAL's

970
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: Calamilot had a great finish to the season. And what

971
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: a quandary this must be for him if there is

972
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: an offer to go back to sports car racing. Those

973
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: are paying jobs, those are good jobs, they have a

974
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 2: longer shelf life. But he's a single seater driver and

975
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: I think he had a pretty good deal this year.

976
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: But if there's not an assurance now it's also possible

977
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: someone else goes after him. There's still some seats available,

978
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: but he does not bring budget. How many are out there? Well,

979
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: I said, I think that would that. Don't think that's

980
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: going to be an option to go back to who

981
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: goes HO longer? Don't think that's going to be there.

982
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: Could Coin hire him? Could Foid hire him? As a

983
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: Pence could could Because I don't know that that's where

984
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: Retas is headed. I just think that could. There are

985
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: rumors two or three years ago about Penske being interested

986
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: in that's right. I think you're absolutely right. So maybe

987
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: that is a situation. So I can't rule that out.

988
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: But you know, at some point now maybe that sports

989
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: car seat doesn't need to be sited right now. Maybe

990
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of time on that. But no,

991
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: not really, don't think there's a lot.

992
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: Hey, you know the one conversation driver slash Money slash Future,

993
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: we're just sting right, Rob end up in this conversation.

994
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: He's one guy you can count on, or at least

995
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: have been able to count on, to be qualified to

996
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: do this and has budget to do so.

997
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: I hate to put it this way, but it comes

998
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: down to how much money does he have? And I

999
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: have defended Stingray on this program before and would publicly

1000
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: and privately he's very competent. Is he a top ten driver?

1001
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: He's not. No, But he's not been in any kind

1002
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: of program that would be able to show you what

1003
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: he can do at this point. But I don't know

1004
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 2: if the budget he has is ten million, is it

1005
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: five million? You know, if it's ten million, it would

1006
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: seem he is going to have a place. But these

1007
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 2: teams are trying to find they're trying to do what

1008
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: Ed Carpenter did and find their Ted Gehloff and use

1009
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: the charter system as there is something of value that

1010
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: hopefully down the road, especially with Foxes involvement, now that

1011
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: this is going to increase in value. NASCAR charters were

1012
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: originally being sold for about two and a half to

1013
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: three and a half million dollars and they've been going

1014
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 2: for twenty five to forty since then. Do we expect

1015
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: IndyCar to go to that level? We don't, but might

1016
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: it go up significantly? It might and it should. So

1017
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: if all these teams find investors, they're going to want

1018
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: to hire drivers and they are going to turn down Yeah,

1019
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: they might. They might turn dow down drivers with budget

1020
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: they probably wouldn't turn down ten, but it's going to

1021
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: be easier to turn down six at this point. And

1022
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 2: it's three straight years that I don't think he's made

1023
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: the leader circle again. Not all his fault three different teams,

1024
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: three different teams with three different teams. You know, if

1025
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: if Foight does not have a partnership with Penske, including funding,

1026
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: then I give that chance of happening of coming back there.

1027
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: But I don't know, and I don't know about Jacob

1028
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: Abel either. I don't think he's going to be back

1029
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: at Coin. I would give Foight as a possibility there.

1030
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: I'd like to see Jacob get another chance because I

1031
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: know his teammate outperformed him by a lot. But logic

1032
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: would say the top people were all going to be

1033
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: on that program. They're trying to make everything equal, and

1034
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: they're not sabotaging him or not paying attention to what

1035
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: he can do. But just logic says, you put your best.

1036
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: This is at every level of racing that the best

1037
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: effort and time goes towards the number one car. You

1038
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 2: get that prep first because it's got the best chance

1039
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 2: to get a result, and you hope there is time

1040
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: and resources for everything else. So by the way, Dale

1041
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: is paying for a lot of so same thing, you know.

1042
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: So those are some of the uncertainties at this point. Honda.

1043
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: I don't know anything more about Honda. I think there's

1044
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: a chance. This is dependent on whether they go to

1045
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: NASCAR or not. I'm optimistic. I think the partnership with

1046
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: Fox helped greatly. I think some of the things I'm

1047
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: hearing about potential events. By the way, everything you've read

1048
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 2: about what might happen in twenty six not necessarily true,

1049
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: but these things are being discussed for the future. I

1050
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 2: just don't know if all of the things and reports

1051
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: you've seen are going to happen by next year. But

1052
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: it's still fluid. When is the schedule coming out? I

1053
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 2: do not know. I don't think it's fully done at

1054
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: this point. I am above fifty to fifty on Honda staying,

1055
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: but I don't know how much above that. And I

1056
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: don't know if they can do NASCAR and IndyCar and

1057
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 2: continue an IMSA and in Formula one and everything else

1058
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: that they're doing. So I don't know if it's an

1059
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 2: either or or if they just need to be convinced

1060
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: because IndyCar is going to be way cheaper NASCAR is

1061
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: massively expensive. So one could say that, well, this is

1062
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: not that much of an expense, and if they did

1063
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: some cost containment issues to help the engine manufacturers, and

1064
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: maybe if they have a third lined up that we're

1065
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: not aware of, that brings down some costs as well.

1066
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: So I give it a decent shot. But I don't

1067
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 2: really know, and I don't know what the timeline is

1068
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: at this point, so.

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01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: I don't either of any indefinitive. My gut tells me

1070
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's north to fifty percent. I wouldn't

1071
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: go up to one hundred percent level, but I do.

1072
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic. I don't know what I know about the

1073
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: schedule to be on or off the record, so I'll

1074
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: let you pontificate about the schedule.

1075
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 2: Well. I gave some opinions a couple of weeks ago,

1076
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: and I looked when the NASCAR schedule came out, and

1077
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 2: I said, looking hard at that for possibilities. And I

1078
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 2: know I talked about Phoenix and other people writing about that.

1079
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: We've been talking about Phoenix, and I think that's the

1080
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: place I.

1081
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: Feel like Watkins Glenn is going to happen. And I'm

1082
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 2: wondering because I heard a lot of chatter about that.

1083
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 2: I'm wondering was that an option if they couldn't get

1084
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 2: anything done for Toronto. So there are I think it's

1085
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 2: not a report. It's been a media notice shared with

1086
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 2: people that the city of Markham, a suburb of Toronto,

1087
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 2: officials with Green Savary Well host of press conference tomorrow

1088
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: to announce a motorsports events. Gee, I wonder what that

1089
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:46,439
Speaker 2: could be.

1090
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: I wonder.

1091
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: So the deal with the exhibition place, the downtown Toronto

1092
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 2: location is not only is that where a World Cup

1093
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 2: event will be in that football stadium. They're European football.

1094
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 2: I know it's over by a certain date early July,

1095
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: but as I understand it, the World Cup event owns

1096
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: that space for even another two or three weeks after that,

1097
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: So the build it's not just finding out when that

1098
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: game is, whether it's July fourth or whatever, the last game,

1099
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 2: it's two or three weeks beyond that, so it's just

1100
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 2: not available. That space is not available. So there have

1101
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: been a couple of other places mentioned, and I should

1102
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 2: have googled this, but I was told by a Canadian

1103
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: friend that mark Them is pretty big city, like three

1104
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: hundred thousand people.

1105
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: It's north of It's just north of what we would

1106
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: we'd call it Carmel in Indianapolis. It's north of it's

1107
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: north of town. It's on the bypass. I have read that.

1108
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's pretty hip, got some tech to

1109
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: it that you might alter fined. It's it's a more

1110
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: accessible than you than exhibition place that it probably will

1111
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: draw a better crowd. Not better in terms of numbers,

1112
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: but better in terms of your.

1113
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's draws better. That's not been yet,

1114
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: No well attended, but you're demographic, it's it fits the

1115
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 2: demographic better. I feel like, unfortunately, much of Toronto does

1116
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: not know about this event anymore. I don't know how

1117
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 2: because the roads are shut down. But if you don't

1118
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:37,439
Speaker 2: get down the lake shore that week, then I guess

1119
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: you don't notice. As they call it, the Moulson and

1120
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 2: d e used to be massive. And I don't know

1121
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 2: how many people we've come across the last couple of

1122
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: years of restaurants asking, like servers, why is it so crowded?

1123
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: You know, no idea that this event is in town anymore.

1124
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 2: So unfortunately does not have the juice. So the first

1125
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: thought would be terrible to leave downtown. And I'm to

1126
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 2: the point where actually it might be better to be

1127
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 2: a bigger deal in a smaller town. There's so much

1128
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 2: going on in Toronto, you know, whether it be the

1129
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 2: Blue Jays or everything else going on that I like

1130
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: this idea, and this has been discussed about some other

1131
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: markets before. But let's find a mid size city and

1132
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 2: make that their big event of the year and how

1133
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: to get on the map a little bit. Be a

1134
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 2: big fish in a little pond rather than a small

1135
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: fish in a big pond.

1136
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: Just keep in mind, though I don't think we're talking

1137
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: about small pond here. I mean this is part of

1138
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: as I understand it. It's yes, it's a suburban Toronto. Yeah,

1139
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: still Toronto.

1140
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: You're going to miss out on the people in the

1141
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 2: city a little bit and just wandering down because I

1142
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: think that's one of the great things about street races

1143
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: at Saint Pete. You can't miss it in the area

1144
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 2: because you see the construction at Long Beach. You see

1145
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 2: the construction that is going on down there on Long

1146
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 2: Beach is a totally different story. And I think Saint

1147
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 2: Pete is in that too because of how long the

1148
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: events have been there. But Toronto has mostly had that

1149
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 2: as well. Been unfortunately a couple of times when it

1150
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 2: went away after this the merger and then because of COVID,

1151
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 2: and that has had an impact on people. Once it's

1152
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 2: not there, then it's not there and they move on

1153
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: to other things. Mike stoops, what's your knowledge of attendance

1154
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 2: at Nashville? And I kept hearing Milwaukee was a sellout,

1155
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 2: but I saw a lot of empty seats. Fox must

1156
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 2: say Indy Car is a diamond and the Rough having

1157
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 2: purchased a third what do you think their plan of

1158
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: attacked prop up IndyCar is so attendance? Oh so, so

1159
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 2: the Milwaukee sellout? I believe the way that was actually

1160
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: announced was was it general admission tickets were sold or

1161
01:08:55,360 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 2: one facet of tickets was sold out, but it was

1162
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 2: never announced. It was never announced as a sellout. Just

1163
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 2: because somebody wrote it on Twitter doesn't mean that it's true.

1164
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: When the track announced, did they announce that? Do you

1165
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 2: recall this? It was either general admission grand stand tickets

1166
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: or maybe it was reserved grandstand tickets, but there were

1167
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 2: others still available that included a seat or the option

1168
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: to sit in a seat, So it was never announced

1169
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: to sell out.

1170
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,879
Speaker 1: I wondered I wondered about it, and then the race happened,

1171
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: or race weekend kind of got rolling, and I didn't

1172
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: think to go back and try to dissect the press relation.

1173
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 2: I saw the original announcement it I read it clearly,

1174
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 2: and it was not announcing that we are sold out.

1175
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 2: So maybe that's kind of a note that people see

1176
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 2: the word sellout and think it is I doubt it.

1177
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: It was a great incoming. It was a great crowd.

1178
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 2: It was a very good crowd. Saturday was good. It

1179
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 2: was the best Saturday that I have seen on an oval.

1180
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: It did not include a race in I don't know when,

1181
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 2: maybe ever, maybe ever. That's been one of the challenges.

1182
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 2: It was highly encouraging. Nashville was okay. I can't compare

1183
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: it to last year because I was in the booth

1184
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 2: last year. I always get a better look looking from

1185
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: Pitt Lane up to the stands. I'm going to guess

1186
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 2: the stands are about half full. I don't know what

1187
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 2: that stand seats. Is it twenty thousand, is it three?

1188
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty five roughly.

1189
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 2: Okay, And when I say about half, I might be

1190
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 2: wrong by ten or fifteen percent. Either way, I think

1191
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 2: it was at least half, because there was a section

1192
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 2: in the middle that was seventy five eighty percent, and

1193
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 2: then it was a little more sparse on the outer edges,

1194
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 2: you know, maybe a third or something like that, but

1195
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 2: I feel like it was probably acceptable. I talked to

1196
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:53,560
Speaker 2: Scott boord Schett for a while about other things, a

1197
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: lot of music. Jack Harvey had a lot of music

1198
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: questions for him, and I was going to ask him

1199
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 2: about the prospects of going back downtown. He mentioned that

1200
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 2: publicly that that is still a possibility and they have

1201
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 2: interest in that, so I won't rule that out. Someone

1202
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 2: else told me that the footprint is going to be

1203
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: really hard to do that with the new football stadium,

1204
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 2: but I do think that's a possibility. I probably not

1205
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: until after the football stadium is done, but that's one.

1206
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 2: And then Mike also as plan an attack for Fox.

1207
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: What I've read is one thing they want to help

1208
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 2: invest in events. They want big events in big markets,

1209
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: so I would. And then you've seen Adam Stern write

1210
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: some things on that. I'm not sure if anything is

1211
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 2: happening by next year. Don't think that's done, but I

1212
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 2: think there are some things in the pipeline Washington, a

1213
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: DC has been publicly mentioned, dever has been in the

1214
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 2: works for a while. I think I've read people speculating

1215
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,799
Speaker 2: about Philadelphia. I just think a lot of things are possible.

1216
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,560
Speaker 2: Think football stadiums. That's the easiest way to do a

1217
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 2: temper place because you have a lot of space and

1218
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: you're not shutting down as many streets, so it's a

1219
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 2: little simpler to get it done through permits in a

1220
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 2: city and dealing with one group there. Mike also says,

1221
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 2: I know overall viewing numbers are up much due to

1222
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 2: improved Indy five hundred numbers, but the last few were

1223
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: in the mid seven hundred thousand range. One was right

1224
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 2: around USA network numbers. I've got to believe this must

1225
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 2: be a little disappointing since it was all network broadcasts.

1226
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 2: I do not know whether that is disappointing or not.

1227
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 2: That has not been shared with me. As I've said before,

1228
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 2: I think both things can be true. It's fine to

1229
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 2: compare the network NBC numbers to the network Fox numbers,

1230
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 2: and we would all hope that they would have stayed

1231
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 2: at the nine hundred thousand to a million level, But

1232
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 2: there are different factors involved. A lot of it is

1233
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: to head the head, it's the lead in, it's that

1234
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: the championship has been over since April, so on and

1235
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 2: so forth. I think it's also fair, and this is

1236
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 2: the way I lean the reason they did this deal

1237
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 2: is because it was all on network. So while you

1238
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 2: might be seeing some seven hundred thousands now, you've not

1239
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 2: seen a seventy five thousand, you've not seen a ninety

1240
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 2: two thousand, you've not seen a two hundred ninety two thousand,

1241
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: you've not seen a three hundred and fifty thousand. I

1242
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: think all of those were a part of our world

1243
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 2: last year. And the total number, which I think is

1244
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: what matters, is up seven or eight million, fifteen million

1245
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 2: to twenty two million, and that's not counting practice shows.

1246
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 2: I think you add another four or five hundred thousand

1247
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: per weekend when you're talking about practice shows between Indiecar

1248
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 2: and Indie Next. Maybe that's on the high side. Maybe

1249
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,959
Speaker 2: it's three or four hundred thousand, but both are accurate.

1250
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: But to say that this is going horribly when you've

1251
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 2: added seven million in viewers, I don't really think is

1252
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: quite accurate either.

1253
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: I bet they're policing.

1254
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 2: You look both numbers.

1255
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: I bet they're policed for a lot of reasons.

1256
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 2: I bet they just bought a third of the sport

1257
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: after seeing the numbers, So I think that means they're

1258
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 2: not wanting to run away. So yeah, that would lead

1259
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 2: me to believe and they obviously do see upside As

1260
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 2: I've said a thousand times, sports are the best resource

1261
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 2: for advertisers. People see commercials in sports, they don't for

1262
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: scripted programs. Okay, let's uh, I got more I want

1263
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 2: to get to but I need to recess. See how

1264
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 2: much time we have left, and maybe we'll talk about

1265
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 2: the race too. Coming up on track side. This is

1266
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 2: Alex below and you're listening to truck site. Okay, we'll

1267
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 2: continue down to the twitter box. I'm trying to make

1268
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 2: an effort to make sure that we answer more of

1269
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 2: the questions that I feel people might be interested in.

1270
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 2: Next is the sensy Buckeye asks is vice champion? This

1271
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 2: is from an HMD post. Kyle Collett, your indie next

1272
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 2: vice champion? Is vice champion? A Kurk Cavin creation. If so,

1273
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 2: he may need to have a talk in r P one.

1274
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 2: Why would you be blamed for that? I'm not sure

1275
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: vice champion is a European thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't.

1276
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't. I don't like that. I'm not

1277
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not big on Q one, Q two,

1278
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: P one, P two. I think a lot of those

1279
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: are Europeans conversations. I'm not saying. I'm not saying I'm

1280
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 1: down on it. I'm just saying, yeah, I wish I

1281
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: wish we had kind of and I know there are

1282
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 1: a lot of American races.

1283
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 2: That's why I like P one and P two because

1284
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 2: I like brevity. Yeah.

1285
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: P one, P two is not as bad. I do

1286
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: think there are people that wish we didn't sound like

1287
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 1: a Formula one broadcast. Not broadcast. I don't mean like

1288
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: it's the broadcast fault. I mean that sometimes the vernacular

1289
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: is F one. That's all.

1290
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: And half of the people in the paddock came from

1291
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 2: that world.

1292
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: I agree. I know where it came from.

1293
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: It's fine, that's kind of part of it. Yeah, yeah,

1294
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 2: because you know, you here drivers all the time say

1295
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: FP one.

1296
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: We don't have a big one, and I've.

1297
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 2: Had why is it free practice? Well, it's free because

1298
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: it doesn't count. Okay, I get that. That's that's why

1299
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 2: it's called free practice one because it's not setting a lineup.

1300
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: Isn't practiced by nature free there you go.

1301
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's p one brevity that one line It

1302
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,600
Speaker 2: takes a long time. IndyCar Ken says, what do you

1303
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 2: know about IMS testing in October? I've heard the twenty

1304
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 2: seventh for IndyCar, twenty eight for next and now just

1305
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 2: heard the twenty ninth for ANDRETTI. This certainly has to

1306
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 2: do with WP Willpower. Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

1307
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: I know that Chris Griffiths test is set.

1308
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a date, so I haven't seen a date.

1309
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 1: I would also tell you, getting back to one thing

1310
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: about Willpower. I think with their street course, he's going

1311
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:05,759
Speaker 1: to be dynamite at Saint Pete Dynamite yep.

1312
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 2: I believe the USF combine is the twenty fifth and

1313
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 2: twenty sixth, which is Saturday and Sunday. Maybe the next

1314
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: day is Indie Next testing, or maybe it's the Friday before.

1315
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 2: Usually there is some testing on the road course in

1316
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 2: the fall, so that's when the road course is set up.

1317
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 2: Is there an Indie Oval test? I do not know.

1318
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 2: They don't have anything big that they have to do

1319
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 2: for next year. But that's we've got time. We've got

1320
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 2: time to sort all those kind of things. Muhammed asks

1321
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 2: at Moke Motorsport, big VK fan here, amazing race by him.

1322
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 2: But seriously, he said against against Dutch media, he will

1323
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 2: probably return to Coin if there is not any better

1324
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 2: seat available. He denied the offer of Coin and I

1325
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 2: think he's on the way to roll or AJ Foyd

1326
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 2: with Penskey supports. So we're on the same lines there

1327
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 2: that I think he's going to Foy with Penske support

1328
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 2: as well, well, but I do not know that, and

1329
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:06,520
Speaker 2: he says ps to that. Okay, yeah, it's official. Kleaves DCR.

1330
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 2: We have documented that. At this point, John A. J. T.

1331
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 2: Doling says this is face saving spin. I think he's

1332
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 2: referring to the Penske release saying Will chose to move on.

1333
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: I also think Will John Wrights has had some seriously

1334
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 2: rage filled breakdowns, most recently the plowing incident with Kirkwood

1335
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 2: and Troit. I think the organization has finally had enough. Well,

1336
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 2: as I said earlier, I think there is truth to

1337
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 2: that now. I took him a long time, but I

1338
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: think there was something available to Will and obviously not acceptable,

1339
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 2: and that would be because he has something else that

1340
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 2: he finds much better. You will is always a little

1341
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 2: bit different. There's there have been quick bouts of rage,

1342
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 2: but he has I'm sure been on edge this year

1343
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,919
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't rule that out for what happened at Detroit.

1344
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: And then a half hour later he's yucking it up

1345
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,719
Speaker 2: with Kyle Kirkwood. So he gets over it pretty quickly.

1346
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 2: And that's what I have tried to do, and I'll

1347
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: be honest. I tried to let Joseph do that too

1348
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 2: this year. When I was asked to interview him, I

1349
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: would follow him because I do think it's unfair that

1350
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: a mic Crohne is stuck in your face after you

1351
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 2: get out of the car. So I went to give

1352
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 2: them as much time to process things that happen. But

1353
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 2: that didn't get anywhere, and eventually, in one of the

1354
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 2: cases he did come back out fifteen minutes later and

1355
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 2: talk to Jack. But I've done that with McLaughlin a

1356
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: couple of times when he was pretty upset, and he

1357
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: said later he said that actually really helped. I would

1358
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 2: not have been It would not have been great for

1359
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 2: me to talk when I first stepped out of the car,

1360
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 2: but by you walking back to the transporter, letting me

1361
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 2: vent to myself for three minutes and give me a

1362
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 2: little bit of time, that helped the cause and he

1363
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: ended up doing a great interview. And Will's been the

1364
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 2: same way that. Sometimes even after ten minutes, it still

1365
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 2: gets a little bit out of control. But I try

1366
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 2: to be respectful of them and not put them in

1367
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 2: a bad position. Even though you know the TV guy,

1368
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna want you want drama, and there

1369
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 2: are people too, So there's there's a I don't know

1370
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 2: what the right answer is. There's a happy medium somewhere

1371
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: in that too. I think I'm trying to be fair,

1372
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 2: trying to be fair, and I'm trying not to burn

1373
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 2: bridges because I need him again the next week.

1374
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: Some of Will's quirkiness shows up in the all of

1375
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: it actually shows up in that in those moments. But

1376
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 1: if he didn't get, if he didn't get released after

1377
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: releasing the Double Birds at New Hampshire a decade ago,

1378
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna get it, wasn't gonna get fired or

1379
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: dropped or not re signed because he threw a water

1380
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: bottle at your feet. He's just not Yeah, I mean

1381
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: he survived double birds.

1382
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 2: There is a value to his authenticity, There is a line,

1383
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: but I don't know that he's really ever crossed.

1384
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's one of these emotional but very harmless people.

1385
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's harmless. And let me just of all

1386
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: the things we could say anecdotally, here's the fact that

1387
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: holds true. Verizon has stayed with him for eighteen years.

1388
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: That's as big a deal as anything.

1389
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: I do believe.

1390
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 2: Am sponsor on the car for I think all but

1391
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 2: like three races.

1392
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: Yep.

1393
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:34,799
Speaker 2: When his first race in a Penske truck rental livery

1394
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 2: and I think I've got the note of what the

1395
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 2: other one was.

1396
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: Well, I think he had a couple of Penske truck rental.

1397
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1398
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: The point is Verizon, you know, we talk all about

1399
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: these sponsorships. Verizon was like, we love quirky will power.

1400
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 1: We don't care if he throws about water bottle at

1401
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Lee's feet. We all want to do that.

1402
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 2: It was warm too. It was nice refreshing since he Buckeye,

1403
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 2: says Team Penske blew to pr management of this story

1404
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 2: all year long. If you don't think so, look at

1405
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 2: the blowback they're getting and the blowback that built up

1406
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 2: this could have been a thank you year, not now

1407
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 2: kind of talked about that. They don't do that either.

1408
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 2: Eliot didn't get a thank you year, and he was

1409
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 2: also going to continue on for another year in the

1410
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 2: ND five hundred. But that's the way, and who's to

1411
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 2: argue with the way they do business. That's the way

1412
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 2: they've done business. They announced things, especially when it ends

1413
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 2: after the season, and I think there still was a

1414
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 2: pathway to stay involved at what level. What was the

1415
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 2: contract offer? Don't know, but I tend to believe that

1416
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,879
Speaker 2: statement that ultimately it was what Will said in Portland.

1417
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: He got to make the decision in the end. Had

1418
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 2: the offer come several months ago, he might have made

1419
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 2: a different decision. But once it became known that he

1420
01:22:56,439 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 2: was available, I think the phone started ring for someone,

1421
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: whether it's him, whether it's Orial Servia, and they knew

1422
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 2: that when available, they were going to be not just options,

1423
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 2: but good options and possibly better options. Keep this in

1424
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 2: mind too, They finished tenth eleventh or ninth, tenth and twelve, no,

1425
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 2: what is it? Ninth eleven to twelfth in the championship.

1426
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 2: So while we say Andretti needs something to change. They

1427
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 2: were better than that this year in most cases, in

1428
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 2: two of the three cars they were. So that's what

1429
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 2: I think. When that will be announced, I think if

1430
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 2: this is happening, Colton needs to be announced first. Is

1431
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 2: there any restriction on when Will can be announced? I'm

1432
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 2: still guessing sooner rather than later. Well, especially if especially

1433
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 2: requested today.

1434
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if they have a test at the Speedway

1435
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 1: next month, then you'll want you'll want that to have

1436
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: been done.

1437
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 2: But by the way, since he Buckeye put the team

1438
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: Penske logo on the Cracker Barrel logo that was not

1439
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: I saw that, Well, how is that? Wow?

1440
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: I like Cracker Barrel, you know, the thing is, and

1441
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: I get the public pushback. You just maybe different than

1442
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: the other drivers that that left Penske. It just feels

1443
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: like Will's because the way Will carries himself. And you

1444
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 1: see the emotion in his face from the outside, and

1445
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: I think this is accurate, by the way, but I

1446
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,440
Speaker 1: think from the outside it looks like he was dangling,

1447
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: and we don't like to see our legends dangling, you know,

1448
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: we like we like our guys to be you know, really,

1449
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, you can see why the fan base reacted

1450
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: as it did.

1451
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get to know these people. Even if you

1452
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 2: don't know them, you feel like their family. And if

1453
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 2: you've been to races, they're all a lot of fans

1454
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 2: that actually do know will Power. They he has stopped

1455
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 2: and chatted with them and they have a relationship. Not

1456
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 2: people with the credentials, people that just have paid to

1457
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 2: have the paddock pass every once in a while.

1458
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: And the story of he and Liz and what they

1459
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: endured in twenty twenty three is something any of us

1460
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: could have could have could have endured.

1461
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: Uh Paul says, well, there are many great drivers in

1462
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 2: Indycarpolow made the Molok average. Who will provide the challenge

1463
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 2: to Plow in twenty six Alex below, I'm giving lun Guard, Yeah,

1464
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 2: but if Polo's back, you know, he's very very likely

1465
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 2: to win the championship. I give lung Guard a great chance.

1466
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 2: I give the Potto a great chance. I'm giving will

1467
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: Power a chance.

1468
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: I give Lungard more chance now because the last couple

1469
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: over races have been better. I don't know if he's

1470
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: ready to win the Indy five hundred. Poto certainly can

1471
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: Potto can win Poto is the real answer? Because Potto

1472
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: could win three of the five or six oval races

1473
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 1: and be but he's gonna have to be better than

1474
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: he's been on some of the other circuits. He's been

1475
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: pretty good on the ovals, but either one of those

1476
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: two but will power he's complete enough. And I mean this,

1477
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: if he could win three of the street races next year.

1478
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: They've been that good on street races and he is.

1479
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: If you don't know this Saint Pete history, look it up.

1480
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 2: And by the way, one of the other great ones

1481
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: on street races, Colton Hurda, is not likely to be there. Yeah,

1482
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 2: it takes away one contender. All right, we'll see what

1483
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 2: we missed and what else is happening and more coming

1484
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 2: up next On track Side how.

1485
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,799
Speaker 1: This is Scott McLachlin and you're listening to truck Side

1486
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: on ninety three to five and one.

1487
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 2: I seven five the fan Okay final segment one. I

1488
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,719
Speaker 2: have learned when next week's show is on. It's Monday

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Speaker 2: night seven till nine, I think seven. I guess I

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Speaker 2: didn't get an answer on the exact time. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if there is an IU Coaches football show on Mondays,

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Speaker 2: but I'm hoping it's seven to nine on Monday, but

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01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: at least we know a date. Two quick race recap.

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01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,879
Speaker 2: We'll do some of that more next week. But really

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01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 2: really entertaining race again, I think, especially the end and

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01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 2: a lot of good parts throughout the middle. Alex Polow

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01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 2: cuts a tire and still comes back running third, ultimately

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01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 2: finishes second in the race. A shame about power. He

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01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 2: made a mistake getting into pitt Lane and then he

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01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 2: told me that I think he said he put it

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01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: in second gear when he was trying to exit the pit,

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01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 2: so just just simply made a mistake. It all kind

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01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 2: of went wrong there when he came in a little

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01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 2: bit hot, was askew and then stalled the car, so

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01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 2: that took away his chances. Pottle Award was maybe gonna

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01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 2: run away with the race before he had a tire

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01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 2: go down. What else an amazing battle with McLaughlin and

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01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: Kiffin Griffin that was impressive. They were not simply contense

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01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 2: to finish fifth. Listening to the conversation on Kiffin Simpson's radio,

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01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 2: it was you're good, go get them. They were really

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01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 2: I think that's a huge step forward that it wasn't

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01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 2: simply protect car bringing home. You're done great, it's no,

1513
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,679
Speaker 2: we're there, let's go try to win the race. And

1514
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 2: he battled one of the greats. McLaughlin lost out just

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01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 2: bare at the end. Another awesome drive for Connor Daily

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01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 2: on the Oval, he and McLaughlin had to finish on

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01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 2: the softs and there was a big fear about them

1518
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 2: going more than twenty five or thirty laps before they

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01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: really started to slow down. So for Connor to finish

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Speaker 2: fifth in that situation going whatever it was, forty five

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Speaker 2: or forty or something like that, and the same for

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01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 2: McLaughlin is really good. Kirkwood rosen Quist had solid days.

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01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 2: For Rucci had the issue when he tried to pit

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01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 2: off turn three instead of turned four. Send him back.

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01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 2: Still finished eighth hurd, It was going to be in

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01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 2: the mix. He had a penalty though exiting the pit

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01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: box and getting in Jacob Abel's way, or he might

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01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 2: have been better as well. We talked about Calumilott, what

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01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 2: a great day that he had as well, and then

1530
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 2: the unfortunate for Potto and Power. We said that could

1531
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 2: have been winners. Malucas was running up there, came together

1532
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 2: with Foster, thought that was pretty clearly Foster's issue coming up.

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Speaker 2: I understand how Foster then feels like he went down

1534
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 2: and came down on him after that, but Foster was

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01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: penalized in that circumstance. So we can talk more about

1536
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,759
Speaker 2: the race next week, and I'll ask for Kurt's thoughts

1537
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 2: as well, a big picture thought on the season. So,

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01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 2: as I mentioned with Will, it was a much more

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01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 2: enjoyable finished the season with much less angst in that

1540
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 2: my employment does not mostly end right after the race

1541
01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 2: is over. Now nothing is guaranteed thing and certainly in

1542
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 2: this business, but I feel good about all of us

1543
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 2: and the reaction and the conversations that we've had with

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01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: Fox executives. So I am someone also that's not super

1545
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 2: big on change, and I was, as I've said, quite

1546
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 2: happy with the status quo and the way things were

1547
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 2: at NBC. And Matt has nothing to do with moving

1548
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 2: to the boot that was In general, I love being

1549
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 2: on Pit Lane with Lee Diffy is a part of

1550
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 2: our coverage and I would have been happy for that

1551
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 2: to continue for many many years. All of that said,

1552
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 2: this season has been wonderful. There's something to be said

1553
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 2: when the CEO of the company, Eric Shanks, is all

1554
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 2: in on IndyCar and convinces the people even above him

1555
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 2: that we need to invest in this sport and get

1556
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 2: even more involved. That's why I think the future is

1557
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 2: very bright. And it's fun for us, not just the announcers,

1558
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,719
Speaker 2: but everyone on the crew to interact with the top

1559
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 2: level people at the company and they are involved. Yes,

1560
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 2: we all know the NFL is king and there's a

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01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 2: lot of money to be made from there. But that's

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01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why I'm so optimistic. There were

1563
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 2: new technologies this year, and things beyond my level of

1564
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 2: understanding that had no connection with the new technologies. If

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01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,679
Speaker 2: just the transfer from one network to another and how

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01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 2: things are broadcast, so that takes some time, it will

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01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 2: get even better next year. These are massively talented and

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01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 2: creative people behind the camera, behind the scenes, so I

1569
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 2: am excited about that in the discussions that we will

1570
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 2: have for next year, and it's just been a wonderful year.

1571
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 2: Now I'll go back to NBC a little bit and

1572
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 2: I've got a couple of sports car races and then

1573
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens for the winter, and we will

1574
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 2: continue this program, including next Monday night. I think it's

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Speaker 2: seven right here at ninety three to five and one

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Speaker 2: oh seven five the fan