1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: My name is Nigel Jason Hammer. Right over there also 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: joining us live and studio to go off the rails, 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: It's one mister Rob Kendall from The Kendall and Casey Show. 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: Rob, how are you? Oh? I'm great. Thanks as always 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: to our segment sponsor Garage Doors of Indianapolis. They're the best. 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: I heard your guest earlier this morning on your show 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: is Nikki Kelly from Capitol Chronicle, and you kind of 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: you ended the conversation. You kind of pender down metaphorically speaking, hey, 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: and you said, you know, best guests easy there, Weinstein. 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: Is Weinstein and whatever? 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: Best guess is this going to get through the Is 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: redistricting going to get through committee and get voted on 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: by the Senate? 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: Like? Is that what you asked her today? I understand 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: we've been asking our media people. We've had all these 16 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: media people on this week and I've asked every single 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: one of them, The Star and Capitol Chronicle and all 18 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: these people. Do they think this thing is going to 19 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: go forward? What's for? 20 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: What has to happen next, What's going to happen next 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: here in this process? 22 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: The household prove it tomorrow. That's a four conclusion then 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: the Senate will meet next week and go through the 24 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: hearing process. Now it is unknown what committee they're going 25 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: to assign it to. That's a Rod Bray deal, right, 26 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: Bray is gonna pick the committee assignment. And when he 27 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: picks it, will they even hear it? And if they 28 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: hear it, will they approve it to even get it 29 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: to the Senate for a vote. 30 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 3: Now, this is a big deal because in the past, 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: the people Rod Bray has picked for certain committees have 32 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: been designed. 33 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 4: To screw you. 34 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 3: Go back to property taxes, and he puts people like 35 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: Scott Baldwin on the committee who've got financial skin in 36 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: the game for screwing people over. 37 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: Oh totally. I think you'll get an idea based on 38 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: where it goes in committee. Now it will depend on Look, 39 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 2: I'm so torn on this because I just can't like 40 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 2: and you know, in your mind, you can't picture things 41 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: like what it's going to be like. I can't picture 42 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: Bray allowing something to be voted on and approve that 43 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: he's vehemently against, which he clearly is with this. But 44 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: then I also can't picture the governor getting thoroughly embarrassed 45 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: of the entire nation. But Braun has been such an 46 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: ass about this and goaded and insulted Bray and challenged him. 47 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: And but bah da dah. Maybe Bray's like, just give 48 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: him what he wants, will embarrass him in front of the. 49 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: Nation, and Bray can be bought. We saw that with 50 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: Constitutional Carry Allegedly, when the NRA started making phone calls up, 51 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: it'd be a shame of all of our funding stopped 52 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: coming to the state of Indiana all of a sudden. 53 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 4: He believed in Second Amendment, Right. 54 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, The difference here is he does, the constituents aren't 55 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: for it. This is the problem. This is an invention 56 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump and these people being subservient to him 57 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: and these outside groups like Turning Point USA. Poll after 58 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: poll after poll shows the people of Indiana are against us, 59 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: and those maps are an abomination. Those maps are disgusting. 60 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: Why are they disgusting? Look, the whole premise of representative 61 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: right is the word you're supposed to represent. When you 62 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: look at how the founders put the country together. There's 63 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: a reason there's a house in a Senate. The Senate's 64 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: the upper chamber. It's the big pictures. Why they're up 65 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: every six years. They represent the entire state. The House 66 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: is supposed to be people who represent a group of 67 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: people with like minded interest. When you go to Washington, 68 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: your job really is and I mean it's become this, 69 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: but not to be a Republican or Democrat. Your job 70 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: is to say, my people feel this way about this issue. 71 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: I'm supposed to fight for these people who this is 72 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: going to impact them in this manner. There are districts, 73 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: multiple ones that start in Indianapolis and stretch across the 74 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: entire state. Of the people of Marion County of nothing 75 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: in common with somebody at the southern tip of Indiana, 76 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: these largely rural ag districts. 77 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: And yet I think I do. I'm Marion County. I 78 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: think I probably got a little bit in common with 79 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: the old books at the River of Ohio. We both 80 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: like to gamble, we go to casinos, and we don't 81 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: want to have Andre Carson. 82 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: We got a lot in common. 83 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: Ra I guarantee you that a lot of those people 84 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: in other Indiana don't give two damns about Andre Carson. 85 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: That is a Marian, so they don't know him. And 86 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: that's the point. But that's the point. Though your job. 87 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: There will be policies I promise you there will be 88 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: numerous policies that will be in direct conflict where this 89 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: person's vote will screw somebody in their district because of 90 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: the way these districts are set up. Look, okay, and 91 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: here's another example of this, because people have been on 92 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: me about this about Shreve. How did Jefferson Shreed become 93 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: a congressman. He spent an entire year screwing the people 94 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: of Marion County, lying and running this horrible mayoral campaign. 95 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: But he was essentially spent fifteen sixteen million dollars whatever 96 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: of name id he His district that he's in now 97 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: has a portion of Marion County and it stretches all 98 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: the way to the Ohio border. What did he do? 99 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: He ran up the score in Marion County When he 100 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: ran for Congress. He didn't get a majority of the 101 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: vote or anywhere close to it. He got all those 102 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: people in Marion County a vote for him, and now 103 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: he's a congressman. He is a Marion County Congressman representing 104 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: the rest of that entire district. That's what almost every 105 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: district is going to be like if these maps passed. 106 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you this, how much sway. 107 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: How much poll does Rod Bray Senate pro tim have 108 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: over the people under him a lot? I mean that's 109 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: why property taxes went down. That's why I mean he does. 110 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: He's the big boss, right. 111 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 2: I mean you could make a case maybe Houston. 112 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: Which is why I'm surprised if you aren't as anti 113 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: Rod Bray as I am. Property taxes was your baby, 114 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 3: that was like your cause. Like, I'm ticked off because 115 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: I think he's the reason why in his little elite 116 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: teama butt sniffers underneath them that we got screwed. Like, 117 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: I feel like you should be more angry than anybody 118 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: at Rod Burro Bray, Well, you're way angrier about Braun 119 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: and Beckwith. 120 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: They lied to me. Rod Brady lied to me, don't 121 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: lie to me. Braun looked me right in the eye 122 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: and lied to me numerous times. Micah lied to me 123 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: numerous times. Those guys, eh, don't I can deal with 124 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: people that I don't agree with. I get on by 125 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: with Jesse Brown. I agree with him on anything. He 126 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 2: looks run in the face, tells me what he thinks. 127 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 4: Dare I say, friend of the show, you've been on 128 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 4: with us. 129 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: I get along with all sorts of liberal people. Do 130 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: you make fun of my friends all the time? Right? 131 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: They don't lie to me. The bad guy guys lied 132 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: to me, and they lied to the state. I got 133 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: no tolerance for that. Because you can't trust him, you 134 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: can't deal with them. I know what Rodbray is the 135 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: same way as I know what the Democrats are. Look, 136 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: I do not believe. Look, Jennifer Ruth Green is a 137 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 2: disgusting person. She failed in that run for Congress. They 138 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: tried to push her up by giving her this cushy 139 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars taxpayer funded job, 140 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: and because she has the ethics of Tony Soprano, she 141 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: couldn't even make it eight months before they had to 142 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: get rid of her. That's who's gonna be their golden 143 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: child in that first congressional district. Is that the person 144 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 2: that's gonna save America? Because that's what they want us 145 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: to believe. I don't believe in rewarding these people. I 146 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: don't want any more Jefferson Shreeves, and I don't want 147 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: Andre cars to be the mayor of Indianapolis, which is 148 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. 149 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 3: Okay, here's my thing about Andre Carson becoming the mayor 150 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: of Indianapolis. If he just shows up and he's sober, 151 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: I feel like we've made progress. Like I'm not gonna 152 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: like the policies, but I don't like Joe Hawks. 153 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 4: That's policies. 154 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: Is he going to be there? Is he gonna be coherent? 155 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 3: Is he not faced down in a urinal somewhere? Like 156 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 3: If that's the case, I feel like we've made progress. 157 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: We have to stop the Republican lies and the bad 158 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: Republican behavior. When my two and a half your old misbehaviors, mismisbehaves, 159 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: I don't give her more candy. I don't give her 160 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: cookies and go, great job, Livy. If she draws on 161 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: the wall, I put her in time out. We have 162 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: had nothing but bad behavior from these Republicans. The taxes, 163 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: the corruption, the conflicts of interest, the utility bills. They 164 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: don't do anything to help us. And we're like, well, 165 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: let's just reward him and give him two more seats. 166 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: Why would they ever help us? 167 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 3: And I agree with you, and you're right about that, 168 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: but I feel like there's a better chance of primarying 169 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 3: a Republican turn out than primarying Andre Carson out because 170 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: Andre Carson is a made man here in Marion County. 171 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 4: He is like the uh capo of a mafia. He 172 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: is not going anywhere he has set. 173 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: He could walk out there pantiless and say hey, all 174 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: of you can bite me, and he would win in 175 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: a landslide because the last name is Carson, Hendrick. 176 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: Carson doesn't matter. If the Republicans would just act like Republicans, 177 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: none of this would be an issue. It's the Republicans 178 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: who are to blame because they have all the power 179 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: we don't need. Andre doesn't matter about Andre Carson. 180 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: System had pass through the Senate. It's just as embarrassing 181 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: for Rod Braise it is Governor Braun, isn't it Why 182 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: Bray's been against it from the beginning. If I beg 183 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: you not to do something, but he's letting them. He's 184 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: bringing it to the table though, So why bring it 185 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: to the table because think he wants to embarrass Braun. 186 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: If he wants to do you think that's his endgame here? 187 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: I think, why did he Well, I don't know. I 188 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: don't know. You'd have to ask him. Here's what I know. 189 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: You got what twenty knows right? Well, probably twenty two 190 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: I know a couple of people that are knows that 191 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: haven't announced it, but I'm not going to out them 192 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: on that because it's that's their job to do. You 193 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: got basically twenty two people that are against. So that's 194 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: like ten Democrats, twelve Republicans. You've got what is it, 195 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: twenty twenty yes confirmed yes, So you've got eight people 196 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: that are This is gonna come down to They got 197 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: to get four of them to be no. If you 198 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: were a yes and you could get off all these 199 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: lunatics off your ass, wouldn't you've made that announcement by now? 200 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: If you could be a hero and a turning point, 201 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: being able would love you, and Trump would say nice 202 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: things about you, and you wouldn't get bothered anymore. Wouldn't 203 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: you come out and say, you know what, I'm I'm 204 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: for this and just be done with it. I think 205 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: if you haven't announced now, minds could be changed. But 206 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. If you have an announce you're probably 207 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: a NO. I get it wrong. 208 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: It feels like you are one of the most connected 209 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 3: people when it comes to what's going on inside the 210 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: state House. This is the interesting question for me, and 211 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard anything one way or 212 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: the other. If you have, please let us know. It's 213 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: one of two things here. Somebody has told Rod Bray 214 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: it'd be a shame to follow. Your funding stopped coming, 215 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 3: and he decided to see the light and let's move 216 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: forward like he did with constitutional carry. Or he's like, 217 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 3: you know what, if Braun and Trump are gonna drag 218 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: my name through the mud, let's dance. Don't threaten me 219 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: with a good time. I'll call a vote. We're not 220 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: going to have the votes, and all the mean tweets 221 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: will start going to him. 222 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: No, if the people I've talked to, we talked to 223 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: multiple people, and I never got anybody this week to 224 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: say it's a yes. I got multiple people to say 225 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: they think it's a no. I got some people say 226 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: I don't have idea, it's super close. But like these 227 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: people that are coming out in the nos, they are 228 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: subservient to Braun Bray, many of them they wouldn't be 229 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: doing that if they thought he was really for this 230 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: or was gonna be angry if they did that, because 231 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: those those committee assignments and stuff are too they're too important. 232 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 2: And I think maybe Braun was such an ass about 233 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: this and Bray. Look, you said whatever you want about Bray. 234 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: He was very polite about all this. He tried his best. 235 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: He was a very polite weasel. 236 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not saying he's not I'm just saying he's 237 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: like Bobby the Brain Heena. 238 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 4: He's very well spoken. Still a weasel, but very well spoke. 239 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: If you keep telling somebody that train is gonna run 240 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: you over and get off the tracks, and the guy 241 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: keeps extending his middle finger back to you and saying 242 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 2: you don't know anything about anything, get out there and 243 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: drive that train, well okay, I'll ride the train and 244 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: run you over. 245 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: I mean, at least I really thought i'd get more 246 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: of a response from the Bobby Heenan, a reference out 247 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 3: of you, like you obviously. 248 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 2: His own baby on this radio station that had been 249 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 2: to have Bobby Heenan as a feeling as doing a 250 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: show with you the Hammer and Heena or the Nigel 251 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: and Heena. 252 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: And something Nige and I have been talking about quite 253 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 3: a bit is here's an awful lot of open property 254 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: here in downtown Indy. Stores are moving out, nobody's moving 255 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: back in the coupon Lady and I had a little 256 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 3: date night a couple of weekends ago, Friday night downtown 257 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: went to the comedy club and this was a warm night. 258 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: It was like sixty degrees, unseasonably warm on a Friday. 259 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: There was hardly anybody out downtown. The Country Bar was full, 260 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: the comedy club was full. 261 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 4: And that was it. 262 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: And the studies have been done that we're higher than 263 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: the national average of empty office space. 264 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 4: Over double the national average. 265 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: So explain to me, Rob, why do people like the 266 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: Indie Chamber, the Chamber of Commerce hitch their wagon to 267 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: people like Joe Hawks set and endorsed them when last 268 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: time I remember Hawks that have businesses out to dry 269 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 3: during the riots. 270 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: We had this conversation today on our show because we're 271 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: talking about these people who look I never changed, right. 272 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 2: I call people out the same principles, same everything. When 273 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: I do it with the Democrats, people love me for 274 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: four years. When we're doing it to Biden and now 275 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: the same standard to Trump, people get mad and or 276 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: screaming at me. And somebody I was talking the other 277 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: day that's connecting the State House, said you got to 278 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: think of it like this. Remember when they had Bob 279 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: Knight literally on camera choking a kid, and people were 280 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: still like in some sort of denial, like Night got 281 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: a raw deal. No, you can see him wrap his 282 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: hands around that guy's throat in his head, jerks back violently. 283 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,599 Speaker 2: He was choking a kid. Why did people continue to 284 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: find Bob Knight for years, all the crap putting the 285 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,599 Speaker 2: cop in the trash can and throwing the plants and 286 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: the soil toilet paper because they were so emotionally connected 287 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: into it. And if at some point, if you've been 288 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 2: so emotionally connected into something you break from it, you're 289 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: not only indicting that person, you're indicting yourself. And I 290 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: think that's part of it, is like these people have 291 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: been in this club for so long and it's kind 292 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: of e leadist, like bigger than the Peasants Club, And 293 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 2: Joe Hogg said has been sort of the face of 294 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: it that if you break from it, like it's an 295 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: emotional thing, like it's a trigger in your brain that 296 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: they just can't do it no matter how bad it gets. 297 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: So we got a couple seconds left here. We've got 298 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 3: a new podcast that's out right. We've done the College 299 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: Foot podcast on Tuesday, We've done the NFL podcast today, 300 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: Which is your favorite play of the weekend. We're gonna 301 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: give one away for free right now, because this may 302 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: be the final off the rails in this building. Maybe 303 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 3: we think we don't know, So give me your best bet, 304 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: whether it's college or football this weekend. 305 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: Well, I think you and I are an agreement that 306 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,599 Speaker 2: six and a half the Bears are a six and 307 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: a half point underdog at the Packers. You and I 308 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: are both cluttering buying it up to ten because the 309 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: Bear stink and the. 310 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 4: Place of the NFC. 311 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: Rob, Well, I'm in first place in our betting in 312 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: our betting show. Do you think I'm the best? Better? 313 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: That's a good point. What's coming up tomorrow? H The 314 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: booze industry is in trouble. Small market booze people are 315 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 2: in trouble. Cloppenstein Stein is gonna be with us to 316 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 2: tell us. 317 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 4: Can you say that like Bruce Springsteen for me? 318 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Bruce, how many local mom and pop bars 319 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: are left? It's not many. 320 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 4: It's not many. 321 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: You guys are in trouble. He's off the rails. 322 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: That's Rob Kendall. This is the Hammer and Nights a Show.