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Speaker 2: So the Supreme Court is hearing an asylum case. It's

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Speaker 2: about whether or not you could turn people away on

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Speaker 1: I mean, one would argue that this is a rather

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Speaker 2: Are you telling me that a country is not allowed

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Speaker 2: to say no, you can't come in until we prove

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Speaker 2: We have to let you in first, then decide your claim.

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Speaker 2: But by that time they have access to all these

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Speaker 2: other opportunities and so called rights. You and I have

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Speaker 2: already come to a decision. The law is a whole

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Speaker 2: different thing. Tony Kats Tony Katz today. Good to be here,

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you. Justice Amy Cony Barrett is speaking.

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Speaker 1: A woman named.

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Speaker 2: Kelsey Corkoran, also speaking in favor of those legal immigrants

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Speaker 3: Gets to that part next.

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Speaker 4: So we take out at the port of entry, when

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Speaker 4: it mean to arrive in the United States. I think

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Speaker 4: same analysis supplies. Right, have you made it to the

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Speaker 3: To step on.

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Speaker 5: So anybody at the water's edge of the Rio Grande

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Speaker 3: Now the border is halfway through the water, all.

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Speaker 5: Right, so they've got one step short of halfway through.

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Speaker 5: They've arrived, But somebody who's on the water's edge has

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Speaker 5: So somebody who's at the fence has arrived in. Let

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Speaker 4: Well, so the fence, so we're talking about the border wall.

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Speaker 4: That is, the border wall is entirely on the interior.

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Speaker 4: So in fact, anyone who gets to the border wall.

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Speaker 3: They're already as physically president.

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Speaker 5: So anybody who's arrived at the fence is in.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but that's just a matter of geography that they're

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Speaker 3: The analogy that I think of is a stadium.

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Speaker 4: So I'm arriving at a stadium when I'm at the

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Speaker 3: So I don't think someone who's at.

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Speaker 5: A top of the wall, they're in. But if they're

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Speaker 5: We're going to get case. As soon as we decide

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Speaker 1: So as a part, that's Justice Gorsuch.

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Speaker 2: And you start realizing, because by way this is all

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Speaker 1: It, I have not heard that. I'm hearing it like

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Speaker 1: What for Drifoot did you touch land? Yes or no?

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Speaker 2: But I think that the larger scale conversation is what

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Speaker 1: They said, America's.

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Speaker 5: These these people want to make these claims. They're there

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Speaker 3: Well, they just then once they get up there can

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Speaker 1: Keep it here.

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. So there

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Speaker 1: And we're thrilled with what happened. On October seventh.

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Speaker 2: The group is called the Palestinian American Congress.

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Speaker 1: They have posts such as.

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Speaker 2: That this is all just a gross, gross bit of

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Speaker 1: Willing intellect. Is that a nice way to say that.

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Speaker 2: If you view everything in your world as oppressed and oppressor, right,

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Speaker 1: We don't have to It doesn't have to be asked.

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Speaker 2: I don't care where you are in Israel, doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 1: Who's even talking to who's making decisions for Iran? Who

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Speaker 2: These people, this leadership that has already had the living

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Speaker 2: in the middle. We're here, now, what do you want

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Speaker 1: What do you want to do before we go? Not

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Speaker 2: Did we actually achieve goal or is there a goal

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Speaker 1: Was a that was not necessary?

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Speaker 2: We could have We didn't do the job, We didn't

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Speaker 2: finish the job, we could have done more.

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Speaker 1: At what moment do Americans.

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Speaker 2: Get to say, hey, we did a lot of good there,

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean we'll agree with it. So what exactly is

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Speaker 1: The regime the new regime? Wait, wait, there's gonna be

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Speaker 2: Well, President Trump said he wanted to say, and who

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Speaker 1: For This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 2: So President Trump sends ICE to the airports, and the

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Speaker 2: next thing you know, everything's better.

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Speaker 1: The next thing you know, the lines are moving.

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Speaker 2: The next thing that you know, people are getting to

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Speaker 7: Yes, Stuart, it is exponentially different here today than it

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Speaker 7: there is a very short line right now, and it's

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Speaker 2: People have Yes, Fox News, it's because it was a

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Speaker 2: You have the people doing the job. That's what happened.

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Speaker 2: And when you have people doing the job, you have success.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Kats that I forget sometimes if I

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Speaker 2: be with you. I wonder. I wonder whether or not

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Speaker 2: this gives ICE a bump in the polls, how people

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it helps in a pr kind

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Speaker 1: Senator Corey Booker, He's outraged, and so what's happening today

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'll find a better audio. He's making the argument

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Speaker 2: is Republicans that are keeping ICE hostage. I'm sorry, keeping

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Speaker 8: To people that may not have been following as closely,

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Speaker 1: Can you explain that? Yeah, it's very simple.

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Speaker 9: There's been a massive fight over ICE, which is in

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Speaker 9: the Department of Homeland Security. There has been, understandably all

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Speaker 9: across this country worries about their tactics, the violence that's

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Speaker 9: we're not giving more money to an agency's out of

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Speaker 1: So you unders he's lying from the quick.

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Speaker 2: Republicans have voted to fund Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 2: So I go back to whether or not having ice

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Speaker 2: Senator John Kennedy, he is making the argument that enough

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Speaker 1: No, no, no.

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Speaker 2: Bursting into churches is what Don Lemon does. Senator John

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Speaker 2: They're un serious people. Why don't we not just TSA

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Speaker 1: So the plan A.

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Speaker 2: Was to reopen the government fund everything except anything regarding ICE,

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Speaker 1: Reconciliation is a budget process.

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Speaker 2: And when you're talking about a budget process, you do

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Speaker 2: that's all you need.

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Speaker 1: That's all you need.

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Speaker 2: What Kennedy is saying is the president doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: So why don't we just put the whole thing through reconciliation?

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Speaker 2: in the minors. We're trying to play major league ball here.

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Speaker 2: We're going to handle things where the party in charge.

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Speaker 2: Let's go be in charge. And by doing doing this, okay,

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Speaker 2: if you can actually engage this via reconciliation, you take

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Speaker 2: ownership of the whole thing, which is fine. Republicans got

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Speaker 2: you paid, Republicans kept the country safe.

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Speaker 1: You got to be able to market it.

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Speaker 2: My issue is that Republicans are very, very bad regarding

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Speaker 2: the marketing. And did you see the moment where Senator

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Speaker 2: Kennedy is saying, because of this shutdown, senator should.

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Speaker 1: Not get paid. He's there in the Senate.

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Speaker 2: And he's making this argument, and what you're going to

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Speaker 2: hear is somebody shout, I object. You've got Senator Kennedy speaking,

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Speaker 2: you have Senator Jim Banks from Indiana, who's presiding over

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Speaker 2: the Senate at that moment, follow this.

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Speaker 6: Bunch of president as if in legislative session, and ending

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Speaker 6: Rule twenty two, I ask unanimous consent to Senate proceed

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Speaker 6: to the consideration of Calendar number two nine to six.

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Speaker 1: S Rev. S Revs.

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Speaker 6: Rather five two six, which some of Marino and I've

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Speaker 6: just talked about. And further, that the resolution be agreed

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Speaker 6: to and the motion to reconsider be considered made and

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Speaker 6: laid upon the.

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Speaker 2: Title certain objection objective the objections heard now that is

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Speaker 2: Democratic Senator Brian Shatz out of Hawaii. I object. And

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Speaker 2: what you are about to witness is the moment where

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Speaker 2: they realize he left. He said, I object to the

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Speaker 2: idea of senators not getting paid, because if these government

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Speaker 2: workers aren't getting paid, watching senators be paid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he objected, and then left.

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Speaker 2: Check out the confusion because Banks is like, said, there's

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Speaker 2: an objection.

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Speaker 1: He looks over and shots is gone. It's like, what's

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Speaker 1: going on here?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Taking that silence is no one knowing what to do

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Speaker 1: with respect?

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Speaker 6: Is I want to give my senator, my colleague shots

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Speaker 6: more times? Is he he objected and left the chamber?

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Speaker 1: Would he?

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Speaker 6: Is he coming back?

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Speaker 3: Just once?

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Speaker 6: Just once?

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Speaker 9: I mean?

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Speaker 1: Is he is he? Is he?

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Speaker 6: Is he?

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Speaker 1: Ill?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 1: One knows?

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Speaker 2: That's the Democratic Party. Why do I even have to

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Speaker 2: stand up and make my case? I object? The senators

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Speaker 2: want to get paid. They don't care if anybody else

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Speaker 2: gets paid. They don't care how long you are in line.

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Speaker 2: And if you actually do something to fix the lines,

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Speaker 2: I say, how dare you fix the lines? Republicans are

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Speaker 2: going to lose to these people. Republicans are going to

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Speaker 2: lose to these progressives in the midterms. This is their messaging.

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Speaker 1: Good lord, good lord.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the Iran question, Yeah, I've got a few, keep

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Speaker 2: it here.

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: According to the Wall Street Journal, the Iran the Iranians

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Speaker 2: might be worried that talks with Trump.

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Speaker 1: Could be a trap. I need Admiral Acbar at that moment.

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Speaker 2: Maybe would I believe any talks?

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Speaker 1: No? And do I believe talks are happening?

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Speaker 6: Not?

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Speaker 1: Really, I don't. I don't believe it.

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats Tony Kats today. Good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Who in the world could we possibly be talking to?

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Speaker 2: When Trump says the talks with the Iranians are going well,

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Speaker 2: when Israel says there may be a deal that comes

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Speaker 2: together that works for everybody, with whom are you making

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Speaker 2: a deal?

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Speaker 1: Now? There is the head of the.

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Speaker 2: Iranian parliament who was the mayor of Tehran back in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and five, and he was with the IRGC

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Speaker 2: before that.

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Speaker 1: As a commander or just after that as a commander.

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Speaker 2: His name is Khloboff Qa l Ibaf. Maybe they're negotiating

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Speaker 2: with him, but this guy's a part of the IRGC.

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Speaker 2: You can't be negotiating with the IRGC and expect that

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a deal that could be trusted.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy town. No, you cannot believe such a thing.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things that we know is that

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Speaker 2: this is a war of propaganda. The United States, along

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Speaker 2: with Israel, wants to keep the Iranians cussing. The Iranians

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Speaker 2: want to keep the American left and the woke right

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Speaker 2: pushing against Trump and Israel.

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Speaker 1: All warfare is deception, that's sun sou.

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Speaker 2: But is there any question that Iram to the extent

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Speaker 2: that any leadership exists wants to ensure it is activating

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Speaker 2: their useful idiots in the United States to press against Trump,

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Speaker 2: to press against Conservatives, to press against anything that would

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Speaker 2: involve destroying the regime. The answers, of course not it's

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Speaker 2: exactly what they're doing. So when Iran says there's no

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Speaker 2: conversation happening, We're not having any conversations with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe them for a second.

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Speaker 2: Then you have the news that direct talks between the

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Speaker 2: US and Iran on ending the war could be held

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Speaker 2: in Islamabad as early as this week.

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Speaker 1: Reuters reported this There.

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Speaker 2: Are intermedia intermediaries including Egypt, Pakistan and several Gulf states

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Speaker 2: that have been relaying messages between Washington and Tehran, and

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Speaker 2: Iranian media reported that Pejikian Peeshkian sorry he is the

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Speaker 2: president of Iran and the Pakistani Prime Minister discuss us

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Speaker 2: the war's impact on regional and global security. Do I

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Speaker 2: believe that whit coop is going to have this meeting

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Speaker 2: and with cough could have a meeting, but I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it's a meeting that is guaranteed to end

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Speaker 2: the fighting, because ending the fighting has to mean something.

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Speaker 2: And for the record, just for the second clarity, I

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Speaker 2: have no problem with ending the fighting. It's not my issue.

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Speaker 2: If we're ending the fighting before the regime is gone,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why we were there. I know, and

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Speaker 2: talking doesn't mean that it's all going to be over.

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Speaker 2: But I said, but I want to be clear, I'm

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Speaker 2: totally fine with leaving, but the regime has to be

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Speaker 2: gone otherwise what do we do. But now we're just

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Speaker 2: talking about the possibility of talking. It doesn't mean we are,

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Speaker 2: and what matters is what we are. It's like Trump's saying,

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Speaker 2: the Iranians have two days, so we're going to bomb

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Speaker 2: their big power facilities. Well, we've had such good conversations,

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Speaker 2: I've decided to give it five days. Give them a

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Speaker 2: five day reprieve. Was he bombing anything? Was he planning

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Speaker 2: on bombing anything? This is where the propaganda comes in.

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Speaker 2: And of course Trump is doing this.

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Speaker 1: I have discussed this.

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Speaker 2: The Pentagon is very very good at the misdirect and

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Speaker 2: a lot of what they're doing is clearly misdirect and

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Speaker 2: we may find as we sit here, there is a

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Speaker 2: new bombing raid going on of these power facilities in Iran,

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Speaker 2: because the objective was to throw them off here, try

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Speaker 2: and misdirector do the other thing. They do have strategy.

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Speaker 2: All I can tell you is that I don't believe

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Speaker 2: any of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be rude. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: be dismissive. It's just.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell me what people say, tell me what people do,

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Speaker 2: especially in this case.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Kats