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Speaker 1: Live from Vaal, Hartland and the crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: And while absolutely everything is about what's happening with Ice,

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Speaker 2: what's happening across the country, how the political left is

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Speaker 2: not only engaged in violence, they support it, they want it,

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Speaker 2: They fantasize about it.

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Speaker 3: This is their moment.

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Speaker 2: They don't look at this and say, tone down the rhetoric.

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Speaker 2: They look at this and say, when will the right crack?

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Find everything I do over at Tony Katz dot com.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just this that's happening. Yesterday, with very

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Speaker 2: little fanfare, House Republicans voted with Democrats to extend Obamacare

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Speaker 2: subsidies for three more years, just you know, because why not?

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Speaker 2: So they had to shut down. They didn't get what

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Speaker 2: they want. They were promised that we would have another vote,

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Speaker 2: and Republicans said, three more years of this of subsidies

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Speaker 2: that were only covid era for an Obamacare that's opposed

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Speaker 2: to lower costs? Is this rational or is all politics?

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Speaker 3: Local?

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Speaker 2: Ed Marssey joins me right now from hot air dot com,

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Speaker 2: where he is the Kapa ditutikappo over there.

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Speaker 3: Good to see ed. We will get into ice we've got.

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Speaker 3: We can go very very.

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Speaker 2: Deep there specifically and especially about what we're talking about

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Speaker 2: regarding Western civilization, which I won't stop from.

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Speaker 3: This is obvious. The Marxism has taken hold.

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Speaker 2: If you send your kids to universities, you're out of

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Speaker 2: your head.

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Speaker 3: Well, depending on the university. We have a real danger here.

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Speaker 2: But Republicans voting for Obamacare subsidies seventeen, I think Republicans

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Speaker 2: voted with the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Do you see this as well? I guess Obamacare is going.

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Speaker 2: To stay for the rest of Trump's presidency or is

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Speaker 2: this Well, you do this so the Republicans can say

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Speaker 2: they voted for that, and.

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Speaker 3: Then you make moves in the Senate and it'll be

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, certainly the possibilities there, right, and we've

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Speaker 4: if you're looking to protect yourself on this, you do

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Speaker 4: year a one year extension of the subsidies, and then

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Speaker 4: you introduce a reconciliation package you try to undo everything.

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Speaker 3: And that may still be what's going to happen, which

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Speaker 4: They can introduce a reconciliation package that will then address

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Speaker 4: the entirety of Obamacare. The problem is that Republicans really

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Speaker 4: don't have a plan to deal with the entirety of Obamacare.

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Speaker 4: They still fifteen years down the road, still have not

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Speaker 4: at least that possibility does exist. A three year extension

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Speaker 4: doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's better

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Speaker 4: the middle of an election cycle. But really, honestly, the

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Speaker 4: one year extension would have been sufficient to do what

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Speaker 4: it is that's happening here. The reason why it's a

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Speaker 4: three year extension, of course, is because Mike Johnson didn't

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Speaker 4: and because Hakem Jeffries and his caucus wrote that it

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Speaker 3: I mean that's he played it smart. That was smart.

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Speaker 3: One of the other arguments.

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Speaker 2: Could be, SA, you know you can't I think that

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Speaker 2: we need to get rid of Obamacare. Of course, you

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Speaker 3: Hakim Jeffries took it off the table for the midterms

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Speaker 2: So is that the smartest approach that the left could

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Speaker 3: Look what we did to the Republicans.

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Speaker 2: The whole subject kind of gets washed away.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean he teed it up for the presidential elections,

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 4: They should have they should have know that this was

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Speaker 4: first passed. They chose to do a reconciliation package, but

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Speaker 4: issues in that one big, beautiful bill. This is a

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Speaker 4: But they have to have something to replace it, and

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Speaker 2: And then you have the retirement to Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 2: But the point is taken. You can actually hear people saying,

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Speaker 3: Not have a plan?

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Speaker 2: Nothing? U gats on the subject of Obamacare. How many

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Speaker 2: You've got the leadership, you've got the control of the

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Speaker 4: I think that they've kind of given up on getting

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Speaker 4: And the only option at the end of that kind

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Speaker 4: an even bigger disaster. That's where the left is pushing for.

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Speaker 4: Obamacare was always just a tee up for socialized medicine,

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Speaker 4: take this. It was a transition to socialized medicine. And

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't I don't know if we say it's working,

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Speaker 2: For Democrats who want medicaid for all, it's the Bernie

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Speaker 4: The problem is that they're establishing more and more government

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Speaker 4: you can read Hayek for this is that when government

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Speaker 4: believe that they can force outcomes through central planning. And again,

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Speaker 4: if you read The Road to Serve Them by F. A. Hyek,

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Speaker 4: you can see exactly how this kind of thing works.

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Speaker 4: It's not just on the macro political scale of socialism,

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Speaker 4: Obamacare is central planning, it's feeling. The answer to that

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Speaker 2: The Left never learns from their mistake, They never admit

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Speaker 3: The problem is you didn't let them implement.

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Speaker 2: It faithfully, properly in its totality. And it's never been tried.

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Speaker 2: True socialism has never been tried.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, socialism has never been tried. I've got more with

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Speaker 3: Ed Morrissey coming up. Keep it right here. I'm Tony

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Speaker 2: So exactly how violent is the left? I'll answer you

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Speaker 2: outrageously violent. And there is nobody within that party, in

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Let me bring back Ed Morrissey and continue our conversation.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, good to be with you. With Edmarrissey right

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Speaker 2: here from hot air dot com. Let's get into now

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Speaker 2: the part two, which is what we are seeing regarding immigrations,

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Speaker 2: immigration and customs in enforcement.

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Speaker 3: Now you got the piece right here.

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Speaker 2: The new CNN video activists blocked the road, accelerated toward

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Speaker 2: ICE agent walking across. This is about this woman, Renee Good,

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Speaker 2: She is the one who is in her car blocking

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Speaker 3: Of the car.

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Speaker 2: She then backed up the wheel spun when she started

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Speaker 3: She started going forward and turning to the right. Shots

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Speaker 2: The leftists call ICE agents murderers. They don't even want

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Speaker 2: what happened with the story. They just want to scream murder.

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Speaker 2: So does Alexandria Cosi Cortez, So does Eric swallwell, so

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Speaker 2: another incident with ICE in Portland, Oregon. You're seeing ICE

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Speaker 3: All the time.

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Speaker 2: First, let's talk about what you're writing about with this

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Speaker 2: the proof of this was self defense and the woman

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Speaker 4: So what this shows is some things that we had

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Speaker 4: This woman pulled up and parked normally on the street.

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Speaker 2: If they rise up against an authoritarian, then that person falls.

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Speaker 3: They don't tell you what happened.

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Speaker 3: Attack ICE more, go after Ice more.

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Speaker 2: Let's post more videos of people blocking ICE agents in

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw that video, see that.

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Speaker 3: It's maddening, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, And I could go into an entire ranch about liberal.

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Speaker 3: But this is this is this is bigger, This is stronger.

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Speaker 2: Then you have Eric Swalwell, the congressman from California, telling

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Speaker 2: The clear story here is that there is no desire

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Speaker 3: Is more destruction. This is proof that the Marxism is

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Speaker 2: It has taken hold and the party doesn't actually have

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Speaker 2: And we are here and the party must be prepared

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Speaker 3: I call it M Snow. I call it M Snow.

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Speaker 4: so that people can continue to fund raise and gin

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Speaker 4: up more outrage. This is a woman who was manipulated

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Speaker 4: at some level, was manipulated by a bunch of people

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Speaker 4: who are demagoguing immigration enforcement. And that's Tim Waltz, that's

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Speaker 4: Jacob Fry, that's Alexandria Cassio Cortes. It's basically most of

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Speaker 4: the Democrat party leadership and voices like John Fetterman are

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Speaker 4: few and far between on that side of the aisle.

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Speaker 3: Yes, John Fetterman, the voice of reason. I mean that

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Speaker 3: tells you who would again, who would have guessed right much?

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Speaker 3: Ed Morssey hootair dot com.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I believe the midterms are winnable for the Republicans,

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Speaker 2: but we'll get you through that another time. I'll be

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Speaker 2: doing that having that conversation January twenty fourth.

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Speaker 3: Tickets dot tonykats dot com. Get your tickets. Gonna be

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Speaker 3: an incredible event with the bourbon and everything else. Ed

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Speaker 3: marcyhotair dot com. I appreciate you. More is coming up.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz and this is Tony Kats today