Speaker 1: Meantime, back at drop Light Grant Park, we're in Westfield
Speaker 1: where they continue the second of two joint practices with
Speaker 1: the Falcons and the Colts and DeForest Buckner. A little
Speaker 1: bit later on, but on the any More Automative Group hotline,
Speaker 1: it is our friend from the Star who covers the pasters,
Speaker 1: Dustin de Puic, joining us. Hello, Dustin, how are you good?
Speaker 2: John about yourself? Man?
Speaker 3: Dustin fantastic?
Speaker 1: I will say this, if all of a sudden I
Speaker 1: disappear and it's Caleb, Caleb is going to take over,
Speaker 1: So don't let that surprise you just in case.
Speaker 3: Okay, Pal sounds good man. All right, let's start with
Speaker 3: the zone.
Speaker 1: How has the overall response been from what you've gathered
Speaker 1: so far from Pacer fans regarding their content providing announcement
Speaker 1: of earlier today?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I actually asked that question just on Twitter, just basically,
Speaker 2: what do you guys think? More or less? That's something
Speaker 2: an assignment I got for my boss, uh, and it
Speaker 2: seems like it's what I would have expected. I think
Speaker 2: what's interesting is anybody who has been getting the broadcast
Speaker 2: through FanDuel or through balleies and using the apps for
Speaker 2: those companies is happy because this is an upgrade and
Speaker 2: it's actually cheaper. Anyone who is actually buying the app
Speaker 2: will be spending less money than they were spending on that.
Speaker 2: As I understand it, I can't remember what the subscription
Speaker 2: prices were for that, but I think if you're getting
Speaker 2: the early bird price, you're actually paying less money than
Speaker 2: you were for that. The people that are bothered by
Speaker 2: this are people that already have subscriptions to some kind
Speaker 2: of cable or cable ish service, you know, something like
Speaker 2: Spectrum or Direct TV or something on those lines. People
Speaker 2: who are already paying money are a little bit annoyed
Speaker 2: by this because they're like, Okay, it's one more thing.
Speaker 2: And I think there's a general feeling of being bothered
Speaker 2: by this whole thing because so many people have just
Speaker 2: feel like they're you know, just washed in subscriptions. They're
Speaker 2: just constantly being asked to pay something more for something
Speaker 2: else that they didn't used to have to and they're remembering, hey,
Speaker 2: this was just part of my cable package. I paid
Speaker 2: one hundred bucks a month whatever it was, and that
Speaker 2: that's how I got everything. Now, you know, maybe you
Speaker 2: still kept that cable package and you have to have
Speaker 2: all these additional things that you used to just get
Speaker 2: as part of that, and so I think they just
Speaker 2: feel like they're paying, you know, paying more for less
Speaker 2: than they used to get it. We're paying a lot
Speaker 2: more for what they used to get. So there's I
Speaker 2: think again, I think it's positive for the people that
Speaker 2: were already watching paces games through an app of some
Speaker 2: kind and they look at the price and say, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's totally doable for me. But the people that have
Speaker 2: been paying for something like cable and we're holding onto
Speaker 2: it that way are not pleased that way.
Speaker 1: So Dustin to Pirac at the start, the Zone is
Speaker 1: the content provider for the Pacers now, at least for
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. So if you wouldn't mind recapping for
Speaker 1: everybody that may be a bit in the dark about
Speaker 1: this announcement earlier today, what does the Zone and the
Speaker 1: partnership with the Pacers entail dollar figure amount and then
Speaker 1: what kind of access to the pacers and other situations
Speaker 1: like the Pacer fans have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know what the dollar figuring out
Speaker 2: mount in terms of what the Pacers are getting out
Speaker 2: of this. It's a five year deal. There are opt
Speaker 2: outs involved. Basically the way this came down in the
Speaker 2: first place. Obviously, the company their owned valleys was called
Speaker 2: Diamond Sports Group. They went under a Chapter eleven bankruptcy
Speaker 2: and in May of twenty twenty three, Main Street Sports
Speaker 2: kind of formed out of the wreckage of that, and
Speaker 2: they basically Won't. Won't wound down at the end of
Speaker 2: the basketball season, so they were in a position where
Speaker 2: they had to pick somebody new in the NBA basically
Speaker 2: told all these teams that were in that position, hey,
Speaker 2: try to get something where you have an opt out,
Speaker 2: you know, basically because they're they're looking into the idea
Speaker 2: of having what mel Rains referred to as an aggregated solution,
Speaker 2: just basically that there would be kind of a hub
Speaker 2: for these regional sports networks run by the league. But
Speaker 2: what mel Rain's pointed out, she said that the das
Speaker 2: that the Zone is interested in being a partner for
Speaker 2: that hub, so they're there. It's a longer term agreement
Speaker 2: because there is kind of, I guess on hope on
Speaker 2: both parts that this will be compatible with whatever the
Speaker 2: league does after that. So pricing numbers as far as
Speaker 2: you know, for fans are concerned, A season pass at
Speaker 2: regular price is one nineteen ninety nine, but I guess
Speaker 2: there's an early bird and I think that's what people
Speaker 2: were excited about. Is if you buy the subscription before
Speaker 2: October fifteenth, it's fifty nine to ninety nine for the year.
Speaker 2: It's also nineteen ninety nine per month if you want
Speaker 2: to go that way. But if you're a season ticket holder,
Speaker 2: you get a complimentary season pass, and I think there's
Speaker 2: going to be free trials for everybody who signs up
Speaker 2: for a subscription. Beyond that, there will be I think
Speaker 2: twenty two games that will be broadcast in front of
Speaker 2: the paywall, so you can watch for free on the zone.
Speaker 2: They're also looking for a local broadcaster that they're hoping
Speaker 2: will take fifteen of those twenty two games that will
Speaker 2: be able to broadcast live over there. So they're looking
Speaker 2: for somebody that would be a local affiliate for one
Speaker 2: of the for one of the networks, basically for whether
Speaker 2: it's ANCCBS, NBC, Fox, one of those four. They're gonna
Speaker 2: look and they're gonna get hope to get a local
Speaker 2: broadcast partner out of that. So that's the whole rundown
Speaker 2: for this consumer. But I don't know exactly what the
Speaker 2: team is getting out of this from what their financial
Speaker 2: end of it is.
Speaker 1: So you you mentioned the whole local broadcast entity as
Speaker 1: a possibility. From what you have you heard, what options
Speaker 1: are out there? We know what Channel thirteen does along
Speaker 1: with the fever. Is it Channel thirteen or might it
Speaker 1: be somebody else out there that could be that local
Speaker 1: provider for a handful of games?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they wouldn't. They wouldn't tell us. I
Speaker 2: mean you would have to think THHR would probably be
Speaker 2: a favorite for that just because I mean I think
Speaker 2: they did. I think it was THHR that did maybe
Speaker 2: it was it six seven games last year. So you
Speaker 2: would think just having started that already, that would make
Speaker 2: them I'm sorry, okay, anyway, sorry I heard cambsay something
Speaker 2: I thought. But yeah, I think that they there. You
Speaker 2: would think they'd be the leader in the clubhouse for
Speaker 2: that just by having done this already. But that you know,
Speaker 2: but I don't know at this point, and there they
Speaker 2: weren't giving us too much information on that. But but
Speaker 2: still you would think that. But those would be kind
Speaker 2: of the options, whether it's you know, WISH or WTHR
Speaker 2: or or or one of those options. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think of all the other call numbers in my head
Speaker 2: that I'm not remembering right now, but any of those
Speaker 2: sort of local broadcast affiliate networks would be the ones
Speaker 2: that they would be targeting potential partners there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Dustin to pierrack of the Star, the
Speaker 1: Zone and the Pacers are together for your streaming Pacer
Speaker 1: season coverage. Here fifty nine ninety nine for the early bird.
Speaker 1: We'll get back to that price in just a second.
Speaker 1: Is the whole full court or in season package for
Speaker 1: the NBA is that's still intact? Is that still an
Speaker 1: option for Pacer fans out That's what I'm going with
Speaker 1: as a part of Direct for a number of years.
Speaker 2: Right, It's I mean it's an in the market, out
Speaker 2: of market thing. I mean, I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: going to be Direct different for Direct TV or anything
Speaker 2: on those lines. You know, this is for basically it's
Speaker 2: it's for sort of in market subscribers. So like if
Speaker 2: you're out of market, you know, and you're getting League passed,
Speaker 2: you're still going to get the patients the same way.
Speaker 2: It'll be part of your League Pass subscription as I
Speaker 2: as I understand that that will still operate the same way.
Speaker 2: And I don't know where kind of all the market
Speaker 2: lines are specifically in terms of where you get League
Speaker 2: Pass versus where you get the zone. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think that the zone listed like a long list of
Speaker 2: states including I think Missouri and Iowa that were considered
Speaker 2: in market. So I don't know if that takes you.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem that it would make sense that if you're
Speaker 2: in Iowa you wouldn't be able to watch a Pacers
Speaker 2: game as part of your League Pass subscription. That doesn't
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense. I mean that the lines
Speaker 2: don't seem to go that far for other things. It's
Speaker 2: far similar packages are concerned, so I would be surprised.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how it will work, particularly
Speaker 2: in this market. I mean I think that like, you know,
Speaker 2: I get MLB TV. I know, like Red's games are
Speaker 2: blacked out on MLB TV, I have to watch on TV,
Speaker 2: and you know, Cubs games, White Sox games the same way.
Speaker 2: So I think it would probably be similar with the
Speaker 2: Pacers and maybe the Bulls, but I'm not totally sure
Speaker 2: about that how that's going to shake out.
Speaker 1: Uh dusted to Piroc right there, the Zone and the
Speaker 1: Pacers for the foreseeable future. Do we know what type
Speaker 1: of negotiation went into getting down whittling down this price tag?
Speaker 1: And then how does that compare two other NBA squads
Speaker 1: that also are utilizing the Zone for their content provider.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. We're still figuring out there. This
Speaker 2: is like I think the second in what's going to
Speaker 2: be a the Zone rollout. I mean, out of these
Speaker 2: thirteen teams that were on, I guess main Street Sports,
Speaker 2: you know, among the group that we're being represented or
Speaker 2: partnering with Main Street Sports, the Timberwolves or I think
Speaker 2: the first ones that came down and I didn't look
Speaker 2: at their pricing. I had to do that. But I
Speaker 2: think one thing that they said, we we got a
Speaker 2: briefing with Mel Reins and Joey Graziano on Wednesday that
Speaker 2: was embargoed UH to get a better sense of how
Speaker 2: this was going to shake out, and they were very
Speaker 2: adamant about saying that they they tried to push for
Speaker 2: the best pricing that they could do given this circumstance. Again,
Speaker 2: you know, the Zone is only a streaming service, so
Speaker 2: they're not going to go get a channel.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And they're not going to be able to sort of
Speaker 2: make up for this with you know, rights fees or
Speaker 2: whatever from TV. You know, this is going to help.
Speaker 2: This is how they operate. But they tried to push,
Speaker 2: as they explained it, to get the best deal that
Speaker 2: they could uh for fans that way, I think because
Speaker 2: they they know that there's going to be some level
Speaker 2: of backlash to even having to pay anything more for
Speaker 2: this at all, So they tried to whittle that down
Speaker 2: as much as they could. And and and again I
Speaker 2: think fans that have been getting stuff through streaming see
Speaker 2: it as a pretty good price.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And so they were they really pushed on that. You know,
Speaker 2: one thing Mel made a point of saying is that
Speaker 2: de Zone was the only potential partner. And they said
Speaker 2: they talked to maybe a dozen, but de Zone was
Speaker 2: the only one that came into market. And and you know,
Speaker 2: they basically like really made a push. And I think
Speaker 2: the Zone is making a push for almost all of
Speaker 2: these properties. And you know, they they came in town.
Speaker 2: You know, basically they met there trying to get an
Speaker 2: understanding of how the market works. They're not trying to
Speaker 2: do this just from a distance. And so that was
Speaker 2: one of the things that they got across, basically, was
Speaker 2: that this has to be you know, accessible, you know,
Speaker 2: and and you know, relatively inexpensive, you know, for fans
Speaker 2: as much as possible.
Speaker 1: So can I share this with my mom in southwestern
Speaker 1: Indiana the dream if I get it?
Speaker 3: Can I do that? That's really weird for me saying
Speaker 3: that my apology.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I I I'm not totally sure how
Speaker 2: it shakes out. I mean, because I think you can
Speaker 2: get it on a lot of addresses. I think somebody
Speaker 2: mentioned this to me that I and I hadn't seen this,
Speaker 2: that it's I think it's two. It's like it's eighty
Speaker 2: for two devices or eighty for two IP addresses, So
Speaker 2: you'd be forty each in that case. So, but you
Speaker 2: couldn't just give your sixty dollars subscription away, I guess. Uh.
Speaker 2: And that's so I'm a little bit foggy on those
Speaker 2: details in terms of Okay, well, what if you do
Speaker 2: it this way, what if you do it that way?
Speaker 2: What if you have this into that you know. I
Speaker 2: was on the impression coming out of there that it
Speaker 2: was okay, if you're subscribing to this thing, you know
Speaker 2: it's it's available. I mean, I know, I get a
Speaker 2: Direct TV subscription and that's available from my laptop, my phone,
Speaker 2: and my TV, and I don't have to have three
Speaker 2: different numbers for that, and maybe in this one you do.
Speaker 2: I'm not totally sure.
Speaker 5: John can't heart Yeah, John, I think John, you cut
Speaker 5: out there, Dustin. One of the questions that I had
Speaker 5: was how does and you brought it up earlier with
Speaker 5: the Bally deal, how does it compare to those deals?
Speaker 5: Is it more expensive? I maybe maybe you'd have to
Speaker 5: look back at the numbers, but like, do you think
Speaker 5: this is a better deal than what they've had in
Speaker 5: the past for fans?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I interestingly enough, I mean I hadn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't have that number off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: And everybody that's been telling me about basically their experience
Speaker 2: has said, you know that it is cheaper. And I
Speaker 2: can't remember what Bally had, I Camember, what Vandal had.
Speaker 2: I mean, so if it's less, it must have been
Speaker 2: more than sixty and it might have been eighty or
Speaker 2: ninety somewhere in that range. And so you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure. I have to double check that certainly before
Speaker 2: I write my story to make sure I've got that right.
Speaker 2: But as I understand that it is cheaper and the
Speaker 2: difference is there. You know, Fandel and Bally at least
Speaker 2: appeared on some either cable or cable ish packages if
Speaker 2: you will. I know it was part of my direct
Speaker 2: TV streaming package at home. I don't know. I guess
Speaker 2: they had some issues with a Spectrum and I know
Speaker 2: they had issues with a Hulu and some other of
Speaker 2: those kind of streaming services being a part of those things,
Speaker 2: Dish and whatnot. So it really depended on what you
Speaker 2: got on kind of what your overall you know, cable
Speaker 2: or satellite or whatever package it was, whether it was included.
Speaker 2: But I think if you were going via the app,
Speaker 2: you know, this app is actually less expensive than that
Speaker 2: one was.
Speaker 1: Can they promise that the streaming issues that were taking
Speaker 1: place a year ago won't be taking place this season?
Speaker 2: They didn't use the turn promise, But I'd say the
Speaker 2: zone is very proud of itself, is the best way
Speaker 2: that I could put it. Uh, you know, it's obviously
Speaker 2: a very very different it's you know, it's obviously a
Speaker 2: completely different organization. So you know, they're they I think
Speaker 2: one thing that their guy. They had a representative at
Speaker 2: this briefing, Xander Berlinski, said, I think they've got two
Speaker 2: thousand somewhat engineers, I mean, and they've got a pretty
Speaker 2: big overall caseload internationally. I mean, they're they're a very
Speaker 2: big global you know, basically grow global proprietor here. Much
Speaker 2: of what they do at this point is still overseas,
Speaker 2: like much of most of their overall bandwidth is either
Speaker 2: in Europe or Asia or something along those lines. And
Speaker 2: basically they're I think they're I think La Liga in
Speaker 2: Spain and Serie A in Italy or entirely their properties
Speaker 2: basically in country.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And they also are I think one of the biggest
Speaker 2: distributors for the NFL out of the United State. And
Speaker 2: so basically they've had to stream a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't understand the technicalities as much
Speaker 2: to get okay, what would make them better at this,
Speaker 2: but they have a lot of practice, I guess, is
Speaker 2: the basic point. And they had to broadcast some very
Speaker 2: very big events in in places where if you mess
Speaker 2: this up, you're going to pay for it, you know,
Speaker 2: if you get Serie A wrong in Italy, you know,
Speaker 2: like that's gonna be a pretty big embarrassed embarrassment to
Speaker 2: you companies. Same deal with La Liga, you know, and
Speaker 2: some of these other big boxing events, and you mentioned
Speaker 2: domestic baseball in Japan was another big property they have.
Speaker 2: You know, if you were screwing this up regularly, you know,
Speaker 2: and if you were screwing up international broadcasts of NFL games,
Speaker 2: you know, there would be a price to pay. And
Speaker 2: it seems like they've done pretty well. So it seems
Speaker 2: like this is a thing that they understand, a game
Speaker 2: that they really really get. So whether that's going to
Speaker 2: show out, you know, we'll see. But you know, like
Speaker 2: presumably it seems like a company that's better equipt. Obviously,
Speaker 2: both Diamond and Main Street Sports went under pretty fast,
Speaker 2: and those were, you know, seemed to be doomed situations
Speaker 2: from the beginning. This you know, this company has been
Speaker 2: standing for ten years on its own prior to taking
Speaker 2: on on these networks, so it seems to have more
Speaker 2: practice in what it's doing.
Speaker 1: Hi, Dustin, what do you think about the whole package?
Speaker 1: Personal opinion?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you know, I I I
Speaker 2: absolutely sympathize with anybody who's looking at this and saying,
Speaker 2: oh man, I got to do something else. I mean,
Speaker 2: because I think we're all like just as people in
Speaker 2: the world right now, you're just like, man, like how
Speaker 2: many you know, how many like monthly chunks are taken
Speaker 2: out of my paycheck just in terms of subscriptions, because
Speaker 2: you know, it's like you've got this. To get this thing,
Speaker 2: you have to you have to go, you know, apply
Speaker 2: for this, and you have to go apply for that.
Speaker 2: You have to spend money here, and you have to
Speaker 2: spend money there, and it's just like, oh man, how
Speaker 2: many things do I have to sign up with just
Speaker 2: to get what I used to get? And so that
Speaker 2: is I think bothersome. But I mean like having heard
Speaker 2: you know, from Melon from and from the Pacers and
Speaker 2: from his own, it's it's also like, well, like this
Speaker 2: is where the world is going. I mean, like there's
Speaker 2: a reason why these networks went under. There's a reason
Speaker 2: why these rsns went under because there's been so much
Speaker 2: cord cutting and because just the model hasn't worked. And
Speaker 2: so when you're dealing with a situation where everybody who
Speaker 2: tries to do something goes out of business, then you've
Speaker 2: got to do something else, and you've got to ultimately
Speaker 2: embrace what's next, because you know that you're just not
Speaker 2: going to be able to raise this banner over and
Speaker 2: over again and and just try to do it the
Speaker 2: same way. You know, I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: were hopeful that it was people. I wouldn't say people
Speaker 2: were hopeful, because it's not like the Pacers indicated they
Speaker 2: were going to be able to do this, But I mean,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would like to go
Speaker 2: back to a time when you could get a local
Speaker 2: broadcast channel to just take this on. And as we mentioned,
Speaker 2: that doesn't work that way, and it's there's not necessarily
Speaker 2: something in this market. She pointed out that some of
Speaker 2: the teams have been able to do this, have been
Speaker 2: able to do that with what we're basically dead channels.
Speaker 2: They were able to take this over, and she said
Speaker 2: they weren't basically able to find something similar in the
Speaker 2: Indiana market that they could just take over and turn
Speaker 2: into a Pacers channel. You know, that just wasn't an
Speaker 2: option where it has been an option someplace else.
Speaker 3: That's a Dustin the Puak of the Star.
Speaker 1: He's on the Andy Moore Automotive Group pot line, and
Speaker 1: I promise you this my brother. The next time you're on,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about hoop and under this geeky technology,
Speaker 1: costly bull crappy. Okay, buddy, sounds good man, excellent, Dustin
Speaker 1: Puak there by the Andy Moore Automotive Group pot line.
Speaker 3: Thank you for the time. Thanks guys.
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Speaker 1: This is ninety three to five and one oh seven
Speaker 1: five the fan. Hey, welcome back to drop Light. We're
Speaker 1: in Westfield and it is over the second of two
Speaker 1: practices with the Falcons and the Colts preseason Game two
Speaker 1: is coming up on Saturday. If you're watching on the
Speaker 1: stream right now, he can wave at you and he's
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Speaker 1: Colts is with us.
Speaker 3: How you doing, man, doing well?
Speaker 4: Doing well.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you guys for you.
Speaker 1: Look like you feel I know you just had practice
Speaker 1: and you're tired as hell, but you look like you
Speaker 1: feel good. Yeah, look like you're in good nut shape.
Speaker 1: You're always in good shape like everything. Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: feeling really good.
Speaker 6: You know, being able to especially these past two practices,
Speaker 6: you know, is the most us I've got, you know,
Speaker 6: all camp and everything we've been ramping up to it,
Speaker 6: and yeah, I been feeling really good, you know, being
Speaker 6: getting back in the mix of things and uh, it's
Speaker 6: just wanted to be back out there with the guys.
Speaker 1: How dark were those times when you really didn't know
Speaker 1: you were going to be able to do this again?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I was. It was.
Speaker 6: I definitely got to a pretty dark place. But I
Speaker 6: you know, I was very lucky to have people in
Speaker 6: my core her like my wife, you know, to kind
Speaker 6: of you know, help drag me out of that whole
Speaker 6: a little bit, you know what I mean. You know,
Speaker 6: it's especially the first month after surgery, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, not being able to do anything, just pretty
Speaker 6: much be on bed rest for the for most of part.
Speaker 6: It was a struggle. It was a struggle for sure
Speaker 6: early on. But you know, having somebody like my wife
Speaker 6: and a lot of other loved ones around me, and
Speaker 6: obviously you know, having my kids around and a lot
Speaker 6: of prayer. I mean, it's it helped me get through
Speaker 6: those times and I'm just blessed to be here today.
Speaker 3: Was there a signature moment when you knew, you know
Speaker 3: what I am coming back?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know it was really you know, I had
Speaker 6: a great conversation with my wife. I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: she she just you know, she really just made me realize.
Speaker 6: She was like, you know what, you never quit anything
Speaker 6: in your entire life, and you're not going to start now.
Speaker 6: She was just like, you know, we're gonna take it
Speaker 6: one day at a time, recovery, rehab, and just take
Speaker 6: it one day at a time. And you know what,
Speaker 6: That's what I did, and and that's you know, that's
Speaker 6: what really helped me.
Speaker 1: Well, there are so many things that I think psychologically
Speaker 1: can work against you because you've done all this, you've
Speaker 1: accomplished all this, you've feel set, and you got a family,
Speaker 1: spend more.
Speaker 3: Time with them.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, man, it's that juice of competition that has
Speaker 1: to pull you back in.
Speaker 3: Sure one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: And uh, you know it's I'm very happy, you know,
Speaker 6: it's that I made it through that time because you know,
Speaker 6: being out here, being back on the field, competing, Uh
Speaker 6: is no other place like it.
Speaker 1: All Right, DeForest Buckner is with us. What do you
Speaker 1: think about the way the defense is coming together?
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean I feel like, uh, you know,
Speaker 6: we put together a solid couple of days. I mean,
Speaker 6: obviously there's things we can still clean up, you know,
Speaker 6: so a bunch of time before the season starts, but
Speaker 6: I like, well, like what I'm saying so far, you know,
Speaker 6: we just got to you know, some minor things we
Speaker 6: got to clean up in little things like that, but
Speaker 6: continue to communicate, especially with all the different faces in
Speaker 6: there in the mix, and I feel like we can
Speaker 6: be something special.
Speaker 1: So your your teammates, especially though it's coming off the edge,
Speaker 1: like lay out to lat too, what have you seen
Speaker 1: from him from your angle where you've seen improvement and
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of an upgrade in results coming
Speaker 1: off the edge and more of a consistent pass rush
Speaker 1: this season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I would say the confident, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean in his rushing abilities, you know, each
Speaker 6: and every day, he's just got to continue to, you know,
Speaker 6: build that confidence and build off of what he did
Speaker 6: last year. And I feel like he'll be able to
Speaker 6: be set up for a great year.
Speaker 1: So I know him very well because he's from here.
Speaker 1: Kayden Curry. I don't know how well you know him.
Speaker 1: Obviously a teammate. Now what have you seen from the
Speaker 1: rookie from Ohio State so far?
Speaker 6: Now, I mean he's like a Swiss army knife, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. You can put him wherever, you know,
Speaker 6: whatever you need, he'll do, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: He can be inside, outside, and uh, I mean he
Speaker 6: has that natural past fish ability, you know, if you know,
Speaker 6: he goes from one move to another. He's he's uh,
Speaker 6: he's really good at what he does, you know, with
Speaker 6: his craft and you could tell he's been he's been
Speaker 6: working on it, you know, rushing inside and outside to
Speaker 6: have that ability, and you know he's he's a technician.
Speaker 3: So it's it's been fun to watch him.
Speaker 1: So knowing you have at the back end, whether it's
Speaker 1: Mooney or Sauce Gardener or whomever. How how nice is
Speaker 1: that to know you have this incredible playmaking.
Speaker 3: Ability in the back end of this defense.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it definitely brings a lot of confidence to
Speaker 6: the front, you know what I mean. And you know,
Speaker 6: we know we you know we can get there. You know,
Speaker 6: we're having guys like Mooney and Sauce and Wally and
Speaker 6: uh and uh Cam back there, you know, all those
Speaker 6: guys back there. I mean it's it's definitely some confidence,
Speaker 6: you know, annoying you. You you have a little time
Speaker 6: to rush.
Speaker 1: It is buying them the one he's to figuring everything
Speaker 1: out for you on defense, making calls and such. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So how different is that for it? Because I know
Speaker 1: the guy that used to do that is now in
Speaker 1: Green Bay. How was that for you with him taking over?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I feel like it's been good. You know,
Speaker 6: uh Cam's been doing a really good job with taking
Speaker 6: over that spot, you know, owning it and everything, and
Speaker 6: you know, getting the calls, you know, relate to everybody,
Speaker 6: and I feel like it's been it's been good so far.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Deforce Buckner is with us.
Speaker 1: What is this rank as far as this defense in
Speaker 1: this group compared to defense as you've been a part
Speaker 1: of either here or in First Go in the past.
Speaker 6: No, Yeah, I mean it's it's up there, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. I feel like it's one of the
Speaker 6: top defenses, especially on paper, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: You know, but on paper doesn't mean anything's out there,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Improve it.
Speaker 6: So we're definitely up there, you know, on the defense
Speaker 6: that I've been on the past, and you know, we
Speaker 6: just got to go out there and prove it.
Speaker 1: Lou and Remo and uh, what he asked for you?
Speaker 1: What what is on the top of that list? What
Speaker 1: he asked for you? What is your job description on
Speaker 1: top of the list each and every week, each and
Speaker 1: every game for me personally?
Speaker 3: Yeah, dominating my one on once Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you do you allow other people to take
Speaker 1: advantage then when you do that too, So that's job
Speaker 1: number one.
Speaker 3: Now that's a tough that's a difficult gig.
Speaker 6: Yeah right, No, yeah, I mean, uh but you know
Speaker 6: it's you know, it's what's required for me, and you
Speaker 6: know I wouldn't have it any other way.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: So you had a summertime where you're rehabbing a neck
Speaker 1: and and your back. Did you do anything that was
Speaker 1: was fun at all besides just getting back to it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, took my kids to Disneyland. Well heck yeah, hit
Speaker 6: did a bunch of golfing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Do you get back to Hawaii very often?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I try to every year when when I can, you know,
Speaker 6: to take my family out there this this year during
Speaker 6: the summer, wasn't really able to, you know, get out there,
Speaker 6: just because we had so much going on, you know,
Speaker 6: with with the with the kids and everything throughout the summer.
Speaker 6: So I'm hoping to get others how much of how
Speaker 6: much of your families? Dell and pretty much all of
Speaker 6: my mom's side. That where you see yourself one of
Speaker 6: these days getting back there. Ye, visiting a lot, Yeah,
Speaker 6: visiting a lot. So yeah, but it seems like a
Speaker 6: hell of a place to grow up. Yeah, honestly, right there,
Speaker 6: all right, I gotta ask you this.
Speaker 1: The Oregon Ducks, out of the Big ten, I believe
Speaker 1: preseason rank second, had a little difficulty with the Indiana Hoosiers,
Speaker 1: the defending national champions a couple of times a year
Speaker 1: ago in Eugene and in the Peace Toll.
Speaker 3: What about the Ducks and the season coming up here?
Speaker 3: You feel it? I''m filling I feel it every year.
Speaker 3: I'm optimistic every year.
Speaker 6: So you know what I mean, I'm gonna be I
Speaker 6: got a couple of you know, I got I got
Speaker 6: a couple of guys on my side. I know here
Speaker 6: I'm not the lone Duck anymore out here. So you
Speaker 6: know what I mean, we're gonna be We're gonna be
Speaker 6: repping a.
Speaker 3: Lot of brown.
Speaker 1: When you were in Eugene, what if I would have
Speaker 1: told you that a handful of years down the road,
Speaker 1: the Indiana Hoosias are going to win the national title?
Speaker 3: What would you have told me? I would have laughed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when I was back in school. Yeah, it is, it
Speaker 3: is it.
Speaker 6: It's awesome though, to see that the way that program
Speaker 6: was turned around in every thing, and it's been fun
Speaker 6: to watch.
Speaker 1: How would have you been in the n I L
Speaker 1: Era as a collegiate player? Have you ever thought about that?
Speaker 1: Had the NIL era been a part of your era?
Speaker 1: How wo had that been for your the transfer portal?
Speaker 1: Would you have stayed or would you have bounced around?
Speaker 3: I think like that. I mean I think I would
Speaker 3: have stayed, to be honest. I mean that's just that's
Speaker 3: just that's just kind of how who I am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you get one place and you stay,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I kind of wonder that's tested in nature.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely tested for sure. I Mean I couldn't
Speaker 6: imagine having the portal and the NIL back in my day.
Speaker 1: It to me, there is something to say about legacy though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, and so many of these guys end up
Speaker 1: losing their legacy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: That's been one of our main points and talking about
Speaker 6: the whole, the whole you know deal. I mean, like,
Speaker 6: where do they go back to, you know, when they
Speaker 6: want to go back and visit you know as a lum. Yeah,
Speaker 6: what school do you go to? And if you've been
Speaker 6: to three different schools? You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 6: what school's going to claim you is? You know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, Like, that's hard.
Speaker 1: No, Well, I go back to college in the nineties
Speaker 1: and it's like stratospherically different. But do you imagine how
Speaker 1: different it is even for you going back, Not as
Speaker 1: far as I go right now, it's completely different from
Speaker 1: when you were there.
Speaker 3: But I would agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if a lot of people would
Speaker 1: be on the same page monetarily over legacy. But we
Speaker 1: see that on a high school level all the time too.
Speaker 1: It just seems like a legacy is becoming less important.
Speaker 1: But for guys like us, I think it's understandable. Right there,
Speaker 1: What can this team do this season?
Speaker 3: Divorced?
Speaker 6: I mean, I think we can honestly, we can definitely,
Speaker 6: how do I put it? Exceed expectations?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you read the expectations or look or watch what
Speaker 1: people view you as record wise this year?
Speaker 6: I mean you motivated by that or you too know?
Speaker 6: I definitely get motivated by it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: I mean I'd be lying if I said I didn't
Speaker 6: see it, you know what I'm saying. And with the
Speaker 6: guys that we have on this team and the trust
Speaker 6: that we have in one another, the belief we have
Speaker 6: in one another, I mean that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: Is there something that we don't know about this group
Speaker 1: that that you see because you've been around this game
Speaker 1: long enough as a teammate, about this group that maybe
Speaker 1: we don't see from the outside looking in.
Speaker 6: No, I just feel like everybody's hungry, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, just just hungry to get out there and win.
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean just the way we started last
Speaker 6: year obviously and the world we were on and then
Speaker 6: obviously the way it ended. I mean, you know, it
Speaker 6: is a bad taste in our mouth, and I just
Speaker 6: feel like the guys are are are hungry this year.
Speaker 1: The words of your owner carly Ers Gordon saying this
Speaker 1: is a a must have, must win type of season
Speaker 1: that resonate to you as well.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hungry is a good way to put it though,
Speaker 1: because it has been a while. Hey, congratulations on be
Speaker 1: it back, getting back from that dark spot. One of
Speaker 1: the bright spots always right here is this guy. Go
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Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner of the Colts joining us here live drop lit.
Speaker 3: Thanks man, Thank you, stay healthy. Pal. We appreciate you.
Speaker 1: That is DeForest Buckner. Thank you very much for joining
Speaker 1: me and uh we'll see you again soon.
Speaker 4: Pal.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: The Forest Buckner right there. Mike Chappell's gonna join us.
Speaker 1: You want to go early today, do you.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. Let's take a break. We'll get
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Speaker 1: And we have a lot of people split right down
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Speaker 1: any room to really gripe because I will have to
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Speaker 3: People are gonna be griping. So people like me that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mentioned this, how am I going to
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Speaker 4: Hey real quickly a shout out to Steve Girardi.
Speaker 3: Yes, he set me up for before the flood too.
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Speaker 3: You're a winner. How is the kicking battle going to
Speaker 3: this point with this team?
Speaker 4: Well, right now, statistically, groupies, you know, got a huge lead.
Speaker 4: It was like ninety sixty nine percent over Spencer Trader,
Speaker 4: and then Trader makes those two monster kicks in the
Speaker 4: opener to tie to tie it. So I don't know
Speaker 4: they're going to get rid of a good kicker. I
Speaker 4: don't I sort of have an idea what they might do,
Speaker 4: but uh again, you've got it's funny. You've got a
Speaker 4: guy who holds the official franchise record with a sixty
Speaker 4: yard field goal at Seattle, and then you got a
Speaker 4: guy that kicked a sixty one yarder unofficially in preseason.
Speaker 4: So and the whole thing with Trader. He's coming back
Speaker 4: from too, you know, two major ligament damage in his
Speaker 4: kicking knee, so that that sort of set him back
Speaker 4: a little bit obviously in the kicking competition. But he
Speaker 4: was as good as it got before he got injured.
Speaker 1: How in the world you look at uh Grouppie over there,
Speaker 1: How does he get all that energy behind that football
Speaker 1: kicking at it?
Speaker 4: He looked and we see him in the locker room.
Speaker 3: Looks like he needs to go to class.
Speaker 4: It looks like he said he's coming into see to
Speaker 4: get everybody's you know, cafeteria orders. He's not a bit
Speaker 4: he looks he's not even big in shoulder pads, but
Speaker 4: he's got it's that golf leverage, yeah thing. And I'll
Speaker 4: tell you when that that sixty yarder he kicked and
Speaker 4: it should have won the game for him, yeah, in
Speaker 4: the last minute, and it didn't. So again, it's really
Speaker 4: been fun to see Trader again. He's had a lot
Speaker 4: of Missus encamping and for the most part they've all
Speaker 4: been just left and whether that's something still from the
Speaker 4: from the rehab or whatever. But again, I won't be
Speaker 4: shocked at the keep Spencer Trader. I know they like him,
Speaker 4: but group he's gonna finish camp with the numbers, if
Speaker 4: that matters to anybody.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Keenan Allen a little bit earlier, signed about
Speaker 1: forty eight hours ago, made official, and the impact you expect.
Speaker 1: He's been a guy that's put up good numbers. Whoever
Speaker 1: he has been most of the time with the Charges,
Speaker 1: but a year with the Bears. He did that with
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams as well. What's your expectation for results from
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, of which this offense needs and needs dramatically.
Speaker 4: I was thinking that if you had an over under
Speaker 4: of catches at sixty just because of the people around him.
Speaker 4: But I've thought he'd give you sixty catches falling out
Speaker 4: of bed, because that's what he does. I have never
Speaker 4: ever considered and this isn't meant as a criticism, I
Speaker 4: have never considered Keenan Allen Hall of Fame level. He
Speaker 4: needs like forty eight catches to be number five all time.
Speaker 4: He'll surpassed Marvin Harrison and catches now, not the yards.
Speaker 4: So I think what he does, and we'll see we
Speaker 4: were talking here all right about it a little bit
Speaker 4: tonight is the I think the player who will be
Speaker 4: most impacted by Keenan Allen is Josh Downs, because all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, this receiver group is back where it was.
Speaker 4: You've exchanged Michael Pittman traded to Pittsburgh with Keenan Allen,
Speaker 4: you know, an older version of pitt So I just,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you know, well, with pitt gone,
Speaker 4: Pierce is gonna get more, and Downs is gonna get more.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, you're you're you're adding a guy
Speaker 4: that's gonna get barring injury, eighty ninety targets and there's
Speaker 4: only so many plays in a season, and let's say
Speaker 4: eleven hundred snaps, but JT is gonna get three twenty
Speaker 4: because they're gonna run the ball. So I think it's
Speaker 4: gonna be they're gonna test Josh Downs's patients again, because
Speaker 4: that's kind of the function of this offense now, which
Speaker 4: is which is a really good thing for the team.
Speaker 4: And I just want to see how they You get
Speaker 4: your best players under field, and you maximize your best players.
Speaker 4: This is the old Tom Moore philosophy. So it's really
Speaker 4: gonna be up to Shane and Jim Bob to find snaps,
Speaker 4: define targets and if they do, great, But somebody is
Speaker 4: gonna be getting less than what they thought like four
Speaker 4: days ago.
Speaker 1: So are you sure that we're going to see Alec
Speaker 1: Pierce in week one? Absolutely? Positively?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 4: Well no, but but ninety percent sure. I think again,
Speaker 4: what we don't see. I think he's working his butt
Speaker 4: off on the side behind, you know, before practice. I
Speaker 4: think he's really doing stuff, but he needs to be practicing,
Speaker 4: uh within a week, I mean off of pupp and
Speaker 4: practicing when they get back to town or get back
Speaker 4: to the complex. And I think if he's got three
Speaker 4: weeks to be back back, you know, to be back
Speaker 4: with the team. He'll be fine, but he's uh. It's
Speaker 4: the thing people need to remember. He hardly ever came
Speaker 4: out the field last year. He was like ninety snaps
Speaker 4: of game. You know, he and Pitt. We're not going
Speaker 4: to see that. But I am pretty sure everybody that
Speaker 4: I believe tells me. And we talked to Ed Dodds
Speaker 4: the other day. He said, I'm not worried about Alec Pearce. Again,
Speaker 4: I understand we're you're coming from it, and you've got
Speaker 4: more than enough evidence to say, well you have what
Speaker 4: about back here? But we are past the timeline that
Speaker 4: they gave us. I'd have to go back and check
Speaker 4: my notes, but I thought it was first it was
Speaker 4: a clean up surgery, but it was more than that.
Speaker 4: It was at left heel and the ankle, and it
Speaker 4: was three to four months is and we're past that time,
Speaker 4: which is one reason teams don't like to give to
Speaker 4: give time frames. When you missed it, well, hey, I
Speaker 4: thought you said, but yeah, yeah, So I think if
Speaker 4: he's back and has three good weeks, two really good
Speaker 4: weeks the practice, he'll be okay. But that's why And
Speaker 4: again people need to realize they didn't sign Keenan Allen
Speaker 4: because of Alec Pierce's situation. They were going to do
Speaker 4: this anyway because they needed to.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'll get much more concerned if at the
Speaker 4: end of next week he's still on pupp which means
Speaker 4: he cannot actors with the team. The longer it goes,
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, you're intena really start tingling.
Speaker 4: Mine are tingling a little bit, but not where they
Speaker 4: they're hurting my ears.
Speaker 3: So what does he need to do?
Speaker 1: He used to be taking the top off, going down
Speaker 1: the field and stretching the field.
Speaker 3: But we know this. You get a raised at that position,
Speaker 3: you're going to have to be asked to do a
Speaker 3: lot more.
Speaker 1: What do we start in what you ask Alec Pearce
Speaker 1: to do and be production wise for this team this season.
Speaker 4: I never believe that he was going to get that
Speaker 4: many more. Yes, more targets, of course, but you can't
Speaker 4: increase the volume and lose the impact. Now, he's not
Speaker 4: going to average twenty yards of catch. It just it
Speaker 4: won't happen. But he still needs to average sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 4: But when with him being more involved underneath it's gonna
Speaker 4: make receiver DB's play up a little tighter, which if
Speaker 4: he's successful nderneath, then it frees him up over the top.
Speaker 4: All So, if I'm a dB, I'll tell peer's hey,
Speaker 4: if you want twelve yards, go ahead. You're not going
Speaker 4: to beat me deep. But him expanding his route tree
Speaker 4: is going to open up the deep, especially with everybody
Speaker 4: else doing what they do with Tyler Warren and Josh
Speaker 4: Downs and all of that. But I think anyone who
Speaker 4: thought he was gonna all of a sudden get one
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty targets was wrong. But he's going to
Speaker 4: be increase. But they can't lose the chunk plays because
Speaker 4: that's part of the reason he's getting that money, not value,
Speaker 4: but what he brings to the team.
Speaker 1: Keithan Allen was a guy that they signed, obviously, and
Speaker 1: it took a lot longer than what we thought. But
Speaker 1: he had said when he was introduced to the media
Speaker 1: here that it was his decision to come here.
Speaker 3: Do you think that?
Speaker 1: And we saw that the Texans were compromised with an
Speaker 1: injury yesterday as well, and the.
Speaker 3: Wide receiving corps.
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, would he have been someplace else playing
Speaker 1: football this year, had it not been the Colts that
Speaker 1: ask him and he made that decision to play here?
Speaker 4: What he's still yes, he'd played somewhere else, but the
Speaker 4: fact that the culture answered, and let's let's not underplay
Speaker 4: Shane Stikeen's influence. They were together for seven years in
Speaker 4: San Diego slash Los Angeles, and except for the one
Speaker 4: year I think when Allen was hurt, he was he
Speaker 4: was one hundred and twenty targets and one hundred catches
Speaker 4: and eleven hundred yards. So there's something there. There is,
Speaker 4: you know, he calls Shane syke In a genius and
Speaker 4: and and I can't remember the last time Shane Syken
Speaker 4: talked about a player the way he did Keenan Allen,
Speaker 4: maybe Daniel Jones he has So this was always going
Speaker 4: to be a matter of when not if. I don't
Speaker 4: think that Houston or somebody could have could have swept
Speaker 4: in and changed things. It's funny Shane Stacken mentioned how
Speaker 4: and even so did keenanw How they talk all the
Speaker 4: time every week? I don't know, but you know, I'm
Speaker 4: constantly and I asked Shane Stike and when did your
Speaker 4: talks go from Hey, how you doing to Hey, when
Speaker 4: are you coming to Indy?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: You know it can't really legally, it couldn't happen until
Speaker 4: mid March when his contract expired. But they've been talking.
Speaker 4: There was dialogue and keithan all even said, you know,
Speaker 4: we had talks without my agent. So this was going
Speaker 4: to happen. This is not going to be signing Andre Johnson,
Speaker 4: who was so done when he came here. This is
Speaker 4: a guy that still can play. Uh, and he'll he'll
Speaker 4: give him. It's a it's a one year thing and
Speaker 4: that's and then they'll worry about twenty twenty seven next year.
Speaker 4: But this was going to happen. And when he walked
Speaker 4: in the media yesterday, he's he looks a little bigger
Speaker 4: than six two now he's not Michael Pittman. Well, he's
Speaker 4: a good sized guy. He got work with the ones today.
Speaker 4: I think Shane's toady, like twelve or fourteen snaps, so
Speaker 4: he will be Now. Now, you would have won the
Speaker 4: bet if you said who practices first with the Colts,
Speaker 4: keenan Allen or Aley Pierce. So you know that's again
Speaker 4: the Pierce thing is a problem until it's not. But
Speaker 4: I feel a ton better now with this offense with
Speaker 4: Keenan Allen than without him.
Speaker 1: I said my chapel of CBS four and Fox fifty nine.
Speaker 1: You'd mentioned the running game is not up to where
Speaker 1: it needs to be yet. Obviously you believe in Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 1: so it will be. But what comes next? And it
Speaker 1: looks like it's a rookie that comes next as of
Speaker 1: right now. And I don't know if we got any
Speaker 1: update on DJ Giddens. He went practiced a little bit today,
Speaker 1: but he went out individually yesterday, didn't perform in the
Speaker 1: team orientation.
Speaker 3: Was it kind of the same scenario today.
Speaker 4: I didn't know if he was out on the field
Speaker 4: with the twos or threes, but he was out there
Speaker 4: running tests on the hamstring. So I think he's okay.
Speaker 4: But every day he misses it pushes him further down
Speaker 4: SETH mcgallen's had a really good camp. It's funny how
Speaker 4: whenever I see players anymore, I when I see the number,
Speaker 4: I think that was who in the last twenty I
Speaker 4: remember was Jordan Wilkins, who was a pretty good running back.
Speaker 4: And if that kind of guy you's your number two,
Speaker 4: you're in pretty good shape. But what you need from
Speaker 4: a two barring injury is come in and give Taylor
Speaker 4: a series off to where in the fourth quarter he's
Speaker 4: really healthy. And right now you think it's gonna be McAllen,
Speaker 4: but you don't know. But you've got to find somebody
Speaker 4: that you trust when Taylor comes out. Yes, there's gonna
Speaker 4: be a drop off, it just can't be where he's
Speaker 4: a non factor. And so far, so far, you like
Speaker 4: what you've seen.
Speaker 1: We saw Matt Gonzalvez out here a moment ago too.
Speaker 1: How's the offensive line?
Speaker 4: Look?
Speaker 1: We know all about how solid the group is as
Speaker 1: the starters, but there seems to be a lot of
Speaker 1: unknown after that.
Speaker 4: I'm not crazy about the backups. I think they can
Speaker 4: get by a guard, whether it's Dalton Tucker or Josh
Speaker 4: Sills or Farmer, he'll probably the top guard backup. I
Speaker 4: don't worry about the starting five, but I worried that
Speaker 4: the starting five rarely rarely starts every game with the
Speaker 4: last time here was it in twenty eighteen or nineteen?
Speaker 4: And who's your who's your backup swing tackle? All right?
Speaker 4: I would argue that right now Mowaly Cox is your
Speaker 4: third tackle. Uh, so they've got they've got to solve
Speaker 4: that backup center and also shout out the ball stake.
Speaker 4: Danny Penner with a torn patella. Gosh darned, I hate that.
Speaker 4: And he was the guy they were gonna miss because
Speaker 4: he could play the three spots inside out that Quentin
Speaker 4: never comes off, so they need to get and again
Speaker 4: today the backup center, whether it was Morrissey or whether
Speaker 4: it was Tucker, the quarterback doesn't know where the ball
Speaker 4: is going to be in shotgun, So how do you
Speaker 4: play quarterback when you're not even sure you're going to
Speaker 4: get the ball. That's a can you've got had. You
Speaker 4: normally like to have eight or nine guys that you know.
Speaker 4: If this guy has to play, we're okay, And right
Speaker 4: now they don't have that.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Shavarius Ward and the red flags going up
Speaker 1: with the back situation. Let's start right there, and this
Speaker 1: thing doesn't work without the dudes in that secondary conclusion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with him, this will be the best secondary they've had.
Speaker 4: I'm including the safeties because the safeties are deep without him,
Speaker 4: then everybody moves up a run. Then probably justin Wally
Speaker 4: instead of being your nickel, maybe he goes outside. He
Speaker 4: had a great pick six yesterday, and they thought he
Speaker 4: was gonna start outside last year, so that would work.
Speaker 4: But then you're gonna put Cam Taylor Britt either inside
Speaker 4: or outside, and he's gonna miss the first game when
Speaker 4: you lose again. This is doctor rich von Turry. All
Speaker 4: the time football the NFL comes down to how good
Speaker 4: are your top ten or twelve guys as opposed to
Speaker 4: the other team's top ten or twelve guys. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: when you take a Mooney Ward out of there, it
Speaker 4: it just weakens you. It just it for It's like
Speaker 4: again not to go about to Keenan Allen, but when
Speaker 4: you bring him in, all of a sudden, the guys,
Speaker 4: the guys who are like fours, Ashton, Doolan and Treadwell,
Speaker 4: they were going to be threes. But now Keenan Allen
Speaker 4: lets those guys go back to really be what they are.
Speaker 4: And that was Mooney Ward. If he's out for any
Speaker 4: length of time, which we'll see, it moves everybody up,
Speaker 4: and it jockeys around other guys to where instead of
Speaker 4: being a backup or the fourth corner, than he's your
Speaker 4: third corner. And it just MUCKs things up.
Speaker 3: Mike Chappel of CBS four and Fox fifty nine with us.
Speaker 3: How concerned are you about the ward situation right now?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Probably more so than I am Pierce. So you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know where you put him. Whether Pierce is
Speaker 4: a five and when he's a seven. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: When you're not practicing, there's a concern. When you're one
Speaker 4: of the top players and you're not practicing, it's concerned.
Speaker 4: When it's a back, it's a real concern. That's why
Speaker 4: I'm so impressed by Buck. You had him on. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've had that my mind's lower back, and I'm still
Speaker 4: not over it. The fact that he came out here
Speaker 4: after herniated disk in his upper neck and play a
Speaker 4: man's game is amazing.
Speaker 1: I I asked him this because I was curious about
Speaker 1: the answer. When you've accomplished so much in all levels,
Speaker 1: you have a family, you like to be around, right,
Speaker 1: you want to do a lot of things, and you
Speaker 1: want to try to maintain a.
Speaker 3: Level of post career health. I didn't mention making all
Speaker 3: the money, but that stands to reason. He's made all
Speaker 3: the money. Well, he's made all the money.
Speaker 1: How difficult that is to come back when you have
Speaker 1: an injury of that nature. And it comes down to,
Speaker 1: as he explained it, that you of the challenge of
Speaker 1: wanting to compete.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was very upfront with us, whether it
Speaker 4: was in June or whatever. Maybe maybe it was in January,
Speaker 4: he said. He said he had some dark moments when
Speaker 4: you're thinking about that, because you're thinking about, you know,
Speaker 4: you played this game for twelve fourteen years. If you're
Speaker 4: extremely lucky, but then you then you get the rest
Speaker 4: of your life.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 4: After he had that surgery, he couldn't even lift his
Speaker 4: kids for several weeks. So, but that tells you how
Speaker 4: these guys are wired. It does. And he whenever I've
Speaker 4: mentioned this before, and I mean it, whenever you hear
Speaker 4: Carl Orsay, Gordon or Chris Padder talk about horseshoe guys,
Speaker 4: that that's what they're talking about. They're talking about that
Speaker 4: kind of a guy. I still would like to know
Speaker 4: in one of his private moments, why he's still here.
Speaker 4: Why didn't he try to jump ship and go somewhere
Speaker 4: he's lost, He's lost, like I guess a ten and
Speaker 4: focused nationally because he's played in a market that hasn't
Speaker 4: been very successful. He goes somewhere else, and people follow
Speaker 4: over themselves because he's still an elite player. But I
Speaker 4: like Buck. It's his last year here under contract. If
Speaker 4: he goes back and play as well, maybe resigning again.
Speaker 3: One of the things we.
Speaker 1: Talked about was how college athletics is now, and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, it's so dramatically different than when you were
Speaker 1: at Oregon. I said, if nil money, would that supersede
Speaker 1: in this case, legacy at Oregon? And he mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I would choose legacy at Oregon over making
Speaker 1: money and bouncing around in all places in college athletic.
Speaker 4: That's what I say. It's hockey, but you know, a
Speaker 4: horseshoe guy, that's what you want. You know again, could
Speaker 4: he have made more money elsewhere? Maybe? I don't know
Speaker 4: if he could have made more money elsewhere here because
Speaker 4: they've made him pretty good, but he could have chased more,
Speaker 4: you know, all pros and all that kind and maybe
Speaker 4: a super Bowl elsewhere. But I think some guys, and
Speaker 4: there's not a lot of them that they it means
Speaker 4: something to know I'm going to finish it here. I mean,
Speaker 4: we've been building something that's taken longer that they wanted.
Speaker 4: But he wants to build something here. He wants to
Speaker 4: be part of. If they get over the hump this year,
Speaker 4: he wants to be part of that. And it's funny
Speaker 4: now when they have the draft, the first check round pick.
Speaker 4: He's played three places. It's hard to keep track of
Speaker 4: these guys.
Speaker 3: You know what you have in him when he's healthy.
Speaker 1: We have seen and know what we have in the
Speaker 1: past at Sina Grove at Ohio State, and I guess
Speaker 1: we've seen it so far with Cayden Curry. What's been
Speaker 1: your impression on the rookie from Sina Grove from what
Speaker 1: you witnessed so far.
Speaker 4: I hope they find a place for him by the
Speaker 4: active roster as opposed to the practice squad. The George
Speaker 4: Gumps guy, they like him as well. And I think
Speaker 4: if you put either pass rusher on your practice squad,
Speaker 4: you're probably gonna lose him, probably uh. And it'll be
Speaker 4: some special teams they'll be They'll be like Robert Mathis
Speaker 4: as a rookie and trying having to make your mark
Speaker 4: on special teams and then you earn reps, but it's
Speaker 4: you're really you really hate to get rid of a
Speaker 4: potential pass rusher because they're just hard to find. It's
Speaker 4: gonna be the it's gonna be dependent on how the
Speaker 4: position breaks down. One thing that's gonna help him is
Speaker 4: I guess they keep four linebackers. If I gave you
Speaker 4: one hundred dollars for every time they've got three linebackers
Speaker 4: on the field, you might have one hundred dollars, right right,
Speaker 4: So so, but but but again, I like, you see
Speaker 4: the potential and what he's done when when he was
Speaker 4: out there in the fourth, third, and fourth quarter against
Speaker 4: guys that it was on the level on the depth chart.
Speaker 4: But he's not dominating. But but but he's being successful
Speaker 4: against them. That's what you want. If you're gonna play
Speaker 4: against those guys your own level, then be the guy
Speaker 4: that people notice.
Speaker 3: Can't see anything I guess dramatic in practice. But is
Speaker 3: it just me?
Speaker 1: Or I have we not heard out to Latsu's name
Speaker 1: at all? Oh, he's had a good camp. Is that
Speaker 1: why we haven't heard his name at all?
Speaker 4: Yeah? This is one of those that when you're watching
Speaker 4: the seven on seven, eleven on eleven on eleven, you
Speaker 4: know we got Daniel Jones eleven of thirteen and in
Speaker 4: the defenses with coaches just think, well, you know LATCHI
Speaker 4: would have had a sack here, would have had a
Speaker 4: sack here. I think we talked to Louis and Rumo
Speaker 4: next week and I want to ask him through their
Speaker 4: tapes had they charged how many sacks Lots who would
Speaker 4: have had At this point, he's had a good camp.
Speaker 4: He's got it's you know so what. He had a
Speaker 4: good camp last year. He's got to do it in
Speaker 4: the season. They've put a ton of pressure on him
Speaker 4: to be the guy. There's no right now, there's no sidekick,
Speaker 4: there's no there's no MATHISTAFREENI not that I'm saying Lots
Speaker 4: is freeie, but right now he's the guy, and that
Speaker 4: that that makes things tougher on him because you can
Speaker 4: slide your protection to him. But uh, I think he's
Speaker 4: had a very good camp. It's very hard when you're
Speaker 4: at all not allowed to smack quarterbacks to pull up
Speaker 4: and say, well, I got him right. I think he's
Speaker 4: I don't worry about him until the season starts to
Speaker 4: see that these near misses turn into hits.
Speaker 1: So Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox fifty nine,
Speaker 1: he is right here with us. Anybody surprisingly on the
Speaker 1: cut line here No, what's.
Speaker 4: Going to be interesting is Keenan Allen was always worn
Speaker 4: number thirteen. Yeah, now he's wearing ten, which I had
Speaker 4: flashbacks to ad Mitchell. But we asked him about approaching
Speaker 4: tread well and he said, he said if he's a veteran,
Speaker 4: and I didn't want to create any waves. So we'll
Speaker 4: see if thirteen is available on cut day or not.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but no, not really, I.
Speaker 3: Did he say it that way. We'll see if thirteen
Speaker 3: is available on cut No. I said, oh, you're saying no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I thought he said. I thought you were saying, like
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 4: Please, folks. That was me.
Speaker 3: That was that was me.
Speaker 4: That wasn't Keenan Allen saying yeah, I'll wait a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks to get out. Okay, but but no one
Speaker 4: really Jalen Jones hasn't really done a lot. Remember he
Speaker 4: started was at thirty four to thirty seven games, and
Speaker 4: last year he hardly got on the field. And whenever
Speaker 4: they have the development mental period out here with the
Speaker 4: younger players where they really hit people, he's out there.
Speaker 4: So what people need to do is watch the fourth
Speaker 4: quarter and guys that are out there, they're fighting for
Speaker 4: that last couple of spots, which is not which is
Speaker 4: great for them to still be fighting, but at some point,
Speaker 4: these rosters, these coaches and the personnel guys for the
Speaker 4: most part, know who they're keeping and who they're not keeping.
Speaker 1: And they shout out to Steve Girardi by the way,
Speaker 1: because we had to get my guys right time to
Speaker 1: see the Seager tribute. Yep, Ay Connor Prairie right there,
Speaker 1: outstanding time. I appreciate all you do for the station.
Speaker 4: Pal.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox fifty nine,
Speaker 3: he is right there.