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Speaker 1: With Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: What a good afternoon. The gun Guys showed here on

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Speaker 3: and here we have a much smaller population of transgender

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Speaker 3: and they're committing a higher level of violent crime. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's true, and I'm not saying there's nothing you do

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Speaker 3: with that information. What I'm saying is you don't attribute

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Speaker 3: a dangerous characteristic, much less murderous intent to an entire

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Speaker 3: classification of people based on conduct that is not in

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Speaker 3: and of itself dangerous. Deciding you're a different gender than

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Speaker 3: what you were born as does not by definition make

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Speaker 3: you dangerous. Are some of those people clearly dangerous?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 3: What has caused that? We need to study that, we

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Speaker 3: need to know more about it. Is there something we

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Speaker 3: can do about that? There clearly might be. Stripping the

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Speaker 3: constitutional rights of the entire population of people who fall

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Speaker 3: within that classification is not the way to approach it.

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Speaker 3: That's the way liberals think. That's the way people who

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Speaker 3: don't respect constitutional rights and individual freedoms think. We don't

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Speaker 3: think that way. Conservatives don't think that way. Wake the

451
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Speaker 3: hell up? Where is this coming from? This is right

452
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Speaker 3: up there with conservatives and Republicans in the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: saying things like, well, if you carry a gun to

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Speaker 3: a p you deserve to get shot. Hold on, if

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Speaker 3: I want to exercise my First Amendment rights, I have

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Speaker 3: to relinquish my Second Amendment rights. Where's that written anywhere?

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Speaker 3: There's no such thing as peacefully carrying a gun to

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Speaker 3: a protest. That there most certainly is. You put it

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Speaker 3: in the wholstery, you leave it in the wholester, you

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Speaker 3: don't threaten anybody with it, and you peaceably carry your firearm,

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Speaker 3: which is your constitutional right to do. What the hell?

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Speaker 3: Where's this coming from? People who say they value and

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Speaker 3: support and defend the Constitution and the Second Amendment in particular.

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Speaker 3: That's not okay. You decide you're really a woman when

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Speaker 3: you're born a man. You're really a man when you

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Speaker 3: were born a woman, So all right, you just lost

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Speaker 3: your Second Amendment rights by definition too dangerous to own

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Speaker 3: a firearm. That's a quote. No hell no. But is

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Speaker 3: there still is there still information there that should be

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Speaker 3: taken into account? There's something we should be looking at

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Speaker 3: and studying and looking at options to address Oh Hill, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I'll get into more specifics. I'm not wanting to just

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Speaker 3: raise a problem, complain about other people's approach, and not

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Speaker 3: suggest an alternative. That's what I'll do when we come back.

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Speaker 3: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Your rights, your responsibilities, your guns. This is the Gun

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Speaker 1: Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show

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Speaker 3: on ninety three WIBC. The one thing I've often said,

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Speaker 3: and I've heard and seen written other people saying as well.

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Speaker 3: You know, after any given mass shooting, say, for instance,

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Speaker 3: one committed with a semi automatic rifle that the Left

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Speaker 3: loves to call a quote unquote assault rifle, suddenly we

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Speaker 3: need to take those rifles away from everybody else. And

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Speaker 3: something that I've reacted with to that scenario, and I've

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Speaker 3: seen other people say or heard other people's and seeing

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Speaker 3: them right as well, as you know, what the left

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Speaker 3: wants to do after any given tragedy involving a shooting

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Speaker 3: is they want to punish everyone who didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: You know, my rifle was in the safe when that

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Speaker 3: shooting occurred. Why Why does that shooting mean you want

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Speaker 3: to take my rifle away. I apply that same logic

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Speaker 3: to people who have come out and say that if

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Speaker 3: you're a transgender by definition, you're too dangerous to own

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Speaker 3: a gun. I don't believe that, but you, at the

497
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Speaker 3: same time have to accept the reality that shootings are

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Speaker 3: occurring at a disproportionate rate with people of that description

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Speaker 3: transgender people. So what should be done with that? Well,

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Speaker 3: the first thing we can do is look at the

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Speaker 3: effect of the drugs that people are taking or being prescribed,

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Speaker 3: and perhaps without knowing all, raise the possibility over prescribed

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Speaker 3: when they're going through that process, things like hormone blockers,

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Speaker 3: especially teenagers or preteens. God forbid, you know your home

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Speaker 3: are already causing you all kinds of emotional issues. Now

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Speaker 3: suddenly you're trying to manipulate that process with pharmaceuticals. The

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Speaker 3: counseling that goes into this process ought to include a dispassionate, rational,

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Speaker 3: objective evaluation of this person's propensities to be violent, the

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Speaker 3: effects of surgeries. I mean, you're going to maime a

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Speaker 3: person going to basically sexually maime a person try as

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Speaker 3: part of this transitioning process, what are the after effects

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Speaker 3: of that in terms of their view of the rest

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Speaker 3: of society, and whether that can then manifest itself with violence.

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Speaker 3: I think the answer to that has to be yes.

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Speaker 3: As a possibility, those things need to be studied to

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Speaker 3: the extent that red flag laws exist out there, and

517
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Speaker 3: they are absolutely overly broad and they are subject to

518
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Speaker 3: horrible abuse, but they exist out there. We've had one

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Speaker 3: in Indiana since two thousand and five. We were the

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Speaker 3: second state in the country to ever have one. If

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Speaker 3: someone is demonstrating conduct, whether there's something they're writing or

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Speaker 3: something they're posting, or something they're saying in school, something

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Speaker 3: they're saying to their family, then options ought to be

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Speaker 3: explored to identify those people on an individual basis, not

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Speaker 3: because they're transgender specifically, but because they're manifesting behavior that

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Speaker 3: may then result in violence. Given what we know people

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Speaker 3: say and do before they engage in those kinds of

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Speaker 3: violent acts, they're usually quote unquote on law enforcement radar, Right,

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Speaker 3: how many times you heard that, Well, let's make available

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Speaker 3: those resources to see something say something. Mentality. Should that

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Speaker 3: be more focused on transgender people in the population of

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Speaker 3: it as a whole. I think so only because of

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Speaker 3: that disproportionate level of shooting they're engaged in. Let's pay attention,

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Speaker 3: but let's don't label the whole group as dangerous and

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Speaker 3: strip them of their constitutional freedoms in the process. I

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Speaker 3: will never abide. That's it for this hour. The Gun

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Speaker 3: Guy Show will be back for our now hour number

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Speaker 3: two in just a bit. This is Guy Ralford on

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Speaker 3: The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy.

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Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom boom

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Speaker 1: Bang boo, Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back to Hour number two The Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: Show here on ninety three WIBC. Lots of ways to listen.

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Speaker 3: and in fact, we'll talk about cars and firearms security

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Speaker 3: in cars here in just a moment. But shout out

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Speaker 3: to the folks at Andy Moore GMC up in the

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Speaker 3: Fishers area. I got a Yukon Denale and it's used.

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Speaker 3: It's generally used couple of years old, but I have

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Speaker 3: kept the Cadillac. If you know about my CTSV, that's

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Speaker 3: a twenty sixteen ten years. I've put one hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy thousand miles on that thing, and being the kind

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Speaker 3: will tell you, but it's held up great. So I

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Speaker 3: held onto the Cadillac. But we'll talk about cars and

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Speaker 3: guns here in just a bit. But before we do that,

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what Steve has been on hold for

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Speaker 3: quite a while, and let's go to the phone line.

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Speaker 3: Steve has a question. Steve, Welcome to the Gun Guys Show.

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Speaker 4: Hi, thanks glad to be on your show. I've talked

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Speaker 4: to you before. I live out in Hold dunk nowhere.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but I have agreed with everything he said

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Speaker 4: on the transgender and their gun rights. But my question

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Speaker 4: is is since we're in a constitutional carry state, they

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Speaker 4: go out and they purchased handgun, they got to fill

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Speaker 4: out that application online.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're talking about for a handgun license. You're talking

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Speaker 3: about buying a gun in a store.

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Speaker 4: Oh, mine a gun in the store.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, you fill out the forty four to seventy

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Speaker 3: three form. You do that in paper, or you can

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Speaker 3: do it there on a computer in the gun store.

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Speaker 3: So yeah. And one of the questions, this may be

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Speaker 3: where you're going is have you been adjudicated to be

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Speaker 3: mentally defective?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: Now? And I'm sorry, I didn't mean to presuppose your question,

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Speaker 3: but so so keep up. Where are you going with that?

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Speaker 3: You fill out that form and and.

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Speaker 4: And ask on there if you're male or female? If

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Speaker 4: you lie about that and you get out you're looking

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Speaker 4: at Jorge.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. You do. Uh, And and the

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Speaker 3: form still says male female? Is there another category on there?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, I think it And I well,

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Speaker 3: I just did one last week. I had my stamp

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Speaker 3: come in for a new suppressor that I just picked

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Speaker 3: up like three days ago and I filled the darn

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Speaker 3: thing out. I don't think there's an other choice. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a great question. If you are a biological male

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Speaker 3: and you check female on that form, have you lied

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Speaker 3: on your forty four seventy three form, which is what

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden was convicted of, by the way, was looking

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Speaker 3: at twenty five years in jail for giving false information

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Speaker 3: as part of a gun purchase and lying on the

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Speaker 3: forty four seventy three form. Would you be guilty of

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Speaker 3: that same crime if you put female instead of male

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Speaker 3: because you're quote unquote transgender. Is that your question?

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Speaker 4: Yes, it is one other one for you, just real quick.

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Speaker 4: I need some really good air protection. What do you suggest.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm kind of a snob on ear protection.

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Speaker 3: I like good ones. I like pro Ears, pro Ears

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Speaker 3: Gold or Fabulous for the muff style. I just recently

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Speaker 3: got some Walkers that I've always thought were kind of

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Speaker 3: a step down, but they're great. They workout really well.

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Speaker 3: And gosh, there's another brand I've had for years that

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Speaker 3: is currently oh ah, gosh, I've got some of them

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Speaker 3: in the back of my car right now. But the

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Speaker 3: pro Ears are great. The Walkers are solid, but you

641
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Speaker 3: kind of have a lot of different options because you

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Speaker 3: you maybe do or don't want that active reaction where

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Speaker 3: it'll amplify your where your ear protection will amplify normal

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Speaker 3: speaking voices, for instance, or if you're hunting, will amplify

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Speaker 3: the sounds around you there in the woods or fields

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Speaker 3: or wherever you're hunting. But have a microprocessor that can

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Speaker 3: sense a large, a high volume sound and block it.

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Speaker 3: And I have some in ear protectors that are fabulous

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Speaker 3: that I got from Pro Ears, and I've since gotten

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00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: a couple of other brands as well that I really like.

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00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: And so I like that. I like that that active

652
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 3: hearing protection that can differentiate between loud noises like a

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00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: gunshot and UH and voices around me. I'm I'm, I'm.

654
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: I'm dramatically becoming rapidly becoming deaf in my old age,

655
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 3: and my wife will tell you I have a really

656
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 3: hard time here and a lot of times I'm completely

657
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: deaf in my left ear. I was born that way.

658
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: So trying to protect my right ear in two ways. One,

659
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: I absolutely have to protect it against those loud noises,

660
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: since it's the only year I've got left. But I

661
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: like the fact that it will amplify voices around me.

662
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: I'm shooting sporting plays or whatnot. I can actually carry

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Speaker 3: on conversations with my shooting buddies and and uh and

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Speaker 3: still be able to carry a conversation at the same

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00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: time protect my hearing. So that's a longer answer to

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00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: your question than, uh than what you were probably looking for.

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Speaker 3: Oh but the sword sword in S O R D

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Speaker 3: I N was the other brand. Those are the ones

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Speaker 3: I've also got right now that that do a really

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Speaker 3: nice job. I'll tell you what. It's a little early.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a break, we come back,

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Speaker 3: we'll watch let's talk a little bit about vehicles and

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Speaker 3: gun security and vehicles before we come back. This or

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Speaker 3: as we come back. This is Guy Ralford on The

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Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. So I mentioned I just

680
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: just this last week, a few days ago, I went

681
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: up to Andy Moore GMC and they're in Fisher's a

682
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 3: little north of Castleton, and bought a GMC yukon Denaley.

683
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: I love it. I had one before. In fact, I

684
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: leased one and really liked it so much. I tried

685
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: to buy it at the end of my lease and

686
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: at a different dealership, and they wouldn't negotiate with me

687
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 3: on the price at all. They said, hey, the purchase

688
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: prices stay right there in your release. And I said, well,

689
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 3: that's too high list to negotiate a little bit. And

690
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,959
Speaker 3: they said, we don't negotiate those buyouts. And I said, fine,

691
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 3: here's your truck, and I walked away. But I regretted

692
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 3: it because I love the truck, and so I went

693
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: and got another one, and like all the bells and whistles,

694
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: but one of my very first thoughts was how am

695
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: I going to keep firearms secure in this vehicle? And

696
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 3: something I put a lot of thought into. No matter

697
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 3: what I'm driving, that's true for my car and now

698
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 3: my new truck, my wife's vehicle as well, because look

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00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: a lot of people you go out on the gun

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Speaker 3: related pages, you go out on the gun related Facebook

701
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 3: pages or other internet media, and go on one of

702
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: the forums and you start talking about having a gun

703
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 3: in your vehicle or leaving a gun in your vehicle,

704
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 3: and you will immediately have several people jump down your throat,

705
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: and some of this is just typical Internet bs where

706
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 3: people are just looking for any opportunity to lecture somebody

707
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 3: else and feel superior. But they raise a good point,

708
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: which is they'll say, look your car. That the often

709
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: stated comment that you'll get from people is your car

710
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: is not a holster. Keep your gun on your person.

711
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 3: If we get out of the car, take your gun

712
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: with you. Don't leave a gun in your car. It's

713
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: too easy to get stolen. And listen, that is absolutely correct,

714
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: and I agree with those sentiments completely in the sense

715
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: that the most secure place for your gun is on

716
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 3: your person. Whether that's on your hip or you carry appendix,

717
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: or however it is you choose to carry, you have

718
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: immediate control over it. I like to carry concealed so

719
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: that it's that much less likely it's going to come

720
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: to anyone else's attention, and I like the security of

721
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: having it on my person. However, a lot of us

722
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 3: don't have the luxury of keeping a gun with us

723
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: all day every day, particularly depending on what you do

724
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: for a living. And and my main job is I'm

725
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: a lawyer and I'm a litigator. I'm in court. There

726
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: are there are there are days. A hell, I've gone

727
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 3: through three weeks in a row where I've been in

728
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: court at least three days every week. Well, they don't

729
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: let me take my gun into the courthouse. And uh

730
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 3: and listen, I have an attorney I D card. That's good.

731
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: I can just go. I can bypass security in the

732
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: Mary County and the new Justice Center. There's a little scanner.

733
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: I wave my card, the gates open, I walk through.

734
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Speaker 3: But in order to get that card, I signed an

735
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 3: agreement that said I will not carry deadly weapons into

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Speaker 3: the Justice Center. And I'm going to be true to

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00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: my word. If I sign on the dotted line that

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to take weapons in there, then I'm

739
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: not gonna make a liar out of myself, and I'm

740
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 3: going to honor that commitment. So I then have a

741
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: choice of not carrying all day on a day I'm

742
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: going to court, finding somewhere else to leave my gun, Like,

743
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: for instance, I could go to my office, leave my

744
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 3: gun in my office in Carmel, then drive all the

745
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: way down to whatever courthouse I'm going to. And I

746
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 3: had a week to hear. Just last week, we're in

747
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Speaker 3: three consecutive days I was in Wayne County, which is Richmond,

748
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 3: and I was in Decatur County, which is Greensburg, and

749
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: then I was in Wabash County, which is in Wabash.

750
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: And so you're talking about over an hour's drive or

751
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: close to it for each one of those places. So

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00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: having a gun that I take to my office, leave

753
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: my office, and then drive to the courthouse doesn't do

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00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: me a lot of good for a majority of that

755
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: time of the day. So another option is to leave

756
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 3: a gun in my vehicle. Does that mean by definition

757
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 3: I leave a gun in my vehicle completely and absolutely unsecured,

758
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: so that if someone gains entrance, gains access to the

759
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 3: interior of my car, they gain access to my gun. No, No,

760
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that, And there are certainly some options. Now, Listen,

761
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 3: I read all the time. I see cases evolving people

762
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: that leave guns visible in unlocked cars. So that's gonna

763
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 3: be your lowest level of security possible, right there, right,

764
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: leave a gun in your car, leave it visible? How

765
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: could It was a big civil case that went up

766
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: to the Indiana Court of Appeals where a guy got

767
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: sued because he left a gun sitting on the passenger

768
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: seat of his truck unlocked in clear view in a

769
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 3: public parking garage, and a teenager came by, saw the

770
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,479
Speaker 3: gun open the door which was unlocked, took the gun,

771
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: took it home, was showing it to his buddy, Hey,

772
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 3: look at this cool thing. I got accidentally discharged. The

773
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: gun killed the buddy, and the family of the now

774
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: dead teenager suffering that horrible, horrible, horrible tragedy understandably wanted

775
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 3: to hold the gun owner liable for that. Ensued him, saying,

776
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 3: but for your negligence and leaving a gun unattended in

777
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: your vehicle, visible in an unlocked vehicle in a public garage,

778
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: our son wouldn't be dead and listen. Even as a

779
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: pro to a advocate who who fights and fights vigorously

780
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 3: for Second Amendment rights every day of my existence, I

781
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: don't have much of a problem with holding somebody responsible

782
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: in that situation. However, we have an immunity statute in Indiana,

783
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 3: not self defense immunity. That's different. We have a different

784
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 3: immunity that says that if you're the victim of a

785
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: crime where someone obtains your gun illegally, you are immune

786
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: from liability if someone else is injured by your gun

787
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: in a subsequent criminal act. It applies to gun and ammunition,

788
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: and that immunity statute was the subject of that litigation

789
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: went up to the Court of a Peace. The Court

790
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: of Appeals basically said, hey, look, the legislature wrote the law.

791
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: We just apply the law. And the law says, if

792
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: you're the victim of a crime where someone obtains your

793
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 3: gun through that commission of a crime that could be theft,

794
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: could be robbery, could be criminal conversion. But if there's

795
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: a crime committed where someone obtains your gun, you have insulation,

796
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 3: you have immunity from liability. But anyway, that's the lowest

797
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: level of security is being a knucklehead like that guy

798
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 3: and leaving a gun sitting out on the passenger seat

799
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 3: of your unlocked vehicle. You can hide the gun, you

800
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: can leave it in a locked vehicle. Is that better? Yes?

801
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 3: Is it foolproof? Absolutely? Not a lot of people, a

802
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: lot of criminals out there love doing smashing grabs, and

803
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 3: they may be looking to just break a window, get

804
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 3: into your car and steal whatever valuables they can find.

805
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: They may be looking to steal your entire vehicle. And listen,

806
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: here's an interesting statistic. I just looked at this right

807
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: before the show. Do you know that overall crime is

808
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 3: down in Mary Kay, let's talk about Marion County for

809
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: here in Indianapolis, and murders are down something like twenty

810
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 3: five to thirty percent. They've been down significantly. Murders have

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00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 3: been Violent crime has been down since we passed constitutional carry,

812
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 3: I might add. But now, notwithstanding the fact that violent

813
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 3: crime is down, do you know car thefts are up?

814
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: Looking at the last year for which we have a

815
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 3: full year of data, which is twenty four versus twenty three,

816
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: I saw a report that said car thefts are up

817
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: thirty eight percent. Very significant as all violent crimes going down,

818
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: car thefts are up. A simple car theft's not considered

819
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 3: a violent crime. So somebody steals your whole car, there's

820
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 3: a gun in the car. Guess what they've got your gun.

821
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 3: But even with that scenario, are the things you can

822
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: do to make your gun more secure? Yes? You know

823
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 3: what I did the day I bought my truck, my

824
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 3: new Denale. I bought what I've had in my last

825
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: two or three pickup trucks in my Denale before that. Hi,

826
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 3: there's a company, and I don't I have no relationship

827
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 3: with them. They pay me no money. I've just spent

828
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: money with them. But there's a company called console Vault

829
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 3: dot com and they make vaults that are specifically made

830
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: for the console of your vehicle. In other words, I

831
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: put in twenty twenty three Yukon Denale and it actually

832
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 3: gave me two different options because AMPT apparently even within

833
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 3: that same model year, there were a couple different configurations

834
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 3: of the center console. There was a deep version in

835
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: a shallow version, so I had to measure and figure

836
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 3: out which one I had and then order the particular one.

837
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: So it fits like a glove into my console. It's mounted,

838
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: it's bolted into your vehicle. No one's going to pry

839
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 3: it out of there without a lot of time and

840
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: the right tools. And is a steel safe. You can

841
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 3: get a key with the kind of the big round

842
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: cylinder keys, or you can get a three or a

843
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: four digit combination. So I got that. I got it quickly,

844
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: mounted it in my truck. Today. I got it, which

845
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 3: was just yesterday. Boom got a safe in the truck.

846
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 3: There are rifles safes I also bought. I had this

847
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: in the trunk of the Cadillac and there's also larger

848
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 3: vaults that are big enough for a rifle or rifles

849
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: or my sporting clay shotgun. And I bought a safe

850
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 3: from a company called Voltech, and this is a little

851
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: more high end, a little more expensive, but it has

852
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: a fingerprint reader in it, and it has a backup

853
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: combination lock, and then it has a backup key, so

854
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 3: even if batteries go dead, and it's got a warning

855
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: system to tell you if the batteries are going down,

856
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: but it's got a key as an ultimate backup, And

857
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 3: so I can have my sporting clay shotgun or if

858
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: I want to have an ar whatever it is, And

859
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: that one was mounted in the trunk, so it's in

860
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: the trunk and it's in a safe and the safest

861
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 3: mounted of the car. Does that mean some with the

862
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 3: right tools and the right amount of time cannot get

863
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: to my firearm. No, it doesn't mean that. I'm not

864
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 3: so naive as to believe that. Does that mean in

865
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 3: a typical smash and grab where somebody's breaking a window

866
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: looking for whatever valuables they can quickly obtain out of

867
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 3: my car, whether that's gun or otherwise, Does that mean

868
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 3: that I'm going to in all likelihood thwart their ability

869
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: to get my gun. Yes, probably probably depending on their

870
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 3: tools or expectise and expertise in the amount of time

871
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 3: they have. But while I completely acknowledge that there's a

872
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 3: significant risk of having a gun stolen by keeping it

873
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: in your car, I just looked it up right before

874
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: the show. There were one hundred and twelve thousand guns

875
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: stolen nationwide out of vehicles in twenty twenty four. And

876
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: I didn't do the math to figure this out, but

877
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: in the same article it said one gun stolen out

878
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 3: of a vehicle every nine minutes IMPD. I've had this

879
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 3: discussion with IMPD off officers who say that that the

880
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: biggest source of guns being stolen, more than fifty percent

881
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 3: of guns stolen in Marion County or stolen out of vehicles,

882
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 3: And you know, the largest percentage of those are stolen

883
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 3: out of vehicles that are parked in front of residences.

884
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: They're in the driveway, they're on the curb in front

885
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 3: of your apartment complex, they're in your parking spot, they're

886
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 3: in a parking garage. And you can kind of estimate

887
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 3: the mentality here, a little bit of a thief saying,

888
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not going to go in somebody's house.

889
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: This is Indiana. We have the castle doctrine. I'm gonna

890
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 3: break in someone's house. I'm probably gonna get shot, or

891
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: at least there's a significant likelihood of that happening. I

892
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: don't want to take that risk. That car sitting in

893
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: the driveway, a car sitting on the curb in front

894
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 3: of a house, a car in the parking lot of

895
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: an apartment complex. It's late at night. I'm looking around.

896
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: I see no one around all right. Now I'm getting

897
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: a little braver. Now I think I can do this

898
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: with minimal risk. Still not going to want to take

899
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 3: a hell of a lot of time. Having a safe

900
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: mounted in your vehicle. Okay, now we're talking again. Is

901
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 3: it fool proof?

902
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 2: No?

903
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: Is it better to have that gun out of the vehicle.

904
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 3: And by the way, I don't leave guns typically overnight

905
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 3: in my vehicles. Now we're taking too much risk, But

906
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: depending on your situation. And I've talked to people I had.

907
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 3: I had a client and this was before constitutional carry.

908
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 3: He's been prosecuted for carrying a handgun without a license,

909
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: from having a gun in his vehicle, and the reason

910
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: he had his gun in his vehicle. Is that he

911
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 3: was a younger kid, just turned eighteen and applied for

912
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: his license, hadn't received it yet, and got pulled over

913
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 3: and had a gun in the car. He had a

914
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 3: gun unloaded in the case it came from. He was

915
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 3: in a two door pickup truck, beautiful seventies Chevy pickup

916
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 3: truck that he'd restored himself as a hard working kid,

917
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 3: had two different jobs plus going to school, had restored

918
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 3: this pickup truck himself. It was a two two door

919
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: pickup truck. No club seat, no bench seat in the back,

920
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 3: no four door, none of that. It was just two

921
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: doors and a bench seat in front. That's it. Nothing

922
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: behind him but a wall and a window. And he said,

923
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: you know what, I've got a couple of younger siblings.

924
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 3: I've ordered a safe to keep my gun at home.

925
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 3: The safe hasn't come in yet, so I figured the

926
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Speaker 3: safest thing to do with my gun was to keep

927
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 3: it in my car until my gun safe came in.

928
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 3: But I read the statue, and the statue says, this

929
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 3: is before a constitutional carry was passed, that you could

930
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 3: have a gun in your car without a license. If

931
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 3: the gun was what unloaded secured in a case and

932
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Speaker 3: inaccessible from the passenger compartment. So he took the gun

933
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 3: and he put it in the case. It was unloaded,

934
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 3: had no AMMO in the truck, and put it under

935
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Speaker 3: the seat of the bench seat as far away from

936
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Speaker 3: him as he could get it under the passenger seat.

937
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 3: I MPD pulls him over. And this cop must have

938
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 3: been a very young cop or was having a really

939
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 3: bad day, but an officer pulled him over. He volunteered

940
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 3: that there was a gun in his truck. By the way,

941
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 3: I told this story in the legislature. If you're listening

942
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: and you were there for the testimony on constitutional carry,

943
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: you heard this story a few times. And he said,

944
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: I put it under the seat. I put as far

945
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: away from me as I could get it. There was

946
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: no place else to put it. And the officer said, well,

947
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: I think that's still accessible. The statute says it has

948
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: to be inaccessible because it's just under the bench seat

949
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: there under the passenger seat. That doesn't fall within the exception.

950
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 3: And they prosecuted this kid had to hire a lawyer. Now,

951
00:58:53,920 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 3: what if he'd had it in a safe locked as

952
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: opposed to just under the seat, And then with that

953
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 3: same officer who said, well, it's still accessible because you

954
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: have a key to the safe. One more step away

955
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: from accessibility has to help. But I go through all

956
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 3: of that to say some people leave guns in their

957
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 3: vehicles because he hit this kid again, had, just by

958
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: way of example, had young siblings, didn't want to leave

959
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: the gun in his house with his young siblings there,

960
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 3: kept it in his car. Me I leave guns in

961
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 3: my vehicles. Yes, when I go into court, necessarily, I'm

962
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 3: not going to leave my gun at home and be

963
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 3: without a gun all day. I'm not going to leave

964
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 3: a gun at home while I drive to Hammond, where

965
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 3: I was yesterday for a hearing. Well, take my gun.

966
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 3: I can't take my gun into the courthouse. So what

967
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 3: am I going to do. I'm going to leave it

968
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 3: my vehicle. But that's why I take the next step

969
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 3: and look at what my options are for having a

970
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 3: safe some other security system that makes that gun as

971
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: secure as it can possibly be. Not was dounding effects

972
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: in my vehicle. That's my preaching on that. And by

973
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 3: the way, the more thefts of guns we have from

974
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 3: vehicles that then end up being used in crimes, the

975
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 3: more access to guns, whether it's from vehicles or in

976
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: homes that lead to accidental shootings. The more all those

977
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 3: things happen, those are all bad things, horribly and they

978
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 3: have tragic consequences. But in addition to those tragic consequences,

979
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 3: which are of course the first thing we think about,

980
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 3: the other issue we have is somebody in the legislature

981
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 3: looks at those situations and says, you know what, there

982
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 3: ought to be a law. There ought to be a

983
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 3: law about be a law that says you can't have

984
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 3: a gun in your vehicle left unattended. You can't have

985
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 3: a gun that's not stored and locked safe at home.

986
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 3: That's so called safe storage laws. If there's someone under

987
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 3: your roof who's under eighteen, every gun in a home

988
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 3: has to be in a safe otherwise you're committing a

989
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 3: crime and you go to jail. Notwithstanding how much I

990
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 3: preach safe storage, I mean, I wrote a book gun

991
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 3: gun safety. How often do you think I quote the rule?

992
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 3: This is a basic NRA rule on using in storing guns.

993
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: It says, store guns so they're not accessible to anyone

994
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 3: who's untrained and unauthorized to handle your firearms. And I

995
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 3: like that, store guns so they're they're not accessible doesn't

996
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: mean it's they're hidden, doesn't mean it's under your underwear

997
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 3: and your underwear drawer, doesn't mean it's on the top

998
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: shelf of your closet. Hey, kids find things, kids can climb.

999
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 3: Oh man, I was an expert, little bitty kid. I

1000
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 3: knew exactly where Mom hid the Christmas presence on that

1001
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 3: top shelf in the closet. I could find what I'm

1002
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 3: getting for Christmas every year for decades. I don't care

1003
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 3: how many kitchen chairs I gotta stack up, I won't

1004
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 3: find it. It's the same true of your gun. So inaccessible,

1005
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 3: it's not hidden, not up high. Inaccessible means it means

1006
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 3: locked up to an untrained and unauthorized or unauthorized I

1007
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 3: like both of those things. What if someone is both

1008
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: trained and authorized, then you're not breaking the rule. Are

1009
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 3: there people under eighteen that you may want to have

1010
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: both trained and authorized to handle your guns in your home. Yes,

1011
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 3: your kid may be a state champion in sporting plays

1012
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 3: or trap or ski. Your kid may be able to

1013
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 3: teach a class on gun safety. Should you go to

1014
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 3: jail because you don't have your gun locked up in

1015
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 3: a safe and you choose to keep it on your

1016
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 3: night stand that's available for you to defend your home

1017
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 3: and your family at night. The safe storage law doesn't

1018
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 3: distinguish those things. That's why I will fight those laws

1019
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 3: every time they come up, and they come up every

1020
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: single year. But the more bad things we have happened

1021
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 3: because we as gun owners aren't responsible by locking our

1022
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: guns up, the more someone's going to sit over there

1023
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 3: in the legislature, and more and more people who might

1024
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 3: otherwise support and defend our Second Amendment rights are going

1025
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 3: to say, m you know, maybe we need a law.

1026
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 3: And I get that. I get that from from fairly

1027
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 3: conservative people. From Republicans will call me up and say, guy, well,

1028
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 3: I mean we advocate for responsible go ownership, why would

1029
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 3: we oppose safe storage laws? And I have to go

1030
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 3: through that same drill I just went through here on

1031
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 3: the air. But the more push for that that we see,

1032
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 3: it can very much be fueled by us not being

1033
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 3: as responsible as we should be, including in our vehicles.

1034
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 3: So having a new car mounting my new safe in

1035
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 3: there over the last couple of days made me think

1036
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 3: that might be an appropriate thing to talk about here

1037
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 3: on the Gun Guy Show. We're a little past the

1038
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 3: bottom of the hour. Oh, we're way past botom of

1039
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 3: the hour. It's time to take a break. This says

1040
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: Guy Rilford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

1041
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: He's a Second Amendment attorney, he's an NRA certified firearms instructor.

1042
01:03:55,560 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: He's the Gun Guy Guy Ralford on ninety three WY.

1043
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 3: And welcome back. We are a little late here on

1044
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 3: the clock as we're discussing on the YouTube chat. But

1045
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 3: let's go to the phone lines. And I think Jim

1046
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 3: called in with a question. Jim, welcome to the Gun

1047
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 3: Guy Show.

1048
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, good afternoon. And to you question, I've been

1049
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 5: seeing a lot of advertisement on Facebook for a federal

1050
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 5: license to carry. There was supposed to it was a

1051
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 5: LAS signed by President Trump. Can you elaborate on this?

1052
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 5: And is this for real?

1053
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 3: No, it's not for real. It's a total complete scam.

1054
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 3: And and if they're wanting any money from you, don't

1055
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 3: give them any And I've seen all these same things.

1056
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 3: I tend to comment, you know, on them. Of course

1057
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 3: my comment gets deleted, but I'm saying this is a scam.

1058
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 3: Don't listen to this. They're talking about it. You know,

1059
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 3: carry in every state and apply here and all it does.

1060
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 3: You pay them some money and then uh, and they say,

1061
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 3: you know, and they even imply that the Indiana license

1062
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 3: is going away or there's some limited availability or some

1063
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 3: crap like that, and then they say, you know, just

1064
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 3: apply here, and they basically ask you all the same

1065
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 3: questions that are on the license to carry application that's

1066
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 3: at the state Police website. If you, by the way,

1067
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: if you don't have not you, Jim, but other people listening.

1068
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 3: If you don't have a license to carry in Indiana,

1069
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 3: you want to get one, just go to the Indiana

1070
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 3: State Police website, which is i N for Indiana i

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Speaker 3: N dot gov slash i SP click on Firearms Licensing,

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01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 3: go to I'm gonna fill out a new application. Boom,

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Speaker 3: there you go. But they ask you the same questions

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Speaker 3: that are on it after you've paid the money, and then,

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Speaker 3: you know, some of you answer those questions as you're

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Speaker 3: required to. On the actual website says congratulations, go over

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Speaker 3: here and fill out your application. So you just paid

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Speaker 3: the money for nothing, and uh and and and and

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Speaker 3: there's some confusion around it, to Jim, because there is

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Speaker 3: the National Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act that it's in Congress.

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Speaker 3: It's passed out a committee in the House, hasn't gotten

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Speaker 3: a vote on the floor of the House yet, which

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Speaker 3: upsets me. And there's an open question as to whether

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Speaker 3: it can get sixty votes over in the Senate. But

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Speaker 3: that bill is pending right now. It did get out

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Speaker 3: of committee in the House. It needs to get a vote,

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Speaker 3: needs to get passed. But a lot of people knowing,

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Speaker 3: and there's some like you mentioned, sometimes there's these kind

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Speaker 3: of vague allusions to that Trump is backing this or

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Speaker 3: you know, take advantage here, you know while you can,

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Speaker 3: because this is something Republicans are making happen. There's no

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Speaker 3: connection between those scam websites that want you to pay

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Speaker 3: them money and National Concealed Carry Reciprocity, And in fact,

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Speaker 3: this bill is called Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity. The reason

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Speaker 3: that constitutional is in there is it says that if

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Speaker 3: you have a license to your home state, or if

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Speaker 3: you live in a state that has constitutional carry, then

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Speaker 3: you can carry in every other state under the same situation.

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Speaker 3: In other words, even if you don't have a license

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Speaker 3: from your home state, but your home state has constitutional carry.

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Speaker 3: And there's twenty nine of those now, including Indiana, every

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Speaker 3: other state has to let you carry there because you

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Speaker 3: live in a constitutional carry state. And even if your

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Speaker 3: home state doesn't have constitutional carry, if you have a

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Speaker 3: license from there, then you can carry in every other state.

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Speaker 3: That's what the bill says. But you don't have to

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Speaker 3: go on any website and fill out any applications. Let's

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Speaker 3: say this passed out of the House and Senate got

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Speaker 3: signed into law tomorrow by President Trump. I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: it's going to happen in my lifetime, much less tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: but hypothetically, let's say that. Then you don't need to

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Speaker 3: fill out an application, you don't need to get a

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Speaker 3: piece of paper, you don't need a card to put

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Speaker 3: in your wallet. You can just legally carry in all

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Speaker 3: fifty states. If you have a license, you have to

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Speaker 3: have that card, but you already have that. So no,

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked that. I try to get the

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Speaker 3: word out that those are complete scams. So I'm really

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Speaker 3: glad you asked a question, Jim, But I comment on

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Speaker 3: those whenever I see him. But those are scam artists

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Speaker 3: trying to get your pocket, and I get the whole

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Speaker 3: things deplorable. With that, Let's go ahead and take a break.

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Speaker 3: We'll go back to wind up this edition of the

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Speaker 3: Gun Guys Show here on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back for a brief final segment here of

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Speaker 3: this week's Gun Guy Show. Read a story on bearing

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Speaker 3: arms dot com. By the way, if you listen to

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Speaker 3: the Gun Guys Show, I'm sure you would enjoy staying

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Speaker 3: attuned of subscribing to Bearing Arms. This is Cam Edwards organization,

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Speaker 3: his website that he put together. You may remember Cam

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Speaker 3: from nr A TV. I worked with him a lot,

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Speaker 3: used to do a weekly segment on a different nra

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Speaker 3: A TV show. I did a couple of segments usually

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Speaker 3: every week on Dana Lash's show Call on n r

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Speaker 3: A t V. I should say and uh, and and

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Speaker 3: and but can Cam does a great job on Second

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Speaker 3: Amendment issues. And he's not a lawyer, but you wouldn't

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Speaker 3: know that from a lot of the things he writes.

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01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 3: He does a really good job analyzing legal opinions and

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Speaker 3: new decisions that come down. But they talk about just

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Speaker 3: general news of you know, Second Amendment related issues. And

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Speaker 3: I read a story on Bearing Arms just today as

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about the show, and it's one of

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Speaker 3: those rare situations where I had to take a moment

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01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 3: and really reflect on how I felt about something, because

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Speaker 3: a lot of times on two A related issues, I

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Speaker 3: see him as pretty black and white. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: notwithstanding all the conservatives coming out saying, oh, yeah, well,

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Speaker 3: transgender people are disproportionately involved in MATS shooting, so we

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Speaker 3: had to ban all transgender people from owning guns? No,

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Speaker 3: hell no, hell no. And that's why I spent a

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Speaker 3: whole hour at the beginning of the show talking about

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Speaker 3: that issue and why I feel that way. So things

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Speaker 3: tend to be pretty clear to me and black and white,

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Speaker 3: but this is when I had to really ponder a bit.

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Speaker 3: And the story the headline is Arizona gun shop owner

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Speaker 3: faces criticism over cooperation with FBI in the Nancy Nancy

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Speaker 3: Guthrie case. So, if you've been following the Nancy Guthrie case,

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Speaker 3: she's the mom of Savannah Guthrie TV personality Nancy's missing.

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Speaker 3: There's some pretty eerie door cam video where someone whether

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Speaker 3: he's a burglar or a kidnapper, or a burglar turned

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Speaker 3: into kidnapper or murderer or what we don't know, but

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Speaker 3: she's missing. He's been missing now for quite some time.

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Speaker 3: And in the pursuit to find her, the FBI went

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Speaker 3: in and asked a gun shop owner if they had

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Speaker 3: sold a gun to any of a list of people,

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Speaker 3: and the guns to shop owner simply said, no, none

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Speaker 3: of those people. They're getting a bunch of criticism for

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Speaker 3: that that they responded to the FBI. We're at a

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Speaker 3: time we'll talk about this on social media. Should that

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Speaker 3: gunshop owner be in trouble with the gun owning community

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Speaker 3: because they answered that question. We'll talk more about that

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Speaker 3: going forward. On the Gun Guy Show. This is Guy

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Speaker 3: Relford on ninety three WIBC.