WEBVTT - Mac & Bone Show - Brentson Buckner Interview 

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<v Speaker 1>And Brinson Buckner, former D-lineman for your Carolina Panthers, among

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<v Speaker 1>other teams, joins us here on the Mac and Bone Show. Buck,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on? Buck, does it annoy you that we

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<v Speaker 1>only have asked you after losses this year? If so,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Mac's idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it really is. Really irritating.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we're going.

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<v Speaker 1>To make that good. Buck's like, Mac, I'm actually not

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<v Speaker 1>joking this time, Mac. All right, well, I apologize. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just that we want explanations, but maybe we'll find. Next

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<v Speaker 1>lost bone, note to selves, let's find like Al Wallace

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<v Speaker 1>or someone else to explain for that week.

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<v Speaker 4>You should put Mac on your podcast, Buck, every time

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<v Speaker 4>his youth soccer team loses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Mac, what the hell are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Buck.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and I think another thing is like the bears game.

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<v Speaker 1>When we talked to you after, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are firing questions that they want you asked

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<v Speaker 1>about the run defense. Like, like when you were watching

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<v Speaker 1>that game, were you feeling like, because I keep hearing

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<v Speaker 1>about the counter runs that the bucks were running. Someone's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>ask Buck about the two gap runs and all this. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>were they being schemed to where they were doing something

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<v Speaker 1>that we were not like adjusting to or ready for?

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<v Speaker 1>Were they being manhandled a little bit of both? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how would you describe it?

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<v Speaker 2>From a scheme point of view, I thought Tampa did

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<v Speaker 2>a great job of moving the gaps on the move

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<v Speaker 2>by running gap schemes where they where they pull people

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<v Speaker 2>to use wide receivers to pull. But one run that

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<v Speaker 2>I kept on seeing showing up where they was running

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<v Speaker 2>the crunch play and the crunch play is where you

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<v Speaker 2>got a tight end off the ball. He whams on

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<v Speaker 2>the three technique. They trap the two-eye. They insert the

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<v Speaker 2>wide receiver to crack on the safety, and they was

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<v Speaker 2>making the cornerback have to run replace the sack. on

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<v Speaker 2>the inside gaps, which is extremely hard for cornerbacks because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to go in it. And they was

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<v Speaker 2>creating angles on the best players, whamming of Dee Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>They was getting a crack back on Devin Lord and

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<v Speaker 2>inside linebackers, and they was forcing the cornerbacks to have

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<v Speaker 2>to tackle. And if your cornerback is not super aggressive

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<v Speaker 2>or not used to feeling in there, or don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to stick your face in the fan, that's a six

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<v Speaker 2>to seven yard game. And if he makes that cornerback

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<v Speaker 2>or that defensive back miss, then you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>the long runs. And they continually, you know, they did it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to say that sooner or later, I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking the football IQ of the defensive players got

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<v Speaker 2>to kick in. I've seen this formation before. I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>this motion. This tight end is off. Oh, let me

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<v Speaker 2>anticipate this play. I just didn't see no anticipation because

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<v Speaker 2>I think Carolina defense started to panic after a while.

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<v Speaker 2>And once you start to panic as a defensive guy,

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<v Speaker 2>the building is crumbling now because you're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>guys getting out of their gaps, guys going to try

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<v Speaker 2>to make plays when they shouldn't make a play, especially

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<v Speaker 2>on double teams sometimes. Sometimes on a double team, you

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<v Speaker 2>just got to sit there and hold ground and like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>my teammate got to make the play. But I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a defensive lineman trying to get out of double teams,

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<v Speaker 2>and now he creates a soft pocket in the run game.

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<v Speaker 2>And Campbell kept on doing it, and Carolina could never

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<v Speaker 2>calm themselves down.

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<v Speaker 4>Buck, it appears to us here, the common folk, that

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<v Speaker 4>Derrick Brown is not necessarily having the impact that he

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<v Speaker 4>normally has with his dominant self. Are you seeing that, too?

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<v Speaker 4>And if so, what might be leading to that this year?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you really look at it, if we know

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<v Speaker 2>David Brown is good, I'm pretty sure those 31 other

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<v Speaker 2>teams know that's the guy that we got to block.

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<v Speaker 2>So they are making a conservative effort to take him

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<v Speaker 2>out of the game. They're doubling him. They're trapping him.

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<v Speaker 2>They're whamming him. They're doing things to make him freeze

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<v Speaker 2>his feet and make him think. But that's what happens

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<v Speaker 2>to good defensive linemen. And they're attacking more on the edges, too,

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<v Speaker 2>because the inside part of your defense is your strength,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when Phillips is not there to play outside linebackers.

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<v Speaker 2>So when Phillips is not there, they say, let's attack

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<v Speaker 2>the edges. The two starting cornersbacks, Horn and Jackson, are

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<v Speaker 2>big physical corners who get in the running game. But

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<v Speaker 2>now your two young guys, they don't know what they

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. So those guys right there are coming from

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<v Speaker 2>college where they're usually just running nine routes and eight

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<v Speaker 2>routes and and covering and tackling bubble screens. Now in

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL, they're taking an attack with crack tosses and

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<v Speaker 2>bounce plays, and they have to take on offensive lines

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<v Speaker 2>and tackle NFL-style running backs, so they're not seeing it.

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<v Speaker 2>So the run attack that's happening to Derrick Brown, he's

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a lot of different ways they're attacking him, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're attacking Carolina on the premises.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and by the way, when you talk about the corners,

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<v Speaker 1>we're missing two corners, and multiple texters are pointing this

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<v Speaker 1>out too, Buck. You're missing Mike, Jack, and Horn. We

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't just talk about their coverage, because clearly they are

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<v Speaker 1>willing tacklers, physical tacklers, and the guys that are in

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<v Speaker 1>there for them, they're being called out essentially, right? Let's

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<v Speaker 1>see if you can make... We're talking with Brinson Buckner,

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<v Speaker 1>who is here, but not happy bone. That he is

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<v Speaker 1>the designated after a loss, explain to us guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He might not be happy to talk to us after

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<v Speaker 3>a win either, though. We're not sure about this.

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<v Speaker 2>That is true.

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<v Speaker 3>That is definitely true.

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<v Speaker 1>Buck, on the other side of the ball, Buck, It

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<v Speaker 1>was it was ugly.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the pass protection was ugly. The turnovers.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing about Bryce's game is he had been pressured

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<v Speaker 1>previously a bunch.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But had not made those mistakes. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>was happening? Is it just is it just one of

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<v Speaker 1>those days or was there something specific about the pressure

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<v Speaker 1>he was facing on Sunday that made him make those mistakes?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I thought Tampa did a good job of getting

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<v Speaker 2>pressure up the middle, which normally forces Bryce outside the

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<v Speaker 2>pocket where he's been good on the edges. But they

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<v Speaker 2>did a good job of containing the edges, too. So

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<v Speaker 2>now Bryce had to deal with pressure in the pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>They corralled him in the pocket. They wouldn't let him

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<v Speaker 2>escape to open air so he could see downfield. And

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<v Speaker 2>it sort of hurt him. But if you're a quarterback and–

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't the pressure rate one of the highs of the

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<v Speaker 2>season for any team that Tampa Bay had versus us? No,

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<v Speaker 2>that gets to you. Because a lot of times, and

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<v Speaker 2>it ends up in sacks, but as a defensive line coach,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't really talk about sacks. We talk about make

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<v Speaker 2>the quarterback uncomfortable. make him uncomfortable early, then the sacks

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<v Speaker 2>would come. Well, guess what? They made him uncomfortable early.

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<v Speaker 2>Then his offensive linemen get hurt. Then they're not playing well.

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<v Speaker 2>Then that abdominal effect started to trickle down. So now

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<v Speaker 2>those pressures became sacks. Now he's starting to rush himself.

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<v Speaker 2>He can't follow through throws because he don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's at his feet or he's about to get hit.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you pull back on the throws, and Tampa

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<v Speaker 2>Bay took advantage.

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<v Speaker 4>Buck, these Thursday night games can be kind of hard

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<v Speaker 4>to judge and predict at times. What do you feel

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<v Speaker 4>about the Packers game? What Panther team might show up?

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<v Speaker 4>And how worrisome is this matchup from the standpoint of

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<v Speaker 4>how the Packers like to attack down the field as

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<v Speaker 4>much as they do?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is. It's good for one reason. You get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to get this game behind your back because

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<v Speaker 2>you go right into the next week for the players'

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<v Speaker 2>mental mentality. But going to play a Packers team who

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<v Speaker 2>lost to Detroit, Packers just got their running back in

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Jacobs. He wasn't a big part of their running

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<v Speaker 2>game on Sunday because they threw it a lot. But

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to look at this film and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get our running game on track. We got good

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<v Speaker 2>enough wide receivers to go downtown to try to attack

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<v Speaker 2>their young cornerbacks and and put stress on the Panthers' defense,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be about the Panthers. That's what you

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<v Speaker 2>try to tell your team at the loss like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not worry about the next team. Let's worry about us.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get better at us. We can't depend on what

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<v Speaker 2>they do. They're practicing just like we're practicing, but let's

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<v Speaker 2>get better at what we do. Let's be better at

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<v Speaker 2>what we do than they do and let the things go.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe going on the road, getting away from Mac negatives,

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<v Speaker 2>because Mac, you can't leave the parade and the funeral.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? You know it's a parade

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<v Speaker 2>before the game, but then you're standing in the pool

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<v Speaker 2>pit and you're throwing everybody to hell after the game.

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<v Speaker 2>So get away from everything. Let it calm down. Just

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<v Speaker 2>play football.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a quote of all quotes. Buck, that's right

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<v Speaker 1>up there. Put that on our quote board up there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right up there, Buck, with your pressure makes a

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<v Speaker 1>monkey eat a hot pepper quote, which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you see it. It gets mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>by a Panther reporter like every season. They bring that

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<v Speaker 1>quote back. It's an all-time great. But anyway, Mac, you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot lead the parade, and the funeral is right up there.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so final question, Buck, and I just ask

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<v Speaker 1>you because we get it all the time, but you

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<v Speaker 1>are certainly aware, Buck, how much.

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<v Speaker 3>More knowledge you have than we do, so I'm asking you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just during this conversation, sounds like Buck is explaining a

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<v Speaker 1>defensive coordinator that could not adjust. Sounds like Buck could

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<v Speaker 1>do a better job as D.C.

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<v Speaker 3>Than Avero. So I just want to ask you.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you feel like Sunday was a bad day for

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<v Speaker 1>Avero because of what they did? But do you put

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of that on coaching? Because you know how

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<v Speaker 1>fans are. They put a lot of it on the coach.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you can't put it on coach. And I've been

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<v Speaker 2>a coach. And I've been a coach. One thing I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you, coaches spend so much time watching film,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to chew it up to make it so simple

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<v Speaker 2>for our guys. But come Sunday, it's about your players, man.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot of times, you know, sometimes on

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<v Speaker 2>Sundays that they're Jimmy and Joe's are better than your

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy and Joe's. Just think. Every run defense that is

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<v Speaker 2>put into play is meant to tackle every run for

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<v Speaker 2>a zero-yard game because every gap is accounted for on

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<v Speaker 2>run defense. Believe it or not, I can show you

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<v Speaker 2>a playbook. Every gap on every run play is accounted for.

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<v Speaker 2>The guys that got to do the accounting, are they

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<v Speaker 2>doing what they're supposed to do? And, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing in that playbook can save some people. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that irritates me, we didn't blitz enough. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>blitz is not the call for everything because blitzes only

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<v Speaker 2>work when your base defense is working and you're making

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<v Speaker 2>somebody have to, on offense, have to make ways to

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<v Speaker 2>try to, oh, we got to show focus on this

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<v Speaker 2>guy right here. Well, all right, they're going to set

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<v Speaker 2>all the focus over there to pep. let's bring the

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<v Speaker 2>blitz from the other side where they should be weak.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they're manhandling you or they're having success, you

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<v Speaker 2>just got to bow your back as a player. Now, coaches,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody we into it. No coaches don't point the finger,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't like it all the time when y'all

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<v Speaker 2>just point at a defensive coordinator or an offensive coordinator

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<v Speaker 2>because you practice perfection. You practice these things are totally working.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes, You don't have an answer, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>keeps coaches up at night.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what keeps us in the office. We're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find answers. Believe me, they're trying to find answers. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>the players have to save us. You know, and Dick

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<v Speaker 2>LeBose used to say it all the time. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to call this play. They're going to have a play, too,

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<v Speaker 2>because they practiced. One of y'all saved my job. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? And that's the pride you have. Listen,

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<v Speaker 2>let's save our defensive coordinator. Let's make him right as

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<v Speaker 2>much as the offense want to make him wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So the last thing I'll ask you about that, the

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<v Speaker 1>way you described that in your answer was great because

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<v Speaker 1>I got like a picture of it. You're like, every

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<v Speaker 1>gap is accounted for on every run play. So then

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<v Speaker 1>I start thinking, OK, well, guys are out of their gaps. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You got you talk all the time about gap sound

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. What is the what what what

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<v Speaker 1>was the number one reason on Sunday where guys were

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<v Speaker 1>out of their gap?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it another.

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<v Speaker 1>Big body moving, you know, our big bodies or getting

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<v Speaker 1>to our linebackers and moving them? Or was it like

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<v Speaker 1>lack of discipline where this dude tries to, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a bounce out here, make a play.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, crap. I didn't do my like was was it

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<v Speaker 3>one more than the other?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it started off with the way Tampa Bay

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<v Speaker 2>was moving the gaps. You know, standing gaps, everybody come

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<v Speaker 2>off the ball, your gap is right in front of you.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you start adding gap schemes, you're pulling guards,

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<v Speaker 2>you're pulling tight ends and even wide receivers, those guys

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<v Speaker 2>carry two new gaps with them. So now on the defense,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to float and refit your gap. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't refit them the right way or your gap

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<v Speaker 2>responsibility changes, Like if I'm playing man-to-man at cornerback and

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<v Speaker 2>my wide receiver cracks the safety, well, that wide receiver

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<v Speaker 2>carries my run gap. And he just brought me down

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<v Speaker 2>in the box when I'm not used to fitting. So

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm late on my fit or I don't get there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then those runs begin to pop. So now you

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<v Speaker 2>get somebody trying to trying to over-exaggerate to do more

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<v Speaker 2>than they're supposed to be. And Tampa Bay running backs

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<v Speaker 2>are good. Bucky Irving, to me, is an up-and-coming back

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<v Speaker 2>in this league. And his vision is so great where

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<v Speaker 2>he can see he's running. You see his eyes scanning.

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<v Speaker 2>And if he sees somebody on the backside jump out

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<v Speaker 2>of his gap, oh, he gets to the edge. Or

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<v Speaker 2>if they are cracking and that cornerback squeezes too hard

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<v Speaker 2>and that defensive end starts to squeeze too hard, he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to use my speed to get to the edge.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it became– a Rob Peter to pay Paul. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we're getting them inside. Boom, they're going. They're

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<v Speaker 2>overcompensating getting inside. Now I'm going to attack inside. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to bounce. And then you begin, people start

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<v Speaker 2>to panic. Panic sets in. When panic sets in, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like somebody come in and yell, he got a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>People are not going to run in a straight line.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's going to trample one another. And that's what started

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<v Speaker 2>to happen on the defense. Guys, God, they got to

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<v Speaker 2>start trembling on one another, and the good running backs

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<v Speaker 2>are going to find.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, man.

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<v Speaker 1>That happens, Buck. I'm out of here. I'm out of here, man.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm leaving my gap, Buck.

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<v Speaker 3>Shoving me down. I'll be like Costanza Bone running the

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<v Speaker 3>kids over to get out.

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<v Speaker 4>Buck, you know what's the, we're not a show that

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<v Speaker 4>panics often.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Buck is freaking amazing. Those were great answers and explanations.

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<v Speaker 1>So we all got to repay him. Y'all listen when

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<v Speaker 1>you get a chance. Certainly not before 10 o'clock, though.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. But after that, listen when you get a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>All seriousness, the Brenton Buckners, Buck Naked Truth Podcast, him

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<v Speaker 1>and the great No Limit Larry talking it all up. Buck,

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<v Speaker 1>great job as always, man. We appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. One time for the one time.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Buck.

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<v Speaker 2>One time. One time.