1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You may have heard me mention before. I know a 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: lot of people. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 2: Are going to be discussing around every which which way 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: right now. But I think there are other things that 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: we have to discuss. And you know I have stated 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: before that we have a serious problem in America with education. 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be here, Good 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: to be with you. The seating of education and this 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: belief that academia is actually good for us. Now, that's 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: a larger scale conversation about whether or not the very 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: concept of academia is something that we should try and 12 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: salvage education. Yes, but if I were to define academia, 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: I think I might define that differently. If I go 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: with dictionary definition, the scientific and cultural community engaged in 15 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 2: higher education and research taken as a whole, Well, then 16 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: that's different than education because our issue is not with learning, 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: it's with those who do the teaching. Because those who 18 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: do the teaching seem to want to make what they feel. 19 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: Be the subject. 20 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: And I am only interested in doctors who can pass 21 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: organic chemistry. I don't care that you got close. I 22 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: care that you understand the contraindications. I care that you 23 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: can recognize that the makeup of drug X and the 24 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: makeup of drug Y will lead to a dead patient. 25 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: Maybe don't give them drug X and drug why. I 26 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: don't care that your heart was in the right place. 27 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: I don't care how you feel. I care that you 28 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: know the difference. So we can eliminate those possibilities to 29 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: the best of our ability. But education, or I should 30 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: say academia, has become a place where pseudo intellectualism reigns supreme. 31 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: And this I think is Colorado State University where there's 32 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: a professor. No, this might be California State University. Jamie O'Quinn. 33 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: Jamie O'Quinn is a feminist scholar, activist. Done, I'm out, 34 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: I'm out, can't have my money. She is a feminist scholar, 35 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: activist whose research examines how sexual inequalities are reproduced through 36 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: social institutions. 37 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: That is not at all. 38 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: Anything that is worthy of study Sociology degree at the 39 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: University of California, Santa Cruz, Sexuality Study Masters at San 40 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: Francisco State University, and then a doctor in sociology from 41 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: the University of Texas at Austin. 42 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's something else. Well here she is 43 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: this professor and she wants you to know. 44 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: Some very very very important things. 45 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: And the idea that I have to get up here 46 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: and say that trans women are women and that's what 47 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: I have to use my time to do is absurd. 48 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: Shame on you, Shame on all of you, and shame 49 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: on you for using lesbian politics as a front for 50 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: your transphobia, because this lesbian has had plenty of girlfriends 51 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: with penises. 52 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 4: Now, perhaps, just maybe I'm thinking in retrospect that I probably, 53 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: if we were friends, should have given you a little 54 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 4: warning to what was about to happen. I'm thinking maybe 55 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 4: I'm thinking maybe I'm a bad guy, and I would 56 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 4: like to apologize to all of you. 57 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: Also. I would. I would. 58 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: I would state to you that there are reasons to 59 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: stop sending your kids to college. 60 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: That's a reason. 61 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: You think that that woman should be allowed to teach 62 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: your kid. 63 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: You hate kid. 64 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: Now, for the record, I don't want to agree to disagree. 65 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: I want you to know that if you're letting that 66 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: woman who thinks that a woman can have a penis 67 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: teach your kids, you hate your kids. You're a terrible parent. 68 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: You're terrible. I don't know how else I'm supposed to 69 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: say this, it's hateful. 70 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: You're supposed to say your kid. 71 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: No, you're not even supposed to send your kid to 72 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: the school. Who is this cal State University? Where is 73 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: this cal State University, Sam Bernardino. Nope, you don't send 74 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 2: your kids to cal. 75 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: State University, Sam Bernardino. 76 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: You let Cal State University Sam Bernardino die. 77 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: On the vine and then tell her to go get 78 00:05:59,480 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: a job. 79 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: Dairy queen. No wait, I apologize. I'm sorry, dairy queen. 80 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: You are fantastic. She is not good enough for you. You 81 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: you stay. 82 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: Classy, dairy queen. Somebody get me a blizzard. 83 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: For the love of God, I allegedly have friends who 84 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: listen to the show. 85 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: None of them bring me a blizzard. 86 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: Need some oreo in there. My wife bought sugar free 87 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: oreos and I I I know there's a difference. I 88 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: know I'm supposed to be able to taste the difference. 89 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: And the difference is is that in an oreo, you 90 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: know it has a queen filling, and in a sugar 91 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: free oreo you need all the milk because the dryness 92 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: will suck all the moisture right out of your body 93 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 2: and you will end up like. 94 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: The guy in seven. It's really bad. 95 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: It's really it's it's it's it's really bad. I didn't 96 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: mean to get sidetracked there, I truly I'd like to apologize. 97 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: Back to the story at hand. You're good people. 98 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: Dairy queen cookies and cream sounds great. If someone could 99 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: bring me one, fantastic. This is the problem with academia, 100 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: because that statement can be made. 101 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: This woman really said this. 102 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: Shame on you, Shame on all of you, and shame 103 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: on you for using lesbian politics as a front for 104 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: your transphobia. Because this lesbian has had plenty of girlfriends 105 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: with penises. 106 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: No, you haven't. You've never had a girlfriend with a penis, 107 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: never once. It never happened. It's a lie. Now, you 108 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: could have played dress up, you could have played pretend. 109 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: You can do that all you want, but it never happened. 110 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: You lie. 111 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: One of the hardest problems we have is that how 112 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: does one keep up with all the madness in all 113 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: the places? Because everywhere you turn, everywhere. 114 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: You move, these people are crazy on every level, doesn't 115 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: matter the subject. 116 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: You're fighting everything, everywhere, all the time. And how do 117 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: you keep up with that? When I say, you don't 118 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: send your kids to that school. I mean it. I'm not. 119 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it because well that's just you know, 120 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: it's the radio thing to say. 121 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 122 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: You tell them no, it's your money. The answer is no, 123 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: I don't care if your friends go there. The answer 124 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,599 Speaker 2: is no. I love you more. 125 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: And the answer is no. And that's what you do. 126 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: Gotta make it stop, Gotta make it stop. 127 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: Parents need to be the people who make it stop. 128 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: How do you stop your kids from getting indoctrinated by 129 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: actually stopping them. 130 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: That's how it's done. 131 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: You stop them, you say no. Now, this is a 132 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: lot easier if you start from a basis of. 133 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: Your their parents and not their friends. 134 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: See if you tried to be your parent your kid's 135 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: friends their whole life, you can't actually stop them because 136 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: a friend can't do that. But you're the parent. A 137 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: parent is not a friend. I am not my kid's friend. 138 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: I am their father, and it is a very different job. 139 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: I like my job, sometimes a thankless job, but I 140 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: am not their friend. 141 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to be my kid's best friend. 142 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: I want my kids to have a best friend or 143 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 2: friends in general. 144 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: I want to be their father, be the only person 145 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: in their life. 146 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: Who never ever ever lies to them, be the only 147 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: person in their life who will always answer them honestly 148 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: and doesn't judge them, discusses the pros and the cons. 149 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: You want my opinion, I'll give it to you. 150 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: After that you are grown ups, make the call and 151 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: then work with what happens. But if you're not willing 152 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: to tell your kid, no, this is my money and 153 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: it's not going to that, I'm not filling your head 154 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: with that crap because no girlfriend ever had a penis. 155 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: If you're not willing to say that, you're not a 156 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: good parent. 157 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 2: If you say to me, who am I to tell 158 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: you about being a parent, I'm a rational human being 159 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: making a declaration. And if people don't want to listen 160 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: to the show, SCROWM don't care. If you send your 161 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,359 Speaker 2: kid to a school where the professor says, my girlfriend's 162 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: have penis says that's a bad school, that's a bad teacher. 163 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: You shouldn't send your kid there, And if you do, 164 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 2: you're a lousy crap parent. Now all you have to 165 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 2: do is stop. Do you know how easy it is 166 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: not to be a lousy crap parent? Allow me to 167 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: help you start by not being a lousy crap parent, you. 168 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 5: Stop doing the lousy crap thing. You stop doing it, 169 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 5: you start changing that. Oh yeah, it'll be weird because 170 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 5: your kid may not be used to it. But whoever 171 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 5: said it was too late to change, not me, not you, 172 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 5: not the world. 173 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: No it's not. It's not too late. 174 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: You gotta at least try, and you have to say, 175 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: you have to recognize that academia is not education. Academia 176 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: is broken. Education is necessary. There's a difference. I'm Tony 177 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: Katz and this is Tony Katz today.