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Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome into New Year's Eve, the eve

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Speaker 1: of the biggest college football game in the history of

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Speaker 1: Indiana football. Good morning, Kevin Bowen, Good morning James Boyd.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see you all again. It's been been

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Speaker 1: a while. It feels like it's been a while. It

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Speaker 1: has been almost a week and a half. A lot's

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Speaker 1: for everybody who's reached out over the last two weeks,

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Speaker 1: especially you guys. Lost my mom on the eighteenth, and

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Speaker 1: as fate would have it, you guys have heard about

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Speaker 1: the superflu that's going around the entire house got it

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Speaker 1: the nineteenth, the day after my mom passed away, and

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Speaker 1: Then we finally recovered enough to get to her folks

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Speaker 1: everybody for reaching out, the messages, the kindness, especially the

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Speaker 1: staff over at Rose Senior Living that took such great

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Speaker 1: care of my mom and her last year and a

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Speaker 1: half here. She was an incredible, bright, wonderful woman that

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Speaker 1: worked for the United States Geological Survey for her entire career.

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Speaker 1: She helped my stepfather discover some huge, huge things. The

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Speaker 1: two of them were on the team. He led the team,

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Speaker 1: she was on the team discover the fourth largest gold

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Speaker 1: wonderful people, loving, had four great parents after both my

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Speaker 1: parents got remarried. But thanks again for everything, and it's

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Speaker 1: good to see you guys. It's good to be back

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Speaker 1: because there's a lot to talk about since I've been gone.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Bowen and man to that. Great to have you back,

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Speaker 2: certainly connolences. And I know throughout November and December, you know,

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Speaker 2: when you've shared some stories off the air about your mom.

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Speaker 2: It was great to hear those stories and you could

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Speaker 2: tell how close you too, or so glad you got

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Speaker 2: the family time and happy to have you back. And

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Speaker 2: yeah it is. It's quite the New Year's Eve. We

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Speaker 2: started all the week saying things I'm not used to saying.

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Speaker 2: It's a rosiable week for the Indiana Hoosiers. And here

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Speaker 2: we are on Rose Bowl Eve. It's not New Year's Eve.

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Speaker 2: It's Rose Bull Eve for the Indian Hoosiers, which is

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Speaker 2: utterly amazing.

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Speaker 1: It is incredible. And obviously you went to a Big

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Speaker 1: ten school at Illinois, you know what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: Hard to believe that. And I know the changing landscapes.

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Speaker 2: Bowl winning Illinois, James Boyd, how about that winning?

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Speaker 3: How about this?

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, Jim, I don't really know

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Speaker 4: what that's about, because when I was in college.

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Speaker 2: I can't even tell you what the ball game was.

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Speaker 2: Illinois won yesterday, but I only won a bowl.

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Speaker 3: I went to school.

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Speaker 4: They won one ball game when I was a freshman,

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Speaker 4: the heart of Dallas ball whatever that is. So a

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Speaker 4: little bit of higher standards for IU. And just real quick,

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Speaker 4: I do want to again get wisdom condulcncs to you

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Speaker 4: and your family. They talk about your mom. You know

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Speaker 4: how close iime with my mom, so I can only imagine.

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Speaker 4: So glad to have you back, and obviously we'll support

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Speaker 1: Well, it's it's it's terrific to have you. Guys as

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Speaker 1: teammates have talked about that in the past. I'll continue

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Speaker 1: to talk about that. But what's going to get back

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Speaker 1: to is. I know that this incredibly fast changing college

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Speaker 1: sports landscape that we have, and you know, John Caliperi

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Speaker 1: This is the last year there's an official tie in

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Speaker 1: After this, it's just random. Whatever happens happens. It kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is. You know, when Scott Document joined us yesterday, James,

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Speaker 2: playing in a quarterfinal football game probably speaks for itself.

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Speaker 2: The fact that it is the rose Bull. The fact

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Speaker 2: don't know why I would pick there, and someone told

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Speaker 3: Favorite, you know this one.

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Speaker 4: I'll listen to some of the media stuff and yesterday

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Speaker 3: And I was like, what a savage response.

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Speaker 4: And again it speaks to just how different IU is

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Speaker 4: They're a good team, but not the great you know

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Speaker 1: I thought there's a terrific piece in the Indie Star

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Speaker 1: Island to Bore running Alabama. There crazy how small the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I continue to be really bullish on

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Speaker 2: Indiana in this matchup. I think the fact that they

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Speaker 2: Like even before you play Indiana, they're one dimensional. Think

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Speaker 2: the fact that Indiana walks into this game already facing

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Speaker 2: I like Indiana by two scores tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be really interesting to watch Indiana go

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Speaker 1: into a college football playoff game as the favorite over Alabama,

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Speaker 1: and to Kevin's point, you start looking at Indiana's football team,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, they suffered that bizarre, strange injury to one

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Speaker 1: that in that Big Ten Championship game, But all three

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Speaker 1: phases of the game special teams, defense, offense, there's no

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're a complete team and they've shown they can

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Speaker 4: win in a variety of ways in big moments, clutch moments.

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Speaker 4: We saw a low scoring game in the Big Ten Championship.

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Speaker 4: We had learn your defense and make the big plays

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Speaker 5: You did that.

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Speaker 4: So hats off to them, And honestly, I'm just excited

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it has been forever.

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Speaker 4: Right not to be like crude about it, but I

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones was still a starting quarterback of the Colts.

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Speaker 4: a wild lot of change.

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Speaker 3: That is true as well.

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Speaker 4: And now we're talking about, you know, going into week

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Speaker 1: That's very good thing about sports. It's all hanging by

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Speaker 1: a thread. It's so narrow here you win a championship

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Speaker 1: like Indiana had a really good chance to win. Right,

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Speaker 1: it just goes quick And it's one of those we

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Speaker 1: like talking about the last time Indiana played at the

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Speaker 1: You're right, the last time this happened, you know, Riley

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Speaker 1: at the entire Indiana sports landscape, James, it's been crazy.

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Speaker 4: There you go, this is sports, and this is Indiana

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Speaker 4: sports for that matter. We've had quite the year at

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Speaker 4: a cover.

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Speaker 1: Man, oh man, we have speaking of covering, the head

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Speaker 1: coach for the Indiana Pacers, Rick Carlisle is going to

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Speaker 1: join us at nine thirty this morning and then at

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Speaker 1: eight o'clock Stephen holders. He does every Wednesday. He didn't

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Speaker 1: care whether it's New Year's Eve. He's good to go, man,

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Speaker 1: He's ready to get it done.

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Speaker 4: Streets later on, Kevin, we'll have to check and see

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Speaker 4: he's got.

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Speaker 2: A big one tonight again. We'll we'll have the first

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Speaker 2: again we'll see if he is the backup or not.

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Speaker 2: You know, nothing from an official status outside of the

439
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Speaker 2: divorce Buckner's and the Brayden Smiths of the world here.

440
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I do not need to see Sauce Gardner

441
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Speaker 2: playing football on Sunday. And we'll see if the Colts

442
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Speaker 2: field the need to put him out there.

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Speaker 1: All right, anything else you guys want to throw in

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Speaker 1: before we head on to the rest of the show.

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Speaker 2: I noticed you didn't mention Notre Dame basketball, just.

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Speaker 1: A great I want to not mentioned Notre Dame basketball

447
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Speaker 1: on top of your list.

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Speaker 6: Cal Zuber, you stayed up for the first half for

449
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Speaker 6: the weekend.

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Speaker 2: It did put you bailed early, but one of the

451
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Speaker 2: epic College of Basketball games you'll ever see last night

452
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Speaker 2: out there and palle out though that is now too

453
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Speaker 2: true road wins for Notre Dame. How many teams have

454
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Speaker 2: two true road wins here before the new year?

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Speaker 3: I say, you're asking me this stuff before we get

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Speaker 3: to the.

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Speaker 2: Brackett of the Many, So I'll let you guys look

458
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Speaker 2: up your Notre Dame basketball research. I don't want to

459
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Speaker 2: spill the beans on how unbelievable of a win that

460
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Speaker 2: was for the Irish.

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Speaker 6: Last I told you this morning, Kevin Stanford was stuck

462
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Speaker 6: on twelve points for like thirty minutes of real time.

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Speaker 1: It was impressive, so I thought she was.

464
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Speaker 3: I thought, we're trolling me. This is horrendous.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand unbelievable. Both of these teams out of the

466
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Speaker 2: twenty five Denver Broncos. Epic defense from Micah Shrewsbury's bunch

467
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Speaker 2: last night's.

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Speaker 1: Any Newcastle Fieldhouse.

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Speaker 5: Was it the.

470
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Speaker 1: Defense or was at the Stanford lineup?

471
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Speaker 2: The Notre Dame football team outscored their basketball team and

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Speaker 2: their game against Stanford this season.

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Speaker 1: Boy, shout out to Mark Zachary updates. You want to

474
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Speaker 1: give us James before we had to.

475
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Speaker 3: Bring to Mark Zachary.

476
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Speaker 4: Right there was enough eighteen of fifty six shooting and

477
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Speaker 4: they win the game.

478
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Speaker 2: Our local audience. Mark Zachary, the football player from Ben Davis,

479
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Speaker 2: he got in early last night for Notre Dame on

480
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Speaker 2: the hardwood there so don't typically see that in today's

481
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Speaker 2: day and age college athletics.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, he's a defensive player for the Notre Dame

483
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Speaker 4: fighting Arizona the grid irons them.

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Speaker 2: He brought some defense last night late last night. Pretty

485
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Speaker 2: cool that Mark Zachary is able to get that going

486
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Speaker 2: there and his freshman year and.

487
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, right there you go a complete segment

488
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Speaker 1: on Notre Dame basketball right there from Kevin Bowen. Coming

489
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Speaker 1: up in a moment, we will talk a little bit

490
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Speaker 1: more about Indiana football at the Rose Bowl and the Colts.

491
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Speaker 1: What do they and don't they do in their final

492
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Speaker 1: game of the season this week. That's coming up next.

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Speaker 1: Ninety three five, one oh seven five.

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Speaker 5: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Hope your Wednesday's going well. I don't know how many

496
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Speaker 1: people have to actually go into work today, but if

497
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Speaker 1: you do, man, hopefully you get off early and you

498
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Speaker 1: go home and you can watch some some sports and

499
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Speaker 1: get ready to watch maybe even the Pacers in the afternoon,

500
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Speaker 1: and get yourself loaded up for the Rose Bowl tomorrow.

501
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Speaker 1: And can you imagine what was the last time New

502
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Speaker 1: Year's Date? It's always fun to watch college football, but

503
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Speaker 1: this is certainly a different feel around here than we've

504
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Speaker 1: ever had before, certainly in your lifetime, Kevin, I mean,

505
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Speaker 1: this is we always though there's the big games on

506
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Speaker 1: New Year's Day, but to have I say it again,

507
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Speaker 1: say it a million times, it still sounds surreal. Indiana's

508
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Speaker 1: playing in maybe the biggest game of the day, maybe

509
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Speaker 1: the biggest game of their their school's history on New

510
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Speaker 1: Year's day at the Rose Bowl tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that last part, I don't think there's any

512
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Speaker 2: maybe about it. It is indeed their biggest game. I mean,

513
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Speaker 2: they have played in one other Rose Bowl, and this

514
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Speaker 2: one obviously could lead to a national championship if they're

515
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Speaker 2: able to string three together here. So I mean, yeah,

516
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Speaker 2: what do you got two thousand was that Purdue Washington

517
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Speaker 2: ninety nine. I'm trying to think what exactly the year

518
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Speaker 2: was the last time a local team a minute, if

519
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Speaker 2: you will, has been in the Rose Bowl, you know,

520
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Speaker 2: excluding obviously the team in South Bend. So cannot wait,

521
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Speaker 2: cannot wait. And again the weather, you know, been looking

522
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Speaker 2: at it, probably way too much. It looks like there

523
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Speaker 2: is a chance that it might clear out for kickoff.

524
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Speaker 2: That's one o'clock local time out there. The rain tomorrow.

525
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Speaker 2: I actually think the rain would favor more of Indiana.

526
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Speaker 2: I think Alabama's one dimensional and one dimension is they

527
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Speaker 2: can't run it, So I do think that would favor them.

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Speaker 4: I do have a question about the viewing experience for

529
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Speaker 4: those tuning into his AU game, who won't be obviously

530
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Speaker 4: traveling out to the West coast. So I think I

531
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Speaker 4: went over this when I was talking about the finals

532
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Speaker 4: with the Pacers. If you are a die hard IU fan,

533
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Speaker 4: where are you watching the game? Like, are you at

534
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Speaker 4: home and it's just you and like the die hards

535
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Speaker 4: and your family, or you and your boys or your

536
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Speaker 4: girls or whatever, or are you out and trying to

537
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Speaker 4: experience that game? Because I'm always torn because myself, I'm like, man,

538
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Speaker 4: if it's a big game and I'm really invested in,

539
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Speaker 4: I kind of want to be like.

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Speaker 3: In my own little hut.

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Speaker 4: But I can also make a case for it'll be

542
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Speaker 4: very cool to be downtown for something like that.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to huts out there. I haven't heard that

544
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Speaker 2: in a while.

545
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Speaker 5: What year are living?

546
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Speaker 2: I feel like I should set out to camp to

547
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Speaker 2: cumpsters and all of a sudden Connor Prairie and watch

548
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Speaker 2: the game, listen to Don Well. I also think how

549
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Speaker 2: many establishments have to all of a sudden change their

550
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Speaker 2: holiday hours. I would assume a lot probably a close

551
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Speaker 2: for New Year's Day, and all of a sudden, Indiana

552
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Speaker 2: pops up on the schedule and said we had to

553
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Speaker 2: open up, So yeah, I am team locked me inside it.

554
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Speaker 2: It would be pretty embarrassing if I acted like that.

555
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Speaker 1: So if I took my sons or some the family

556
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Speaker 1: wanted to go watch the game at a local establishment

557
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Speaker 1: in Bloomington tomorrow, which I think would be an outstanding atmosphere.

558
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Speaker 1: Where would I go? What do you think the best

559
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Speaker 1: place to go?

560
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Speaker 2: Next? You go upstairs? You go Yogi's buffalois buffal Louise.

561
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Speaker 3: That was nice.

562
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a lot of options down there. Yeah,

563
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Speaker 2: take the keys off or take the cars off Kirkwood

564
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Speaker 2: for tomorrow, right, I guess students aren't back on campus,

565
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Speaker 2: but I could get a little dicey there.

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Speaker 1: Everybody might be. Most people might be in Pasadena too. Well.

567
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Speaker 2: It was funny. I remember one time when I was

568
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Speaker 2: my senior year. I you played Ohio Satan basketball in

569
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Speaker 2: New Year's Eve, was actually one of their better wins

570
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Speaker 2: in the cream era. So I'd be curious if you

571
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Speaker 2: are a student, you know, maybe you would want to

572
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Speaker 2: go back anyways for New Year's Uh, you know, maybe

573
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Speaker 2: it's a good rea and to fire up the old

574
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Speaker 2: apartment and celebrate down there in Bloomington.

575
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Speaker 1: And then there's the age old dilemma. You got a

576
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Speaker 1: little bit of money, you can go make a trip

577
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Speaker 1: to see your football team playing in the college football Playoff.

578
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Speaker 1: Do you spend that money now to go see your

579
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Speaker 1: team play the Rose Bowl in Alabama? Or do you

580
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Speaker 1: say to yourself, I think they're going to beat Alabama.

581
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna save my money for a later trip in

582
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Speaker 1: the college football playoff.

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Speaker 2: You could drive to Atlanta, right, Peach Bowl coming up

584
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Speaker 2: next week?

585
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Speaker 5: Is that right?

586
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

587
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Speaker 1: I just got to pay for hotels and tickets and

588
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Speaker 1: stuff like that.

589
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Speaker 2: Caleb, you got this Joe Buck audio?

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 2: We had Joe Buck on last week, and again, you know,

592
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Speaker 2: this happened in the nine o'clock hour, so I know

593
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Speaker 2: our audience probably at this hour, you know, maybe didn't

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Speaker 2: get a chance to catch. My father in law actually

595
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Speaker 2: is out there. My father in law and my mother

596
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Speaker 2: in law. We're on a flight yesterday out to Pasadena,

597
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Speaker 2: and he was saying, hey, I caught the Joe Buck

598
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Speaker 2: interview and really really enjoyed it. I felt like this

599
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Speaker 2: clip I enjoyed here from Joe Buck kind of explaining

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Speaker 2: his them a little bit, and you know how he

601
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Speaker 2: talks about IU on the national landscape.

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Speaker 8: First of all, you said it perfectly right, because I

603
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Speaker 8: did not graduate. I walked after three and a half

604
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Speaker 8: years to do the cardinals. I was like, well, I

605
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Speaker 8: can either stay in school and hope someday to get

606
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Speaker 8: the cardinal job, or I can take the cardinal job.

607
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Speaker 8: And I opted for thanks to nepotism option B so

608
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Speaker 8: I took.

609
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Speaker 5: The cardinal job. Obviously.

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Speaker 8: Dear friends with I mean best friends with so many

611
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Speaker 8: guys that you know, we're in my fraternity there at

612
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Speaker 8: IU and which was Sigma Nu in case you're wondering,

613
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Speaker 8: and so we're on this gigantic text chain. I think

614
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Speaker 8: they kind of talked me into it. You could feel

615
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Speaker 8: a bruin last year. But I think any of us

616
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Speaker 8: who've been fans over the years, you get teased into.

617
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Speaker 8: We got teased into thinking that it was legit. And

618
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Speaker 8: they seem to always play at times, play some of

619
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Speaker 8: the bigger programs really tight, and then they would lose

620
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Speaker 8: the game and it was like, I mean, we are

621
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Speaker 8: we ever going to get over the hump? And I

622
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Speaker 8: think it it changed last year when when you know

623
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Speaker 8: they they looked better. I think the eye test with

624
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Speaker 8: the way they look is just different. And yeah, they

625
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Speaker 8: lost to Ohio State last year, they lost in the

626
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Speaker 8: College Football Playoff, but but it just felt different. And

627
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Speaker 8: then this year I think we can all agree that

628
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Speaker 8: in the past the game at Penn State, the catch

629
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Speaker 8: was insane, but in years past he would have been

630
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Speaker 8: out of bounds, but this year he was inbounds. You know,

631
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Speaker 8: the game at Oregon that that's the game that IU

632
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 8: doesn't win in the past. And then I think I

633
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 8: think even in the Ohio State game, everybody. I did

634
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Speaker 8: a podcast with a guy, Jimmy Traina, who covers the

635
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Speaker 8: business that I'm in, and he's like, yeah, but that

636
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 8: game didn't mean anything. And to me, I said, it

637
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 8: meant less to Ohio State, but it meant a lot

638
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 8: to Indiana. And the fan base is one thing. But

639
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 8: I think the team to say, well, we can beat

640
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 8: Ohio State. We just did and we dominated them defensively.

641
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Speaker 8: I think that all of that goes into giving all

642
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 8: of us a real feel that they're good enough to

643
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 8: win the whole thing. Alabama scares me, I'm not gonna lie,

644
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Speaker 8: because of their pedigree and because of their size and

645
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 8: their athleticism. But you know, I think Indiana probably scares them.

646
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Speaker 8: And I don't think I've ever been able to say

647
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Speaker 8: that in the past, our favorite for a reason.

648
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Speaker 1: Indiana probably scares them. Can you even imagine again, I

649
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: keep coming back to cue you of imagine. But there

650
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Speaker 1: is one of the voices of the sport football, Joe Buck,

651
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: talking about Indiana in comparison to Alabama, and they probably

652
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: scare Alabama just a little bit. Kevin in your to

653
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Speaker 1: steal one from from Uncle vern in your.

654
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Speaker 2: Life, Right, Yeah, I'll go back to what I said

655
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Speaker 2: to lead off the show. I'm watching Kurt Signett's Roosebell

656
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Speaker 2: press conference yesterday and he literally utters the phrase, I

657
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: shouldn't have to build up Alabama. It's like, what what

658
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: world are we in right now? The Indiana football coach

659
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 2: like says that, And I get why he says that.

660
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, again, I know Joe Buck, you know,

661
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: played a little bit more of the Alabama branded there

662
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: with his worry about it. But like, I mean, a

663
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: lot of the college football people that whatever I talked

664
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: to read, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, they fully

665
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: expect Indiana win this game and it to not be

666
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: that close. Really in Alabama I think has had plenty

667
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: of issues this season. So yeah, it is quite a time,

668
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: quite a time to say the least.

669
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: Well, as you mentioned a little while ago, Omar Cooper

670
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: will be back. He had the right leg injury early

671
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten title game. He has been clear

672
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: to play here in this Rose Bowl. Fifty eight catches,

673
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: eight hundred and four yards, eleven touchdowns, none bigger than

674
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: the game saving touchdown, the miraculous catch against Penn State.

675
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: But Alabama's also getting a little bit healthier if they've

676
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: had some time too. They get the return of their

677
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: edge rusher lt Overton. So you know, both teams seem

678
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 1: to be pretty healthy going into this one. That's what

679
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: you want to see. And I think when you look

680
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: at all of those things and you go up and down,

681
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: and you look at the line, and everybody says Indiana

682
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: favored by a touchdown over Alabama. Yes, we keep talking

683
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: about can you believe this? But at the same time,

684
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: Indiana believes it. They know what they can do. Kurt

685
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: Signette's believed it from day one. He's got his guys

686
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: believing it. To Kevin pointing out that can't believe. I'm

687
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: having to talk up Alabama because I think everybody in

688
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: college football that's watched this team does believe. If you've

689
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: been watching this team game in game out, series in

690
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: series out, you know that this is a solid football

691
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: team that every time they've been put on the mat,

692
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: they get up and they respond. Whether it was the

693
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: comeback win at Iowa, whether it was Mendoza throwing the

694
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: pick six and then coming back to have a tremendous

695
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: fourth quarter against Oregon, whether it was the catch by

696
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: Cooper against Penn State, whether it was the defense just

697
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: making stand after stand after stand against Ohio State. They

698
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: have demonstrated against top competition that they are a good,

699
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: great football team.

700
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: James, Yeah, I would agree, And they're led by the

701
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 4: Heisan Trophy winner, and I get that this hasn't been

702
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: lead typical Heisman year, meaning the prolific numbers probably weren't there.

703
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: If you look at like the list of guys last year,

704
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: for example, Ashton Jent had the year that he had

705
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: last year. This year he's probably the Heisman. But I

706
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: think you've look at the moments and if that's what

707
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 4: you're kind of weighing the award off of, which is

708
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: what I thought, it kind of leaned in favor of

709
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 4: Frando Mendoza. He met the moment every single time. I

710
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: don't know if you can like quantify that or really

711
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: teach it. He's got some toughness, some clutch in them,

712
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: and you'll probably need that if you want to run

713
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: the table because at this point, obviously you can't drop

714
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: any game and still be in it. So it is

715
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 4: remarkable that they're the last team standing to not have

716
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: a blimage on the record.

717
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: Well, I think what makes Indiana truly great this season

718
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: is James. You bring up the Heisman Trophy winner. I

719
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: could make a decent argument that's probably the third aspect

720
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: of Indiana that I'm most confident in. I'd put their

721
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: ability to run it and the ability to stop the

722
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: run above Mendoz in their passing offense, which is kind

723
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: of wild to say, but that's more how consistently good

724
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: I think their run game has been offensively and defensively. Obviously,

725
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: Mendoz has had some historic late game moments. He's obviously

726
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: had some other moments that the reason he's needed some

727
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: of the heroics is because of fourth quarter interceptions.

728
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: I E.

729
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: Organ, I E. I think Penn State, maybe even Iowa

730
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: as well. So yeah, it'll be interesting, I guess if that,

731
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: you know, if if Alabama, like you said, Jeff, they

732
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: are getting a little healthier, you know, Ken their defensive line,

733
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: you know, maybe control some things. I mean, that might

734
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: be one area where it could be a little bit

735
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: more of a you know, back and forth affair. But

736
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: I just keep on going back to that Oklahoma game.

737
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: I mean, they got gifts to get back into that game.

738
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: I don't see Indiana just handing those out like Oklahoma did.

739
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about meeting moments, though, it's just consistently

740
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: meeting the moment and even going back to that Big

741
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: Ten championship game with everything on the line and a

742
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: big third down to say, you know what, We're just

743
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: gonna go for a big shot downfield to Becker and

744
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be a perfect pass.

745
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: Charlie from Tennessee.

746
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: It's just bam. It's just every single time this year

747
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: they've needed a moment, they've gotten the moment. They have

748
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: not been overwhelming statistically, you're not talking about statistically one

749
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: of the greatest college football teams of all time, But

750
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: every time the game has been in the balance, whether

751
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: they put themselves there or not, Kevin, they have answered

752
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: the bell every single time.

753
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 4: And now you got my pops, the Raiders fan hoping

754
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 4: they lose out, So then get Frinanda Mendozo. I don't

755
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 4: think he knew who Rinana Mendoza was until about three

756
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 4: weeks ago, and now he's on the bandwagon. We need

757
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 4: a quarterback, bring me him. He seems to be big

758
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: in clutches.

759
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: All there you go.

760
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: You talk about the teams trying to get that number

761
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: one overall pick. I was on the phone yesterday for

762
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: a while with a good friend of mine who's a

763
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: Giants fan, Jason Barrett Barrett Media, and he's like, you watch,

764
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: you watch They're gonna screw it up and win a

765
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 1: football game on Sunday. Just that's what they do. That's

766
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: just what they do.

767
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: I'll tell you.

768
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 4: Well, Okay, so coming up Sunday, we do have a

769
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 4: football game on the other other kind in the NFL

770
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 4: for Colts and Texans.

771
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 3: Kabi, what do you actually want to see in that game?

772
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: From Riley?

773
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: Like, what would define a good game? Because personally, I

774
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 4: don't like they're gonna win the game. But if you

775
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: leave it feeling relatively optimistic about him him, what things

776
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 4: will have happened.

777
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question. I think one of the

778
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: big debates I have James heading into Sunday is okay,

779
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: offensively what do they exactly do with Leonard? You know,

780
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: the best approach to keep him comfortable is probably running

781
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: the Saturday college offense. It's due, We'll threat the hell

782
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: out of it. It's rpo it, it's sticking in Taylor's belly,

783
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: and you know, kind of play that game make you know,

784
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: Houston have to be responsible for Riley Leonard with his legs.

785
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 2: Whereas conversely, if you want him to grow as a

786
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: quarterback and you want to, you know, maybe expose him

787
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 2: a little bit. But you know, again it's all about growth.

788
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 2: You probably have him throw it a little bit more

789
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: than you would like, so, you know, trying to win

790
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: the football game, it looks college offense. If you're trying

791
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: to develop him and you know, have him take some

792
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 2: leaps that are necessary as a pocket passer, that would

793
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: look different. So I think it'll be interesting to see

794
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: the balance in that. But you know, I will continue

795
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: to say with Leonard, by no means do I think

796
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: this is Brock Party two point zero. But the question,

797
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: I guess two questions are very real for me. Could

798
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard start two to three games for you in

799
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: September next year? That would be the first question I have.

800
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: And the second second question I'd have is can Riley

801
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: Leonard be your backup of the foreseeable future. I think

802
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: those are two very real questions that it's nice to

803
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: get a little bit of answers on. I'm not gonna

804
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: act like one game obviously gives you all those answers,

805
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: but those are the questions you have. Daniel Jones's injury

806
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 2: history is going nowhere, I mean, and now he's added

807
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: the biggest one, Yeah, the A word. So you need

808
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: a competent backup quarterback. You're likely going to need that

809
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: guy to start games for you in twenty twenty six.

810
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: And you know, again we talked a little bit about

811
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: this yesterday, James, but like you might need some quarterback

812
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: in September. Maybe it's or maybe it's not. But how

813
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: vital is it going to be for that guy to

814
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 2: help you get a couple of wins in the first

815
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: month of the season. So you're not putting all this

816
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: pressure on post Achilles Daniel Jones to come back and

817
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: save the season. So yeah, I think what I would

818
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: like to see from him is just don't look like

819
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: an absolute turnover machine. Provide some consistent movement when you

820
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: are throwing the football, be decisive with it, and you know,

821
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: create a few more chunk plays than the offense we

822
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: saw over the last three weeks.

823
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: So here's the other question. What if you get the

824
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: kind of performance you got when he subbed in for

825
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones against Jacksonville, I think.

826
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: We would sign up for that.

827
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: I would suggest that you found your backup quarterback for

828
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future if he can play at that level.

829
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 5: Right.

830
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I don't want to make too much out

831
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: of one game. I don't like you know, there's part

832
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: of me that sits here and says okay. Twenty twenty

833
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: six quarterback depth chart, Anthony Richardson's gone. Daniel Jones obviously

834
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: would be on the shelf for a while in this

835
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: off season, Riley Leonard, and then go get some vet

836
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: and let those two kind of handle it this offseason.

837
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: Well, Rivers, where are you going if we if we

838
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 4: need a veteran for the off season, maybe come on,

839
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: just just stick.

840
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: Around a little bit longer.

841
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: Now, don't don't be still on my thunder with that thought.

842
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 3: No, I'm trolling on this.

843
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: I would after you pooh pooing it when I brought

844
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: it up last week.

845
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: I respectfully, as much as I want to try to

846
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: play that game now, No, I would. I would tell

847
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 4: unpack his bags immediately. But I was also on the

848
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 4: record saying I would never ask him to come out

849
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 4: of retirement. But we're here now, so.

850
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: Would would he use the backup by the way on Sunday?

851
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: No?

852
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: I actually think that he probably Isn't I mean, because

853
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 4: otherwise why'd you sign Seth Hennigan?

854
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: Is it just because in case.

855
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 4: Both quarterbacks go down on Sunday you need another guy

856
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 4: to go in there, or something.

857
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: Like because if you want to go movie route, Riley

858
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: starts here, we go All of a sudden, Will Anderson here,

859
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: we get some from the blind side. Unfortunately, Ryley Leonard's

860
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 2: injury his tree is well documented. All of a sudden,

861
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: Will Anderson Junior gets him from the blind side. Late

862
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: third quarter, cults are down four or next thing you know,

863
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: you look over at the sidelines.

864
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: This is what keeps Kevin bowing up at night.

865
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: Man pats his belly eleven o'clock in the in the

866
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: knops off the bench.

867
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: James eyes from the press box.

868
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: Hey James Wood, you got a story and that's all

869
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: you care about. You got a story.

870
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: I ain't got no story. I'm getting on.

871
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: You got a story applis that night, You've got a

872
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: same meetingless football game to.

873
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 3: That already told me.

874
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: If the game goes to overtime, I will still be

875
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: getting in an.

876
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 2: Uber leads an eighty yard drive and a game winner

877
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 2: to ride off into the Fair Hope, Alabama sunset.

878
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: Hop about thirty yard drive six yards.

879
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: Cap Ballard, five year extension, stike In five year extension,

880
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: fifteen play drive, Rivers lifetime contract.

881
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: Did you really didn't say pat his belly? I mean,

882
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 4: come on, man, R yeah, R boy.

883
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: I try to pat Nelly's belly about thirty times last

884
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 2: night to get her a fall back sleep.

885
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: When when we're looking at this thing six months from now,

886
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: what what do we How does the story play out?

887
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: It was a great feel good story, amazing to watch

888
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: his high school kids watching a guy throw for touchdowns

889
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But at the same time, what kind

890
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: of was what it was? I mean, you're just looking

891
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: at it from a pure football perspective. It wasn't like

892
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: an overwhelming performance.

893
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 4: It's a funny footnote in an otherwise bad season. That's

894
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 4: kind of how I look at it now. Respect to Philip,

895
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 4: loved everything he brought.

896
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: To the team.

897
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 5: Inspiring.

898
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was expiring to a degree.

899
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I think in the grand

900
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: scheme of things, six months from now, we will not

901
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 4: be talking about that. We'll be talking about who's here,

902
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 4: who's not. Regarding the head coach, GM and quarterback for

903
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 4: that matter.

904
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: Also was wondering what's Riley Leonard thinking when they bring

905
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: him in for the hill Mary the other day like, Oh,

906
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: this is I get it, this is my job now.

907
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: Hey, shouts are right.

908
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: He corked that thing, they did, That's why they brought

909
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: it up.

910
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 4: When I saw Ali Pierce down there, fir split Trust

911
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 4: was like, oh this is game.

912
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah at Jacksonville, dB made a nice play on it.

913
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah to locate in and pick that ball off there.

914
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: Again, though, when you talk about I go back to

915
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: what we've said at the very top of the show.

916
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: Sports is just everything is hanging by a thread. And

917
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: you think of the entire year for Indiana sports, whether

918
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: it's you know, the first half of the season for

919
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: the Colts and where they are now, whether it's Philip

920
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: Rivers coming out of retirement to throw a couple of

921
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: touchdown passes out after not playing for five years, whether

922
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: it's the Indiana fever, going within one game of going

923
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: to the WNBA Finals without Caitlin Clark for most of

924
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: the year, the Game seven situation for the Pacers and

925
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: Tyrese Holliburton, the catch made at the back of the

926
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: end zone by Omar Cooper, the comeback against Iowa and

927
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: getting off the mat and responding at Oregon. All those

928
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: things lead us to where we are. And it's all moments,

929
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: and the big moments have belonged to Indiana and Fernanda Mendoza.

930
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: This year, we got to count down three two one, right,

931
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: we can still got that out on.

932
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: The list, Still got that on the list.

933
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: Sports stories of the year here locally, we'll get to

934
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: three to two and one here at some point on

935
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: this New Year's Eve Show, Rose Bowl Eve Shows. We're

936
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 2: calling it not the New Year's Eve Show, the Rose

937
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: Bowl Eve Show.

938
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: That's exactly what we're doing. Caleb coming up in just

939
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: a few minutes.

940
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 2: By the way, is it true about Mike Wells really

941
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: leading the Brownsburg Band in the parade tomorrow as the

942
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: baton twirling coach.

943
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: That should be? I don't know I just should be

944
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: does he put on the short shorts for that?

945
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: I think it's true. I think he's like doing the.

946
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: Mike Wells in short shorts.

947
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: He's doing the twirling.

948
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: Can you find fire on the end of each baton?

949
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 2: Wells with his poncho on carrying the water bottles around

950
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: to squeeze him in the kid's mouth.

951
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: Oh man, Caleb, take us to break. We'll talk to

952
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: Steven holder In about a huge part of the parade

953
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: in ninety's culture are on seven and one and now

954
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: they will play out the string on Sunday against the

955
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: Houston Texans and just trying to break a six game

956
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: losing streak on the way out of die. And there

957
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: are so many questions, and we seem to say this

958
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: every year, but Kevin Bowen, is this one of the

959
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: biggest off seasons in the ministry of the Indianapolis cults?

960
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: Are we just saying that every year? Now?

961
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: That's actually a good question.

962
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do feel like we say it annually. I

963
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: don't think I can call it that when you don't

964
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: have a first round pick, like when you had the

965
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: fourth overall pick. I mean, that's a monumental decision to

966
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: potentially shaping or reshaping your franchise. Obviously it didn't work out,

967
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean it could very well be obviously

968
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: if you change leadership. But you know, from a roster

969
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: building standpoint, the fact that you won't draft until whatever

970
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 2: forty nine overall is a little different.

971
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 7: Yeah.

972
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: Let's ask our next guest, Stephen Holder covers the Colts

973
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: and has done so for quite some time. He works

974
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: at a ESPN dot com and he joins us on

975
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: the payless Lickers hotline right now. Good morning, Steven. Ask

976
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: you the same question we were just talking about. Are

977
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: the Colts about to face their biggest off season in

978
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: a long long time or do we just say that

979
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: every year?

980
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 5: Now it does feel like we say that a lot.

981
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 5: Will I will admit that is true. Every season is

982
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 5: or every off season feels like a pivotal off season,

983
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 5: a big off season. I don't know that this is

984
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 5: necessarily the case this year unless there are changes. I

985
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 5: think that is maybe what is influencing that phrasing. That's

986
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 5: probably what's happening there because people are interested in whatever

987
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 5: decision gets made. And I think the other thing that

988
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 5: goes hand in hand with that is that there is

989
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 5: new leadership, So we're not entirely sure how the decision

990
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 5: gets made because different people are making the decision. So

991
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 5: I think in that respect, it's a different off season.

992
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's there, you know, biggest off

993
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 5: season or pivotal off season, but it's a different off

994
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 5: season for sure.

995
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 4: So Steven, I know you have been in the battle

996
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 4: online about how this could be a little more nuanced

997
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 4: and fire everybody, bring everybody back. But in the case

998
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 4: of Chris Ballard, the debate that we've had here on

999
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 4: the show is how much do you weigh this one

1000
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 4: season twenty twenty five versus the nine seasons overall that

1001
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 4: have kind of led up to this point. So if

1002
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 4: you had to put it on a scale or give

1003
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 4: it a percentage, is it eighty twenty, is it seventy

1004
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 4: thirty versus the nine years and the one year?

1005
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 5: Well, it's a hard question. I think I would say this,

1006
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 5: and this is not entirely your question, but if you're

1007
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 5: the Colts, I realized that jim Irsay is no longer

1008
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 5: with us, and he is the one who ultimately decided

1009
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 5: things last year. But I'm just but just you know,

1010
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 5: hair me out. If you're the Colts, and you you

1011
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 5: were satisfied or at least willing to move forward with

1012
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 5: Chris Staler last year. I don't know what changed this

1013
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 5: year that would make you say I hate this guy,

1014
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 5: because in fact, as much as people don't want to

1015
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 5: acknowledge this, this was one of his best years. I

1016
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 5: will listen. People can boycott me. They can, they can

1017
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 5: hop horns at me, they can do whatever the hell

1018
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 5: they want. It's true. He actually did everything that the

1019
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 5: fans had been asking him to do all along. He

1020
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 5: was more aggressive in free agency. On defense, for sure.

1021
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 5: They they got the quarterback largely right until he wasn't

1022
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 5: available anymore. And the sauce gardener trade, even though a

1023
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 5: lot of people have turned it on, they turned it

1024
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 5: around and made it as a negative against Chris Ballard.

1025
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 5: That's the kind of move people said he never made, right.

1026
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 5: So I'm not saying that that's the reason to keep them.

1027
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 5: All I'm saying is if you, if you as an organization,

1028
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 5: we're with him last year, Well, this was the new

1029
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 5: and improved Chris Ballard this year. So what changed? Right?

1030
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 5: I think That's why I think if you're going to

1031
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 5: fire him and just say, look, we need a change,

1032
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 5: of course, and we're going to do that. I don't

1033
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 5: think it has It can't be about this year for me.

1034
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're firing somebody based on this year,

1035
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 5: then you're you're a ridiculous organization and you don't know

1036
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 5: what the hell you're doing. That's how I feel.

1037
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: Steven Holder with us here on the Payloss Liquors hot Line.

1038
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: Good luck to your hurricanes tonight, Steven.

1039
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 5: I appreciate that.

1040
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: I actually do. Actually, I think Miami.

1041
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 5: Almost a new year. It's almost a new year.

1042
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: We hate Ohio State. I mean, I hate Ohio State

1043
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: so much, and I actually think Miami can come to

1044
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: the club.

1045
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: So you got a notre dame guy rooting for your

1046
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: hurricanes tonight. I just want to point that out.

1047
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it's Ohio State. Does anybody root for Ohio

1048
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: State casually?

1049
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: No?

1050
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 5: Listen, listen, Ohio State brings people together for the wrong reason.

1051
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: Man, How where are you going with that?

1052
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: Well said here to close out twenty twenty five, Stevenholder

1053
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 2: with us esped Stephen, did I hear you correct? Earlier

1054
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: in the week? You are and again, let's just I

1055
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: guess assume everybody's brought back you're a little skeptical about

1056
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce returning being a slam dunk.

1057
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 5: Well, just because there's not been momentum on that. And

1058
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 5: I mean it's no secret that this. You know, they

1059
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 5: have this this reality that they are facing coming down

1060
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 5: the pike, and they there's been there's been Let's just

1061
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 5: put it this way. There have been many conversations between

1062
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 5: Alex Pearce's representation and the Colts, and there's not been

1063
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 5: that I'm aware of. There has not been any indication

1064
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 5: that so far that there is a likelihood of this

1065
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 5: getting done. And the reason I say that is because

1066
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 5: the Colts actnowledge that there is going to be a

1067
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 5: very robust market for Alex Pearce. That has that conversation

1068
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 5: has already happened, like, hey, this guy's gonna make a

1069
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 5: lot of money, and we don't know if we are

1070
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 5: in position to do that at wide Receiver this coming year. Now,

1071
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 5: let me be clear, this is kind of the Chris

1072
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 5: Ballard approach. He never gives you a good offer early, Okay,

1073
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 5: So let's just be clear about that. I'm not surprised

1074
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 5: by that, and it wouldn't stun me if again we're

1075
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 5: talking hypothetically if they're brought back. It wouldn't surprise me

1076
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 5: if that. If Chris Ballad is in charge, they changed

1077
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 5: course and at the last minute, final way to get

1078
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 5: it done, because.

1079
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: He has done that before, right, But couldn't they just

1080
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: franchise tag him?

1081
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 5: You could? That is true. I don't know what that

1082
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 5: number is.

1083
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: It would probably be the think it's about twenty six

1084
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: million older.

1085
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 5: I was gonna say upper twenties for sure.

1086
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 1: That's a big number.

1087
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 2: But you know what, I think Pierce's crazy as sounds

1088
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: to some people. I think Pierce is going to sniffle

1089
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: closer to twenty six million, then maybe people realize.

1090
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: I think he turns into a clear cut number one

1091
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Speaker 1: next year.

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Speaker 5: I have no doubt. I actually think he is their

1093
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 5: number one receiver. I don't care if that pisses somebody.

1094
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: Off the spot of yeah, just watch them.

1095
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 5: And here's the thing, there's the rumor mill is already

1096
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 5: turning out there. The teams are very interested. I'm just

1097
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 5: telling you, they're very interested. And I'm with you, KB

1098
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 5: that number, whatever he gets in free agency, if he's

1099
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 5: a completely free agent, I think it's going to stun

1100
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Speaker 5: some people. I really do, because I think there's going

1101
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 5: to be a competition for him and that will drive

1102
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Speaker 5: the number up. So anyway, I'll shut up now, But

1103
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 5: I do think, I do think that the Colts are

1104
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 5: afraid of what that number is going to be and

1105
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 5: whether they are in position to match it.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Holder ESPN dot com covers the Colts shoining us

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Speaker 1: on the pay Liss Liquors hotline this morning. On Sunday,

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Speaker 1: the Colts take on the Texans. Riley Leonard will be

1109
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback. What's the realistic ceiling for what his

1110
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: day looks like?

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00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:02,479
Speaker 9: Oh?

1112
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 5: Boy, I like Riley Leonard even though he even though

1113
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 5: you know he went to Notre Dame. You no, listen,

1114
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 5: I think this is a tough, tough assignment. I mean

1115
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 5: you could not You could not put a rookie quarterback

1116
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 5: in a tougher spot. I don't think you know. Look,

1117
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 5: it's going to be good for him, don't get me wrong,

1118
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 5: but it's kind of like, you know, taking your medicine

1119
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 5: when you're a kid, right, who wants to take that

1120
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 5: gross cough medicine?

1121
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: You know?

1122
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 5: But the alternative is, you know, keep coughing all night,

1123
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 5: so you got to do it. But man, you wish

1124
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 5: it was a better way. You know. It's like where

1125
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 5: are the Jets or the the you know, the Titans

1126
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 5: when you need them, you know. So it's gonna be tough.

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00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 5: I don't know what to expect other than a really

1128
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 5: ugly performance. I don't think this is going to be

1129
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 5: his best work. I think if he I think the

1130
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 5: ceiling or the I think success. Let's put it this way.

1131
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 5: Success would be to have some to have some big plays,

1132
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 5: and to limit like the the big colossal mistakes. That's

1133
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 5: really it. If he does that, then I think he

1134
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 5: was successful.

1135
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 4: Well there you have it from Stephen Holder, the ringing

1136
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 4: endorsement of Roy Leonard.

1137
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: You considered what to say before you said that.

1138
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 4: Damn, I was trying to I was trying to find

1139
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 4: a way to you know him, Yeah, him, It's not.

1140
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 5: About him, it's it's it's what he's facing man.

1141
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: Like I mean, you scored sixteen points with Daniel Jones

1142
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: quarterback and against his defense, right, I know.

1143
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 5: Right, go ass Justin Herbert, you know what I mean?

1144
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 5: Like they made him look mortal at times. I mean,

1145
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 5: although he had great moments in that game. But all

1146
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 5: I'm saying is like that we're saying a super Bowl

1147
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 5: caliber defense right now in Houston. I don't know if

1148
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 5: people are are fully recognizing that. I see a super

1149
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 5: Bowl caliber defense. I don't know if offensively they have enough,

1150
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 5: probably not, but certainly the AFC is wide open. So

1151
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 5: with that defense, it's a game changer, right, It is

1152
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 5: a game changer. If there was ever a team that

1153
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,479
Speaker 5: could go further than you expect because of one side

1154
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 5: of the ball, it's that team, you know. I don't

1155
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 5: think their offense can get them there, but that defense could.

1156
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 5: Who knows. And I know that sounds crazy. I don't

1157
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 5: believe it, but I'm not ruling it out. So that's

1158
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 5: what he's facing.

1159
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 4: I just expect Ry Leonard to have this audio holder

1160
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 4: playing in his ears before he takes the field, just

1161
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 4: up coming Sunday, along with a little DMX, you know.

1162
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 4: And so we'll see if we get some bullets and

1163
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 4: board material after the game. You know, I'm instigating.

1164
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 5: I'm happy to do my part. I'm happy to do

1165
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 5: my part. Okay, Hey, you know James over here.

1166
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, seventy undred yards, three touchdowns, zero picks. That's what

1167
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: Ry Leonard is going to do on Sunday.

1168
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 5: And I'm sure the James won't even mention it next

1169
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 5: week if that does happen, right.

1170
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 4: Oh, no, you know I'll play both sides, baby, how

1171
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 4: that works.

1172
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: Who's the best team in the AFC?

1173
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 5: Man? That is so hard? I think I would say.

1174
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 5: I want to say Denver, but I don't know if

1175
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 5: I believe that. You know, I think I think.

1176
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: The the I watch them every weekend. I don't believe that.

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00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 5: Right, I don't know that I do. I mean, I

1178
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 5: think they're the most complete team. Though, you know, I

1179
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 5: do think they're the most complete team. I think New England,

1180
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 5: while on paper they look really good. Even though I

1181
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 5: have downplayed the arguments about the Colts early season, easy schedule,

1182
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 5: I think that that argument is actually somewhat valid with

1183
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 5: New England because I mean, I don't have they beaten

1184
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 5: how many teams have they beaten with a winning record?

1185
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 5: I think it's too I mean, I'm not whole. I

1186
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 5: wasn't saying that the Colts are are some super Bowl

1187
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 5: team because because they beat bad teams. All I'm saying

1188
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 5: is like, let's not diminish it completely. But here we're

1189
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 5: trying to assess whether this is a super Bowl caliber team.

1190
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 5: And I don't know that we know that with New England.

1191
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 5: You know, well, different conversation.

1192
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: We still think that Josh Allen can pick a team

1193
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 1: up and carry him.

1194
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 5: I don't know. He hasn't been able to so far, right,

1195
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 5: But I mean, they have won eleven games, so I

1196
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 5: keep going back to that, and so I watch them

1197
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I hate this team. You know, every

1198
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 5: time I watch the Bills, I'm like, they are not

1199
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Speaker 5: a good football team. But then I look at it

1200
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 5: and say, well, they want eleven games somehow, and they

1201
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 5: still have the best quarterback who is going to be

1202
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 5: still alive. I think, you know in the playoffs. I

1203
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 5: mean I think we would agree like if you take

1204
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 5: and we'll see if Lamar was at one hundred percent

1205
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 5: and gets in, that be a different conversation. But he's

1206
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 5: not and hasn't played well. Of the quarterbacks that are

1207
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 5: going to be in the playoffs, the guy you're skied

1208
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 5: of is Josh Allen. So I think that that matters

1209
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 5: a lot in this conversation. So they are the biggest

1210
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 5: wild card in the playoffs for me, I think, what

1211
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 5: I have a question, So maybe it's maybe it's them.

1212
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: I just want to point out to everybody in the room,

1213
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: it's interesting that none of us thought to say Jacksonville,

1214
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: who's just on fire right now?

1215
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 5: You know, I mentioned the most complete team with Denver.

1216
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 5: The other alternative for that answer is Jacksonville because what

1217
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 5: they're doing offensively is really impressive. You know, I think

1218
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 5: their defense. Early in the season, we were giving them,

1219
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 5: you know, we were kind of skeptical about them because

1220
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 5: it was like, well, they got a budget, turnovers, that's

1221
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 5: not sustainable. Well they have kind of sustained it, to

1222
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 5: be completely honest, their defense is really solid, and offensively

1223
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 5: they're there. They got something going here, like this is

1224
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 5: this is now, you know, four or five, six weeks

1225
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 5: of a that we've seen them play really good on offense,

1226
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 5: and maybe this is what they are right now. I

1227
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 5: know we're going to be reluctant to truly truly buy

1228
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 5: into Trevor Lawrence. I understand it. I'm like everybody else,

1229
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 5: But at some point it's not just you know, a

1230
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 5: good two or three week stretch. At some point, this

1231
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 5: is what they are. So I don't know if we're

1232
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 5: there yet, but we'll see. I want to see it

1233
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 5: in January. But I like what they're doing. They look

1234
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 5: really good, and that's not a team I want to

1235
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 5: play right now.

1236
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: Always good to talk to Steven, Enjoy your New Year's Eve,

1237
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: whatever that entails, and have fun watching football to Moto.

1238
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 5: All right, I'll see you guys in twenty twenty six.

1239
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: Sounds good, see you next year. How many times we

1240
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: gott to say that over the name?

1241
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: Both of you all cornballs say that is the oldest

1242
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: you've ever sounded in the history of this show. Jeff,

1243
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: I'm afraid. Oh that's saying something right there, Hick and

1244
00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: his Hurricanes tonight Miami and Ohio State. If it's the

1245
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: biggest ringing endorsement, I get where Steve was coming from,

1246
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: but for it to say this is one of the

1247
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: best Chris Ballard years ever.

1248
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 4: Boy, I was thinking I would like to have listeners

1249
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 4: at this time of the show, because.

1250
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: Quickly imatched, I'll take the other side. The hell with that,

1251
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: just for conversation's sake, I'll take the other side. We

1252
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: were all in on him, going all in on saus

1253
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: Gardner when they were playing well and Daniel Jones was

1254
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,959
Speaker 1: healthy and Jonathan Taylor was running all over the rest

1255
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: of the world.

1256
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, and to be fair, I do get what

1257
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 4: he's saying, because he did change his stripes a bit.

1258
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: He did all the things that we asked him to do.

1259
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: But when your team loses sixth straight, possibly seventh straight,

1260
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 4: which would tie a franchise record for the most lost

1261
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 4: his two end of season in a row, it's harked

1262
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 4: me to set up here and say that you did

1263
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 4: a good job.

1264
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 3: I think that that that's.

1265
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: Hard well, and I think it's more of a reflection

1266
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: on the entire resume. I get where Steven is coming from.

1267
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: You know, does this season have maybe more positive moments

1268
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: than any other season he has had so far?

1269
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, since twenty get.

1270
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: You know, twenty eighteen and twenty twenty would be the

1271
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: ones that you would obviously rank up there, if not

1272
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: put above it. But like, okay, so this is the

1273
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: third best season. Let's call it that, just to play

1274
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: out the hypothetical. Okay, it's the third best season of

1275
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: his nine and the season accomplished what goal?

1276
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: What? What goal?

1277
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: Of all the preseason goals? What goal did you cross

1278
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 2: off the list? You won a week one game, hang

1279
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: the banner, didn't make the playoffs, didn't win the division,

1280
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: didn't win a playoff game, didn't win, didn't win in Jacksonville,

1281
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: didn't win late season games. So how much how much

1282
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: cud is where I I it's more of a again,

1283
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: I get where Stevens coming from. And yeah, you could

1284
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: make a case it is the third best ballad season,

1285
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: which to me is more of a damn in reflection

1286
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: on the resume as a whole.

1287
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: Okay, again, to play devil's advocate, just just just to

1288
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: bring the other.

1289
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: Side way with the devil. My mama told me not

1290
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 3: to do that.

1291
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: That's what we do with That's what we do in sports. Literally,

1292
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: four of his five best players were hurt almost boom

1293
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom. Okay, the Forrest Buckner first, Daniel Jones,

1294
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner, We've had Jarious Ward with Shaveria's Ward Mooney

1295
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: with all the concussions there. The big acquisitions that you

1296
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: did make, I mean, who honestly other than than maybe

1297
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 1: Pierce and Pittman who didn't get hurt, that were big time.

1298
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: You're big water carrying players.

1299
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: Taylor Nelson, Yeah, tayl I mean yeah, I mean they're

1300
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 2: obviously a lot of players that also stayed really healthy.

1301
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: Again, I don't think that's the ultimate excuse, but I

1302
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: do think you have to factor that area.

1303
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: There's there's definitely some context with it.

1304
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 5: James.

1305
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: We did the little pie yesterday about how much of

1306
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: it was, and Steven mentioned the first half of the

1307
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 2: schedule versus the second half. You brought up kind of

1308
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: this team's DNA. Is it just kind of in them

1309
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 2: to lose these late season games? You know, I think

1310
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: that's irrelevant as well. So yes, injuries. I again, I'm

1311
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 2: not sweeping injuries and throwing them out the second floor

1312
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: window here. It is a part of the context to

1313
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: this season. Do I think it is an excuse good

1314
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: enough to earn a tenth year?

1315
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: I do not.

1316
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 3: Two things.

1317
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 4: One, I love the windows reference because we only have

1318
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 4: them here in the studio, so I can see outside.

1319
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 3: I can see the sun come up. It's great, And.

1320
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: Where's the sun? And I'm looking for it.

1321
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 3: Look, it's a little brighter out there. I'll put it

1322
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 3: like and when I drove in.

1323
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 4: But secondly, and more importantly, I go back to the

1324
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 4: point that you made, Kevin, A lot of our listeners

1325
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 4: have made. If you had other things on your resume,

1326
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 4: it would be easier to swallow this season.

1327
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: Ye, San Francisco is the reference, so you brought up yesterday.

1328
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: I think James obviously San Francisco this year had I

1329
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 2: would argue more injuries and obviously exceeded where you're at

1330
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: from a record standpoint. But San Francisco, if this season

1331
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: would have bottomed out for them like it did for

1332
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 2: the Colts, they have multiple Super Bowl appearances, they have

1333
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: multiple playoff wins, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

1334
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: Seems like John Lynch is always making the right.

1335
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: Move, whereas Chris Baward's resume does not have that. And

1336
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: you know, my question again becomes, when do we just

1337
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: kind of cross off the injuries. Like Daniel Jones's history

1338
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: is not finishing seasons. So if Daniel Jones and the

1339
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: Colts have the same season next year, do we use

1340
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: the injury excuse?

1341
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: Again?

1342
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: What happens if Jonathan Taylor has normal running back health?

1343
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: What if he misses a month month and a half, Like,

1344
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: do we do we continue to use this card or not?

1345
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: And again you're asking for big injuries to flip. I mean,

1346
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 2: we're talking torn achilles for Daniel Jones, We're talking next

1347
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: surgery for a thirty one year old DeForest Buckner. We're

1348
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: talking Mooney Ward already debating retirement before he suffered another concussion.

1349
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: To me, these are not snap your fingers and Jonathan

1350
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 2: Taylor just needs to rest from his ankle and he'll

1351
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: be fine. These are some big injuries.

1352
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 4: Are you in that situation? It was the ankle in

1353
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 4: a big bag of money that helped him.

1354
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, all right.

1355
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna reference a poll to your readers at one

1356
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: of seventy five the fan dot com and on social media, Kevin,

1357
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: that you took same pole in twenty twenty four as

1358
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: you did this past week in twenty twenty five. Compare

1359
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: those results about what we're talking about. We'll do that

1360
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: in a minute, but right now, kayleb, let's check it down.

1361
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve. That means tomorrow is New Year's Day.

1362
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: It's the game and the day we've been waiting for.

1363
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: If you're a college football fan here in the state

1364
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: and you don't bleed Purdue colors, you're excited about tomorrow's

1365
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: game between Indiana and Alabama, the Rose Bowl. That one

1366
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: starts at four pm with a kick three pm coverage

1367
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: Right here at ninety three five one oh seven five

1368
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: the Fan with Don Fisher and the Gang, and of

1369
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: course a chance to advance to the College Football Playoff

1370
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: semi finals on the line and undefeated season so far

1371
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: for the Indiana Hoosiers.

1372
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 4: James doesn't seem real, but it is indeed going to happen,

1373
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 4: and I you is heavily favored, and rightfully.

1374
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: So you talk about Kevin that that's spread. It's a

1375
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: touchdown favorite for Indiana over Alabama. And Kaylen de Boor

1376
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: who's got some ties here at Indiana, a couple of

1377
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: coaches on his staff also some ties to Indiana, and

1378
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: of course Kurt Signetti with ties to Alabama. He was

1379
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: part of the early national championship run with Nick Saban

1380
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: when he spent four seasons there.

1381
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: Had a laugh at this sick answer yesterday, asked by

1382
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: Chris Hagen about the Alabama brand if you will, and

1383
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: in true Kurt Signetti fashion, he shared this, you probably.

1384
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: Know more about them, stick than they do. I mean,

1385
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: our guys just know what they see on tape.

1386
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: Short, sweet to the point from Kurt Signetti. Yeah, the

1387
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: brand of Alabama a little different than this product here,

1388
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: and I full expect Indiana win by two scores.

1389
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: Do you believe that Kurt Signetti was able to get

1390
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: his team hungry and humble again after the win of

1391
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: the Big Ten championship game.

1392
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Is Signetti on the

1393
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: damn podium inside of Lukosolo Stadium. That was one of

1394
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: the first.

1395
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: Things he mentioned.

1396
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: He's just a he's a different cat, dude, He's a

1397
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean, we debate this in the NFL more than college,

1398
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 2: the CEO versus the offensive play caller. If you will

1399
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: tell you what kurtz Signetti defines football ceo.

1400
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: Man, it's gonna be a fun day tomorrow again, first

1401
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: game of the day will start at noon and we've

1402
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: got actually later on tonight. It's gonna be a lot

1403
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: of fun. We've got some playoff brackets coming your way

1404
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: this evening, at least one football game. And of all these,

1405
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: aside from Indiana, of these four quarterfinal games, which one

1406
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: are you looking forward.

1407
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 4: To the most, Chaps, Probably one tonight looking forward to

1408
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 4: Ohio State Miami just because of the history there between

1409
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 4: those programs. I believe Jeremiah Smith is Miami native, So

1410
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 4: there's been a lot to talk about. Had Miami been

1411
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 4: better when he was coming up to the high school

1412
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 4: ranks would have gone there. I think he actually said

1413
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 4: he would have. So just curious to see how that unfolds.

1414
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 4: And also they're trying to rebound from their first loss

1415
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 4: of the season, which was to IU in that Big

1416
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 4: Ten championship.

1417
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 5: Yep.

1418
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: And of course tonight seven point thirty Miami Ohio State.

1419
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: That will be the Cotton Bowl. Tomorrow at noon, Oregon

1420
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: Texas Tech that'll be the Orange Bowl, followed by the

1421
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl with Alabama Indiana and the night Cap which

1422
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: you will also here at ninety three five one h

1423
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: seveny five of the fan uh, Georgia and Old Miss.

1424
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: It's down to the big boys and the big programs.

1425
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: I do have to laugh at that Old Miss game.

1426
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: So you're telling me you've got six coaches on the

1427
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: Old Miss sideline that are coaching LSU and the transfer

1428
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 2: portals opening up on Friday.

1429
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: Welcome to twenty twenty five.

1430
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that it's worn yesterday, folks, But oh boy,

1431
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 2: can you imagine what those conversations have been like.

1432
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 4: So, I mean, I don't we gotta get to break,

1433
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 4: but like, can someone explain why that is even allowed

1434
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 4: when there was such a big uproar about the coach staying,

1435
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 4: I mean this is just okay with that.

1436
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 3: I mean, that's it's it's a weird situation.

1437
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: I think if you're the old miss ad, it's a

1438
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 2: really difficult situation. You have your best football team in years.

1439
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: You obviously want them to try and something here in

1440
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: the playoff. Yeah, you want some sort of continuity. But

1441
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: then the weird elephant in the room is LSU's nil

1442
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 2: looks a little different than your nil. And how many

1443
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: of these dudes are gonna be wearing an LSU jersey

1444
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: next year?

1445
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: I know by the way you play for as early

1446
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: as front.

1447
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 3: Till I'm sam.

1448
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 4: I like you guys threw a fit for lang Kiff

1449
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 4: and trying to coach his team. I'll just send my

1450
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 4: minions to do it and recruit for me, all right.

1451
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 4: Very weird college basketball. Last night Creighton a winner over

1452
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 4: Butler eighty nine to eighty five. Bulldogs dropped a ten

1453
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 4: and four they play against Saturday against Villa Nova.

1454
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: Was a nice game for Michael Lajai. He had sixteen

1455
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: points and thirteen rebounds. Johann Treire had twenty points to

1456
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: lead the way. NBA tonight Pacers had really this afternoon

1457
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: at home against the Orlando Magic. Our coverage starts at

1458
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: three pm here at ninety three five and one of

1459
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: something five the fan Kevin trying to snap a nine

1460
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: game losing streak this afternoon.

1461
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 2: It's two checkdowns. Now you've bypassed Notre Dame basketball.

1462
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 3: That will not sit well with me.

1463
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: God do that? Did I do that again?

1464
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 7: James?

1465
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 4: You need to do that some That basketball, you know,

1466
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 4: set the country back three.

1467
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: And a half point under dog the Pacers. So again,

1468
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 2: there have been many of these games this season where

1469
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: like the opponent is also missing some notable players, Franz

1470
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 2: Wagner being the guy for the Magic in this one.

1471
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,439
Speaker 2: We'll see about Jalen Suggs. I think he's been banged

1472
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 2: up as well. Shout out to usband Bane. We'll see

1473
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: how many people make the truck over I seventy to

1474
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 2: come and watch Desmond Bay. Now he's in the Eastern Conference,

1475
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 2: so he makes I think a couple appearances inside the

1476
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: game with Star Yeah seating Catholic out there so get

1477
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 2: health wives. Ben Shephard potentially could be back. I think

1478
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 2: McConnell's questionable. You're getting a little bit healthier, But damn

1479
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: you need to win.

1480
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 5: Boy.

1481
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 2: I hate to use the word slumpbuster on New Year's

1482
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: Eve because that could lead to quite a few issues.

1483
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 1: Have any suggestions.

1484
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 2: The Pacers certainly need one, and we'll see if they

1485
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: can find it the matinee game here at three o'clock

1486
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 2: this afternoon.

1487
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: James got any slump busting suggestions?

1488
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 4: Play some defense. I feel like they have not done

1489
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 4: that for a month. I thought you say wrap.

1490
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: It up Colts at Texas on Sunday. The Colts have

1491
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: lost six straight games. Rydary another version of defense at

1492
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: quarterback coming up in a moment.

1493
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 2: We'll talk more about hill River's joking there somewhere, and

1494
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna let it set.

1495
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl Tomorrow. We'll get to the text line for

1496
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: the first time today. Two three nine ten seventy. You

1497
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: can also call us up. We've got something to say.

1498
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: Two three, nineteen seventy, same number. It's all next to

1499
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: ninety three, five and seven the fan. I want to

1500
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: get a shout out to Caleb Zuma. You've done a

1501
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: fantastic job filling in for the ever vacationing Mark Dyton. Well,

1502
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: I think it's supposed to be back on Monday. Is

1503
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: he not? That is correct?

1504
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 6: My run behind the Board ends on Friday, hopefully recapping

1505
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 6: an Indiana win.

1506
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 2: Great New Year's Eve anthem right here at Caleb Zueber,

1507
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: thank you very much for a little liver your life.

1508
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,799
Speaker 6: I'll try to keep it going. I know you like Kesha.

1509
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 6: I found that out last month. You know that was

1510
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 6: the whole thing on this show.

1511
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 2: So uh t I I can get behind it?

1512
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: Blow, Yeah we all can. Right, Yeah, you're young and single?

1513
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: What's your New Year's Eve look like today? Do you

1514
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: know I was single? I don't know. Are you? I am? Well,

1515
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: you're not married, I don't know, You're not where.

1516
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 2: It's like from the top Broe.

1517
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: That makes me look like I'm saying, oh, you're not

1518
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: wearing a wedding ring for one.

1519
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 10: While, so you're not like you know, it's man man

1520
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 10: coming in here, Bill's Mafia jumping on a table style?

1521
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 5: Right? Question?

1522
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: Is you have a big New Year's Eve line up?

1523
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 2: Uh?

1524
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 6: Well, being from Ohio, I feel like I should be

1525
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 6: watching the game tonight so that that's what it's gonna be.

1526
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 6: I'm not really sure what the plan is for me

1527
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 6: doing it, But so.

1528
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,560
Speaker 1: You were not enjoying our little Ohio State.

1529
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 6: No, and I wasn't gonna chip in because uh, you know,

1530
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 6: I don't know, just wanted to keep it, keep it

1531
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 6: in quiet.

1532
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I am an Ohio State football fan.

1533
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a lunatic. I'm not a lunatic, but I

1534
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 1: do all say that they do and.

1535
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 6: I and I can understand why people get frustrated with

1536
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 6: Ohio State fans.

1537
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: But I'm looking forward to tonight.

1538
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 2: It should be fun.

1539
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: What about you, James, I.

1540
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 4: Have no idea what my life looks like after this show.

1541
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not gonna go to like practice. I

1542
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 4: gotta finish up a story pretty normal, honestly, I'm you know,

1543
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 4: I'm not a big go out party person anyways, but

1544
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 4: I'll definitely lock it into the game tonight and then

1545
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 4: trying to check in with the family and all of that.

1546
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 3: So that's about it for my world.

1547
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: All right, Let's check the text line two three nine

1548
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: ten seventy on this New.

1549
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 4: Year's getting hitched to Caleb by the way, you know,

1550
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 4: make sure I lock it down and become you know,

1551
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 4: because only the only way you're a single and Jeff's

1552
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 4: lively if you don't have a ring on that finger.

1553
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: So also through previous conversations, I may have deducted data.

1554
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: Oh okay, we're talking about me behind my back. No,

1555
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: you don't have just had conversations in the past.

1556
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 3: You're yourself a grave. Jeff's got to get out.

1557
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 2: Yes, we would buy New Year's Eve plans, maybe.

1558
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: Because they're probably a lot like mine.

1559
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: Maybe I about the all in one pass to go

1560
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 2: to the red room, climb up both steps tonight, and

1561
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: we're hanging out with the kids tonight. Champagne toasted midnight, Maddie,

1562
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 2: you got the kids. I'll be out and about.

1563
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: Good luck with that. See how that goes on Friday

1564
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 1: when you get back right, Uh two seventy In the

1565
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: text line Ricky, Yeah, checking in Ballard should have been

1566
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: fired years ago. But this roster is not that bad.

1567
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: Equal or lesser rosters have won divisions, playoff games, etc.

1568
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 1: What metric or data suggests stikeens as a good head coach.

1569
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: He soon to be two and ten against Houston Jacksonville.

1570
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: I believe he's three and fourteen against teams over five

1571
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: one hundred in the last two and a half seasons.

1572
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: He consistently mismanages late game situations, the lack of quarterback consistency.

1573
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: Didn't he sign off on Ar. He can't scheme around

1574
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: any quarterback but rivers while his counterparts do so on

1575
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,879
Speaker 1: a regular basis, traits of a good offensive coordinator. Maybe

1576
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: he is the head coach and not a good one.

1577
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: I'll have to say from Ricky right there, James.

1578
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot to break down.

1579
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 4: I will say, I think that Shane has done a

1580
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,759
Speaker 4: decent job given the quarterback situations that he's had. Now, yes,

1581
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 4: I will co sign the He was on board with

1582
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,839
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson being drafted here. I don't want to gloss

1583
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 4: over that. I know some fans or even some media

1584
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,839
Speaker 4: members are saying, oh, that was a Jim Mersey decision,

1585
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 4: not necessarily, not fully. The reason why Shane was even

1586
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 4: brought in to begin with was because the knew they

1587
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 4: were going to draft the quarterback young and they were

1588
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 4: going to have to develop him, and the idea was

1589
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 4: Shane can help develop Ar and they were all on

1590
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 4: board with this. So this is not something that was

1591
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 4: just done by the late Jim Mersey. However, when you

1592
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 4: look at what he did with Gardner, Minshew, Joe Flacco

1593
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 4: and obviously this year, given this, the fact that you're

1594
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 4: from Daniel Jones, the Philip Rivers and now Riley Leonard.

1595
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to say like he

1596
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 4: isn't necessarily a good play call or offensive mind, it's

1597
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 4: just all the other stuff that goes around with it,

1598
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 4: you know, the leader of man aspect of it. Can

1599
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 4: your team not fold under pressure? Can you win games

1600
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 4: you're not supposed to. I think that's always a measure

1601
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 4: that you've kind of brought up, Kevin. Of even when

1602
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 4: Frank Wright got fired, there was always a couple of

1603
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 4: games every year where we looked at Frank Raichen said, Okay,

1604
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 4: that was a game you weren't supposed to win on

1605
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 4: paper or in Vegas, but you got it done.

1606
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1607
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: I've always found it as a head coach to be

1608
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: very mid Kevin. I think he's the worst head coach

1609
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 1: in the NFL.

1610
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 3: I think something he's in zee Lingo here.

1611
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 2: On the I do sound of like the oldest dude

1612
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 2: in the world was Stephen Holder. It's saying see you

1613
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: next year to sounded like the hippos dude in all

1614
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 2: of carm I.

1615
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: Steal that from my senior in high school. Who uses

1616
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:11,959
Speaker 1: that phrase constantly.

1617
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: Look at that.

1618
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I find Shane Stikeen as a head coach

1619
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: to be very average.

1620
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: Well he's twenty five and twenty five, but there's nothing.

1621
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: Very Rarely do I watch a game where I just go,

1622
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: I see if you play calls, sometimes like oh that

1623
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: was really cool. And then I see some to the

1624
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: point a moment ago by Ricky like this management of

1625
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: game situations. I see quite a bit. Sometimes he's not

1626
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: the best, he's not the worst. What do you do

1627
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: with a guy?

1628
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: I think one of the things I struggle with Stiching

1629
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: and the evaluation is how much blame does he deserve

1630
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 2: for the defense?

1631
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: None? Some He's ahead all of this. At some point

1632
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: it comes to your desk, doesn't it.

1633
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 2: Do you blame personnel?

1634
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, because who are your edge rushers?

1635
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 9: Ever?

1636
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 2: So again, personnel would not fall necessarily on him. That

1637
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 2: would fall a little bit more Ballard related. Uh So

1638
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 2: I think that.

1639
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 1: Don't they do that as a team though? Kind of?

1640
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 2: I look at nine years of roster building for Ballard,

1641
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 2: and you know, I think got superseds. You know, three

1642
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 2: years here of stiking You know, again, when we individually

1643
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 2: evaluate him, I'm you know, don't hold my feet to

1644
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 2: the fire to these grades. But I think James, we

1645
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 2: talked about this, if you individually, individually evaluate each coach

1646
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 2: so far, I would give or each person Ballard and Stiking.

1647
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 2: I'd give Ballad about a D minus. I give Stiching

1648
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 2: about a C minus. You know, if you just want

1649
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 2: to slot letter grades onto it, you know, the most

1650
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 2: damning I think is the two in whatever, two and

1651
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 2: nine against Houston and Jacksonville. We'll see obviously what what

1652
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 2: Sunday brings. Offensively, I think he's done a fine job.

1653
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: I don't I think the over criticism quarterback why yeah Richardson, James,

1654
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 2: you you laid it out pretty well. But again, what

1655
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 2: they're able to do with Minshew, what they're able to

1656
01:15:56,360 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 2: do with Daniel Jones, of course, uh, that's really attractive,

1657
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 2: and how you look at him though as a head coach.

1658
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 2: You know it just I think there's so much responsibility

1659
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the ball when you're the

1660
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 2: play caller, and given the Colts quarterback situation, I would

1661
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,759
Speaker 2: argue they have even more of it. Like Sean mcvayh

1662
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: doesn't have to babysit. Matthew Stafford all week long. Kyle

1663
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 2: Shanahan probably doesn't have to babysit Rock Purty all week long.

1664
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 2: Andy Reid with Mahomes, et cetera, et cetera. The Colts

1665
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 2: quarterback situation seconds had a babysit it, And so I

1666
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: think so much attention has to be given to that

1667
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 2: position in that offensive room that I think sometimes you

1668
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,719
Speaker 2: just lose sight of whatever the pulse of the entire team.

1669
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 2: You know, again, some of the defensive changes that maybe

1670
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 2: needed to happen. Maybe you're demanded more from Gus Bradley

1671
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 2: last year, for example, in needing some changes schematically, even

1672
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 2: though that goes against kind of Gus's m there. So

1673
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 2: you know, these are all things where you know, Carli

1674
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 2: Ors Gordon's gonna have to look at it. And you know,

1675
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 2: I think I said it earlier in the week. I'd

1676
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 2: probably fire ballot and let the new GM evaluate psych

1677
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 2: in from there. The arranged marriages rarely work in the NFL,

1678
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 2: but I think Steikan has at least earned the right

1679
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 2: to get to that point in the evaluation process.

1680
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: We'll switch up and talk to Indiana here Zionsville. Chris

1681
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: sent us a video that I was checking out a

1682
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: few moments ago that says Indiana historically is terrific analytically,

1683
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: and this YouTube video points out that the data is

1684
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 1: unequivocal Indiana's historically great team. Before breaking down the matchup,

1685
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: it's crucial to understand what the computer models are saying.

1686
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: The undefeated Hoosiers aren't just the number one team. They

1687
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: rank among the best teams of the entire college football

1688
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:46,799
Speaker 1: Playoff era. ESPN overall team efficiency rates them at ninety

1689
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: four point three. That's the third best since twenty twenty,

1690
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: behind only twenty Alabama and twenty one Georgia. The ESPN

1691
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 1: Football Power Index gave them a twenty eight point nine

1692
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: that's the highest since Georgia in twenty twenty two, higher

1693
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 1: than Michigan in twenty twenty three. Strength of record number

1694
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 1: one reflects the chance of overage top twenty five team

1695
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,799
Speaker 1: or an hour an average top twenty five team would

1696
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: have fared against that schedule, so historically, some of the

1697
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: numbers you break down, Deep Analytics said Indiana is an

1698
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: incredible football team.

1699
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 4: James, I'll take the data for what it's worth, but

1700
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 4: I'm just ready for the game at this point. I

1701
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 4: didn't discredit them all season. I mean, well, I'll take

1702
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 4: that back. I discredited them with they played mylnein and

1703
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 4: then when they curb stomp them, I didn't discredit them

1704
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 4: anymore the rest of the way. So yeah, I think

1705
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 4: now it's all about, Okay, you're past all of the

1706
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 4: feel good story part of it and the underdog part

1707
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 4: of it. Now your top dog, and can you kind

1708
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 4: of finish off what has been truly one of the

1709
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 4: most remarkable turnarounds we've seen ever in the history of sports,

1710
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 4: whether it's college football or otherwise. And I get even

1711
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 4: if they don't win a national championship, I still would

1712
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 4: consider it a crazy turnaround and one of the best

1713
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 4: we've ever seen. But that is what you're reaching for now,

1714
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 4: and it's not necessarily Again, last year, if you had

1715
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 4: won a playoff game, we kind of would have been like, oh, man,

1716
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 4: like you really got it done. You upset somebody. Now

1717
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 4: other teams looking to upset you, which is such a

1718
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 4: unique situation for.

1719
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 3: You IU to be in.

1720
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 4: But hats off to Signetti and Random Mendoza for changing

1721
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 4: that program.

1722
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think when we were talking about analytics earlier,

1723
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: we were doing it specifically in the context of Fernando Mendez,

1724
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: who doesn't have, you know, some of the prototypical huge

1725
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: numbers that prior Heisman Trophy winners have had in terms of,

1726
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 1: you know, incredible number of touchdowns thrown and yards thrown

1727
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,879
Speaker 1: for and things like that. But pointing out again, nobody

1728
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: in college football met bigger moments, more consistently and with

1729
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: greater success than Fernando Mendoza this year. That's why he

1730
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: won the Heisman Trophy.

1731
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 2: I mean again, the two most consistent aspects of Indiana

1732
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 2: football team. I'll continue to say it. They run it

1733
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 2: well and they stop it well, and they do that

1734
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 2: better than arguably anybody in college football. And that's why

1735
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 2: I think they'll win by a couple scores. Coming up tomorrow,

1736
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a.

1737
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: Lot of fun to talk about. We'll talk more about

1738
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: it and take some more of your feedback at two, three,

1739
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: nine and ten seventy. Coming up in a moment, Rick

1740
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: Carlisle stops by in just under an hour from now

1741
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: at nine thirty. Stay tuned for that. It's the Fan

1742
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: Morning Show in a New Year's Eve ninety three five

1743
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: and one O seven five of the Fan. I thought

1744
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: you'd be up and moving on that one.

1745
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 5: JB.

1746
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 4: Hey, man, you can't be You got to let things

1747
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 4: happen naturally organically. Jeff, Okay, I just.

1748
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: Thought that I expected that that one will get you

1749
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: up and going right there.

1750
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 5: That's all really.

1751
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 6: That one's for our listeners who keep reporting that our

1752
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 6: stream is repeating every you.

1753
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: Know, Hey, we're working on it. We are. That's what's

1754
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: gonna drive me to retirement, make me an old man.

1755
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: It's going better.

1756
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 6: It's going better though it has like it used to

1757
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 6: be like five minutes into the show. Now it's about

1758
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 6: like an hour and a half, so we're making progress there.

1759
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: Also, surely I listened to All Day in the car

1760
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: for two days in a row and didn't seem to

1761
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: have major problems. There's a couple more there you go

1762
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: audio file problems that I had, but other than that,

1763
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 1: I yeah, that.

1764
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 2: Was right on the little replay action the rest of

1765
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 2: the show. Man, like I am celebrating New Year's here

1766
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 2: at eight forty nine in the morning. Apologies, I know

1767
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 2: it's super frustrating for listeners out there, so hopefully we'll

1768
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 2: get things figured out as quick as possible. I know

1769
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 2: it's been a big, big issue here over the last night.

1770
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: I think the frustrating is it's out of a lot

1771
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:23,799
Speaker 1: of our control.

1772
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's for sure, but that's obviously Yeah. No,

1773
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't help any It doesn't matter to any of

1774
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: our listeners out there that are trying to be as

1775
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 2: low as possible. So apologies there, and hopefully the new

1776
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 2: year will bring smoothness there.

1777
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 1: I hope so too.

1778
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 7: Ah.

1779
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Speaker 1: I know you guys talked about this a little bit yesterday.

1780
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 1: I didn't have a chance to participate, but you ran

1781
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: an interesting comparison of a poll that you ran at

1782
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: the end of the year in twenty twenty four for

1783
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: the Colts and who should be retained and what people

1784
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: wanted as opposed to where we're at in twenty twenty five.

1785
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: What was your big takeaway from that?

1786
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the results, I guess, percentage wise, weren't

1787
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 2: that that different. There are four choices. What do you

1788
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 2: want Colts fans, no changes, you fire both, you fire

1789
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:09,560
Speaker 2: just Ballard, you fire just stik In the no changes,

1790
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: I guess has actually grown five percent to nine percent.

1791
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 2: I mean, not overwhelming, but has grown. The fire both

1792
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 2: of them has dropped from forty two percent last year

1793
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: to thirty one the firing of Just Ballard has increased

1794
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 2: fifty two to fifty nine, firing Just Stike in one

1795
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: percent each of those years.

1796
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: So so to be clear, six out of ten respondents

1797
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: to that poll want Chris Ballard gone.

1798
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think right around four thousand people chimed

1799
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Speaker 2: in on it. So yeah, obviously last year you had

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Speaker 2: what ninety percent if you added up, wanted some change

1801
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 2: and you got none of it. This year that number

1802
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 2: is once again right around ninety percent, and we will

1803
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 2: await Sunday or Monday to find out exactly if there

1804
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 2: will be any changes. James, I know a lot of

1805
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 2: people brought up the carl or Say Gordon quote. We

1806
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 2: touched a little bit on the Jordan rod Rieg feature

1807
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 2: from The Athletic, you know, big in the Athletic, And

1808
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 2: one of the juicier quotes I think people were asking

1809
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 2: about yesterday was and I'm paraphrasing here, if you have

1810
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 2: a quote in front of you, go ahead and read it,

1811
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: pull it up, basically something to the effect of, you know,

1812
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: change can be healthy, change can be good. People are

1813
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 2: scared of change, and to read it for you, Yeah, yeah,

1814
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 2: here's Carly ERSA Gordon. This was a few days before

1815
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 2: the Week.

1816
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 4: Fourteen loss in Jacksonville where Daniel towards Achilles. So just

1817
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 4: some context there. Most people don't like change. I think

1818
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 4: there's something wrong with me, but I feel like it

1819
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 4: is one thing that is a guarantee.

1820
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:44,759
Speaker 3: I think it can be exciting.

1821
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 4: Not much to feel excited about, I will say, going

1822
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 4: into this offseason, but.

1823
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 2: I know that got fans on the we need to

1824
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 2: make change boat excited. Do you read that quote and

1825
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: feel that way for those people?

1826
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is change doesn't scare me.

1827
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 4: I didn't read it like that necessarily, Jeff. I, Well,

1828
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,759
Speaker 4: I'll say it like this. I'll see it through two lenses. One, yes,

1829
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 4: change probably doesn't scare her. But it's easier to say

1830
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 4: that when your team at that point in time wasn't

1831
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 4: unrathering like it is now.

1832
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1833
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 4: Like, I wonder if you could ask her right now

1834
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 4: today about change, what would the answer be, because it

1835
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,799
Speaker 4: seems much more likely than it did back in Week fourteen.

1836
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 4: Week fourteen, Achilles is still intact. You win that game

1837
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 4: in Jacksonville, you're probably going to the playoffs. You lose,

1838
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:37,959
Speaker 4: quarterback goes down.

1839
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,799
Speaker 3: Go on to skid saw. Its gets hurt, the forest

1840
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 3: gets hurt.

1841
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 4: Like everything changes, So now why do you feel about

1842
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 4: making bigger changes because of that? That's where I'm at

1843
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 4: with it. But I do think there is on a

1844
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 4: whole lot to reach back to in regard to Curly

1845
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 4: or said Gordon. Whatever she says. So I think, and

1846
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 4: I've done it myself as a media member, we're all

1847
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 4: gonna cling to whatever she says so tightly because we

1848
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 4: don't have much of it to go off of.

1849
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 2: We played the injury clip earlier in the week of

1850
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,759
Speaker 2: what she said back in the spring here. So yeah, Jeff,

1851
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 2: to your point, I would agree wholeheartedly there. I don't

1852
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 2: think she is afraid of change or you know, necessarily

1853
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 2: whatever that that scares her. You know, we've talked about

1854
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 2: this endlessly, But I think when you are people in

1855
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 2: positions of authority like that, I think some of the

1856
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 2: most difficult decisions you can make is admitting that your

1857
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 2: operation is not going according to plan. In ie, that

1858
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: means the previous decisions that you or maybe her father

1859
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 2: in this case, made, we need to say that those

1860
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 2: were wrong. You know, I felt like there was some

1861
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 2: that could be wrong, but I felt like there was

1862
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 2: some emotional pull from Jim Mersey over the years that

1863
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,879
Speaker 2: he was so publicly bullish on Chris Ballard the greatest

1864
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 2: tire of the twenty first century from a GM standpoint,

1865
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 2: that he wanted to be right. I could be wrong

1866
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: on that. Those are just my thoughts. We'll Carly have

1867
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 2: those same thoughts, you know. Obviously she was a part

1868
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 2: of the process, but she wasn't her father in that process.

1869
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 2: Because I think there was a takeaway James you had

1870
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 2: from the piece as well that her and Chris bout

1871
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 2: are very close. Yeah. So again, how much of that

1872
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 2: is that play here?

1873
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,759
Speaker 1: And how much of it do you say to yourself? Honestly,

1874
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: when you look at everything, you say to yourself, Hey, look,

1875
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 1: before all this spate of injuries, we were seven and

1876
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: one and going all in by trading two first round

1877
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 1: draft picks. That's how confident we were that we could

1878
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: get something done. Now. Yeah, yeah, And if you say

1879
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: to yourself, all right, if we kind of rerun it

1880
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: with everybody healthy after the first month of the season,

1881
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: we can get through that. Next year, do we start

1882
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: back up with the team that was seven and one again?

1883
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 2: Well, I think for her specific point of view. If she,

1884
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 2: indeed whatever green lighted that trade, does she feel like

1885
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 2: she's going back on her word two months later by

1886
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 2: making substantial changes? Does that bother her? Does it not?

1887
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 2: You know, some people would say from a human element,

1888
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,799
Speaker 2: it might bother you, But from a business element, who cares?

1889
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 2: If you're wrong, you got to admit it as early

1890
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: as possible and start moving on from it. That's probably

1891
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 2: the one Carliers Gordon element that I think is a

1892
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 2: little if I were, you know whatever, some diehard Colts

1893
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 2: fancies and ticket member, that would worry me. The fact

1894
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: that you got two months into the job and you

1895
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 2: thought that Daniel Jones and Chris Boward were that secure. Yeah,

1896
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 2: that's a really premature thought, especially when Daniel Jones's back

1897
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 2: of the baseball card looks like it does, especially when

1898
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 2: the back of Chris Boward's baseball card looks like it does.

1899
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 2: I get that the trades for Sauce Gardner do not

1900
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 2: grow on trees. They don't happen three hundred and sixty

1901
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: five days out of the year. But that was quite

1902
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,839
Speaker 2: the message to send to the pillows of your organization.

1903
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 2: It was much more about just giving up two first

1904
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 2: round picks an ad Mitchell for Sauscarner.

1905
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk more about that. Take your feedback

1906
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: two through nine, ten seventy coming up in a moment.

1907
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,480
Speaker 1: Take a look at the top three moments of Indiana

1908
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 1: sports in twenty twenty five. Rick Carlisle comes your way

1909
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 1: at nineteen thirty. It's New Year's Eve ninety three, five,

1910
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: one oh seven five the fan you asked, Kevin, you

1911
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: get and there's James dancing. Now we're all good, Cale,

1912
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 1: good job out of you. Make it everybody happy over here?

1913
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 6: Can we wait for the beat to drop of this long?

1914
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 6: Could I just you guys talk over this as it

1915
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 6: comes on here? This is a New Year's Eve song

1916
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 6: cat all right?

1917
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 3: Go oh man, kay, you got even thinking about some

1918
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 3: memories right there?

1919
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 5: All right?

1920
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: From college he's the rock lobster siren.

1921
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: Neon lights flashing.

1922
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, you said you said you went back to

1923
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,839
Speaker 6: uh Indiana on New Year's Eve when they played Ohio

1924
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 6: State and basketball, right.

1925
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was That was a top five upset for

1926
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 2: Tom creen Buford is who I'm imagining for Ohio State.

1927
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:06,799
Speaker 6: At high school, played William Buford, great player, smooth.

1928
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 2: I loved watching William Buford play. Yeah, I don't know

1929
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 2: if Sollinger was still there, but that was a big uh.

1930
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 2: That was a big win.

1931
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: Boy.

1932
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 2: I'm tasting I'm tasting the grape Kharkoff right now. Day.

1933
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: Thank you brother for that.

1934
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: The Owen household is going to be partying tonight right

1935
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 1: up until midnight. Probably passed it.

1936
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 3: Nelly's first rave coming at midnight.

1937
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: Right, you're gonna get to the glow the glow sticks

1938
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: and everything like that.

1939
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 2: Anything to make or fall asleep.

1940
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: It's the Fan Morning Show. It's New Year's Eve, twenty

1941
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 1: twenty five, ninety three, five one seven five, the fan

1942
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 1: last day of the year. And we've been counting down

1943
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Speaker 1: the top ten Indiana sports stories of the year. We

1944
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Speaker 1: are down to the top three, Kevin Bowen, correct.

1945
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Speaker 2: Yeah, down to the top three.

1946
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Speaker 1: All right, a little production with that, then, what do

1947
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Speaker 1: you want to do there, Caleb? All right, I'll let

1948
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Speaker 1: you start, James Boyd, We'll go from your school.

1949
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Speaker 2: Number three for you.

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Speaker 3: Boy, I'm gonna go with what we just saw.

1951
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Speaker 4: The last time IU took the field, they beat Ohio

1952
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Speaker 4: State in the Big Ten championship. That cannot be understated.

1953
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Speaker 4: In our moments of the year, and honestly, we might

1954
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Speaker 4: be looking at a bigger moment for the twenty twenty

1955
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Speaker 4: six list if they knock off Alabama in advance further

1956
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Speaker 4: in the Collgewall playoffs. But yeah, just that moment. I

1957
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 4: remember watching that game down in Jacksonville on a big

1958
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Speaker 4: screen and we were actually sitting next to me and

1959
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Speaker 4: Nathan Brown of Indy Star, great colet supporter who's now

1960
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Speaker 4: on the beat. We were sitting next to a table

1961
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Speaker 4: of Ohio State fans and they were actually pretty respectful, like, man,

1962
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Speaker 4: we did not expect Iu to kind of give us

1963
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Speaker 4: some go like this, and that to me was a

1964
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Speaker 4: big moment for that program.

1965
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Speaker 3: I know it really didn't.

1966
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Speaker 4: Mean anything like materially you look into the Collge Fotball playoff,

1967
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Speaker 4: but to have that victory, boy, that was not something

1968
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Speaker 4: I had on the Bingo card coming into twenty twenty five.

1969
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Speaker 1: They had to talk about things not having put down

1970
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Speaker 1: on your Bingo card. My number three moment Fernando Mendoza

1971
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 1: getting the Heisman Trophy to stand there in New York

1972
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Speaker 1: and for an Indiana quarterback to to pick up the

1973
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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy, that was my number three moment in twenty

1974
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Speaker 1: twenty five, and it was all about moments. It wasn't

1975
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 1: about overwhelming statistics with the most touchdown throws ever, the

1976
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 1: most yards ever, or the highest rating ever, although the

1977
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 1: rating was pretty high, but just the moments that he

1978
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: just delivered again and again and again. Every time it

1979
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 1: seemed like they needed something from Fernando Mendoza, he delivered

1980
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Speaker 1: all year long.

1981
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my I use spots will be higher on my list.

1982
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Speaker 2: I will go and you know, again this is part

1983
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Speaker 2: of I guess whatever journalism or sports stories, unfortunately they

1984
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Speaker 2: all can't be great sports stories. Number three on the list,

1985
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 2: I had the passing of Jim Mersey. When you think

1986
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 2: about figures in this state, certainly from a sports standpoint,

1987
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Speaker 2: I don't know how much bigger they get than him.

1988
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Speaker 2: So you know that passing that occurred, you know, back

1989
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Speaker 2: in May. Obviously philanthropically, you think about what he's done,

1990
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Speaker 2: you know, NFL wise always thought he just did a

1991
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Speaker 2: great job of, you know, going to bat for Indy

1992
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Speaker 2: on a bigger market scale, and you know, certainly Peyton

1993
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Speaker 2: Manning was a huge, huge part of it. But I

1994
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Speaker 2: also think Jim Mersey's constant pressure of you know, telling

1995
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Speaker 2: the NFL hey we can host a super Bowl was huge,

1996
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Speaker 2: and that twenty twelve super Bowl. I don't know if

1997
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Speaker 2: it happens with just an ordinary owner, if you will,

1998
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Speaker 2: and I think Jim Mersey was certainly not ordinary. I

1999
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Speaker 2: had iu than one B, and I kind of grew

2000
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Speaker 2: Big ten and Mendoza together. Obviously, as James points out,

2001
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six list could look a whole lot different.

2002
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Speaker 2: But yeah, winning that game the Mendoza story, that to me.

2003
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Speaker 2: I technically I got a one B on my list there,

2004
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Speaker 2: so I got a little gaps.

2005
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Speaker 1: Oh I had ever say a number four. So we're

2006
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Speaker 1: kind of all in the same ballpark right there. All right,

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Speaker 1: Then let's move on to the second largest.

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Speaker 3: Story, number two.

2009
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Speaker 4: So number two, this actually kind of goes with what

2010
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Speaker 4: Kevin just said, and so Caleb on the sound there.

2011
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Speaker 4: My number two moment was the death of jim Irsay,

2012
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Speaker 4: I believe the same night that Halliburton hit the game

2013
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Speaker 4: tying shot in Game one against the Knicks in the

2014
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Speaker 4: Conference Finals. So just the dichotomy of the emotions that

2015
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 4: the city was going through. I remember doing the show

2016
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Speaker 4: with you all the next day and trying to balance

2017
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Speaker 4: that because on one hand, it's like you feel like

2018
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Speaker 4: you have this team of destiny after making that shot

2019
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Speaker 4: against that team. In that moment, I mean you got

2020
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Speaker 4: Tyre's Halliburton doing the regimular choke song with the guy

2021
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 4: sitting courts. I call in the game versus obviously someone who,

2022
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,799
Speaker 4: like you said, Kevin was a big pillar in this city.

2023
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Speaker 4: And really when they brought the coltier changed the landscape

2024
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Speaker 4: of the city. So the death and then the joy

2025
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 4: of the Tyres Halliburton shot all kind of in the

2026
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Speaker 4: same twenty four hours. That was my second biggest moment

2027
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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty five in Indiana sports.

2028
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Speaker 1: All big moments, no question about that. I went with

2029
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Speaker 1: Indiana beating Ohio State as the number two moment. We

2030
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Speaker 1: keep talking about. This is the biggest moment in IU

2031
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Speaker 1: football history. Yes, the game was in some ways meaningless.

2032
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Speaker 1: It was about seating for the college football Playoff. But

2033
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 1: to finish off your regular season undefeated and then played

2034
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 1: the juggernut that has always vexed you the power in

2035
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Speaker 1: your conference. Ohio State had.

2036
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Speaker 3: Beat them in thirty years right somewhere, and to.

2037
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Speaker 1: Beat them on a quote unquote neutral field the way

2038
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 1: your defense performed the way again Mendoza stepped up in

2039
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Speaker 1: big moments at key times with Becker and the other

2040
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 1: wide receivers. That to me was the number two sports

2041
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Speaker 1: moment of the year because of just the century of

2042
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Speaker 1: gravity that it carried with it. Yeah.

2043
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Speaker 2: The only other thing I'd add one, obviously, again, like

2044
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Speaker 2: I said I had at one Bee would be they

2045
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Speaker 2: were on freaking sixty minutes. Like how many times have

2046
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 2: we seen, you know, the state of Indiana have a

2047
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 2: sports story qualified for sixty minutes. Okay, well, I guess Caleb,

2048
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 2: should we go number one since I already gave out

2049
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 2: my number two one b if you will, here we

2050
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Speaker 2: go number one. The cinema of the Pacers run all

2051
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 2: the Halliburton game winners, just all of it. It's not

2052
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 2: obviously getting to the game seven is probably worthy of

2053
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 2: the number one spot enough, I think, and it's saying

2054
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 2: something because this list, to me, has got a lot

2055
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 2: of great, great stories or super unique stories or big

2056
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 2: stories every want to label it all. But getting to

2057
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 2: that moment and having the layup on Giannis, having the

2058
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 2: shot in Cleveland with the comeback the knee Smith put

2059
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 2: back dunk, then doing it Game one in Madison Square

2060
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:30,759
Speaker 2: Garden where the ball seemingly hangs in the air forever,

2061
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 2: and then the NBA Finals doing it against Oklahoma City

2062
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 2: Thunder on the road, setting the tone for a real

2063
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 2: opportunity to upset you know what, is one of the

2064
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 2: best champions we've seen in the NBA. And unfortunately, I

2065
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:45,799
Speaker 2: think when you tall, when you talk about the Pacers

2066
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:47,679
Speaker 2: story in the cinema of it, you have to include

2067
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 2: the tragedy of Game seven. You know, all of it

2068
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 2: I think is qualifying of it's worthy of a movie.

2069
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 2: So for me, the Indiana story is great, great, great,

2070
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 2: and in most years I'll we take the cake number one,

2071
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 2: but the Pacer cinema get into Game seven, all the shots,

2072
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 2: all the heroic moments, all the big comebacks, and obviously

2073
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 2: the Halliburton tragedy as well. That is my number five

2074
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 2: Indiana sports story.

2075
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,600
Speaker 1: I like the way you phrased the cinema of the

2076
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: Pacers run, and I had that collective in my top ten,

2077
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 1: but not as my number one. And to me, it

2078
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: started with the regular season unbelievable falling out of bounds

2079
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 1: three against the Milwaukee Bucks in that regular season game

2080
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 1: that kind of to me kicked off what would be

2081
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,919
Speaker 1: just we talked about moments all morning long. The Pacers

2082
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 1: just delivered moment after moment after moment. You just detailed

2083
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 1: a lot of those, But my specific number one moment

2084
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 1: of the year, good, bad or otherwise. I believe the

2085
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,560
Speaker 1: Pacers were on the way to winning the NBA Championship

2086
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 1: when Tyrese Haliburton lost his achilles heel and everything kind

2087
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 1: of started to unfold as game as the rest of

2088
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: the Pacers squad was for a while in that one

2089
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,639
Speaker 1: to keep it going and keep it close. That moment

2090
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 1: was within thirty seconds. You had the highest of high's

2091
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: thinking they're gonna win the NBA Championship to oh my gosh,

2092
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 1: is this young man gonna be okay? All at once.

2093
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: It just that moment was everything about this year.

2094
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2095
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 4: I actually I feel like I'm kind of cheating off

2096
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 4: everybody's exam here. But my number one moment or moments

2097
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 4: rather were, to your point, Jeff, the opposite end of

2098
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 4: the spectrum. You had the game winner in Game one

2099
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 4: from Halliburton, and that was after and him not having

2100
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 4: really a great game leading up to that moment. They

2101
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 4: steal the first game and you're thinking, boy, they have

2102
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 4: a chance to really do this and then you get

2103
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 4: to Game seven, he makes the three threes and then

2104
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,599
Speaker 4: he tears the Achilles and so I know it's a

2105
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 4: negative moment so to speak, because of the Achilles injury,

2106
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 4: but it undoubtedly in my mind is the biggest moment

2107
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 4: that we had for Aniana sports. The implications, the state,

2108
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 4: the moment. But if you're looking for again a more

2109
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 4: positive spin on it, that game one game winner, boy,

2110
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 4: that was Who's your esque? And again just the whole

2111
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 4: right of it. It was fun.

2112
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 5: Man.

2113
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it.

2114
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I got a chance to cover NBA Finals

2115
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 4: games the first time in my life. Have no idea

2116
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 4: winner if I'll get that chance again. So thank you

2117
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 4: to the Pacers for that.

2118
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again everything changes on a dime. We've been

2119
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 1: talking about it all morning long. To me, that was

2120
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Speaker 1: the number one moment. But what an unbelievable twenty twenty

2121
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: five As a whole, Kevin, You've grown up here your

2122
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 1: entire life. I've lived here for almost a decade and

2123
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 1: a half. Now, it's got to be the most amazing run.

2124
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we had a Super Bowl for

2125
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 1: the for the Colts, but it's got to be one

2126
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 1: of the most amazing years all time in Indiana sports history.

2127
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you obviously try not to be prison

2128
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,680
Speaker 2: of the moment, but yeah, you'd be hard pressed, I

2129
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 2: guess to find something different. I mean, you know, it's

2130
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 2: a list that has a college football program playing for

2131
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 2: a national time idol like fifth or sixth on it.

2132
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 2: I mean some of I don't even think everybody had

2133
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:05,600
Speaker 2: Notre Dame on their list. Some you know, Purdue was

2134
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 2: a shot away from making the Elite eight in the

2135
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 2: football stadium in our state, and how many times does

2136
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:14,919
Speaker 2: that happen? The Fever story was pretty freaking wild.

2137
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 4: As well, over a time period away from being in

2138
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,520
Speaker 4: the w NBA Finals without Caitlin Clark.

2139
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 2: All then five hundred drama was number six by the way,

2140
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 2: Alex Plow and you know, Roger Penske and and just

2141
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 2: all of that, all of those stories there, and I

2142
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 2: know we like laugh at it, certainly we do. But

2143
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 2: Caleb thank you, and Mark Dyton, thank you. Like the

2144
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 2: off the field stuff, the Mark Sanchez story, the the

2145
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 2: John Halliburton Giannis, like, I mean those were I mean,

2146
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 2: the Mark Sanchez story was like pretty national there for

2147
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 2: you know whatever a handful of days, something like that

2148
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 2: Indian is not always in that sort of spotlight there,

2149
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think all you know, WNBA All Star Game.

2150
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: We didn't even mention the WNBL Star.

2151
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Caleb had that on his list, So you know,

2152
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 2: I think all of that get a pretty good honorable

2153
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 2: mention here in twenty twenty five for some of the

2154
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 2: top ten.

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01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that any other state in America, just

2156
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 1: off top of my head, had more drama, big, meaningful,

2157
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:18,719
Speaker 1: consequential stories week in and week out than the state

2158
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 1: of Indiana. James, I mean, I don't know.

2159
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 4: That you can't states that I was going to say,

2160
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not as plunged into the other

2161
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 4: places in America. But it was a great year here.

2162
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 4: I can say that for sure.

2163
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 1: I say it all the time as someone who's been

2164
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 1: on the national sportscasting scene for a long time. Indiana

2165
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 1: is his fine a place to watch sports and joy sports,

2166
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:42,559
Speaker 1: love sports, and celebrate sports as any place in the country.

2167
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: It just is, and they've done it consciously, whether it's

2168
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 1: attracting big ticket items like college football championship games, the

2169
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: consistency of the Big Ten Championship Game, an NBA All

2170
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 1: Star Game, a w NBA All Star Game every few

2171
01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:01,600
Speaker 1: years of Final Four, always NCAA Tournament Men and Women, NFL,

2172
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 1: NBA Big Ten, not even starting on the home of

2173
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 1: IndyCar racing and all that that brings not just the

2174
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:14,680
Speaker 1: month of May, but throughout other portions of the of

2175
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 1: the year as well. And you talk about swimming and

2176
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 1: swimming championships and big tick events like that. We didn't

2177
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 1: even bring that up. It was it was kind of

2178
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 1: last year. But it just goes on and on and on. Kevin,

2179
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 1: I love that about this place.

2180
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, swim trousers on my list the previous year. Yeah,

2181
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 2: And I guess it'll essentially be on in here coming up.

2182
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 1: And it's still one of the coolest things I've ever

2183
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 1: seen to see an Olympic sized swimming pool on the

2184
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 1: floor of Lucas Oil Stadium. Man, that was really cool.

2185
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 2: As early as what tomorrow at eight o'clock, we're going

2186
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,600
Speaker 2: to have potentially a game that might be hard to

2187
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 2: remove off number one. Yeah, of the list.

2188
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 1: I guess for next year.

2189
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:51,759
Speaker 3: I almost wanted to put it there.

2190
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 2: Perdue basketball might have a chance to, you know, speak

2191
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 2: to that in April, and I don't think the Pacers

2192
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:00,719
Speaker 2: going to have some magical run here by any means,

2193
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:01,639
Speaker 2: But yeah.

2194
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 4: Well we'll have something on that list. Think at the

2195
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,520
Speaker 4: number one pick number one moment might be that, Yeah.

2196
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 2: It'll look a little a little different here.

2197
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 1: Pacers, by the way, need a nineteen game winning.

2198
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 4: Streak to get back to five hundred, right now, bring

2199
01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 4: me aj De Bands instead?

2200
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: Man oh Man, all right, Caleb, anything else you want

2201
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 1: to point out before we wrap up the top ten

2202
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 1: list here.

2203
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 6: I was just gonna throw into Kevin I know, you

2204
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 6: know you brought up the passing of jim Irsay. I

2205
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,719
Speaker 6: was also going to throw in the passing of Nancy

2206
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 6: Leonard right with that, just two real important figures to

2207
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 6: this state and the sports in the state and made

2208
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 6: both of those sports, basketball and football professionally big in

2209
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 6: this town.

2210
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:45,720
Speaker 1: So instrumental to that.

2211
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 6: And yeah, just really cool and really, James, you threw

2212
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 6: in a lot of your personal kind of tie ins

2213
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:56,759
Speaker 6: to those moments, and I would just say, like, pretty

2214
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:58,640
Speaker 6: cool to move to this state this year and have

2215
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:01,519
Speaker 6: a lot of this stuff happen while here. So just

2216
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 6: Ohio's going to be in your review mirror any day

2217
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 6: any day now, right, But I repeat a lot of

2218
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 6: things you said, Jeff about what a great state this

2219
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:09,639
Speaker 6: is to be a sports fan.

2220
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, then Nancy Leonard one, Yeah, that's yeah. Job all

2221
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 2: done there, Caleb, I would agree wholeheartedly on that. And

2222
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 2: you think about figures, so yeah, there's a lot here.

2223
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:20,759
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot from obviously the games itself,

2224
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 2: the figures itself on the floor, off the floor, unfortunately passings,

2225
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 2: but at his life. So hell of a twenty twenty

2226
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 2: five when you look at it from Indiana sports standpoint

2227
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:32,719
Speaker 2: man oh Man on.

2228
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 1: To twenty twenty six. And let's get it started off

2229
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:37,600
Speaker 1: right with a big game tomorrow. James Boyd tell you

2230
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 1: all about that right here, right now, we are getting

2231
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 1: closer and closer to a four pm kickoff tomorrow afternoon

2232
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 1: at the Rose Bowl, Pasadena, California. It'll be the Indiana

2233
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:53,559
Speaker 1: Hoosiers and the Alabama Crimson died James Boyd. The Hoosiers

2234
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:57,480
Speaker 1: start the day with a seven point favorite status.

2235
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 4: How about that, Dy've earned it one team in the country.

2236
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:04,799
Speaker 4: And as Kurtzignetti said, they're not playing the mistique of Alabama.

2237
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:07,599
Speaker 4: They're playing the tape, and the tape to me says

2238
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:08,639
Speaker 4: that I use the better team.

2239
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 1: You wanted to get them hungry and humble from the

2240
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 1: Big Ten championship game till tomorrow. The way that they

2241
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: were talking yesterday, it kind of sounds like they've been

2242
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 1: able to accomplish that.

2243
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 2: Kevin, Yeah, we'll see what mother nature looks like here

2244
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 2: over the next twenty four to thirty six hours. Sounds

2245
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 2: like good amount of rain in there when I Houston,

2246
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 2: Rainy Rose bulls by any means, but potentially could clear

2247
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 2: out in time for the one o'clock local kickoff out there.

2248
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, again, I think Indiana far more of the

2249
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 2: consistent team, and twenty four to thirteen, I'll go Hoo's

2250
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:37,639
Speaker 2: yours all right?

2251
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 1: First quarterfinal game, all of the college football playoff comes

2252
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 1: your way. Later on tonight seven thirty kickoff at the

2253
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:47,839
Speaker 1: Cotton Bowl. It'll be second seed Ohio State Caleb taking

2254
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 1: on Miami. How does this one play out this? Miami

2255
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:52,519
Speaker 1: have a chance? Miami has a chance.

2256
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:55,639
Speaker 6: I think a lot's been made about their front four

2257
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:58,720
Speaker 6: in front seven specifically, and how that matches up with

2258
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 6: Ohio State. You're kind of a little nervous because Ohio

2259
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:04,720
Speaker 6: State got pushed around against Indiana in their last time out,

2260
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:06,639
Speaker 6: so I think I think Kevin's right when he says

2261
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 6: that nine and a half spread is probably a little

2262
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:08,679
Speaker 6: too big.

2263
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 1: I do expect Ohio State to win, but should be

2264
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 1: a good one to kick off this quarterfinal, all right.

2265
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 1: And then tomorrow twelve noon, the first game will be

2266
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:19,639
Speaker 1: Oregon taking on Texas Tech. That's the five seed versus

2267
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 1: the four seed at the Orange Bowl. Then of course

2268
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 1: Alabama Indiana at the Rose Bowl. That'll be followed tomorrow

2269
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 1: night eight pm kick Ole Miss and Georgia. And we've

2270
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,559
Speaker 1: been talking about Old Miss and a scattering of their

2271
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:34,639
Speaker 1: coaching staff still around to try and coach the Rebels

2272
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: through that one.

2273
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 2: Welcome to college football in the year of twenty twenty five.

2274
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 2: It is a bit awkward, a bit shady, a bit yeah,

2275
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 2: it's just it's messy, but it's a bit yeah. Let's

2276
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 2: just play some games and try to forget about it.

2277
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 1: There were three bowl games last night, the Independence Bowl

2278
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 1: won by Louisiana Tech twenty three to fourteen over Coastal Carolina,

2279
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: Illinois James A winner over Tennessee thirty twenty eight at

2280
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:58,880
Speaker 1: the Music City Bowl in Nashville. Did you even pay

2281
01:45:58,880 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 1: attention to that game?

2282
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 5: No?

2283
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 4: I haven't made attention to since they lost about thousand

2284
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:05,760
Speaker 4: tie you, but shout out to the Alma Water. I'll

2285
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 4: pay attention again when I'm out of debt, so it

2286
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 4: might be a little well all right.

2287
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 1: The TCU horn Frogs started a quarterback for the first time,

2288
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: and Ken Seals led them to an overtime victory against

2289
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:20,000
Speaker 1: usc by a score of thirty to twenty seven. He

2290
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:22,919
Speaker 1: threw for two hundred and fifty eight yards and a touchdown.

2291
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 1: That catches you up on college football college basketball. It

2292
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 1: was Butler losing it Creighton eighty nine eighty five. They

2293
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,919
Speaker 1: fall to ten and four. Now they'll play again Saturday

2294
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 1: at Villanova. Was there anything else we need to mention

2295
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 1: for college basketball? James?

2296
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 2: Well, thing you know about the Butler game. For those

2297
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 2: that didn't watch last night, Evan Haywood was trying his

2298
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:42,639
Speaker 2: best Tyrese Haliburn there at the end. It was wild

2299
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:45,800
Speaker 2: watching him bang in some threes as Butler tried to

2300
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,320
Speaker 2: make it interest seem But with that Jalen Jackson injury

2301
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 2: and Michael Jaya and foul trouble, is just not a

2302
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,679
Speaker 2: game they can play. So that's the round and finley

2303
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 2: Bizjacks got to get back to what he was doing

2304
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 2: earlier in the year. Still very competitive, you know, on

2305
01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 2: the road at creating a place of the Butler's not

2306
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 2: had success at all. So big weekend game with Villanova,

2307
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 2: Big one Tuesday with Saint John's for some Quad one opportunities.

2308
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 1: Also after the game, coach McDermott said, that is a

2309
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 1: really good basketball team. He was talking about Butler. He

2310
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 1: was giving him all kinds of kudos after the game.

2311
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:17,639
Speaker 1: Anything else college basketball do you want to talk about?

2312
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:20,720
Speaker 2: You've neglected Notre Dame already twice this morning, so might

2313
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:21,679
Speaker 2: as well do the third time.

2314
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 1: Notre Dame.

2315
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 2: Say Notre Dame fall on the list of teams that

2316
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 2: you read off.

2317
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 1: Were they playing with peach baskets in that game last

2318
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 1: night against Stanford?

2319
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 2: Eighty five Bears, two thousand Ravensiver Broncos.

2320
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 4: One day bricks shot in that game could build a

2321
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 4: new stadium one day.

2322
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 2: Jeff full respect Notre Dame basketball.

2323
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:42,640
Speaker 3: Well he shouldn't respect it. After the last night.

2324
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 2: I'll take the road winning conference.

2325
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 1: Hey, I respect it. I stayed up for a half

2326
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 1: last night.

2327
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,200
Speaker 2: How many teams have two true road wins before the

2328
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 2: new year?

2329
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 4: Do you again, fifty six shots. That Stanford team, by

2330
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 4: the way, they each shot fifty six times. The one

2331
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:57,560
Speaker 4: teammate eighteen shots, the other one made thirteen shots. The

2332
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,639
Speaker 4: amount of bricks that were thrown in there should be

2333
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 4: getting insurance claims.

2334
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: Wow. Later on this afternoon, Pacers at home for a

2335
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: three point thirty tip against the Orlando Magic three pm.

2336
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,680
Speaker 1: The airtime here at ninety three five one oh seven five.

2337
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 1: The Pacers trying to snap a nine game losing streak,

2338
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 1: currently with the worst record in the NBA at six

2339
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:20,680
Speaker 1: and twenty seven. And again, I pointed this out a

2340
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: couple of hours ago, but Kevin, in their defense, they

2341
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: have now used twenty four different players this year.

2342
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insane. They I would have to look this up,

2343
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:32,280
Speaker 2: but they might have more transactions this season than the Colts.

2344
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 1: That might be true Colts of Texans on Sunday. They

2345
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:39,639
Speaker 1: have lost six straight. The Colts have Riley Leonard will

2346
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:42,599
Speaker 1: start the game at quarterback. Who will and who won't

2347
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 1: play is kind of a question for various different reasons.

2348
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 4: James, Yeah, I will say I just don't think that

2349
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 4: Sauce Gardener should play. I know other players you have

2350
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 4: to you know, factor in injuries, and I do think

2351
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 4: there is a certain element of you get paid a

2352
01:48:57,120 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 4: whole lot of money to play football, so if you're healthy,

2353
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 4: you should play. But he's not healthy, So why even

2354
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:05,599
Speaker 4: risk it considering that he is literally the two first

2355
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:08,599
Speaker 4: round picks you gave up in that trade.

2356
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:11,639
Speaker 1: Jaguars will be hosting the Tennessee Titans. With a win there,

2357
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 1: they can win the AFC South outright and move on

2358
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 1: to the NFL playoffs. Story in the playoffs, but the

2359
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 1: Jaguars are on a roll right now. If you're wondering

2360
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:24,759
Speaker 1: the latest Super Bowl odds, the Seattle Seahawks at plus

2361
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 1: four seventy five are the favorites right now. The Rams

2362
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 1: at plus five fifty, Broncos at plus seven hundred, the

2363
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: forty nine ers at plus eight fifty, and the Patriots

2364
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 1: at plus nine hundred. Beginning of the season, would you

2365
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,400
Speaker 1: have selected those five teams to be on top?

2366
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 2: And we talked to you a little bit about this

2367
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 2: the other day. I cannot recall a week eighteen entering

2368
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 2: the playoffs where we've had this much indecision on Super

2369
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:47,519
Speaker 2: Bowl favorites. So you know you asked to ephen hold

2370
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 2: it earlier. Who's the best team in the AFC, who's

2371
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 2: the best team in the NFC. Who's the best team

2372
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 2: in the NFC West?

2373
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: Would you say San Francisco right now?

2374
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 5: Or would you say Seattle?

2375
01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:59,240
Speaker 2: But then it's like, well, if I had to stretch

2376
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:02,680
Speaker 2: the NFC, what about Philly? What about Chicago? Philly just

2377
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 2: won in Buffalo as a Green Bay at sneaky seven seed.

2378
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 2: That looks like a pretty sneaky seven seed to me.

2379
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think.

2380
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:11,040
Speaker 1: Nobody's bringing up Marks Bears.

2381
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:14,920
Speaker 2: I did say Mark s Bears. I think you know

2382
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 2: both conferences right now, there's a lot a lot of unknown.

2383
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 1: It could be an exciting playoffs. I wish the Colts

2384
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 1: were going to be a part of it. That's just

2385
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: the way the cookie crumbles, so to speak. All right,

2386
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 1: coming up in a moment. Rick Carlisle, the head basketball

2387
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:29,719
Speaker 1: coach of the Indiana Pacers, stops by for his weekly

2388
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:33,000
Speaker 1: conversation with JB and KB. We'll hear it next.

2389
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 2: Happy New Year, everybody out there, certainly safe endeavors tonight

2390
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:43,160
Speaker 2: for those that are out there. It's kind of become

2391
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:46,680
Speaker 2: typical for the Indiana Pacers where they are hosting this

2392
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:49,800
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve game it's the matinee game, if you will,

2393
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 2: so three o'clock right here in these airwaves, it'll be

2394
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 2: the Orlando Magic as the Spacers try to end their

2395
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 2: nine game losing streak. They've got Victor Webbin Yam on

2396
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 2: the Spurs. Then coming up on Friday, talk more about it.

2397
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 2: We headed the playoff Sickers hotline right now. He is

2398
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 2: the head coach of the Pacers. He is a Rick

2399
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:08,200
Speaker 2: Carlisle coach. Happy New Year to you, Good morning.

2400
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2401
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 2: Likewise, I guess let's just start with the uniqueness of

2402
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:16,759
Speaker 2: the three o'clock start that definitely doesn't happen too too often.

2403
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 2: What does that do from a schedule standpoint for you

2404
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 2: guys in terms of preparation on a day like today.

2405
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 7: It just moves everything up a few hours, and so

2406
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 7: on game days at home, normally we come in in

2407
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 7: the afternoon three hours before game time and we'll do

2408
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 7: a film session, we'll do an on court walk through

2409
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:44,840
Speaker 7: run through, and then and then get ready to play.

2410
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:46,080
Speaker 5: So instead of.

2411
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:49,719
Speaker 9: Coming in at four, we'll be in there around noon today.

2412
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:50,840
Speaker 1: Rick.

2413
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 4: Throughout this nine game skid, do you see any overlapping

2414
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 4: themes throughout it that you all need to change to

2415
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 4: try to you know, obviously snap it tonight in the

2416
01:51:59,160 --> 01:51:59,759
Speaker 4: year on high.

2417
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:05,120
Speaker 7: Note, Yeah, I mean we got a we got a fighting.

2418
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 9: Consistency, and there have been a lot of different things

2419
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 9: that have come up. Certainly, you know, in the Miami

2420
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,600
Speaker 9: game there were twenty six turnovers.

2421
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 7: You know, it's it's great to have a good offensive

2422
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 7: nights and get thirty assists, but then when you get

2423
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 7: twenty six turnovers or whatever it was, thirty seven points

2424
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:30,759
Speaker 7: or something like that, you just can't you just can't survive.

2425
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:35,320
Speaker 7: So at times, rebounding has been a big thing. Obviously

2426
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 7: the game against Houston, you know their with their ability

2427
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:42,720
Speaker 7: to rebound, that was going to be a Challenge's been

2428
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:46,679
Speaker 7: a lot of things, but no excuses. You know, another

2429
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:51,360
Speaker 7: opportunity today against a very good Magic team and we'll

2430
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:52,040
Speaker 7: have to be ready.

2431
01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:55,719
Speaker 2: Okay, that's three o'clock today, Pacers in Magic. Rick Carlisle

2432
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:58,320
Speaker 2: with us here coach. You think it was over the weekend.

2433
01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 2: Both Pascal Siaka and TJ McConnell had some comments after

2434
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 2: I think it was the Boston game. You know, Siakam

2435
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:07,800
Speaker 2: says something effective. You know, it didn't feel like you

2436
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 2: guys tried it hard. Enough on offense. I think McConnell,

2437
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:14,120
Speaker 2: you know, mentioned, you know, not fighting the way that

2438
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 2: we usually do. I know, the effort word is probably

2439
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,479
Speaker 2: a word that gets a lot of attention. Have you

2440
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 2: been pleased with the effort amidst a season that's obviously

2441
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:25,800
Speaker 2: been very trying?

2442
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:30,600
Speaker 9: Overall, we can all do but.

2443
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 2: Pacer, said coach Rick Carlos with the year on the

2444
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 2: Payloffs Lookers hotline starting lineup, Johnny Furfrey. He's gott a

2445
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:41,360
Speaker 2: little run here as of late. I know Aarony Smith

2446
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:45,439
Speaker 2: is getting back to work. You've mentioned Furfrey easy guy

2447
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,559
Speaker 2: to root for when you say that, or easy guyt

2448
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 2: to like? Maybe what is it about his game that

2449
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,560
Speaker 2: from a coaching standpoint, he's a guy that you like

2450
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:54,240
Speaker 2: having out there.

2451
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:56,920
Speaker 9: He goes hard.

2452
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:03,280
Speaker 7: He you know, unconditionally gives you everything he has, you know,

2453
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:06,640
Speaker 7: on a team where running is a real priority, I mean,

2454
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 7: he always runs hard. He always does his job in that.

2455
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:13,120
Speaker 7: In that respect.

2456
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,720
Speaker 9: The other thing is, you know, there there are are

2457
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:18,240
Speaker 9: other things. I guess I should say.

2458
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:23,360
Speaker 7: He rebounds the ball. He's a very active crasher offensively

2459
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:27,960
Speaker 7: and a very good defensive rebounder. And he's he's just

2460
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:31,920
Speaker 7: super unselfish, you know, and in plays with with a

2461
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:36,080
Speaker 7: with a boundless energy and always a very very good spirit.

2462
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 7: So you know, guys like that are winning type players,

2463
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:44,840
Speaker 7: and you can never have enough of them, I guess,

2464
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 7: I guess I guess you you should say you never

2465
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:49,240
Speaker 7: have too many of them.

2466
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 4: Rick you talk about, you know, not having too many

2467
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:52,800
Speaker 4: of those types of players. One of those, I would

2468
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 4: imagine is Pascal Siakam ninth in the All Star fan

2469
01:54:56,680 --> 01:55:00,120
Speaker 4: voting for the Eastern Conference. How do you have Have

2470
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:02,760
Speaker 4: you seen him navigate this season and be a leader

2471
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,520
Speaker 4: when you know obviously he wants to win it all costs.

2472
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's been a difficult challenge for for him

2473
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:14,320
Speaker 7: and really all the guys.

2474
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:16,520
Speaker 9: Coming into this, you know.

2475
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 7: So look, it's it's important to communicate with all the players,

2476
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:24,320
Speaker 7: particularly the leaders.

2477
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 9: So I spent a lot of time talking with him.

2478
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:33,400
Speaker 7: And Andrew Nemart and hearonni Smith and just you know,

2479
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:37,840
Speaker 7: keeping a pulse on things, hearing them out what they

2480
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 7: see and feel on the court. And you know, we

2481
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:45,320
Speaker 7: always all the time have to be in a problem

2482
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:48,600
Speaker 7: solving mode, even when things are good, and you know,

2483
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:50,480
Speaker 7: right now it's you know, we're not in one of

2484
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:56,919
Speaker 7: those periods. But in the NBA, it's you know, it's difficult.

2485
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 7: You know, every game is hard, every team is good,

2486
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 7: Margins are always slim, Mars are particularly slimming this year.

2487
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:08,200
Speaker 9: And we got to understand that and we got to

2488
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:09,120
Speaker 9: do everything we.

2489
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:15,360
Speaker 7: Can, you know, the fush things beyond the point where.

2490
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:19,840
Speaker 9: You know, an ordinary effort just isn't enough.

2491
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 7: So again today, another another really strong challenge.

2492
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 9: With the Magic. But great thing about the NBA, you

2493
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:33,040
Speaker 9: never has a way too long to play again.

2494
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's afternoon game again, Pacers and Magic three o'clock.

2495
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 2: We appreciate Rick Carlisle joined us on a game day

2496
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 2: kind of going off James's point with Siakam, you know,

2497
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:44,360
Speaker 2: for you as the head coach, I mean we talked

2498
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:46,520
Speaker 2: in the previous segment. I mean, you guys might have

2499
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 2: as many transactions right now as the Colts have had

2500
01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:51,600
Speaker 2: over the course of the seventeen game season. I mean

2501
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 2: it's north of I think twenty players have scored a

2502
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:56,840
Speaker 2: bucket for you, and we're you know, not even close

2503
01:56:56,960 --> 01:57:01,360
Speaker 2: really to the halfway point of the season. How big

2504
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:04,280
Speaker 2: I guess of a challenge has it been for you?

2505
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 2: Just from a coaching standpoint A A how unique and

2506
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 2: be how difficult?

2507
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 9: Both? Yeah, No, it's both.

2508
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 7: It's this has been unlike any year I've had. Uh

2509
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 7: and I've had I've had years. You know, we went

2510
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 7: through the Brawl year where we went through difficult times, suspensions, injuries,

2511
01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:29,560
Speaker 7: everything else. Uh, but it's a long season, and so

2512
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:34,120
Speaker 7: you know, hope, hope springs eternal. I mean, you've got

2513
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:37,840
Speaker 7: to keep things positive. You know, we're starting to get

2514
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:43,800
Speaker 7: a little healthier. That's a good sign. But but nobody

2515
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,600
Speaker 7: wants to Nobody wants to hear about how hard things are.

2516
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:50,160
Speaker 7: And you know, uh, any you know woe is me

2517
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:53,600
Speaker 7: type stuff. You know that's not that's not going to

2518
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 7: get it.

2519
01:57:54,280 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 1: Uh.

2520
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 7: We gotta we gotta, we gotta circle of wagons and

2521
01:57:58,360 --> 01:57:59,520
Speaker 7: do better, simple as that.

2522
01:58:00,360 --> 01:58:03,320
Speaker 4: Ricky talk about not having a woe is me attitude

2523
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:05,440
Speaker 4: and one of those guys I think you'd probably referred

2524
01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:08,240
Speaker 4: to in that same realm, Miss Tyres Halliburton. What has

2525
01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:10,720
Speaker 4: it been like seeing him get to rehab on the

2526
01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 4: court before some of these home games recently, and perhaps

2527
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:15,680
Speaker 4: feeling the injury of the crowd and the excitement of

2528
01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:17,600
Speaker 4: his potential return obviously next season.

2529
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:20,760
Speaker 9: He's doing great. He's doing great.

2530
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:24,720
Speaker 7: I would have to think he's I had a schedule

2531
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:28,040
Speaker 7: by some pretty good margin.

2532
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:32,440
Speaker 9: But you know, like technology and rehab and.

2533
01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:36,520
Speaker 7: Those kinds of everything is so so much better than

2534
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:38,080
Speaker 7: it was a few years ago.

2535
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 9: That look, he sus.

2536
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:47,920
Speaker 7: Seeing the injury. I forget what time it was, but

2537
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 7: in less than twenty four hours, an injury happened in Oklahoma.

2538
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:56,919
Speaker 7: In less than twenty four hours, the surgery was completed.

2539
01:58:57,800 --> 01:59:00,800
Speaker 9: And so you know, you've got you've got a lot.

2540
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:03,840
Speaker 7: Of things working in the favor of today's at me,

2541
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:10,040
Speaker 7: certainly the timing element there, uh, private airplanes and all

2542
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:13,800
Speaker 7: that kind of stuff. And you know, doctor O'Malley has

2543
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:18,280
Speaker 7: become a trusted friend of many NBA teams are are

2544
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:19,240
Speaker 7: certainly included.

2545
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:23,760
Speaker 9: And uh he made the time and and and that was.

2546
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:27,200
Speaker 7: That was done very quickly, and that always helps to

2547
01:59:27,240 --> 01:59:30,520
Speaker 7: facilitate a more positive rehab situation.

2548
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:33,280
Speaker 9: So I'm sure.

2549
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 7: People have seen, you know, a lot of the a

2550
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:38,600
Speaker 7: lot of videos posted. You know, he's going to basketball,

2551
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:41,120
Speaker 7: he's doing a lot of sprinting, he's doing a lot

2552
01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:44,920
Speaker 7: of you know, everything gets ramped up, and I think

2553
01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:51,000
Speaker 7: every couple of weeks there is a new element introduced

2554
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:51,879
Speaker 7: to the rehab.

2555
01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:56,720
Speaker 9: And to this point he's done very very well with everything.

2556
01:59:57,680 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 2: Rick one of this and again we appreciate the time

2557
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:02,800
Speaker 2: he on a game day. I believe this is the

2558
02:00:02,840 --> 02:00:07,400
Speaker 2: final day for you as the head of the Coaches Association,

2559
02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:11,960
Speaker 2: A very lengthy run for you in that role. Any

2560
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:15,839
Speaker 2: partying gifts an any final day, I guess the virtual

2561
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:19,200
Speaker 2: party that they're having for you now.

2562
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 7: I had a call a couple of days ago with

2563
02:00:22,520 --> 02:00:27,960
Speaker 7: JP Beckerstaff, who is the incoming president, and just you know,

2564
02:00:28,120 --> 02:00:32,000
Speaker 7: went through with him sort of you know, all the

2565
02:00:32,040 --> 02:00:34,560
Speaker 7: things that have kind of.

2566
02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:38,560
Speaker 9: Gone on over over my twenty years.

2567
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:41,360
Speaker 7: A lot of the situational things, a lot of the

2568
02:00:41,400 --> 02:00:45,120
Speaker 7: people that you know, I've had the great opportunity to

2569
02:00:45,120 --> 02:00:47,640
Speaker 7: work with in the league office and in many other places,

2570
02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:53,720
Speaker 7: and just giving him a few recommendations about the starting

2571
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:58,280
Speaker 7: point for him and stuff. But I'm very very excited.

2572
02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:01,280
Speaker 7: I mean, this is this was this was the right

2573
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:02,320
Speaker 7: time to pass the torch.

2574
02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:05,480
Speaker 9: Twenty years, you know, is a very very long time

2575
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:06,000
Speaker 9: to do this.

2576
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:12,240
Speaker 7: He is a great selection by our membership, you know,

2577
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:19,920
Speaker 7: in the election process. Passionate guy, uh, natural leader, you know,

2578
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 7: very very very enthusiastic about the coaching profession. His dad,

2579
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:29,720
Speaker 7: Bernie Becker Staff, is the guy that you know, I

2580
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:32,840
Speaker 7: believe at some point we'll be in the Hall of

2581
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:38,320
Speaker 7: Fame as a contributor, you know, first ever African American

2582
02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:42,960
Speaker 7: president of an NBA franchise. He was a great coach

2583
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:48,120
Speaker 7: and he's been a great mentor for many, many decades

2584
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Speaker 7: to so many young coaches and players, myself included.

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Speaker 9: And so.

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Speaker 7: JB's learned many great lessons from his dad. And this

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02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:00,200
Speaker 7: will be, uh, this will be in the main using

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Speaker 7: experience for him.

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Speaker 9: You know, there there are a lot of good things

2590
02:02:04,200 --> 02:02:05,400
Speaker 9: on the horizon with the league.

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Speaker 7: There are some there are some challenges to be faced,

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02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:13,040
Speaker 7: but things are in an overall a good place and

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Speaker 7: I'm excited for him and you know, excited to be

2594
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:18,040
Speaker 7: transitioning out of that position.

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02:02:18,520 --> 02:02:21,400
Speaker 2: Well, congrats on that. Say happy New Year to you

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02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:25,080
Speaker 2: and Donna and the family, and good luck this afternoon, coach.

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Speaker 9: Okay, thanks you guys. Stick care Rick.

2598
02:02:27,680 --> 02:02:31,120
Speaker 2: Carlisle, pay Less Liquors hot Line. We'll do it one

2599
02:02:31,200 --> 02:02:34,280
Speaker 2: final time here on the Rose Bowl Eve. It is

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Speaker 2: the Fan Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jeff, I'm here. I'm just grooving shutdown five man.

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02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:47,200
Speaker 2: After our audio hiccups, maybe last segment, we should probably

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02:02:47,200 --> 02:02:51,600
Speaker 2: speak just to say we're on air, we are follow you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to groove too, Come on, you're allowed to.

2605
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:56,760
Speaker 3: I thought were going to take copyright, you know, for

2606
02:02:56,880 --> 02:02:58,200
Speaker 3: that song there for a second.

2607
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:01,160
Speaker 2: Apologies, there are a little sped up at Carlisle at times.

2608
02:03:01,400 --> 02:03:04,920
Speaker 2: I've heard that the extreme with that, James, I did

2609
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:09,920
Speaker 2: find the very short answer to the effort question, which

2610
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:13,640
Speaker 2: Siakam and McConnell both were pretty public in that over

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02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:17,640
Speaker 2: the weekend. Clearly that's kind of on the list of things.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it is weird because when you look

2613
02:03:19,640 --> 02:03:22,520
Speaker 2: at it, I would argue they've been worse offensively than

2614
02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:24,160
Speaker 2: they have defensively. You would think if it's a big

2615
02:03:24,200 --> 02:03:27,920
Speaker 2: effort issue, you'd have some more issues defensively than they've had.

2616
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:31,040
Speaker 2: But clearly added something on the mind as the Pacers

2617
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:32,960
Speaker 2: try to end a nine game loosen streak.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this real quick though.

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02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:40,200
Speaker 4: I do think when you talk about effort it always

2620
02:03:40,240 --> 02:03:43,320
Speaker 4: goes to the defensive side of things. It certainly can

2621
02:03:43,360 --> 02:03:44,560
Speaker 4: go to the offense as well.

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02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know later on today you guys are going

2623
02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:49,280
Speaker 1: to be out at Colts West fifty sixth. Obviously they're

2624
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:52,040
Speaker 1: wrapping up the season with no playoffs inside or anything

2625
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:54,920
Speaker 1: like that. What are you most looking forward to finding

2626
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:57,960
Speaker 1: out today? James? What's your mission? Is you go out

2627
02:03:58,000 --> 02:03:58,600
Speaker 1: there today?

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02:03:59,120 --> 02:03:59,480
Speaker 3: Mission?

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02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:02,680
Speaker 4: Okay means I gotta get like some dark shades and

2630
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:04,520
Speaker 4: you know, go rogue or something like that and jump

2631
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:07,880
Speaker 4: a fit of DOORA yeah, get a door, get a

2632
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:12,760
Speaker 4: little mustache going. I think one Kevin, in all seriousness,

2633
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:14,760
Speaker 4: will Philip Rivers be on the active roster?

2634
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:15,120
Speaker 9: Like?

2635
02:04:15,200 --> 02:04:18,240
Speaker 4: Will he be available for this team comes under? Or

2636
02:04:18,240 --> 02:04:21,600
Speaker 4: will they just demote him? Considering that they did sign

2637
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:24,560
Speaker 4: another quarterback and seth hen again and also knowing that

2638
02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:27,480
Speaker 4: ry Lennard will start, So what is his role status

2639
02:04:27,560 --> 02:04:30,720
Speaker 4: for a Sunday's game? I guess from an injury standpoint,

2640
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:34,800
Speaker 4: is Sauce Gardner enter out? Another injury standpoint, is Anthony

2641
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:38,800
Speaker 4: Richardson officially not going to return in any capacity this year?

2642
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:40,960
Speaker 3: Is he not gonna be activated? I guess stuff like

2643
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:41,560
Speaker 3: that is kind.

2644
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:44,040
Speaker 4: Of what I'm looking at housekeeping wise, But as far

2645
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:46,400
Speaker 4: as big picture of stuff, I think a lot of

2646
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:48,880
Speaker 4: the questions we ask Kevin at this point, will get

2647
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:50,440
Speaker 4: met with the same sort of answer. All we get

2648
02:04:50,480 --> 02:04:52,200
Speaker 4: one more game to play. We're not focused on that

2649
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:54,680
Speaker 4: just yet. But boy, do I want to just jump

2650
02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:57,040
Speaker 4: to the part where I ask Shane and maybe I will,

2651
02:04:57,120 --> 02:05:00,920
Speaker 4: you know, my negative another opportunity to have or today

2652
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:03,640
Speaker 4: or the next couple of days. But just how would

2653
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:05,680
Speaker 4: you kind of square or summarize this whole season?

2654
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:09,080
Speaker 2: Put Daniel Jones at Alec Peers in a different category.

2655
02:05:09,200 --> 02:05:11,760
Speaker 2: Let me throw some free agents at you, guys, and

2656
02:05:11,880 --> 02:05:14,040
Speaker 2: you stop me when you say they need to be

2657
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:26,160
Speaker 2: brought back. Okay, Brandon Smith, Well, Aley Cox, Quity Pay, Samson, Epicom,

2658
02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:31,000
Speaker 2: Jermaine Pratt, Nick Cross.

2659
02:05:31,240 --> 02:05:36,160
Speaker 1: Yes, I like the Cross. I think he's a guy.

2660
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:38,480
Speaker 1: You can do some different things, though. Is he gonna

2661
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:39,880
Speaker 1: be one of your first mics?

2662
02:05:39,960 --> 02:05:41,760
Speaker 2: Might have been off there for a second, Damn, I

2663
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:42,560
Speaker 2: didn't hear much.

2664
02:05:42,760 --> 02:05:44,240
Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of issues.

2665
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:49,120
Speaker 3: Say Caleb, you could have chimed. Damn, brother, that was

2666
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:51,200
Speaker 3: a no, no, no, no no. And then when we

2667
02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:54,880
Speaker 3: got to Nick Cross, to me, to be quite honest

2668
02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:56,600
Speaker 3: with you, it might still be a no because I'm

2669
02:05:56,600 --> 02:05:58,960
Speaker 3: not paying paying two money.

2670
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:02,240
Speaker 2: And I hear you, Jeff, I do think Nick Cross

2671
02:06:02,240 --> 02:06:05,400
Speaker 2: has had some really nice moments this season. James nothing

2672
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:06,640
Speaker 2: on Braden Smith.

2673
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:10,680
Speaker 3: No, that's a no for me and Torch to Jalen Travis.

2674
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:13,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think even before the injuries kind of

2675
02:06:13,720 --> 02:06:15,480
Speaker 4: knocked him out the end of this year, that was

2676
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:17,200
Speaker 4: always going to be the case. It kind of felt

2677
02:06:17,240 --> 02:06:20,680
Speaker 4: like a Ryan Kelly situation where you drafted the future

2678
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:22,680
Speaker 4: and then he also got a chance to play, So

2679
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:26,080
Speaker 4: you feel pretty confident Jalen Traves moving forward. So yeah,

2680
02:06:26,120 --> 02:06:27,800
Speaker 4: and then you got to get cheaper at some point,

2681
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:30,680
Speaker 4: even if you're gonna rebuild, run it back, whatever, you

2682
02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:32,960
Speaker 4: got to get cheaper at some point in that unit.

2683
02:06:33,080 --> 02:06:34,760
Speaker 4: So that was an easy one for me.

2684
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Speaker 2: You know, we talk a lot about Chris Ballard and

2685
02:06:36,720 --> 02:06:39,240
Speaker 2: the criticism I think is very warranted. I think a

2686
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:42,560
Speaker 2: major credit he deserves is he has found some really

2687
02:06:42,720 --> 02:06:47,000
Speaker 2: nice hits on the offensive line in those middle ish rounds.

2688
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:47,360
Speaker 1: You know.

2689
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Speaker 2: Bernard Ryman, I think is definitely one of those. And

2690
02:06:50,520 --> 02:06:53,480
Speaker 2: I think the first years of starting fully for Chander

2691
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:57,360
Speaker 2: Bordolini and Matt Gonzalvez looked to be pretty solid, you know,

2692
02:06:57,440 --> 02:07:00,560
Speaker 2: Jalen Travis, you know, albeit very small sam size, I

2693
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:03,040
Speaker 2: think there's some promise there. So I do think that's

2694
02:07:03,080 --> 02:07:05,200
Speaker 2: an area where Ballard deserves some credit.

2695
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:10,600
Speaker 1: And then there's places that he just continually misses, specifically

2696
02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:14,080
Speaker 1: along the defensive edge and edge rushers.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that might be the you know, you can

2698
02:07:18,160 --> 02:07:21,200
Speaker 2: break it down, you know, James, the old counting resume

2699
02:07:21,320 --> 02:07:23,720
Speaker 2: is probably how I refer to it. You've you've gotten

2700
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:25,880
Speaker 2: used to it. The zero one to two, right, yeah,

2701
02:07:26,080 --> 02:07:29,680
Speaker 2: zero division titles, one playoff win, two playoff appearances. That

2702
02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:33,080
Speaker 2: is an ugly part. The draft pick of Anthony Richardson,

2703
02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:35,200
Speaker 2: how that's gone. That is an ugly part of the resume.

2704
02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:38,360
Speaker 2: You could make the argument, given how Chris Ballard views

2705
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:41,440
Speaker 2: defensive line now he's invested, that's the ugliest part of

2706
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:45,760
Speaker 2: the resume because in his eyes it's one of the

2707
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:49,720
Speaker 2: biggest things for him. In his eyes, defensive line is

2708
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:52,320
Speaker 2: a must priority, and if you look at all the

2709
02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:57,600
Speaker 2: resources into that group, that might be the ugliest part

2710
02:07:57,600 --> 02:07:58,080
Speaker 2: of the resume.

2711
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Speaker 1: All right, very quickly, before we finish up twenty twenty five,

2712
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:03,520
Speaker 1: here we got a big game tomorrow, rose Bow, New

2713
02:08:03,560 --> 02:08:07,040
Speaker 1: Year's Day, Indiana, Ohio State. James, your official pick for

2714
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:07,480
Speaker 1: the game.

2715
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:09,280
Speaker 4: Oh, I gotta roll with IU baby, I'll have the

2716
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:10,520
Speaker 4: candies stry pants on tomorrow.

2717
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Speaker 1: For sure. I'm gonna go. You gotta score or what

2718
02:08:12,840 --> 02:08:13,280
Speaker 1: are you thinking?

2719
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:17,560
Speaker 4: I haven't thought about a score. I'll go thirty twenty seven.

2720
02:08:18,120 --> 02:08:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go bigger than that. I'm gonna go Indiana

2721
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:23,320
Speaker 1: twenty seven to seventeen.

2722
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:26,520
Speaker 2: Twenty four to thirteen, Hoosiers, I like, Okay, so I

2723
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:27,840
Speaker 2: got a couple of double digit I think.

2724
02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:32,080
Speaker 6: It'll be closer, mister Ohio State very quickly. Yeah, Indiana

2725
02:08:32,360 --> 02:08:33,480
Speaker 6: twenty four to seventeen.

2726
02:08:33,800 --> 02:08:35,880
Speaker 1: All right, those are the official picks. It's gonna wrap

2727
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:38,920
Speaker 1: it up. Indiana Pacers, Orlando Magic coming your way. Pregame

2728
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:41,120
Speaker 1: coverage starts at three right here on ninety three five

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02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:43,920
Speaker 1: one oh seven five the fan Jake Query at noon.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us,