WEBVTT - Lanterns - “Dirt and Stars” (S1, E8)

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<v Speaker 1>The frames per second podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on it's your boy nick i'm here with

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<v Speaker 2>kenneth bianch hola and i am spike lou of the

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<v Speaker 2>on deck tv show and another week in the books

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Man absolutely i'm doing well how about yourself Pretty good,

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<v Speaker 3>pretty good. Well, actually, not too good.

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen picked a horrible time to be busy.

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<v Speaker 3>So he won't be able to join us for our.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we'll get his final thoughts somewhere, but he

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<v Speaker 2>won't be able to join us on this episode of

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<v Speaker 2>the Frames Per Second podcast, which is what you are

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<v Speaker 2>all now tuned into. We are concluding our weekly recaps

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<v Speaker 2>of the hit HBO original series coming from the DC

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<v Speaker 2>Universe titled Lanterns. with this recap being dedicated to Episode

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<v Speaker 2>8 called Dirt and Stars.

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<v Speaker 4>So, this is it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the last hurrah for our recaps of this season.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk more about what the future could be for

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<v Speaker 2>this series.

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<v Speaker 4>Blue, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to start off with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Overall thoughts on the finale, and if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>throw in what you thought of the whole season, now

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<v Speaker 2>that we have it in full scope.

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<v Speaker 5>They scared me in the first half. Well, not even

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<v Speaker 5>the first half. First 10 minutes, maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>I was scared.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't like that. We were like, well, we're going

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<v Speaker 5>back for a bro. Like, if I need to see anything,

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<v Speaker 5>we talked about this. I want to see how they

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<v Speaker 5>got Sinestro out. I think that would be more interesting

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<v Speaker 5>the way y'all got me right now. So I was

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<v Speaker 5>nervous when they started. But as the episode progressed and

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<v Speaker 5>I saw the story that they were telling, I think

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<v Speaker 5>that they did it perfectly.

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<v Speaker 4>I know I was down on most.

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<v Speaker 5>All of the episodes since five have been kind of

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<v Speaker 5>down on this one, brought it back up to me

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<v Speaker 5>just with the conversations and wrapping up and showing how

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<v Speaker 5>everything happened. It started falling into place. Some of the

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<v Speaker 5>things that we said on here, we start to sort

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<v Speaker 5>of be true or not true.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, OK, cool. They're doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>They're doing the thing. So all in all, at the end,

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<v Speaker 3>I was happy. I was satisfied with the end.

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<v Speaker 5>And I did wonder when I felt like as a

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<v Speaker 5>non-comic book person, it was going off script. He said,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just going to do my own shit. I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>hold on. I know the nerds going to be pissed

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<v Speaker 5>about this. I went straight to Reddit, Ken. I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I know they mad over there. And I did see

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<v Speaker 5>some people pissed off about it. And I wondered what

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<v Speaker 5>the bigger reaction would be as people started to digest

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<v Speaker 5>the episode as to him going off script and where

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<v Speaker 5>do we go from here. So I was going to

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<v Speaker 5>lean on y'all comic book people to tell me how

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<v Speaker 5>this goes since he didn't want off book now.

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<v Speaker 4>But did you enjoy the episode? Yeah, I fucked with it.

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<v Speaker 4>I liked it.

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<v Speaker 5>This was, this was right up there with the first

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<v Speaker 5>half of the, um, season for me. Like this episode

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<v Speaker 5>kind of solidified it. We were talking about top 10 lists.

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't, I was like, this probably won't make it

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<v Speaker 5>for me, even though I've enjoyed it. But this episode

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<v Speaker 5>put it back in the conversation as to his may

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<v Speaker 5>make it.

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<v Speaker 4>All right. Ken, what about you?

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed the series from start to finish. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and this episode basically kind of, um, seal the deal

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<v Speaker 1>on that. Um, you know, all seasons will have highs

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<v Speaker 1>and lows, um, in terms of like quality or favorites

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<v Speaker 1>or whatnot, but in terms of like a complete story, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed the season and this, this episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed a lot. Um, they, they did a lot

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<v Speaker 1>in this little hour that they had to work with. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but they managed to pull it off to where it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't feel as rushed to me as it may to others,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because I felt like they really wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>just complete the story and end it just in case

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<v Speaker 1>they don't get renewed for a second season.

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<v Speaker 4>But there were some.

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<v Speaker 1>Things to Spike's point that we'll get into that I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, wait, how did that happen?

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<v Speaker 4>How did this happen? You know, what's this and what's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I enjoyed this episode a lot. I thought this

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<v Speaker 2>is a great run-through of a season, like you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>I think between both of y'all that if they don't

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<v Speaker 2>get renewed for season two or if the rumors kind

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<v Speaker 2>of die down from what the talk is now, because

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<v Speaker 2>they're talking about the writer's room is already kind of

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<v Speaker 2>working on scripts for a second season if they get approved.

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<v Speaker 2>But all in all, for this series, for this season,

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<v Speaker 2>for eight episodes, I was satisfied every episode.

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<v Speaker 3>And this final didn't let me down at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I do feel like for as much of the questions

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<v Speaker 2>that we had going into this finale, they addressed them,

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<v Speaker 2>but they did it very much so in a conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in the first 25 minutes of this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>we got all the questions answered that we kind of wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>And you would think based off of a seven episode,

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<v Speaker 2>basically seven hour buildup to pay off in 25 minutes

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<v Speaker 2>or half an hour, It's kind of interesting, but it

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<v Speaker 2>did well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it did well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we mentioned it earlier that the characters respond

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<v Speaker 2>in the show naturally like how anybody else would. So

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<v Speaker 2>they'll ask the questions at the time that they're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be asked. And I guess based on how the

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<v Speaker 2>flow of this season went, I'm cool with just being like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, I'm going to let that go.

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<v Speaker 5>Seeing it went fast is interesting to me because I

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<v Speaker 5>feel like they were moving a little slow. But I

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<v Speaker 5>think they did it in a good way, like the

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<v Speaker 5>pacing sense of it, slowing it down with those one-on-one conversations.

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<v Speaker 5>And then the last reveal that she shot him, I

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<v Speaker 5>thought they came out a little later with, too.

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<v Speaker 4>I think they paced it good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying the pacing was bad. I'm saying that, again,

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<v Speaker 2>it took two conversations for us to figure out a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of shit. And that's all I'm saying. It's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, the pacing made sense. Like, again, like this,

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<v Speaker 2>how the show has been written. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like we could have maybe fleshed out

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<v Speaker 2>more or maybe spent more time in this area. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm thinking about the season in real time, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe we could have spent less time here, more

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<v Speaker 2>time here kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But I digress. It was a great episode, great season

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<v Speaker 3>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>But we start off this episode with a flashback as

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<v Speaker 2>we travel back to 2016, right after the battle of

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<v Speaker 2>Rushfield took place But this time we see it from

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<v Speaker 2>the perspective of when Sheriff Carey went to go check

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<v Speaker 2>on Hal after he got his ass beat by John.

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<v Speaker 3>Ken, what did you think of how we.

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<v Speaker 2>Started off this episode with us getting the romantic history

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<v Speaker 2>between Hal and Sheriff Carey post-2016?

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<v Speaker 1>They tricked me. And when Spike opened, I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about that meme. You know, they had me in the

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<v Speaker 1>first half, I'm not going to lie.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I thought. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And opening this way, I was with you, Spike. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, why are we going back again? So

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<v Speaker 1>what did we not see that they want us to see?

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<v Speaker 1>And the way they kind of filled in the gaps,

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of told this story in patches. One, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they told us, Hal told us, I was writing her

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<v Speaker 1>while I was in jail, et cetera, et cetera. So

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<v Speaker 1>when she's showing up, waiting for him to come out

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<v Speaker 1>of prison, you know, all of that made sense. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I like how they did that. And just her

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<v Speaker 1>just knowing the consequences of everything, not liking the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that she was right in what she told him, him

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<v Speaker 1>saying that, damn, I probably should have left. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>all those things, everything that we've seen leading up to

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<v Speaker 1>this point kind of culminated in that conversation that they had,

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<v Speaker 1>a brief conversation that they had, which led to them

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<v Speaker 1>forming a relationship with And later on when he, when

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<v Speaker 1>he got out of prison. So, um, no, I, I

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<v Speaker 1>really did really did like how they did that. And,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's when they, they kind of trained me. Cause

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as it opened, I was like, damn, Noah

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<v Speaker 1>killed this motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 4>And I, and I felt stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, how the fuck did I even think

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<v Speaker 1>about Noah?

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<v Speaker 4>We said that. Oh, hello about Noah. I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember saying Noah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, yeah, I thought it was always Gary.

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<v Speaker 5>I think Jalen and I shared the opinion that it

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<v Speaker 5>was something up with the sun.

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<v Speaker 4>We just couldn't put our finger on what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>What was the question?

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<v Speaker 2>I was just saying, what did you think about how

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<v Speaker 2>we started off with their romantic background?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I didn't think that I needed this in the

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<v Speaker 5>moment while I was watching it, but it made sense

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<v Speaker 5>why they showed it. when they circled back around to

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<v Speaker 5>the conversation that she has with John at the football game,

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<v Speaker 5>like they had to put everything together to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>You had to start at that point.

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<v Speaker 5>So in the moment watching it, I'm like, bro, come on,

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<v Speaker 5>we know this already, but I got what he did.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, it was also, it was interesting from the

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<v Speaker 2>standpoint of Lou. I didn't, I didn't realize that Lou,

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<v Speaker 2>written words can mean so much to somebody because she

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<v Speaker 2>was at the she was ready with flowers in a six-pack.

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<v Speaker 5>Bro like that's what that's why i feel like i

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<v Speaker 5>didn't need it in the moment but i know why

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<v Speaker 5>they showed it at the end because i felt like

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<v Speaker 5>all that shit was fake like you're talking about the

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<v Speaker 5>written why she didn't i don't think she liked dude

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<v Speaker 5>at all she always knew she needed him to what

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<v Speaker 5>she at some point had to get him on the

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<v Speaker 5>side of where he would like want to run.

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<v Speaker 4>Away with her.

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<v Speaker 5>Like he was talking about it to Guadalajara or whatever

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<v Speaker 5>it may be. But I think all of that was her,

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<v Speaker 5>like setting a honey trap for him to steal from

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<v Speaker 5>lioness but why because she didn't want him to kill

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<v Speaker 5>her son so she wanted to keep it close and

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<v Speaker 5>bring him in.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes no sense why that makes no because it

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<v Speaker 2>to me it's like she didn't have to do all

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<v Speaker 2>that like we'll get to it we'll get to it

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to it because um my thing was more

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<v Speaker 2>so based off the the love that she had for

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<v Speaker 2>ham at least going like going into this episode at

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<v Speaker 2>this point of the episode, um, I didn't realize how

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<v Speaker 2>much time he, they spent talking back and forth in

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<v Speaker 2>that 10 years while he was locked up. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you see her outside waiting for him, it was, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for him, how lonely he's been, how much

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<v Speaker 2>he's always wanted love, like to have that person be

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<v Speaker 2>there and take him back to the place that, um,

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<v Speaker 2>he still has a lot of regret in was very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting for me. Um, And then we get to see, again,

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<v Speaker 2>the romanticized relationship with them sleeping together.

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<v Speaker 3>That nigga still had his boots on, kid.

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<v Speaker 2>He got home quick. He took everything but his boots off.

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<v Speaker 2>We see how their relationship goes. And he's just chilling

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<v Speaker 2>at the crib, feeding his plant, Earl. And then all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, Ken, we went back to, we did

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<v Speaker 2>another flashback to 1954 where they throwing Molotov cocktails to

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<v Speaker 2>a nigga house in Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 3>But this time it's for the white man.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken, what did you think about the scene that led

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<v Speaker 2>us to Hal waking up in the lab?

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<v Speaker 1>They were really feeling a lot of, like, or answering questions.

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<v Speaker 1>So it definitely felt very racist. And I remember that

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<v Speaker 1>dinner scene when she actually got up and gave them

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<v Speaker 1>this ass, this big long ass speech, like he's with me.

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<v Speaker 1>And they went right back to talking about her ass.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't give a fuck because they hate him.

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<v Speaker 1>So it made sense that they would still continue to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get rid of him because all that shit

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<v Speaker 1>that she said didn't mean anything.

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<v Speaker 4>They'll get rid of her as if they had to.

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<v Speaker 1>And Seeing him not have a ring, be human, and

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<v Speaker 1>not know how to get out of that situation because

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<v Speaker 1>he's always had a ring was interesting to where he

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<v Speaker 1>fell through the ground and then that was it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I get why he ran upstairs, but what's that going

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<v Speaker 1>to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was like, that made no sense at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he died, I was like, when he fell

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<v Speaker 1>through the floor, and I was like, well, shit. Is

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<v Speaker 1>this motherfucker a clone? Because ain't no way in hell

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting out of this. And then he woke up

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<v Speaker 1>where he was, and then the feet were coming through.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, shit, this motherfucker Noah. For a second,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought.

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<v Speaker 4>That the grandmama was still alive, and she was kind

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<v Speaker 4>of for some kind of trick. But it was actually Noah.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think they did it well. I think they

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<v Speaker 4>did it well. The only thing we're missing was a

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<v Speaker 4>burning cross.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Lou, what did you think about the reveal that Noah

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<v Speaker 2>is the mail hunter?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is a man on it?

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I knew it.

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<v Speaker 5>It was like the Once Upon a Time meme with

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<v Speaker 5>Brad Pitt pointing at the TV. That's how I felt

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<v Speaker 5>because I feel like I knew there was something off

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<v Speaker 5>about him. I was in the same position as Ken

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<v Speaker 5>when the building was burning and my man was in there.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was like, how are you going to get

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<v Speaker 5>out of this?

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<v Speaker 4>And how did he get there? Did he throw the

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<v Speaker 4>plant out the window?

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<v Speaker 3>No, he had the plant the whole time. He fell

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<v Speaker 3>with it. To where the plant go? Because it ain't dead,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 4>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was just something. We don't give a fuck

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<v Speaker 3>about the plant like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Got it, got it, got it. So, I mean, but

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<v Speaker 5>the plant's still alive. That's what made me wonder, like,

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<v Speaker 5>how did the plant get out of there? Because he

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<v Speaker 5>regenerated him. But yeah, the reveal was good. I understood

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<v Speaker 5>now more while we were back in time because it

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<v Speaker 5>was walking us into the reveal and what that meant

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<v Speaker 5>and what type of secrets people had on top of

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<v Speaker 5>the reveal.

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<v Speaker 4>So I like this.

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<v Speaker 5>I like the whole thing because I definitely was questioning

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<v Speaker 5>the Hal situation from that. Well, not the hell situation.

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<v Speaker 5>We seen he redid the skin. So I was understanding

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<v Speaker 5>that Noah was the manhunter by then.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was more curious.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I was I wish they spend an episode with

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<v Speaker 2>Noah where we get to see how he thinks, how

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<v Speaker 2>he was able to operate. Because clearly there's something about

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<v Speaker 2>these manhunters that they have an interesting mind, even as

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<v Speaker 2>youth like. And we'll get to life. The elaboration of

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm talking about, but it seems like he knew

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<v Speaker 2>way more than I expected. I'm thinking he's a manhunter

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<v Speaker 2>as far as he doesn't know he is one until

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<v Speaker 2>maybe down the line. Maybe there was an incident that

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<v Speaker 2>he realized he was a different kind of being. But

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<v Speaker 2>the way they introduced him in this beginning part of

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<v Speaker 2>the episode was like he knew for a minute and

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<v Speaker 2>he had.

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<v Speaker 3>All the access to the technologies and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the only thing that I push back on

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<v Speaker 2>as far as like, why didn't we spend more time

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<v Speaker 2>with learning about Noah before? Like to have this as

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<v Speaker 2>a reveal at the end and then kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>shoehorn this was kind of like, I wish I would

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<v Speaker 2>have spent more time with this character.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah they um they yeah i feel you on that

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<v Speaker 1>because he walked out in full like villain mode exactly

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<v Speaker 1>but they yeah but they really wanted to keep like

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<v Speaker 1>this big sort of secret i got you sort of

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<v Speaker 1>thing that they were doing um but yeah understanding his

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<v Speaker 1>his mindset when it comes to stuff would have been

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<v Speaker 1>helpful to understand what's going.

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<v Speaker 2>On with him yeah um We then cut back to

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<v Speaker 2>present day right after learning that the title card came

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<v Speaker 2>after Noah was revealed. And we go back to where

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<v Speaker 2>we left off in the last episode where John finding Sinestro.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have a conversation about what happened between Hal

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<v Speaker 2>getting out of jail and up.

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<v Speaker 3>To his death. Ken, what did you think about this

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<v Speaker 3>interrogation scene between them two?

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<v Speaker 4>Hal and what was the other person? Sinestro.

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<v Speaker 3>Sinestro.

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<v Speaker 4>Sinestro, Sinestro.

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<v Speaker 1>So, no, I really, really like this a lot because.

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<v Speaker 4>Sinestro don't know how John get down. He learn real quick.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody getting their introduction to a nigga quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I love seeing him kind of, he learned

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<v Speaker 1>a lot from Hal, whether he know it or not.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, he was in his Hal mode listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Dissecting stuff and then putting together what happened. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was really, really dope seeing him have that conversation and

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<v Speaker 1>Hal not even really being there and popping up later.

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<v Speaker 1>I really liked how he did that. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>was wondering, why does Sinestro not want to talk to John?

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<v Speaker 4>Why does he want to talk to Hal so much?

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like there was a conversation or something that Sinestro.

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<v Speaker 4>Had that Hal knew that we didn't get a chance

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<v Speaker 4>to witness. It was really weird because he didn't really

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<v Speaker 4>want to talk to the Negro at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was saying the two ways, Ken. I was

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<v Speaker 2>saying it in the way of like, he's black and

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to talk to the white man. Because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the authority. But he was also kind of like, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was kind of submitting myself to the show and

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<v Speaker 2>being like, what was, I was curious to know what

0:17:21.020 --> 0:17:24.879
<v Speaker 2>was the last conversation they had before Hal. Because it

0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.160
<v Speaker 2>seemed like that's what Sinatra was trying to follow up with.

0:17:27.740 --> 0:17:30.000
<v Speaker 2>And obviously we didn't get that in this episode. We

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<v Speaker 2>just got We just see that John go back to

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<v Speaker 2>his military training, start waterboarding.

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<v Speaker 5>Motherfuckers quick to get his asses. I ain't got to

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<v Speaker 5>have enough of this bullshit. I love this scene. I

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<v Speaker 5>like that we were missing context because it made the

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<v Speaker 5>conversation more interesting. And as a viewer, I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 5>figure out, is he lying? It's like what Ken said.

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<v Speaker 5>You know that there's a conversation that's been had with Sinestro,

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<v Speaker 5>but I can't really tell what it means for John.

0:17:59.830 --> 0:18:01.409
<v Speaker 5>And why you don't want to talk to John. So

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<v Speaker 5>that was a really interesting conversation. The actor did an

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<v Speaker 5>amazing job. I like how John didn't break. Like, man,

0:18:07.070 --> 0:18:08.830
<v Speaker 5>fuck all of this. And took him, like you said,

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<v Speaker 5>to the lake. I like the questions about the lantern, too,

0:18:12.230 --> 0:18:14.939
<v Speaker 5>and what the lines in it means as far as

0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.200
<v Speaker 5>it being different from the original ones and where that goes.

0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.280
<v Speaker 5>So there's a lot of interesting stuff right there. And

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<v Speaker 5>I like Hal's response. And when he was told that

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<v Speaker 5>you talk too much at the end, when he was

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<v Speaker 5>like that. Almost had me, but she talked too much.

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<v Speaker 4>But what did that mean, though? I thought it meant

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<v Speaker 4>something else. I did, too. I liked that it was ambiguous.

0:18:37.869 --> 0:18:41.050
<v Speaker 2>I took it as, again, this is me real-time processing

0:18:41.210 --> 0:18:43.450
<v Speaker 2>now that we're talking it out. I took it as

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<v Speaker 2>when Hal said that right before they did, it was

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<v Speaker 2>more of like, you just will say anything to get

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<v Speaker 2>yourself either out of a situation or to Try to

0:18:54.500 --> 0:18:57.480
<v Speaker 2>convince us we should get you, we should assist you

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<v Speaker 2>in your situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, you know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, you're going to just say, you're going to throw

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<v Speaker 2>everything against the wall to see what sticks.

0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.500
<v Speaker 3>You don't really have anything. You already told us everything

0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.179
<v Speaker 3>we needed. When John was wireboarding that motherfucker, he was like, hey, bro, please.

0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.300
<v Speaker 4>Don't put me back in that motherfucker. I don't never

0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:11.880
<v Speaker 4>want to see that again.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't never want to put that motherfucker here. And

0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:16.340
<v Speaker 2>that's what the question John asked, like, what are you

0:19:16.380 --> 0:19:17.960
<v Speaker 2>afraid to say? What are you afraid to see? I

0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:18.469
<v Speaker 2>wanted him to.

0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.010
<v Speaker 3>Say that, but he didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, we may see something down the line, but I did,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like Hal, even past version Hal, because that

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<v Speaker 2>Halogram is 2006 Hal. It's not even remotely close to

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<v Speaker 2>the Hal that we knew. I feel like he knew

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<v Speaker 2>something about Sinistro, like even then.

0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:40.210
<v Speaker 3>To even say what he said.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also got this feeling from their conversation, uh

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<v Speaker 2>ken i don't know were you surprised that sinestro like

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<v Speaker 2>the way the show has been positioned in sinestro it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like how the comic books all the way where

0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.619
<v Speaker 2>he's like the outright villain it seemed like he was

0:19:57.700 --> 0:20:01.550
<v Speaker 2>more of a under misunderstood anti-hero you know what i

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<v Speaker 2>mean and i thought that was different from the comic lore.

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<v Speaker 1>I do agree because he was trying to it's almost

0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:13.260
<v Speaker 1>like he was trying to give John Johnson some gang about,

0:20:13.580 --> 0:20:16.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, doing this job and the different aspects of

0:20:16.260 --> 0:20:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the job, the different colors to a certain degree of

0:20:19.820 --> 0:20:22.740
<v Speaker 1>the job, which we didn't get into. And that's that's

0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:24.780
<v Speaker 1>part of what he was talking about with that lantern

0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:29.140
<v Speaker 1>spike in the scratches on it, because, you know, the

0:20:29.740 --> 0:20:36.760
<v Speaker 1>the Sinestro is is yellow. And, yeah, which is a

0:20:36.820 --> 0:20:40.129
<v Speaker 1>weakness of green. But we didn't get into all that shit.

0:20:40.230 --> 0:20:43.830
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't really needed. But that's kind of what

0:20:43.850 --> 0:20:47.450
<v Speaker 1>they were dropping the hint towards with that charger being

0:20:47.510 --> 0:20:51.750
<v Speaker 1>built from that energy. And, you know, what kind of

0:20:51.810 --> 0:20:55.100
<v Speaker 1>consequences will come from that? And that's what he was

0:20:55.130 --> 0:20:57.980
<v Speaker 1>telling me. Like, fear, they make it seem like it's

0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:02.840
<v Speaker 1>one thing, but it's another. And, again, once again, it's somebody...

0:21:03.220 --> 0:21:06.570
<v Speaker 1>that's done this job that's worked with the guardians that's

0:21:06.609 --> 0:21:11.050
<v Speaker 1>saying you can always trust what they are saying you

0:21:11.070 --> 0:21:15.090
<v Speaker 1>know these motherfuckers be lying and they'll manipulate you so

0:21:15.390 --> 0:21:18.810
<v Speaker 1>i did i did like that conversation again i this

0:21:18.869 --> 0:21:21.080
<v Speaker 1>is the one part i really really wish we would

0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:25.940
<v Speaker 1>have spent more time with sinestro john and how because

0:21:25.980 --> 0:21:28.820
<v Speaker 1>there's so much i felt like we could have gotten

0:21:28.859 --> 0:21:29.260
<v Speaker 1>from them.

0:21:29.460 --> 0:21:31.350
<v Speaker 2>There was so much added to it, and Lou, I

0:21:31.350 --> 0:21:33.490
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you want to agree with me because, like, one,

0:21:33.510 --> 0:21:35.950
<v Speaker 2>we find out that a nigga can forge a lantern.

0:21:36.690 --> 0:21:39.890
<v Speaker 4>Right. That's fine. Why don't they just make one?

0:21:40.210 --> 0:21:42.100
<v Speaker 2>Again, I haven't read the comics in a long time,

0:21:42.130 --> 0:21:46.220
<v Speaker 2>but I don't remember that ever being something that, like,

0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.300
<v Speaker 2>outside of the Guardians and being on planet Oa, where

0:21:49.340 --> 0:21:51.790
<v Speaker 2>all the Green Lanterns are, I ain't never heard about

0:21:51.810 --> 0:21:57.379
<v Speaker 2>a nigga just doing it in the goddamn garage. In

0:21:57.420 --> 0:22:04.619
<v Speaker 2>Sanford's son's antique shop, basically. And then two, the conversations

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:08.510
<v Speaker 2>Hal had with Sinestro as far as about Noah. And

0:22:08.550 --> 0:22:11.429
<v Speaker 2>Sinestro was like, nigga, I told that motherfucker to kill him.

0:22:12.890 --> 0:22:16.669
<v Speaker 2>And then he was saying, I told him that because Noah,

0:22:16.690 --> 0:22:19.350
<v Speaker 2>the kid's motivation is revenge. He wants to kill the

0:22:19.410 --> 0:22:21.830
<v Speaker 2>guardians and he wants to you know, get revenge on

0:22:21.869 --> 0:22:24.310
<v Speaker 2>the Lanterns. And Sinestra was the only one that knew

0:22:24.330 --> 0:22:26.450
<v Speaker 2>that shit. So it was just like, there was so

0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:28.320
<v Speaker 2>much like, damn, like, how did this happen?

0:22:28.340 --> 0:22:30.620
<v Speaker 3>When did this happen? Because Noah had the portal. So

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:31.720
<v Speaker 3>Noah's been there before.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean?

0:22:32.260 --> 0:22:37.340
<v Speaker 2>So it's just, it was, it was all just like, again,

0:22:37.380 --> 0:22:39.790
<v Speaker 2>like you mentioned, Ken, so we could have spent half.

0:22:39.609 --> 0:22:43.520
<v Speaker 4>An hour just in that scene alone. But we didn't.

0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:46.840
<v Speaker 3>John was like, you know what, I'm out.

0:22:47.260 --> 0:22:49.100
<v Speaker 2>And then Sinestro was like, nigga, you ain't even going

0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:49.919
<v Speaker 2>to leave me a boat.

0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:52.520
<v Speaker 4>You ain't going to leave me a raft. He said,

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.500
<v Speaker 4>I can't swim through this shit. I'm just going to die.

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.480
<v Speaker 3>It was crazy. That nigga was screaming.

0:22:58.530 --> 0:23:02.200
<v Speaker 4>He was pissed. That was fucked up. That was fucked up.

0:23:02.210 --> 0:23:04.889
<v Speaker 4>That's horrible. He can't leave there. Nah, he can't leave. Like,

0:23:05.270 --> 0:23:07.510
<v Speaker 4>how can he? So he's stuck. He don't got no portal.

0:23:07.730 --> 0:23:08.230
<v Speaker 4>That's what it is.

0:23:08.670 --> 0:23:09.290
<v Speaker 3>Not even that.

0:23:09.410 --> 0:23:13.270
<v Speaker 2>It's like he can't leave that specific island.

0:23:13.290 --> 0:23:15.189
<v Speaker 3>Because think about it. Remember the journey there when it

0:23:15.230 --> 0:23:15.689
<v Speaker 3>was raining?

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:17.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the rain and the water.

0:23:17.220 --> 0:23:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Even if it's raining or even if you fall into

0:23:19.260 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 2>the water, but your fears are going to take over

0:23:21.740 --> 0:23:24.139
<v Speaker 2>you where you can't surpass it. So you're either going

0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.119
<v Speaker 2>to drown or you're just going to go mad.

0:23:26.140 --> 0:23:27.359
<v Speaker 3>You're going to go crazy. You're not even going to

0:23:27.380 --> 0:23:29.560
<v Speaker 3>be yourself. So you're basically dying. So it's just like that's.

0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.000
<v Speaker 4>What he's like. And nobody really know he there either,

0:23:31.020 --> 0:23:33.440
<v Speaker 4>do they? No one's there. But him. That's what I'm saying.

0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:35.500
<v Speaker 4>Nobody know he there to go get him. Yeah. To

0:23:35.540 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 4>save him.

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:36.540
<v Speaker 1>So.

0:23:37.180 --> 0:23:37.260
<v Speaker 4>Hmm.

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he's messed up. Like, how is he going

0:23:39.740 --> 0:23:41.870
<v Speaker 1>to eat? How is he going to get off? He's

0:23:41.910 --> 0:23:44.350
<v Speaker 1>going to get off, but how? Who's going to go

0:23:44.390 --> 0:23:46.850
<v Speaker 1>get him? And I'm with you, man. That's the one

0:23:46.910 --> 0:23:48.810
<v Speaker 1>regret I did have. I would have loved to have.

0:23:48.710 --> 0:23:52.060
<v Speaker 4>Seen the Noah Sinestro storyline.

0:23:52.700 --> 0:23:53.180
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:55.540
<v Speaker 1>And we didn't get that. They just told us, yeah,

0:23:55.580 --> 0:23:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Noah came, he broke me out, and, you know, it

0:23:57.980 --> 0:24:01.160
<v Speaker 1>was what it was. Yeah, and I made him a lantern.

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.840
<v Speaker 4>Because, you know. he broke me out and I know

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.160
<v Speaker 4>he wants to go kill everybody, but you know, I.

0:24:06.100 --> 0:24:09.580
<v Speaker 1>Told how to kill him and he did like, I really,

0:24:09.619 --> 0:24:11.600
<v Speaker 1>really wish we could have really seen all of that.

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:13.899
<v Speaker 2>And then on top of that, before we move on,

0:24:14.220 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 2>he said, Oh yeah, by the way, I could bring

0:24:15.619 --> 0:24:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Hal back.

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:20.869
<v Speaker 4>If you want me to. The real Hal. Is that

0:24:20.910 --> 0:24:22.109
<v Speaker 4>when he said you talk too much?

0:24:22.609 --> 0:24:22.810
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:24:22.869 --> 0:24:25.150
<v Speaker 4>Something like that. It was like, it was around that time.

0:24:25.170 --> 0:24:26.770
<v Speaker 3>It definitely got Hal attention.

0:24:26.790 --> 0:24:27.470
<v Speaker 4>The hologram.

0:24:27.650 --> 0:24:27.850
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:24:27.910 --> 0:24:29.070
<v Speaker 4>It got my attention.

0:24:29.430 --> 0:24:31.330
<v Speaker 1>But I think that's, I think Nick, to what you

0:24:31.350 --> 0:24:34.130
<v Speaker 1>were saying earlier, I think that's when he realized, this

0:24:34.230 --> 0:24:35.030
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker lying.

0:24:35.950 --> 0:24:38.390
<v Speaker 4>That's why he's lying.

0:24:38.430 --> 0:24:41.850
<v Speaker 2>You're right. He said, one too many promises. It was like,

0:24:41.869 --> 0:24:43.820
<v Speaker 2>all right, bro, I can just see you bullshit now.

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:49.080
<v Speaker 5>If you would have just stuck to the ladder, you

0:24:49.100 --> 0:24:49.700
<v Speaker 5>would have been good.

0:24:54.090 --> 0:24:56.710
<v Speaker 4>We all know a nigga who say one thing too much. Oh,

0:24:56.790 --> 0:24:58.170
<v Speaker 4>you got it.

0:24:58.210 --> 0:24:58.850
<v Speaker 3>You almost had it.

0:24:58.850 --> 0:24:59.149
<v Speaker 6>You got it.

0:24:59.150 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 4>It's cool. I almost gave you a ride to that bullshit. Oh, man.

0:25:06.700 --> 0:25:09.859
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<v Speaker 2>But this also made me think, quick segue, season two

0:25:50.830 --> 0:25:54.659
<v Speaker 2>has been rumored. We know that- We know that the

0:25:55.300 --> 0:25:59.070
<v Speaker 2>original trio, the original creators of this show, two out

0:25:59.109 --> 0:26:03.010
<v Speaker 2>of three are not coming back. Only Tom King, or Mundy,

0:26:03.130 --> 0:26:06.250
<v Speaker 2>I think Mundy, is coming back to lead the.

0:26:06.210 --> 0:26:07.070
<v Speaker 4>Writers' room.

0:26:08.590 --> 0:26:10.510
<v Speaker 2>Most of the people who wrote outside of the main

0:26:10.550 --> 0:26:13.489
<v Speaker 2>three who created this are coming back to the writers' room. Now,

0:26:14.310 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 2>as of this episode is being recorded, they have not greenlit.

0:26:18.730 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 2>HBO has not greenlit for season two. And then also

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.389
<v Speaker 2>in the backdrop of that, Ken, you already know if

0:26:24.410 --> 0:26:27.470
<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about business, there's a huge merger

0:26:27.510 --> 0:26:31.189
<v Speaker 2>between Paramount and Warner Brothers that, if anything, I think

0:26:31.260 --> 0:26:34.620
<v Speaker 2>is already approved. And that's going to change the landscape

0:26:34.660 --> 0:26:37.940
<v Speaker 2>of how things are done at HBO. So for right now,

0:26:38.660 --> 0:26:40.740
<v Speaker 2>nothing is confirmed, but they do have a lot of

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:42.740
<v Speaker 2>stories they can go back to if they do want

0:26:42.780 --> 0:26:44.180
<v Speaker 2>to do a season two. And like you said, Ken,

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.459
<v Speaker 2>you reminded me, this show ain't called Jon Stewart, it's

0:26:46.500 --> 0:26:49.780
<v Speaker 2>called Lanterns. So they can go into a whole different direction, Lou,

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.990
<v Speaker 2>and focus on other characters, other lanterns, Outside of this one,

0:26:54.030 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 2>which I think everybody would.

0:26:55.230 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 4>Hate, but.

0:26:56.740 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 5>Damn near 20 million per episode. They're going to do

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:02.500
<v Speaker 5>something with it. I think the question is going to

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:04.899
<v Speaker 5>be how incorporative is it going to be in the

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:09.890
<v Speaker 5>James Gunn's universe? I think that's the question as to

0:27:09.930 --> 0:27:10.570
<v Speaker 5>what HBO.

0:27:10.450 --> 0:27:11.169
<v Speaker 4>Is going to do with it.

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 3>Am I wrong in saying that James Gunn, he over

0:27:14.780 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 3>the DC main.

0:27:15.619 --> 0:27:16.160
<v Speaker 4>Universe, right?

0:27:16.220 --> 0:27:18.270
<v Speaker 3>It's him and this other guy. He's the main, like

0:27:18.330 --> 0:27:19.690
<v Speaker 3>it's only half of him.

0:27:19.770 --> 0:27:24.649
<v Speaker 5>From what I read, that we won't see John again

0:27:24.710 --> 0:27:27.730
<v Speaker 5>until the movie come out, whatever movie that they're talking about.

0:27:28.750 --> 0:27:30.990
<v Speaker 5>So I think that we get more story from that

0:27:31.170 --> 0:27:34.620
<v Speaker 5>and it depends on what he does with him there.

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 3>But how long before the movie come out? The movie

0:27:37.619 --> 0:27:41.050
<v Speaker 3>come out next year. So two years from now, would

0:27:41.070 --> 0:27:43.770
<v Speaker 3>they have a season two? Yeah, I could see that.

0:27:44.330 --> 0:27:46.390
<v Speaker 3>But I think it all depends on James Gunn, though, honestly.

0:27:47.210 --> 0:27:50.130
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think writers, because I read the article,

0:27:51.290 --> 0:27:54.070
<v Speaker 1>and when I read it, he didn't say the shit

0:27:54.109 --> 0:27:55.540
<v Speaker 1>that was in the headline.

0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 4>He just said they were just working on ideas.

0:27:59.460 --> 0:28:02.580
<v Speaker 1>And I think writers always kind of work ahead and

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:07.239
<v Speaker 1>start working on ideas just in case it gets greenlit

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:08.540
<v Speaker 1>for another season.

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.100
<v Speaker 4>That way they can kind of be already be working ahead.

0:28:12.220 --> 0:28:15.170
<v Speaker 2>Now, again, they have a lot of, they said based

0:28:15.190 --> 0:28:19.350
<v Speaker 2>on average viewership, it was between like 12, 19, like

0:28:19.350 --> 0:28:22.430
<v Speaker 2>12 to 19 million people viewing per episode, which is huge,

0:28:22.530 --> 0:28:24.170
<v Speaker 2>especially in this day and age TV.

0:28:24.859 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 3>But we've seen popular shows not get renewed before.

0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Too, especially with black leads, especially on HBO when it

0:28:31.220 --> 0:28:32.500
<v Speaker 2>comes to Lovecraft country.

0:28:32.540 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 4>You mentioned it.

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:33.540
<v Speaker 3>Watch me.

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:34.700
<v Speaker 3>Watch me.

0:28:34.820 --> 0:28:37.820
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, And I think the two or three

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 2>of those shows had the Dave Lindelof and all them

0:28:40.340 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 2>on there too.

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:42.060
<v Speaker 3>So we'll see.

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 2>But, uh, going back to the episode, we then see

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:49.380
<v Speaker 2>Hal and John literally Sinestro hanging on an Island.

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 4>It's just fucked up. Like you met your kid.

0:28:51.870 --> 0:28:55.430
<v Speaker 2>Um, um, and as he, as early, even they try

0:28:55.450 --> 0:28:57.670
<v Speaker 2>to head back to Rushfield with a new mission at hand,

0:28:58.650 --> 0:29:00.750
<v Speaker 2>but during their.

0:29:00.630 --> 0:29:03.650
<v Speaker 3>Path back, they have a conversation on the boat.

0:29:04.650 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Um, And it made me curious, Lou, Hal kept on saying, bro,

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 2>recharge that ring, knowing that if he recharges the ring,

0:29:12.820 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Hal's conscience is gone because then it becomes, you know,

0:29:15.420 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 2>a new ownership.

0:29:18.220 --> 0:29:19.979
<v Speaker 3>I felt like John was kicking the can on that

0:29:20.030 --> 0:29:22.490
<v Speaker 3>the whole episode, bro. Like, he really just wanted to

0:29:22.530 --> 0:29:23.270
<v Speaker 3>keep talking and.

0:29:23.130 --> 0:29:25.790
<v Speaker 5>Doing that with us, man. Like, bro, put the goddamn

0:29:25.850 --> 0:29:29.410
<v Speaker 5>ring in there. But I also think, I also think, too,

0:29:29.430 --> 0:29:35.950
<v Speaker 5>that they're going, I think the bird shit, came to

0:29:35.990 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 5>my mind with this hologram of Hal stuff because the

0:29:40.260 --> 0:29:42.660
<v Speaker 5>ring is damn near dead if not dead all the

0:29:42.700 --> 0:29:46.020
<v Speaker 5>way I think I think that he's doing the same

0:29:46.060 --> 0:29:48.940
<v Speaker 5>thing with Hal now with his subconscious that he was

0:29:48.980 --> 0:29:51.380
<v Speaker 5>doing with that bird that's how strong his subconscious is

0:29:52.330 --> 0:29:54.050
<v Speaker 5>I don't think it's the ring that's bringing him there.

0:29:56.930 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 1>It better not be because they They explicitly said, you

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:06.469
<v Speaker 1>have seven minutes left of power. And that motherfucker lasted

0:30:06.510 --> 0:30:11.570
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the goddamn episode. That shit bothers the

0:30:11.730 --> 0:30:14.110
<v Speaker 1>fuck out of me. Because I can count.

0:30:16.090 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, there ain't no way in hell.

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.580
<v Speaker 2>To me, it was just like, this is why I

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:24.940
<v Speaker 2>keep mentioning the charge of the ring, if it don't

0:30:24.980 --> 0:30:25.700
<v Speaker 2>really matter.

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:26.660
<v Speaker 4>He's supposed to.

0:30:28.500 --> 0:30:30.480
<v Speaker 3>Stop in the middle of the sentence. Like, you know

0:30:30.500 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying? Like, it just go dead.

0:30:32.100 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Like, I, I get what they're doing, but to me,

0:30:34.580 --> 0:30:36.140
<v Speaker 2>it's just like, then why you kill off Hal if

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:37.020
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to keep him this way?

0:30:37.060 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean? It's just like, I'm not saying,

0:30:38.850 --> 0:30:40.380
<v Speaker 4>that's what I'm saying. I think he's going to keep

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:42.330
<v Speaker 4>popping up. I can't get serious for him.

0:30:42.490 --> 0:30:44.930
<v Speaker 3>Lula, I keep telling you, Kyle Chandler and his contract,

0:30:44.970 --> 0:30:46.090
<v Speaker 3>it gotta be, I.

0:30:46.030 --> 0:30:47.709
<v Speaker 4>Gotta get killed off.

0:30:47.790 --> 0:30:49.969
<v Speaker 5>I don't want to come back or, Maybe I'll do

0:30:50.070 --> 0:30:52.150
<v Speaker 5>a flashback or some shit like this.

0:30:52.450 --> 0:30:53.450
<v Speaker 4>He like to move around.

0:30:53.650 --> 0:30:55.790
<v Speaker 3>Think about how fire mayor of Kingstown would have been

0:30:55.830 --> 0:30:56.630
<v Speaker 3>if he stayed on.

0:30:56.670 --> 0:30:56.990
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:30:57.330 --> 0:31:01.380
<v Speaker 3>If he stayed on, that's the greatest show ever. Spoiler alert,

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 3>but it's an early spoiler for the show.

0:31:03.580 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 4>But he would have been nuts. Facts.

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 5>Man, so you're right. He must have something wrote in

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.500
<v Speaker 5>his contract. Like, look, I'll do it. But I need

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 5>some freedom because a movie or something.

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 4>Will come up.

0:31:16.540 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 5>That's why I think he's going to come back to this, man.

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.580
<v Speaker 5>Maybe it's my mayor of Kingstown and me and you

0:31:22.660 --> 0:31:24.220
<v Speaker 5>knowing that and it being in the back of my head.

0:31:24.820 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 5>But I just think he's going to keep coming back.

0:31:26.380 --> 0:31:27.900
<v Speaker 5>So I think it's got something to do with his

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:30.790
<v Speaker 5>subconscious and that bird shit that they showed us in

0:31:30.850 --> 0:31:32.650
<v Speaker 5>episode two versus the ring.

0:31:33.990 --> 0:31:34.550
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we'll see.

0:31:37.010 --> 0:31:39.070
<v Speaker 2>I did find it. I don't know about you, Ken.

0:31:39.090 --> 0:31:40.870
<v Speaker 2>I found it funny that once John got back through

0:31:40.890 --> 0:31:43.310
<v Speaker 2>the portal, There was an ass whooping by a teenager

0:31:43.370 --> 0:31:48.770
<v Speaker 2>waiting for him on the other side. Was it weird

0:31:48.830 --> 0:31:53.230
<v Speaker 2>that Noah made John drive him, beat his ass, took

0:31:53.270 --> 0:31:55.510
<v Speaker 2>his ring, and then said, can you drive me to

0:31:55.530 --> 0:31:56.230
<v Speaker 2>my football game?

0:31:56.930 --> 0:31:59.830
<v Speaker 1>I was so disappointed in John in this and in

0:31:59.910 --> 0:32:02.590
<v Speaker 1>another scene. I was like, bro, you're making us look bad.

0:32:02.610 --> 0:32:05.670
<v Speaker 1>I know it's a Manhunter and they're supposed to be

0:32:05.830 --> 0:32:09.820
<v Speaker 1>stronger or strong and have all these powers, but man,

0:32:09.860 --> 0:32:10.780
<v Speaker 1>he whooped your ass.

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 4>The only concession that I gave him.

0:32:13.140 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Nick was that he really believes that Noah will not

0:32:17.780 --> 0:32:21.740
<v Speaker 1>kill him. So therefore he had to kind of lean

0:32:21.780 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 1>into it a little bit to get some sort of

0:32:23.860 --> 0:32:27.460
<v Speaker 1>mercy in the show that, you know, I, I believe

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and trust that you're not what you're programmed to be.

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:33.300
<v Speaker 4>So that's why.

0:32:33.100 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I kind of gave it, gave it a bit of

0:32:34.740 --> 0:32:37.630
<v Speaker 1>a pass, but like, You ain't going to whoop my

0:32:37.710 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>ass and ask me to get up like we on

0:32:39.900 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>some Driving Miss Daisy shit.

0:32:41.260 --> 0:32:42.500
<v Speaker 4>It's just not going to happen, bro.

0:32:43.500 --> 0:32:47.660
<v Speaker 2>And then this goes back to my thought process with

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 2>the Manhunters, which is what they always said, Lou.

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.180
<v Speaker 3>They are very convincing people. They know how to get

0:32:54.220 --> 0:32:55.610
<v Speaker 3>you and all this stuff. And I was just like.

0:32:57.790 --> 0:33:00.410
<v Speaker 2>is that baked into this as well? Especially since he's

0:33:00.450 --> 0:33:01.710
<v Speaker 2>a kid, you know what I'm saying?

0:33:01.730 --> 0:33:02.850
<v Speaker 4>Like, I don't, I don't know. I don't know.

0:33:02.890 --> 0:33:03.530
<v Speaker 3>How did you take this?

0:33:03.550 --> 0:33:06.770
<v Speaker 5>It was a little bit of that there for me too,

0:33:06.830 --> 0:33:10.630
<v Speaker 5>but I was more so thinking that John, all right,

0:33:10.670 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 5>I know this dude was a man hunter.

0:33:12.380 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 4>Now I'm trying, I'm trying to work it.

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.980
<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to see if I can maybe influence him

0:33:19.020 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 5>a little bit. Cause I like from the conversations that

0:33:22.020 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 5>he's having with him in the car in a second.

0:33:23.780 --> 0:33:27.070
<v Speaker 5>And then how John's talking to his mom, like, Once

0:33:27.110 --> 0:33:30.530
<v Speaker 5>he understands the dude is the manhunter, John's still thinking,

0:33:30.590 --> 0:33:31.870
<v Speaker 5>I mean, well, I ain't got to kill him.

0:33:31.890 --> 0:33:32.550
<v Speaker 3>I can control.

0:33:32.570 --> 0:33:33.310
<v Speaker 4>This is a kid.

0:33:34.250 --> 0:33:37.590
<v Speaker 5>And I think when the kid whooped his ass, he's

0:33:37.650 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 5>approaching the whole situation like, let me work him like

0:33:40.630 --> 0:33:44.460
<v Speaker 5>this is like he literally columns in the CIA shit

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:45.460
<v Speaker 5>that we was watching with Lion.

0:33:45.540 --> 0:33:46.190
<v Speaker 4>It's like he's a.

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:49.540
<v Speaker 5>One of my people that I try to turn or

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:51.010
<v Speaker 5>flip or whatever it may be. Or like a CR

0:33:51.110 --> 0:33:52.770
<v Speaker 5>or something like that. Yeah, I feel like that he

0:33:52.790 --> 0:33:55.590
<v Speaker 5>looked at him like that because he now knows how

0:33:55.670 --> 0:33:59.190
<v Speaker 5>dangerous that he is. And he's working with taking the

0:33:59.250 --> 0:34:03.380
<v Speaker 5>position of Aladdin permanently in his head. So now he's like, okay,

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.420
<v Speaker 5>let me see. Can I have a Manhunter under my thumb?

0:34:06.890 --> 0:34:07.130
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:34:07.190 --> 0:34:08.090
<v Speaker 3>I think that's his approach.

0:34:08.290 --> 0:34:08.610
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:34:08.650 --> 0:34:11.149
<v Speaker 2>Like the whole approach of like you get more bees

0:34:11.190 --> 0:34:13.370
<v Speaker 2>with honey than vinegar type of thing.

0:34:13.530 --> 0:34:15.260
<v Speaker 3>I could fight him, but what would that be?

0:34:15.540 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 4>Then what?

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Then he'd tear the whole world up.

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 4>Exactly.

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:21.060
<v Speaker 3>But speaking of that, what did you think about the

0:34:21.100 --> 0:34:22.140
<v Speaker 3>conversation they had in the car?

0:34:23.460 --> 0:34:27.489
<v Speaker 5>That was great. About Grandma Zoe and all that. Grandma Zoe,

0:34:27.530 --> 0:34:29.509
<v Speaker 5>not so much. That shit didn't, like that shit.

0:34:30.110 --> 0:34:30.230
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:34:30.270 --> 0:34:30.430
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

0:34:31.250 --> 0:34:33.049
<v Speaker 5>When he got to the point where he was like,

0:34:33.070 --> 0:34:36.319
<v Speaker 5>there's this one part of me where I could go

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:39.260
<v Speaker 5>be this all-American and live this normal life or whatever

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 5>it may be, but then there's this other part. It

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.140
<v Speaker 5>shows you he's been thinking about it, too, when he

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:47.149
<v Speaker 5>talks about being able to go to Annapolis and then

0:34:47.630 --> 0:34:51.069
<v Speaker 5>running for Senate and then possibly being the president and

0:34:51.290 --> 0:34:54.910
<v Speaker 5>being the most powerful thing in the world. Not only

0:34:54.969 --> 0:34:57.450
<v Speaker 5>having that power as the president, but being a manhunter

0:34:57.550 --> 0:35:00.360
<v Speaker 5>and just hearing him talk through it and how it

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.739
<v Speaker 5>was in type like the actor did a great job, too,

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 5>to be a kid. I don't know how it is,

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 5>but you can hear that it was really enticing to him.

0:35:06.820 --> 0:35:10.219
<v Speaker 3>But you can hear he's always struggling with. I don't

0:35:10.260 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 3>know if I'm that type of.

0:35:11.060 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 4>Person, though.

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:14.290
<v Speaker 5>I thought it was really good. And I liked how

0:35:14.330 --> 0:35:15.750
<v Speaker 5>John just let him sit in it.

0:35:15.870 --> 0:35:16.330
<v Speaker 4>He wasn't.

0:35:16.900 --> 0:35:19.240
<v Speaker 5>But then he wasn't trying to give too much opinion.

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.540
<v Speaker 5>He was just letting him stand through it.

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:23.700
<v Speaker 4>He was terrified. He was terrified, kid.

0:35:23.739 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 2>You know that holding breath thing? Yeah. He was holding

0:35:28.700 --> 0:35:30.580
<v Speaker 2>his breath the whole time. Where this nigga going with

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 2>this shit, man? He got the ring, too.

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:37.300
<v Speaker 4>He got the ring. Hold on, bro. What you mean?

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:38.500
<v Speaker 4>End everything.

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:41.569
<v Speaker 5>He was talking that talk. But John just let him

0:35:41.590 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 5>work through it. I thought this really worked for me.

0:35:45.450 --> 0:35:48.610
<v Speaker 4>It was scary, Lou. And not because he's a manhunter,

0:35:48.989 --> 0:35:51.650
<v Speaker 4>but because these white motherfuckers be doing that shit for real.

0:35:51.690 --> 0:35:54.990
<v Speaker 2>He's a white manhunter.

0:35:55.050 --> 0:35:56.589
<v Speaker 3>It sounded real, kid.

0:35:56.610 --> 0:36:00.529
<v Speaker 1>That shit sounded real.

0:36:00.590 --> 0:36:01.050
<v Speaker 4>I'm white.

0:36:01.090 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>I could just go do all this shit, go here,

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 1>work my way to president, and then I got the

0:36:05.700 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 1>button right there. I was like, golly. And yeah, a

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:13.720
<v Speaker 1>kid like him from football, Nebraska, easy.

0:36:14.020 --> 0:36:20.210
<v Speaker 4>Easy path. Easy path. Easy. Yes, he would have been president. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:36:20.270 --> 0:36:22.930
<v Speaker 4>And he got the Manhunter, like, you know, the little

0:36:22.989 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 4>persuasion shit. Yeah. He gonna get all them motherfuckers.

0:36:27.700 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Ken, it did remind me of, like, is this what

0:36:30.420 --> 0:36:31.970
<v Speaker 3>white boys think about when they grow up?

0:36:32.020 --> 0:36:35.379
<v Speaker 4>I could either take over the world.

0:36:34.380 --> 0:36:36.609
<v Speaker 3>And be the evil white man, or I could just

0:36:36.630 --> 0:36:37.629
<v Speaker 3>be a nice white man.

0:36:37.650 --> 0:36:39.330
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I could be that a lot. But he was.

0:36:41.310 --> 0:36:43.550
<v Speaker 2>What I also was thinking about, this is that conversation

0:36:43.570 --> 0:36:46.170
<v Speaker 2>I always bring up, Ken, anytime I get a chance,

0:36:47.110 --> 0:36:51.940
<v Speaker 2>about the hardships of battling between being just a good

0:36:51.980 --> 0:36:55.700
<v Speaker 2>man versus a great man. Where he literally laid out

0:36:55.800 --> 0:37:00.120
<v Speaker 2>being a good man is going to college, finding my

0:37:00.219 --> 0:37:04.910
<v Speaker 2>college sweetheart, getting married, having kids, 401k, all that shit.

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Being a great man is sacrificing all that. Like no family,

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:11.500
<v Speaker 2>all that shit. Focus on the mission at hand as

0:37:11.540 --> 0:37:18.060
<v Speaker 2>far as being this unstoppable force in a society that

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I know how to manipulate. I know how to control.

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:27.330
<v Speaker 2>I know how to position myself to just conquer. Like

0:37:27.750 --> 0:37:29.529
<v Speaker 2>he was like, and he was the thing that really

0:37:29.590 --> 0:37:32.839
<v Speaker 2>messed me up was when he was like, if you

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.180
<v Speaker 2>had a, if you had spent a day in my head,

0:37:35.219 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 2>you would, you wouldn't stop screaming.

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 4>Like, it's like, bro, like he's really dealing with this shit.

0:37:39.900 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 2>And I think John in this moment, yes, he's terrified,

0:37:42.420 --> 0:37:44.660
<v Speaker 2>but he's also calculating like, do I really need.

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:46.779
<v Speaker 4>To take this motherfucker out? Like, you know what I'm saying?

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Like, like the shit he's saying is like, it's like one,

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:52.720
<v Speaker 2>but it's also like very much of a teenager's mindset.

0:37:52.739 --> 0:37:54.649
<v Speaker 2>Like the, the things that they battle and the thing they're,

0:37:54.890 --> 0:38:00.650
<v Speaker 2>they're dealing with grown adult issues and feelings.

0:38:00.010 --> 0:38:02.370
<v Speaker 3>And, But they're also handing them like children.

0:38:02.410 --> 0:38:04.529
<v Speaker 2>It's like they're in that in-between where it's like you

0:38:04.570 --> 0:38:07.549
<v Speaker 2>don't really know how they're going to flip. But like

0:38:07.590 --> 0:38:10.750
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned, Lil Jon gave him nothing but air to

0:38:10.790 --> 0:38:11.590
<v Speaker 2>just like.

0:38:11.770 --> 0:38:14.700
<v Speaker 3>Sit in it. And sometimes you need that as a person.

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Because at that point, Noah's known him his whole life

0:38:18.660 --> 0:38:20.620
<v Speaker 2>because he knew him from when he was a kid.

0:38:20.980 --> 0:38:22.779
<v Speaker 2>So he's like, bro, this is the only person that

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.260
<v Speaker 2>understands me that can actually give me space to breathe

0:38:25.660 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 2>and space to talk. And when I actually say these

0:38:28.020 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 2>things out loud, It registers differently.

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:32.800
<v Speaker 4>In your mind.

0:38:32.860 --> 0:38:34.379
<v Speaker 3>You know, like, now you're saying that loud.

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.700
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it's not terrible, but it's more so

0:38:37.340 --> 0:38:39.720
<v Speaker 2>if you're asking yourself these questions, then you're not crazy.

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.190
<v Speaker 2>A crazy person wouldn't ask these questions. A crazy person

0:38:42.210 --> 0:38:46.650
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't contradict themselves so much. A crazy person would just

0:38:46.690 --> 0:38:49.069
<v Speaker 2>kind of just, he would just go. Just like his

0:38:49.110 --> 0:38:50.730
<v Speaker 2>grandma was. His grandma was going to burn the whole

0:38:50.750 --> 0:38:51.109
<v Speaker 2>shit down.

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.550
<v Speaker 4>And he finally got the opportunity. My bad. No, go ahead, bro.

0:38:56.670 --> 0:38:59.850
<v Speaker 5>And he finally got the opportunity, like you said, to

0:39:00.010 --> 0:39:02.790
<v Speaker 5>say it. And that's why John was so brilliant in

0:39:02.830 --> 0:39:06.390
<v Speaker 5>this moment by not bartering back and forth with him,

0:39:07.090 --> 0:39:10.210
<v Speaker 5>asking him questions and information, just letting him walk to

0:39:10.230 --> 0:39:13.810
<v Speaker 5>the finish line with it. That was the great part

0:39:13.830 --> 0:39:15.030
<v Speaker 5>about this scene, his acting.

0:39:16.660 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought the part that he mentioned, I did,

0:39:19.500 --> 0:39:21.839
<v Speaker 1>I won't say I found what he was saying about

0:39:21.860 --> 0:39:24.420
<v Speaker 1>the grandmother interesting. I was trying to figure out if

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:28.650
<v Speaker 1>the motherfucker was lying. Because he said that, oh yeah,

0:39:28.670 --> 0:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>she wanted me to kill her. because she couldn't stop.

0:39:31.580 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, when did she ever say that? I

0:39:34.500 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 1>don't remember that conversation at all. So it seemed like

0:39:38.420 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 1>she just was evil.

0:39:40.020 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 4>He told Hal that, too.

0:39:42.580 --> 0:39:43.240
<v Speaker 3>You talking about John?

0:39:43.260 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 4>Didn't John say that? Yeah.

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what he told Noah. Because Noah was like,

0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:51.569
<v Speaker 1>you killed my grandmother. And I don't I don't want that.

0:39:51.610 --> 0:39:53.910
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, yeah, yeah. It was like, no,

0:39:53.950 --> 0:39:57.310
<v Speaker 1>she wanted me to kill her. And, you know, because

0:39:57.350 --> 0:39:59.569
<v Speaker 1>she realized that she couldn't stop. So that's what she

0:39:59.610 --> 0:40:02.770
<v Speaker 1>was asking me to do. It also made like him

0:40:02.810 --> 0:40:05.589
<v Speaker 1>being a manhunter made that dinner scene where he was

0:40:05.630 --> 0:40:07.450
<v Speaker 1>at the house and the relationship that they had.

0:40:07.469 --> 0:40:09.870
<v Speaker 4>And they were, you know, ha ha and Kiki ended up.

0:40:10.330 --> 0:40:12.969
<v Speaker 1>It made that scene make more sense because of the

0:40:13.050 --> 0:40:15.330
<v Speaker 1>power of persuasion that they had. And then, of course,

0:40:15.370 --> 0:40:17.410
<v Speaker 1>him coming to the door and was like, hey, you know,

0:40:17.469 --> 0:40:19.509
<v Speaker 1>by the way, this happened when he went to his house.

0:40:20.050 --> 0:40:22.270
<v Speaker 4>But, yeah, I don't remember that shit about the grandmother, though.

0:40:23.110 --> 0:40:26.530
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to sound like I'm saying this because, obviously,

0:40:26.550 --> 0:40:27.170
<v Speaker 3>we know everything.

0:40:27.230 --> 0:40:30.390
<v Speaker 2>But during that dinner scene, I did suspect, like, why

0:40:30.410 --> 0:40:33.250
<v Speaker 2>is Noah, like, a manhunter is always thinking about control

0:40:33.270 --> 0:40:35.050
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. So when he was talking about politics,

0:40:35.130 --> 0:40:37.530
<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's very interesting. Most kids, most teenagers

0:40:38.050 --> 0:40:40.990
<v Speaker 2>don't think about politics like that unless they're sons, daughters,

0:40:41.010 --> 0:40:42.890
<v Speaker 2>or whatever of a politician.

0:40:43.270 --> 0:40:44.170
<v Speaker 3>So I was just kind of like that.

0:40:44.190 --> 0:40:44.950
<v Speaker 4>The new generation do though.

0:40:45.370 --> 0:40:47.210
<v Speaker 5>The new generation, I think that speaks to what age

0:40:47.250 --> 0:40:49.149
<v Speaker 5>he is and then writing it really well.

0:40:49.489 --> 0:40:51.390
<v Speaker 2>I let it go because I'm like, maybe this kid,

0:40:51.410 --> 0:40:53.290
<v Speaker 2>you know, somebody's got to think about it as a kid.

0:40:53.610 --> 0:40:55.319
<v Speaker 4>But it did make me think like, oh, that's kind

0:40:55.340 --> 0:40:55.930
<v Speaker 4>of Manhunter-ish.

0:40:56.070 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>But nonetheless, Ken, like I felt like, again, we didn't

0:40:59.940 --> 0:41:01.899
<v Speaker 2>get a lot of, like I've always talked about like

0:41:02.260 --> 0:41:05.020
<v Speaker 2>how the relationship between John and Zoe just felt like

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.740
<v Speaker 2>we were just meant to just submit to it. Maybe

0:41:07.860 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 2>in the in-between, just like we didn't see the in-between

0:41:09.900 --> 0:41:12.549
<v Speaker 2>between Noah and Sinestro and all this other shit. Maybe

0:41:12.570 --> 0:41:15.410
<v Speaker 2>they did have a lot of conversations where she expressed

0:41:15.969 --> 0:41:17.770
<v Speaker 2>how she.

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:18.410
<v Speaker 3>Was kind of tired.

0:41:18.450 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 2>And I think when you go back to that last

0:41:20.219 --> 0:41:22.819
<v Speaker 2>time that we were together in that motel, she kind

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 2>of mentioned like, once I tell you what the real is,

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 2>all this shit is over with. It's kind of like,

0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 2>after a while, you can't run forever. Even though she could,

0:41:31.660 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe essentially live forever, but... it does

0:41:34.620 --> 0:41:37.020
<v Speaker 2>get tiresome having to deal with a new life. Shit,

0:41:37.140 --> 0:41:40.700
<v Speaker 2>I've been moving three times. I think I've realized that

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I lived in like four states in the last 10 years.

0:41:43.219 --> 0:41:45.500
<v Speaker 3>So it's just like, after a while, it does get

0:41:45.540 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 3>tiresome to.

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:47.540
<v Speaker 2>Be like, bro, I just want to sit my ass

0:41:47.660 --> 0:41:50.540
<v Speaker 2>down and settle and not have to deal with that

0:41:50.580 --> 0:41:54.720
<v Speaker 2>shit no more. And then you start making, you're giving

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:57.890
<v Speaker 2>up certain things that you normally would have taken up

0:41:58.030 --> 0:41:59.370
<v Speaker 2>when you were younger and all that stuff.

0:41:59.390 --> 0:42:04.010
<v Speaker 3>So I feel like John wasn't lying in that moment.

0:42:04.030 --> 0:42:06.989
<v Speaker 3>He was like, bro, she could have moved out the way.

0:42:07.070 --> 0:42:10.460
<v Speaker 2>She saw the bullet coming and she was just like, yeah,

0:42:10.500 --> 0:42:12.500
<v Speaker 2>if I die now, then maybe no one else will

0:42:12.660 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 2>come back here and this little boy can.

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:15.110
<v Speaker 3>Live his life.

0:42:15.219 --> 0:42:17.589
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying? You good.

0:42:19.550 --> 0:42:21.549
<v Speaker 2>Well, we then see John and Noah pull up to

0:42:21.570 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 2>the game, and then we see Noah make an honest

0:42:25.500 --> 0:42:28.259
<v Speaker 2>confession in the car. This is where John gets him

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:31.100
<v Speaker 2>to say or gets him to admit that he killed Hal. Now,

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 2>at first, it made sense, Lou, but I don't know.

0:42:33.980 --> 0:42:37.250
<v Speaker 4>I knew immediately when he said that. What? He didn't know? Yeah,

0:42:37.770 --> 0:42:38.890
<v Speaker 4>the girl did it. His mama did it.

0:42:39.570 --> 0:42:40.009
<v Speaker 3>How do you know?

0:42:41.290 --> 0:42:45.330
<v Speaker 5>Because, one, I didn't see him as being a sharp

0:42:45.390 --> 0:42:48.820
<v Speaker 5>shot or anything like that. We already had expected the moms.

0:42:49.460 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 5>So I'm thinking, when would Noah have been able to

0:42:52.100 --> 0:42:54.799
<v Speaker 5>kill John if John knew that he was a man?

0:42:54.940 --> 0:42:57.100
<v Speaker 5>Excuse me, not John Howe. If Howe knew that he

0:42:57.140 --> 0:43:00.270
<v Speaker 5>was a man, huh? When would he have been able

0:43:00.330 --> 0:43:02.150
<v Speaker 5>to do that? When would he have been able to

0:43:02.170 --> 0:43:05.350
<v Speaker 5>sneak up on him? It didn't make sense to me.

0:43:05.410 --> 0:43:09.650
<v Speaker 5>So now, when they're talking, and I'm some Nostradamus or something,

0:43:09.690 --> 0:43:11.589
<v Speaker 5>so now when they're talking, it's like, okay, so now

0:43:11.650 --> 0:43:14.850
<v Speaker 5>I know his mom did it, which means.

0:43:14.450 --> 0:43:17.430
<v Speaker 3>That she's been hiding... did he been a man hunter.

0:43:17.489 --> 0:43:20.290
<v Speaker 5>Which means that's why I came to the conclusion about

0:43:20.590 --> 0:43:23.270
<v Speaker 5>her using Hal. I thought she just was doing that

0:43:23.310 --> 0:43:24.930
<v Speaker 5>this whole time to protect her son.

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 3>So that's where that jumped out for me when he

0:43:28.219 --> 0:43:31.840
<v Speaker 3>said the confession.

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:33.820
<v Speaker 1>They still had me spinning.

0:43:34.739 --> 0:43:35.140
<v Speaker 4>Really?

0:43:36.340 --> 0:43:39.030
<v Speaker 1>It was really well done in terms of how they

0:43:39.070 --> 0:43:39.610
<v Speaker 1>did this.

0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:43.989
<v Speaker 4>It was. I got to give them props.

0:43:44.110 --> 0:43:46.830
<v Speaker 1>There was a question lingering And I think they even

0:43:46.850 --> 0:43:49.379
<v Speaker 1>said it in the show, why save him and then

0:43:49.410 --> 0:43:52.500
<v Speaker 1>turn around and kill him? But I thought that they

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 1>were going to show the reason why he had to

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:55.739
<v Speaker 1>kill him.

0:43:56.080 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes. And that's why I still was like, he

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:01.900
<v Speaker 4>did it.

0:44:03.489 --> 0:44:06.330
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought it was more of like he was

0:44:06.370 --> 0:44:09.110
<v Speaker 2>going to do something to get his mom up out

0:44:09.150 --> 0:44:11.569
<v Speaker 2>of there. You know, something where he threatened to take

0:44:11.610 --> 0:44:14.210
<v Speaker 2>him away from what he knows and what he kind

0:44:14.230 --> 0:44:14.770
<v Speaker 2>of grew up in.

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 3>Um and that's why.

0:44:16.580 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 5>They all went to for me it all went to

0:44:19.020 --> 0:44:21.530
<v Speaker 5>because we kept saying like something off with the mom

0:44:21.550 --> 0:44:24.730
<v Speaker 5>she acting weird and then hal first thing that he

0:44:24.810 --> 0:44:27.710
<v Speaker 5>said the hologram how he was like she shot me

0:44:28.450 --> 0:44:31.049
<v Speaker 5>when he started talking to him so it was like

0:44:31.090 --> 0:44:34.350
<v Speaker 5>i guess like a misdirection though see see it pointed

0:44:34.370 --> 0:44:36.390
<v Speaker 5>me back to it as soon as the son because

0:44:36.410 --> 0:44:39.180
<v Speaker 5>i just i couldn't see the son just shooting him

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:41.620
<v Speaker 5>it they hadn't showed none of that they made a

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:45.020
<v Speaker 5>man like so when He is, but when he said

0:44:45.060 --> 0:44:46.940
<v Speaker 5>it and I listened to him think, that's why I

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:49.300
<v Speaker 5>think the scene was so good, too, because I'm listening

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 5>to him think through all the other stuff. When he's saying,

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 5>I'm this person and I'm this person, and then they

0:44:55.800 --> 0:45:00.459
<v Speaker 5>show John's face, and John's not really buying it either.

0:45:00.620 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 5>So that's what pointed me to, like, as soon as

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 5>he was on, like, I did it, I was like,

0:45:04.900 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 5>his mama did it.

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:07.919
<v Speaker 1>You didn't see the way he was kicking that man

0:45:07.980 --> 0:45:12.620
<v Speaker 1>like we were back in the goddamn 40s and 30s.

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Lou, he was in a high school football jersey kicking

0:45:16.890 --> 0:45:17.610
<v Speaker 2>a black man.

0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:23.270
<v Speaker 4>Did that not bring up something? He ain't shooting nobody, though.

0:45:23.310 --> 0:45:27.750
<v Speaker 4>Man hunter, slave hunter, Lou.

0:45:27.770 --> 0:45:30.270
<v Speaker 3>Like I told you earlier, white man hunter.

0:45:30.350 --> 0:45:33.630
<v Speaker 4>He ain't shooting nobody.

0:45:33.670 --> 0:45:35.509
<v Speaker 3>I feel like we got some running around now.

0:45:39.989 --> 0:45:47.580
<v Speaker 2>Hey kid if we had a gun up to our

0:45:47.620 --> 0:45:50.859
<v Speaker 2>head that downloaded all the memories of a white man

0:45:50.980 --> 0:45:54.780
<v Speaker 2>understand in the past no but lou i was thinking

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 2>like once you once noah said he was a man

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:58.660
<v Speaker 2>and once he found out everything's on the table bro

0:45:58.860 --> 0:46:01.910
<v Speaker 2>like i don't think you can't We can rationalize some

0:46:01.930 --> 0:46:03.950
<v Speaker 2>of these based off just how it's presented to us

0:46:03.989 --> 0:46:06.330
<v Speaker 2>because he's a kid. But at the same time, bro,

0:46:06.810 --> 0:46:09.350
<v Speaker 2>the shit, I mean, he did the same thing his

0:46:09.390 --> 0:46:10.410
<v Speaker 2>grandmama did to John.

0:46:10.790 --> 0:46:14.370
<v Speaker 4>Burnt up a nigga and brought him back. Yeah, that's true.

0:46:14.530 --> 0:46:15.549
<v Speaker 4>It's the exact same thing.

0:46:15.670 --> 0:46:18.130
<v Speaker 5>And he did that to use it as, now I

0:46:18.150 --> 0:46:19.549
<v Speaker 5>got leverage over you just like she did.

0:46:19.610 --> 0:46:26.509
<v Speaker 4>Exactly, exactly. John felt hurt by this shit. Yeah, she

0:46:26.530 --> 0:46:28.490
<v Speaker 4>burnt me up just so she could use me later.

0:46:29.050 --> 0:46:31.980
<v Speaker 4>It's funny. She watched me burn.

0:46:32.700 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 2>You said that? That filthy motherfucker could have blew me

0:46:38.100 --> 0:46:46.620
<v Speaker 2>out earlier. You know what I'm saying? But I did

0:46:46.700 --> 0:46:50.660
<v Speaker 2>find it. This is where I knew that, all right,

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:54.439
<v Speaker 2>maybe Noah didn't kill Hal. Because he was like, Noah

0:46:54.460 --> 0:46:57.980
<v Speaker 2>took the ring off, put it on the top of

0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:01.569
<v Speaker 2>the steering wheel, like on the dash. And then he

0:47:01.590 --> 0:47:05.230
<v Speaker 2>was like, all right, bro. Honestly, let me just finish

0:47:05.250 --> 0:47:06.810
<v Speaker 2>this game and you can take me out. Just don't

0:47:06.830 --> 0:47:13.380
<v Speaker 2>let me see it coming. Because to me, he's at peace.

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:17.520
<v Speaker 2>He was like, I'm either going to be a good

0:47:17.540 --> 0:47:19.310
<v Speaker 2>guy or be a villain. I'm going to let you

0:47:19.330 --> 0:47:21.630
<v Speaker 2>to decide on what path I take. You know what

0:47:21.650 --> 0:47:23.430
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying? And I liked how he said, don't let

0:47:23.450 --> 0:47:25.210
<v Speaker 2>me see it coming. Cause he's like, if I see

0:47:25.230 --> 0:47:28.390
<v Speaker 2>you out there, I know who I think it is.

0:47:28.670 --> 0:47:33.580
<v Speaker 2>Cause if I see you out there, it's a wrap,

0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 2>but I'm fine with like getting taken out. And Ken,

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking on the car ride there, I was like,

0:47:39.540 --> 0:47:41.140
<v Speaker 2>was he about to pull a howl and just jump

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.620
<v Speaker 2>out and just try to crash that bitch? That's what

0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking the whole time. But, um, Yeah, that

0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:50.279
<v Speaker 2>was just, that just hit different, Lou. I don't know

0:47:50.300 --> 0:47:51.140
<v Speaker 2>if that hit different with you.

0:47:51.980 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 4>What he said, when you see me kill me?

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:53.860
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 5>I fucked with it. And I would have killed you.

0:47:57.219 --> 0:47:59.300
<v Speaker 5>You wouldn't have had to tell me twice.

0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:03.259
<v Speaker 4>I was like, bad big dog. I would have went

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:05.779
<v Speaker 4>to that little water tower or somewhere. I ain't got

0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:13.489
<v Speaker 4>no little sniper. And as soon as the game was over. Jay,

0:48:13.790 --> 0:48:15.630
<v Speaker 4>as soon as he got an answer out of a league,

0:48:16.210 --> 0:48:16.970
<v Speaker 4>ended him.

0:48:17.410 --> 0:48:21.330
<v Speaker 5>Ended him. Would have thought twice about it, Ken. Went

0:48:21.350 --> 0:48:24.589
<v Speaker 5>back to running my company.

0:48:24.770 --> 0:48:27.330
<v Speaker 3>I forgot a little give or take about being in Atlanta.

0:48:27.370 --> 0:48:31.750
<v Speaker 4>Get out of here. Did it just like his grandmother, bro.

0:48:31.770 --> 0:48:33.839
<v Speaker 4>That's fucked up. I would have did the same thing.

0:48:38.070 --> 0:48:39.750
<v Speaker 1>No that was that was dope and don't let me

0:48:40.170 --> 0:48:42.330
<v Speaker 1>see it coming out because i was at this point

0:48:42.350 --> 0:48:43.950
<v Speaker 1>i'm like man what the fuck is how hell is

0:48:43.969 --> 0:48:47.740
<v Speaker 1>gonna do because everything was confirmed he really i mean

0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:50.660
<v Speaker 1>john he really believes that noah won't kill him but

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:53.940
<v Speaker 1>noah just sat and told him that yeah at any

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:55.879
<v Speaker 1>given day i could probably turn around and kill you

0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and everybody else so he really put him in a

0:48:58.580 --> 0:49:01.390
<v Speaker 1>in a in a in a bond um so i

0:49:01.489 --> 0:49:03.850
<v Speaker 1>i really was like what the fuck is this motherfucker gonna.

0:49:03.630 --> 0:49:07.100
<v Speaker 5>Do It's a real interesting dilemma to present, though. That

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.140
<v Speaker 5>was a great thing that they did with this show.

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:11.220
<v Speaker 5>Because you sit with that, then you got.

0:49:12.050 --> 0:49:12.390
<v Speaker 4>Go ahead.

0:49:13.390 --> 0:49:15.130
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm just saying that we know John is a

0:49:15.150 --> 0:49:16.609
<v Speaker 1>fucking killer. That's the thing.

0:49:16.670 --> 0:49:20.810
<v Speaker 4>He's military he's trained to kill yeah he'll snipe.

0:49:20.610 --> 0:49:22.089
<v Speaker 5>Me i can go ahead and take care of this

0:49:22.150 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 5>but it was both of them battling with who they

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:26.580
<v Speaker 5>wanted to be in the sense of do i want

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:29.219
<v Speaker 5>to believe him or do i just want to be

0:49:29.260 --> 0:49:32.129
<v Speaker 5>like i was trained by my parents and do this

0:49:32.230 --> 0:49:33.950
<v Speaker 5>lantern thing and just take him out.

0:49:34.050 --> 0:49:36.009
<v Speaker 3>I like how it was a battle for both of them.

0:49:36.260 --> 0:49:37.020
<v Speaker 4>That was great, man.

0:49:37.040 --> 0:49:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Because they both were talking about programming. I think he

0:49:39.060 --> 0:49:41.040
<v Speaker 2>mentioned it. Yeah, they both were talking about programming. He said,

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:44.000
<v Speaker 2>it took me a while to understand what my programming was.

0:49:44.060 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 2>But he mentioned, like, but for me to ask myself

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:47.940
<v Speaker 2>these questions means I have a choice.

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:50.860
<v Speaker 3>Because otherwise, you know, otherwise I would just submit.

0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:52.980
<v Speaker 4>To the program. That shit was so well done.

0:49:53.540 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Soon after that, we see John obviously let Noah play

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:01.360
<v Speaker 2>his game and then he pulls up on the sidelines.

0:50:01.910 --> 0:50:04.670
<v Speaker 2>to talk to his mom, Sheriff Carrie, and they have

0:50:04.710 --> 0:50:05.780
<v Speaker 2>an interesting conversation.

0:50:06.450 --> 0:50:08.860
<v Speaker 4>Ken, I want to point this out. Ken, I want

0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:13.060
<v Speaker 4>to point this to you. Noah had number 18, too. Yeah,

0:50:13.180 --> 0:50:14.580
<v Speaker 4>I said, Noah looking like Peyton.

0:50:15.580 --> 0:50:18.350
<v Speaker 2>Ken, I got to throw this to you because you

0:50:18.390 --> 0:50:20.270
<v Speaker 2>said this earlier, and I thought it was hilarious then.

0:50:20.290 --> 0:50:26.020
<v Speaker 3>And I think it's even more hilarious now because... I

0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:27.020
<v Speaker 3>think all of us have.

0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Grown up around a lot of women and we've seen

0:50:30.700 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 2>them do a lot of great things and I don't

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:34.480
<v Speaker 2>put any limitations on them.

0:50:34.930 --> 0:50:35.930
<v Speaker 3>And that's including being.

0:50:35.780 --> 0:50:40.750
<v Speaker 4>A piece of shit. You called it out early.

0:50:40.870 --> 0:50:45.350
<v Speaker 2>Once I found out that she killed Hal, I was like, alright, bro.

0:50:45.489 --> 0:50:46.650
<v Speaker 3>I'm cool on this motherfucker.

0:50:48.170 --> 0:50:50.430
<v Speaker 4>We have been saying it the whole year.

0:50:51.450 --> 0:50:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Y'all have been saying it, but That thought, that phrase

0:50:57.860 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 1>did run through my head, Nick, when she sat there

0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:01.420
<v Speaker 1>and tried to get.

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:02.340
<v Speaker 4>Those white woman tears.

0:51:03.260 --> 0:51:06.950
<v Speaker 1>Because John walked that shit down, bro. He told a

0:51:07.110 --> 0:51:10.489
<v Speaker 1>great story. And she was like, yeah, because I think

0:51:10.969 --> 0:51:13.129
<v Speaker 1>you'll do the same shit that my mama did. You've

0:51:13.150 --> 0:51:15.790
<v Speaker 1>been holding your fucking breath. And she was like, God

0:51:15.850 --> 0:51:18.069
<v Speaker 1>damn it, this motherfucker got me. And if she went

0:51:18.090 --> 0:51:20.169
<v Speaker 1>to the football game, she probably would try to kill him, too,

0:51:20.489 --> 0:51:22.510
<v Speaker 1>just to keep facts.

0:51:22.870 --> 0:51:24.890
<v Speaker 2>But it didn't make sense for his question because he

0:51:24.910 --> 0:51:28.430
<v Speaker 2>was like, why ask me to come here if you

0:51:28.530 --> 0:51:29.290
<v Speaker 2>knew I was going.

0:51:29.170 --> 0:51:32.990
<v Speaker 4>To find out? Maybe it was guilt.

0:51:33.050 --> 0:51:35.089
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she wanted to be found out.

0:51:36.570 --> 0:51:38.469
<v Speaker 5>She said, I wanted to know if he was a

0:51:38.489 --> 0:51:41.460
<v Speaker 5>good or bad guy. And I felt like he was

0:51:41.500 --> 0:51:43.660
<v Speaker 5>the only one. Yeah, she said, and I felt like

0:51:43.700 --> 0:51:44.940
<v Speaker 5>he was the only one that was going to keep

0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:45.239
<v Speaker 5>it real.

0:51:46.380 --> 0:51:47.940
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's kind of bullshit, though.

0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:50.480
<v Speaker 5>Well, it's not, because it makes sense as to why

0:51:50.500 --> 0:51:53.879
<v Speaker 5>she shot Hal, because now Hal was unreasonable. He didn't

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:55.939
<v Speaker 5>even take into consideration, and that's why the car scene

0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:58.700
<v Speaker 5>was so good. Hal didn't even take into consideration. As

0:51:58.739 --> 0:52:00.319
<v Speaker 5>soon as he found out, he was like, hey, look,

0:52:00.340 --> 0:52:03.480
<v Speaker 5>we got to go to Guadalajara. Like, we'll figure it out.

0:52:03.580 --> 0:52:05.500
<v Speaker 4>Like, she was like, wait, what the fuck are you

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:06.140
<v Speaker 4>talking about?

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:11.879
<v Speaker 3>And, like, she was like, hey, she goes, relax.

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:13.040
<v Speaker 4>Calm down.

0:52:15.380 --> 0:52:19.500
<v Speaker 5>And and the fact that I guess they did a

0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:22.060
<v Speaker 5>really good job with this. The fact that she really

0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:24.719
<v Speaker 5>walked him into it and he walked her into it.

0:52:25.060 --> 0:52:28.610
<v Speaker 5>And then her saying like now everybody else would have

0:52:28.630 --> 0:52:30.870
<v Speaker 5>freaked out if I told them. You probably the only

0:52:30.890 --> 0:52:33.270
<v Speaker 5>person that could have solved this case. And I guess

0:52:33.290 --> 0:52:35.210
<v Speaker 5>that goes into what the Green Lanterns do.

0:52:35.530 --> 0:52:39.049
<v Speaker 4>She's right, though. She would. You know, it's like she

0:52:39.090 --> 0:52:41.930
<v Speaker 4>wanted to be found out, though. I got you.

0:52:41.969 --> 0:52:44.990
<v Speaker 1>First of all, a Manhunter had been in that city,

0:52:45.090 --> 0:52:48.950
<v Speaker 1>and somehow she got this... She's like the Virgin Carrie

0:52:49.430 --> 0:52:53.740
<v Speaker 1>in the town, and got pregnant without having slept with anybody.

0:52:53.760 --> 0:53:00.239
<v Speaker 4>Manhunter Jesus. Manhunter Jesus. So she got this baby. This

0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:03.040
<v Speaker 4>Manhunter has terrorized the city and fucked up the whole city.

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:05.340
<v Speaker 4>John got blamed. Well, Hal got blamed for it.

0:53:05.780 --> 0:53:09.120
<v Speaker 1>She bring Hal ass back to the goddamn city and

0:53:09.180 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 1>have an affair with him and sleep with him. And

0:53:11.660 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 1>he's walking around trying to do shit and knowing the

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:18.060
<v Speaker 1>city hate him. And she's doing all of this while

0:53:18.100 --> 0:53:21.860
<v Speaker 1>she's walking around with the motherfucker, with the baby that's

0:53:22.120 --> 0:53:25.020
<v Speaker 1>built of the same DNA of the motherfucker that Hal

0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 1>came to kill.

0:53:26.540 --> 0:53:29.100
<v Speaker 4>What kind of fucking shit is that? Like, she ain't

0:53:29.140 --> 0:53:30.780
<v Speaker 4>worth a damn, bro.

0:53:31.260 --> 0:53:33.379
<v Speaker 1>The only thing I really liked about that conversation, Nick,

0:53:33.420 --> 0:53:38.700
<v Speaker 1>was that it really drew a nice parallel, an additional

0:53:38.739 --> 0:53:46.239
<v Speaker 1>parallel between the Guardians themselves and Carrie as a Guardian too.

0:53:47.060 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, in addition to the parents being Guardians. So

0:53:50.140 --> 0:53:52.719
<v Speaker 1>it kind of had this whole Guardian theme and how

0:53:52.780 --> 0:53:58.339
<v Speaker 1>they make decisions for other people and the people that's

0:53:58.420 --> 0:54:00.359
<v Speaker 1>outside of them. So I really like how they did

0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that with the whole conversation and brought that around with

0:54:02.980 --> 0:54:05.800
<v Speaker 1>the programming as well, which I think also connects to

0:54:06.260 --> 0:54:07.820
<v Speaker 1>the shit that they've been saying about the Guardians.

0:54:07.860 --> 0:54:09.440
<v Speaker 4>But Carrie ain't worth a fucking damn, bro.

0:54:11.130 --> 0:54:15.350
<v Speaker 5>She was playing chess. She was playing chess. Everybody else

0:54:15.390 --> 0:54:19.370
<v Speaker 5>was playing checkers. She was a step in front of

0:54:19.390 --> 0:54:22.509
<v Speaker 5>Hal the whole time. Clearly, because she shot him, but

0:54:22.530 --> 0:54:23.230
<v Speaker 5>I'm just saying.

0:54:24.550 --> 0:54:28.529
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying from this standpoint, if I'm going to lean

0:54:28.550 --> 0:54:31.549
<v Speaker 2>to what Lou is saying, her heart was broken after

0:54:31.570 --> 0:54:34.049
<v Speaker 2>she told Hal, or after the conversation she was having

0:54:34.090 --> 0:54:36.790
<v Speaker 2>with Hal. Because she realized, I can't live my life

0:54:36.830 --> 0:54:39.830
<v Speaker 2>with you the way I want to. Because now, and

0:54:39.870 --> 0:54:44.710
<v Speaker 2>this is why... I'll say a friend of mine would

0:54:44.770 --> 0:54:48.270
<v Speaker 2>say like it's hard for him to date women with

0:54:48.330 --> 0:54:51.930
<v Speaker 2>children because they know at the end of the day

0:54:52.140 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 2>the kid is going to be number.

0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:56.680
<v Speaker 3>One you will never be number one You know what

0:54:56.700 --> 0:54:57.060
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying?

0:54:57.120 --> 0:54:59.890
<v Speaker 2>The kid will always, especially, especially if it's a son,

0:55:00.530 --> 0:55:02.810
<v Speaker 2>like that's her first, that's not her first love, but

0:55:02.830 --> 0:55:06.290
<v Speaker 2>that's her main love. Like no matter what's going to happen,

0:55:06.310 --> 0:55:08.969
<v Speaker 2>she's going to make sure that he good. And we

0:55:09.030 --> 0:55:11.250
<v Speaker 2>saw it and realized what mothers will kill for their kids.

0:55:11.290 --> 0:55:11.810
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying?

0:55:11.830 --> 0:55:14.630
<v Speaker 2>That's not out of question. And she literally saw that opportunity.

0:55:14.690 --> 0:55:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Now she a trigger happy mama. Cause, cause his last

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:19.660
<v Speaker 2>words was like, I'm trying to help you.

0:55:19.700 --> 0:55:20.140
<v Speaker 4>I love you.

0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:24.469
<v Speaker 2>But she was like, nah, nigga, once you saying all

0:55:24.489 --> 0:55:26.870
<v Speaker 2>this shit, you're willing to do. I can tell that

0:55:27.410 --> 0:55:29.730
<v Speaker 2>based off your mind, you're not going to let this

0:55:29.750 --> 0:55:31.310
<v Speaker 2>shit go. You ain't going to let us just be

0:55:31.330 --> 0:55:32.270
<v Speaker 2>a happy family.

0:55:34.770 --> 0:55:38.290
<v Speaker 1>It was a different Hal, though. And I think she,

0:55:38.830 --> 0:55:44.259
<v Speaker 1>in her mind, was remembering the old Hal. Because I

0:55:44.580 --> 0:55:46.400
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh shit, Hal's going to snap. Even though

0:55:46.420 --> 0:55:47.560
<v Speaker 1>he's not a gardener, he's going to be like, we

0:55:47.600 --> 0:55:50.060
<v Speaker 1>got to kill this motherfucker. When in fact, he was like,

0:55:50.080 --> 0:55:51.859
<v Speaker 1>we got to run away with this motherfucker. Because you

0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:56.200
<v Speaker 1>got a fucking nuclear bomb in this city every damn day.

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:57.680
<v Speaker 1>And we got to get him out of here because

0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:00.279
<v Speaker 1>if the people find out, they're going to flip the

0:56:00.300 --> 0:56:01.319
<v Speaker 1>fuck out and kill you.

0:56:01.620 --> 0:56:03.780
<v Speaker 4>Y'all are in danger and so am I.

0:56:04.230 --> 0:56:06.350
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm in danger already anyway just by being here.

0:56:08.070 --> 0:56:09.730
<v Speaker 4>But she didn't want to hear all that shit because

0:56:09.969 --> 0:56:14.780
<v Speaker 4>fear entered her. And she panicked and she turned around

0:56:15.219 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, baby, baby, baby, I love you.

0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:18.700
<v Speaker 4>And popped him right in the damn head. He was

0:56:18.780 --> 0:56:22.060
<v Speaker 4>out of there. And sat right down too.

0:56:22.380 --> 0:56:24.340
<v Speaker 3>So he was done.

0:56:24.820 --> 0:56:28.509
<v Speaker 4>Okay. I understand that he was saying, take Noah with them.

0:56:29.070 --> 0:56:32.029
<v Speaker 2>He was saying in the background, he was like, we

0:56:32.070 --> 0:56:32.870
<v Speaker 2>have to leave.

0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.259
<v Speaker 3>At first, I thought he was just talking about him

0:56:36.340 --> 0:56:36.780
<v Speaker 3>and her.

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:38.520
<v Speaker 2>But he was like, he was saying he was like

0:56:38.580 --> 0:56:40.500
<v Speaker 2>coming up with the scheme in real time. He was like,

0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:43.620
<v Speaker 2>I got a homeboy in Guadalajara. We can escape there

0:56:44.100 --> 0:56:45.920
<v Speaker 2>and then we can go off world from there. Like

0:56:45.940 --> 0:56:47.680
<v Speaker 2>he's like, we go to different planets and all that shit.

0:56:47.739 --> 0:56:49.299
<v Speaker 2>And she was just kind of like, nigga, I'm not

0:56:49.340 --> 0:56:51.940
<v Speaker 2>trying to do none of that. Like, what I have

0:56:52.020 --> 0:56:54.620
<v Speaker 2>is already here. I'm not trying to rebuild. You know

0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:56.359
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying? Once, you know, once, like, again, once

0:56:56.380 --> 0:56:58.920
<v Speaker 2>the nigga get, she already left Gotham, Lou. Once the

0:56:58.940 --> 0:57:00.580
<v Speaker 2>nigga got comfortable, she was like, for all the shit

0:57:00.620 --> 0:57:04.080
<v Speaker 2>that I went through to be here, I'm staying here.

0:57:04.100 --> 0:57:05.660
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean? And that's what made me think.

0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:06.860
<v Speaker 4>My thing is, if you left one place, you can

0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:11.310
<v Speaker 4>leave another place. You see, that was going right to

0:57:11.350 --> 0:57:12.410
<v Speaker 4>what I was saying, kid.

0:57:12.430 --> 0:57:15.629
<v Speaker 5>That's what made me think that she was playing him.

0:57:15.870 --> 0:57:19.990
<v Speaker 5>Because if it was about her, because Hal came there

0:57:20.090 --> 0:57:22.350
<v Speaker 5>to kill a Manhunter, am I correct?

0:57:22.970 --> 0:57:24.970
<v Speaker 2>He came there to capture a Manhunter. I think he

0:57:24.990 --> 0:57:25.910
<v Speaker 2>was going to end up killing a Manhunter.

0:57:25.930 --> 0:57:26.910
<v Speaker 4>He thought it was a Manhunter.

0:57:27.050 --> 0:57:28.510
<v Speaker 3>But from what we know, he was just going to

0:57:28.550 --> 0:57:29.960
<v Speaker 3>capture her and bring her back to the gardens.

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:31.100
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:35.200
<v Speaker 5>He's willing to let this Manhunter just go exist or

0:57:35.220 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 5>run away with them because he loves her, right? And

0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.700
<v Speaker 5>he's not a Lancer no more either, so he ain't... Oh,

0:57:40.740 --> 0:57:42.320
<v Speaker 5>he kicked him out of the job.

0:57:42.380 --> 0:57:44.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he don't own shit. Okay, got it, got it,

0:57:44.260 --> 0:57:44.520
<v Speaker 4>got it.

0:57:48.430 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 2>My only other follow-up to this was like, okay, John,

0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:54.860
<v Speaker 2>everything's on the board now.

0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:56.020
<v Speaker 4>You know everything.

0:57:57.080 --> 0:58:09.390
<v Speaker 2>You're letting an option of potential catastrophe, political or even physical,

0:58:10.410 --> 0:58:12.630
<v Speaker 2>just letting that be, I'm going to let you just

0:58:12.670 --> 0:58:13.010
<v Speaker 2>grow up.

0:58:13.550 --> 0:58:14.470
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to let this go.

0:58:15.110 --> 0:58:17.330
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that was something that he was I'm trying to

0:58:17.350 --> 0:58:19.490
<v Speaker 2>rationalize in his mind maybe because he sees a lot

0:58:19.510 --> 0:58:22.110
<v Speaker 2>of himself in Noah as far as like this kid

0:58:22.180 --> 0:58:24.540
<v Speaker 2>was meant to be destined to be something before he

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:25.100
<v Speaker 2>even knew it.

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:27.300
<v Speaker 3>But now he has a choice and he's choosing to

0:58:27.340 --> 0:58:28.340
<v Speaker 3>be something different.

0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he'll be just like me and I can let

0:58:30.780 --> 0:58:32.980
<v Speaker 2>this go and he can be the best version of himself.

0:58:34.620 --> 0:58:39.900
<v Speaker 3>But that's a hell of a roll of the dice.

0:58:40.780 --> 0:58:46.640
<v Speaker 5>I took it as programming. He's not supposed to be scary, right?

0:58:47.370 --> 0:58:49.650
<v Speaker 5>yeah so why would he be scared to do it

0:58:50.590 --> 0:58:53.090
<v Speaker 5>that's how i was afraid what he was but i

0:58:53.130 --> 0:58:54.860
<v Speaker 5>looked at what he was doing in the sense of

0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:56.580
<v Speaker 5>well this is what they trained me for if i

0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:58.660
<v Speaker 5>killed him that's taking the easy way out and not

0:58:58.700 --> 0:59:00.720
<v Speaker 5>doing what i want to do as a lantern if

0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:02.500
<v Speaker 5>i'm gonna be a lantern and i'm gonna face my

0:59:02.500 --> 0:59:04.530
<v Speaker 5>fears or whatever it may be why should i be

0:59:04.530 --> 0:59:06.850
<v Speaker 5>scared of him i've been training with my mama not

0:59:06.850 --> 0:59:08.360
<v Speaker 5>to be scared i ain't going to be scared of

0:59:08.390 --> 0:59:10.840
<v Speaker 5>this motherfucker. See, I think that he feel like he

0:59:10.860 --> 0:59:13.669
<v Speaker 5>could hold his own with Noah, but he also think

0:59:13.690 --> 0:59:16.310
<v Speaker 5>that Noah is a good person or whatever it may be,

0:59:16.350 --> 0:59:17.410
<v Speaker 5>so it won't ever come to that.

0:59:18.110 --> 0:59:20.010
<v Speaker 3>But he ain't scared of him if it do.

0:59:21.930 --> 0:59:27.290
<v Speaker 1>I think John can easily be manipulated by them goddamn man.

0:59:27.410 --> 0:59:30.550
<v Speaker 3>That's proven already. But I also think that.

0:59:32.460 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Because he because he was scared that's when when noah

0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:37.490
<v Speaker 2>got off the car he was like all right how

0:59:37.530 --> 0:59:40.690
<v Speaker 2>where you at let's let's let's debrief and then how

0:59:40.730 --> 0:59:42.510
<v Speaker 2>did it show up and that's what this is the

0:59:42.530 --> 0:59:44.450
<v Speaker 2>moment i was like damn the juice gone like the

0:59:44.510 --> 0:59:47.370
<v Speaker 2>ring is finally dead um and like now he has

0:59:47.390 --> 0:59:49.410
<v Speaker 2>to actually like you were saying make decisions on his

0:59:49.490 --> 0:59:51.490
<v Speaker 2>own he ain't got nobody to go talk to or

0:59:51.510 --> 0:59:54.110
<v Speaker 2>get counsel for or bounce ideas off of who know

0:59:54.130 --> 0:59:56.830
<v Speaker 2>about the job this is now him being a lantern

0:59:57.590 --> 0:59:59.660
<v Speaker 2>um But you can also hear in his voice, he

0:59:59.700 --> 1:00:00.979
<v Speaker 2>was like, damn, I need you, bro.

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:02.580
<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't really know what the fuck to do.

1:00:03.860 --> 1:00:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm.

1:00:06.780 --> 1:00:08.680
<v Speaker 4>Did you ask me something about that? Yeah, yeah.

1:00:08.820 --> 1:00:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I did like that scene where... Because it sounded like

1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:13.550
<v Speaker 1>he was about to cry.

1:00:14.130 --> 1:00:19.250
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was. He was struggling with the decision. But, um.

1:00:20.190 --> 1:00:23.790
<v Speaker 1>Damn, which kind of, like... What does that really have?

1:00:23.810 --> 1:00:27.030
<v Speaker 4>But, um... But, yeah, Hal was like, nah, man, you

1:00:27.050 --> 1:00:28.180
<v Speaker 4>got to do this shit on your own, man.

1:00:28.220 --> 1:00:31.040
<v Speaker 1>It's time for you to, you know, start making these

1:00:31.060 --> 1:00:33.940
<v Speaker 1>decisions because I'm not going to be around much longer anyway.

1:00:35.220 --> 1:00:36.700
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Lou, I wasn't asking a question. I was just

1:00:36.740 --> 1:00:38.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of leaning into, like, what you were saying as

1:00:38.420 --> 1:00:44.070
<v Speaker 2>far as, like, it's his, like, the programming. Like, he's

1:00:44.130 --> 1:00:46.830
<v Speaker 2>pushing back against the program and just, like, Noah's pushing

1:00:46.870 --> 1:00:48.210
<v Speaker 2>back against the program, you know?

1:00:50.930 --> 1:00:54.170
<v Speaker 3>But did y'all... We already talked about that as.

1:00:54.150 --> 1:00:55.990
<v Speaker 2>Far as the speech that John gave to Sheriff Carey

1:00:56.010 --> 1:00:59.220
<v Speaker 2>about his mom and finding things out. For the sports

1:00:59.260 --> 1:01:00.960
<v Speaker 2>fans out there, did y'all find it funny that Matt

1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Rule made a cameo appearance as a Nebraska head coach?

1:01:05.560 --> 1:01:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Damn, that was real. That was Matt Rule, yeah.

1:01:10.160 --> 1:01:12.800
<v Speaker 4>I didn't recognize him. I just thought it was funny

1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:16.590
<v Speaker 4>they gave him the white boy Hollywood ending. That's hilarious.

1:01:16.770 --> 1:01:19.890
<v Speaker 4>That's how it happened in Nebraska, King.

1:01:21.090 --> 1:01:24.850
<v Speaker 5>I was reading, well, I watched the breakdown, and they

1:01:24.890 --> 1:01:27.970
<v Speaker 5>were saying that for Noah's character, and I don't know

1:01:27.990 --> 1:01:31.630
<v Speaker 5>if it's fan theory or whatever it may be, since

1:01:31.650 --> 1:01:34.790
<v Speaker 5>he put on the red Nebraska hat, that meant that

1:01:34.830 --> 1:01:39.510
<v Speaker 5>he chose the first option that he was talking about

1:01:39.830 --> 1:01:44.030
<v Speaker 5>with John, like the All-American, whatever it may be, because

1:01:44.050 --> 1:01:46.470
<v Speaker 5>the other hat, it was a Navy hat, if y'all

1:01:46.490 --> 1:01:49.230
<v Speaker 5>seen it. which meant he would have went to the

1:01:49.330 --> 1:01:53.900
<v Speaker 5>Navy to Annapolis and did the whole political thing that he.

1:01:53.860 --> 1:01:54.520
<v Speaker 4>Was talking about.

1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:57.120
<v Speaker 5>I mean, so he, that's why they, they were saying

1:01:57.180 --> 1:01:59.940
<v Speaker 5>at the party, he still hadn't decided. And he was

1:01:59.980 --> 1:02:03.320
<v Speaker 5>fighting through it. And those two hats represented which one

1:02:03.380 --> 1:02:04.060
<v Speaker 5>he was going to do.

1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:06.520
<v Speaker 2>And then the mama, and then the mama tried to

1:02:06.580 --> 1:02:08.980
<v Speaker 2>lean into that even more saying like, Oh, he waited

1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:12.180
<v Speaker 2>for his decisions for his.

1:02:12.100 --> 1:02:17.690
<v Speaker 3>Friends to get, but I was like, yeah, It was.

1:02:18.310 --> 1:02:22.230
<v Speaker 4>We all tell us good stuff about our kids. Right.

1:02:23.770 --> 1:02:26.450
<v Speaker 2>Until they end up like Hannibal Lecter, then you ain't

1:02:26.470 --> 1:02:27.260
<v Speaker 2>got shit to say.

1:02:27.280 --> 1:02:30.040
<v Speaker 3>They're blowing the world trade, son.

1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:34.320
<v Speaker 5>But that was supposed to say that Noah, like you said,

1:02:34.480 --> 1:02:37.730
<v Speaker 5>took the all-American white boy, Hollywood, good-ended.

1:02:38.080 --> 1:02:40.160
<v Speaker 3>And that John made the right decision.

1:02:40.220 --> 1:02:42.110
<v Speaker 4>You see the choices that white men get to make, Luke?

1:02:42.390 --> 1:02:43.270
<v Speaker 4>They can either be.

1:02:44.630 --> 1:02:48.390
<v Speaker 2>A middle-class white man or president.

1:02:48.790 --> 1:02:52.850
<v Speaker 4>Which one do you want? How much power do I want?

1:02:52.950 --> 1:02:56.440
<v Speaker 2>I could be a top-five recruit at Nebraska making good

1:02:56.540 --> 1:02:59.400
<v Speaker 2>NIL money, or I could be running the world.

1:02:59.800 --> 1:03:02.800
<v Speaker 3>That's funny.

1:03:05.420 --> 1:03:10.580
<v Speaker 2>We then see John go to the lantern bat signal

1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:13.690
<v Speaker 2>statue to have one more chat with Guy Gardner.

1:03:14.600 --> 1:03:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Lou, who the hell does John think he is talking

1:03:16.340 --> 1:03:17.340
<v Speaker 3>to a guy like this, right?

1:03:17.400 --> 1:03:20.820
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm thinking, I was looking at this.

1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:22.350
<v Speaker 4>You see, Lou, I was thinking.

1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:25.290
<v Speaker 2>If Lou was a guy and had a ring of

1:03:25.350 --> 1:03:29.670
<v Speaker 2>mass destruction, the last thing he's letting is the last

1:03:29.710 --> 1:03:32.870
<v Speaker 2>nigga in Nebraska talk to him with his chest out.

1:03:34.070 --> 1:03:35.850
<v Speaker 4>Anyway. Is he getting charged?

1:03:36.030 --> 1:03:36.890
<v Speaker 3>Are you serious?

1:03:37.130 --> 1:03:38.570
<v Speaker 4>He stole the ring, boy.

1:03:39.810 --> 1:03:43.000
<v Speaker 5>He got him killed in the ring. I would have

1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:45.380
<v Speaker 5>walked him up and down space, dude. Like, bro, quit

1:03:45.400 --> 1:03:50.340
<v Speaker 5>playing with me. Who is he talking to? His chest was, Nick,

1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:53.300
<v Speaker 5>his chest was on the other side of the street. Like,

1:03:53.320 --> 1:03:56.710
<v Speaker 5>he was not going into asking the man. Hal was

1:03:57.150 --> 1:03:58.970
<v Speaker 5>so offended, he didn't even know what to say. He

1:03:59.010 --> 1:04:00.830
<v Speaker 5>was like, I don't even know how to process this.

1:04:00.970 --> 1:04:03.810
<v Speaker 5>I don't even know who to take this to. I

1:04:03.830 --> 1:04:06.190
<v Speaker 5>don't even know who to get this approved by, really.

1:04:06.250 --> 1:04:07.790
<v Speaker 4>Hey, Lewis, it's.

1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Like one of them, it's like if a mall cop

1:04:10.740 --> 1:04:12.760
<v Speaker 2>found 200 kilos of coke.

1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:15.640
<v Speaker 4>It's like, bro, this is way past my pay grade.

1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:18.580
<v Speaker 4>I'm the best people for taking t-shirts, bro. I don't

1:04:18.600 --> 1:04:19.800
<v Speaker 4>know nothing about no bricks.

1:04:20.060 --> 1:04:23.060
<v Speaker 2>He said, I see a lantern. I seen a ring

1:04:23.080 --> 1:04:26.000
<v Speaker 2>that's supposed to be on a dead man's finger. And

1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:31.680
<v Speaker 2>you black in Nebraska. You black in Nebraska after 8 p.m.

1:04:31.820 --> 1:04:32.640
<v Speaker 2>talking like this?

1:04:32.800 --> 1:04:33.440
<v Speaker 3>Come on, bro.

1:04:33.460 --> 1:04:36.840
<v Speaker 4>That's crazy, bro. He don't respect him at all.

1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:39.780
<v Speaker 3>He even told him to take his golds out.

1:04:40.440 --> 1:04:42.960
<v Speaker 4>Like, come on, brother. He thinks that you're embarrassing us.

1:04:42.970 --> 1:04:45.390
<v Speaker 3>He hit him with the pimp seed. Take that monkey

1:04:45.430 --> 1:04:45.950
<v Speaker 3>shit off me.

1:04:45.970 --> 1:04:48.520
<v Speaker 4>You're embarrassing us. What are you doing out here? And

1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:50.420
<v Speaker 4>is he talking about white people or are you embarrassing

1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:54.280
<v Speaker 4>black folks? Because we don't rock on this. You making

1:04:54.320 --> 1:04:56.090
<v Speaker 4>us look bad, bro. That's how we get down. He

1:04:56.470 --> 1:04:59.510
<v Speaker 4>was like, that looks like an unsanctioned lantern over there.

1:04:59.530 --> 1:05:01.530
<v Speaker 4>He was like, well, shit. You more than welcome to

1:05:01.550 --> 1:05:03.650
<v Speaker 4>take it from me. Who's some of us? That shit's

1:05:03.670 --> 1:05:04.290
<v Speaker 4>so fucking bad, bro.

1:05:04.310 --> 1:05:04.510
<v Speaker 2>Hey, bro.

1:05:04.550 --> 1:05:06.110
<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm saying. You want to take it from me?

1:05:06.150 --> 1:05:06.610
<v Speaker 4>He would have been.

1:05:07.470 --> 1:05:07.930
<v Speaker 3>Hey.

1:05:08.190 --> 1:05:09.770
<v Speaker 4>I'm not even going.

1:05:09.530 --> 1:05:11.890
<v Speaker 2>To say what the joke I was going to say.

1:05:11.910 --> 1:05:13.830
<v Speaker 2>But he's a black man in Nebraska.

1:05:13.850 --> 1:05:21.250
<v Speaker 4>That's all I'm trying to say. It would have been

1:05:21.290 --> 1:05:32.180
<v Speaker 4>green instead of white. All I'm saying is that I

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<v Speaker 4>was just shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>I was fucking with it, though, obviously, because he's a

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<v Speaker 2>black man, but I was just like, God got to

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<v Speaker 2>do something.

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<v Speaker 3>He just let him talk to him.

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<v Speaker 4>He did. Yeah, but no, you can't talk to me

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<v Speaker 4>like that, bro. You ain't even.

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<v Speaker 1>you turned down the job and you're not even qualified anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only did you turn down the job, he came

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<v Speaker 2>back to the job, took his badge and his gun

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<v Speaker 2>and said, all right, bro, you go somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, Earth is my shit. You deal with space.

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<v Speaker 4>I deal with Earth. It's like, nigga, what? And figure

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<v Speaker 4>out a way to tell your boss about it. Not

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<v Speaker 4>even that.

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<v Speaker 2>Matter of fact, I got a note ready for you

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<v Speaker 2>to take back to them niggas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and tell them don't even bring their ass over here.

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<v Speaker 4>This shit mine. I got it. Don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm an independent contractor. Just consider me that.

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<v Speaker 4>That was good, though. He bodied it. I wasn't really

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<v Speaker 4>a big fan.

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<v Speaker 1>This was about 50, 60, 70 years ago. This shit

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<v Speaker 1>would have been different, bro.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, shit.

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<v Speaker 2>That shit was interesting. So we find out that John

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<v Speaker 2>is on a different path.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Interested in what he was saying to Guy as far

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<v Speaker 2>as telling the Guardians if they find it in their hearts,

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<v Speaker 2>if they search their hearts to find it within themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>let me be me. They could be like, I give

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<v Speaker 2>a fuck about all that shit, nigga. I'm sending a

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<v Speaker 2>whole army to come get your ass. But I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that's his spade, you know, the high spades card he's

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<v Speaker 2>throwing down. But we didn't see Hal and John have

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<v Speaker 2>their last conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Lou, you said a third.

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<v Speaker 2>Cheer for our boy Coach Taylor?

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<v Speaker 5>Nah, because I thought Coach T was going to come back, man.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I told you, I thought he was doing the

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<v Speaker 5>bird shit with him like he was doing from episode two.

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<v Speaker 5>But it was sad to see him go. This was

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<v Speaker 5>a good moment, man. You can see they still really

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<v Speaker 5>don't fuck with each other. But the hologram version was

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<v Speaker 5>just different enough for John to be able to let

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<v Speaker 5>the guard down a little bit. And I like that

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<v Speaker 5>they did that. Like this was good. He needed to

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<v Speaker 5>show this. Because throughout the whole series, we've seen John

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<v Speaker 5>go from this one thing to what we get to

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<v Speaker 5>that last thing with his mom to this completely different thing.

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<v Speaker 5>And this had to be a part of the process

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<v Speaker 5>where he wasn't feeling that way about Hal and carrying that.

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<v Speaker 4>Shit with him. So I liked it. It was good.

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<v Speaker 2>Because for 10 years, Ken, he was holding that grudge

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<v Speaker 2>against Hal, too. Yeah, he was like, this nigga made

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<v Speaker 2>me go through all this shit on training.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, this is a horrible, you know, training day. version of, of,

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<v Speaker 3>of this.

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<v Speaker 2>But your version of, yeah, but I, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>he got his apology.

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<v Speaker 3>Through, through the last conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I think he, he finally got a chance to,

1:08:20.170 --> 1:08:23.830
<v Speaker 1>I think that version of how that he didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>get a chance to interact with was a different version

1:08:27.530 --> 1:08:30.410
<v Speaker 1>that he wished he would have, but that version showed some,

1:08:30.850 --> 1:08:33.900
<v Speaker 1>some level of care. And he finally got a chance

1:08:33.920 --> 1:08:39.020
<v Speaker 1>to get closure and hear from him, you know, in

1:08:40.900 --> 1:08:45.650
<v Speaker 1>terms of affection that he never heard from the other one.

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<v Speaker 1>And I get the sense that the 2006 version knew

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<v Speaker 1>that and he wanted to leave that as his parting

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<v Speaker 1>gift to John. Like, you are your own man now.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you got the juice now. And and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't need me around anymore so you know i'm about

1:09:00.960 --> 1:09:06.890
<v Speaker 1>it now do i think it's over nah but if

1:09:06.930 --> 1:09:10.230
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't come back it's it's definitely a good ending

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing.

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<v Speaker 4>We got is Well, I'll say this.

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<v Speaker 2>I did like how this version of Hal, he was

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<v Speaker 2>very complimentary of John and his skill set. He even said, like, look,

1:09:21.910 --> 1:09:23.470
<v Speaker 2>based on my interaction with you, you're going to be

1:09:23.490 --> 1:09:24.570
<v Speaker 2>way better than I ever was.

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<v Speaker 3>But he also gave him his last word. Don't be

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<v Speaker 3>afraid to be afraid.

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<v Speaker 4>And then he got him.

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<v Speaker 2>He tricked him into telling him that he loved him.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought that was funny as a last parting gift.

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<v Speaker 2>But the loophole to this, Ken, as you can tell

1:09:39.710 --> 1:09:43.850
<v Speaker 2>by how the show was shot, Anything before 2016, you

1:09:43.890 --> 1:09:46.030
<v Speaker 2>can go back to in the DC Comics and bring

1:09:46.050 --> 1:09:46.830
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Chandler back.

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<v Speaker 3>As like, this is what happened before this thing happened.

1:09:51.120 --> 1:09:51.740
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 2>So you can still keep him in the world without

1:09:54.439 --> 1:09:55.620
<v Speaker 2>him having the present day.

1:09:55.960 --> 1:09:58.560
<v Speaker 3>But I think it was... Lou, as soon as I

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<v Speaker 3>seen the end of that.

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<v Speaker 2>First episode, I was like, this son of a bitch

1:10:00.689 --> 1:10:02.690
<v Speaker 2>just keep doing this every show.

1:10:04.450 --> 1:10:06.090
<v Speaker 4>Except Friday Night Live.

1:10:06.370 --> 1:10:08.250
<v Speaker 2>Friday Night Live, hey, that must have been the best.

1:10:08.270 --> 1:10:10.690
<v Speaker 2>That must have been him. That's the biggest gig I got.

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<v Speaker 4>He wanted to do that, right. Yeah.

1:10:13.570 --> 1:10:16.730
<v Speaker 2>But I think that's the only way to bring him back.

1:10:16.770 --> 1:10:20.229
<v Speaker 2>But I thought this was a very touching and it

1:10:20.310 --> 1:10:23.950
<v Speaker 2>paid off kind of scene of like, bro, this duo

1:10:24.550 --> 1:10:28.060
<v Speaker 2>was perfect. perfect cast and perfect acting and everything. I'm

1:10:28.080 --> 1:10:32.650
<v Speaker 2>really glad that it paid off. Then we see as

1:10:32.689 --> 1:10:34.650
<v Speaker 2>the ending, how did y'all like the ending of this

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<v Speaker 2>episode where he goes back home?

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<v Speaker 3>He cool with his family now, kid.

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<v Speaker 2>He giving the white girl a bag of money even

1:10:40.350 --> 1:10:43.170
<v Speaker 2>though he really don't got to because he got leverage

1:10:43.229 --> 1:10:43.970
<v Speaker 2>over the sheriff.

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<v Speaker 3>He was just trying to eat fuck with her. He

1:10:47.130 --> 1:10:48.360
<v Speaker 3>was just trying to eat fuck with her.

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<v Speaker 4>He was just trying to make her life better. That's

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<v Speaker 4>a charity. That's the only way I'll make it better.

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<v Speaker 4>That's pity, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only way I made that Mason. I'm like, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>you really a sucker for real. Cause now you got

1:10:59.710 --> 1:11:01.010
<v Speaker 1>the ring and you giving her this money.

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<v Speaker 4>Shit. Like what the fuck?

1:11:02.229 --> 1:11:04.430
<v Speaker 1>She has no, Nick just said that she has no

1:11:04.470 --> 1:11:06.670
<v Speaker 1>leverage of power over you. You just take a pity

1:11:06.750 --> 1:11:06.990
<v Speaker 1>on her.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think they go to the battle. They were

1:11:11.380 --> 1:11:15.480
<v Speaker 5>hammering home the nature versus nurture stuff. And he's saying,

1:11:15.600 --> 1:11:18.360
<v Speaker 5>she gave me this sad story. I did ruin her

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<v Speaker 5>life here.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't need it.

1:11:19.979 --> 1:11:20.139
<v Speaker 2>$ 300, 000.

1:11:20.020 --> 1:11:24.260
<v Speaker 4>I got it. Yeah. I hope he got it. But

1:11:24.280 --> 1:11:25.160
<v Speaker 4>I do look at it.

1:11:25.220 --> 1:11:26.500
<v Speaker 3>He got it handed off like it.

1:11:26.920 --> 1:11:28.880
<v Speaker 2>I look at it like the version of what Hal

1:11:28.920 --> 1:11:30.700
<v Speaker 2>did when he got out of jail camp. He went

1:11:30.740 --> 1:11:32.660
<v Speaker 2>back to the town and he tried to do his best,

1:11:32.979 --> 1:11:34.380
<v Speaker 2>what he could do to clean it up. He didn't

1:11:34.400 --> 1:11:36.660
<v Speaker 2>have the money, but he had his time. And I

1:11:36.689 --> 1:11:39.990
<v Speaker 2>think John is like, nigga, I'm not doing that. But

1:11:40.010 --> 1:11:41.410
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you a bag of money and dip.

1:11:41.490 --> 1:11:42.130
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying?

1:11:42.150 --> 1:11:43.770
<v Speaker 2>Like you asked for it. I'm going to give it

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<v Speaker 2>to you. And you got the watch. So it's like

1:11:47.130 --> 1:11:48.189
<v Speaker 2>I gave it to you with interest.

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<v Speaker 4>So I had to get my watch back though.

1:11:51.170 --> 1:11:54.530
<v Speaker 5>Come on with that i'm gonna watch that.

1:11:56.330 --> 1:11:58.070
<v Speaker 2>Uh what did you think about the the scene with

1:11:58.229 --> 1:12:00.050
<v Speaker 2>uh him meeting with his family and you see i

1:12:00.070 --> 1:12:01.849
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that knows earl was in the corner

1:12:01.900 --> 1:12:03.460
<v Speaker 2>too so they watching.

1:12:03.260 --> 1:12:07.479
<v Speaker 4>Over earl oh the dad was back the dad was.

1:12:07.400 --> 1:12:13.060
<v Speaker 5>There oh damn um yeah that did that was a

1:12:13.090 --> 1:12:15.450
<v Speaker 5>good last scene it showed his i was like what

1:12:15.979 --> 1:12:16.860
<v Speaker 5>It was a good last scene.

1:12:16.900 --> 1:12:17.920
<v Speaker 4>It showed his growth.

1:12:18.280 --> 1:12:20.820
<v Speaker 5>And they did it real suddenly when his mom like

1:12:20.939 --> 1:12:23.110
<v Speaker 5>exhaled when he walked through or when they hugged or

1:12:23.130 --> 1:12:23.930
<v Speaker 5>whatever it may be.

1:12:24.390 --> 1:12:25.950
<v Speaker 4>Like she had been holding her breath or whatever.

1:12:26.030 --> 1:12:28.070
<v Speaker 5>I thought that was a nice little touch, a little

1:12:28.130 --> 1:12:29.960
<v Speaker 5>seasoning to add to it.

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<v Speaker 3>My biggest problem.

1:12:31.750 --> 1:12:36.290
<v Speaker 4>With it was the music. You didn't like the song?

1:12:36.310 --> 1:12:37.770
<v Speaker 4>I didn't get it. Man, what is it?

1:12:37.810 --> 1:12:39.269
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what the fuck is it. I don't

1:12:39.310 --> 1:12:39.790
<v Speaker 3>know what that is.

1:12:39.800 --> 1:12:42.920
<v Speaker 4>You don't know about, what's his name, kid? That was

1:12:43.000 --> 1:12:46.940
<v Speaker 4>a perfect moment for him. Oh, Michael something. Yeah, he's

1:12:46.960 --> 1:12:49.550
<v Speaker 4>a good artist. He's a good artist, bro. He's black, too.

1:12:52.110 --> 1:12:54.270
<v Speaker 5>Off they should have played some black ass shit though

1:12:54.560 --> 1:12:58.800
<v Speaker 5>they didn't i ain't no i'm talking about some traditional

1:12:58.840 --> 1:13:01.120
<v Speaker 5>like they did without cas like some did it like

1:13:01.180 --> 1:13:02.840
<v Speaker 5>people would have knew and it was like oh this

1:13:02.880 --> 1:13:04.200
<v Speaker 5>is a black ass bro he.

1:13:04.120 --> 1:13:06.720
<v Speaker 4>Not good without cas bro yeah we seen it.

1:13:06.660 --> 1:13:11.689
<v Speaker 5>Twice it could have been any black song any black

1:13:11.700 --> 1:13:13.450
<v Speaker 5>song but that one i don't know that one i

1:13:13.490 --> 1:13:16.189
<v Speaker 5>needed it That was a perfect song.

1:13:16.350 --> 1:13:17.070
<v Speaker 4>I didn't like the song, man.

1:13:17.090 --> 1:13:19.530
<v Speaker 3>The score was my only issue at the end.

1:13:19.610 --> 1:13:24.340
<v Speaker 4>I don't like that song. Y'all like that song? It

1:13:24.360 --> 1:13:32.600
<v Speaker 4>fit the whole episode. Yeah. What's his name? Michael Kunichika?

1:13:33.400 --> 1:13:34.340
<v Speaker 4>Isn't it that?

1:13:34.360 --> 1:13:35.850
<v Speaker 3>Something like that.

1:13:35.950 --> 1:13:36.750
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1:13:36.770 --> 1:13:40.490
<v Speaker 3>I recognized the name, though. I can't pronounce it. When

1:13:40.570 --> 1:13:42.420
<v Speaker 3>I saw it, I was like, I was like, damn, like,

1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:44.320
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, they tapped in.

1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:47.280
<v Speaker 4>They know, like, who to get. That's what I thought, too.

1:13:49.060 --> 1:13:52.090
<v Speaker 5>I mean, y'all are more musically inclined to new things

1:13:52.110 --> 1:13:53.730
<v Speaker 5>than I am, so I take y'all word for it.

1:13:54.689 --> 1:14:00.680
<v Speaker 4>I would rather have heard a traditional song. Yeah, Michael, Michael,

1:14:01.640 --> 1:14:05.900
<v Speaker 4>Michael Kawanuka, Kawanuka. Yeah, yeah.

1:14:06.570 --> 1:14:10.490
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was dope. Oh, yeah, real quick, last question. Ken,

1:14:10.510 --> 1:14:12.170
<v Speaker 3>what did you think about the Oath, the new Oath?

1:14:13.530 --> 1:14:18.570
<v Speaker 4>He just made some shit up. The nerds was mad, boy.

1:14:19.490 --> 1:14:22.830
<v Speaker 5>Hey, the nerds was mad.

1:14:23.590 --> 1:14:25.390
<v Speaker 4>I was like, damn, did he forget the lyrics to

1:14:25.410 --> 1:14:26.189
<v Speaker 4>the Oath, too?

1:14:27.060 --> 1:14:32.840
<v Speaker 2>He treated it like the Pledge of Allegiance.

1:14:32.860 --> 1:14:34.460
<v Speaker 4>You know how we just be saying shit in it?

1:14:37.860 --> 1:14:40.220
<v Speaker 2>You know, you've been at the HBCU where they do

1:14:40.260 --> 1:14:45.520
<v Speaker 2>the Black National Anthem. You know that third stanza come in,

1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:47.410
<v Speaker 2>you be like, oh, I forgot this shit.

1:14:49.010 --> 1:14:51.349
<v Speaker 4>Oh, man, when you said, I'll do what's right, I'm like,

1:14:51.390 --> 1:14:52.410
<v Speaker 4>what the fuck?

1:14:52.450 --> 1:14:56.350
<v Speaker 2>He said, for this lantern's like, he didn't even say

1:14:56.390 --> 1:14:57.519
<v Speaker 2>nothing bigger than himself.

1:14:57.840 --> 1:14:58.960
<v Speaker 3>He said, this right here.

1:14:59.420 --> 1:14:59.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:15:01.740 --> 1:15:04.420
<v Speaker 5>I don't even know the code and then i was

1:15:04.500 --> 1:15:07.920
<v Speaker 5>like oh he's gonna get killed for this i knew

1:15:08.020 --> 1:15:11.660
<v Speaker 5>it i knew it.

1:15:11.420 --> 1:15:14.180
<v Speaker 2>Again they going off script with this i never again

1:15:14.300 --> 1:15:16.860
<v Speaker 2>i i may be untapped in with the lantern lore

1:15:16.880 --> 1:15:19.240
<v Speaker 2>since the last time i was reading comics but i

1:15:19.320 --> 1:15:22.599
<v Speaker 2>promise you the oath is the oath bro everybody fuck

1:15:22.660 --> 1:15:26.080
<v Speaker 2>with it everybody respect it It just is what it is.

1:15:26.180 --> 1:15:30.229
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying? I know he got caught.

1:15:31.590 --> 1:15:35.750
<v Speaker 2>With a yellow green lantern too? That was forged by

1:15:35.770 --> 1:15:38.050
<v Speaker 2>a nigga that we don't fuck with? It was just like, alright,

1:15:38.070 --> 1:15:38.370
<v Speaker 2>it was.

1:15:38.310 --> 1:15:38.870
<v Speaker 4>Doing too much.

1:15:38.910 --> 1:15:39.750
<v Speaker 3>It was doing too much.

1:15:40.290 --> 1:15:43.070
<v Speaker 4>Oh, them white folks probably gonna pray. Only a nigga

1:15:43.090 --> 1:15:46.990
<v Speaker 4>would come in here. Fuck all that shit up.

1:15:47.020 --> 1:15:50.860
<v Speaker 2>He done remixed the whole thing.

1:15:51.080 --> 1:15:53.880
<v Speaker 3>With his Jesus Peace Lantern.

1:15:54.020 --> 1:15:58.180
<v Speaker 2>It got emerald gold in that bitch.

1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:00.950
<v Speaker 4>He gonna be wearing that shit on his chest.

1:16:01.030 --> 1:16:04.969
<v Speaker 2>He gonna wear it like that T-Pain chain.

1:16:06.570 --> 1:16:14.590
<v Speaker 4>It's the rock bottom. But he's not a lantern, though,

1:16:14.610 --> 1:16:17.130
<v Speaker 4>so he can't say the real shit because he's not

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<v Speaker 4>a real lantern. He made up his own job, Lou.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, that's why it's called lanterns. Not green lanterns.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just lanterns. What's that nigga?

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<v Speaker 4>He a lantern. Well, he ain't green. Yeah, he a lantern. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but it ain't yellow either. It's something like right there

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<v Speaker 4>in between. This is a funny color. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>The people of color united. Yeah, for real.

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<v Speaker 1>He's black through and through.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just going to handle all this little stuff over here, bro.

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<v Speaker 4>Y'all ain't got to come back over here no more.

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<v Speaker 4>I got all of this. I'm going to handle this

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<v Speaker 4>and we good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like when Will turned his prep shirt inside out.

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<v Speaker 4>He just went and sat down. That's what he was doing. Oh, shit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's fucked up, though. He stole his ring. I know

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<v Speaker 4>this one will work. I knew it was going to

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<v Speaker 4>work for the community. That shit made a fear and

1:17:22.930 --> 1:17:25.889
<v Speaker 4>shit like that. I haven't even seen what they were saying, bro,

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<v Speaker 4>but yeah. A black man doing that shit? Fucking damn.

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<v Speaker 4>A green ring made out of yellow? Uh-uh. With his

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<v Speaker 4>own oaf? The nigga got his own oaf? He got

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<v Speaker 4>his own oaf.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, you know, God going back talking all kinds of

1:17:46.100 --> 1:17:48.820
<v Speaker 2>shit to him. He's talking like, what was the nigga

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<v Speaker 2>off of Django when he was.

1:17:50.580 --> 1:17:53.070
<v Speaker 4>Talking to Steven?

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<v Speaker 3>This nigga right here on the... This dog and shit.

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<v Speaker 4>What's that nigga's nickname? Oh, shit. Boy, they finna get

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<v Speaker 4>that nigga out of here. Hey, man, tomorrow's gonna come soon, shit. Man, listen.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why I sent this up to James Gunn.

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<v Speaker 5>James Gunn got to decide if he good with all this.

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<v Speaker 4>He's been posting about the show. He ain't posted none

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<v Speaker 4>of this, though. I'm talking about this part.

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<v Speaker 3>He's posted enough to where he's accepted what they've done.

1:18:24.640 --> 1:18:25.880
<v Speaker 3>He was like, I love the writer's room.

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<v Speaker 4>I love what they did.

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<v Speaker 5>I wonder what he incorporated into that world, though. Because

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<v Speaker 5>that's what's going to determine if something else is going

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<v Speaker 5>to come from this. He's the head of the studios.

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<v Speaker 4>He got to. He had to greenlit this. Huh. Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>But what'd he do about the off-script shit? Like, did

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<v Speaker 5>he write that into the world? How did that work

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<v Speaker 5>from there?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this just is the origin story. So none

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<v Speaker 1>of that shit matters. He just showing up doing superhero shit.

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<v Speaker 4>We think.

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<v Speaker 5>All of this is just for context this really ain't

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<v Speaker 5>gonna come up again it ain't like the nerd the

1:18:55.930 --> 1:18:58.150
<v Speaker 5>nerds are making a big deal because like it's comic

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<v Speaker 5>well you said in the overall scheme of things this

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<v Speaker 5>ain't really gonna be a big thing it depends.

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<v Speaker 2>John stewart no it won't be that heavy because we

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<v Speaker 2>got all this you got eight episodes to learn about

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<v Speaker 2>john stewart but if you're talking about the other characters

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<v Speaker 2>that were introduced like sinestro um Guy Gardner. Those characters

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<v Speaker 2>are going to play longer, I feel like, because you

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<v Speaker 2>don't just bring those motherfuckers up. Even the Guardians. We

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<v Speaker 2>now know their introduction to this world. We now know

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<v Speaker 2>they're alive and well. So we're going to see that

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<v Speaker 2>they can come up in different ways.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah and they're you know you're definitely going to

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<v Speaker 1>see sinestro again this is just so people get familiar

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<v Speaker 1>but there was a sinestro war sinestro had his own

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<v Speaker 1>war he got.

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<v Speaker 4>A bunch of shit they got a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of stories yeah yeah yeah yeah so with john not

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<v Speaker 1>really being part of the guardians and sinestro being anti-guardians

1:19:55.310 --> 1:19:58.790
<v Speaker 1>as well like he may, he could force him to

1:19:58.830 --> 1:20:00.990
<v Speaker 1>team up or make John pick a side. Who knows

1:20:01.010 --> 1:20:02.769
<v Speaker 1>what they could do, but then there's a story art

1:20:02.810 --> 1:20:05.110
<v Speaker 1>that they could do there. And then there's another guy.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to Guy Gardner that I mentioned earlier, Cal

1:20:08.090 --> 1:20:10.250
<v Speaker 1>who took over for, for Al, Hal as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Cause, cause Hal's died a couple of times in the comics. So,

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<v Speaker 4>and they keep bringing him back. It's a comic thing, right?

1:20:16.970 --> 1:20:19.850
<v Speaker 4>So him dying here ain't don't really mean shit if

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<v Speaker 4>he's dead.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Got it.

1:20:23.970 --> 1:20:28.599
<v Speaker 3>Any other thoughts on this episode of the series overall? Really,

1:20:28.660 --> 1:20:31.059
<v Speaker 3>really strong finale episode. One of the better ones I've seen.

1:20:31.100 --> 1:20:34.390
<v Speaker 4>Reminds me. Reminds me. So, watch it.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, a strong finale. Solid season. I'm a bigger fan of...

1:20:40.710 --> 1:20:43.410
<v Speaker 5>What's his name? The great actor.

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<v Speaker 4>Pierre. Pierre. Pierre.

1:20:46.380 --> 1:20:48.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm a bigger fan of his now. I think he

1:20:48.700 --> 1:20:50.040
<v Speaker 3>did an incredible job with this.

1:20:50.280 --> 1:20:50.880
<v Speaker 4>Well-written.

1:20:50.900 --> 1:20:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Everybody did a great job in the acting.

1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:56.360
<v Speaker 5>Took a little bit in the middle for me, but

1:20:56.600 --> 1:20:59.780
<v Speaker 5>not enough for me to, like, Demerited or anything because

1:20:59.820 --> 1:21:02.040
<v Speaker 5>I feel like they did a good job all the

1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:04.420
<v Speaker 5>way through But through and through this is a good

1:21:04.460 --> 1:21:05.620
<v Speaker 5>series one of the better series.

1:21:05.700 --> 1:21:07.500
<v Speaker 4>I've watched this year. I don't watch a lot of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that It has Hot marks for me.

1:21:13.960 --> 1:21:17.479
<v Speaker 1>I enjoy watching it had my popcorn last night again

1:21:17.510 --> 1:21:20.290
<v Speaker 1>Nick so I get my popcorn a turtle lanterns and

1:21:20.330 --> 1:21:24.870
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching it and And I enjoy watching and then

1:21:25.070 --> 1:21:27.510
<v Speaker 1>even more coming to talk about it, too. I You know,

1:21:27.530 --> 1:21:30.050
<v Speaker 1>because it didn't seem like we would have as much

1:21:30.090 --> 1:21:31.550
<v Speaker 1>to talk about as we did.

1:21:31.650 --> 1:21:33.969
<v Speaker 4>And that's that. I think that's a testament to the show.

1:21:34.410 --> 1:21:37.270
<v Speaker 1>And I'm glad it's really performing well and that it

1:21:37.310 --> 1:21:41.190
<v Speaker 1>has its own identity. Like is is black, but not black.

1:21:41.290 --> 1:21:43.309
<v Speaker 1>Like it's nuanced, but we can get certain parts, but

1:21:43.330 --> 1:21:46.519
<v Speaker 1>they can pull it back. And the way they subtly

1:21:46.620 --> 1:21:53.840
<v Speaker 1>changed Jon Stewart's like personality, his character art and the

1:21:53.880 --> 1:21:57.150
<v Speaker 1>way he became a completely different person. by the time

1:21:57.170 --> 1:22:01.269
<v Speaker 1>we got to the end is, is done really, really well.

1:22:01.310 --> 1:22:03.290
<v Speaker 1>When you walk in and he getting everybody the, the

1:22:03.330 --> 1:22:06.030
<v Speaker 1>hugs and the daps and stuff like that, that, that

1:22:06.170 --> 1:22:08.330
<v Speaker 1>shit was dope. And then just that nucleus of a

1:22:08.390 --> 1:22:12.020
<v Speaker 1>family coming back together and hugging, um, and making amends

1:22:12.060 --> 1:22:13.280
<v Speaker 1>with the mom and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Now he gonna ask her about how, but you.

1:22:15.080 --> 1:22:18.339
<v Speaker 3>Know, I was about to say, he, he, he gonna

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<v Speaker 3>let that breathe for a minute.

1:22:20.000 --> 1:22:20.260
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Um, but I, I agree with y'all. I agree with y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is, this is make it, this solidified

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<v Speaker 2>it being top five, at least the number five on my,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm doing like a top 10 at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the year list, this is top five to me, Lou,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as from what I've seen, you've seen more

1:22:36.430 --> 1:22:38.290
<v Speaker 2>shows than I've seen. I've been more picky about the

1:22:38.310 --> 1:22:42.040
<v Speaker 2>shit I'm committing to, but I can't think of five

1:22:42.080 --> 1:22:46.740
<v Speaker 2>better shows. Like, and it's arguably losing in a different

1:22:46.780 --> 1:22:49.800
<v Speaker 2>list as far as this could be a top 20

1:22:49.800 --> 1:22:52.010
<v Speaker 2>of like season one offs. Like if you just had

1:22:52.020 --> 1:22:55.410
<v Speaker 2>to watch one season of a show, Where does that rank?

1:22:55.430 --> 1:22:58.400
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? People got Westworld season one,

1:22:58.630 --> 1:23:00.230
<v Speaker 2>The Wire season one.

1:23:00.390 --> 1:23:01.850
<v Speaker 4>True Detective.

1:23:01.870 --> 1:23:03.570
<v Speaker 2>True Detective is like, where does this rank? That's why

1:23:03.590 --> 1:23:04.710
<v Speaker 2>I'm putting it in the top 20. I don't know

1:23:04.729 --> 1:23:06.650
<v Speaker 2>where it ranks, but it's in the top 20 in

1:23:06.689 --> 1:23:08.760
<v Speaker 2>my opinion. But I think if they do get a

1:23:08.770 --> 1:23:10.939
<v Speaker 2>season two, I'll be right there with you, Ken, with

1:23:10.960 --> 1:23:15.280
<v Speaker 2>the popcorn. But I'm fine. I'm sitting with and accepting

1:23:15.300 --> 1:23:19.040
<v Speaker 2>that this is it. From moving forward, Aaron Pierre, he

1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:21.040
<v Speaker 2>should be just doing movies at this point, Lou, in

1:23:21.080 --> 1:23:21.660
<v Speaker 2>my opinion.

1:23:21.720 --> 1:23:22.400
<v Speaker 4>He's the next.

1:23:23.430 --> 1:23:28.750
<v Speaker 3>Black Star. It's not already. And I think doing.

1:23:28.550 --> 1:23:28.990
<v Speaker 4>A whole nother.

1:23:29.090 --> 1:23:31.269
<v Speaker 3>I think he would do another series, but I mean.

1:23:32.010 --> 1:23:34.270
<v Speaker 5>He should have kept dating Tiana Taylor. That would have

1:23:34.430 --> 1:23:35.590
<v Speaker 5>kept his profile up.

1:23:36.970 --> 1:23:38.980
<v Speaker 4>We'll see. I think that was the ticket to the movies.

1:23:39.450 --> 1:23:42.320
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, maybe in the... Well, no, he already

1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:43.679
<v Speaker 2>got the black space. Yeah, you might be right.

1:23:43.700 --> 1:23:46.939
<v Speaker 4>He already got the black space. Yeah, yeah. I love him, bro.

1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:49.820
<v Speaker 3>I mentioned it to my mama. She was like, what

1:23:49.840 --> 1:23:50.720
<v Speaker 3>are you watching right now?

1:23:50.780 --> 1:23:51.260
<v Speaker 4>And I mentioned.

1:23:51.900 --> 1:23:53.280
<v Speaker 5>the show and then i told her that he was

1:23:53.320 --> 1:23:54.810
<v Speaker 5>in she's like oh.

1:23:55.050 --> 1:23:57.230
<v Speaker 3>Yeah i know who that is so yeah yeah i

1:23:57.250 --> 1:23:58.229
<v Speaker 3>think you might.

1:23:58.030 --> 1:23:59.169
<v Speaker 4>Be right all right.

1:24:15.340 --> 1:24:18.000
<v Speaker 3>He's probably one of the most notable people we got.

1:24:18.020 --> 1:24:20.080
<v Speaker 2>To me, it's like he would only come back if

1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:24.309
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Chandler came back. Because it's kind of like he

1:24:24.330 --> 1:24:27.030
<v Speaker 2>would have to do a lot of heavy lifting if

1:24:27.070 --> 1:24:27.810
<v Speaker 2>they did season two.

1:24:30.070 --> 1:24:31.630
<v Speaker 3>He would really have to fuck with a show.

1:24:31.670 --> 1:24:33.630
<v Speaker 4>It is an HBO show, though. It is.

1:24:33.650 --> 1:24:35.820
<v Speaker 3>I will say it's HBO.

1:24:35.860 --> 1:24:36.380
<v Speaker 4>People are more.

1:24:37.500 --> 1:24:40.940
<v Speaker 5>Big stars are more likely to do TV shows now

1:24:41.000 --> 1:24:42.760
<v Speaker 5>than we know they used to be.

1:24:43.390 --> 1:24:45.170
<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, he could still do TV and do this

1:24:45.210 --> 1:24:46.020
<v Speaker 4>for a season, too.

1:24:47.860 --> 1:24:50.580
<v Speaker 3>It depends on who this co-star is, though, because he, like.

1:24:52.040 --> 1:24:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Chandler is really, like, also the other half that

1:24:54.820 --> 1:24:57.000
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about, Ken, as far as, like, the great

1:24:57.060 --> 1:24:59.860
<v Speaker 2>balance of this is a black show, but also not

1:24:59.900 --> 1:25:01.920
<v Speaker 2>a black show. Like, you get both sides of that,

1:25:01.939 --> 1:25:04.900
<v Speaker 2>and I think Aaron Pierre by himself would change the

1:25:04.939 --> 1:25:06.990
<v Speaker 2>whole dynamic of the show, or, like, if he's just

1:25:07.010 --> 1:25:09.130
<v Speaker 2>the top billing. I like that it was able to

1:25:09.170 --> 1:25:10.990
<v Speaker 2>be balanced out a bit, because it made it, like

1:25:11.010 --> 1:25:14.070
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned, Luke, more well-rounded and more universal with like

1:25:14.090 --> 1:25:17.470
<v Speaker 2>the storytelling and the perspectives but um i say i'd

1:25:17.490 --> 1:25:19.410
<v Speaker 2>have to say like this is a great show uh

1:25:20.130 --> 1:25:22.349
<v Speaker 2>sad that it's done because right now i don't know

1:25:22.370 --> 1:25:23.990
<v Speaker 2>what the hell i'm about to watch on hbo because

1:25:24.050 --> 1:25:24.929
<v Speaker 2>i know they got that.

1:25:24.850 --> 1:25:27.469
<v Speaker 3>War divorce divorce white people.

1:25:27.250 --> 1:25:29.389
<v Speaker 5>Show and i'm like i'm cool bro i i'm tired

1:25:29.410 --> 1:25:30.870
<v Speaker 5>i'm gonna watch it but i'm gonna let that build

1:25:30.950 --> 1:25:33.150
<v Speaker 5>up uh but you got there's a lot of stuff

1:25:33.220 --> 1:25:36.420
<v Speaker 5>out there's a lot of stuff on right now yeah

1:25:36.460 --> 1:25:40.860
<v Speaker 5>we'll talk off camera but um I appreciate everyone tuning in.

1:25:41.320 --> 1:25:43.710
<v Speaker 2>I think this has been a really great series to

1:25:43.750 --> 1:25:46.870
<v Speaker 2>go through. I hate that Jay didn't give his thoughts

1:25:46.890 --> 1:25:48.490
<v Speaker 2>and opinions, but I'm sure he will in the comments.

1:25:49.030 --> 1:25:52.030
<v Speaker 2>But again, please let us know what you guys think.

1:25:52.110 --> 1:25:54.349
<v Speaker 2>FPS Podcast is the Reddit thread. That's also our handle

1:25:54.380 --> 1:25:58.460
<v Speaker 2>for IG and Twitter. And we'll catch you maybe in

1:25:58.500 --> 1:26:00.280
<v Speaker 2>season two. But for right now, that's us.

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<v Speaker 3>We out. Peace.

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<v Speaker 4>Peace.