1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Live from Vall Hartland and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 1: So President Trump, after first saying I'm gonna bomb the 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: livid snot out of facilities in Iran if they don't 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: open the strain of hour moves, is now saying, eh, 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: we got a deal. Well, we don't have a deal. 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: We've got a conversation. It'll lead to a deal. And 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: of course I make deals. It's all I do. So 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: if I'm making the. 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: Deal, it'll be a good deal and everybody will have 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 2: to deal with it. Am I right? 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 3: All right? 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: Am I right? 14 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you. 15 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: This was President Trump just earlier as he was getting 16 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: ready to board Air Force one on the way back 17 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: to I don't know if he's on the way back 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: to d C or is heading out to Memphis at 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: this point. 20 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: Listen. Well, and you don't think he's gonna be a 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: let's go. 22 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: Well, when you reach a ceasefire with the RAND, do 23 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: you believe Israel would appide by that agreement? I think 24 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: Israel will be very happy with what we have. We 25 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 3: just spoke to Israel a little while ago. I think 26 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: they'll be very happy. This will be peace for Israel 27 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: long term, piece guaranteed piece if this happens, and you know, 28 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: I can't guarantee it, but I think it's going to 29 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: And my life is a deal. That's all I do 30 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 3: is deal is my whole life. I think this is 31 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: something that's going to happen, and why wouldn't it happen? 32 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: So tomorrow morning. 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: Sometime their time, we were expected to blow up their 34 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: largest electric generating plants that costs over ten billion dollars 35 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: to bill. 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: It's a very good one. 37 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: There was no dirt of money and one shot it's gone, 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: it collapses. 39 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: Why would they want that? So they called? I didn't call. 40 00:01:59,040 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: They called. 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: They want to make a deal, and we are very 42 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: willing to make a deal. It's got to be a 43 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: good deal, and it's got to be no more wars, 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: no more nuclear weapons. They're not going to have nuclear 45 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: weapons anymore. They're agreeing to that. Any of that stuff, 46 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 3: there is no deal. 47 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: Who is they? 48 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: That's my question around with no more nuclear weapons fantastic, 49 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: who is they? Because until the regime is gone and 50 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: the people create a government, who are we negotiating with? 51 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: This is the kind of stuff that drives me absolutely 52 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: positively mental. 53 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: The President had written just on they think this was 54 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: on Saturday. 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: If Iran doesn't fully open without threat the straight up 56 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: hor moves within forty eight hours from this exact point 57 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: in time, the United States of America will hit and 58 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: obliterate their various power plants, starting with the biggest one. First, 59 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. 60 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: Trump. 61 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: So he had written that in the evening, Saturday evening, 62 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: and so that would have been Monday at seven forty 63 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: four pm Eastern time. That would have been the Okay, 64 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: now we're taking out these things. Then he writes, I 65 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: am pleased to report that the United States of America 66 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: and the country of Iran have had, over the last 67 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: two days, very good and productive conversations regarding a complete 68 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: and total resolution of our hostilities in the Middle East. 69 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: Based on the tenor and tone of these in depth, 70 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: detailed and constructive conversations, which will continue throughout the week, 71 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 1: I have instructed the Department of War to postpone any 72 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: and all military strikes against Iranian power plants and energy 73 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: infrastructure for a five day period, subject to the success 74 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: of the ongoing meetings and discussions. Thank you for your 75 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: attention to this matter. President and Donald J. Trump. Now 76 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: someone can notice that he said this on a Monday 77 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: and is giving it five days. So if there's going 78 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: to be a strike, it won't affect the markets because 79 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: the markets went up. I mean the futures were up 80 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: over seven hundred. There was a moment today where the 81 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: Dow is over nine hundred. Uh you know, once the 82 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: market opens, who knows where it's going to close. The 83 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: Nasdaq was over four hundred. All they're thrilled and a 84 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: war fantastic, terrific, wonderful. 85 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 2: No one's answering my question, who are you talking to? What? 86 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: What country of Iran are you what? What deal can 87 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: be made? And with whom are you making it? That's 88 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: my question. I'm not I'm not even angry. I just 89 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: don't understand how this is supposed to work. And then 90 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: on the uranium, you said. 91 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: You want to get the brig uranium. How are you 92 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: going to get It's very easy. 93 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 3: If we have a deal with them, we're going down 94 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 3: and we'll take it ourselves. 95 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: Oh is that right? We're just gonna take it ourselves. 96 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: So now are we talking about setting in the IAEA 97 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: or we talk about setting in troops. 98 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: How do we take it ourselves? 99 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: So now we're going to guarantee the safety of Americans 100 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: going in to grab this stuff. 101 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: Listen to me carefully. I favor the end of the regime. 102 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: I admit that it's a regime change war and I 103 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: don't care. Good. Get rid of these low lifes. Excellent, 104 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: bra visimo, Count me in. But when I hear this, 105 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of it. I don't 106 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: know how I'm supposed to connect. 107 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: The dots on it. 108 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: I don't know why it is I'm supposed to think 109 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: that the deal was made because I still don't know 110 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: with whom the deal was made. I thought the statement 111 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: today was just nothing more than a part of the 112 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: propaganda war, and I still do by the way I 113 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: think with everything, and maybe this is a good place 114 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: for us to be as we go forward. Here we 115 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: do not know what is until the thing actually happens. 116 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: I think things get said. Who knows what's actually happening 117 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. I have no idea who the president 118 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: is negotiating with. It is very possible he made the 119 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: statement today about giving five days, so he wanted the 120 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: markets to relax and everyone to relax. 121 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: Everything's possible. 122 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: But I'm here to tell you if this is over 123 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: and there's some part of the ayatola esque regime in power, 124 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: the IRGC is still in power. 125 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: This was a failure. Oh, the president can say anything 126 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: he wants. 127 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: And he will, and the Israelis can say anything they 128 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: want and they will. Just telling you where I'm at 129 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: when you tell me you're negotiating, when you tell me 130 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: there's a conversation, I just don't know with whom it 131 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: would have to be with somebody you trust not to 132 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: do the other thing where you're really keeping an eye 133 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: on these things. So who is that, Because if they're 134 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: any way connected to the regime of the IRGC, there 135 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: is no trust that's possible. So that's why I think, 136 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: with all of this a breath, a beat, let's wait 137 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: to see what happens, let's wait to set see what 138 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: is real, and I will continue to make my claim 139 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: that this regime is in any way still there. We 140 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: didn't do our job. This is Tony Katz today. So 141 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: in the midst of everything we're doing in the news cycle, 142 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: right in the midst of what we're dealing with right now, 143 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: whether it's Iran whether it's oil prices, whether it's DHS funding, 144 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: whether it's the insanity of the political left somehow still 145 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: thinking that men can be women or women could be men. 146 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: What is social media? Are we all controlled by the bots? 147 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: Or is there an actual push for some of the 148 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: insanity we see? There is a loss of the history 149 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: lesson how did we get to where we are? And 150 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: this is not just true of things regarding Trump, things 151 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: regarding social media. There are these larger scale things that 152 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: have taken place of a small discussion, but very very 153 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: large effect. 154 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be here, Good 155 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: to be with you. 156 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: John Bachmann joins me right now. He is the host 157 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: of John Bachman Now on news Max. He is one 158 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: of the ogs over there since two thousand and eleven, 159 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: the og and his new book Turning Point, How Ronald 160 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: Reagan liberated Grenada and won the Cold War. Who in 161 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: the world is writing books about Grenada? But you find 162 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: out this is a book about Ronald Reagan and Margaret 163 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Thatcher and really what conservatives like myself view as this 164 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: era of conservatism where there was a philosophy, there were rules, 165 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: there was a standard, and it wasn't about being loved. 166 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: It was about being right. Start with, how in the 167 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: world you decided that this was something that needed a book. 168 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 4: Hey, Tony, how are you? And hello to your audience. Well, 169 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 4: this started as a conversation over dinner I was having 170 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 4: with a man named sal Russo, who's reference in the book. 171 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 4: He was a longtime friend of Ronald Reagan's, and we 172 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 4: were having a conversation about the fact that Ronald Reagan 173 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 4: was so cool and calm and collected, especially after he 174 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: got shot. He was just operating on a different plane. 175 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 4: He didn't get dragged into petty political fights like most 176 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 4: people did. He just operated above. 177 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: All of that. 178 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 4: And that was the one time that Salrusso told me 179 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 4: he saw Reagan where he was freaking out. Was the 180 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 4: day after he had authorized Operation Urgent Fury, And that 181 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 4: was because Reagan was deeply concerned about what it had 182 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 4: done to his relationship with Margaret Thatcher. Grenada an independent country, yes, 183 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 4: but also part of the British Commonwealth, and the United 184 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 4: States had made a decision much like the Trump administration 185 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: made the decision to not tell anyone about there going 186 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: into Venezuela. That the Reagan administration didn't tell a soul 187 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 4: even the British Commonwealth about their decision to authorize urgent 188 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 4: fury and go into Grenada. 189 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about Grenada. Grenada is 190 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: an island in the Caribbean. It's off the coast of Venezuela. 191 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: It's right there with Saint Lucia Martinie. Barbados is to 192 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: the east, turning out in Tobago is to the south. 193 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: It's an island. That's it's a blip. If you missed it, 194 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 2: you missed it. 195 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: What was the significance of Grenada to the British and 196 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: to us. 197 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 4: Well, it was significant because of its location exactly where 198 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 4: you describe. You did a great job of describing where 199 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 4: it is. And the Grenadian government wanted to build a 200 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 4: massive runway on the tiny island, and obstensibly they were 201 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 4: doing this because they wanted to attract tourism to the island. 202 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 4: But the real reason they were doing it is because 203 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 4: it would have given the Soviets and the Cubans a 204 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: very critical military outposts where they could fly their heavy 205 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 4: cargo planes in and out of Grenada without the same 206 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 4: type of scrutiny that they would if they were flying 207 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 4: it into mainland South America or into Cuba, which both 208 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 4: were heavily monitored by the United States. So that was 209 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 4: that was one of the main reasons that it first 210 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 4: came on the radar, is that the United States got 211 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: wind of really what was a military air base being 212 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 4: built on this tiny island that would have benefited the 213 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 4: Soviets and the Cubans. 214 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: Talking to you John Bachman, he's the host of John 215 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: Bachman Now on Newsmax and the author of Turning Point 216 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: How Reagan liberated Grenada and won the Cold War, which 217 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: is a very interesting way to try, you know, these 218 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: dominoes falling. But before we get maybe a little bit 219 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: further on the warfront, you bring up Margaret Thatcher and 220 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: the relationship with Margaret Thatcher. 221 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: Dig in a little bit deeper. How did the moves 222 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: in Grenada. 223 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: We're talking about nineteen eighty three here, so we're forty 224 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: three years removed from this, How did those moves affect 225 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: the relationship about regarding what she was not told and 226 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: then how it went after she was. 227 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, she was devastating by the fact that Reagan did 228 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 4: not tell her. And there's a recording of the phone 229 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 4: call that Reagan made to Margaret Thatcher. She quickly forgave him. 230 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 4: But what it did was cause a lot of political 231 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: turmoil for Margaret Thatcher inside the UK when she was 232 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 4: trying to develop this relationship, you know, leading the Conservative 233 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 4: Party in the UK at a time when they were 234 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 4: trying to shrug off the Labor Party's mistakes and all 235 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 4: the stagnation that they were dealing with there. Margaret Thatcher 236 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 4: faced a lot of political ridicule because she was not 237 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: given the heads up by her supposed political soulmate from 238 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 4: the United States. There's a lot of questions and whether 239 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 4: or not she had damaged the relationship with the United 240 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 4: States as a result of this, But of course she 241 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 4: was able to move past that with President Reagan, and 242 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 4: their partnership is also explored in this book. You know, 243 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 4: it's safe to say that both werelied heavily on each 244 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 4: other to fight back against communism, and you couldn't they 245 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 4: couldn't have done it without each other. 246 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: Of this, there's no question I wholeheartedly agree. 247 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: But the issues that it gave to Margaret Thatcher, you know, 248 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: I take a look at the fact that there're some 249 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: European nations and they're being questioned on how come they're 250 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: not being more supportive of what's happening with Iran, and 251 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: why aren't they going to help? And my answer has 252 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: been nobody wants to see being, you know, follow the leader, 253 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: being the second guy there, the last girl asked to 254 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: the dance. If you're going to be part of some 255 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: operation to rid the world of the largest state sponsor 256 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: of terror, you want to be there when it happened, 257 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: so you can be the guy who looks strong as 258 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: opposed to the person who came after that all the 259 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: work was done and you're there basically just to sweep up. 260 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: Was that the kind of take that Margaret Thatcher was 261 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: dealing with with Parliament once this's got unveiled. 262 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And there are so many similarities between how the 263 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 4: global community responded to Operation Urgent Fury and how the 264 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 4: global community is responding to Operation and Epic Fury. There 265 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 4: are a lot of parallels there. The European community didn't 266 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 4: like it, and all of the liberals inside the UK 267 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 4: didn't like it. The media in the United States didn't 268 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: like it. They accused Reagan people. The reason why this 269 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 4: story is underreported is because it happened just two and 270 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 4: three days after the Beirut marine bear Ecks bombing in Lebanon, 271 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 4: and Ronald Reagan had to make a decision. There was 272 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 4: a viral photo that going around on social media this 273 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 4: week of a bunch of Secret Service agents wearing navy 274 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 4: blazers and khaki pants and boat shoes at Augusta National 275 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 4: Golf Club. This is actually where Ronald Reagan made the 276 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 4: decision to both respond to the marine bear ecks bombings 277 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 4: in Beirut and to what happened in Grenada, which and 278 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 4: on top of what I mentioned before with the runway 279 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 4: that was being constructed there, there were about six hundred 280 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 4: American medical students on the island as a medical school 281 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 4: there called Saint George's Medical School, and the initial Communist 282 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: dictator who took over from the Governor general and the 283 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 4: democratic way of running Grenada a guy named Maurice Bishop. 284 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 4: He was actually murdered by a more radical Marxist on 285 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 4: the island, the guy who once was his friend. But 286 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: when that coup took place of the violent cup of 287 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 4: Maurice Bushop, the American medical students were put on a curfew, 288 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: a shoot on site curfew, and told that they violated 289 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 4: the curfew they would be killed, and that happened just 290 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 4: a couple of days after the Marine Barracks bombing. Ronald 291 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 4: Reagan made the decision then to go in rescue the 292 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 4: American medical students, restore democracy, and send the message to 293 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 4: the entire communist world that we were done tolerating the 294 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: expansion of communism in the Western Hemisphere. 295 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: Talking to John Bachman the book Turning Point How Reagan 296 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: Liberated Grenada and Won the Cold War? Walk me through 297 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: after effects here, because the question is what we learned 298 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: from and how does it change things? 299 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: And I think that. 300 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: There's we can go through our own basic histories, right, 301 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: not necessarily being historians and having these in depth detailed 302 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: understandings of specific instances like you were able to do 303 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: as you dug in on this book, which, by the way, 304 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: the book Turning Point How Reagan Liberated Grenada and Won 305 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: the Cold War available at Amazon dot Com or wherever 306 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: find books are sold. 307 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: What is the lesson here? 308 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: What is it that the Pentagon that the military leaders, 309 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: that analysts took into effect from what took place? And 310 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: how has it affected foreign policy going forward? Yeah? 311 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 4: I mean Grenada was viewed mostly as a failure. The 312 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 4: way it was portrayed in the media that we lost 313 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 4: nineteen Americans service members. But the big takeaway and why 314 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 4: it ultimately is looked at as a success, is how 315 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 4: the Grenadian people feel about the United States coming in 316 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 4: and liberating their island from communism. They still celebrate this 317 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 4: every year on October twenty fifth as their Thanksgiving Day, 318 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 4: and that is the day that they were liberated from communists. 319 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 4: They still that is the I think the best way 320 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 4: to measure the success of the operation. Now, we have 321 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 4: been taught Tony, basically our whole entire adult lives that 322 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 4: there are only two choices when it comes to military engagements. 323 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 4: That is, one, don't do it at all. The isolationists theory, 324 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 4: which has permeated through the Republican Party and is we 325 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 4: know from history, is not the best way to proceed. 326 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 4: And then what we also saw in our lifetimes was 327 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 4: these prolonged, decades long conflicts Iraq and Afghanistan where we 328 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 4: are in forever wars. What Grenada teaches us is that 329 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 4: there is a third way. There is a limited military engagement. 330 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 4: You don't establish a occupying force. You turn the island 331 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 4: back over to its people, You allow them to conduct elections, 332 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 4: and then you get out. You don't have these long 333 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 4: hearts and minds campaigns that have not proven successful. You 334 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 4: think you can add Vietnam into the mix as well, 335 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 4: and I think that's what we might be seeing developed 336 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 4: with President Trump specifically, when you talk about Venezuela and 337 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 4: the fact that they went in there black bag, Nicholas 338 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 4: Maduro got them out of there and now are able 339 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 4: to run things the way they are. I think they 340 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 4: need to make more changes. It's really hard for a 341 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 4: lot of the Venezuelan people to accept Delsea Rodriguez as 342 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 4: the president of that country, considering she was right there 343 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 4: with Nicholas Maduro doing everything horrible that he did. But 344 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 4: we don't have an occupying force in Venezuela that's not 345 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 4: going to turn into Iraq. Iran is obviously a little 346 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 4: bit more complicated right now, but it doesn't appear like 347 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 4: that's going to turn into an Iraq or in Afghanistan either. 348 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 4: And Grenado wasn't that certainly a much smaller scale, of course, 349 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 4: but still it was intense conflict and we did not 350 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 4: turn it into a forever war. So that is a takeaway. 351 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 4: There is a third option available for the US. 352 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: Military John Bachman. 353 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: The book is Turning Point, How Reagan Liberated Grenada and 354 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: One the Cold War. You can find that at Amazon 355 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: dot com wherever fine books are sold. Catch him noon 356 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: every Monday through Friday on the end too over there 357 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: at Newsmax. 358 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: John. 359 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: Appreciate you as always, Thanks for taking the time. 360 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 4: Always great and to talk to you, Tony and look 361 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 4: forward to having you on the show since. 362 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: Or coming up on Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz Today. 363 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: Like you, well, you know what I should say. 364 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: I think like you, I believe in the United States 365 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: removing itself from the United Nations. 366 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: Tony Kats Tony Katz Today. Maybe you know, maybe you disagree. 367 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to assume these things because that's just 368 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: and then there's a whole expression you're supposed to use. 369 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: And I think, though we may be generally aligned, that 370 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: the United Nations provides no value. And part of the 371 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: no value it provides is based on two things. Number one, 372 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: the NonStop commitment of money to an organization that hates 373 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: us and hates Western civilization. We pay them to push policies, ideas, 374 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: and philosophies that are counter to what it is that 375 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: has made us so strong and so great that we can. 376 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: Afford to give all this money to them. They're quite 377 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: literally biting the hand. 378 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: That feeds them for some radical progressive ideology. 379 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 2: And they've never met a desk spot. They don't love. 380 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: The groups and organizations and ideas that they support are 381 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: so horrifying. Why would you want to work with these people? 382 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: That goes to the old adage you keep your friends close, 383 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: keep your enemies closer. You know what, Sometimes they can 384 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: go sit in the other room. Sometimes they can go 385 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: sit in another building. 386 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: And I don't think we need all this real estate 387 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: in New York to let these people sit in. I 388 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 2: think we should rethink the positioning. Now. 389 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Do I oppose some level of organization where nations get 390 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: together and talk and try and work out differences. No, 391 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: as a concept, whether it's the League of Nations or 392 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: the United Nations, I don't oppose the idea. I oppose 393 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: the thinking that somehow this means we are under thumb, 394 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: or that we owe something special, or that we should 395 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: change who we are as a people as a nation 396 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: because of these other nations. 397 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 2: Everyone should live their lives. 398 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some things that we could do together 399 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: in some ways that we could be of service to 400 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: one another, calm down conflicts, prevent them before they start, 401 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: help organ nives or engage in trade. Maybe you will 402 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: come to the realization that this isn't needed. Everyone just 403 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: be cool, honey, bunny, just be normal. But this spending 404 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: of money that we spend to be part of the 405 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: United Nations to only have the UN hate US is 406 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: just out of control. The US, by the way, was 407 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: assessed twenty two percent of the UN regular budget in 408 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Their budget three point five billion US 409 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: eight hundred and twenty million. Nah, all, we could do 410 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: a lot of work with the eight hundred and twenty million. 411 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: How many nurses could we pay off their student loan debt? 412 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: You notice that I always go to the nurses first. 413 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: The other day, when I was talking about the fraud 414 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: that we're all engaged with across the country and the 415 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: amount being paid out to these fraudsters who need to 416 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: be in jail or worse, I said, you would you 417 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: would never have a homeless veteran again, And then I 418 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: brought up the nurses. But I always seem to default 419 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: to the nurses. Eight hundred and twenty million a year. 420 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: What what nursing debt. Would you have you work for 421 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: for X number of years in an urban or a 422 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: rural or or we pick the place, we pick the 423 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: area that needs nurses. 424 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: We wipe the we wipe the debt clean. Absolutely it would. 425 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: I would argue the best, the second best spending of 426 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: the money we could possibly do the first best pay 427 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 1: down the debt. But I think that having nurses and 428 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: not having them worry about debt, and having them in 429 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: places where they are well needed, and that would be 430 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: of huge consequence to a positive to the nation, to 431 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: the nation's welfare. But certainly it's not to the UN 432 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: at eight hundred and twenty million dollars. 433 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: Especially when the UN is doing things like this. 434 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: It is from newst un dot org and I saw 435 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: somebody mention this. 436 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: I think it was in a social media feed. 437 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: I forget Who's un News Global Prospective Human Stories and 438 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: the story was from March nineteenth, amid deepening crisis in Palestine, 439 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: girls face rising risks in a mounting mental health emergency. 440 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: First things first, where the hell is Palestine? There is 441 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: no Palestine, it doesn't exist. It was a reference to 442 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: a region. There was no country. Dear Lord, the Palestinian 443 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: people aren't even Palestinian. It's a name Yasir Arafat gave 444 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: to them. It's not real. 445 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 2: Stop it deepening crisis in Palestine. 446 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: That alone, goodbye, done, finished, complete, have. 447 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: A nice day. 448 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: But the story discusses what young girls are dealing with 449 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: because of what has taken place in Gaza. According to 450 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: a program officer for the UN Agency for Sexual and 451 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: Reproductive Health, again we need to drop the UN. We 452 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: have more than one million children in Gaza who need 453 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: mental health and psychosocial support services. Well, that's a good 454 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: way to say, yes, you have to keep funding us 455 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: so we can keep having a job. We'll never get 456 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: anything done. There will be no result that comes from it. 457 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: But as long as we have a job and we 458 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: could say we're doing these good things that no one 459 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: could actually prove. 460 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: Okay, fine, I mean if we want to discuss how 461 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: the grift works. 462 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: Now you say to me, Tony, you don't think we've 463 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: got the girls have a problem in Gaza. I'll say 464 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: to you, the girls have a huge problem in Gaza 465 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: and it's called UMAs. 466 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 2: And then it'll be a radical Islamist. But the idea 467 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 2: that the UN says the thing. Oh my gosh, we 468 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: need to put millions of dollars to this. 469 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: No, no, no, we don't. I don't believe their number either. 470 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: So ninety six percent of children and gods I feel 471 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: that death is imminent. This reflects the depth of fear 472 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: and trauma they experience daily. I don't deny that there's 473 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: a trauma that they experience daily. I think that trauma 474 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: goes away when Hamas is obliterated, gone in, every member dead, 475 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: and then when they don't. 476 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 2: Devote for terrorists. Now you say to me, Tony, we're 477 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: talking about children. I hear you. 478 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. Maybe their parents should love 479 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: them more. You think I'm being harsh. I think I'm 480 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: delivering the proper critique of the situation. They live in 481 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: a hellscape. They live in their own prison because their 482 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: parents and their grandparents and their great grandparents maybe supported 483 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: a terrorist organization and said, let's give up what could 484 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: be a real life to these monsters. And then they 485 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: proved on October seven to twenty twenty three that many 486 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: of them were the same monsters. 487 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 2: So they feel that death is imminent. 488 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: Sixty one percent suffered from post traumatic stress disorder. Thirty 489 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: eight percent from depression, forty one percent from anxiety. One 490 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: in five adults contemplate suicide almost daily. I don't actually 491 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: deny that that is true. Then it gets into. 492 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 2: Something horrifying, and you say to me, that wasn't horrifying. WHOA. 493 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be sharing this with you if it. 494 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: Wasn't really something to dig into, because it's a great 495 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: example of not only the madness of the UN, the 496 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: broken of the UN, this very idea of referring to 497 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: Gaza as Palestine the very or they referring to Israels 498 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: Palestine because they're trying to wipe Israel off the map, 499 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: in which case. 500 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: Screw them again, get rid of the UN. 501 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: And then this idea of one million children who need 502 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: mental health and psychosocial support services destroy hamas less kids 503 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: will need help give them a life, they write. Within 504 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: this crisis, girls are among the most vulnerable in Gaza. 505 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: Child marriage. Yeah, maybe I should have given better warning. 506 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: Child marriage, they write, which was previously on the decline, 507 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: has resurved sharply. Rates have fallen from twenty five point 508 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: five percent in two thousand and nine. 509 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 2: Oh my god, one fourth of all girls were married 510 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 2: off and we're talking about children, we're talking about eleven 511 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: year olds. 512 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure we understand what it 513 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: is what we're talking about here. We're talking about fourteen 514 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: year olds twenty five point five percent in two thousand 515 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: and nine to eleven percent in two thousand and two. 516 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 2: And now it's on the rise. 517 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: And that a study found that seventy one percent of 518 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: respondents in Gaza reported increased pressure to marry girl under eighteen. 519 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: And they took a look. 520 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: More than four hundred marriage licenses were issued in a 521 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: short monitoring period. They don't see the period for girls 522 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: age fourteen to sixteen in emergency courts, but the figures 523 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: are likely underreported. 524 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: And why is this happening? 525 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: Some families see marriage as a survival strategy amid the displacement, poverty, 526 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: and insecurity. 527 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: That's horrifying. Child marriage is horrifying. 528 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: The sexual abuse, the rape of fourteen year olds is 529 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: not something we're supposed to condone, but the un kind 530 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: of is here. Well, they see it as a survival strategy, 531 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: so therefore it's okay. Now a lot of people stopped 532 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: at that in this kind of synopsis story here, allow 533 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: me to go a little bit further, make sure I'm 534 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: giving the full story. They write that the consequ whences 535 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: are severe. Twenty twenty five, approximately ten percent of newly 536 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: registered presidencies in Gaza. Newly registered pregnancies in Gaza were 537 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: among adolescent girls. Access to healthcare shrinking. Only fifteen percent 538 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: of health facilities in Gaza are currently able to provide emergency, 539 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: obstetric and neonatal services, increasing the risk and complications for 540 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: young mothers and their babies. 541 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: And then some evidence. 542 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: Suggests that sixty three percent of girls married at a 543 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: young age have experienced physical, psychological or sexual violence. 544 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no doubt. 545 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: So they report that this idea creates a massive issue. 546 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: It's a horrifying life. 547 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: Children getting pregnant, not access to the kind of care 548 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: that they meet, and the girls are getting raped on 549 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: the regular. So is the UN saying don't do this? 550 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: Is the UN discussing how not. 551 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: To do this? 552 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: How do they write it that they have expanded support services. 553 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: The agency has reopened and supported more than thirty five 554 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 1: safe spaces for women and girls, providing case management and 555 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: multi sexual responses to gender based violence. 556 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: What the. 557 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: It's not even a statement? More than one hund one 558 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand. More than one hundred and twenty 559 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: thousand dignity and hygiene kits have been distributed and across Palestine, 560 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: over fifteen multipurpose youth centers are operating, with eleven dedicated 561 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: to girls. A couple things here. First, still this thing 562 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: about Palestine. Secondly, what the heck is a multipurpose youth 563 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: center and how are the girls supposed to go there 564 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: if they're basically the property of these men sexually abusing them. 565 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: What in the world is a dignity kit And why 566 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: would we think that this. 567 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 2: Is something to fund. 568 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: We're insane, guys, We are certifiable if we think this 569 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: is worthwhile. Many families prioritize survival over mental health. Yeah, 570 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that they want to survive. 571 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: Is anybody gonna ask. 572 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: Why they can't survive, Well, it's because Israel bomb them. 573 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: Were they surviving before? Absolutely not. Hamas did this. That's 574 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: the story. The UN wants to make it look like 575 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: while everything was getting better until Israel did no mention 576 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: what Hamas did, no mention how the Palestinians piled on 577 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: on October seventh, no mention about no Palestinian actually worked 578 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: to help the hostages get free. 579 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: They knew where the haunches were. They didn't give a damn. 580 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: What are we doing? Why do these people have our money? 581 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 2: Why are we wasting our time? Let's stop. 582 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: We should pull out of the un we should move 583 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: them out of the United States. 584 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 2: If we want to start a new let's start anew 585 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: But with none of this. This is madness and it 586 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: has to stop. This is Tony Katz today. 587 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: Her name is Sheridan Gorman and she was shot on 588 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: the campus of Loyola in Chicago. Tony Katz, Tony Kats Today, 589 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: of Venezuelan migrant has been arrested in connection with her murder. 590 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: He's accused of approaching the eighteen year old and fired 591 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: the fatal shot from behind. This at the Loyola Beach Pier. 592 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be here, Good 593 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: to be with you. You're going to find it. Certainly 594 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: does seem that this is exactly the Lake and Riley story. 595 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: Why was this guy in the country? Howd he get 596 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: into the country? Was he here legally? Was he here illegally? 597 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: What was he known to have done before he was 598 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: identified as a migrant for Venezuela not yet know. By 599 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: this time tomorrow we may know the answer about his 600 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: legal status. One prior arrest in Cook County a shoplifting 601 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: misdemeanor from a may se'son June of twenty twenty three. 602 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 2: I'll wait till we. 603 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 1: Get more information. Girl just minded our business, shot and killed. 604 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: This is our society. No rational person wants this, No 605 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: rational person in any way deserves this. The question is 606 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: how do we stop this now? Regardless of anything else 607 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: in this case, we need to stop bringing people into 608 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 1: the country who are detrimental to the country. Then we 609 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: need to make sure that we are proactive in ensuring 610 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: that anybody on a watch list or anybody who has 611 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: a problem is actually being kept an eye on. Some 612 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: things you can't plan for. Some things, you can't stop 613 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: the bad thing from happening. Our question should be what 614 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: bad things can we stop that is reasonable for us 615 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: to go do. 616 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 2: Then let's go do it. I don't think I'm asking too. 617 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: Much here, but the investigation to what happened to this girl, 618 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: we need to see it and then we need. 619 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: To talk about it. Get the podcasts. 620 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: Just look for Tony Katz today on your favorite podcast platform. 621 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: I'll catch it tomorrow. Everyone take care,