1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Why from Baal Hartliner and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Privately, Democrats are infuriated that the shutdown is coming to 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: an end. But publicly, Democrats are infuriated that the shutdown 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: is coming to an end. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: good to be with you. I got to admit I 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: am surprised by the speed. I didn't think things would 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: move in the Senate that quickly. You have the senators 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: that came over, joining people like Senator John Fetterman. You 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: got the senators from New Hampshire, Angus King, the Independent 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: of Maine, and they say, you know what, this is 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: over And Democrats say. 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: What, Why in the world would you call this over. 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: That's ridiculous, that's insane. It shouldn't be over. What in 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: the world are you talking about? 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: Over? Over? You say over? Nothing is over until we 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 3: decided it is. Was it over? 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: When the German's bon par. 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: It's very hard to disagree with Senator Blutarski there, but 20 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: they couldn't believe it. You're giving in to the Republicans. 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: Democrats don't know how to give in. They've been extremely 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: good at this since they have no shame, and they 23 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: don't care what actually happens. They're totally fine with applying pressure, 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: applying pressure and lying and having the media amplify those 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: lies and applying pressure. So Republicans cave, Republicans give in, 26 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: and Republicans didn't cave. 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: And this, by the way, is the real story. 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: The real anger from this shutdown is that Republicans didn't cave. 29 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: They didn't do what they were supposed to do. You 30 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: are going to find that this moment has a connectivity 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: point to the two thousand election when the Supreme Court said, 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: we're done with the recount. Here, George Bush has more 33 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: votes in Florida, he's the president. 34 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: We're done. That moment for the political left. 35 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: Was what wah blah blah blah blahah. 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: We are the courts belong to us. These are our courts. No, wait, 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: what do you mean, it's over? What in the world 38 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: are you talking about? 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: It's over over? You say over, yeah, I can't do 40 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: it twice. That's just ridiculous. 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: And there if you want to talk about where the 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: real anger was, where the real birth of progressivism in 43 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: the mainstream was, it's that everything I think comes from 44 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 1: that moment as a massive tipping point to the progressive 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: landscape we see. 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: I think this will add to it. 47 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: Oh, Republicans didn't cave to all our pressure and screaming 48 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: Republican health care crisis and screaming about how Trump was 49 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: starving children. No, it's Democrats who are starving children. They 50 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: want kids to starve, They want this to go on. 51 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: And I don't think they're going to forgive so easily. 52 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 2: And not only not only are they. 53 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: Not going to forgive their own people, they're not going 54 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: to forgive Republicans for not playing the game. 55 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: And what's the game? We complain and you capitulate, see. 56 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 3: Oh oh no, no, no, no. 57 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: Expect things to be worse in future quote unquote negotiations. 58 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you think the left breaks from this? No, no, no, no, no, 59 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: no no. 60 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: They triple down into further insanity because they believe you 61 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: have to give in. 62 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: Remember what the left believes. If we talk about the government. 63 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: Shutdown, right saying we're not going to vote for a 64 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: continuing resolution, as Democrats would not until you increase Obamacare subsidies, 65 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: which I always argued Trump would do. 66 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: Anyway, This was their argument, illegals. 67 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: Get healthcare, and we give subsidies for the Affordable Care 68 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: Act because we admit that it's not affordable. This was 69 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: the whole and the totality of their argument. And they 70 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: thought they could get Republicans to do their bidding. 71 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: And what did they say? 72 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: We'll sit down with anyone, anywhere, at any time. What 73 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: does that matter. That's what we said here. 74 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. 75 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: If you're willing to sit down, you won't give in. 76 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: You want what you want. You don't understand that. To 77 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: quote President Trump, you don't have the cards. You don't 78 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: have it. What you're depending on is Republicans collapsing. And 79 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: they didn't. 80 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: And I have to believe that Republicans privately and Republicans 81 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: in caucus meetings and never said, my gosh, we didn't collapse. 82 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: These people didn't cave. 83 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: Huh. 84 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: This is really interesting. I wonder what else we won't 85 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: cave on. 86 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: I wonder what else we can do now. 87 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: I wonder how strong we really aren't. I can't answer 88 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: the question as to whether or not that message will 89 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: really be received, but I got to assume, have to assume. 90 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: So Republicans don't cave. Democrats are infuriated. 91 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: They don't cave Democrats cave, which is exactly what happens, 92 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: and now there is a fallout. First it gets through 93 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: the Senate, it's already engaged some procedural hurdles in the House, 94 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: and we might see a vote on this today which 95 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: could get it to the President's desk by Friday, which 96 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: would be fantastic. But check out this is Tom Emmer. 97 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: Tom Emmer is a congressman from Minnesota. 98 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: He is let Is Hee, the majority whip. He is 99 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: the majority whip, and this is check this out. Check 100 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: out his commentary right here. 101 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 4: You really think that Democrats you've talked to are not 102 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: happy with him, they shouldn't be. 103 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: He has not risen to the occasion. 104 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 4: He thinks this is a college young Democrats group, that 105 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 4: this is a mayor. He's dealing with Americans lives. He's 106 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 4: not playing a gotcha game, and that's what. 107 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: He thinks he's playing it. He just he's been a. 108 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,239 Speaker 4: Complete non factor in this whole process. This has literally 109 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 4: been driven by the aging Chuck Schumer in the Senate, 110 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 4: who's another guy who's past his prime. He either consented 111 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 4: to this deal Brian in the Senate, or he doesn't 112 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 4: have control of his caucus. 113 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: Over in the Senate. 114 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 4: I think you're going to see leadership changes in both bodies. 115 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: He's talking about a team Jefferies, and he's talking about 116 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer, the aging Chuck Schumer Tom Emmer sixty four 117 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: by the way, So I don't know. I have no 118 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: idea if we call that aging or not. I just 119 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: think it's interesting that that's the terminology that they're using, 120 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: the aging Chuck Schumer. And while Democrats are angry and 121 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: they may not be able to take it out on Republicans, 122 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: they may take it out on other Democrats. I still 123 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: argue that a Keem Jeffries will be the leader of 124 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: the Democrats in the House. I cannot imagine that they're 125 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: going to do away with him, although I would not 126 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: mind it. But let's see what they do in the 127 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: House today regarding the vote. But in the Senate, oh, 128 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: I think it's FATA complete, that Chuck Schumer is all done. 129 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: I won't miss them, will you? I didn't think so. 130 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Kats. This is Tony Katz today. 131 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 5: Being war fighting lethality as a senator mentioned training, discipline, accountability, 132 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 5: readiness at the forefront of everything we do at the 133 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 5: Department of War. That means no more social justice, no 134 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 5: more political correctness, no more toxic ideological garbage that infected 135 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 5: the department. As I've said before, but we repeat and 136 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 5: we repeat because as a good old television host, you know, 137 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 5: it takes a while for it to actually sink in. 138 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 5: No more identity months, no more DEI offices, no more 139 00:07:52,480 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 5: dudes in dresses, no more climate change. It actually was 140 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 5: a thing. It actually was a thing. 141 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: Nobody is questioning whether or not it was a thing. 142 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: Mister Secretary Tony Katz, Tony Katz today going to be 143 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: with you. Find everything at Tony Katz dot com. That's 144 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: Pete Hegsett, the Secretary of War as we're now calling it, 145 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: although there might need to be an official name change 146 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: that has to take place, as opposed to saying Secretary 147 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: of Defense. And he was speaking at the Northeast Indiana 148 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: Defense Summit. It's interesting and these kinds of things are 149 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: popping up. Senator Jim Banks of Indiana, when he was 150 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: a congressman, started this were there's a defense contracting business 151 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: in Indiana, and there's some part of this in a 152 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: lot of states across the Midwest. A lot of important 153 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: bases here there and everywhere, a lot of important contracts, 154 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: a lot of important work. Well, how do you put 155 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: yourself on the map and engage conversations that are going 156 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: to get people interested, get interesting people, and hopefully create some. 157 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: Invas in your state. 158 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: So I always like this and very much approved of 159 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: the idea. And I attended a couple wasn't able to 160 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: attend this year. And of course this is the arpete 161 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: Hegseth comes to have a conversation. So this is to 162 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: a group of people, some in the world of contracting, 163 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: some not right defense contracting, but it's a smaller regional conversation. 164 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: I want. 165 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: I was curious if if Heagset's conversation changes at all, 166 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: And as you heard, no, no, not at all, seemingly 167 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: not in the slightest. But I wanted to share with 168 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: you some of what he said, because we don't always 169 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: we get to hear him in these major spaces. But 170 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: when you've got a small group and it's a couple 171 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: hundred people who are probably in attendance. 172 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: Maybe more maybe for this one, there were three four. 173 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: Hundred people who are sitting in the room, what is 174 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: it that they're at, what is actually being discussed? What 175 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: is it that he's trying to get across. So this 176 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: was Secretary hegseth. 177 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 5: No more climate change worship, no more division, no more delusions, 178 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 5: gender delusions or quotas, no more distraction. As the Chairman 179 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 5: of the Joint Chiefs puts it, Pete, you're clearing out 180 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 5: the debris. 181 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: That's what it is. 182 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 5: We're clearing out the debris from out front of NCOs 183 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 5: and officers. 184 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 3: We're done with that stuff. 185 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: It doesn't take a PhD. 186 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 5: To understand that sergeants don't need sensitivity training. But we're 187 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 5: taking the next step. We're not just undoing damage. We're 188 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 5: solidifying the way forward. We're taking concrete steps to ensure 189 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 5: that common sense rains going forward. We're restoring a ruthless, dispassionate, 190 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 5: and common sense application of standards. 191 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: I don't want. 192 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 5: I introduced a golden rule test in a speech I 193 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 5: gave at Quantico to a number of generals and senior enlisted. 194 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 5: It is do onto your formations that which you would 195 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 5: have done unto your sons. Would you put your son 196 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 5: or your daughter into the type of formation. 197 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 6: You are creating. 198 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 5: It's a very clarifying rule. So I don't want my 199 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 5: son serving alongside troops who are fat and out of shape, 200 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 5: or in combat units with females who can't meet the 201 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 5: same combat arms physical standards as men in their units. 202 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 5: Standards must be uniform, gender neutral, and high. 203 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: This is exactly the conversation he had when he assembled 204 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: all the generals and admirals together, and people are like, 205 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: this wasn't necessary. It was absolutely necessary. Let's say it 206 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: again for the people in the cheap seats. We do 207 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: have a problem in our military. And this idea that 208 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: somehow we as the civilians can't make a note of 209 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: this and make changes to this is nonsense. When Trump 210 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: said he knows more than the generals, I could appreciate 211 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: people saying that's just ridiculous. But we did not take 212 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: into consideration, or at least they didn't. Is the number 213 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: of generals who were indeed ridiculous. Let's take a look 214 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: at their track record, never mind their ideology, never mind 215 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: what it is that they were brought up with in 216 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: the ranks, and they were able to move up politically, 217 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: because to be a general, you're moving up politically and 218 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: what it is you have to say. 219 00:11:59,040 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 3: Do and believe. 220 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: Of course, we need to change as and we need 221 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: to change what it was doing to the troops down 222 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: the line, to the troops who are going to be 223 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: on the front line, to the troops who do the fighting. 224 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: You must have a focused force and you must indeed 225 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: have a standard. This conversation is still happening, same exact one. 226 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: Pete Hegseatt not changing who he is for a specific group. 227 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: This is good stuff, and he's right, and we need 228 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: to be supporting this in every single way. 229 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: It's simple. 230 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 5: It's colorblind, gender neutral, merit based. I say colorblind, gender neutral, 231 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 5: merit based. That's what the military should be because if 232 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 5: they're not standards, then they're just suggestions, suggestions that get 233 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 5: our sons and daughters killed in combat. 234 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: And that's why I've. 235 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 5: Directed every service to ensure that every requirement and every 236 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 5: combat mos returns to the highest male standard, only one 237 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 5: standard across those combat jobs. If females make it fantastic 238 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 5: and they're most qualified for that position. If not, then 239 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 5: so be it. It's not about what gender makes it 240 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 5: into what positions are the standards meet the duty and 241 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 5: the position. Because a body on a battlefield that all 242 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 5: one five to five round weighs the same whether you're 243 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 5: a man or a woman, So in line with Potus's 244 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 5: common sense agenda, the first item of what we're undertaking 245 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 5: inside the Department of War is restoring the warrior ethos. 246 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 5: So a lot of what I just said falls into 247 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 5: the category of restoring the warrior ethos. 248 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: And it's up and down the ranks. 249 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 5: As I mentioned that speech at Quantico, whether you're an 250 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 5: airborne ranger or a chairborne ranger, a brand new private 251 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 5: or a four star general in the Pentagon, you need 252 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 5: to beat height and weight standards and pass. 253 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: A PT test twice a year. 254 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 5: I also said, we don't need to be in military 255 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 5: of beardos anymore. Do you know how many troops claim 256 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 5: to be Nordic pagan No, Suddenly it's become like this. 257 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: Real religious, fake religious. 258 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 5: Affiliation inside the Pentagon, where troops claim to be Nordic 259 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 5: pagan so they can grow a beard and no one 260 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 5: challenges them on it because no one's upheld standards for 261 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 5: a long time. So a quarter of the platoon is 262 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 5: sporting beards because they're now suddenly Nordic Pagans. We're not 263 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 5: doing that stuff anymore. 264 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: For me, I don't know if I care if a 265 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: soldier has a beard, but I don't think it's about 266 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: whether or not I care. And this becomes a very 267 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: interesting conversation about whether or not people can accept the 268 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: fact maybe their feelings don't matter at all. How I 269 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: feel about a beard is inconsequential. 270 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: What the military is saying is we do it this way, 271 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: and upholding the standard is not just about a look. 272 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: It's about an attitude. 273 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: And this seems to blow people's minds by saying we 274 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: don't do beards. We're saying that there's a reason. And 275 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: the reason is not just because we think some of 276 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: you do it scraggly and it doesn't look professional. It's 277 00:14:55,240 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: because we're all in this together, and we do this together, 278 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: and we share these standards together, and in that you 279 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: build the bonds of brotherhood, and you build the strength 280 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: and the consistency. 281 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: And this is exactly what matters. 282 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: And those of you who served, tell me, tell me 283 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: how right I am, or if I'm wrong, I mean, 284 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: also tell me I'm wrong. But really, isn't there this serious, serious, 285 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: important issue about how well we are connected, how well 286 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: we are in this together. Because you got to rely 287 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: on the person next to you, you have to, and 288 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: there are these things, small things and large things that 289 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: create these bonds, and the bonds are valuable, invaluable. 290 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: This is the way. 291 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: And of course people who have no concept of such 292 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: things believe that their feelings should matter. 293 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: This is where the minds are blown apart comes in. 294 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: The leftist is not oft told that their feelings don't 295 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: matter when it comes to the military. I don't give 296 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: a good holy damn about your progressive feelings. Don't care 297 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: about anything. I care only and solely about unit readiness. 298 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: Years ago I had this conversation with somebody who knew 299 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: far more about the military than I, and his argument 300 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: it was Brian Suit's radio host out of Los Angeles, 301 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: very very good guy. I think he might now be 302 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: in the Seattle area doing radio. A smart dude, good dude. 303 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: And his argument was was that the concept of transgender 304 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: did not actually affect unit readiness. He didn't believe that 305 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: it did based on his observations and his conversations. Mixed 306 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: sexes affected unit readiness because that led to sexual tension 307 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: and that led to distractions, not trans to anything. And 308 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: I said, okay, interesting, interesting, Interesting. I should always have 309 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: in those conversations anytime I brought that up. Clarified that 310 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: as to say, Okay, that's one person's opinion. 311 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: It doesn't make it universally true. 312 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: And the only thing that I care about is unit 313 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: readiness when the moment comes to kill the enemy? 314 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: Are we prepared? Are we ready? Can we do it? 315 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 2: Are they trained? Are they focused the end? 316 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I can't imagine anything else matters. 317 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: But to the left is progressive. There might be a dozen. 318 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: Things that matter. They're wrong and if that's. 319 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: The ideology that has infiltrated generals and admirals, well then 320 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: yes they have to go. 321 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: Yes Trump is smarter than them, and yes so is Pete. Hegseth. 322 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: People can tell me all they want and Hegseth wasn't qualified, 323 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: and Hegseth not this, and heseat not that. And it's 324 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: weird as a guy who's, you know, never a Fox employee, 325 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: but I spent plenty of time on the couch there 326 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: with Fox and Friends and Fox and Friends Weekend and 327 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: everything else. 328 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: Interviewed by Pete. 329 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 3: It's very weird to think. 330 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: Of, like I was talking to this dude and always 331 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: the Secretary of war. 332 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: It's kind of nutty. 333 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: It's got to be nuttier for the people who actually 334 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: work there, but he has proven himself to the task. 335 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: Some mistakes, sure, some hiccups, Well who hasn't. You're able 336 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: to engage a planning of the bombing of Fordeaux Natan's 337 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: in Isfahan, these Iranian nuclear facilities without a single leak 338 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: of bravissimo, and you're engaging a conversation that we ain't 339 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: the military of old, We're the military of purpose. That 340 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: is valuable. I'll applaud that every day of the week, 341 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: and all applaud Secretary of Hegsea for getting it done. 342 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: Back to his speech there in Northern Indiana that's taking 343 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: place at the Northeast Indiana Defense Summit just earlier today. 344 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 5: The idea is it's sort of the broken windows theory 345 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 5: of police. There'll be some people that say, well, why 346 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 5: would a secretary care about beards and pt standards? It's 347 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 5: the same thing, Well, why would a mayor of New 348 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 5: York care about squeegeemen or about broken windows. It's because 349 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 5: when you let the small things go, you create a 350 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 5: climate of criminality. But when you let the small things 351 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 5: go inside your formations, you just create a climate of 352 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 5: a lack of discipline where standards cannot be enforced. And 353 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 5: if you can't enforce them on the small things, it 354 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 5: gets far more difficult to enforce them on even more 355 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 5: meaningful things. 356 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: It's all general. 357 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I just it is what it is transforming 358 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: our military matters, and I'm glad that it's being done. 359 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. 360 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today. I think one of the 361 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: big problems we have is that we don't have a 362 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: good definition of terms. We hear about these things happening, 363 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: we see these things happening, but when we ask. 364 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: Ourselves what they mean. 365 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: If we take a look at the election of Mom 366 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: Donnie in New York, I'm supposed to be told that 367 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 1: the re reason that this communist got elected was because 368 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: of affordability. But I'm not so sure that's the case. 369 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: But neither here nor there, I'm not so sure we 370 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: understand what affordability actually means. And every time I hear 371 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, Kandas owns, Nick Fuentes and Grouper's, I'm assuming 372 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: half the people say, I don't know what a groper is, 373 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure if I take some kind of 374 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: salve or penicillin. 375 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: It will go away. 376 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: The terms, the words have meaning we got to know 377 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: what they are in order to be able to understand 378 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: what we're dealing with. 379 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you. 380 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: Noah Rothman joins me right now from National Review. That's 381 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: where you find his work National Review dot com. And 382 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: you have been on these subjects right talking about affordability 383 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: regarding them. I'm Donnie election and talking to me about 384 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: a fund. So I want to start with affordability first 385 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: because this is the buzzword, and President Trump has been 386 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: making the argument finally, in my view that you know, 387 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: the economy is better than people say, we're just not 388 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: talking about it enough. 389 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 2: I don't think everything is great, but he can make 390 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 2: some arguments. 391 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: So when you take a look at this affordability conversation, 392 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: how Zaron Mamdani ran, what his Republicans are now saying, 393 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: what do you take from them? 394 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 7: Well, I kind of share your skepticism that the affordability 395 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 7: argument is what won the election from Mamdana. He managed 396 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 7: their majority of the vote in New York City, in 397 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 7: which Democratic nominees for New York City may are typically romp. 398 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 7: But that said, I think it would be folly to ignore, 399 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 7: especially for Republicans conservatives to ignore the salience of the 400 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 7: affordability issue and the apparent popularity of his solutions to them, 401 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 7: which amount to top down government style entitlement programs, unfunded 402 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 7: liabilities that were already drowning in But I wrote about 403 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 7: this yesterday. There's some UGA polling, for example, that shows 404 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 7: majorities even two thirds of voters support things like rent 405 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 7: freezes and free child care whatever that means, and government 406 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 7: owned grocery stores and raising the minimum wage to thirty 407 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 7: dollars an hour, as though these will have no macroeconomic consequences. 408 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 7: The conservative argument, the Republican argument has typically been that 409 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 7: whenever you hear this sort of stuff from socialists, they're 410 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 7: arguing for more vociferous efforts to solve the problems they 411 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 7: created and using the same solutions that created the problems 412 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 7: in the first place. And what we're hearing, I don't 413 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 7: think what we're hearing counter your impression that what we're 414 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 7: hearing from Donald Trump is an especially adroit political argument 415 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 7: against the very salient fact that the cost of living 416 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 7: in the United States is too high, and it has 417 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 7: been growing over the course of Donald Trump's presidency. 418 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 6: His second term presidency. 419 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 7: We've seen upwards of three, four, five, six percent increases 420 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 7: in the cost of food, home and renters, insurance, apparel, bedding, furniture, 421 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 7: you name it. And the president's response to this is 422 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 7: to say, I don't want to hear about affordability, he 423 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 7: tells reporters, He tells Laura Ingram, you know, it's a 424 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 7: con job by Democrats. The notion that the cost of 425 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 7: living is too high. What he should be arguing and 426 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 7: what conservatives and Republicans have been arguing typically in the 427 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 7: pre Trump era, is that when cost of living increase 428 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 7: increases to an unsustainable level, it is exacerbated by efforts 429 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 7: to remove from the economy your money, taking your income 430 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 7: out of your pocket and shoveling it into really ineffective 431 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 7: and inefficient government programs that do not deliver the services 432 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 7: they're supposed to deliver, and limit the macroeconomic benefit that 433 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 7: we would have if you were allowed to patronize the 434 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 7: firms that you wanted to, not because they're the best connected, 435 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 7: but because they're the most efficient, effective, and maximize your happiness. 436 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 7: That process, in the aggregate is what we call free 437 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 7: market economics, and nobody talks about individual economic liberty anymore. 438 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 6: Nobody talks about your ability. 439 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 7: To navigate your own environment, to see the people in 440 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 7: services that you think are doing the best and signal 441 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 7: to the broader market. But because they're doing the best, 442 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 7: others in the competition in that space have to either 443 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 7: change what they're doing or fold. That process of creative 444 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 7: destruction is what generates economic growth and prosperity and wealth. 445 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 6: And it's the sort of thing. 446 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 7: That Republicans used to talk about with self confidence and suredness. 447 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 7: Because those principles are time tested and true. They no 448 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 7: longer do. But right now what they're offering is something 449 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 7: like socialism light. It's with socialism what I think. 450 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: Has happened here, And I don't mean in talking about 451 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: that often, not for a review. I'm going to take 452 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: a clumsy stab at this, but it has been in 453 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: my head for a while that the I don't think 454 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: you call it the woke right now. That's I think 455 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: it might be a different group of people. But they 456 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: see that conservatism under the Bill Crystals of the World 457 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: didn't work, and they have now extrapolated that out to 458 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: capitalism under the Bill Crystals of the World old didn't work, 459 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: and there has to be more done by government to 460 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: help people or engage protectionism, which is tariffs, etc. And 461 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: the very idea of free markets seems to be, well, 462 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: that's just that old school stuff that didn't work. 463 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: I am not a buyer in that. I'm not a 464 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: believer in this. 465 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: And there's this very interesting conversation going on regarding something 466 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro said that if a place is too expensive, 467 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: find a place that's less expensive. And you have others 468 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: saying this is exactly the problem, that is exactly the issue. 469 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: You're going to lose elections this way. I don't know 470 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: how you lose elections by saying you can't afford New York. 471 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: If you can't afford New. 472 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: York, so don't live in New York, which is something 473 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: every father has said to every son and every daughter, 474 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: usually more sons than daughters, because they let their daughters 475 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: do what they will. 476 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 7: Yeah, I suppose I have a little less sympathy for 477 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 7: the notion for the invocation. For example, Bill Crystal, a 478 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 7: writer who has absolutely no influence over the evolution of 479 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 7: economic policy on the planet Earth since the Lely Enlightenment. 480 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 7: And we're talking about Adam Smith, not Bill Crystal. So 481 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 7: I just find it to be completely erroneous to even 482 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 7: bring them up. Second, now, the notion here that that dynamism, 483 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 7: that agency, that your individual efforts to shape and change 484 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 7: your own reality are somehow untoward or suggesting that you 485 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 7: have that capacity to navigate your environment and change your circumstances, 486 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 7: even up to and to the point of picking up 487 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 7: roots and derascinating, is essential to the American ideal. This 488 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 7: is not something that is just new and unique. And 489 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 7: we've always had a protection as social covenant in which 490 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 7: you can be expected to spend generations on the same 491 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 7: plot of land. 492 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 3: You know. 493 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 7: That's that's like an old world ideal, and it's one 494 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 7: that is accompanied by stagnation. Why would we want to 495 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 7: import the social covenants of Europe to this place where 496 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 7: we have such economic dynamism, where we have individual liberty 497 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 7: and individual rights, and the notion that you yourself are 498 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 7: responsible for your lot in life and therefore have the 499 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 7: free an opportunity to shape. 500 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 6: And change it. 501 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 7: It's a romantic notion that the rest of the country 502 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 7: should shell out their taxpayer dollars so that you can 503 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 7: afford a certain lifestyle in a place that no longer 504 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 7: sustains it. But it's not going to change economic reality. 505 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 7: We can prop you up for a certain amount of time, 506 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 7: but an unsustainable proposition is an unsustainable proposition. It will 507 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 7: not be rendered sustainable merely because we throw money at it. 508 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 7: We're having the same debate Obamacare right now, in sort 509 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 7: of a microcosm. The Democrats are arguing that the subsidies 510 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 7: that they themselves sunset in order to meet the measure 511 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 7: of a medical emergency is somehow something that we have 512 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 7: to now accept in perpetuity, even though the costs that 513 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 7: they're trying to stop gap here are growing, growing, not shrinking, 514 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 7: and we will be continuab We'll just sign ourselves up 515 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 7: for continually trying to support this unsustainable evidence until edifice, 516 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 7: rather until it inevitably collapse, says rather, we should allow 517 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 7: the collapse. We should allow the creative destruction out from 518 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 7: which a better status quo can emerge. If something is 519 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 7: not going to work forever, we have better accept it 520 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 7: and shape it and change it now until the before 521 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 7: the consequence has become far worse than they would be today. 522 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: Talking to Noah Rothman of National Review dot Com of 523 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: Ecroy of freop was making this argument with me yesterday 524 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: that you can engage the subsidy conversation all you want, 525 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: but in the end, you have to change the fundamental 526 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: dynamics of Obamacare if you want anything to be better, 527 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: because it doesn't actually work. And I do agree that 528 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: President Trump has an argument about some prices coming down, right, 529 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: He could talk about gas prices coming down. He can 530 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: make that argument, but it's very hard to make the 531 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: conversation and the argument and Toto as some kind of 532 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: complete thing that everything has come down when it hasn't, 533 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: some of which could be attributed to Trump policies and 534 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: some of which are just remnants still of Biden policies. 535 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: But I'm going to put that to the side for 536 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: now because you have a part two conversation really as 537 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: a second story as it's been enveloping the political right. 538 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: And no, I do not believe there's a civil war. 539 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: There is no civil war in the political right at 540 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: all in my view. But this the gropers are losing, 541 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: and you've got the picture of Nick Fuentes right there. 542 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: This is playing on the fringes, except the people it's 543 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: playing on the fringes with have very large scale audiences. 544 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: And so to the extent that I am remiss to 545 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: bring it up because giving these people airtime is gross 546 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: in my tape, my view, in my take, it has 547 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: to be done because you have to understand what's happening. 548 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: So let's start from a baseline. Noah Rothman, what in 549 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: the world is a groper? And what possibly. 550 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 3: Is the argument here that they. 551 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: Are losing considering Flentes is now get in time with 552 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: Tucker and Tucker's getting a defense from Megan Kelly, etc. 553 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 7: So Groper's are the name that has been adopted by 554 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 7: fans of Nick Flentes who mimic his affect and share, 555 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 7: to one degree or another, his outlook, and Nick Flentes's 556 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 7: outlook is explicitly racist. He has described himself as a racist, 557 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 7: described himself as a Hitler fan said, you know, women 558 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 7: want to be raped, et cetera. So forth, he's a 559 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 7: provocateur and he strikes the most anti social position you 560 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 7: could possibly imagine, and that's very attractive to his fellow provocateurs, 561 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 7: some of whom are just purely nihilistic. To describe them 562 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 7: as conservative or Republican even is to attribute to the 563 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 7: mediological motives they don't have. They do have small audiences, 564 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 7: they have disproportionate influence in the halls of power, particularly 565 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 7: on the American right, and the American right has engaged 566 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 7: this influence after it was it became a scandalizing controversy 567 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 7: when Heritage President Kevin Roberts put out this video, a 568 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 7: really sordid video in my view. 569 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 6: Insisting that he was defending. 570 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 7: He would not defend or he would not dissociate his 571 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 7: institution from Tucker Carlson, with whom he has those very 572 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 7: deep and enduring bond, because that would be to intervene 573 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 7: in a conversation on the American right, and we would 574 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 7: direct all our fire on the American left. It was 575 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 7: self evidently false, if only because Tucker Carlson does not 576 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 7: engage in that same project. I don't remember the last 577 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 7: time he criticized the left at any length. His political 578 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 7: project is to co op the right and undermine its 579 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 7: institutions and shape and change the direction of its political 580 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 7: evolution in a far more paranoid and conspiratorial direction. That's 581 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 7: self evidently the case, and Kevin Roberts put his thumb 582 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 7: on the scale for that while saying he wasn't ignited 583 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 7: this conversation on the right that I think is entirely salutary, 584 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 7: totally healthy, and it actually puts in stark relief the 585 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 7: Democratic parties avoidance of this question when they were confronted 586 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 7: with violent anti Semites who tore at the emergency fencing 587 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 7: around the Democratic National Convention like a zombie horde. You know, 588 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 7: its members would say they have a point. The President 589 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 7: would say they had by Joe Biden, they have a point. 590 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 7: Tim Waltz would say, you know, or rather Kamala Harris 591 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 7: would say, they have exactly the right emotion when confronted 592 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 7: with the horrors that were witnessing in the Middle East, 593 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 7: and you know, et. 594 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 6: Cetera, so forth. 595 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 7: As late as Halloween in twenty twenty four, the Associated 596 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 7: Press said that the Kamala Harris campaign was trying to 597 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 7: integrate these individuals into their movement and validate their concerns 598 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 7: quote unquote, so that could harness their energy. There's an 599 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 7: element of that on the right that sees the passion 600 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 7: and verve with which the racist elements that are very 601 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 7: provocative and very inflammatory signal to them the illusion that 602 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 7: they're talking about a much broader spectrum of American American 603 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 7: voters and there could be political power there. So we 604 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 7: can't afford to alienate them. You alienate one. If you 605 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 7: throw anybody under the bus one Sister Soldier moment, you 606 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 7: can lose the whole coalition. And why I think that 607 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 7: this whole moment has been really healthy and revealing is 608 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 7: because we're all living in Plato's cave. We don't really 609 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 7: know how many gropers there are and how powerful and 610 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 7: influential they are until they're tested. 611 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 6: And when they're tested, and they have been tested. 612 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 7: We've seen them show a lot of leg they have 613 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 7: been on the back foot. Kevin Roberts is now, i think, 614 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 7: on his fourth apology for that video. He's been backtracking 615 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 7: ever since. Just About every Republican of stature who doesn't 616 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 7: ingratiate themselves to the fringes of American political thought has 617 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 7: come out against this movement. The Wall Street Journal, Ben Shapiro, 618 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 7: the newly revamped Washington Post opinion page, which is. 619 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 6: Far more conservative than it used to be. 620 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 7: You're seeing the institutions on the American right sort of 621 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 7: come out and have some spine, shows some self confidence, 622 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 7: and evince the conservative principles that have been not in 623 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 7: fashion on the American right for the better part of 624 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 7: a decade. I think that's pretty heartening. And it's only 625 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 7: because they've seen how little actual actual power that this 626 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 7: faction of the American right can bring to bear when 627 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 7: it's really tested. And I think that's going to be 628 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 7: helpful for everybody who wants to who wants some clarity 629 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 7: about just how powerful this group of malcontents are. 630 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 8: And does that mean the H one B visa thing 631 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 8: will not be a big priority for your administration, Because 632 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 8: if you want to raise wages for American workers, you 633 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 8: can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds 634 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 8: of eys. 635 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: And we also do have to bring in talent when. 636 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 8: We have plenty of talent, and we don't have talented people. 637 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 4: Now you don't have you don't have certain talents, and 638 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 4: you have to people have to learn. 639 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: Now President Trump going to be quoted out of context 640 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: on this regarding he's not saying Americans don't have talent. 641 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: He's saying that you need to be able to train 642 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: that talent. But if that is the excuse solely and 643 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: exclusively for never ending H one B visas and never 644 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: ending the idea of people from other countries engaging jobs here, 645 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: as if somehow we can't do it. That's a real problem. 646 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: And it's understandable why that hits so hard in certain 647 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: circles that my gosh, what is the president doing here? 648 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: I think it's when he says, well, we need to 649 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: allow these foreign students to come in because it's good 650 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: for our colleges. We don't want them to go under. 651 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't care if some colleges go under. What kind 652 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: of thing is this? The President took a big swing 653 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: here in this interview with Laura Ingram, and he missed, 654 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: and it's something that he has to deal with and 655 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: his team has to deal with, and they'd better get 656 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: on it. 657 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: This was not a miss you wanted. 658 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: It's not a miss that's necessary, and it doesn't even 659 00:35:59,040 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: fit his brand. 660 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk more about it. Find everything at tonycats 661 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: dot com tomorrow. 662 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: Everyone take care