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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. Although there are a number.

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Speaker 1: Of people who want to argue with me on social

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Speaker 1: We all saw and we all heard this video from

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Speaker 1: people like Senator Mark Kelly, Senator Lissi Slutkin of Michigan,

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Speaker 2: Speak directly to members of the military and the intelligence

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Speaker 2: Americans trust their military, with that trust is at risk.

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Speaker 2: This administration is pitting our uniform military and intelligence community

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Speaker 1: Right now, the threats to our constitution aren't just coming

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Speaker 1: from a broad from right here at home.

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Speaker 2: Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You

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Speaker 1: How else could that possibly be seen other than the

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Speaker 1: Democrats there and the Democratic Party writ large saying that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is giving illegal orders and you should refuse them.

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Kurt Schlichter joins me right now, town Hall Calumnist. He

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Speaker 1: is the author of the Kelly Turnbull series of books

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Speaker 1: available at Amazon dot com, the latest Panama read coming

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, and of course, a retired United

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Speaker 1: States Army a full colonel, and Kurt, I come to

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Speaker 1: you often on some of these military things, but usually

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Speaker 1: I have never bought into that argument. I don't need

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Speaker 1: else to take this as a usurpation of saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: What was your take when you first heard this?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's this in twose U thing where they do, Oh,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump without citing any actual illegal orders. You know,

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Speaker 2: All right? That that main work on the idiots who

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Speaker 2: don't like President Trump's policies. You got if you think

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Speaker 2: there's an illegal order named the Illegal Order. But I

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Speaker 2: gotta tell you if you're some dumb spec for Barracks

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Speaker 1: So let's break down a little bit of this first.

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Speaker 1: get into what the clear uh. Implication here is, well,

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Speaker 2: We know what they're saying. Let's get to that part too.

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Speaker 2: This has been a unique question, Kurt.

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Speaker 3: Oh but we're not, we're not trying it We're not

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Speaker 1: Talking to Kurt Schlickter of town Hall dot com. His

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Speaker 2: a little weasel comes down, Hey, kirk Nigga.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, get away from it, okay. So

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Speaker 1: that is the seedback because I was there. I was

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Speaker 1: smoking a cigar with Fingers Boloyn a host of other

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Speaker 1: like all the police presidences everywhere were like, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: It's freaking went. They said, it is retire such a

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Speaker 2: he he says so gross and he doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: a small part of the ashes because he's an inceell loser.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's how they do it. But that I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Democrats have their pride with problem with weird radicals too.

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Speaker 2: We just have a much smaller problem. I am concerned

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Speaker 2: no fighter wars to a ridiculous extent, which says, let's

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Speaker 2: abandon Israel, which is fighting our war against or civilization's enemies.

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Speaker 2: But a fight we've got to have. But you know,

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Speaker 2: there are ways to have a fight that's a constructive way.

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Speaker 2: And then there's Candace Owens saying Kurth more than her husband.

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Speaker 2: I don't have the test. No, I don't know. The

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Speaker 2: way you deal with things is like an adult, and

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Speaker 2: you tell the children shut up, don't don't be stupid,

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Speaker 2: and you work it out with people who it can

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Speaker 2: be worked out with. But I wrote a love letter

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Speaker 2: column to Susan Collins a few weeks ago. Wow, Susan

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Speaker 2: Collins and I agree on about seventy percent of things.

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Speaker 2: And I'm thrilled to have her as a Republican because

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Speaker 2: I'm never going to do better in me ever, And

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Speaker 2: she's there seventy percent of the time, doesn't pretend to

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Speaker 2: be anything else, doesn't tell me she's not a David Frenchwall,

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Speaker 2: you're not a conservative because you will vote for Kavala Harrons.

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Speaker 2: She just does your thing and does her job for constituents.

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Speaker 2: She's fine. I can work with people who don't agree

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Speaker 2: with me about everything. I can't work with my endmies.

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Speaker 1: Kurt Schlichter find his books at Amazon dot com the

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Speaker 1: Kelly Turnbull series of books Panama Read coming out in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: The columns at town hall dot com. Kurt always a

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Speaker 2: pleasure more to get to keep it here. This is

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today,