1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Question, Yes, is using someone's death to further a political 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: agenda any less gross than the people who are celebrating 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: someone's death. That's the question I want you to ponder. 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: It's kind of a Casey show. I'm rob Casey's here. 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: We'll get to that in just a second, but first 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: before we do that, we want to kind of get 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: everybody up to date. There were so many moving parts 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: over the weekend stuff that was coming out, and just 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: in case you haven't been paying attention, we wanted to 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: get you kind of up to date on where we 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: are in regards to the capture of the alleged assassin 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk. We've kind of learned about him and 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: you know some of the interesting, you know, details that 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: are that are really beginning to emerge. 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: M So you've got Tyler Robinson who's being reported that 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: he is not cooperating with the investigation. However, his roommate is. 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: So that is the alleged shooter. We will say his 18 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: name that one time. We will not say it again 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: the rest of our program today. We just wanted to 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: set up who we were talking about. So the allegations 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: that are coming out is that the shooter was in 22 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: a relationship with a transsexual or someone in the process 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: of transitions. You'll have to excuse me. I'm not as 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: familiar as I should be with the lingo and phraseology. 25 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: But this is a person who allegedly was in the 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: process of transitioning from a being a man to a woman, 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: or at least in their mind they believe they were 28 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: going from being a man to a woman. And these 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: two were allegedly involved in some sort of relationship. Now 30 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: what's not clear is did they just start out his 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: roommates and then it became a relationship or did they 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: enters a relationship, but they were sharing a residence together. 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: And what is also beginning to emerge is that this 34 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: partner to the shooter is fully cooperating with the authorities, 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: which I think was the New York Post and the 36 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: Daily Mail. We're reporting that the partner became aware of 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: the shearer's involvement from the authorities and from that moment 38 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: forward has fully cooperated. So it does sort of raise 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of interesting questions, which, look at all, it 40 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: will all come out eventually, But if the if the 41 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: partner wasn't on board with what was going on, did 42 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: this individual just act of their own volition and if 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: the partner, if indeed you believe the reports about the 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: full cooperation with authorities, and that the person was totally 45 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: surprised and very taken aback when they learned that the 46 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: shooter wasn't allegedly involved. What was this person doing it for? 47 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: What was it all about. 48 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 2: We're also learning that there were some conversations on social 49 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: media and are there more people involved with this? 50 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: Yeah? The reports coming as a discord is the app 51 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: that was allegedly used in which, according to again multiple outlets, 52 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: that the shooter once the once the pictures surfaced, the 53 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: shooter was in some sort of group chat and people 54 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: were saying, hey, that looks you know, jokingly right, never 55 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: thinking that it was actually him, that Hey, that person 56 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: really looks like you, and the and the alleged shooter 57 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: was actually playing along in the. 58 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: Same yeah, in the chat, et cetera. 59 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 1: So very interesting because I think the prevailing wisdom is, Hey, 60 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was assassinated because of especially when they found 61 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: out that this guy was allegedly in this relationship with 62 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: the transgender, that Hey was killed because of Charlie Kirk's 63 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: views on transgenderism. But it doesn't sound like from what 64 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: the authority has been able to piece together so far, 65 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: from this this transgender individual or the person the process 66 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: of transitioning, that they they wanted this or were urging 67 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: it to happen, or anything related to that. 68 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and now the FBI director Cash Mattel is going 69 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: to face a congressional hearing some scrutiny over his handling 70 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: of the investigation. 71 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: Well, and I guess my question would be, Okay, One, 72 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: the FBI had no role in securing the venue in 73 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: which Charlie Kirk was having this event, so we take 74 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: that out of the equation. But two, Yeah, he's going 75 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: to probably get some heat over basically insinuating they had 76 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: caught the person when they didn't. But they caught the 77 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: guy in a day and a half. I mean that's 78 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: pretty fast. Now. He was turned in by So it 79 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: wasn't like the FBI, you know, figured it out and 80 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: surrounded the house and you know, but it's so differ 81 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: than the help the Luigi guy, the guy the Luigia 82 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: MANGIONI wasn't that his name? Yeah, killed the Healthcare was 83 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: a United Healthcare CEO. They found him in a McDonald's 84 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: somebody at the McDonald's turn. That's usually how this wor 85 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: you get a picture out there, people see somebody look similar, 86 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: they get you know, the FBI center gets thousands of tips. 87 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: And in this case, people saw the stuff that sounds 88 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: like the partner was involved in you know, full cooperation, 89 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: and you know, in the modern era it I think 90 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: it would be very hard unless you're a total professional assassin, 91 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: hit man, whatever, to just blend back, like almost like 92 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: a Jackal type character for those you know, Bruce Willis 93 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: thirty years ago now played a character called the Jackal, 94 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: which was based on loosely on a real guy who 95 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: was a highly trained international assassin. Unless you're that type 96 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: of person, how long are you actually going to be 97 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: able to hide? Yeah, in plain sight? 98 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: Right, that's the thing. The plan to get away or 99 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: has to be thought of. 100 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: So before we get to this question about if you're 101 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: using Charlie Kirk's death to further a political agenda, are 102 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: you as bad as the people that are celebrating the 103 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: death itself. You have some audio for us. 104 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of goes along with the answer because 105 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: you asked that question, and ask it one more time. 106 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: If you are a person who is using Charlie Kirk's 107 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: death the further a political agenda. Are you as bad 108 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: as the people are celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. 109 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: I think Kirk's death it's really become a rallying cry 110 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: for election redistricting and also broader political hardening on the right. 111 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: So do do you have some audio that you want 112 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: to play before we get to this conversation. 113 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is Stephen Miller and he's talking about 114 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: the last message that Charlie Kirk gave him. 115 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So Steven Miller is a leading advisor to Donald Trump. 116 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: He's the deputy chief of staff at the White House. 117 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: And he says, this is what Charlie told him. 118 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: And let me tell you something I'm not share with anybody, 119 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: But the last message that Charlie Kirk gave to me 120 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: before he joined his creator in heaven was he said 121 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: that we have to dismantle and take on the radical 122 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 3: left organizations in this country that are fomenting violence. 123 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: That was the last message. 124 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: That he sent me before that assassin stole him from 125 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: all of us. 126 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so why don't we let's take a break because 127 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: I want to read you what Jim Banks, senator from 128 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: the state of Indiana, said over the weekend he had 129 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: this big event, and there's very few things that I 130 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: see anymore because I know what these people are and 131 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: i know how they operate, and I've been around long 132 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: and there it's like there's very few things that I'm 133 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: actually taken aback by. But Jim Banks said something over 134 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: the weekend that I've found to be so ridiculously offensive, 135 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: and so it sparks the question, if you are using 136 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk's death the further political agenda, are you as 137 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: bad as the people who are celebrating it. 138 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: It's Kennel and Casey, It's ninety three WIBC. 139 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: Okay, So if we're going to condemn, which we should, 140 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 4: the celebration of some one's death on the left, then 141 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 4: don't we also have to reject it when that same 142 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 4: death is used solely to further a political agenda on 143 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 4: the right. 144 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: That's the question I have for Casey. Now it's Kenell, 145 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: Casey show and Rob. That's Casey. And the reason I'm 146 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: asking this is Jim Banks, who is a senator from 147 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: Indiana best known as voting for Kevin McCarthy fifteen times 148 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: when he was in the House of Representatives. He had 149 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: some big shindig in I think was in Indianapolis over 150 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: the weekend. There were a lot of It was the. 151 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: Who's your Leadership for America Summit. 152 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: And a lot of big people there. We were not invited, 153 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: Casey for some reason, our names were left off the 154 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: agenda list, and I'm both shocked and saddened by that. 155 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: But Adam Wren from Politico also does a magazine called Importanville. 156 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: Adam Wren best known as the guy who once referred 157 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: to me as the most powerful broadcaster in the state 158 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: of Indiana. So a guy operating with great judgment said 159 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: this quote, they killed Charlie Kirk. The least we can 160 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: do is go through a legal process and redistrict Indiana 161 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: into a nine zero map. First of all, who are 162 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: they and what does that have to do with rigging 163 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: Indiana's electoral maps for purely political purposes, which Andrew Ireland 164 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: State rep admitted on our show. The governor has admitted 165 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: on Hammer and Nigel, there's nothing wrong with our maps. 166 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: They're very fair. 167 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 5: They are represent representative statistically basically of the electoral system 168 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 5: of anything. 169 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: They're already in favor of the Republicans. They're they're doing 170 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: this for solely political purposes. What the hell does Charlie 171 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: Kirk's death have to do with further rigging the maps 172 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: in favor of a political party and why is that 173 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: an acceptable way to govern? 174 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So, as we played for you last segment, Stephen 175 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: Miller was saying that the last message Charlie Kirk gave 176 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: to him was to dismantle the organizations that are fomenting violence. 177 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: So to me, it's a rally cry. It's something they 178 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: can do as kind of like his final wish. Because 179 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: we do know that Charlie Kirk was very much pro 180 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: redistricting of Indiana. 181 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: And that's fine, but who First of all, who are they? 182 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: Because I'm against redistricting. Who are they? And how do 183 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: these two things come together? Because I'm vehemently against redistricting 184 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: because I know what's going to happen with redistricting. They're 185 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: going to rig these maps to where they get two 186 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: more Jefferson Shreve, Jennifer Ruth Green type people in these positions. 187 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: Look at the. 188 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 5: Makeup of the seven Republicans that represent us in the 189 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 5: state of Indiana and take an average of that So 190 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 5: it's Office Hopper, Aaron Houchin, it's Rudy Yackham, it's messmer It, 191 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 5: it's the new, new and less improved Marlin Stutsman. 192 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: You know, uh, baird All, just take a composite of 193 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: these seven people, put them on an average, and that's 194 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: who your Rep's going to be. And that means the 195 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: establishment is not going to let this slip away. They're 196 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: not going to let somebody that can't control get in there. 197 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: So if you rig these maps, you're going to get 198 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: two more Shrieve Ruth Green, Jennifer Ruth Green type people. 199 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: I fail to understand one how that benefits me or 200 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: any of us to have those types of people running 201 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: our running our government, running our society. How that's going 202 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: to make your life any better. But it feels really 203 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: slimy to me that if we're going to criticize, which 204 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: we should, and we're going to call out which we should. 205 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: People on the left celebrating Charlie Kirk's death and by 206 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: the way, I got no sympathy for the for these 207 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: people getting their employers called or anything else. We always 208 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: say society should police itself, the government shouldn't have any 209 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: involvement in it. But if you're going to speak out 210 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: on social media and you're in some position of promt 211 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: and you better get ready because that's that's they did 212 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: it to Rush Limbaugh, you know, et cetera. So you 213 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: should be ready for it on your side of the aisle. 214 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: No s empathy there, but you. 215 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 5: Cannot govern based on the whims or wishes of one guy. 216 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: We've had all these people admit this is a purely 217 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: political act. And the idea that if we're going to 218 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: call out people are celebrating this, if we're going to 219 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: call out people who are taking glee in the guy's death, 220 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: then somebody who's using his death the further your own 221 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: political agenda, that seems equally as gross to me. 222 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, his death has become a rally cry not only 223 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: for election redistricting, but for also, you know, the toughening 224 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: up on the right. For years, Republicans have been somewhat 225 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: vilified for not fighting back against the left. So now 226 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: that they are, you don't like that either. 227 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't give me this. Well, we're honoring Charlie 228 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: Kirk now. Giving him the Presidential Medal of Freedom is 229 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: honoring him. This is using him to better yourself. This 230 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: is using him his death to better your desired political outcome. 231 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: Who are they? Jim Banks? That's what I want to know, 232 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: because I didn't have anything to do with this, and 233 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: I had vehement disagreements with Charlie Kirk about bullying our 234 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: lawmakers and trying to threaten them. Oh I'm going to 235 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: primary you. But I certainly didn't have anything to do 236 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: with this. So who's they? Who are the they? Because 237 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: right now we know one guy, We know one guy 238 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: who killed Charlie Kirk, and at least from what we 239 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: know so far, it doesn't appear redistricting had anything to 240 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: do with it. It did appear some outrage from this 241 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: guy over redistricting. Now maybe that'll come out later, but 242 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: it appears your vested interest now is to get the 243 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: desired electoral zone. And I failed to see how these 244 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: two things correlate to each other. 245 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: So Kirk, before his death, he warned GOP legislators that 246 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: Turning Point USA would back primary challengers if they didn't 247 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: support redistricting. Is that still in place? Will that still happen? 248 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: Now? 249 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 2: There has been some resistance, for example, Representative Becky Cash 250 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: and others. They say they're hesitant. They warn voters may 251 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: not be there for a special session, and as of 252 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: right now, Houston and Bray haven't taken any sort of 253 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: formal vote or have said that they're going to have 254 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: a special session. 255 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 5: I mean, doesn't it. 256 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: Feel very usy? I mean, that's the word I keep 257 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: coming back to. It feels very usy when you're invoking 258 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: this guy's tragic, horrible death for a purely political operation, 259 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: which is exactly what Andrew Ireland, to his credit, State 260 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: Representive Andrew Island came on or shown admitted the elections 261 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: are fine. There's nothing wrong with our elections. They're very fair. 262 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: They are they're already tilted in representation of the Republicans, 263 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: and we and this was obviously pre Charlie Kirk's death, 264 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: but we're doing this for political purpose, or he wants 265 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: them to do this for political purpose. Braun said the 266 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: same thing he's mad about Massachusetts. You cannot govern based 267 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: on the desires of one person, because you represent the 268 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: entire state. You represent Democrats, you represent Republicans, you represent independence, 269 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of people like I know this. This 270 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: pains people to hear, but many people before his death 271 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: either didn't know who Charlie Kirk was, I mean, we 272 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: do obviously, because we're in this orbit. Anybody who was 273 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: involved in politics knew who the who he was. But 274 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: the average person either probably didn't know who he was, 275 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: or if they did, they had just a very cursory knowledge. 276 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: You can't govern to disenfranchise those people based on the 277 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: fact of, well, this one person tragically passed away. The 278 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: person that is just that is insanity in terms of 279 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: how you're trying to run a society. And so it 280 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: really really bothers me that he's invoking this guy's death 281 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: as a reason to rig the electoral system. 282 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so Donald's and this was during an NBC interview. 283 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: He said he hopes the nation will heal, but then 284 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: he went on to blame the radical left for unrest 285 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: now in regards to redistricting. Guess who's coming. Guess who's 286 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: coming to town. 287 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: Oh here the Greater Citilnania Era. Oh who is it? 288 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: Pete Budha Judge. 289 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: Oh wow. Nothing will fire up the masses like Pete Budaget. 290 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: He's going to return to Indiana this week to rally 291 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: against geop redistricting at the state House. And this is 292 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: what he had to say, Kevin, it's number two. 293 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 6: We're not getting the leadership that we need to bring 294 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 6: this country together from the White House. And in order 295 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 6: to turn the tide of political violence, yes, we have 296 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 6: to reject those who commit political violence. Yes we have 297 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 6: to reject those who celebrate or promote political violence. But 298 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 6: also in order to deprive political violence of its power, 299 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 6: we have to reject anyone who would try to exploit 300 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 6: political violence. The response to this cannot be for the 301 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 6: government to crack down on individuals or groups not because 302 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 6: of violence, but because they challenge the government politically. We 303 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 6: need to have free and open political debate and a 304 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 6: healthy political process in this country. And by the way, 305 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 6: just like an overwhelming majority of Americans reject violence, an 306 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 6: overwhelming majority of Americans, left right and center believe that 307 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 6: the government should not be cracking down on its political 308 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 6: opponents because they are political opponents. Not in the United 309 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 6: States of America, not ever. 310 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So this is the question that I will continue 311 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: to ask any person who is all in on this 312 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: redistricting and now believes that we should utilize the death 313 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk to promote the agenda. The Republicans control 314 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: everything in Washington, DC right now, the House, the Senate, 315 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: the Presidency, the Supreme Court. They have it all if 316 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: you're unhappy with the position of your life. And by 317 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: the way they had it in the four years pre 318 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: Biden too right. And by the way, they also had 319 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: a big portion of the government the final two years 320 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: of Biden, which was the House of Representatives, which means 321 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: they controlled the money, which means nothing could have happened 322 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: without Republican consent. So basically, of the past nine years, 323 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: seven of them, the Republicans have had some major control 324 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: over the federal government. If you were unhappy with the 325 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: condition of things, you need to start looking at the 326 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: Republican Party. I get that's uncomfortable. I get that doesn't 327 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: make us feel good because it's easier just to pick 328 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: an enemy, so that way we don't have to own 329 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: what's going on in our own camp. But you need 330 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: to start looking at the Republicans, and you need to 331 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: ask yourself, if they've blown it time after time after 332 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: time after time, if they've lied to you time after 333 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: time after time after time, if they haven't followed through 334 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: time after time after time after time, what does give 335 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: them two more seats in Congress? When you know it's 336 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: going to be Jennifer Ruth Green, Jefferson Shreve type people. 337 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: Are you willing to sell yourself out for that? 338 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 5: How many times do these people have to screw you 339 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 5: before you say you're done no more? How much are 340 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 5: you going to continue to buy into this stuff which 341 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 5: is designed to get you ginned up, to make you 342 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 5: think that what is happening in front of you is 343 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 5: not what's actually happening, that it's never their fault, they're 344 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 5: never accountable. How much do you have to give them 345 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 5: before you finally say enough, I'm done with your games. 346 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: You're listening to Kettle and Casey. It is ninety three WIBC. 347 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got we've got some big stuff coming 348 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: up this week. I want to tell you about a 349 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: little bit of it. Here for just a second. It's 350 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: Kenll and Casey Show and Rob. That's Casey. We have 351 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: something potentially massive coming up Thursday. We hope to be 352 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: able to tell you about that tomorrow. But tomorrow we're 353 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: gonna have a fun little back and forth thunderdo So. 354 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: Friends of our show, Jacob Stewart and James Briggs, who 355 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: are columnists at The Indie Star, they are at odds 356 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: on this proposed data center in Franklin Township. They've both 357 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: written lengthy pieces about this big Google data center that 358 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: has been just I mean, it's sparked so much emotion 359 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and it appears the city county councils on 360 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: the verge of spurning the mayor and voting this thing down. 361 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: September twenty second is the is the date, right? And 362 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: these two guys who worked for the same company. 363 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 2: Right, both writers at the Indie Star, have differing opinions. 364 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought their pieces are very interesting, and 365 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: we were talking to our meeting last week about, Hey, 366 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't be interesting to have these two guys on and 367 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: for once we're just the refs right exactly. And I 368 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: thought'd be interesting because they both live in Indianapolis to 369 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: see these to see these two people go at, not 370 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: go at, but I mean, you have a spirited back 371 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: and forth on these data centers. And they both agreed 372 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: to come in and do that. So we're going to 373 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: have that tomorrow for you as part of the program. 374 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 6: Yeah. 375 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: They both wrote opinion pieces on different sides, and James 376 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: Briggs is why Indianapolis can't afford to reject Google's one 377 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: billion dollar data center, and it's kind of prophetic, he 378 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: says in his opening line of the opinion piece, Indianapolis's 379 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: fight over a Google data center feels like an epic showdown. Well, 380 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 2: epic showdown is what we shall have. 381 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: So that'll be coming up, and we hope tomorrow to 382 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: have a pretty big announcement for you. But and so 383 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: we'll get to that. I didn't want to say one 384 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: one thing, and then we got stuff that I think 385 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: is super interesting about Trump and the pharma ads because 386 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: that really could affect people. One of the things about 387 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: this show, and Casey and I do this willingly. We 388 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: believe you're mature enough to hear things you're not gonna 389 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: hear everywhere else. And we believe you're mature enough to 390 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: handle things you don't necessarily agree with, because we think 391 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: you can think it through. And ultimately, you may never 392 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: agree with what we have to say. You may someday 393 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: come around to it. You may agree with that in 394 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: the moment. But our show is different from everybody else 395 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: because we handle things in a manner that we do 396 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: and take on the things we take on because we 397 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: believe in you and here, here is what I would 398 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: say about politicians. They don't care about you. They don't 399 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: care about your life, your well being, your betterment. They 400 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: care about themselves in their own power. And how many times, 401 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: just in a post nine to eleven world, have we 402 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: seen the politicians utilize tragedy to their own benefit. Heck, 403 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: we invaded a country over that casey that had nothing 404 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: to do with nine to eleven, and we were told 405 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: at the time if you questioned it, you were anti American. 406 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: If you raised your hand. 407 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 6: And said, I don't think so. 408 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: Now I'm saying had much to do with nine to eleven, 409 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: Why do you hate America? People got canceled, entertainers got 410 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: canceled for questioning the validity or the wiseness of the 411 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: war in Iraq, which was ultimately proven to be a 412 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: complete boondoggle. And we later found out that there were 413 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: no weapons of mass destruction and that all that stuff 414 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: was totally manipulated. So if they would do it on 415 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: something like that, why would you think they would hesitate 416 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: to use any tragedy or act of violence to their 417 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: own political benefit. And in the moment, when things are raw, 418 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: it's easy to just judge things on emotion, right, I 419 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: loved this person or they meant this to me, and 420 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: so I demand justice, and I can't get actual justice. 421 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: So this is the closest thing I can get. And 422 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: that's that's human instinct for a lot of people. But 423 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: our job here, whether it's in times of happiness or sadness, tragedy, whatever, 424 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: is to be the same people that we've always been, 425 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: to present our show and make you think the same 426 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: way we have always made you think, and that means 427 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: telling you the truth. And so some people are mad 428 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: at us today because we've questioned the wiseness of redistricting. 429 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: We've questioned, we've called out people who appear to be 430 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: using Charlie Kirk's death to better a political agenda or 431 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: further a political agenda. And that's okay. You can be 432 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: mad at us, But one thing, if you're honest with yourself, 433 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: we are nine to noon. We never change, and we 434 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: are simply telling you what we have seen throughout the 435 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: course of the history of this country, the recent history 436 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 1: of this country. And you shouldn't think that if they 437 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: would do it on all this other stuff, they wouldn't 438 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: do it here. 439 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: You have to ask yourself, is it exploitation or is 440 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: it honoring his legacy because I think people will see 441 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: it differently. 442 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: Well, I know, and I think it's I think the people, 443 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: the rank and file, I think the subordinates, for lack 444 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: of a better term, of this country want to honor 445 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: the guy's legacy. What I'm telling you is the politicians. 446 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: Much of it is rooted in pushing a political agenda. 447 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: And I don't know how many times you have to 448 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: see them and their willingness to do that before you 449 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: realize they do it with everything. There's nothing that happens 450 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: in this country that the first instinct, the first instinct 451 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: of these people is how can it benefit me or 452 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: my agenda or my career. And so despite seeing it 453 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: over and over and over again, if you want to 454 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: be mad at us for pointing out to you that 455 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: that's happened and it's happening here again, then that's okay. 456 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: But two or three years from now, I'm going to 457 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: remind you if they go forward with this route, with 458 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: this redistricting, and you get two more Shrieve Jennifer Ruth 459 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: Green people in there, and your life doesn't get any better, 460 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna remind you about this because that's our job 461 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: is to be consistent. Not what's easy, but be consistent 462 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: and keep you thinking. And we just think that the 463 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: majority of you can absolutely handle that and are capable 464 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: even if you disagree with us. I'm still having that conversation. 465 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, he signed an executive order and this was 466 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: aimed at increasing transparency and accuracy and do direct to 467 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: consumer drug advertising. So this is for mostly television stations. 468 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: The order, it doesn't ban TV drug ads outright, but 469 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: what it does do it requires greater disclosure of the 470 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: side effects. 471 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: So the Trump wants to do this right. So this 472 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: is the same guy that fast tracked the COVID shot. 473 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: Right now, he wants you to have all the information. 474 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: He used our money, trillions of taxpayer dollars to fast 475 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: track the COVID shot. Now he's very concerned about making 476 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: sure you know all of the risks inside of and 477 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: by the way, he still won't come clean to this 478 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: day on the risks and side effects of the COVID 479 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: chat and'll still tell you what a miracle it is 480 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to believe. Now, he's very concerned about the 481 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: risks and effects of drugs and vaccines, etc. 482 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 2: So the administration. They sent some C and d ceas 483 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: and desist letters to some major drug companies. They cited 484 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: egregious violations in their ad content. Now, let's keep this 485 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: in mind. TV networks they earned an estimated five billion 486 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 2: dollars from pharma ads last year. Many media companies they're 487 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: heavily reliant on drug ads. I mean, if you watch 488 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 2: any sort of TV, you know every other commercial and. 489 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: Most of them are side at drugs anyway, Aren't they 490 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: like what side effects? I mean, it seems like a 491 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: prescription ad. Half the ad is the guy reading quickly 492 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the ad what the side effects. 493 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 2: Are, right, And when you hear all the side effects, 494 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 2: you think, wow, maybe the initial illness is easier than 495 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 2: the side effect. 496 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 5: Well, and isn't. 497 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: And this is what's fascinating to me. Isn't your job 498 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: as a free thinker, if you see an ad for 499 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: something you know they would say ask your doctor about. 500 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: Isn't that your job to then say, Hey, I saw 501 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: this ad on TV. You know I've got just making 502 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: something up here arthritis, right, and this the you know, 503 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: claims it'd be great for it. Can you tell me 504 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: more about this drug? And then isn't it than your 505 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: job as the consumer to ask your trained medical professional, Hey, 506 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: what are the risks of taking this drug? 507 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 2: Have you ever gone into a doctor's appointment and asked 508 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 2: about a medication because you saw a commercial for it? 509 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: Never? But knock on wood, I've thankfully been a relatively 510 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: healthy person, much to the dismay of many, and I 511 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: just have I'm not, again, knock on wood, and very 512 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: blessed by the Lord above to have been a healthy 513 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: person through the first forty years of my life that 514 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: I haven't really had the need to do that. Now 515 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm entering a phase where who knows, maybe you know, 516 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: you're starting to get the more creaks or cracks or whatever. 517 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: But no, I have never actually asked a doctor to, 518 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, tell me about that ad I saw television. 519 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: Because I if you I'm trusting a medical professional, They're 520 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: going to recom it's available. Yeah, They're going to recommend 521 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: to me, you know, whatever they think is best, and 522 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: then I'll ask them questions. I have certainly asked questions 523 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: when I have been recommended to medication. 524 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: Certainly, Yeah, give me more details. What's this going to 525 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: do with right side effects? So impact on media and 526 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: advertising could destabilize media budgets, lead to some job losses 527 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 2: and ad production copywriters, directors, cinematographers. It makes me wonder 528 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: what will happen to local TV stations if their share 529 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: of the five million dollar budget is gone. 530 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it is. It is amazing how because we 531 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: saw this was the thing that Braun cut out. 532 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: There was something the advertising with the medicare, medic Medicaid, Medicaid, medicaid. 533 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: Yes it was Medicaid. Yes, yes, you're right. And there's 534 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: a big lawsuit with not not just us, I'm saying 535 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: like broadcasters across the state because of the way they 536 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: tried to enact the ban, The Indiana Broadcast Association I 537 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: think was involved in this, and it dramatically hurt revenues 538 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: of all or you know, TV radio, all these people 539 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: where these ads were running that are that are the 540 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: best my knowledge, still no longer in service. So yeah, 541 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: a major part of TV and radio is now Yeah, 542 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: TV and radio and podcasting are these drug manufacturers. 543 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: So the drug ads they have to balance being entertaining 544 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 2: with some complex medical information. And some critics are saying 545 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 2: that this just results in an oversimplified message and what 546 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: the administration says they want the goal is informed patients, 547 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 2: not fewer ads. But does that mean the ad will 548 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: get longer and longer? 549 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: Trying to well, But again, I just refused to believe 550 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: that a guy that fast tracked the COVID shot and 551 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: to this day won't own up to all the damage 552 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: it did. Casey, would you like to tell you it 553 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: tell us about your family and the COVID shot. 554 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: We've done that before many times. 555 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I just I find it hard to believe 556 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: that he's very invested in getting all the info out there. 557 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: But anyway, Hammer's going to join us next. 558 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: It's Kendilly Casey. On ninety three WIBC. 559 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: That Colt's money line was free money the entire way. 560 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 5: I lied bet the Colts when they were down and 561 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 5: it paid off for me a rare when this week 562 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 5: get for me. 563 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: Jason Hammer from The Hammer and Nigel Show. Hello, Okay, 564 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: So that guy who gave the game to the Colts, 565 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: I mean he had to probably walk back to Denver, right, 566 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: you know what? 567 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 5: As we always say, Rob Water finds its level. Denver 568 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 5: got so many calls earlier. They had a cheap touchdown 569 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 5: given to them by three straight pass interference calls. One 570 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 5: was legit, but the other two, especially the first one, 571 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 5: were ridiculous. That would have either been a field goal 572 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 5: or a punt, right, so you get Denver a touchdown. 573 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna cry any tears over a leverage penalty 574 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 5: on the final play. 575 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, but it's a sixty whatever your yard 576 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: field goal unless it's the Cowboys kicker. The idea that 577 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: guy's gonna hit that is slim anyway. Don't you tell 578 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: everybody just stand there, just stand there and wave your arms, 579 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: don't do anything, don't do anything stupid. 580 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 5: But some of these people can't help themselves. But listen, 581 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 5: you're right. 582 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: That was horrible. Clock management was awful at the end 583 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: of that game, and. 584 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 5: Stichen is awful lucky about that penalty because that was 585 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 5: atrocious and I couldn't believe it. 586 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: I was listening to. 587 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 5: Postgame show on my way home and they had the 588 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 5: press conference of Stichen. Rare sign of journalism from the 589 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 5: indie media. The first two people were grilling Stichen after 590 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 5: that game. 591 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you couldn't see it, obviously you were 592 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: at the game, but they kept showing the kickers like 593 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: on the sidelines, like you see this, He's like, what 594 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: the hell are you people doing? You got to get 595 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: the ball down their closer like you could get like 596 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: they were like running the clock on us. It's a 597 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: thirty yard field go and he's like the look on 598 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: his face like what is going on here? Get throw 599 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: the ball. 600 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 5: You've got a good tight end, You've been moving the 601 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 5: ball all game long. You don't need thirty yards. You 602 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 5: need maybe an extra five or ten. Right, the kicker's 603 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 5: pretty good. But settling for a sixty yarder basically to 604 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 5: try to win the game was the dumbest thing I've 605 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 5: ever seen. But luckily Steiken got bailed out by that penalty. 606 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: Okay, so we've beat the Dolphins, who, next to the 607 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: Bears and the Saints, maybe the worst team in the league, 608 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: the most dysfunctional for sure. Okay, so we beat them, 609 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: and then we beat a quasi playoff team. You know, 610 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: it's like the barely get in type of or just 611 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: barely get out. 612 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 5: I think Denver's actually pretty good. That division is really good. 613 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 5: They're in the hardest division in football. The cult are 614 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 5: in the easiest, right. That AFC West is pretty strong, 615 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 5: Like Kansas City is zero and two. I think they're 616 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 5: gonna be okay, we'll see the Charger tonight Denver. We 617 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 5: think is pretty good normally defensively. 618 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: They're real strong. 619 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 5: But the Colts they put it autumn yesterday. 620 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: So that was my question. Are the Colts good? 621 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 5: I think they're good enough to win the AFC South, 622 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 5: but maybe get beatn that first playoff game, Like that's 623 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 5: kind of where the AFC South is, right, Whoever wins 624 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 5: that division, you're going to play at four o'clock on 625 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 5: Saturday at home and probably get sent packing. 626 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: So one of the little side hustles. We all have 627 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: side hustles in this business, except for Casey, she's very rich. 628 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: But the rest of us that have side hustles to 629 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: pay our bills because we chose the career of destitute 630 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: and being destitute. And radio is ibroadcast high school hit 631 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: stream high school sports, sporing events on the internet. And 632 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: one of the things I do is a weekly coaches 633 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: show with one of my coaches. I asked him this 634 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: the other day on the Coaches Show, How hard is 635 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: it to be a head coach, like you know, at 636 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: any level? I said, ten brain surgeon, one radio broadcaster, 637 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: How hard is that actual job? And he started laughing, 638 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: And so we got a conversation like, could you pull 639 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: a fan out of the stands and coach for a game, 640 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: and how would they do compared to the regular coach. 641 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that, and I'm not 642 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: saying this consistently. What I'm saying at the end of 643 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: that game, a fan could have managed the clock any 644 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: worse than Styking did. 645 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 5: So game day is something separate, right, because I've heard 646 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 5: our palll Dan Dockets talk about this. What you don't 647 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 5: see is all the crap behind the scenes, the scheduling, 648 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 5: making sure the buses are there, making sure all this 649 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 5: other stuff, your coordinators, scheduling the meetings, like all of 650 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 5: that crap, But just the clock management, Boy, that was 651 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 5: pretty bad. 652 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: By stiking there at the end. 653 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 5: I think there were some fans that could have done that. 654 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 5: But hey, two and O two and oh and now 655 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 5: they go on the road to Tennessee. It's a divisional game, 656 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 5: it's a road game, but I think it's winnable because 657 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 5: the Titans have a rookie quarterback, Danny Dimes. How about 658 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 5: this guy, Like, I'll be the first to admit I 659 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 5: apologize to Danny Dimes, he looks pretty good for now, 660 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 5: hasn't thrown a pick. Hey, what's coming up this afternoon? 661 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 5: So this afternoon, Guy Ralpher joins US. Monday Gun Day WWE, 662 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 5: Drew McIntyre scheduled to join US and Kevin Bowen will 663 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 5: recap that game. 664 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 2: Thank you Hammer. It is Kendall and Casey on ninety 665 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 2: three WYBC