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Speaker 1: We want to lower premiums for all Americans. Second, we're

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Speaker 1: Democrats pass through disastrous healthcare law in twenty ten, they

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Speaker 1: promised that if you like your plan, you can keep it.

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Speaker 1: They promised choice, they promised you low costs. Not a

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Speaker 1: single one of those promises were true, not one. In fact,

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Speaker 1: healthcare premiums have risen over sixty percent since the implementation

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Speaker 1: of the Affordable Care Act. And I ask you this,

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Speaker 1: profitability from the insurance companies are six hundred percent greater

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Speaker 1: since Obamacare. Has your income increased six hundred percent? Ask

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Speaker 1: yourself that I know mine hasn't.

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Speaker 2: That's Representative Lisa McLain, she's a congresswoman. They're out of Michigan.

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Speaker 2: And this was the House Republicans saying, listen, we've got

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Speaker 2: a plan for healthcare. And really it's about the idea

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Speaker 2: where the money goes. It's not a repeal of Obamacare.

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Speaker 2: It's not putting an end to the Affordable Care Act.

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Speaker 2: It's not actually the things that are necessary in order

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz. Tony Katz today, great to be here, great

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Speaker 2: This is just changing how the money flows. That's what

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Speaker 2: we're discussing here, and that's what they want to get past.

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Speaker 3: It isn't I don't think it's going to the House.

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Speaker 2: Republicans proposed healthcare plan with no extension of the tax credits.

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Speaker 2: That's how the Guardian tells the story.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about.

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Speaker 2: No subsidies for Obamacare, which means that the price of

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Speaker 2: The problem is we were told that Obamacare, the Affordable

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Speaker 2: is just the way it has to be. So Obamacare

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Speaker 2: doesn't lower any costs. Barack Obama's a liar and a fraud.

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Speaker 2: You don't get better care. We now offer subsidies to

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Speaker 2: That's how the political left does math. That's how they

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Speaker 2: What I understand is a political reality, which is that

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Speaker 2: and yes, I'm willing to engage the fight on this.

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Speaker 2: But what I have said it is is I think

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Speaker 2: if Republicans are presented this option of extending Obamacare subsidies,

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Speaker 3: Trump was a populist, not a conservative.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it'll extend the tax credits, the subsidies for Obamacare.

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Speaker 2: Are we all silly? We knew exactly what was going

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Speaker 3: We mean three years, how about three months? Nope? How

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Speaker 3: The problem is they don't care if they lose.

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Speaker 2: It is very much a terroristic thought process.

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Speaker 2: We want to hurt the other guy more than we

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Speaker 3: They want to put.

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Speaker 2: The screws who are known as pharmacy benefit managers PBMs.

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Speaker 2: They can't do it. Haven't we proven they can't do it.

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Speaker 2: They told us if you like your doctor, keep your doctor.

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Speaker 3: They lied, They lied.

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Speaker 2: So the Republican proposal requires more data from pharmacy benefit

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Speaker 3: The nurse is now a slave to the state. I

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Speaker 2: How can anybody possibly be in favor of it if

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Speaker 3: Let's go over it again real quickly.

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Speaker 2: If health care is a right, as people like Bernie

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Speaker 3: We have to be aware of Islamophobia.

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Speaker 2: No, no, we have to stop Islamis from coming into

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Speaker 2: special kind of COMMI stupid. If you believe that healthcare

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Speaker 2: If I have the right to keeping bare arms, I

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Speaker 3: I woke up today with the cold. All the throat's

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Speaker 2: Now say I have to see a doctor and it's

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Speaker 3: A slave is a lie.

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Speaker 3: Because you're never going to get to see the doctor.

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Speaker 3: So therefore you have have to be on a list. Now.

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Speaker 2: If you know somebody important, your name's higher up on

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Speaker 2: In the Bernie Sanders of Costume Cortes progressive healthscape, that

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent, and those are much much smaller populations.

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Speaker 2: You gotta be honest about this stuff. They're smaller populations,

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Speaker 2: smaller land masses, different concepts and philosophies.

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Speaker 3: Me.

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Speaker 2: I like the open market, and I like having companies

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Speaker 2: that go out there and innovate and create. I like

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Speaker 2: being able to shop for a doctor that suits my needs,

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Speaker 2: not somebody who is just you know, written it to me?

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Speaker 3: And and what was it prescribed to me? What's the

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Speaker 3: word I'm looking for, a directed to me?

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is that a government does forced upon me,

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Speaker 2: even better by some government bureaucrat SCHMO who doesn't care

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Speaker 2: about my specific needs. I favor changes, and certainly I

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Speaker 2: have no problem with changing how the money flows. Instead

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Speaker 2: to make decisions that.

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Speaker 3: I have no problem with saying.

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Speaker 2: That, you know what, this Affordable Care Act doesn't work,

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Speaker 2: which is really what needs to be said. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: work and it needs to be broken. What Democrats are

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Speaker 2: hoping for is that Republicans will be too scared to

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Speaker 2: see insurance rates go up, even though they're not going up.

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Speaker 2: The subsidy that exists because of COVID is going away,

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Speaker 2: but Democrats, being frauds, are saying that the cost is

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Speaker 2: going up I would like to see it broken. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to see the expansion or the extension of

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Speaker 2: Obamacare subsidies. Let's try something different and see how it works.

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Speaker 2: I believe in markets. I always have because it's the

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Speaker 2: only thing that's actually ever worked. Is anything perfect, My gosh,

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Speaker 2: nothing is perfect. But I've seen what these fools think

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Speaker 2: that they can create out of whole cloth, as if

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Speaker 2: somehow they have been touched by the Lord with some

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Speaker 2: secret knowledge on how to do these things, and know

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Speaker 2: they can't do it. All they can do is create

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Speaker 2: a few elites and then everybody else suffers.

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Speaker 3: Which is what Obamacare did. End of list, Obamacare failed.

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Speaker 2: So what we really should be focused on is ripping

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Speaker 2: it out by the roots.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tony kats in a Namati