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Speaker 2: And if it feels special today, then there's nobody understands.

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Speaker 1: Great to be back in IMS.

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Speaker 3: Testing tires today for us, a short day, successful day,

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Speaker 3: played some good stuff and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's time for me to fly to Mexico now

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Speaker 3: We had four IndyCars on the IMS Oval today and

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Speaker 3: there is more tomorrow. You heard from Alex Plow and

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Speaker 3: clarity on the remaining open seats for IndyCar in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six. There's a wild rumor out there we'll speak

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Speaker 3: on Apple. Good news for IndyCar and Nascar. Hi, welcome,

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Speaker 3: It's trackside ninety three to five one oh seven five

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Speaker 3: the fan in Indianapolis for Tuesday, October twenty first, another

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Speaker 3: sixty plus degree just barely day in Indianapolis that saw

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Speaker 3: Kevin Lee, Kurk Caavin landon kons Is in our Indianapolis studio.

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Speaker 3: Will address some of your social media questions in the

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Speaker 3: had Kumasato, Alexander Rossi, alex Polo Poto Award today out

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Speaker 3: at the Indianapolis Motor speed I think Polo and Poto

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Speaker 3: intrepid reporter. First question is what was the purpose of

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Speaker 1: So it was multi dimensional. Hey, good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Nice to catch catch up on a you know, we

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Speaker 3: A little next news today, aj Foyd Racing is back

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Speaker 3: anything at all to it, they could simply say, oh,

436
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry this has been announced before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, we both think it's it's

438
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Speaker 1: north of fifty percent that it's Sting ray Rop. But

439
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Speaker 1: until it is.

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Speaker 3: Well the way north, yeah, I think he'll be in

441
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Speaker 3: the car. I think they are just allowing themselves some options.

442
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Speaker 3: If somebody comes in with big money and says we're

443
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Speaker 3: going to find a way to bring a different driver

444
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Speaker 3: in here, here's another way to look at it.

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Speaker 1: This is not.

446
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Speaker 3: Piling on Sting who I have said before when he

447
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 3: takes a lot of heat. No, he's very competent. He's

448
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Speaker 3: very competent. But when the team is where they're at

449
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Speaker 3: and they made a lot of changes last year, a

450
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Speaker 3: team doesn't want to say, well, we're the problem. It's easier.

451
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Speaker 3: Just like in any other sport, it's easier to change

452
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Speaker 3: the head coach, to change one person than it is

453
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Speaker 3: to change everyone else. So if you're trying to explain

454
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Speaker 3: why it's not going well, sometimes it's easier to look

455
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Speaker 3: to one person than it is to say, yeah, we

456
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Speaker 3: got to get a whole new.

457
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Speaker 1: Crew in here. Having said that, the driver and I

458
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Speaker 1: had to forget the example. I really kind of light

459
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Speaker 1: Bulb went off with me, you know, the other day

460
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Speaker 1: on a driver. But he was making the point that

461
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Speaker 1: a driver is so much more than just one person.

462
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Speaker 1: Though he's the coordinator, he's the quarterback, he's the one

463
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Speaker 1: the communicator with everybody. He's the thing that pulls everyone together.

464
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Speaker 1: So you know, I know, we know that, but it's

465
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Speaker 1: a big deal. The driver is a big deal, and

466
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Speaker 1: the driver has to sometimes this driver just has to

467
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Speaker 1: get you a little bit more than you're worth if

468
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Speaker 1: you will, you know, sometimes you just have to. You know,

469
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Speaker 1: we see that in football, the quarterback just makes up

470
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Speaker 1: for some other misgivings of the race team or the

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Speaker 1: football team. So you know, the driver's got to do that.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, Stingman and Rab was second and Indy Next,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't get to be second in Indy

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Speaker 1: Next with even though he had been there a couple

475
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Speaker 1: three seasons, I mean, obviously very experienced in that series.

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Speaker 1: You don't get there without having a great deal of talent.

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Speaker 1: And that's been part of my point defending him. You know,

478
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's been in the best circumstances, but

479
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Speaker 1: the teams and I'm not talking about this team in particular.

480
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying any team, any team.

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Speaker 3: That is outside the leader circle is going to start with, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, we must.

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Speaker 1: Be good to wall we're doing.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be the driver. We just need a

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Speaker 3: better driver. So let's see if we can get that done.

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Speaker 1: On the on the flight news, you know we were

487
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Speaker 1: here and maybe you'd said this and I heard it

488
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Speaker 1: elsewhere as well, but that they didn't have the full

489
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Speaker 1: package put together. That Kyle was good for several races

490
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Speaker 1: to start the season, So maybe they're just waiting and

491
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Speaker 1: get all the partners lined up. I've been told other

492
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Speaker 1: drivers can stop inquiring. Yeah, no, I think that's true.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think I think they're far enough

494
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Speaker 1: down the road now that that that's why other drivers

495
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Speaker 1: can can stop asking questions.

496
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Speaker 3: Lynn underscore IndyCar asked what's the latest with Prema?

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Speaker 1: Are they one and done? I noticed the.

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Speaker 3: Test last week the Andretti Global car had TWG branding

499
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Speaker 3: instead of Andretti. Is TWG IndyCar Group moving away from

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Speaker 3: the Andretti name. Might we see a return of Michael

501
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Speaker 3: Andretti in the series. Maybe Michael Andretti follows Lynn on

502
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Speaker 3: Twitter because Michael posted today on x Just to set

503
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Speaker 3: the record straight, I have no intention whatsoever to become

504
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Speaker 3: an owner of an IndyCar team. I will admit I

505
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: had not heard this. Apparently Marshall Prue had mentioned it

506
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Speaker 3: simply as a rumor. He just kind of laughed and said,

507
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Speaker 3: you know, someone said that there is something about Michael Lanretti.

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Speaker 1: And he wasn't reporting it.

509
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Speaker 3: He wasn't saying that he believed it, but he just said,

510
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Speaker 3: someone said that there is conversation about Michael Andretti and

511
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Speaker 3: or a group which would be more likely as someone

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Speaker 3: you know, with Michael fronting it, spending the money taking

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Speaker 3: over Prema, and you know, no idea whether it was

514
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Speaker 3: true or not. And then I heard a few other

515
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Speaker 3: people ask me about this in the last few days.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's because they heard Marshall Pruett

517
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Speaker 3: talking about it, or if there was anything to it.

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Speaker 3: Michael is trying to shut that down. My first thought

519
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: was that would surprise me, but you just never know.

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Speaker 3: One It would surprise me because Prema doesn't have a

521
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Speaker 3: charter and that's a bit of an issue, and they're

522
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Speaker 3: trying to find investment. They're trying to continue on but

523
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: that's a challenging cell because that equips some of that

524
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: equipment is obsolete, namely the cars in two years, and

525
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Speaker 3: the value of the charter is going up. So you

526
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Speaker 3: were not guaranteed of making races. So I don't know

527
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Speaker 3: what were your thoughts. How much would that shock you?

528
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Speaker 3: With Michael Andretti walked back in and said I'm back,

529
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Speaker 3: and I bought another team to compete against the team

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Speaker 3: with my name on it.

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Speaker 1: See here's the thing, here's what we don't know. We

532
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Speaker 1: don't really know what the exit plan was for Michael

533
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Speaker 1: and Andretti Global. You know, did they say, did Dan

534
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Speaker 1: Towers say we get the rights to your and ready

535
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Speaker 1: name for two years and now well that's coming to

536
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Speaker 1: an end two We don't really know what Michael's feelings

537
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Speaker 1: were relative to the change in ownership. Did he want that?

538
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Speaker 1: Did he like that? Was he irritated? Was it amicable?

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Speaker 1: We don't really know how that how they left that

540
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Speaker 1: and so And the other thing is that I know

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Speaker 1: your point about the cars being obsolete in two years

542
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Speaker 1: and the charter. I get all that, but I would

543
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Speaker 1: also say that that that's still an opportunity for somebody.

544
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Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna probably maybe not, but I could see an argument,

545
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Speaker 1: let's put it that way. I could, I could. I

546
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Speaker 1: could envision a situation where somebody would say, I'm going

547
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Speaker 1: to get that relatively affordably, and I can make that happen.

548
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Speaker 1: And maybe Michael is you know, bored and still wants

549
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Speaker 1: a challenge, and he's not that old. And but to

550
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Speaker 1: answer the question, what likelihood did I give that when

551
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: I first heard it? Five percent? Not much? Not much.

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Speaker 3: And you're right that even though the car becomes obsolete,

553
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Speaker 3: there has been conversation. I don't know where they're going

554
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: to end up with, but they'd like some of the

555
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: parts to be transferable. Yeah, from the current car to

556
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Speaker 3: the next. I don't know if they're going to be

557
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: able to get that done or not. And in reality,

558
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Speaker 3: in a ten million dollars per year budget, you know,

559
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Speaker 3: the race car is what's a car? Four hundred thousand

560
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: And your point is it's not significant. Yeah, it's not

561
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Speaker 3: half of that budget. So you've still got a lot

562
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Speaker 3: of other things. And a lot of that budget, by

563
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: the way, is people and operating costs and travel and

564
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: things like that. But and those cars will still have

565
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Speaker 3: value as show cars and maybe you can sell them

566
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Speaker 3: to collectors. You know, one of them, by the way,

567
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Speaker 3: won the poll for the D five hundred that Prema

568
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Speaker 3: has this year. You can sell them to vintage racers

569
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Speaker 3: because remember they're already vintage because they're whatever fifteen years old,

570
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: so they could start competing immediately in that sense. Yeah,

571
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: So we don't know the terms of the agreement. Would

572
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Speaker 3: he be allowed to come back? I put it very slim,

573
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Speaker 3: but we don't know a lot of things. I think

574
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Speaker 3: it's very plausible that this was an amicabal, amicable departure

575
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Speaker 3: and separation, and it's okay, you know, let's try something different,

576
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: and you're gonna pay me a lot of money to

577
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 3: go take some time off and not have to go

578
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: to the racetrack for the first time in forty five years. Okay,

579
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Speaker 3: I'm open to that. Maybe he is bored, maybe he

580
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: wants to come back. Maybe it's semantics, maybe he's not

581
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Speaker 3: going to own a team, or maybe all of this

582
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: came from other people saying, Michael, if you let us

583
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: use your name, it's not gonna cost you a dime.

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00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 3: We just want you to show up to the racetrack

585
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: every weekend and we're going to front it all and

586
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: we're going to pay you something in that.

587
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: Now.

588
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: If that's me, I'm going to listen to that. So

589
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: who knows, but you can never say never. He's still

590
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: a young man, I think, and has a long time.

591
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: His dad is still coming to the racetrack all the time.

592
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: So if he wants to get back involved at some

593
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 3: point after a bit of a respite, he can do this.

594
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Speaker 3: I don't know what's happening with Prema, but that is

595
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: one of the silly season questions as well. It's one

596
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Speaker 3: of the things that needs to be answered, not only

597
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: for the people to work there, including the drivers, but

598
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: the ND five hundred gets a lot trickier getting to

599
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Speaker 3: thirty three, or a lot easier if you're trying to

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Speaker 3: put a program together if they're not involved.

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Speaker 1: Last thing I would add, well, two things. One, the

602
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Speaker 1: Andretti's racing is what they do. It isn't. It isn't

603
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Speaker 1: just because they were good race car drivers. This is

604
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Speaker 1: their life and Michael's life, while fulfilling in many other respects,

605
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Speaker 1: this is what he does. Second thing is we talk

606
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Speaker 1: about all the prima things. As someone who owns a

607
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: small business, one of the most valuable things we have.

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Speaker 1: We're in year two and a half of a ten

609
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Speaker 1: year lease. So the lease that we have on the

610
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Speaker 1: building and the commitments that we've made are for ten years.

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Speaker 1: And if somebody wanted to buy us, I'm not offering

612
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Speaker 1: it for sale, but they have stability and that may be.

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Speaker 1: Those are other things, other considerations for someone like Michael

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Speaker 1: or for Prema.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yep, Okay, new Formula one TV deal we'll

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Speaker 3: discuss and the impact on IndyCar.

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Speaker 2: Next on trackside, this is Alex below and you're listening

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Speaker 2: to truck Site.

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Speaker 3: Okay, a few things to cover here in this segment

620
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Speaker 3: talk Driver silly season. Just want to mention a couple

621
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Speaker 3: of quick updates on engineers. I don't know if I

622
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Speaker 3: ever have mentioned this on the show. We had a

623
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Speaker 3: question about Gavin Ward last week. Still don't know if

624
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Speaker 3: he wants to go back, when he's able to come

625
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: back and so forth. I believe Olivier Boson is no

626
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: longer with Andretti, so that's a pretty key engineering free

627
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: agent available out there. And racer dot Com wrote a

628
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Speaker 3: few weeks ago that Eric Cowden has left ed Carpenter

629
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Speaker 3: Racing to.

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Speaker 1: Go to Aero.

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Speaker 3: McLaren and he has a long relationship with Tony Kanaan,

632
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Speaker 3: the engineer in his ninty five hundred winning car and

633
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Speaker 3: going way back in the day, and he will be

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Speaker 3: the director of engineering. So there is a lot of

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Speaker 3: depth at Aero McLaren. So we'll still wait and see

636
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Speaker 3: if anything else shakes down on the engineering front.

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Speaker 1: We talked about what was happening now. Actually, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to save this.

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Speaker 3: We'll save this for the following segment if I have time,

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Speaker 3: because I want to make sure we get to speak

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Speaker 3: on this new Formula one television deal is streaming and

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Speaker 3: streaming only. ESPN has been a part of the biggest

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Speaker 3: wave and popularity for forming the one in this country.

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Speaker 1: Is that fair to say? Ever? Oh yes, and the

645
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Speaker 1: ratings are higher. It was different back.

646
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Speaker 3: In the day, But the percentages and the attention that

647
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Speaker 3: Formula one is getting has never been this high, in

648
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Speaker 3: part because of ESPN, in part because of Drive to Survive,

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Speaker 3: and in part, if not the number one part, because

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Speaker 3: of a pandemic and no one could leave the house

651
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Speaker 3: and everyone ran out of things to watch, and they

652
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Speaker 3: went back and watched two year old editions of Drive

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Speaker 3: to Survive, and then ESPN out of necessity taking a

654
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Speaker 3: feed that was commercial free, had to go commercial free,

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Speaker 3: and they then became the only sport in America.

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Speaker 1: One of the few.

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Speaker 3: Maybe soccer sometimes is commercial free, it probably is that

658
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Speaker 3: was commercial free, and ESPN wasn't super keen on going

659
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Speaker 3: above seventy five million per year.

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Speaker 1: May not have even been willing to do that.

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Speaker 3: This is a reported five year, seven hundred and fifty

662
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Speaker 3: million dollar deal.

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Speaker 1: Or Apple.

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Speaker 3: They're going to have four or five races that are

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Speaker 3: cleared from a paywall, so apparently you're going to be

666
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Speaker 3: able to go to a link and watch these races,

667
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: which is smart to try to get people to experience it.

668
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: And apparently the practice sessions are also going to be

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Speaker 3: free from behind the paywall, with the hope that you

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Speaker 3: see a practice session, experience it, and decide that you

671
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Speaker 3: want to be a part of that. By the way,

672
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Speaker 3: broadcasters TBD, they're not doing their own broadcast, so it's

673
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Speaker 3: not going to be like diff Matching and Hobbs and

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Speaker 3: Buxton that NBC did.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be either.

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Speaker 3: The Sky people that you've been watching on ESPN or

677
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Speaker 3: Hinch in the Crew on f one TV. So that's

678
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Speaker 3: TBD they're banking on all of the Apple devices we

679
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: have and getting messages on our phone that that is

680
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Speaker 3: going to be the difference maker. It's not worked for

681
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Speaker 3: Baseball on Apple, it's not work for MLS. How is

682
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: it going to work for f one? And is this

683
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: good for IndyCar, Nascar, any IMSA, anyone else doing over

684
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Speaker 3: the air broadcasts in motorsports?

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Speaker 1: So I had this. I spoke to a college class

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Speaker 1: today at Franklin College and a student told me that

687
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Speaker 1: he was doing a paper on basically this. You know,

688
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: it was about the NBA and in the NBA, how

689
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: many different streaming platforms you had to have to watch,

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00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: you know, to watch and it was it was added up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was a lot of money, and he

692
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Speaker 1: was pushing back. I just think Apple will benefit because

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Speaker 1: they're going to just like Peacock when when we went

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Speaker 1: through this with Peacock and watched the IndyCar You know,

695
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: now Peacock is pretty well accepted, but it took how

696
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: long has that been five years since IndyCar Race has

697
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: started on Peacock. So Apple will get there, but it's

698
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: to be a challenge initially and there will be some pushback.

699
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: But I think this is good for Indy car. As

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Speaker 1: I told the class today, this is this is really

701
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: the only motorsport correct me. If I'm wrong with everything

702
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: that you want to watch race wise on broadcast TV.

703
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: Is there anything else in motorsports where it's all on broadcast.

704
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Speaker 3: I think you can go past broadcast. Yeah, I mean

705
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 3: it's motorsport. It's the only sport, correct that is fully

706
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: on broadcast because you have to have Amazon, you have

707
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: to have NFL Network, you have to have Peacock a

708
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: couple of times a year to CV. NFL Baseball has

709
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: division championship series on cable, if not actually league championship series,

710
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: some of those are on cable. The NBA, I think

711
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 3: some of the conference finals are going to be on

712
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: Amazon Prime. So we're not just talking regular season. We're

713
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Speaker 3: talking big playoff games that are going to be on streaming.

714
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Speaker 3: This is a grand experiment. The NBC is banking a

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Speaker 3: lot on people going to Peacock. They paid a load

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Speaker 3: for the NBA and a lot of the games.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it's underway tonight on NBC Network television

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00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: for the NBA.

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Speaker 3: This is why they did it on a Tuesday night,

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Speaker 3: not streaming on NBC but a lot of this programming

721
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: is going to be on peacock and are people going

722
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: to go to the Trouble when they can on Wednesday

723
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Speaker 3: night watch it on ESPN and on Sunday night after

724
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: football is over watch it on NBC. And they already

725
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 3: have Amazon Prime, and you know, YadA, YadA, YadA, what

726
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 3: is the limit for that. They're not going to see

727
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: one point two million anymore. Apple is not as prevalent

728
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Speaker 3: as Netflix and Amazon. NASCAR did better than we expected

729
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: on Amazon Prime. They had a great marketing push, they

730
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Speaker 3: had Dale Junior behind it. And I may be off

731
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Speaker 3: on this, but I feel like they were at sixty

732
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Speaker 3: or seventy percent of the audience, especially for the Koke

733
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Speaker 3: six hundred. Then it dwindled a little bit. I do

734
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Speaker 3: not think you will see sixty to seventy percent. I

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Speaker 3: think you're looking at I think you're looking at two

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think kind of a number

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Speaker 1: to start with. You know, I don't know what the

739
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: price I don't know what the price point is on

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Speaker 1: Apple TV and being able to watch that, Like, like

741
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Speaker 1: I said, the student today gave me a list of

742
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: all the ways you could or needed to watch all

743
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Speaker 1: of the NBA. No one's going to watch all of it.

744
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: But the point was it was going to be about

745
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Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars a year to do all those things.

746
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Speaker 1: And you know, I think there will be some conversion.

747
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: There will obviously be enough conversion that Apple thinks it's

748
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: worth it, and they know what their expected market reach is.

749
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Speaker 1: But it's it's going to take a big hit in

750
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Speaker 1: Formula one, you know, building an audience, I mean maintaining

751
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: an audience, growing the sport. But who knows. You know,

752
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to say it's a bad deal. I'm

753
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: not either.

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Speaker 3: These people are a lot smarter than I am, and

755
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: while they may have fewer eyeballs, they may have the

756
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: more desired eyeballs and it's all about monetizing it.

757
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Speaker 1: So and I hope they do. I hope they do

758
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: one experiment. I hope they do well. I think by

759
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: the way, they may have the question you are asking this,

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Speaker 1: will this be beneficial for IndyCar And I think the

761
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Speaker 1: answer is yes. Okay, we'll wrap up and see what

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Speaker 1: we missed next on track side, Hi, this is Poto

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Speaker 1: Award and you're listening to Truck Side.

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Speaker 3: Final segment and we've got a little more time than

765
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Speaker 3: I feared, so we can go to the Twitter xbox.

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Speaker 3: This is from last week from Stephen kill Stunk and

767
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: someone else mentioned this to me as well when I

768
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: mentioned that Mick Schumacher had a hat on with the logo,

769
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Speaker 3: so there may still be some budget behind him, and

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Speaker 3: Steven says the company on mix hat is the same

771
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Speaker 3: business which sponsored his dad's had from about two thousand onwards,

772
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 3: so maybe there's something that can help. I still think

773
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: bottom line on that is Ray Hall Letterman Landing is

774
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: hoping the enthusiasm around Mick Schumacher can lead their commercial

775
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 3: group to find some of the budget that would help

776
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Speaker 3: fund Mixed.

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Speaker 1: Schumacher.

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Speaker 3: He's got to decide if he wants to do it,

779
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: and then maybe part two is he decides or asks

780
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: those that support him, hey, can you help a little

781
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 3: bit or at least pay my salary? So this is

782
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Speaker 3: a better option for me than racing in the World

783
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Speaker 3: Endurance Championship or formulae if there are any seats there,

784
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Speaker 3: or whatever the case may be. The Purple Sector asks

785
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Speaker 3: do you ever think any carr would come to the

786
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Speaker 3: Charlotte Roval, Joseph Newgarden tested on the track a few

787
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Speaker 3: years ago and didn't hear a thing after that. Fans

788
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Speaker 3: in the Carolinas, Georgia would love to have a race

789
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Speaker 3: be great. It seems like that could be a good market.

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Speaker 3: I do not think that's very likely, though. I'm not

791
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: sure if that is really big enough commercially. If it

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00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: was a no brainer and the track said, yep, we're

793
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Speaker 3: giving you one point five million dollars in sanctioning fee,

794
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Speaker 3: and we're going to promote it, and we think we

795
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Speaker 3: can sell tickets it's going to be a good event,

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Speaker 3: then you'd probably go ahead and do it. But those

797
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: things are not always slammed dunks in a fifty one

798
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Speaker 3: second lap or whatever it is isn't great. It's probably

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Speaker 3: a little bit small, and I don't know that it'd

800
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Speaker 3: be a super exciting event. And they've already got road

801
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 3: course racing there on the Rovo as well. I would

802
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 3: say not say never, but it doesn't seem super likely.

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Speaker 3: I have not heard any conversation of that as well. Doug, No,

804
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 3: where not I see this question. I saw a question

805
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: somewhere come up today. Yes, Andrew Rowlinson asked, will Indy

806
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 3: Carr ever returned to Kansas, same kind of thing. I've

807
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: heard no conversation about that, but I think would like

808
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: to have another Oval. I'd love to have more ovals,

809
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 3: but I feel like they really want to have another Oval.

810
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: And probably best case scenario is there are no doubleheaders,

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00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: so another oval would still allow you to have a

812
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: pretty even split between road street and oval races. It

813
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: might take though Phoenix going well and both sides IndyCar

814
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: and NASCAR are saying we want to do this somewhere else.

815
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Speaker 3: I believe the Kansas Cup race next year is in

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Speaker 3: late April. That's where it could make sense for IndyCar. Now,

817
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: April is also really really crowded, so that's a little

818
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 3: bit challenging even if NASCAR did invite you in there.

819
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: But honestly, I think early May would be great for Kansas,

820
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: but it's not going to happen unless their Cup race

821
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Speaker 3: moves to a different time. The track is not going

822
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Speaker 3: to and it's not going to go well even if

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Speaker 3: you wanted to rent the track doing an IndyCar race

824
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Speaker 3: two weeks after there was a Cup race. So I

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00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: don't think it's super likely, but I would not rule

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Speaker 3: eat it out. Also, Doug Ivy twenty twenty five says

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Speaker 3: guessing now Collette may have more budget than able, referring

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Speaker 3: to how we all think that Kyle Collett's going to

829
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Speaker 3: be in the Foight car.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what budget Jacob Abel has. And it's

832
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: not just a price when teams are securing a driver

833
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: for a seat, you know, number one, as they find

834
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: the sponsor and they simply hire the driver, and after

835
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Speaker 3: that it's a sliding scale based on the talent level

836
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Speaker 3: and what they expect for results from a driver. And

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00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: here's where perception sometimes becomes a thing. So the perception

838
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: would be, you know, upside is always something that Kyle

839
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: Collette is better than Jacob Abel, But let's look at

840
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: it from a fact standpoint, and I don't know who's better,

841
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: but they both finished second in the Indy Decks Championship

842
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: with multiple wins. So I'm not sure that Jacob has

843
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: gotten a fair shake to show what he could do,

844
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: and I'd love to see him get another opportunity. But

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Speaker 3: my best guess is that the Foight team would probably

846
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: ask for a little bit more budget from him, But

847
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what budget they want to commit to. IndyCars,

848
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: so we shall see if there's any other option for Jacob.

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Speaker 1: We're out of time.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you again next Tuesday night, seven o'clock

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Speaker 3: on track side ninety three five one oh seven five

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Speaker 3: The Fan