1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Why from vall Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America, it's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. According to the Secretary of War Pete 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Hegseth or Secretary of Defense for those of you who 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: are touchy about these things, all options are on the. 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Table as far as President Trump and boots on the ground. 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: I don't understand why the base, which they have already 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: they understand, wouldn't have faith in his ability to execute 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: on this. Look at his crack record of pursuing peace 9 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: through strength america first outcomes and what he's simply saying 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 2: and is exactly true. And I've said from this podium too, 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:44,319 Speaker 2: We're not going to. 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: Foreclose any option. You can't fight. 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: And win a war if you tell your adversary what 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 3: you are. 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: Willing to do or what you are not willing to do, 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: to include boots on the ground. Our adversary right now 17 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: thinks there are fifteen different ways we could come at 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: them with boots on the ground, and guess what there are, 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: So if we needed to, we could execute those options 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: on behalf of the President of the United States and 21 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: this Department. 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 3: Or maybe we don't have to use them at all, Maybe. 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: Negotiations work or maybe there's a different approach, but the 24 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: point is to be unpredictable in that certainly. 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: Not let anybody know what you're willing to do or 26 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: not do. 27 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: But if anybody has internalized the lessons of Iraq and 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: Afghanistan as the first one President Trump to call them 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: out for what they are, he's not going to repeat 30 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: those lessons. And I think I've been very clear about 31 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: that from the podium for. 32 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: All warfare is based on deception. It's Sun sue people, 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: this is warfare. One oh one, Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, 34 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: good to be with you. This is why the American 35 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: left is so broken. They can't believe that. That doesn't 36 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: make any sense to them. How could it be about exception? 37 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: How dare you lie to the American people? No one's 38 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: lying to the American people. But you don't let loose 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: what your plans are. By the way, the full quote 40 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: from Sun Sioux in the Art of war, all warfare 41 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: is based on desumption, on deception. Hence, when we are 42 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: able to attack, we must seem unable. When using our forces, 43 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: we must appear inactive. When we are near, we must 44 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: make the enemy believe we are far away. When far away. 45 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: We must make him believe we are near yep. But 46 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: what a line we're sending the ground troops. That's different 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: than whether or not we place the ground troops. We've 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: got twenty five hundred marines on the USS Tripoli, we've 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: got this that the eighty second airborn. But have we 50 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 1: placed the troop anywhere? Wasn't this our conversation yesterday? What 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: does boots on the ground actually mean? And why are 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: so many people worked up by it? Now? I have 53 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: made the statement as clear as day that if President 54 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: Trump says we're gonna go get the uranium, that clearly 55 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: means somebody has to walk in and get the uranium. 56 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: Whether that's the US, whether that's the Israelis, it's somebody. 57 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: So there's going to be a boot on the ground. 58 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: But I think what people mean is in a fighting 59 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: posture action, sitting there in some kind of line like 60 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: where the redcoats firing at the IRGC. What do they 61 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure they quite understand what they mean 62 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: by boots on the ground. But correct, nothing's happened yet. 63 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: But if you were to listen to the media, man, 64 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: they are desperate to make you think all is lost 65 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: desperate to make you believe we have completely failed. That's 66 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: their objective. They hate Trump so much that everything has 67 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: to be a failure, and we already lost. They don't 68 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: care if they demoralized the troops. They don't care if 69 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: they demoralized the American people. They don't care if they 70 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: don't report the full story. They're fine with him. By 71 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: the way, I hosted the Sean Spicer Show today, So 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: if you get the first there should you should get it. 73 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: As Sean was out today, so I was filling in 74 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: as host, and so be sure to watch that. And 75 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: we get into this conversation myself and radio host Grace Curly, 76 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: and then Tim Murta, who was Comms director in twenty 77 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: and then special advisor in twenty twenty four, and Alex Swoyer, 78 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: who is the editor over there at the Washington Times. 79 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: This very concept of trying to demoralize the political left 80 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: cares more about power than people, and they care more 81 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: about control than country. Those are the facts can not 82 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: really deniable. And this is a great way to prove 83 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: this and this idea that you're not telling us, man, 84 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: don't tell the present dang thing. These people cannot be 85 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: trusted now as for whether or not Iran will make 86 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: a deal. 87 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: But if 'r on is wise, they will cut a deal. 88 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: President Trump doesn't bluff and he does not back down. 89 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: You can ask Kamanian about that. The new Iranian regime 90 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: should know that by now, this new regime, because regime 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: change has occurred, should be wiser than the last. Trump 92 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: will make a deal he is willing, and the terms 93 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: of the deal are known to them. 94 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: If Iron is not willing, then the United States. 95 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 2: War Department will continue with even more contensity. 96 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: Now the question, of course, is with whom are we debating? 97 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: And I think this is a fine conversation. And I'm 98 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: telling you, I don't know. There's an interesting I don't know. 99 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: Do I call it a bit of data. There was 100 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: a story right, a story going around about how the 101 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: President of irand Pozsessken is talking about the fact that 102 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: he's not involved in the negotiations and he's angry about this. 103 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: And so there was a source where Posesskan is complaining 104 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: that he wants to be involved in the negotiation because 105 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: without a deal, the economy will collapse in three weeks. 106 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: And allegedly there was a response from the IRGC the 107 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps one of their chiefs that said, 108 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: that's exactly why you can't be involved. You'll give up 109 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: everything for a deal. And allegedly a response from Pozzeshkian, 110 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: sorry I'm mispronouncing his name, was that he's like, you know, 111 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm unable to resign. I can't make my own decisions. 112 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: All I can do is read from a script. And 113 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: so it leads one to believe that the IRGC is 114 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: in charge. Now, if that's true, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard 115 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: Corps is in charge, well then there's no negotiation that 116 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: is possible. You have to break them of their money 117 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: before you even get close to that. There is no 118 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: negotiation that is possible. But just as I discussed deception, 119 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: who knows if this conversation is real? Who knows who 120 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: they're negotiating with? Are they negotiating with the Parliament a 121 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: spokesperson in Iran? Because if there are are, if they're 122 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: engage in negotiation with Galibaf Mohammed Bager Balagoff, the speaker 123 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: of the Parliament, well what makes anybody think that he 124 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: could be trusted? He replaced Larajani. Larjhani was killed by 125 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: the Israelis. I believe it was the Israelis. Why would 126 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: I trust him to a negotiation? What would be what 127 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: would be there? If the IRGC is controlling things on 128 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: the ground, how do you make that happen. This is 129 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: why I'm one of the people who understands the boots 130 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: on the ground conversation, or at least how I take it. 131 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: I should say that one of the people understands like 132 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: you don't. That's stupidly rude, and I apologize. I believe 133 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: the boots on the ground doesn't have to mean Tehran 134 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be an actual invading force into the 135 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: mainland of Iran. It could be the absolute obliterizing that's right, 136 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: my word, of carg Island and ending their ability to 137 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: get hard currency, stopping that flow. It could be the 138 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: taking of Kesham, it could be the taking of other 139 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: small islands in the air. That would be boots on 140 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: the ground. But that's a different play than mainland invasion, 141 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: because I don't think the invasion is going to be 142 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: the way it goes at all. But I don't think 143 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: you really get anywhere until you cut off the money supply. 144 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: Because I have no reason to think that the IRGC 145 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: is going to heal if there're still dollars coming their way, 146 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: Because if there are no dollars and they have no 147 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: support to being in this position of power, that's when 148 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: the people rise up and they have to run for 149 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: their lives. Those IRGC members, anybody who's left to besiege, 150 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: they're getting killed. The Iranian people are going to kill them. 151 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: Are we taking bets I take? 152 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 4: Oh? 153 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: No, no, the Iranian people are going to kill them 154 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: the very first chance they get. No question, no quest Now. 155 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: I will also say, and that is my sincerest hope, 156 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: that they are able to eliminate the IRGCE. If the 157 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: IRGC all runs away, Okay, they all run away, and 158 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: then the people are able to establish their own government. 159 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: And what government that's going to be, I don't know. 160 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how it's going to look around guns 161 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: play out, but I absolutely and wholeheartedly want that for them, 162 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: and I believe that if we leave without the people 163 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: working on their own government, we're making an absolutely massive mistake. 164 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: But boots on the ground is not yet in play, 165 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: and sending boots doesn't mean you've engaged an invasion. A 166 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: lot of ways this can play out, A lot this 167 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: could be a layered approach, a little bit here and 168 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: a little bit there, and a little bit there and 169 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: a little bit this. So the bombing over here and 170 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: moving over here, you have to eliminate the threat altogether. Now, 171 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: this now gets into as Pete Hegseth was speaking this 172 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: morning at the press conference giving the latest with a 173 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: General Dan Caine, Hegseth gets into what's going on with 174 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: European nations and as. 175 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: Far as NATO's concerned, that's a decision that will be 176 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: left to the president. But I'll just say a lot 177 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: has been laid bare, a lot has been shown to 178 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: the world about what our allies would be willing to 179 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: do for the United States of America when we undertake 180 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: an effort of this scope on behalf of the free world. 181 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 3: These are missiles that don't even range the United States 182 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: of America. 183 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: They range allies and others, and yet when we ask 184 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: for additional assistance or simple access basing overflight, we get 185 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: questions or roadblocks or hesitations. And Resident's pointing out, you 186 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: don't have much of an alliance if you have countries 187 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: that are not willing to stand with you when you 188 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: need them. He's simply pointing that out, and ultimately it'll 189 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 2: be his decision of what that looks like after. 190 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: This is completely Now, this starts with a post from 191 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: President Trump. All of those countries that can't get jet 192 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, 193 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, 194 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: I have a suggestion for you. Number one, buy from 195 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: the US. We have plenty and number two, build up 196 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: some delayed courage. Go to the Strait and just take it. 197 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: You'll have to start learning how to fight for yourself. 198 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: The USA won't be there to help you anymore, just 199 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: like you weren't there for US. Iran has been essentially decimated. 200 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: The hard part is done. Go get your own oil. 201 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: President DJT Now, it didn't say thank you for your 202 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: attention to this matter, and I was very upset by that, 203 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: very upset by that. This is a weird and fascinating 204 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: post because he's calling out the UK directly could like 205 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom which refused to get involved in the 206 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: decapitation of Iran. I have made the case for this, 207 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: and I believe I am accurate. You didn't invite the 208 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: UK to be a part of this. At the beginning, 209 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: you invited the Mipsho facto. After the fact, well, nobody 210 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: wants to be a part of the thing after the fact. 211 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: They want to be seen as leading against this regime, 212 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: against the terrorists, the threat to the nation, seen as 213 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: a leader on the world stage. They don't want to 214 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: be like, oh, well Trump told us we have to 215 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: do this, so come on, we have to do this. 216 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: All politics are local and there was no way for 217 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: Kure Starmin, no matter how terrible he is, to sell 218 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: that to the British people. He couldn't do it. So 219 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: he didn't. And I don't understand how people are surprised 220 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: by this. But if we had heard that the Royal 221 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: Navy was going to come and help them keep the 222 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: straight open, where the hell are they? Why isn't that happening. 223 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: So the idea of get off your buttchet's your oil, 224 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: go do something about it, I believe it's accurate. Now 225 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting statement. You'll have to start 226 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: learning how to fight for yourself. The USA won't be 227 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: there to help you anymore, just like you weren't there 228 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: for us. There is one way to take this, and 229 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: that is did President Trump just change foreign policy? And 230 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: our dealings with Great Britain and ally did we just 231 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: change statecraft right here? Did anybody tell Marco Rubio right, 232 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: that's one way you can take it. The other way is, oh, 233 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: you're not going to show up for us? Do you 234 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: know what? 235 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 5: Screw you? 236 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: Screw your mom? Oh, and by the way, your sister's 237 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: fat like it's that and you say to me, what 238 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: do you mean they weren't there for you? This brings 239 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: us to a story about France, and you realize that 240 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: he's utilizing the UK as his focus, but it isn't 241 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: the whole story. France denied Israel in the US flights 242 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: over their territory. Trump, writing on true Social the country 243 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: of France wouldn't let planes headed to Israel load it 244 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: up with military supplies fly over his French territory. France 245 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: has been very unhelpful with respect to the butcher of Iran, 246 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: who has been successfully eliminated. The USA will remember, damn 247 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: mother straight, I believe I left out a word there. 248 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: I believe I left out a word. Can we check 249 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: with the judges? I did I left out a word? 250 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: Damn straight? You don't let us fly over your airspace? 251 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: You NATO nation I don't want to be friendly. I 252 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: think the next time you see Emmanuel Macron, mister president, 253 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: and he tries to stick out his hand, you tell 254 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: him to kiss off and then let's talk about his mother. 255 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: You don't let us fly over, are you? If you 256 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: add to your skulls that requires a repercussion that reminds 257 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: France who they are in the game. You don't have 258 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: to agree with us. I do not require this. I'm 259 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: the one who made the argument that it is not 260 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: surprising that they did not jump to assist because they 261 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to be seen that way. They need to 262 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: be seen strong to their own people. Trump has to 263 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: recognize this, understand this. All politics are local, as we've stated, 264 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: and that's real. You don't let Americans fly over your airspace. No, no, no, 265 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: it's you. That is not how a friend treats a friend. 266 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: And if you ain't a friend, then what the hell 267 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: are you? I think we need to make some serious 268 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,479 Speaker 1: moves to let France know that that simply won't be tolerated. 269 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: That's not acceptable. You know, it's better if we take 270 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: out the Ayatolla. You know, it's better if we and 271 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: this regime. Why would you get in the way, are 272 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: you afraid of all the islam mischief imported into the 273 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: country because your mass migration nonsense is nonsense and destroying 274 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: French culture too bad. Maybe if you stead up to them, 275 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: you would help us stand up to the terrorist, the 276 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: Ayatola and this disgusting regime, all of whom in it 277 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: have to die, not because I say so, but because 278 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: if they don't, Americans die, and of course Europeans die, 279 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: and we don't want this anymore. President Trump should not 280 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: let this go. You want to slap around the UK, 281 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: you can, but France deserves every bit of derision and 282 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: they should feel the heat because that's unacceptable. That's not 283 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: going to work. That is not what a friend does. 284 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: You gave us a statue, and we gave you our 285 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: boys upon Duac. When we need to fly over to 286 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: make sure American lives are safe, you say, right this way. 287 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: My friends think that we don't know how this is 288 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: going to end. And Pete hex Seth is, of course right. 289 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: Fifteen different possibilities and I'm sure there's one hundred and 290 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: fifty possibilities, and my faith is with them, and I 291 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: want to see this regime. Gon nations that made it 292 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: more difficult, not that didn't necessarily cooperate, but got in 293 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: the way. That should be remembered and it should be 294 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: remembered forever. This is Tony Katz today. So it's an 295 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: eight one decision on Chile's versus Salazar Supreme Court striking 296 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: down Colorado's minor conversion therapy law. They say it's a 297 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: violation of the First Amendment and they're right. Gorsitch with 298 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: the decision. Me I Tony Katz, The show is Tony 299 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: Katz today, saying that the law regulated speech based on viewpoint, 300 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: failed scrutiny. What they wanted to say is you, as 301 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: a therapist, cannot tell a boy, well, you're not a girl, 302 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: you're a boy. That's what Colorado wanted. These people are sick, 303 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: dangerous and twisted. They really want to abuse children, and 304 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: they don't ever want children to know the reality. They 305 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: want all the space in the world to keep the 306 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: abuse up. So this overturns the lower court rulings that 307 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: upheld the law, and it signals that talk therapy cannot 308 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: be broadly categorized as professional conduct exempt from First Amendment protection. 309 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: The person who ruled against it, Katanji Brown Jackson, Katanji 310 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: Brown Jackson with the descent, and according to sources, her 311 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: descent was longer than Gorsuch's opinion and Kagan's concurrence with it. 312 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: So her argument is that everybody missed. The big point 313 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: is that they're providing therapy as licensed healthcare professionals rather 314 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: than speaking in abstracts, and that the decision quote threatens 315 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: to impair state's ability. That's according the article, so not 316 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: her quote. It threatens to impair state's ability to regulate 317 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: the provision of medical care, extending constitutional protections into uncharted territory. 318 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: Do I trust Brett Capitol, Do I trust Amy Cony Barrett? 319 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: Do I trust Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito? Or do 320 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: I trust Katanji Brown Jackson, who cannot even tell you 321 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: what a woman is? Yeah? Yeah, her impeachment can't happen 322 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: soon enough. This is Tony kats today. So we all 323 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: understand that there are spies from other countries in the 324 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: United States or keeping an eye in the United States, 325 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: and we understand that we the United States, we have 326 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: spies in other countries are keeping an eye on other countries. 327 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: I don't think this is new to anybody. Shocking to anybody. 328 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't think this is a well I always assumed, 329 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: but I didn't know it was real. It's real. Tony Kats, 330 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. Good to be here, Good to be 331 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: with you. Find everything I do over at tonycats dot com. 332 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: The question is should we be inviting spies, opening the 333 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: door for the opportunity for spies. I am a full 334 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: on believer that that's what we're doing when we allow 335 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: the Communist Chinese Party to have student visas. President Trump 336 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: is wrong. We should not allow student visas for educational 337 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: purposes at all. To the Communist Chinese Nope, we don't 338 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: have this. We don't allow this. Oh call me any 339 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: name you want. This is a conversation of national security, 340 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: day in and day out, time and time and time 341 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: and time again. We hear about home. They're got viruses 342 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: working at this lab. They're doing things over here. We 343 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: knew about the Confucists institutes. The Confucius Institutes were these situations. 344 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: These these not buildings, but clubs set up, and these 345 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: clubs were to help bring a better understanding of Chinese culture. 346 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: That's not what they did. The Confucians institutes were there 347 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: to try and stop anybody from saying anything on campus 348 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: bad about the Communist Chinese Party. It was propaganda from 349 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: beginning to end, trying to threaten and intimidate people to 350 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: keep them from speaking out. The Communist Chinese Party is 351 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: awful and terrible. I know I'm never going to get 352 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: to go to China. I have it to be elected 353 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: president to be able to go to China. The Communist 354 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: Chinese Party is horrifying. I'm never going to see the 355 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: terra Cotta soldiers, and that's the way it goes. I 356 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: will never walk the Great Wall of China, and that's 357 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: too bad, because I would love to. But reality is 358 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: what it is. The communists, all communists are horrifying. All 359 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: communists are are rooted in an absolute evil, and they 360 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: have somehow convinced themselves that they provide a value. It's disgusting, 361 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: it's despicable, it's immoral, it is a moral. It is 362 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: horrifying that this could take place and that we have 363 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: twenty somethings in America who could look at zarnmm Donni 364 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: or Bernie Sanders and say, yep, that's the way we 365 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: have failed in our task. And part of the failure 366 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: is we have allowed true indoctrination to take place. We 367 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: have allowed manipulation to take place in the university set 368 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: and in younger sets, and we did not move fast 369 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: enough to stop it. They have gotten a serious foothold 370 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: in not just a toe hold. They have got their 371 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: claws in deep to a lot of our kids. And 372 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: it's our job to rip them out and throw them away. 373 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: This ideology, this communism, this horror of progressivism, needs to lose, 374 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: and we need to make sure it loses. And part 375 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: of that is not allowing that influence, and certainly not 376 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: allowing people who are a danger to the American populace, 377 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: and that is anybody connected to the Chinese Communist Party, 378 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: because they want to harm the population that is the 379 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: United States. They want to do away with Western civilization. 380 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: They want to be the top dog. So we have 381 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 1: this spy conversation. Now, many of you are fully aware 382 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: that Representative Eric Swalwell was involved with a Chinese spy. 383 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: This was a woman on his staff who helped with fundraising, 384 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: known as Christine Fang and in other circles was known 385 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: as Fang Feng. Not only did she help Swalwell, by 386 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: the way, Swalwell's a low guy he really and truly is. 387 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: And the story was always that he was having a 388 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: intimate relationship with this spy. And I say to you, 389 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: I don't believe he was. I don't think he ever 390 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: could have made that happen. He couldn't even land the 391 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: spy who was there to shag him. She placed an 392 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: inn in his office in the twenty fourteen campaign cycle. Now, he, 393 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: as The Hill has it reported, was not accused of 394 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: criminal wrongdoing. He stopped dealing with Fang in twenty fifteen 395 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: after being briefed by US intelligence officials on their suspicions 396 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: of her. And then there was a House ethics probe 397 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: and that concluded in twenty twenty three without taking any 398 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: further action. That is not to say that Eric Swalwell 399 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: is all innocent. Not taking further action is different than 400 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: a proclamation of not guilty or of any innocence whatsoever. 401 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: So what's being discussed right now is Cash Pattel, the 402 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: FBI director. He's pushing for the release of the files 403 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: related to an investigation into Swawell's interactions with the spy. This, 404 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: according to The New York Times and The Washington Post, 405 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: so FBI agents, they're personnel in California where he's running 406 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: for governor. He's currently congressman from California. They've been directed 407 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: to gather a dack sensitive information, according to The Hill, 408 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: and these documents we used in preparation for sharing with 409 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: senior Trump officials. This, according to people familiar with the matter, 410 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: Swawell is furious. Now. Swawell's saying, they're so desperate to 411 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: try and stop me because I'm running for governor. I'm 412 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: the favorite. He's not actually the favorite. There's a lot 413 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: of different polling out of California, including the fact that 414 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: two Republicans might top the polling, which would be very 415 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: very interesting stuff if that was the case. Because of 416 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: the way they do things. You could have two Republicans 417 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: running to be the next governor of California. It's fascinating. 418 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: Will it happen? I don't know that. Can it happen? 419 00:25:54,560 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, it can happen. Let me see where we are. 420 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: Let me see if I have California polling right here, 421 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: Emerson has Swawall plus four, Berkeley and PBIIC have Hilton, 422 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: Steve Hilton at plus one. And so when you take 423 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: a look at the last poll, it was the Berkeley 424 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: Pole has Hilton at seventeen and Blanco another Bianco, No Blanco. 425 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: Is it Bianco or Blanco? I always thought it was Blanco. 426 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's Bionco. Sorry my mistake, Chad Bianco. All right, 427 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: that's better. That's right at sixteen and Swallall's in. It's 428 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: tied for third place. So this is a tight, tight race. 429 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: And Swawall is absolutely not the favorite in this race. 430 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: Right now. Steve Hilton is the guy running. If you 431 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: know the name Steve Hilton, it's because you know it 432 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 1: because he was a hosted Fox. He had the weekend 433 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: show over Fox. I never met him, I never worked 434 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: with him, but right now he's doing very very well 435 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: and hopefully that does indeed continue. So Swawell saying, well, 436 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: this is just because I'm doing so well. It's not 437 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: because you're doing so well. Donald Trump and Cash Mattel 438 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: do not get to pick the next governor. No, you're 439 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: right about that, but they can endorse, or at least 440 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: the president can. And certainly if you were involved with 441 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: a spy, we can ask questions about it. But I 442 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: bring this up because we have an issue with spies. 443 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: This is a story that was reported by CBS News. 444 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 1: So this is the clip they put up that a 445 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: Stanford student, her name is Elsa Johnson. She is making 446 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: the claim that she was targeted by a Chinese spy, 447 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: and then they were relentless in trying to get her 448 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: to not talk about their interactions. This is Elsa Johnson 449 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: and then the reporter. 450 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 4: I'm here because I was personally targeted by a suspected 451 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 4: agent of the Chinese Communist Party while conducting research at Stanford. 452 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 5: A Chinese spy trying to recruit an American college student. 453 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 5: That's exactly what happened to Elsa Johnson. She's a Stanford student, 454 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 5: she's a junior now, and her freshman year, she was 455 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 5: working on a research project looking at Chinese business and 456 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 5: the military. And guess what. She started receiving messages from 457 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 5: a man who had images of Stanford and his profile 458 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 5: made it seem like he was affiliated with the university, 459 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 5: trying to engage her in conversation and trying to get her. 460 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: To come to China. 461 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 5: Take a listen to what she. 462 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: Had to say on Capitol Hill. 463 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 4: A man calling himself Charles Chen reached out to me 464 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 4: on social media. He had mutual followers with me and 465 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 4: photos of Stanford on his profile. Over the following weeks, 466 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: he asked detailed questions about my background, offered to pay 467 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 4: for a trip to China, sent me a flight itinerary 468 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 4: to Shanghai, and pressured me to move our conversation to 469 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 4: wichat an app that is monitored by the CCP. 470 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: Things escalated. 471 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 5: At one point she felt so uncomfortable she started taking 472 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 5: screenshots of the conversation. 473 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 4: He publicly commented on one of my Instagram posts in Mandarin, 474 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 4: asking me to delete screenshots I had taken of our conversation. 475 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 4: I do not know how he knew I had these screenshots. 476 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 5: The FBI did tell her earlier this year at his 477 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 5: academic year that she was actually being physically monitored on 478 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 5: campus and that her family was too. 479 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 4: The FBI confirmed he had no affiliation with Stanford. He 480 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 4: was likely operating on behalf of China's Ministry of State Security. 481 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 4: I was one of at least ten female students he targeted. 482 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 4: Since twenty twenty, after my co author, Garrett Molloy, and 483 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 4: I published our investigation, the incidents worsened. I began receiving 484 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 4: intimidation calls where callers would switch to Mandarin, and in 485 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 4: one case, the caller reference my mother. Just this week, 486 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 4: I received another call from US number. After exchanging hellos, 487 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 4: the color switched to Mandarin and asked whether I had 488 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 4: finished dinner. I have also received threatening scam emails attempting 489 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 4: to convince me to take down my reporting on this issue. 490 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 5: So this is a really scary thing. And guess what, 491 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 5: it's not brand new. Chinese operatives have been trying to 492 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 5: infiltrate various American institutions for years, for decades, and in fact, 493 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 5: back about fifteen years ago, I was covering China a lot. 494 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 5: I had studied in China, lived in Nanjing, did my 495 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 5: graduate work there, and I started doing stories on China, 496 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 5: and I was flooded with invitations from people reaching out 497 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 5: to me in Mandarin. And I never responded to any 498 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 5: of them. But I wonder if I had, if something 499 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 5: like this would have happened at the time I worked 500 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 5: at ABC News. 501 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 1: It probably would have happened. I mean, this is just 502 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: one story. Wait till we find out that there are 503 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: hundreds of these stories, or tens of these stories, it 504 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't matter. This is happening, and the question we have 505 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: to ask ourselves is what is our plan? How do 506 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: we want to deal with this? How do we want 507 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: to safeguard against this? Well, first we must be clear 508 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: that it happens, and we must be clear that anybody 509 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: who is associating with the spies needs to at least 510 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: be looked at. I do not argue that they did 511 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: anything wrong, because it is very possible that they're being duped, 512 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: they're being used. Remember, no one believes the can more 513 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: than the mark. Absolutely true. But one way these things 514 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: are limited is if you do not allow anybody connected 515 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: to the party in the country. So we start where 516 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: we start, any single able bodied mail Chinese coming through 517 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: the border. The answer is no. We say on them 518 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: right back. We don't care what they claim. It is 519 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: a one hundred return to sender. We send you back. 520 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: That's what we do. We have to start there. Then 521 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: we put an end to all student visas from China. 522 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: The answer is no. If universities then claim that they're 523 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: not going to be able to survive because they rely 524 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: on this money, and these students pay full freight right, 525 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: they pay the non in state out of state intuition 526 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: and costs, so they pay more. Don't care. We can 527 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: handle having less universities. We don't need the university to 528 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: stay afloat at the expense of American security. Don't care 529 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: that much about the university. Tell the professors to get 530 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: real jobs. Don't want to hear about their problems. Don't 531 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: want to hear about anything other than we're protecting the 532 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: nation and ensuring that the rights of the citizens main 533 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: intact the rights of the communist Chinese national. I don't 534 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: give a damn about the rights of the communist Chinese 535 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: national in the United States. They make care in China. 536 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: I can't tell them not to careen China, but I 537 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: don't care about it in the US at all. Then, 538 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: anybody associating with knowingly associating with a communist spy, a 539 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: Chinese spy, or really any spy, we need public penalties 540 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: of severity. I know they're a spy, and I'm assisting 541 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: it leads to massive, massive, massive penalties up to and 542 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: including the big stuff. Now, I am not a death 543 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: penalty guy. I'm not, but I am willing to entertain 544 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to spying on the nation or smuggling 545 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: in viruses into the nation, I'm willing to entertain at 546 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: all because we have to end this. It's us or them. 547 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: That's the story. So let's be clear. This woman in Stanford, 548 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: Elsa Johnson's making it clear. The story of Fangfang makes 549 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: it clear. The Communist Chinese Party doesn't believe in our 550 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: existence and our growth and our future. They believe in 551 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: the end of us. So let's stop them. Let's be 552 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: wide eyed, let's not kid ourselves, let's not lie to ourselves. 553 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: It's us or them, and I choose us. This is 554 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 1: Tony Kats Today. I'm filling in for Sean Spicer today 555 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: on the Sewn Spicer Show Tony Katz Tony Katz Today. 556 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: So that's gonna air this evening. If you missed it, 557 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: don't worry. They've got a repeat. You can get it 558 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: on on YouTube. It plays on the first. How do 559 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: I not have a show on the first? I mean, 560 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: I do two radio shows today, I do eat, drink, smoke. 561 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: I've got time. But come on, we have time for 562 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: a little TV fun and jocularity. Why not. Sean has 563 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: always been very very nice to me, and I do 564 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: appreciate it, and I hope he's well, and they're like, hey, 565 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: do you have the ability to fill in? I'm absolutely 566 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 1: be a pleasure to fill in for Sewan, So I'm 567 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: scheduled to do that. That will be six pm Eastern tonight. 568 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: And again if you missed it, because some people get 569 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: the show later listening to the podcast, I'll have the show. 570 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: They have clips on YouTube. I've the host show. I 571 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: will post it over at Tony kats dot com so 572 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: you can see it for yourself. It is going to 573 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: be a joy and a treat. I don't know for me. 574 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of a not for them, right. 575 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm not auditioning. It's a test run for me to 576 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: the idea of you know, I talk about TV, but 577 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: would I actually want to do it? But I actually 578 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: want to do this and add this to the things, 579 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: and I think the answer is how much? 580 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 4: No. 581 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 1: I think the answer is sure, but it'd have to 582 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: be my kind of show, not the kind of shows 583 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: you already see on the air. Meanwhile, Shawn Spicer the 584 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: first I'm filling in, so be a tuning in. Find 585 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: everything at tonycats dot com tomorrow. Everyone, take care,