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Speaker 3: You are not gonna believe the company, this company. You're

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Speaker 5: Hid of the gun goes Leonard three receiver stacked to

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Speaker 4: The third bomb today to Alec Pierce Leonard out of

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Speaker 8: Obviously, we showed signs early in the season that was

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Speaker 7: That is how it sounded yesterday Matt Taylor a Colts

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Speaker 7: here on what has typically known as black Monday in

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Speaker 7: I will ask you your initial thought. Were you surprised

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Speaker 9: No, because if you listen to what Steven Holder, Mike Chappell,

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Speaker 7: And that's one thing, Eddie that I think is a

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Speaker 7: his head right and how if his head's not in it,

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Speaker 7: it's difficult for him. And I know that there are

437
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Speaker 7: a lot of the situation, the tragic passing of his daughter.

438
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Speaker 7: I'm not making light of any of that, and I

439
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Speaker 7: think he was talking a little about some of that,

440
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Speaker 7: but I think more so he was talking about the

441
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Speaker 7: lack of clarity in his mind because of the multiple

442
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Speaker 7: concussions and he said today that he again is having

443
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Speaker 7: to weigh out his future because of that, and I

444
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Speaker 7: absolutely understand and respect that. But we will get more

445
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Speaker 7: into it over the course of today, and we'll let

446
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Speaker 7: you hear more from Shane Steichen over the course of today,

447
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Speaker 7: and we'll play you the Carly Urse Gordon press conference

448
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Speaker 7: as it happens today and we will break down and

449
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Speaker 7: analyze it. But there is that other side of it,

450
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Speaker 7: the preparation of Kurt Signetti Indiana last night in basketball

451
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Speaker 7: as well, shot the ball really well and rebounded well.

452
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Speaker 7: Things going well for Indiana. A guy that's on the

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Speaker 7: microphone for both it's going to be flying all over

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Speaker 7: the country doing both of them. Don Fisher joins us

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Speaker 7: other side here Monday edition Quarying Company on the fan.

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Speaker 7: I certainly hope that Don Fisher is able to accumulate

457
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Speaker 7: frequent flyer miles. Now I realize, you know they probably

458
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Speaker 7: fly commercial, but if you are, excuse me, charter, But

459
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 7: if they're flying commercial, I hope he does, because Don's

460
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Speaker 7: going to have a busy week and I have a

461
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Speaker 7: feeling he would want it no other way. Wednesday at Maryland.

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Speaker 7: On the basketball side of things, Indiana winners last night

463
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Speaker 7: over Washington at the Assembly Hall, the Simon Scott Assembly Hall,

464
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Speaker 7: and then on Friday it is Oregon and the Peach

465
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Speaker 7: Bowl in Atlanta in the college football semi Finals. He

466
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Speaker 7: joins us now in the Joba House Peel and poor

467
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Speaker 7: guest line the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, Don Fisher. Don,

468
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Speaker 7: I'm assuming that you are absolutely thrilled with that busy

469
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Speaker 7: schedule in the second half of your week.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's even busier than you point out, Jake. I'm

471
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Speaker 10: going to be doing.

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Speaker 3: The Maryland game. I'm trying.

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Speaker 10: I'm going to try and do the I will do

474
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Speaker 10: the football game on Friday night, and then I'm starting

475
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Speaker 10: to try and get back for the Nebraska basketball game

476
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Speaker 10: at noon on Saturday, which I did kind of the

477
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Speaker 10: week of the Purdue game if you remember back when

478
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Speaker 10: we played for Due and then I had a game

479
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Speaker 10: the next morning at eleven AM with a pregame and

480
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Speaker 10: noon for a tip off.

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Speaker 3: So so I'm going to try and do that again.

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Speaker 10: I may not be able to do it this time

483
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Speaker 10: because I may be out of gas.

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Speaker 7: Well listen, I mean it would be understood. But here's Don,

485
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Speaker 7: here's the thing. I'm going to make a prediction for you.

486
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Speaker 7: You ready, I'm going to predict that you're able to

487
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Speaker 7: do that game because you are running on so much

488
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Speaker 7: adrenaline over the fact that you've now seen Indiana one

489
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Speaker 7: step away from the national championship after the knockoff Oregon. Now,

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Speaker 7: I'm not trying to jinx anything, but that's what I'm

491
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Speaker 7: telling is gonna happen.

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Speaker 10: Well, I don't like when you predict, because I don't

493
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Speaker 10: know how many times your predictions come true.

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Speaker 7: Listen, I didn't predict they were going to shock the

495
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Speaker 7: world in ann Arbor against Michigan Football a couple of

496
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Speaker 7: years ago, and it didn't go so well.

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Speaker 10: That's what I'm That's what I'm pointing out right.

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Speaker 7: For a quarter, I was right on it, man, I'm

499
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Speaker 7: telling you, right, But DoD let's let's listen. You know

500
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Speaker 7: this is and I know that at this point we're

501
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Speaker 7: a broken record, but that performance against Alabama was so

502
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Speaker 7: fabulous that we have to revisit it because and I mean,

503
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Speaker 7: and let's face it, everyone everyone not using a two

504
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Speaker 7: h five area code loved the Paul Fine bomb shout

505
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 7: out that you did during the broadcast itself, right, but

506
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Speaker 7: that just you know, the overall preparation. It looked to

507
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Speaker 7: me don like Indiana had a better idea of what

508
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 7: Alabama was trying to execute then did Alabama. You know,

509
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Speaker 7: what is it about the Signetti factor that just is

510
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Speaker 7: so business like and allows his guys to go out

511
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Speaker 7: and have that kind of laser focus? And I realized

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Speaker 7: that's something I've been asking you for like fourteen weeks. Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's all about the process, as you know, that's

514
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Speaker 10: the term that they use all the time. The players

515
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 10: use it, the coaches use it, Signetti uses it. It's

516
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Speaker 10: all about the process and it's about getting better every

517
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Speaker 10: single day, and that's part of that process that they

518
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Speaker 10: talk about. I'm just I'm convinced that this guy is

519
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Speaker 10: the best football coach in the country right now. I

520
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 10: don't think there's much question about it. What he's done

521
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Speaker 10: with this football program in two years is remarkable and

522
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Speaker 10: I think he probably said it best to the postgame celebration.

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Speaker 3: It'd be a pretty good movie, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 10: All I can tell you at this juncture to Jake

525
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Speaker 10: is that this team is well prepared for everything that

526
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Speaker 10: they do, and they've been that way all season long,

527
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Speaker 10: as they did last year, with the exception of obviously

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Speaker 10: the two losses. But I'm not saying that they should

529
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Speaker 10: have won those two ball games, but they made some

530
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Speaker 10: mistakes in those games that they're not making this year.

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Speaker 10: That's the remotle thing. This team makes very few mistakes

532
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Speaker 10: on the field. And I'm not talking about individual plays.

533
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Speaker 10: I'm talking about in general, the kind of stakes that

534
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 10: get you beat, turnovers, those kinds of things, and they

535
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Speaker 10: just don't do that very often. And when they do

536
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Speaker 10: do it, it seems like the other side of the

537
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 10: football they turn it over to the other side. The

538
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Speaker 10: defensive side makes up for it. And that's what complimentary

539
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Speaker 10: football is all about. And they've talked about that at

540
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 10: nauseum as well. So it's just a football team that's

541
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Speaker 10: so well put together. Number one, it's constructed properly with

542
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Speaker 10: character players and that have had experience. And then on

543
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Speaker 10: on top of that, they just keep getting better. They

544
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 10: work at getting better each and every day, and that's

545
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Speaker 10: where this all comes from, and that's why I think

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Speaker 10: this guy is the best.

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Speaker 7: Don he had said Kurt Signetti, Don Fisher my guest,

548
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Speaker 7: the voice of the Hoosiers on the Java House, Peel

549
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Speaker 7: and poor guest line kurtz Signetti had talked about with

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Speaker 7: this rematch with Oregon that and I think Indiana has

551
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Speaker 7: been very aware of, very respectful of. You know, hey,

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Speaker 7: Oregon is a great team. You know we had a

553
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 7: great win against them, but you know it's going to

554
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Speaker 7: be tough, that kind of thing. But he had said

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Speaker 7: that teams kind of morphed themselves over the course of

556
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Speaker 7: the year, and therefore they are different than matchup number one.

557
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Speaker 7: How is this Indiana team, to your eye, different than

558
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Speaker 7: it was in Eugene.

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Speaker 10: I think just the one thing that strikes me right now,

560
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Speaker 10: Jake about this football team is their confidence level. And

561
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Speaker 10: it's not a cockiness. It's not that kind of thing.

562
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Speaker 10: It's their belief. It's their belief in their ability number one,

563
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Speaker 10: in their coaching staff number two. And they buy in

564
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Speaker 10: that they've had of what Kurt Signetti teaches and preaches

565
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 10: almost on a daily basis. So I think that the

566
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 10: confidence level is that it is at an all time high

567
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Speaker 10: with these players. I think when you mold a team

568
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Speaker 10: like Kurt Signetti is done these guys. And here's the

569
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 10: other thing. I guess the easiest way to say it

570
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 10: is these players buy what Kurt Signetti is selling and

571
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Speaker 10: they buy into it wholeheartedly, one hundred percent. They believe

572
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Speaker 10: in it, They've seen it work, and there's no reason

573
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Speaker 10: not to believe in it to this point because they're undefeated.

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Speaker 7: And I mean again, they are just so don what's

575
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Speaker 7: fascinating to me And I mentioned it before with you

576
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Speaker 7: and I've said it probably daily. It's like they go

577
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Speaker 7: out in the Indie. It's so they make it simple

578
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 7: and the simple aspect is we're just not going to

579
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Speaker 7: make mistakes. And then even the best of the best,

580
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 7: the Alabamas of the world, the Ohio States of the world,

581
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 7: eventually make a mistake in Indiana then praise on it

582
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 7: like Piranhas. They're just all over it right after it.

583
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Speaker 7: It truly is remarkable.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and you can ploy the Oregon game the first

585
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 10: time they played. I mean, what happens they throw it,

586
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 10: Fernando Mendoza throws an interception, and what do they do

587
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 10: and it's a pick six, So it goes for a touchdown,

588
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 10: and all of a sudden, all the momentum is an

589
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 10: organ's favor, So what do they do. They came back

590
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 10: down to the field, went eighty plus yards on that

591
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Speaker 10: drive and score a touchdown to retake the lead. I mean,

592
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Speaker 10: it was remarkable in the sense, you make a mistake,

593
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 10: you move on to the next play, and you don't

594
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 10: even think about what just happened. You're thinking about what's

595
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 10: going to happen next. They move on from negatives very quickly.

596
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Speaker 10: It just doesn't seem to affect them. Even if it's

597
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 10: a bad play or a mistake made on a play

598
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 10: or turnover or whatever it may be. They just move

599
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 10: on to the next play and it doesn't seem to

600
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Speaker 10: affect them negatively. And that's one of the reasons I

601
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 10: think this competent, at the competence level of this team

602
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 10: is just as high as it can possibly get.

603
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Speaker 7: Don I did have a basketball question, but before I

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Speaker 7: get to that, I simply wanted to ask you this.

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Speaker 7: And I know you've been asked a lot about your

606
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 7: journey of doing Indiana football, and we've talked about that.

607
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 7: It's well documented and you've been open about, you know,

608
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 7: just some of the bad football you saw over the

609
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 7: course of fifty years. But for you personally, how much

610
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 7: fun is this? How much fun are you having following

611
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 7: this team, this journey, this coach and these.

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Speaker 10: Players well, it's the highlight of my career at Indiana.

613
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 10: I mean, and I've got highlights because I'm top. Three

614
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 10: national championships I had a chance to broadcast, and each

615
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 10: and every one of those was a mod for me.

616
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 10: I really loved what I was seeing. I enjoyed what

617
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Speaker 10: I was seeing into it like I was part of

618
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 10: the program, so to speak. And I did the same

619
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Speaker 10: thing with this football team. It's just so much fun

620
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Speaker 10: to be a part of something this special, and when

621
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Speaker 10: you're part of a national championship team that goes unbeaten

622
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 10: back in nineteen seventy six, and I know that's a

623
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 10: long time ago, but that was fifty years ago and

624
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 10: went out. Question, that was one of the most remarkable

625
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 10: things I'd ever seen at that point in time. And

626
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Speaker 10: now I'm kind of reliving it again, you know, the

627
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 10: same kind of thing with the other two national championships

628
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 10: and getting to the final four and getting to a

629
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Speaker 10: championship game. I've done that several times, so it's just

630
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 10: part of one of the I've been, Like I said before,

631
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 10: I've been the most blessed broadcaster in this business. I've

632
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 10: seen the highs and I've seen the lows and the highs,

633
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 10: of course, outweigh the lows dramatically, but it makes you

634
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 10: appreciate those highs too when you haven't had all that success.

635
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 10: And what these two seasons have done for me is

636
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 10: it's reassured me that I made the right choice when

637
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 10: I decided to become a sportscaster to play by play guy,

638
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 10: and I loved every minute of it.

639
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 7: And it's hard to believe that it would be you know,

640
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 7: I mean, I guess fitting that on the fifty year

641
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 7: anniversary of Indiana's unblemished college basketball season, the last of

642
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 7: them in college basketball, that Indiana could become the first

643
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 7: ever sixteen and unblemished college football national champion basketball real quick,

644
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 7: don I thought last night they shot in the ball

645
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 7: really well, especially from the outside. But I also I

646
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 7: noticed that after the game Coach Devrees, I think it

647
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 7: was to you he was talking about his pleasure in

648
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 7: their ability on the glass and finally getting a little

649
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 7: more active on the rebounding side of things. Was there

650
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Speaker 7: anything schematically different that Darren Devrees did that facilitated for

651
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Speaker 7: either of those things.

652
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: I don't think schematically.

653
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Speaker 10: I think they just worked on rebounding and emphasized it

654
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 10: so much in that twelve thirteen days that they had off.

655
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 10: I mean, that's a unique scenario in itself to have

656
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 10: that much time off during Christmas holiday. And Darren talked

657
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 10: to that about that in our pregame show and we'll

658
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 10: talk more about it tonight on the Coaches.

659
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: Show that we have with him this evening.

660
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Speaker 10: But he was really he said, we really worked on

661
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 10: the rebounding aspect, really emphasized it in our practices over

662
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 10: the last couple of weeks. And he says, that's the

663
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 10: one thing I'm going to look for tonight to see

664
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Speaker 10: if it's better than it has been. And there was

665
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 10: any question that it was, and he was very pleased

666
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 10: with what he saw in that regard. And of course,

667
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Speaker 10: the other aspect of the last night's game that was

668
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 10: so impressive was they had four turnovers in the entire

669
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Speaker 10: ball game, just four in that entire contest.

670
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: So they took care of the basketball.

671
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 10: And I think they've been an underrated defensive team all

672
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 10: year long. I think this is a really good defensive

673
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 10: ball club. They really have honed in on the defensive

674
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 10: side of it. They are limited in some areas because

675
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 10: they're not the biggest team or anything like that in

676
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 10: that regard, and not the most physical by any stretching

677
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 10: the imagination, but they play so hard and they bust

678
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 10: it all the time, and that's one of the reasons

679
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 10: I think this defense is really good. So I think

680
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 10: that's a nott heralded aspect of their ball club at

681
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 10: this point, but I think it's a real critical part

682
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 10: of why they're being able to win some of these

683
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 10: ball games. And of course last night the offense played

684
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 10: a big role, scoring ninety points, and the three point

685
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 10: shot is always it's going to be a critical thing

686
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Speaker 10: for this team. But if your defense is playing well,

687
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 10: it keep you in ballgames and gives.

688
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Speaker 3: You a chance.

689
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Speaker 7: Indiana and Maryland Wednesday night in basketball. You can hear

690
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 7: that game pregame coverage beginning at five thirty on our

691
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 7: sister station, WIBC, and then it is football Oregon Friday

692
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 7: night at six thirty in the National semi Finals, and

693
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 7: the coaches Show of course tonight, and then I you

694
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 7: Nebraska on Saturday. So a busy week for Don Fisher.

695
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 7: Don enjoy it, soak it in and I certainly appreciate it.

696
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: All right, thanks all that, guys, appreciate it.

697
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 7: Don Fisher the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, appreciate it.

698
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 7: On the the house Peel and poor guest line. All right,

699
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 7: when we come back, I will read some of the

700
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 7: best of my question. This time, it was summarized for

701
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 7: me the Colts season in twenty five words or fewer,

702
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 7: and we will invite you into the conversation two three, nine,

703
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 7: ten seventy. Are you on board with Chris Ballad back

704
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 7: or more so, are those of you? Are there some

705
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 7: of you that are saying, you know what I do understand?

706
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 11: Like?

707
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 7: Are you on I think most of you are, at

708
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 7: least outwardly have said that you're opposed to it. But

709
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 7: are there some of you that are saying, you know what?

710
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 7: I get it? I understand either side of it. I'd

711
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 7: like to know will get into both sides of the

712
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 7: communication and the reaction. Next, thank you to Don Fisher

713
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 7: for his time. We will talk a plenty about Indiana

714
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 7: football over the course of the week. Colt's obviously the

715
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 7: big story today, and I don't think it was a

716
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 7: big surprise. But I think at the same time, the

717
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 7: one thing that was surprising to me was not that

718
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 7: Chris Ballad and Shane Steiken are returning, but rather how

719
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 7: quickly they got that out there. Obviously this was probably never,

720
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 7: never really in question. I know that Shane Steichen had

721
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 7: privately told folks, you know, as of a week ago

722
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 7: that he felt pretty comfortable that they were in fact

723
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 7: going to be back, and we now know that to

724
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Speaker 7: be the case. In terms of the twenty and twenty

725
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 7: five season and looking back upon it, it did have

726
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 7: its highs. It had its you know, clearly its big moments.

727
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 7: They the win in Denver or against Denver here, I

728
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 7: mean was obviously a big one. You know, going to Germany.

729
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 7: I know that Atlanta's not terrible. At the time that

730
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 7: they won that game, you know, that was when you

731
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 7: started to wonder if they were going to have the

732
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 7: hold onto the grip of what they had, because they

733
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 7: were starting to show a little vulnerability there. But that

734
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 7: was pretty cool just to go over there and win

735
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 7: that game and for fans to go over and you know,

736
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 7: the walk off fashion. I mean, that was cool. Certainly

737
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 7: there was, even though the result was terrible. I did

738
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 7: enjoy the atmosphere or the vibe of a Monday night

739
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 7: football game like the week of Christmas. I mean, it's

740
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 7: pretty cool. But for the most part a failure. It failed.

741
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 7: They failed more often than they succeeded because they lost

742
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 7: more games than they won. And I'm sorry, but when

743
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 7: you're eight and two, I mean they set some history.

744
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 7: That's cool. You know, the first team to be six

745
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 7: games over five hundred and then finished five hundred or

746
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 7: under five hundred in the same season. Nobody's ever done

747
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 7: that before. That's cool. What are they the seventh team

748
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 7: to go from seven to one to out of the playoffs.

749
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 7: That's cool. Make a little history. But when I asked

750
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 7: for people to give me their twenty five words or

751
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 7: fewer to summarize the season, this from Daniel. It was

752
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 7: good until it wasn't. Taylor needs a quality quarterback to appear.

753
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 7: Great depth not there, late game coaching not there. Fire

754
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 7: everyone mark another mediocre season with Chris Ballard if he

755
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 7: remains employed by the Colts. What is the motivation for

756
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 7: fans to care next year? That's the thing. Here's the reality.

757
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 7: You're all still gonna go, right, You're still gonna go.

758
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 7: People all they people say all they want, I'm done

759
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 7: with this team? Are you cause you're gonna be terrified

760
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 7: that if you don't renew your season tickets, or you

761
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 7: don't go to games that all of a sudden somebody

762
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 7: else is gonna take that seat and then they get good.

763
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 7: I don't know if I could say this one on

764
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 7: the air or not. Jake, it was just one big

765
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 7: premature and then let's just say an issue that some

766
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 7: men struggle with.

767
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: Finish.

768
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 7: Yes, thank you premature finish Yes, That's exactly how it was.

769
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 7: Right of the many issues that there were, this from James.

770
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 7: The O line underperformed and the team will completely ignore it.

771
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 7: Many of them were below average at best. More of

772
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 7: the same. The Colts continue not being a serious NFL franchise.

773
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 7: You know, the I go back to what I said

774
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 7: at the beginning. You can tell me when you're hired

775
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 7: as the general manager of the Colts and you have

776
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 7: an elite quarterback in your Luck and I get it.

777
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard had to say it. You know, it's about

778
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 7: more than just one guy in this game. Of course,

779
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 7: he's going to say that because at that point he's

780
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 7: thinking to himself, my horizon, my peak, the glory that's

781
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 7: before me is going to be because I have a

782
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 7: generational quarterback and Andrew Luck. But when we're hoisting Lombardies

783
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 7: and we're winning trophies. I want people to know that

784
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 7: there were other pieces that had to be built around him,

785
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 7: and I want my credit. So I'm going to tell

786
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 7: you it's about more than just one guy, because if

787
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 7: it's about just one guy and we have the better

788
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 7: one than anybody out there, then anybody could run this

789
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 7: franchise and I cannot, in any way, shape or form

790
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 7: have that be thought. So I'm going to tell you

791
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 7: it's about more than one guy, and I'm going to

792
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 7: stand by that until at the end of my tenure

793
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 7: or towards the end of it. One would assume what

794
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 7: we thought was going to be the end of it.

795
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 7: If the quarterback goes down, I'm going to come out

796
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 7: and basically suddenly say it was about one guy. I

797
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 7: need to come back because it's about one guy. Our

798
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 7: quarterback went down and our season was done. All to

799
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 7: a good start. We had the guy and Daniel Jones,

800
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 7: we had the quarterback, whisper and Shane Steiken. Everything was

801
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 7: just humming along hunky Dory. Then all of a sudden,

802
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh just decided to blitz the heck out of us.

803
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 7: Somehow our quarterback ended up with a what we said

804
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 7: at the time wasn't going to be something that was

805
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 7: going to hold him back. Fracture in his leg that

806
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 7: turned it into a popped achilles and our season was

807
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 7: over because in the end it turned out it was

808
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 7: about one guy. I get it. Sauce Gardner was hurt,

809
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 7: Mooney Ward was hurt, the Forest Buckner was hurt. Ryman

810
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 7: and Braden Smith both were hurt. I mean, they had

811
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 7: key pieces that spent their time, their moment injured. But

812
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 7: for the most part, it came down to one guy,

813
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 7: partially because when he went down you didn't really have

814
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 7: a plan. Your plan might have been to go to

815
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 7: your former top five pick, except for that he was hurt.

816
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 7: But does anybody really feel like they would have been

817
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 7: confident in Anthony Richardson if that were the kid, they

818
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 7: would have reluctantly handed the keys back to him. Shane

819
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 7: Steiken wanted no part of that, and that, to me,

820
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 7: the biggest indictment for Chris Ballard is the fact that

821
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 7: there seemingly is no light at the end of the

822
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 7: tunnel from the situation they're in because he swung and

823
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 7: missed in his most important pick. He inherited Andrew Luck.

824
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 7: I don't know if you heard this or not, but

825
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 7: Andrew Luck retired prematurely. He inherited Andrew Luck. But the

826
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 7: most important selection that an NFL general manager will make

827
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 7: is when the time comes when they draft their franchise quarterback.

828
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 7: And he avoided that like the plague. I mean, he

829
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 7: avoided that like the plague. Chris Bowler was standing with

830
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 7: a bullhorn of the scouting combines going Andy Venturson a

831
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 7: cam cornerback for US, Matt Ryan Carson Wentz, which blew

832
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 7: up on them because the owner didn't like him. Philip

833
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 7: Rivers that they thought they'd get two years, and they did.

834
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 7: It just came five years apart from one another. And

835
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 7: then finally Daniel Jones, which panned out for him, but

836
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 7: that was after he had finally said, you know what,

837
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 7: I've kicked the can enough. I've got to go and

838
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 7: I've got to draft a franchise quarterback, just like I

839
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 7: need to draft a franchise edge rusher. And they have

840
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 7: yet to find the second one, and they hadn't found

841
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 7: the first because Anthony Richardson was a bust. He was

842
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 7: a bust, and yes, he might go somewhere else and

843
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 7: be a good player, but there is and I listen,

844
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 7: I told you at the time when they after the

845
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 7: tap out and then finally when they went away from

846
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 7: him as a starter like it's over, it's over. And

847
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 7: I know he got a couple more chances there, but

848
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 7: it was over. Shane Steichen, you could tell it. It

849
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 7: was over. Ovah, it was over. And that is an indictment.

850
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 7: I'm ballad and there are some reasons and justification for

851
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 7: him to come back, which I promise we'll get to

852
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 7: over the course of the show today as well. Now,

853
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 7: Alec Pierce, Alec Pierce said something very interesting yesterday and

854
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 7: before we bring on Chap, I want to play this.

855
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 7: Listen to what Alec Pierce said yesterday when he was

856
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 7: talking about being ejected from the game yesterday, and that

857
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 7: was a BS call. Our Buckle said it on the

858
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 7: radio broadcast. That was a BS call.

859
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: It was.

860
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 7: But listen to what Alec Pierce said yesterday. And Eddie

861
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 7: caught this in his trained ear on that huge melon

862
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 7: that he has, and this was a good catch on

863
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 7: what Alec Pierce had to say.

864
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: Listen, Yeah, it was difficult just knowing that this is

865
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: my last game.

866
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 9: Wasn't the way I wanted to finish, you know, as

867
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 9: a kind of like an abrupt ending.

868
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 7: To the season here and stuff.

869
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: So I wanted to be out there and finishing with

870
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: my brother too.

871
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 7: Wait, did he mean his last game of the season

872
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 7: or his last game as a cult? He certainly caught

873
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 7: himself there at the end he did. Was that a

874
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 7: Freudian slip? We got a little more clarification via things

875
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 7: said today, and I will play for you that clarification

876
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 7: of Mike Chapel joins us next. Okay, So when it

877
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 7: comes to help, could Daniel Jones do exactly that and

878
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 7: making sure the Colts retain Alec Pierce, that becomes the

879
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 7: big question because Alec Pierce yesterday you heard him say there,

880
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 7: he almost Freudian slipped it as if he thought that

881
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 7: was his last game as a cult. Now today Alec

882
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 7: Pierce rarified a little bit by saying, and I'm paraphrasing,

883
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 7: that having Daniel Jones here would go a long way.

884
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 7: It would go a long way, and having Alec Pierce

885
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 7: select the Colts is the place he wants to go.

886
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 7: Now they could obviously franchise tag him. He will be

887
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 7: an unrestricted free agent coming up in March talking about

888
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 7: Alec Pierce, who is going to demand big, big, big, big, big,

889
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 7: big time money. As for Daniel Jones, he's coming off

890
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 7: of the Achilles. That becomes the question then if Jones

891
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 7: is the key domino that leads towards Pierce being here.

892
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 7: I guess domino would be not the right term because

893
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 7: that would mean falling and this is not this is

894
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 7: about retaining. But if Daniel Jones being here is the

895
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 7: key to Alec Pierce wanting to be here in signing

896
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 7: a deal, then you ask the question of does Daniel

897
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 7: Jones want to be here? He talked about that with

898
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 7: reporters earlier today and.

899
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 12: Here working with coaching staff, here with the players. I

900
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 12: think it's a great organization and and uh, I've enjoyed

901
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 12: being here. So obviously there's a business side to it,

902
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 12: and uh understand that, but I've really enjoyed being here

903
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 12: around these people.

904
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,479
Speaker 9: Based on what you've been told, Whnley, you think you'll

905
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 9: be able to you know, come bash.

906
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 12: Uh, I mean I think obviously it's a it's a

907
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 12: long uh you know, it's a it's a long process

908
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 12: and recovery, and then there's a timeframe to it. You

909
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 12: got to check a lot of boxes along the way,

910
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 12: but I expect to be ready to go by training

911
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 12: camp and yeah, so we'll attack the process and and

912
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 12: h yeah, you're sure, I'm ready to go.

913
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 7: Have you taken anything from have you taken anything from

914
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 7: Aaron Rodgers experience and like, have you guys had a

915
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 7: chance to talk at all or Yeah?

916
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 12: I spoke to them actually the day I tore in Jacksonville,

917
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 12: and he was really helpful. He had a little bit

918
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 12: different uh surgery, I think, and and you know, his

919
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 12: recovery was a little bit different from than mine. But yeah,

920
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 12: very helpful and and I appreciate it. Is doing this

921
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 12: to the Office of Device.

922
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 7: Bob Kravitz and Stephen Holder asking those respective questions to

923
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones. And I think if you're Jones, you would

924
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,959
Speaker 7: think that he would want to come back here because

925
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 7: of the familiarity with the situation in particular, and as

926
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 7: you're going through that rehab process, probably would like to

927
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 7: be with the doctors that you were with when everything

928
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 7: took place, even though I know that they can go

929
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 7: externally obviously with that, but joining us to talk about

930
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 7: that and more. Now he is on the Java House.

931
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 7: Peel and Port guest line Mike Chappele of CBS four

932
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 7: and wxin box fifty nine joining us. Chap We've been

933
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 7: talking a lot over the course of today of I

934
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 7: don't think a big surprise about Chris Ballard and Shane

935
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 7: Steiken being retained. We will hear from Carly Ursa Gordon

936
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 7: coming up a little over an hour from now. Was

937
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 7: there anything today that has come out in discussion from

938
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 7: players or coaches that has been of surprise to you?

939
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 13: Not really, I mean you talked about Jones and Pierce.

940
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 13: People should understand those are prior. He's one and two

941
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 13: as far as retaining their own. The rest of them,

942
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 13: I mean, there's some good players in there, but they're

943
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 13: going to do everything they can to resign those two guys.

944
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 13: And as Chris Powler knows, if he if he lets

945
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 13: Alec Pierce get to free agency, he's gone. So this

946
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 13: is going to be one where Chris has him up

947
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 13: with a deal that that is probably overpaying what they

948
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 13: would normally want to pay because because Pierce knows if

949
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 13: he gets out there Buffalo, Kansas City, holy smokes, I mean,

950
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 13: there will be major suitors for him and they'll pay

951
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 13: top dollar more than what the Colts would pay probably,

952
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 13: and Jones is going to get done. It's the only

953
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 13: difference now was going to be will they mess with

954
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 13: the guaranteed money. You know, I've been looking, you know,

955
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 13: you look at the Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield three years,

956
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 13: one hundred million and whatever the guarantees were, fifty million.

957
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: I don't know.

958
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 13: Those two guys are part of the future. They in

959
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 13: my mind, they will be back and community in my mind,

960
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 13: there's really no question in that because I think the

961
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 13: Colts will do whatever they have to to get Pierced done.

962
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 13: The only thing that struck us in the lot in

963
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 13: the locker room too, they really, at least me, is

964
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 13: we talked to Mooney Warbs coming back from he's had

965
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 13: the three concussions this year. He was one of their

966
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 13: big off season signings and and he he just kind

967
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 13: of waffled on coming back. And you know, he he's

968
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 13: won of the Super Bowl, he's played in three Super

969
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 13: three Super Bowls, he's All Pro, he's Pro Bowl, he's

970
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 13: made sixty nine million dollars. Uh and and he's had

971
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 13: these migraines and headaches from the from the concussions, and

972
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 13: you know, he said, he bumped his head, you know,

973
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 13: was it last week or recently? And he said they

974
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 13: had a crazy headache from it. So that's and and

975
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 13: that's going to be a concern, he said. He said,

976
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 13: he told us that his dad's already told him to retire. Uh,

977
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 13: he said, I don't think I'm going to to do that.

978
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 13: But but but then the more that he talked, you wondered, Uh,

979
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 13: you know, he said, I've done all this, I've had

980
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 13: a great career, I've had the money and all this.

981
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 13: He wants to be a good father. He wants to

982
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 13: be a good man to his fiance. So whenever I

983
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 13: hear players talking like that, it just gives me pause.

984
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 13: I remember Marvel leaving the great Marvel Leeve. He said,

985
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 13: if you're thinking about retiring, you've already retired. And Mooney

986
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 13: Ward told us he after the second concussion that he

987
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 13: was having thoughts of retirement because because of how it

988
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 13: might impact his life. And this is the third one.

989
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 13: So he needs to make a decision in the next

990
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 13: two months because Baller needs to know what he's got

991
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 13: moving forward and how they're going to have to deal

992
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 13: with with wards guaranteed money. I think he counts I

993
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 13: can't win to water the numbers in front of me,

994
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 13: but he can't like eighteen million dollars in dead money

995
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 13: if he moves on, so it matters. That's the one

996
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 13: that obstructed more than anything is when one of your

997
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 13: major off season acquisitions is considering his long term future

998
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 13: that does not include football. So other than that, it

999
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 13: was a bunch of guys saying, you know, we were close,

1000
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 13: we just didn't get it done, which we've had way

1001
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 13: too many of those exit interviews in the last I

1002
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 13: don't know, eight ten.

1003
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 7: Years, chap I'm going to mention some individuals we now

1004
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 7: know Chris Ballard, Shanesteiken will be back in the twenty

1005
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 7: six NFL season for the Indianapolis Colts. Mike Chapels, CBS

1006
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 7: four wxin Fox fifty nine, my guest on the Joba

1007
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 7: House Peel and poor guest line. Let me mention to

1008
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 7: you some other people, and then you tell me, on

1009
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 7: a one to ten scale, ten being the most and

1010
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 7: one being the absolute least, the likelihood that you think

1011
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 7: they will be starting a game for the Indianapolis Colts

1012
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 7: next year. Okay, Okay, I'll begin with a guy that

1013
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 7: is in I believe the final year of a deal

1014
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 7: that is to pay him somewhere of around twenty nine million,

1015
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 7: and therefore there could be some cap maneuverability that takes

1016
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 7: place if they decided not to bring him back. Michael

1017
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 7: Pittman Jr.

1018
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: He comes back eight. Okay.

1019
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 7: Next, the guy that we just talked about in Alec

1020
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 7: Pierce unrestricted free agent. I believe that means they could

1021
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 7: tag him. That would have to be done. He becomes

1022
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 7: an unrestricted in March. Alec Pierce nine.

1023
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: And a half.

1024
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 7: Okay, Anthony Richardson final year of his deal.

1025
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: One to ten a half.

1026
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 13: Two, Because I don't want to say zero, and in

1027
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 13: my head I'm thinking of zero, but I'll say two.

1028
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 7: Well, I noticed that when you asked Shane stike In

1029
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 7: almost directly that question today. Stikeen immediately mentioned the eye injury.

1030
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 7: And I don't mean not to make light of that,

1031
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 7: but it agreed, right.

1032
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 13: I just think they in their mind somehow or other,

1033
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 13: and the fact that their banking on Jones being their

1034
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 13: starter next year, I see, I see no role for

1035
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 13: Riches and har and he probably he didn't say that

1036
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 13: the other day when we talked to him, but he

1037
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 13: probably wants to. He probably wants to be gone more

1038
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 13: than they want him gone. And I think this is

1039
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 13: a case where it will do both sides very well

1040
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 13: to move on. And I hope he goes somewhere else

1041
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 13: and has Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold's success. I don't

1042
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 13: see that ever happening here.

1043
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 7: DeForest Buckner, oh sticks.

1044
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 13: And it's only because the last tip of times we've

1045
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 13: talked to him, he's been he's been a little more

1046
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 13: cautionary about his career. And when you're dealing this is

1047
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 13: this is not the same. I've had feud and surgery

1048
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 13: my my lower back, and it just it just changes things.

1049
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 13: And this is this is a high end athlete, and

1050
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 13: he had surgery on an ernie and disc in his nick.

1051
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 13: We saw him that in the locker room briefly, and

1052
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 13: I think he will give serious consideration to retirement, but

1053
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 13: knowing how much he wants to play, maybe he tries it,

1054
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 13: but there will be some long call or some wrong

1055
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 13: late discussions with the wife and the family when when

1056
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 13: the time comes, this is not the time for him

1057
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 13: to decide. You know, as soon as the surgery and

1058
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 13: all you gotta lot, you gotta get away from it.

1059
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 13: But six, and I wish I could be more optimistic

1060
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 13: with than a sixth, but I can't.

1061
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 7: Okay, the following players that I'm gonna mention, like Alec Peerce,

1062
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 7: are unrestricted free agents when the new season begins in March. Okay,

1063
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 7: Taekwon Lewis two because you think he they've just moved on,

1064
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 7: or you think he will get a better offer elsewhere.

1065
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 13: I I think they'll they'll try to get younger at

1066
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 13: that rotational defensive line position.

1067
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 7: Quitd he pay the zero.

1068
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 13: One because I'm not going to go zero or ten one.

1069
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 13: I just think that they've seen him for five years

1070
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 13: and he is what he is, which isn't a bad player,

1071
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 13: but it's not what you want from a front draft pick.

1072
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 7: So I'll say one, moo, Ali Cox.

1073
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: Five.

1074
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 13: So how many times we've tried to say, well, he's

1075
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 13: done here and they're always thinking back because he's a

1076
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 13: darned He's a good player, he serves a good purpose,

1077
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 13: he knows his role, so you know, maybe they try

1078
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 13: to replace that height in room.

1079
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: But now I come back, tom oh, but five.

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Speaker 7: But you know the other thing about him too, Chap

1081
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 7: and I don't listen. I don't know him personally right.

1082
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 7: But but I've always felt this way. There are certain

1083
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 7: guys that always are going to get that benefit of

1084
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 7: doubt just because they're not locker room disruptors at all.

1085
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Speaker 7: And they they you know what I mean, they're they're

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Speaker 7: good guys there. They do what's asked. He strikes me

1087
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Speaker 7: as that type. Moley Cox that fair.

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01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but you still have to do something.

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Speaker 7: Well, I know I get that. But what I'm saying is.

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Speaker 1: What you're saying.

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Speaker 13: No, it's it's and I don't mean as a backhanding compliment,

1092
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 13: but it's like Jack Doyle, Man, you need two or

1093
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 13: three Jack Doyle's on your team, but you can't have

1094
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 13: too many players at that level. But for those guys

1095
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 13: serves such a purpose. He's you know, he's essentially an extra,

1096
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 13: an extra tackle, but he'll make some plays for you.

1097
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: So UH got to have those guys.

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Speaker 13: But I five and I think a go either way,

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01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 13: probably more so than he won't be back. But if

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Speaker 13: he's back, I won't I won't be surprised.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Now, the uh A couple others real quick, Nick Cross,

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01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 7: who I think started to play really well for him.

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Speaker 13: UH six, and he may be a casualty of when

1104
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 13: you have to pay Jones and he had to pay Pierces,

1105
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 13: I may not and you're already paying. Can't bine them

1106
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 13: big money. I don't know that you can sink another

1107
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 13: big contract into your other safety. And he's played well,

1108
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 13: he really has. He may be one of those guys

1109
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 13: that he simply can't afford to keep.

1110
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 7: Okay, The kicker situation is an interesting one because we

1111
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 7: know obviously it's easy to forget this. You know, Spencer

1112
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 7: Schrader got hurt at the beginning of the year in

1113
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 7: that Raiders game. Pete Carroll, by the way, fired today

1114
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 7: in Las Vegas, not because of that, but because they underperformed.

1115
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 7: But Blake Grupi, who I thought kicked well for them

1116
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 7: down the stretch. Is he gone or do they create

1117
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 7: a competition there?

1118
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 13: Probably two or three only because I think when teams

1119
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 13: start lining up their kickers for next year, maybe he

1120
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Speaker 13: gets a look see from somebody. That won't surprise me.

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01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 13: Talk to Spencer Strader today, and he is on target,

1122
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 13: he's ahead of schedule, and he will be their kicker,

1123
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 13: you know, not by default, but he'll be the front

1124
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 13: runner a kicker. And I just don't think the groupie

1125
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 13: will be available to him in the camp competition because

1126
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 13: he proved, he proved when he was here that in

1127
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 13: the right circumstances he's pretty good.

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Speaker 7: You know. The Eddie points out, Michael Pittman Junior twenty

1129
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 7: nine million next year, largest payroll on the team. It

1130
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 7: would be a five million dollar dead cap hit if

1131
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 7: they were to release him. In other words, they would

1132
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 7: still go against their cap for what they're not getting

1133
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 7: in return at five million. Is there a cost that

1134
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 7: he would be willing to come back if there was

1135
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 7: a restructure.

1136
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 13: Probably it would depend on Normally, restructures don't mean you're

1137
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 13: taking a pay cut, pushing money forward.

1138
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: Maybe an extension or backward load her.

1139
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 13: Yeah, and I'm not sure you can go to pitt

1140
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 13: and say, well, instead of twenty nine, how about sixteen?

1141
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 13: He'd tell you the pound sand So, but it would

1142
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 13: be detrimental to resign Pears and let Pittman go. I

1143
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 13: know we all wish Pittman was a little more of something,

1144
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 13: but he's really he's depending on I know he had

1145
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 13: he didn't finish the season strong. But if you get

1146
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 13: rid of if you get rid of pitt you better

1147
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 13: have somebody in mind to bring in, because then that

1148
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 13: puts too much of a load on Pierce to do

1149
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 13: more than what he's been and he's been really good

1150
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 13: at what he does. I would think there's play more

1151
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 13: of a chance of a restructure, of maybe some kind

1152
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 13: of a restructure or hit to where he still gets

1153
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 13: most of his money and you're not asking him to

1154
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 13: take a massive pay because I don't think he would

1155
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 13: take a pay cut a massive pay cut.

1156
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 7: The obvious question for Carl Ter say Gordon later that

1157
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 7: we're going to hear is going to be, you know

1158
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 7: what went into the decision to retain Chris Ballard and

1159
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 7: Shane Stikeen. What's the second most burning question.

1160
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 13: I guess, and what do you see the future of

1161
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 13: the team?

1162
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: Is this? Well?

1163
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 13: No, the second one would be is twenty twenty six winner?

1164
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 13: Else is the playoffs are?

1165
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: Else?

1166
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 13: Did you did you do this with the idea that

1167
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 13: you know? Because remember she told us last in June that,

1168
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 13: like our dad said, you know the things you have

1169
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 13: to fix, is it you fix them or or we're

1170
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 13: gonna blow it up next year? And we've all talked

1171
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 13: about how it's going to be an easier It's never easy,

1172
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 13: but it'll be an easier reset for somebody next year

1173
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 13: if this coming season doesn't go well, because you got

1174
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 13: a lot of a lot of significant contracts up, you know,

1175
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 13: the Quinton Nelson's and people like that, Pittman and Jonathan

1176
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 13: Taylor and on and on. So uh, yeah, it's okay

1177
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 13: you brought them back. And again the first question is

1178
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 13: you w why? I mean, it's pretty simple, just why.

1179
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 13: But but then it's did it come back with with

1180
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 13: a with the caveat caveat that you and you better

1181
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 13: make the playoffs just just doing nine and eight it's

1182
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 13: not going to cut it. So that that's and again,

1183
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 13: if I'm not mistaken, Crystal to be in the last

1184
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 13: service contract, it's never great to have a lame duck

1185
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 13: in anything seconds under contract for three more years.

1186
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: So why?

1187
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 13: And then are there is everybody back with a win

1188
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 13: or else.

1189
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: Demand?

1190
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 7: Okay, here's the big one, chap in terms of those

1191
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 7: we're talking with, Mike Chapel of CBS four and WXA

1192
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 7: and Fox fifty nine. In terms of those with the

1193
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 7: Colts or around the Colts for twenty twenty six one

1194
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 7: to ten scale of return, how about this one, Mike Chapel.

1195
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'll be back house tement to pet and my

1196
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 13: check's still clear from Fox fifty nine CBS four.

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01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: Thank god.

1198
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 13: You know, got great great place to work, and as

1199
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 13: I'm serious, it's a great place to work for us. Yeah,

1200
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 13: another couple of years and and then what we'll say.

1201
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 7: Now here's the thing. We have a lie detector that

1202
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 7: takes place here at the station where when somebody is fibbing,

1203
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 7: it speeds their voice up. And I believe that that's

1204
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 7: a great place to work in that you're going to

1205
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 7: be back. But I don't know about the house pavement part.

1206
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 7: I think the house is paid off.

1207
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 13: Do you still don't you guys get that sixty chip?

1208
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 13: I mean, this is, this is twenty twenty six. For

1209
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 13: crying out, lab, I can give you my tech guy

1210
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 13: that I at AT and T and he can probably

1211
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 13: hit you guys out right now. I mean, this is

1212
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 13: this isn't like nineteen eighty but all this stuff so

1213
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 13: good lord, Why don't you guys enter the new world

1214
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 13: and gets your equipment fixed?

1215
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 14: If you can head affectionately too, If you can hear

1216
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 14: how that sounded, cheez, you sound like you sound like

1217
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 14: Alvin when he didn't get his hula hoop for Christmas

1218
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 14: from the Chipmunks.

1219
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 13: But as I said last week, I'm just slad. I'm

1220
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 13: able to give you guys some comic relief. And please

1221
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 13: don't have this song on the air when I'm driving

1222
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 13: down the road because I'll either drive them into a

1223
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 13: Semini or something.

1224
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 7: All right, Chap, we appreciated as always. Man, you've burned

1225
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 7: that nose light over and I over ice.

1226
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll come. Maybe we'll talk to you next week.

1227
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1228
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 7: All right, sounds good, Chap, appreciate it. Mike Chaplin joining

1229
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 7: us on the program. There's nothing like a guy defending

1230
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 7: his vocal honor while sounding like he's in a helium tank. Right,

1231
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 7: I mean, what more can you say? All you can

1232
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 7: do at that point is just giggle at it, right,

1233
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 7: That's all you can do is giggle at it. Now,

1234
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 7: we're going to play the press conference later. What time

1235
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 7: do we eddie? At this point? Think that's going to

1236
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 7: be around two thirty, right.

1237
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 9: Yes, tentatively scheduled for two thirty, But you know how

1238
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 9: the scenes go, Jake.

1239
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1240
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 15: Oftentimes running behind.

1241
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard usually was about ten minutes late, right, But

1242
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 7: we will whenever it does take place sometime coming up

1243
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 7: in the two o'clock hour, we will carry for you

1244
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 7: the press conference from West fifty, the owner and CEO

1245
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 7: of the Indianapolis Colts, addressing what we now know in

1246
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,839
Speaker 7: the fact that the top brass is back Chris Ballard.

1247
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 7: Shane Steichen all right, I had promised you that I

1248
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 7: would spell out the reasons why Chris Ballard should come

1249
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 7: back in the sake of fairness. Devil's advocate perhaps or

1250
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 7: angel's advocate in this case. His career record of seventy

1251
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 7: seventy nine and one, no division titles, and yes, he

1252
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 7: was dealt a curveball with the Andrew Luck retirement, but

1253
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 7: there's been more than enough time since that. I do

1254
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 7: think that it is fair to point out football is

1255
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 7: a game of ebb and flow, and it is true

1256
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 7: that when the Colts were off to the seven and

1257
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 7: one start, ultimately eight and two, did they get fat

1258
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 7: off bad teams Miami Tennessee the Raiders, They did, but

1259
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 7: they also had impressive games in there as well. The Chargers.

1260
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 7: They went out and thoroughly took care of the Rams.

1261
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 7: They should have beaten in Los Angeles the Broncos. Maybe

1262
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 7: they should have lost because of that weird call at

1263
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 7: the end, but nonetheless they beat the Broncos. And during

1264
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 7: the time that that was all happening, there were two

1265
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 7: things that were leading to that, one being very good

1266
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 7: quarterback play from Daniel Jones and one being as we

1267
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 7: talked about at the time. And it is fair to

1268
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 7: Chris Ballor to bring it back up, the depth. Maybe

1269
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 7: not depth, but the totality of the roster. I don't

1270
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 7: know if you'd go with depth, because once they got hurt,

1271
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 7: you know, they did have challenges with the quote unquote

1272
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 7: next man up. But in terms of their starting roster,

1273
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 7: the quality of depth, well, but yeah, the quality of

1274
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 7: depth is where I would have issue, is what I'm saying.

1275
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 7: But the totality of roster in the fact that it

1276
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 7: was balanced and they were able, especially offensively. They were

1277
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 7: elite for a long time there, but they were able

1278
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 7: to go out and put together that record And what

1279
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 7: did we say at the time, We're like, you know what,

1280
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 7: this is a good roster. And then they made the

1281
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 7: trade for Sauce Gardner and I think in the end

1282
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 7: that's one that they probably would like to have back.

1283
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 7: And I may completely change that tune Sauce Gardner is

1284
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 7: clearly an elite talent. I mean, I don't think there's

1285
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 7: any question about that, But for what they gave up

1286
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:53,839
Speaker 7: to get him, you wonder if they will have seller's

1287
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 7: remorse there or buyer's remorse in this case, I guess

1288
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 7: they sold away the two first round picks. But nonetheless,

1289
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 7: if you were playing devil's advocate, and if this were

1290
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 7: high school speech class and debate class, and you were

1291
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 7: assigned the debate of defending the decision to retain Chris Ballard,

1292
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Speaker 7: you would say, when they were healthy, they had a

1293
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 7: roster that was being praised, and they had a quarterback that, yes,

1294
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 7: was not his initial franchise quarterback draft selection, but give

1295
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 7: him credit for finding a quarterback that works well with

1296
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 7: the head coach that he had brought in. And the

1297
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 7: combination of those two together for the better half of

1298
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 7: the year was very very good until injury. And so therefore,

1299
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 7: when you look at the elite level of offensive play

1300
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 7: they were getting out of Daniel Jones, out of Tyler Warren,

1301
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 7: out of Jonathan Taylor, then you would look at it

1302
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 7: and say, in fact, injuries other reason that they were

1303
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 7: not able to contend, Do I believe if Daniel Jones

1304
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 7: had stayed healthy for the totality of the year, that

1305
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 7: they would be Denver or New England or dare I

1306
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 7: say it, Jacksonville. Maybe not, but I certainly think that

1307
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 7: they were as good as with that I'm saying, even

1308
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 7: if they'd come down to earth a little bit, they're

1309
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 7: still certainly as good as And I know Pittsburgh won

1310
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 7: their division, but you know they would have been ten, eleven,

1311
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 7: twelve right in that category, right, So there was the

1312
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 7: body of work of competency. I'm not saying superlative, but

1313
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 7: of competency, And so I do understand as well for

1314
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 7: carl Ers Gordon and one of the things that we

1315
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 7: talked about off the top of the show that I

1316
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 7: think cannot be overlooked. Eddie, you brought it up. I

1317
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 7: think it's a very good point. You are talking about

1318
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 7: a woman and her sisters that are now have ascended

1319
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 7: to the ownership level at the very top of the franchise. Yes,

1320
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 7: they have been listed as co owners for quite some time,

1321
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 7: but the financial structures and obligation from a tax standpoint

1322
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:30,839
Speaker 7: that take place during a familial transition and bequeath nature

1323
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 7: and look no further than the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. I

1324
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 7: mean the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. I don't know this, but

1325
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 7: I think I'm pretty confident in saying that that speedway

1326
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 7: for the home and George family, you know, they meant

1327
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 7: everything to them, and I mean that in a good way.

1328
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 7: I mean they loved everything about it, and I think

1329
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 7: they would have loved They never had the intention to sell,

1330
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 7: but it came down to a financial situation from the

1331
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,839
Speaker 7: a state tax that takes place from a federal obligation,

1332
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 7: not state federal. If you look at the fact that

1333
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 7: the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Corporation and Penske Entertainment just sold

1334
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 7: one third of that property to the Fox Broadcast Network.

1335
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 7: I'm not in those meetings, but it would make perfect

1336
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 7: sense if the reason they did that is so that

1337
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 7: they then just set the baseline on what the federal

1338
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 7: valuation would be of the value of the franchise for

1339
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 7: when the time comes that there is an inheritance that

1340
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 7: passes along the Indianapolis Motor Speedway franchise from Roger Penske

1341
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 7: to his you know, presumably his son or his sons

1342
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 7: or his family. They just set Roger Penske just set

1343
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 7: the baseline on what the value is because he sold

1344
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 7: one third of it and it's public was what was

1345
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 7: purchased what it was purchased for. All I'm saying is

1346
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 7: there are a lot of complications, well beyond my financial

1347
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 7: understanding and capability that go into that. I have no

1348
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 7: reason to believe that the Ersa Daughters are going to

1349
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 7: be in a situation where they need to sell the franchise.

1350
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 7: Please do not misunderstand that that's what I'm saying. What

1351
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 7: I'm saying is I would also assume, though from a

1352
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:27,440
Speaker 7: business standpoint, there is a lot of paperwork and technicality

1353
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 7: to wade through that would, for the time being, make

1354
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 7: it such that you would say, I need the football

1355
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 7: operations standpoint right now to just carry on as is

1356
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 7: because I have other fish to fry right now. And

1357
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 7: if that's the case, then you would go with You

1358
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 7: would look at it and say, my general manager is

1359
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 7: under contract for one more year. He's a guy that

1360
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 7: I've known for a long time. I have worked with them.

1361
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 7: I am sitting there, I have the headsets on. I'm

1362
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 7: in the meeting. Carly Ors Gordon would know more about

1363
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 7: the inner workings of what takes place inside the building

1364
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 7: than anyone else. And so for that standpoint, I do

1365
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 7: understand the familiarity aspect of there's nothing overly egregious that

1366
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,480
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard has done other than the lack of performance

1367
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 7: of the football team. That would be the and that's egregious.

1368
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 7: Don't get me wrong. Now, I think I've been very

1369
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 7: clear about the standpoint that I think it's time for

1370
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 7: new leadership. I do, and I think most people agree

1371
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 7: with me. But I also understand and can see that

1372
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 7: there are certain pillars of legitimacy to pointing otherwise in

1373
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 7: the direction that she has decided to go. But at

1374
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 7: two three nine ten seventy, I'd like to know your thoughts.

1375
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 7: I'd like to know your thoughts. People tell me all

1376
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 7: the time. I'm watching the game, I'm watching afterwards, I'm

1377
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 7: seeing the press conferences, I'm reading the clippings, and I'm

1378
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 7: I'm mad. I want this herd or I have a question,

1379
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 7: I want this answered. Whatever it is your opinion on it,

1380
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 7: now's the time at two three nine, ten seventy. And yes,

1381
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 7: there is a collegiate team in the state that is

1382
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 7: absolutely at the top of the game and cleaning things up,

1383
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 7: one of football and one of basketball. We'll get to

1384
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 7: that as well. Hey, Jake, this from Allen. Anthony Richardson

1385
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 7: is definitely not a bust. Colts management completely mishandled him.

1386
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 7: He is twenty three. Management repeatedly said he needs reps.

1387
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 7: Then they bring in someone to split reps with him

1388
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 7: in camp. They look like a clown show. That's fair.

1389
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 7: I mean, that is a fair critique of the way

1390
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 7: they handled it. But I think you could say, based

1391
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 7: on what they had invested in other words, it's not

1392
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 7: on him. I'm not saying that he's going to be

1393
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 7: a bust altogether. He busted for the Colts, though you

1394
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 7: could make this certainly say it's because of the way

1395
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 7: the Colts handled it. Totally fair, and I'm not saying

1396
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 7: that he is JaMarcus Russell. I'm not saying that he's

1397
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 7: Johnny Man. I mean, I think he's talented, but I

1398
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 7: also think that his maturity was such that Shane Styken

1399
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 7: just I think there very clearly was some sort of

1400
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 7: a miscommunication or misfire between Shane Stikeen and Anthony Richardson,

1401
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 7: and Stiken just wanted no part of it after a while.

1402
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 7: Two nine ten seventy is the telephone number. We will

1403
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 7: begin with Ed, Ed. How are you?

1404
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 16: Oh, I'm doing just fine?

1405
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 7: Good? Which are in your mind?

1406
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 17: Thanks?

1407
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 13: First off?

1408
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 16: First off, I think they need to go to Salem,

1409
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 16: Massachusetts and find the witch and put the spell on

1410
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 16: the Coles after the play game.

1411
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 7: Good point, and that would be the air. Yeah, those

1412
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 7: witches and Salem are all Patriots fans, right.

1413
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 16: You got it?

1414
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 4: All right?

1415
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 16: I had a Coles fan since Johnny Unitas and Ural

1416
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 16: Moral and Super Bowl against Suggests, so.

1417
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: I followed him by some Kizo ballard.

1418
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 13: You gotta go.

1419
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 16: I'm sorry, I'm not really upset about the first round

1420
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 16: draft fixed this tell me the last you really hit

1421
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 16: on one. At least they know what they got this time.

1422
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 7: I mean Tyler Warren obviously, But yes, I understand what

1423
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,839
Speaker 7: you're saying. I mean, you got you know he's certainly

1424
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 7: if those are picks he was going to use on

1425
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 7: pass rush, Ed, then you would say to yourself, I mean,

1426
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:21,440
Speaker 7: good lord, you know you quit he pay Leatu Latu,

1427
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 7: you know, and I thought Leatu Latu and he he's

1428
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 7: just a guy, right, I thought he was going to

1429
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 7: be an elite level player, and you look at the

1430
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 7: others that were there and available, because I always say

1431
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 7: this when people talk about in the NBA in particular,

1432
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 7: and maybe I'm speaking out of both sides of my mouth,

1433
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 7: because they'd have to look and see, you know, Will

1434
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 7: Levis certainly wasn't an option at the quarterback spot when

1435
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 7: they took Anthony Richardson. Maybe they could have moved up

1436
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 7: to try to get Stroud. But when people talk about

1437
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 7: the A Draft and they say, well, that guy's a bust,

1438
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 7: and it's like, yeah, but who would you look at

1439
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 7: who was selected after them? And in lat Two's case,

1440
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 7: being first defensive player taking to that draft, there were

1441
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 7: some studs there.

1442
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 9: The best defensive player, the best edge rusher in the draft.

1443
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 9: Correct Chris Paler's words. He did he say edge or

1444
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 9: defensive player? He said edge, didn't he?

1445
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 15: He said the best pass rusher. I think, yeah, there

1446
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 15: was an expletive.

1447
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: And the right Yeah. Yeah.

1448
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 7: Mo from Ohio, Hey, Mo, just out of curiosity, I'm

1449
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 7: just curious real quick, MO, if you could, since you're

1450
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 7: in Ohio, are you in a situation where you can

1451
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 7: look outside? Are you near a window by any chance?

1452
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1453
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 11: Looking right now?

1454
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 7: Okay, I just need some sort of a check. Here

1455
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,719
Speaker 7: are people still on the ground after the Ohio State

1456
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 7: game against Miami or have they gotten up and now

1457
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 7: they're back to walking around?

1458
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 11: They're out and there's nobody around. I don't see anybody

1459
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 11: walking right now, Harley sunny Day, I mean the day itself,

1460
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 11: and so, uh, we're in high school basketball right now,

1461
01:21:58,120 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 11: so everything else kind of got to go out the

1462
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 11: way though.

1463
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 7: All right, fair enough, what your thought on the game are?

1464
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 7: On the custom something is?

1465
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 11: I thought I thought maybe they would get rid of

1466
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 11: Ballard and keep Stike. And the reason I can that

1467
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 11: was because of the Jones connection. I never really thought

1468
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 11: Jake about the idea of the financial thing and how

1469
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 11: messed up it is about an ank something as big

1470
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 11: as an NFL franchise, and that makes makes a lot

1471
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 11: of sense. My only complaint about Ballard is the continuation.

1472
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 11: And everybody come says you won't get a GM was

1473
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 11: because the first round fixed. I say that's not.

1474
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: True, because job security.

1475
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 11: Here is awesome. You could be here forever.

1476
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 7: That's a fabulous point. That's a that's a great point. Hey,

1477
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 7: come here, ten year process. If you haven't won the

1478
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 7: division in ten years, no problem, You'll get eleventh.

1479
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: Right.

1480
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 7: I mean that's a very good point, you know, the

1481
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 7: and I kind of agree on the when you think

1482
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 7: to yourself stiking and you know, hey, maybe maybe you

1483
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 7: keep stiking and you fire Ballad. But then you wonder

1484
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,719
Speaker 7: from a GM standpoint, and I know there's probably precedent,

1485
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 7: but from a GM standpoint, how many is it more

1486
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 7: difficult to get a general manager if they know that

1487
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 7: they are inheriting the coach and they can't go out

1488
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 7: and get the coach of their choice.

1489
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: You can ask Miami, what's that?

1490
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1491
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 7: Exactly right.

1492
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 15: Sounds like that's what they're doing with Mike McDaniel.

1493
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 7: Which is I'm McDaniel. He kind of is the Chris

1494
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 7: Ballad of coaches, is he not?

1495
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 16: Well?

1496
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, at this point? Brian up next? Hi, Brian, how

1497
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 7: are you?

1498
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine.

1499
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 3: I think they just got to get rid of both that.

1500
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 3: Don't start over, it's ridiculous.

1501
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 7: Okay, Brian, let me ask you a couple questions. You ready, Yes,

1502
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 7: How old a fella are you? If you don't mind

1503
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 7: me asking, I'm sixty seven sixty seven? Okay?

1504
01:23:58,880 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 4: And uh?

1505
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 7: Are you an Indie native? Brian?

1506
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 2: Yes, but I've lived in Morgan County the last thirty years.

1507
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 7: Okay, and are you a season ticket holder? I know

1508
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:13,560
Speaker 7: because the reason I ask, and I mean this and

1509
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 7: this is this guy sound like I'm calling you out.

1510
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 7: That's not what I meant. Would you be less like?

1511
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: Like?

1512
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 7: Will you still go to games? Would you still buy tickets?

1513
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 7: Or are you done with it?

1514
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 3: I still buy tickets?

1515
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 7: See, And that's the thing, Brian, and.

1516
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 14: I still like the cold so much.

1517
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: My team.

1518
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 7: I got you, Okay, I can appreciate it. I can

1519
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 7: certainly appreciate it. Brian appreciate the call on more. Larry

1520
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 7: joins us, Larry, what's going on?

1521
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1522
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,679
Speaker 1: Oh Man, just a disappointed see shaying.

1523
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 17: Gotta go Beller, Gotta go Beller missed out on not

1524
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 17: only players, he missed out on superior superior coaches, the

1525
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 17: Miko Ryans and Mike Vou Mike Babril. He had a

1526
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 17: chance to get both of them and passed on them,

1527
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 17: his decision.

1528
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: Making making ridiculous.

1529
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 17: I've been a fan since nineteen eighty nine, and the

1530
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 17: coach fans, they we feel like they don't care about us.

1531
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 17: And on top of that, I don't think the media

1532
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 17: gives them a hard time. And he makes their job easier.

1533
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 17: We need somebody that'say media, that's going to give them

1534
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 17: the hard questions and stand up and say, hey, fans

1535
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 17: are disappointed. There's six we had thoughts to get to

1536
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 17: the super Bowl. Now we're just mediocre like we are

1537
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 17: every year and it's Sickney and I'm just disgusted.

1538
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 7: You sound like a nice guy. Are you a native

1539
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 7: to Ndy?

1540
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: Larry?

1541
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 11: Oh?

1542
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 17: Fort Wayne, Indiana?

1543
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 7: Fort What are you in Fort Wayne?

1544
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 4: Right now?

1545
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, that's the Summit City, Isn't that right? Fort Wayne?

1546
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 7: The Sun City?

1547
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yes?

1548
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 17: It is?

1549
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 7: And that's that mad Anthony Hatter. That's whether the mad Ants?

1550
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 7: Is that right?

1551
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 17: Man, Anthony Wayne?

1552
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 7: Man, Anthony Wayne.

1553
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: That's what man.

1554
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 7: I go with Anthony Hatter because I always think of'

1555
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 7: I'm Alison One or anything. Yeah, Mad Anthony Wayne, the

1556
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 7: mad Ants. But the mad Ants are now down here

1557
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 7: and they're the boom? Right?

1558
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1559
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 7: What high school, Larry? What high school in Fort Wayne

1560
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 7: look like? North Side? Let me tell you something. They

1561
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 7: had no baseline. I hated playing at Northside because the

1562
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 7: fans were right there. You try to inbound the ball

1563
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 7: and people are pulling hairs out of your leg. It

1564
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 7: was like an you know what I'm talking about.

1565
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 17: Yeah, you're right there on the fans can actually touch you.

1566
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 7: Well, I know, I know, all right, Larry. I appreciate

1567
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 7: the call man, call anytime. All right, thank you. Keep

1568
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 7: it real up in the fort.

1569
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 16: Uh.

1570
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 4: I turn around.

1571
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 7: We're in our new studios here and I look over

1572
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 7: and here himself is Father Christmas, who who usually is

1573
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 7: handing out toys to kids, and today it's Pacer tickets.

1574
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 7: I believe Paris is here in the building. Emp.

1575
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: How are you?

1576
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 2: Life is beautiful man? Happy new Year to you and

1577
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 2: your new digs.

1578
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: Man.

1579
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 7: I like this, So let's first. I want to get

1580
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 7: to this because we had you on beforehand. How did

1581
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 7: things go in terms of brightening Christmas for some kids?

1582
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 18: It was absolutely amazing, man, and I appreciate you for

1583
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 18: giving me the opportunity to get the information out there

1584
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 18: to our community. It's the am Paris and Reggie Winge

1585
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 18: put a smile on a child's face for Christmas. Toy

1586
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 18: giveaway is what Jake is talking about. That we host

1587
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 18: at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and we served over like

1588
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 18: four hundred it was close to five hundred families that

1589
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 18: we served in like eleven hundred kids.

1590
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 7: Eleven hundred kids this year. It gets bigger every year, right, Yeah,

1591
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 7: it would originally set one thousand, and then it became

1592
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 7: eleven hundred, right, twelve hundred next year.

1593
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean, well, we had twelve hundred that registered,

1594
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 18: and I put a limit on it because you know,

1595
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 18: that's a lot of work. We're there literally, and shout

1596
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 18: out to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway man and the generosity

1597
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 18: that they showed me and my foundation. But we're there

1598
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 18: for two weeks prepping and putting it all together, and

1599
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 18: we're there like literally, like it's a job eight hours

1600
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 18: a day for two weeks.

1601
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 7: And you gave out pacer tickets today, right.

1602
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 2: So we gave out pacer tickets today. As part of that,

1603
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:11,560
Speaker 2: I had.

1604
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 18: Some overages, and typically what I like to do is,

1605
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 18: you know, I got to shout out the Pacers, Pacers

1606
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 18: sports and entertainment. But the overages is what I do

1607
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 18: in the new year, the first season, the first game,

1608
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 18: typically first or second game of the new year, we

1609
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 18: give out tickets.

1610
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 2: And so today we gave out like four.

1611
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 18: Hundred tickets in front of the radio station to families

1612
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 18: of four to go see the Pacers play the Cleveland

1613
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 18: Cavaliers tomorrow night.

1614
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 7: Tomorrow night at the field House Pacers and Calves. I

1615
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 7: knew it because I pulled in and the line was

1616
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 7: wrapped around like down to half way down past the library.

1617
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 17: Right.

1618
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 18: Yeah, we started, I mean we started at twelve, but

1619
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 18: people got in line. And it shows the energy that

1620
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 18: people still have about the Pacers. And it's funny we're

1621
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 18: talking about the Coats and you know, people are up

1622
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 18: in arms talking about Chris Ballad and Shane, and you know,

1623
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:02,759
Speaker 18: I think Indianapolis as a whole, we've gotten spoiled.

1624
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 2: We got spoiled with the Pacers the last two years.

1625
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:10,480
Speaker 18: We've gotten spoiled with the Coats, and you know, sometimes

1626
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 18: we don't look at it. And I'm and for me, Jake,

1627
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:17,480
Speaker 18: and you notice personally, I'm so involved in both organizations,

1628
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 18: with the organization as well as the players. So you know,

1629
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:23,759
Speaker 18: if you don't mind, like when they talk about Shane

1630
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 18: and Chris, like when we were eight and two, seven

1631
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 18: and one or seven and two, whatever it was eight

1632
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 18: and two, everybody was keep Shane and Chris is doing

1633
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 18: an amazing job.

1634
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 2: But are you a fairweather fan or you're a Colts fan.

1635
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 7: I think the thing and I understand it, and I'm

1636
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 7: not saying that you're I'm playing Devil's advocate here right, right.

1637
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 7: It was the body of work going into it into

1638
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 7: that year, right, and the totality of it. I mean

1639
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 7: that's where and then the Pacer side of things, you're right,

1640
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 7: because the Pacers, you look at it and you go, okay,

1641
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 7: well they're they're not playing well, but it's because of injuries.

1642
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 7: So why does that stick with one franchise not the other?

1643
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 7: I think for the Pacers it's because of just what

1644
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 7: they where, they just were and now we understand how

1645
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 7: much that glue guy in Haliburton is and then you know,

1646
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 7: top and not being their niece, meth not being there.

1647
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 7: And then I also think to myself, okay, are they

1648
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 7: now like juggling this to make sure and secure that

1649
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 7: they get a top five pick? You know, that discussion

1650
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 7: for another time, but you got time to stick around

1651
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 7: real quick, right, We'll take a quick recess. We'll come

1652
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 7: back an Paris is in the studio with us Carlie

1653
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 7: orse Gordon coming up two o'clock hour. We will carry

1654
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 7: it for you live and Paris is in studio. He

1655
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 7: was giving out pacer tickets earlier. We're talking about Chris Ballard,

1656
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 7: Shane Steichen returning with the Indianapolis Colts and AMP. You

1657
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 7: and I were just talking. We were just talking during

1658
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 7: the break about this one of the things that I

1659
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 7: have thought about. And I don't know. I mean, you

1660
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,719
Speaker 7: know some of these central players probably on a different

1661
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:59,560
Speaker 7: level than do I. But I can understand and respect

1662
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 7: if Carlie or s Gordon right now, as in a

1663
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 7: new position, wanted familiarity until she has better understanding. And

1664
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 7: I mean that is no knock on her. You and

1665
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 7: I would be in the same spot if you're has

1666
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,799
Speaker 7: better understanding of everything that goes into running a franchise.

1667
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 7: You think there's any You seem to think that there

1668
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 7: could be some truth to that.

1669
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 18: I think it's truth with anybody that walks into a

1670
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 18: new situation, especially the way that Carly was presented with

1671
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 18: this unexpectedly. You got to think about the familiarity is

1672
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 18: really important. So imagine if you to the way the

1673
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 18: fans will say, just clean house and give it to everybody.

1674
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 2: So then you have a new owner, then that.

1675
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 18: New owner has to come in with a new coach,

1676
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 18: new general manager, completely new system, and based off of

1677
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 18: the way that our season started, why would one think

1678
01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:00,640
Speaker 18: that we couldn't duplicate that and replicate that minus to injuries?

1679
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 2: Where would we be?

1680
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 18: We know we would be in the playoffs minus Daniel

1681
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 18: Jones going down. I mean, you think about the injuries

1682
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 18: in the way that they happened.

1683
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 7: Do you think Jones in totality of season was going

1684
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 7: to be the player that he started out or did

1685
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 7: we buy into a little bit of a superman that

1686
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 7: was starting to come back come down to where still

1687
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 7: a good player, but not to the level that we

1688
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 7: saw in like say weeks you know one through six.

1689
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 2: Now, what I think is the system yeah, worked for him.

1690
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 7: I think when notably Shane Styken, right.

1691
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 18: Absolutely, he's a quarterback coach and you know it's it's

1692
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 18: not And I'm gonna say this because I've been having

1693
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 18: these kind of conversations with players and different people. It's

1694
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 18: not an indictment against Anthony Richardson, but when you think

1695
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 18: about the system that Shane built, I think Daniel Jones

1696
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 18: was built better for that system than Anthony Richardson was.

1697
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 7: Okay, showcasing which aspect.

1698
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 2: First and foremost up top the mental capacity.

1699
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 13: You know.

1700
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 2: Once it's like the Michael Jordan theory.

1701
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 18: At some point the game is ninety percent mental, ten

1702
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 18: percent physical. Anthony Richardson, it was ninety percent physical ten

1703
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 18: percent mental, right now?

1704
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 7: Do you now by that? Do you mean that in

1705
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 7: your estimation? Anthony Richardson? And this is not met as

1706
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:25,719
Speaker 7: a knock the lack of intellectual capability to quickly process

1707
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,560
Speaker 7: or the overall just maturity of understanding.

1708
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 18: I think it's a combination of the two. You know,

1709
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 18: when you when and again it's not just that there

1710
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 18: are there.

1711
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 7: Are veteran quarterbacks have been around a long time that

1712
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:40,600
Speaker 7: never grasped the intellectual So I'm not that's not to

1713
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 7: say he's not an intellectual guy. It's to say football

1714
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 7: intellect is not there yet.

1715
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean you got to think about it.

1716
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 18: That comes with years of experience, that comes with coaching,

1717
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,679
Speaker 18: that comes with this kid basically played what two years

1718
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 18: of organized football at that level, So you can't expect

1719
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 18: was he given too much too soon? That was all

1720
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 18: always my thing, right handed in the keys, right out

1721
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 18: the gate, So we don't know what we were building.

1722
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 18: And that's what I'm saying when you think about Carly

1723
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 18: and what she has to deal with for next season.

1724
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 18: Do you walk into a situation and you just make

1725
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 18: all of these subtle changes. It would be one thing

1726
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 18: if we started a season two and eight, then I understand, okay,

1727
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,799
Speaker 18: blow it all up, but you could see the promise

1728
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 18: in what this team can do.

1729
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 7: Is it fair to say that a quality general manager

1730
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 7: would have had depth at positions to sustain the injuries

1731
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 7: they had?

1732
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 18: You know what's so crazy, I gid you not. I

1733
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 18: think that is not just a situation. It's almost like

1734
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 18: an Indiana thing in sports.

1735
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 1: With me.

1736
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 18: I think the Pacers suffered from the same thing. You

1737
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 18: have backup players that are similar to the starters. There

1738
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 18: is no shift and when you change a backup to

1739
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 18: the starter. For example, when Allen Iverson was who he was,

1740
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 18: we know the style of play that he plays with

1741
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 18: reckless abandonment. But then when they needed to slow the

1742
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 18: game down based on playing a more polished team, Eric

1743
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 18: snow got the ball right. We didn't have that we

1744
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 18: went in As from the coach perspective, I thought, and

1745
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 18: I you know, Reggie and I would have these conversations

1746
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 18: as well as other players.

1747
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 2: So I got again, I got a little bit.

1748
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 18: You know, when we're talking about the defensive side of

1749
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 18: the ball, I could ask Robert Mathis and Dwight Freedi,

1750
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 18: like why did this particular lineman, this this safety or

1751
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 18: this cornerback or this d lineman, why did he take

1752
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 18: that route? And so I can get that institutional knowledge.

1753
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 18: But being around the game as long as I have,

1754
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 18: and that's why I said from a business side, we

1755
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 18: operate off emotions as fans.

1756
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 2: So the first thing we do is it's not going

1757
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 2: our way. Blow it up.

1758
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 18: But eight and two everybody was like coach, coach coats,

1759
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 18: So I don't want them to blow it up. I

1760
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 18: think Carly is doing herself a justice by keeping that familiarity.

1761
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 2: Going back to that so that you know what you

1762
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 2: are walking into.

1763
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 7: Do you believe that they have been given another year

1764
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 7: and more Chris than Shane? But do you believe that's

1765
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 7: because Carlie orse Gordon truly believes that he is the

1766
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:20,799
Speaker 7: long term operator that she wants, or because she needs

1767
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 7: someone to strictly keep in the same lane for right

1768
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 7: now until she can then further dive into it.

1769
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 18: I believe, as like anybody that has taken over anything

1770
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 18: brand new, you have to really understand and fully engage

1771
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 18: yourself to learn all of those because all of it is,

1772
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 18: All of this is new. Going eight and two was

1773
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 18: new for her. The energy that the nation was given

1774
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 18: and putting around our team. You know, when you think

1775
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 18: about our running back. At one point he was an

1776
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,679
Speaker 18: MVP candidate. Then all of a sudden, nobody's talking about

1777
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 18: him anymore. All of it is an adjustment period, and

1778
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 18: I don't know if we have the infrastructure on in

1779
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:05,600
Speaker 18: the players, the the the the I think we have

1780
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 18: the coaching staff to get us where we need to go.

1781
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 2: I think, you.

1782
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 18: Know, player wise, do we have the players at all

1783
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 18: of those positions?

1784
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 2: You know, again going to Daniel Jones, we did.

1785
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 18: He was the best available when we got him, so

1786
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 18: we didn't know what we were.

1787
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 7: And he's the best available in free agents this year too,

1788
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:26,759
Speaker 7: I mean absolutely, but speak.

1789
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 18: All based off of how he started the season at

1790
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 18: eight and two. So I think this year, you know,

1791
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 18: you chalk this up. We walked into a thing that

1792
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 18: listening to your show every day, no one expected.

1793
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 2: The coach to go eight and too.

1794
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 18: No way that's correct, not not if someone would tell

1795
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 18: me other than the people that that that work off

1796
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 18: of fifty six in La Fail Road.

1797
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 2: They're the only ones.

1798
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 7: And even if you put truth here on meta man, Okay, lastly,

1799
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 7: before we before we let you run here. Uh I

1800
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 7: want it right now? Am Paris you ready? This year is.

1801
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 18: Boom Philadelphia Eagles like that. I think coming out of

1802
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 18: the East is New England.

1803
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Jacksonville, No, I think Jacksonville.

1804
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 7: England is good. Drake bas really good. No one talks

1805
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 7: about Drake.

1806
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: He's very very.

1807
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 2: Good, playing in an amazing system.

1808
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 19: You're right, they have very good all of their key players,

1809
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 19: and they have a coach similar to Shane who is

1810
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 19: still learning his way, and they got a general manager

1811
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 19: that you know, he didn't expect this.

1812
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 7: They'll take it, though of course we'll take eaton too.

1813
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 2: We won't take the bottom end of the season.

1814
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 7: Lots of people will be at the Pacers game tomorrow

1815
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 7: night against the Cleveland Cavaliers courtesy of AMP, just like

1816
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 7: the eleven hundred kids that benefited from his charitable work

1817
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 7: at Christmas time as well. Always good seeing you appreciate it.

1818
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 2: Thank you man, Go coach, go Pacers all day every day.

1819
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 7: And for joining and Hoosiers that speaking of that, something

1820
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 7: that happened that I told you about back in the

1821
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 7: oh end of the summer, and why it tells you

1822
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 7: exactly where Indiana is right now. I'll get back into

1823
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 7: that next Welcome Back on a Monday. Thanks again to

1824
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 7: am Paris for stopping in for Mike Chappell and Don

1825
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 7: Fisher earlier for joining the program as well. My name

1826
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 7: is Jake Query, Eddie Garrison the other voice you hear

1827
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 7: on this show. We call it Query and Company on

1828
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 7: ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan.

1829
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 7: And what we know is this, and we will carry

1830
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 7: for you the press conference with the Colts coming up here,

1831
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 7: should be in about thirty minutes or so, and see

1832
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 7: what is said about Chris Ballard, Shane Steichen returning. That

1833
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 7: much we knew, and we knew that very shortly after

1834
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 7: the game yesterday. But one of the things that I

1835
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 7: think is the bone of contention that people have about

1836
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 7: the Colts. And you know you heard AMP and I

1837
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,600
Speaker 7: talking about it. It is true that right now, and you

1838
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 7: heard me say in talking about the Pacers and the

1839
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 7: Colts in the comparison, and maybe it's unfair to make,

1840
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 7: but you know, the Pacers had that situation years ago

1841
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 7: where they had Miles Turner and Demas Sibonis and they

1842
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:14,040
Speaker 7: were going to play differently than other people, and they're

1843
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 7: going to play on the low block and Turner and

1844
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 7: Sibonis and they're going to make this work with Turner

1845
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 7: and Sabonas. And they revisited that, you know, a couple

1846
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 7: of times, and you wondered what direction they were going.

1847
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 7: And then finally one day they said, you know what,

1848
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 7: we've just got to rip this band aid and do

1849
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 7: something different and go in another direction. And they made

1850
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 7: the trade to acquire Tyrese Haliburton. And then when they

1851
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 7: did so, when they drafted inter nim Hard and they

1852
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 7: went younger. And at that point, Kevin Pritchard and Rick Carlisle,

1853
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 7: you know, they basically said to everyone, we are begging

1854
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 7: for your patients here because we know and we hope

1855
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 7: this is going to work, but we're going a little

1856
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 7: bit on a leap of faith in the fact that

1857
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:59,640
Speaker 7: we needed to go in another direction. And that was

1858
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 7: the thing when you look at the Colts and the

1859
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 7: situation with Chris Ballard, if you were assigned the assignment

1860
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:08,719
Speaker 7: of telling the reason or spelling out why they needed

1861
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 7: to make a change, as I had said, there is

1862
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 7: never a perfect time for change. There's never you know, Hey,

1863
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 7: so is John finally going to break up this girlfriend? Well,

1864
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:20,600
Speaker 7: you know it's a couple of weeks before her birthday,

1865
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 7: and so you know he wants to wait through that,

1866
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 7: and then it gets close to Valentine's Day. You know,

1867
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 7: there's never a perfect time to make seismic change. And

1868
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 7: so you wondered going into it how much that did

1869
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 7: they need to just say we're just going to rip

1870
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:36,719
Speaker 7: off this band aid. But then on the other side

1871
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:38,640
Speaker 7: of that, as Amp and I were talking about, is

1872
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:43,599
Speaker 7: there some familiarity that goes into it with bringing back

1873
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:46,520
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard and helping Carl Ersay Gordon through this process

1874
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 7: of the first year of a CEO and ownership and

1875
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 7: just inventorying and assessing everything that goes on with the franchise.

1876
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:56,839
Speaker 7: And I was so focused on comparing perhaps the Pacers

1877
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:00,799
Speaker 7: and the Colts and their two situations that right before

1878
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 7: me was another example another example of perhaps just sports

1879
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 7: anomaly in blueprint, And it goes back to the story

1880
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 7: I told earlier when it comes to Indiana football and

1881
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 7: the Indiana football team being the most unlikely of national

1882
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 7: semi finalists, a team that going into the season had

1883
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 7: lost more games than anybody in the history of Division One.

1884
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 7: And we all know and we all are aware of

1885
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 7: the incredible story of this turnaround from Kurt Signetti. But

1886
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 7: when you wonder about the fact of is this a

1887
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:46,679
Speaker 7: flash in the pan? Is this Dennis ericson with Oregon

1888
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 7: State where it's like, oh my gosh, you know they

1889
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:52,639
Speaker 7: got Ocho Sinko and they're winning eleven games in Oregon State?

1890
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:55,679
Speaker 7: The Beavers are like contending for Rosewell, is it that

1891
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 7: or is it you know, Mark Hewitt, Gonzaga, We're all

1892
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 7: of a sudden like this program is builting this dynasty

1893
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 7: even though they haven't won a title. But you get

1894
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, And let me take you back to

1895
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 7: the story that I told earlier. If you look right

1896
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 7: now at where Indiana is two wins from a national championship,

1897
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 7: and even if they don't get one of those two wins,

1898
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 7: it is remarkable what they've done. And if you wonder

1899
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:22,639
Speaker 7: if Indiana is a Johnny Cume lately that is then

1900
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 7: going to turn around and fade right back into oblivion,

1901
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 7: let me remind you of this. Bernando Bundoza won the

1902
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:32,679
Speaker 7: Heisman Trophies, going to be an NFL quarterback Josh Hoover

1903
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,559
Speaker 7: is the nation's leading passer at TCU. And guess what

1904
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 7: transfer portal to Indiana?

1905
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,599
Speaker 15: How soon until we get the whoo Hoover's nice Eddie?

1906
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 7: Look at the big brain on the big mellet on, Eddie?

1907
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:46,600
Speaker 15: Should I should I trademark that?

1908
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 1: Look at that?

1909
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 7: At you? Should?

1910
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 3: Man?

1911
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 7: A trademarking is a complete hassle, though I can tell

1912
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 7: you that although I have attorneys now that can you

1913
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 7: know I'm chasing down some people using the why not

1914
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:56,959
Speaker 7: Indiana illegally?

1915
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: Mind you?

1916
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:05,759
Speaker 7: Nick marsh Goodson, Reciver, Michigan State boom Indiana eight players

1917
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 7: all told, a couple of defensive linemen from Kansas State,

1918
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 7: edge rusher out of Notre Dame, secondary help from Wisconsin,

1919
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 7: running back from Boston College, Indiana is loading up in

1920
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 7: the transfer portal, loading up. You know why? Because they

1921
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 7: were proactive. And let me explain. I told the story

1922
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 7: earlier about a friend of mine that went down to

1923
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 7: see Scott Dolson. Scott Dolson same a little bit older

1924
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 7: than I, but lot of mutual friends from when we

1925
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 7: were at Indiana. Scott Dolson, who was on the morning

1926
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,680
Speaker 7: show this morning here on this radio station, and the

1927
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 7: athletic director at Indiana University, and Scott Dolson knew knew

1928
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:50,799
Speaker 7: he was asked by the guys this morning, for example,

1929
01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 7: about Pam Winton, the president in Indiana and this kind

1930
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 7: of new vision of emphasis they needed to put on

1931
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:03,840
Speaker 7: football and Indiana typically and traditionally a basketball school. But

1932
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 7: is that changing now? Listen to what he says at

1933
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 7: the end here about football and Indiana in the landscape

1934
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 7: of college athletics.

1935
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 20: Honestly, during that really early in that first conversation with her,

1936
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:17,840
Speaker 20: and it was just so impressive because she, you know,

1937
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 20: obviously there's there's she's got a massive job, and there's

1938
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 20: so many things that are that are that are in

1939
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 20: so many ways more important than athletics. At the same time,

1940
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 20: she she gets it and she understands what athletics can

1941
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 20: do for the overall university, the community. And so right

1942
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 20: away during that first conversation, she said, you know, we're

1943
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 20: going to be everything we do, We're going to we're

1944
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 20: going to try to be excellent and go to the

1945
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 20: highest levels and that includes football. And you know, we

1946
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 20: just started a conversation about what that look like, what

1947
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:47,639
Speaker 20: can we do? And she asked me to put together

1948
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,600
Speaker 20: their plan to to real your football to a to

1949
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 20: a consistent level. But without that and her really saying

1950
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 20: to me, hey, I support that, let's figure this out. Uh,

1951
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 20: you know, coach said, wouldn't be here, we wouldn't having

1952
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 20: this conversation. So it does really start with her and

1953
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:08,600
Speaker 20: her vision, and she just understands, particularly during where we

1954
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 20: are with college athletics.

1955
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 3: And with conference re alignment and all.

1956
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:15,680
Speaker 20: The things going on, it was important that you know,

1957
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 20: football is the foundation of the Big Ten. It's you know,

1958
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 20: doesn't mean that.

1959
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 3: We don't care about the other programs.

1960
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:24,559
Speaker 20: But you have to be strong in football to be

1961
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 20: a valued member of the Big Ten.

1962
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 7: Football is the breadwinner and Indiana knows it. And Kurt

1963
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 7: Signetti knows that obviously he's a football coach. But it's

1964
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 7: about preparation. For example, a friend of mine went down

1965
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 7: to see Scott Dolson at the end of the summer

1966
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 7: just to catch up, shoot the ball, stop buying, see

1967
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:49,559
Speaker 7: him in his office. They're old college buddies. And as

1968
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 7: he's sitting there in Dolshon's office, I told this story earlier.

1969
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:56,639
Speaker 7: Kurt Signetti walked in, Oh, hey, coach, how you doing.

1970
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 7: Meet my buddy. Hey, this is coach Signetti. How you doing.

1971
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 7: Signette looks at DoLS. I don't mean to interrupt, just

1972
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 7: you'd asked me for this earlier today. So here you go,

1973
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 7: and hands them a sheet, walks out. Dolson looks at

1974
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:11,680
Speaker 7: my buddy and goes, that's unbelievable. My buddy says, what

1975
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:15,160
Speaker 7: do you mean? He said, this guy's here at like

1976
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 7: five o'clock every morning, watching tape constantly. When Dolson wanted

1977
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 7: to talk to him about an extension a month ago

1978
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 7: or so, he walked in and Signetti He's like, I'm

1979
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 7: watching tape right now. Talk to my agent, do whatever.

1980
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 7: And that was how it worked out, he said. I

1981
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 7: walked in and I said, listen, I want to know

1982
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 7: right now, as we're getting set to start the twenty

1983
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 7: twenty five college football season, I want to start getting

1984
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 7: an idea as to what we're going to look at

1985
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 7: at the transfer portal. And I know that not every

1986
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 7: player is going to enter the portal, and I know

1987
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 7: that we're not going to talk to players that aren't

1988
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 7: in the portal, but can you give me a list

1989
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:54,920
Speaker 7: at some point of fifty players that you think or

1990
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 7: you here are likely going to be in the portal

1991
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:00,719
Speaker 7: at the end of the season. Fifty players. And also

1992
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 7: what from a budgetary standpoint, you think in nil they're

1993
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 7: going to be looking for now. Signetti walks in at

1994
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 7: like ten thirty in the morning and while my buddy

1995
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:14,600
Speaker 7: is sitting there in Dolson's office and hands Dolson this

1996
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 7: sheet and Dolson says, I expected that a month from

1997
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:23,599
Speaker 7: now and he already had the list. He didn't even

1998
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 7: have to go out and research it. He just had

1999
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 7: to polish it, spell check it, because Kurt Signetti already

2000
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:38,160
Speaker 7: had the list. And it's preparation, it's being proactive. And

2001
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 7: there's another example in this market of what I think

2002
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 7: the Colts, for example, can look towards. And it's not

2003
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 7: even in football, but it's in basketball and another program

2004
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 7: in this market that we talk about and I'll tell

2005
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 7: you about that next and we'll go out to West

2006
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:57,520
Speaker 7: fifty six and just under twenty and talking about the Colts,

2007
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:05,679
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard, Shane steichen back, do the Colts look for now?

2008
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 7: And is this an example of you know, because you're

2009
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 7: going ten years on it, are you looking for continuity?

2010
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 7: And the stability, especially if you are the owner who

2011
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:20,400
Speaker 7: is new to the channels of being a CEO and

2012
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 7: being an owner. And yes, I realized that entitle she

2013
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:25,880
Speaker 7: has been that for a while now. But look in

2014
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 7: this market and the teams that we cover. What better

2015
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 7: example when you talk about solidarity and stability of a

2016
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,440
Speaker 7: program or the way to run things than say Purdue basketball.

2017
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:42,120
Speaker 7: And if you look at Purdue basketball, you know they've

2018
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 7: got a point guard in Braden Smith that when he

2019
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 7: was in high school a lot of people probably thought, well,

2020
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 7: you know, he's a little small to be going into

2021
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 7: the Big Ten, whatever else, and he just set the

2022
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,760
Speaker 7: record for most assists in a career and then conference history.

2023
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 7: I thought it was a very classic move also from

2024
01:49:56,080 --> 01:50:00,680
Speaker 7: tom Izzo to send the video because it is the

2025
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:04,400
Speaker 7: last two players to hold that crown Michigan State spartans

2026
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 7: for tom Izzo to send that to Smith of hey,

2027
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:12,280
Speaker 7: and what did tom Izzo say? I'm happy that you

2028
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:19,280
Speaker 7: got this, you know, record because of the way you play,

2029
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 7: and because I'm a fan of Matt Painter and Purdue

2030
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 7: basketball and the way that Purdue operates and the way

2031
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 7: that Purdue operates truthfully is this is our system, and

2032
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 7: we get players that fit our system, and we have

2033
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 7: a belief of the way to operate and run our system.

2034
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 7: And maybe there is something to be said for that,

2035
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 7: where when it comes to the Colts, is it a system?

2036
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 7: Does Carli or say Gordon look at Chris Baller and

2037
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 7: Shane Steichen and say it is a system? And I

2038
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 7: want the stability, and I want the familiarity of a

2039
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 7: program or a franchise in this case where people know

2040
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 7: exactly who and what we are. The problem is, through

2041
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 7: the course of ten years under Chris Ballard, you still

2042
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:20,280
Speaker 7: don't know exactly who and what they are. Because seventy

2043
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:24,640
Speaker 7: seventy nine and one and having seen every other AFC

2044
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 7: South team win more than one title since the Colts

2045
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 7: last won the division. That's the thing that becomes a

2046
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:36,720
Speaker 7: challenge for your fans to buy into. I understand that

2047
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,920
Speaker 7: fans are restless. I understand that fans want a change

2048
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 7: of tune. But guess what, like Peyton Manning ain't walking

2049
01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 7: through that door, and Andrew luck ain't walking through that door.

2050
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 7: And so, yes, they kicked the can at the quarterback position. Yes,

2051
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 7: they finally, almost serendipitously back doored their way into Daniel Jones.

2052
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,799
Speaker 7: But like we talked about earlier with An Paris, Daniel

2053
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:07,759
Speaker 7: Jones and Shane Steiken have a symbiotic relationship. And Shane

2054
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 7: Steiken's entire calling card when he came here was that

2055
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:14,400
Speaker 7: he is the quarterback whisperer that can awaken greatness out

2056
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 7: of quarterbacks, and we thought that was going to be

2057
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 7: with Anthony Richardson. And you can sit here and condemn

2058
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard, as we have done till the cows come

2059
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 7: home about the swing and the miss on Anthony Richardson

2060
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 7: and selecting a guy that didn't have a lot of

2061
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:29,720
Speaker 7: experience in handing the keys right away and the way

2062
01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:32,519
Speaker 7: that they mishandled everything that went into that. We can

2063
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:35,719
Speaker 7: do that, but at the same time we probably should

2064
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 7: then distribute credit towards But it was Ballard that had

2065
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 7: the vision of the foresight to go out and take

2066
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 7: a flyer on Daniel Jones that nobody else really had

2067
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:52,880
Speaker 7: interest in because they thought that he had basically flamed

2068
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 7: out in New York and was a turnover machine. And

2069
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:57,840
Speaker 7: was it a flyer on Daniel Jones or was it

2070
01:52:57,880 --> 01:52:59,760
Speaker 7: in fact that they took him knowing this is going

2071
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:03,680
Speaker 7: to be guy. Did he see something in him that

2072
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 7: others had not? And when he said that it was

2073
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:10,040
Speaker 7: just to bring in competition in an open competition, was

2074
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 7: it or did they know from the get go that

2075
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 7: that was their guy? And I think it was the latter,

2076
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,400
Speaker 7: certainly in the case of Styke. And I do because

2077
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:21,759
Speaker 7: while I don't know this, I am like dead certain

2078
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 7: on it that Shane Steiken is just past the Anthony

2079
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 7: Richardson experiment. He's like, yeah, I'm good, the helmet tap,

2080
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 7: everything else that went into it. I just think and

2081
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:34,559
Speaker 7: I do think that there is a complexity. I think

2082
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 7: that Steichen's offense. Part of what makes Steichen's offense work

2083
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 7: is listen to Shane Steichen in press conferences. Listen to

2084
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 7: him answer questions. Well, he speaks very fast, He's got

2085
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 7: a lot of things. He just goes to it and

2086
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 7: he says, they tell, you know, we just fought like crazy.

2087
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:52,160
Speaker 7: We got things we got to clean up, you know,

2088
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 7: just all football. I'm a football guy. Just go out

2089
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:56,120
Speaker 7: there and you know, guys, and it starts with me, right,

2090
01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:57,600
Speaker 7: it starts with me, and you know, five hundred we

2091
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,000
Speaker 7: got to do better. But you know, we're just we're

2092
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:00,639
Speaker 7: going to clean things up, and we're gonna go out

2093
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:04,439
Speaker 7: there and fight like crazy. It's very programmed boom boom boom,

2094
01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:07,840
Speaker 7: and it's fast. And I think that his offense is

2095
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:12,280
Speaker 7: set the same way. It's programmed to be fast. And

2096
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:15,599
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones when he drops back, Yes, you have Tyler

2097
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:18,400
Speaker 7: Warren there. Now, that's like that safety net player. But

2098
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 7: the offense is designed for the quarterback to quickly go

2099
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 7: through his progressions and his reads. And one of those

2100
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 7: is to say clean it up. And one of those

2101
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:27,880
Speaker 7: is to say fight like crazy. And one of those

2102
01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:30,680
Speaker 7: is to say I got to do better. But he

2103
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:32,760
Speaker 7: can rap and fire him right, And I think that

2104
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 7: his system is set for a quarterback to do the

2105
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 7: same thing. And he just feels better with a quarterback

2106
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,520
Speaker 7: that he feels like has And I'm not going to

2107
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 7: say the intellect the experience to have that vision and

2108
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 7: then no one to tuck and run and Jones is

2109
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:49,480
Speaker 7: that guy? All right, we'll try to get you out

2110
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,280
Speaker 7: to West fifty sixth Street as soon as it happens.

2111
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,920
Speaker 7: Carly Ursa. Gordon will be addressing the media and we'll

2112
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:57,400
Speaker 7: carry it live. You know, there's a lot of things

2113
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 7: there are to be grammaded correct a lot of things

2114
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 7: about the press conference with Carli Ersa Gordon that I'm

2115
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 7: curious about. One of those is and I would be

2116
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 7: stunned if they get into this. But a couple of things. First,

2117
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:21,080
Speaker 7: we you know she we have heard her during the

2118
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 7: Colts preseason broadcast, and they did do the press conference

2119
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:29,600
Speaker 7: to kind of introduce she and her two sisters to

2120
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 7: the media and the fans. You know, once the unfortunate

2121
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 7: passing of Jim irsay, and then you had the transfer,

2122
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:42,440
Speaker 7: if you will, and again if you go back and look,

2123
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 7: I think twenty fourteen was the first time that they

2124
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:50,320
Speaker 7: were listed as like co owners, and then her CEO

2125
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:53,480
Speaker 7: title came later. But but you get what I'm saying,

2126
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:56,160
Speaker 7: just in terms of you know now that being the

2127
01:55:56,240 --> 01:56:03,000
Speaker 7: point person, so to speak. And I don't know that

2128
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:05,480
Speaker 7: it will go here with this, Eddie, but I think

2129
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:08,960
Speaker 7: that you raised an interesting point earlier, and that is

2130
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:11,320
Speaker 7: and I mean this with all due respect. It's not

2131
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:15,800
Speaker 7: meant as any sort of a cynical approach or anything,

2132
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 7: but the difficulties the assumed. If these difficulties are not present,

2133
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:27,520
Speaker 7: then this is the perfect time to say no, Actually,

2134
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:30,520
Speaker 7: there was a team that had all of that under

2135
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:37,040
Speaker 7: control well before. But the challenges and the difficulties that

2136
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 7: come with the estate tax and the ownership transfer of

2137
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:47,640
Speaker 7: an NFL franchise. And listen, I totally respect if people

2138
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:50,240
Speaker 7: think that that's out of bounds for me to even

2139
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:53,200
Speaker 7: bring up. But if you look elsewhere, and I'm a

2140
01:56:53,240 --> 01:56:57,520
Speaker 7: big talker of and believer of precedent, and if you

2141
01:56:57,560 --> 01:57:00,960
Speaker 7: look at precedent elsewhere, First off, people forget that Jim

2142
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:03,480
Speaker 7: Ersay upon the passing of Bob er Say, there was

2143
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:06,720
Speaker 7: a long court settlement between Jim Rsay and Bob ur

2144
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 7: Say's widow over the amount of ownership that Jim Ersay got.

2145
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:14,680
Speaker 7: And then because of that, I don't know if there

2146
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 7: was also a bequeathed a state obligation of tax that

2147
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 7: was not paid at that time. That adds on to

2148
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 7: now with again the pass along within the estate here.

2149
01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:36,840
Speaker 7: But in addition to that, the the nature of pro

2150
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:43,840
Speaker 7: sports franchises is such, and especially with the NFL, as

2151
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:47,920
Speaker 7: I understand it, and I am not a financial guru,

2152
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 7: I haven't even taken a Sally Struthers class in it,

2153
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 7: but as I understand it, the federal a state obligation

2154
01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:59,240
Speaker 7: tax is forty percent the federal valuation. So just like

2155
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 7: when the government tells you what your property taxes are

2156
01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:04,919
Speaker 7: going to be, they come and they say, we value

2157
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 7: your franchise, we estimate it to be at such And

2158
01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 7: I mentioned earlier it is my belief that when the

2159
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:16,120
Speaker 7: Indianapolis Motor Speedway, when Penske Entertainment Group just sold one

2160
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:20,680
Speaker 7: third of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway to the Fox Broadcast Corporation,

2161
01:58:21,160 --> 01:58:23,920
Speaker 7: what they were doing was they were setting the baseline

2162
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:27,280
Speaker 7: of the valuation of the franchise so they could then say, well,

2163
01:58:27,320 --> 01:58:29,040
Speaker 7: we know exactly what it's worth because we just sold

2164
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:31,800
Speaker 7: a third of it, and it gives you. Now you're

2165
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:34,920
Speaker 7: ahead of the curve on waiting for what that amount

2166
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:38,080
Speaker 7: is going to be. And I think that we have

2167
01:58:38,200 --> 01:58:43,360
Speaker 7: seen a very astute and very responsible response from the

2168
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 7: daughters in terms of beginning to prepare themselves for some

2169
01:58:47,120 --> 01:58:52,000
Speaker 7: of that. But does the business aspect of that, does

2170
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:56,000
Speaker 7: overseeing and waiting through all of the ticker tape and

2171
01:58:56,240 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 7: the different obligations and things that are going to come

2172
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 7: with it. Does that factor in now to look, I've

2173
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 7: got so much on my plate in terms of the

2174
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 7: business side of this that for right now, in the

2175
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:16,040
Speaker 7: off season of twenty twenty five, even if I wanted

2176
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:19,440
Speaker 7: to make a change, it's not in the best interest

2177
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:23,360
Speaker 7: right now from a football standpoint, because I need familiarity

2178
01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:26,200
Speaker 7: in running my franchise, because I have this other stuff

2179
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:30,800
Speaker 7: that I've got to attend to, and then once that's done,

2180
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 7: then I can focus all of my attention on the

2181
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:40,040
Speaker 7: football operation of my franchise. And I totally understand and

2182
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:47,080
Speaker 7: respect if, in fact, it's the case that when you

2183
01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:54,440
Speaker 7: have this unfortunate passing of their father, that there is

2184
01:59:54,560 --> 02:00:01,160
Speaker 7: a safety within what you know. There's a comfort in

2185
02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:05,720
Speaker 7: what you know. And Chris Ballard. I don't know Chris

2186
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:08,400
Speaker 7: Ballard personally. People I know that know him, I think

2187
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:12,360
Speaker 7: that he comes off he comes off very aloof at times.

2188
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:15,160
Speaker 7: I think he comes off really arrogant in press conferences

2189
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:17,240
Speaker 7: at times. I think at times he comes off like

2190
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:19,200
Speaker 7: the smartest guy in the room until he doesn't have

2191
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:21,320
Speaker 7: to be anymore and he has to be humble, and

2192
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:24,120
Speaker 7: then he shows some humility. But from people I know

2193
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:28,440
Speaker 7: that do know him and are around him, I think

2194
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:31,800
Speaker 7: he's a pretty decent dude. I think he's a good

2195
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:36,600
Speaker 7: guy who means well. To people and does well by people. Now,

2196
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:39,880
Speaker 7: none of that wins you a Lombardi. I get it,

2197
02:00:41,120 --> 02:00:46,160
Speaker 7: But I can understand and respect if Carl Orse Gordon

2198
02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:48,280
Speaker 7: is looking at it and saying, I am an owner

2199
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:52,160
Speaker 7: of a franchise going into unchartered territory that I'm not

2200
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:55,960
Speaker 7: familiar with. Yes, I've been around it, I've had the

2201
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:58,600
Speaker 7: headsets on. I get it. Yes, I watched my dad

2202
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:01,280
Speaker 7: do this for a very long time. And even though

2203
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:03,240
Speaker 7: I was born in Dallas, because my dad was at

2204
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:05,640
Speaker 7: SMU at the time, I moved to Indianapolis at the

2205
02:01:05,640 --> 02:01:08,880
Speaker 7: age of like three or four and was running around

2206
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:11,840
Speaker 7: Hillcrest forever and went to Park Tutor And I've been

2207
02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:14,880
Speaker 7: around it and through Osmosis alone. There are things you're

2208
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:18,040
Speaker 7: gonna know, but some things you don't truly ever know

2209
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:25,720
Speaker 7: until you're there. And so is that the reason or

2210
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:27,960
Speaker 7: could it be that she looks at it and says,

2211
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:31,800
Speaker 7: you know what you John q Public see seventy seventy

2212
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:37,400
Speaker 7: nine and one. You see ten years without a divisional title.

2213
02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:43,720
Speaker 7: You see a playoff win, and like a playoff home game.

2214
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:51,920
Speaker 7: But I see eight and two. I see a roster

2215
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:57,640
Speaker 7: that in the middle of October everywhere I turned, including

2216
02:01:57,920 --> 02:02:01,000
Speaker 7: on the midday show on our flag station, the Fan,

2217
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:03,320
Speaker 7: the guy was talking about how they had a really

2218
02:02:03,400 --> 02:02:09,800
Speaker 7: sound roster. I saw a quarterback that was playing very

2219
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:12,440
Speaker 7: well and in step with my coach in Shane Steiken

2220
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:14,920
Speaker 7: and in doing so for the first month and a

2221
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:19,400
Speaker 7: half of the year, setting greatest show on turf level statistics,

2222
02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:23,640
Speaker 7: and a running back that was on his way to

2223
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:27,760
Speaker 7: fifteen hundred yards and MVP discussion, and a tight end

2224
02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:30,760
Speaker 7: that's a rookie that we could slot anywhere. And I

2225
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:35,800
Speaker 7: liked what I saw. I saw a roster. Maybe this

2226
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:38,120
Speaker 7: is what she's saying. I saw a roster that looked

2227
02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 7: like one that was in the upper echelon of the

2228
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:46,000
Speaker 7: National Football League, and injuries came in the way. Now,

2229
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:48,240
Speaker 7: as I mentioned earlier, other side of that would be

2230
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:54,960
Speaker 7: my counterpoint. When Chris Ballard first took the job and

2231
02:02:55,080 --> 02:03:00,520
Speaker 7: was asked about Andrew Luck, who he inherited, the things

2232
02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:04,200
Speaker 7: that he famously or infamously said was it's about more

2233
02:03:04,240 --> 02:03:09,760
Speaker 7: than just one guy. It's about more than just one guy.

2234
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:14,800
Speaker 7: And I would have said the same thing because if

2235
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:16,960
Speaker 7: I walked in as a first time general manager and

2236
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:19,120
Speaker 7: I looked at it and said, we got a quarterback

2237
02:03:19,160 --> 02:03:21,800
Speaker 7: on this team that realistically probably so long as we

2238
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:25,480
Speaker 7: keep everything like hands on the wheel, I mean, we're

2239
02:03:25,480 --> 02:03:28,080
Speaker 7: gonna go pretty far here. But I would want people

2240
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:30,640
Speaker 7: to know. But when that happens, I don't want everybody

2241
02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:33,280
Speaker 7: just saying that Andrew luck was like so good that

2242
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:36,640
Speaker 7: anybody could have driven this franchise. I would want people

2243
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:38,800
Speaker 7: to know he's going to have to have supporting help.

2244
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:41,520
Speaker 7: He's going to have to have an offensive line and

2245
02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:44,040
Speaker 7: receivers and a running back and a defense and everything else.

2246
02:03:44,160 --> 02:03:46,080
Speaker 7: I want people to know it's about more than just

2247
02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:49,640
Speaker 7: one guy. When we're hoisting that trophy. I want people

2248
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:51,880
Speaker 7: to know that, yes, the quarterback is the guy that

2249
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:54,840
Speaker 7: has to actually drive the car, but let's give some

2250
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:57,680
Speaker 7: credit to the engineer here. That's what I would want,

2251
02:03:57,800 --> 02:03:59,600
Speaker 7: So I would say the same thing. I get it,

2252
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:03,000
Speaker 7: but you can't say that and then on the bookend

2253
02:04:03,080 --> 02:04:05,640
Speaker 7: of it, when you have a year that is going well,

2254
02:04:06,120 --> 02:04:09,560
Speaker 7: you can't come out and say, well, you know, everything

2255
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:12,760
Speaker 7: was going great, but the quarterback got hurt, because that's

2256
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:15,240
Speaker 7: not valid if it's about more than just one guy.

2257
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:18,840
Speaker 7: And that's where he painted himself in a corner. A

2258
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:23,560
Speaker 7: little bit. Even if it's true, and I think there

2259
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:28,120
Speaker 7: probably is a lot of truth to that, Daniel Jones

2260
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:32,120
Speaker 7: was clearly working in a way with Shane Steichen that was,

2261
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:35,320
Speaker 7: as I keep saying, like this symbiotic relationship he was

2262
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:39,080
Speaker 7: the Daniel Jones was the perfect execution of you ever

2263
02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:41,760
Speaker 7: get those two friends, usually it's like a married couple.

2264
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:44,280
Speaker 7: They drive you crazy and it makes you sick because

2265
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,320
Speaker 7: they like finish each other's sentences. They know each other

2266
02:04:46,360 --> 02:04:52,720
Speaker 7: so well, and it's kind of nauseating, but it's effective

2267
02:04:52,920 --> 02:04:55,120
Speaker 7: when it is a quarterback that is going out and

2268
02:04:55,240 --> 02:04:58,280
Speaker 7: is able to execute the exact vision of what it

2269
02:04:58,400 --> 02:05:02,320
Speaker 7: is that the head coach wants. You had. Now there

2270
02:05:02,360 --> 02:05:07,960
Speaker 7: are question marks going forward beyond just that moody Ward,

2271
02:05:09,320 --> 02:05:15,120
Speaker 7: wonderful player, and your heart goes out for him because

2272
02:05:15,120 --> 02:05:17,600
Speaker 7: he had personal loss with the loss of his daughter

2273
02:05:17,600 --> 02:05:20,280
Speaker 7: in San Francisco and he just needed a new start.

2274
02:05:20,360 --> 02:05:30,400
Speaker 7: Totally understandable, totally respectable, and I absolutely understand and respect

2275
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:33,960
Speaker 7: any player that's had multiple concussions, and then it causes

2276
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:36,600
Speaker 7: them to question how long they want to do it

2277
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:39,160
Speaker 7: and if they want to come back. And he said

2278
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:42,400
Speaker 7: today earlier that his dad has told him to retire.

2279
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:46,680
Speaker 7: How seriously His dad said that I don't know, but

2280
02:05:47,400 --> 02:05:52,640
Speaker 7: he mentioned on numerous occasions that now he is continuing

2281
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:57,080
Speaker 7: to have headaches. They come even easier after a contact

2282
02:05:57,120 --> 02:06:00,800
Speaker 7: than before. And he said a month ago that it's

2283
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:03,240
Speaker 7: difficult for him to play when he doesn't have total

2284
02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:08,720
Speaker 7: clarity of thought and that situation, does he come back,

2285
02:06:09,240 --> 02:06:12,040
Speaker 7: Does he say that's it, I'm going to retire, which

2286
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:16,360
Speaker 7: is one hundred percent understandable. And if that's the case,

2287
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:19,160
Speaker 7: then everybody should salute him and say, didn't have you

2288
02:06:19,200 --> 02:06:21,400
Speaker 7: here long, but you're a great player and good in

2289
02:06:21,480 --> 02:06:23,600
Speaker 7: the locker room, and you've got to do what's best

2290
02:06:23,600 --> 02:06:28,840
Speaker 7: for your health. Totally get it. Michael Pittman Junior. Twenty

2291
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:35,280
Speaker 7: nine million dollars next year and five million dollar dead cat,

2292
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:38,080
Speaker 7: meaning if they were to release him, they would still

2293
02:06:38,080 --> 02:06:40,480
Speaker 7: pay five million dollars. That they're just going out and

2294
02:06:41,560 --> 02:06:43,600
Speaker 7: throwing it into a fan and letting it fly into

2295
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:46,320
Speaker 7: the air. You never get that back. And I think

2296
02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:51,200
Speaker 7: Michael Pittman Jr. Is last year played with an injured back.

2297
02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:57,400
Speaker 7: Was a warrior. Never complained, but J and V said

2298
02:06:57,400 --> 02:07:00,360
Speaker 7: it the best. Yesterday, there was a bus roll around

2299
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:02,520
Speaker 7: and said, struggle on the side of it. Michael Pittman

2300
02:07:02,600 --> 02:07:05,640
Speaker 7: was driving it. He was on the Struggle bus yesterday.

2301
02:07:05,880 --> 02:07:08,560
Speaker 7: And for that kind of money, for twenty nine million,

2302
02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:10,440
Speaker 7: you got to be more reliable and you got to

2303
02:07:10,440 --> 02:07:12,640
Speaker 7: be a better player. And at this point he's no

2304
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:14,800
Speaker 7: longer their Colt's number one. Because that leads to the

2305
02:07:14,840 --> 02:07:17,680
Speaker 7: other question, which is that of Alec Pearce. Alec Pierce

2306
02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:21,600
Speaker 7: has absolutely developed into and what did we say early

2307
02:07:22,040 --> 02:07:25,880
Speaker 7: with Alec Peerce Man they swung and missed again. Wasn't

2308
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:28,440
Speaker 7: a first round pick, if I'm not mistaken, first pick

2309
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:31,320
Speaker 7: that they selected that year, but taken in the second round,

2310
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:36,960
Speaker 7: but they kept trading back, if you recall, but has

2311
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:40,120
Speaker 7: grown into not only a deep ball threat for the Colts,

2312
02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:41,919
Speaker 7: but a guy really they can catch the ball wherever

2313
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:44,760
Speaker 7: it is that they want to put it. And he

2314
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:50,120
Speaker 7: has developed and now is probably going to fetch big

2315
02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:52,920
Speaker 7: time money on the market. But he's an unrestricted free

2316
02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:55,600
Speaker 7: agent in March. They can tag him and I would

2317
02:07:55,600 --> 02:07:58,040
Speaker 7: anticipate they probably will because you don't want that guy

2318
02:07:58,080 --> 02:08:02,200
Speaker 7: walking out the door yesterday when he was talking about

2319
02:08:02,200 --> 02:08:06,560
Speaker 7: that completely bogus ejection, which was absurd. But when Alec

2320
02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:09,160
Speaker 7: Pierce was talking about it, he had a Freudian slip

2321
02:08:09,200 --> 02:08:12,000
Speaker 7: and said, man, I wanted more out of it. I'm paraphrasing,

2322
02:08:12,200 --> 02:08:17,240
Speaker 7: wanted more out of my last game. What the last game?

2323
02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:20,440
Speaker 7: And I think he met my last game of the

2324
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:23,680
Speaker 7: season knowing that their fate was sealed before going into

2325
02:08:23,680 --> 02:08:28,120
Speaker 7: the game. But immediately bells and whistles and alarms go off.

2326
02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:30,720
Speaker 7: Holy cow, did Alec Pierce just Freudian slip into saying

2327
02:08:30,760 --> 02:08:32,600
Speaker 7: that he's not going to be back with the Colts.

2328
02:08:34,040 --> 02:08:38,080
Speaker 7: And then later, meaning today, he came out and said, look,

2329
02:08:38,120 --> 02:08:39,920
Speaker 7: if Daniel Jones is here, that's going to go a

2330
02:08:39,960 --> 02:08:42,720
Speaker 7: long way in me wanting to be here because what

2331
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:46,480
Speaker 7: did he see earlier in his career? You know, Gardner

2332
02:08:46,480 --> 02:08:50,520
Speaker 7: Minshew like would air it out once or twice for him,

2333
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:53,760
Speaker 7: but they never really drew up the long ball for him,

2334
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:55,720
Speaker 7: and it felt like he was kind of getting buried.

2335
02:08:55,720 --> 02:08:59,160
Speaker 7: And now we see and credit here. I assumed this

2336
02:08:59,240 --> 02:09:02,560
Speaker 7: credit goes within the coaching and to Reggie Wayne of

2337
02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:05,520
Speaker 7: getting him to be because people talk about Alec Pierce

2338
02:09:05,560 --> 02:09:08,680
Speaker 7: as a long ball threat, and he is we saw yesterday,

2339
02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:12,280
Speaker 7: but he's also developed into a really nice like bubble screen,

2340
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:15,120
Speaker 7: almost like possession receiver kind of guy. I mean, you

2341
02:09:15,160 --> 02:09:17,560
Speaker 7: can put it in a lot of different spaces, and

2342
02:09:17,600 --> 02:09:21,640
Speaker 7: he is their number one. What happens now with him?

2343
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:24,520
Speaker 7: Does he come back? I think if Daniel Jones is back,

2344
02:09:24,920 --> 02:09:28,520
Speaker 7: then that seems to be something that would be heading

2345
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:32,040
Speaker 7: in that direction. And that leads to the other question

2346
02:09:32,120 --> 02:09:37,440
Speaker 7: now of Daniel Jones coming off of a devastating injury

2347
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:41,280
Speaker 7: for many, maybe not for him. We saw with Aaron Rodgers,

2348
02:09:41,320 --> 02:09:44,320
Speaker 7: who's even older, how quickly it came back. But I

2349
02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:46,440
Speaker 7: think coffee enemas were involved in that. And I don't

2350
02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:48,000
Speaker 7: know that you want to go to like Micha Peachi

2351
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:49,720
Speaker 7: or wherever it is. He wantn't to do that and

2352
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:53,640
Speaker 7: get all into that. But nonetheless, Daniel Jones talked to

2353
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:55,880
Speaker 7: Aaron Rodgers. It's kind of funny because he said, well,

2354
02:09:55,960 --> 02:09:58,920
Speaker 7: I talked to Aaron Rodgers when I had my injury

2355
02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:02,520
Speaker 7: and about his recovery, and he said something along the

2356
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:05,440
Speaker 7: lines of, like, you know, there are little different situations. Yeah,

2357
02:10:05,480 --> 02:10:09,360
Speaker 7: maybe in terms of the treatment, but I think it's

2358
02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:12,480
Speaker 7: realistic that Daniel Jones could be in the mix for

2359
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:16,600
Speaker 7: them taking reps at the beginning of camp but I

2360
02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:18,760
Speaker 7: don't know that it's going to be at one percent.

2361
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:24,880
Speaker 7: No one knows that. No one knows that. And then

2362
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:29,720
Speaker 7: is Daniel Jones's mobility when that happens the same as

2363
02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:31,920
Speaker 7: it was pre injured. We don't know that either, right,

2364
02:10:33,640 --> 02:10:36,520
Speaker 7: we don't. But I do think Jones will be back.

2365
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:40,600
Speaker 7: And I think at this point, even though one game

2366
02:10:40,680 --> 02:10:44,879
Speaker 7: does not a season make, even though one half against

2367
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:49,960
Speaker 7: starters does not a reliably make, I think we could

2368
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:53,760
Speaker 7: probably safely analyze to the fact now at this point

2369
02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:57,840
Speaker 7: that Riley Leonard will at the very least be given

2370
02:10:57,880 --> 02:11:01,880
Speaker 7: the opportunity to compete for the backup situation to Daniel Jones.

2371
02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:06,480
Speaker 7: Are they comfortable and confident starting Riley Leonard for a

2372
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:08,760
Speaker 7: game or two if Jones is not able to go.

2373
02:11:09,320 --> 02:11:13,040
Speaker 7: That's probably something that even the Colts themselves are thinking

2374
02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:16,640
Speaker 7: about heading into the off season that they will have

2375
02:11:16,680 --> 02:11:19,400
Speaker 7: to then assess at Grand Park, because they may not

2376
02:11:19,480 --> 02:11:22,320
Speaker 7: know that answer just yet. They may still be saying,

2377
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:25,200
Speaker 7: you know what, maybe they do go and get a

2378
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:28,440
Speaker 7: veteran that's waived at the last minute, and you go

2379
02:11:28,520 --> 02:11:30,600
Speaker 7: through camp with Leonard as your number two. The one

2380
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:32,600
Speaker 7: thing I think we can probably safely say at this

2381
02:11:32,720 --> 02:11:35,560
Speaker 7: point is that Anthony Richardson next year will be taking

2382
02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:40,960
Speaker 7: snaps elsewhere, And you know what, if that's the case,

2383
02:11:41,480 --> 02:11:45,360
Speaker 7: then you would be happy for Anthony. It happens with guys.

2384
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:49,840
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones a good example. You've heard me say this

2385
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:53,280
Speaker 7: a billion times on this program. Sometimes it's for guys.

2386
02:11:54,200 --> 02:11:58,480
Speaker 7: They get unfairly assessed based on how and where they

2387
02:11:58,520 --> 02:12:01,960
Speaker 7: were acquired. Alex Smith was the number one overall pick

2388
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:06,280
Speaker 7: in the draft by the Niners, right, didn't work out

2389
02:12:06,280 --> 02:12:09,360
Speaker 7: in San Francisco, went to Kansas City and Washington. Really

2390
02:12:09,400 --> 02:12:15,200
Speaker 7: solid player, nice player, but he was a nice player

2391
02:12:15,240 --> 02:12:17,680
Speaker 7: because where he was acquired, of what was invested in him.

2392
02:12:17,720 --> 02:12:20,640
Speaker 7: With those franchises, you got more than return on investment.

2393
02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:22,520
Speaker 7: But when he's the number one pick in the draft,

2394
02:12:22,640 --> 02:12:25,000
Speaker 7: or in the case of Anthony Richardson, a top five

2395
02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:28,440
Speaker 7: pick and a market that has been pining for that

2396
02:12:28,520 --> 02:12:32,320
Speaker 7: since Andrew Luck retired, then you get judged based on

2397
02:12:32,520 --> 02:12:35,160
Speaker 7: where it was and how you were acquired. Now, if

2398
02:12:35,240 --> 02:12:39,360
Speaker 7: Richardson goes elsewhere, he may go to a New Orleans

2399
02:12:40,040 --> 02:12:44,480
Speaker 7: or you know insert name of you know, the Raiders.

2400
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:48,160
Speaker 7: He may go somewhere with a new coach, new system

2401
02:12:48,240 --> 02:12:54,320
Speaker 7: and really developed Anthony Richardson. Sure some of that might

2402
02:12:54,360 --> 02:12:58,520
Speaker 7: be on his maturity or lack thereof, but look at

2403
02:12:58,520 --> 02:13:03,560
Speaker 7: the background was Anthony Richardson. I think that there is

2404
02:13:03,600 --> 02:13:06,840
Speaker 7: a level of truth to the fact that Anthony Richardson

2405
02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:13,320
Speaker 7: had never really had no fault of his when he

2406
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:14,800
Speaker 7: was in high school. I told you, I watched that

2407
02:13:14,920 --> 02:13:18,280
Speaker 7: documentary that followed him as a senior in high school,

2408
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:20,600
Speaker 7: and he went to a senior and he went to

2409
02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:23,839
Speaker 7: a high school that had no resources. They were canceling

2410
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,000
Speaker 7: practices because it was raining and they didn't have an

2411
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:28,560
Speaker 7: alternate field and the field was too muddy. I mean,

2412
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:32,120
Speaker 7: you know, and his coaches were really good guys that

2413
02:13:32,240 --> 02:13:35,560
Speaker 7: were trying to help kids get on the right path

2414
02:13:35,640 --> 02:13:38,200
Speaker 7: and just simply keep them off of the street and

2415
02:13:38,240 --> 02:13:41,640
Speaker 7: from tougher backgrounds. Really good guys, but I don't know

2416
02:13:41,680 --> 02:13:44,360
Speaker 7: that they were true football guys. It wasn't like Bryce

2417
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:45,880
Speaker 7: Young that was going to a high school where he

2418
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:49,880
Speaker 7: had three different footwork coaches and film sessions and all that.

2419
02:13:50,120 --> 02:13:55,200
Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson was going into a situation where he's out

2420
02:13:55,240 --> 02:13:57,360
Speaker 7: there and he I mean, they were thrilled that he

2421
02:13:57,400 --> 02:13:59,800
Speaker 7: got the opportunity to go to the University of Florida,

2422
02:13:59,800 --> 02:14:02,000
Speaker 7: and he went there, and what did he start, you know,

2423
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:06,640
Speaker 7: twelve games? Fifteen games. I don't know that he ever was.

2424
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:10,040
Speaker 7: I think that the Colts basically took the training wheels

2425
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:12,440
Speaker 7: off for him and just said, all right, go And

2426
02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:16,600
Speaker 7: he'd only been riding his bike back and forth on

2427
02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:18,760
Speaker 7: the street a couple of times, and they basically sent

2428
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:21,040
Speaker 7: him to Pike's Peak and they're like, all right, have fun,

2429
02:14:21,960 --> 02:14:25,120
Speaker 7: ride it. And they did him a disservice because they

2430
02:14:25,160 --> 02:14:27,720
Speaker 7: handed him the keys too early. They gave him too

2431
02:14:27,800 --> 02:14:32,400
Speaker 7: much responsibility too early. And I don't know that he

2432
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:37,160
Speaker 7: knew how to handle it. I just don't think that

2433
02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:41,120
Speaker 7: he knew how to handle it. And I don't know

2434
02:14:41,200 --> 02:14:43,480
Speaker 7: that he I don't know that they laid out for

2435
02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:45,680
Speaker 7: him what he was supposed to do to handle it,

2436
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:48,320
Speaker 7: until all of a sudden they just came and said,

2437
02:14:48,360 --> 02:14:51,960
Speaker 7: you're not handling this right. The helmet tap is the

2438
02:14:51,960 --> 02:14:55,880
Speaker 7: prime example that helmet tap. You can say till the

2439
02:14:55,920 --> 02:15:00,400
Speaker 7: cows come home that that's the fault of Anthony ri Ardson,

2440
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:06,400
Speaker 7: that he had to know better. And everybody who's played

2441
02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:09,480
Speaker 7: the game has said that as the quarterback, you have

2442
02:15:09,560 --> 02:15:13,480
Speaker 7: to know better. But there's also an element of responsibility

2443
02:15:13,480 --> 02:15:15,960
Speaker 7: that falls on the Colts for not recognizing that he

2444
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:20,560
Speaker 7: wouldn't know better and giving him that level of responsibility

2445
02:15:20,600 --> 02:15:24,320
Speaker 7: and that level of autonomy that early was an error.

2446
02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:29,440
Speaker 7: It just was. And I don't think that you can

2447
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:32,400
Speaker 7: necessarily put the blame in the onus one hundred percent

2448
02:15:32,440 --> 02:15:35,160
Speaker 7: on Anthony Richardson. But as it stands right now for

2449
02:15:35,320 --> 02:15:39,840
Speaker 7: next season, what we know is this general manager, back,

2450
02:15:39,920 --> 02:15:43,440
Speaker 7: head coach, back, quarterback, likely back talking about Daniel Jones,

2451
02:15:45,400 --> 02:15:50,440
Speaker 7: corner in Mooney Ward questionable in terms of return, understandably

2452
02:15:50,480 --> 02:15:56,280
Speaker 7: so wide receiver, and Michael Pittman Jr. Probably questionable to

2453
02:15:56,360 --> 02:15:59,800
Speaker 7: return even I think he knows that, and he and

2454
02:16:00,040 --> 02:16:04,160
Speaker 7: inuated that he knows that because of the price tag

2455
02:16:05,720 --> 02:16:10,280
Speaker 7: twenty nine million, and especially if you know now, I mean,

2456
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:12,480
Speaker 7: I'll put it to you this way. If you got

2457
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:14,920
Speaker 7: to come up with a little extra cash to retain

2458
02:16:14,960 --> 02:16:18,360
Speaker 7: Alec Pearson, it comes at the cost of Michael Pittman Jr.

2459
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:22,080
Speaker 7: You got to do it right, You've got to do it.

2460
02:16:24,120 --> 02:16:25,960
Speaker 7: They have some good weapons on offense. They had a

2461
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:30,800
Speaker 7: good offense this year went healthy. Braden Smith probably a

2462
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:37,279
Speaker 7: question there DeForest Buckner. Big question there because DeForest Buckner,

2463
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:41,800
Speaker 7: based on his age all that aside. If I'm DeForest Buckner,

2464
02:16:42,040 --> 02:16:44,959
Speaker 7: I'm looking at it and I'm saying, look, I came

2465
02:16:45,000 --> 02:16:48,960
Speaker 7: here via trade. And you know what DeForest Buckner did

2466
02:16:48,959 --> 02:16:51,880
Speaker 7: as soon as he came here. The Forest Buckner came

2467
02:16:51,879 --> 02:16:54,640
Speaker 7: here and the first thing he did he had that

2468
02:16:54,760 --> 02:16:57,080
Speaker 7: bike with the really big, weird front tire on it

2469
02:16:57,200 --> 02:16:59,560
Speaker 7: or whatever, and he bought it for his teammates. And

2470
02:16:59,600 --> 02:17:02,560
Speaker 7: he's been a quality guy and a leader, and he

2471
02:17:02,680 --> 02:17:05,920
Speaker 7: is led by the Forrest Buckner has been a leader

2472
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:09,960
Speaker 7: in terms of here is the guy that is coming

2473
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:13,000
Speaker 7: in coming from a franchise that is probably as well

2474
02:17:13,080 --> 02:17:15,600
Speaker 7: run in any as any in San Francisco, and he

2475
02:17:15,680 --> 02:17:18,880
Speaker 7: comes in here and he brought with him a professionalism

2476
02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:21,960
Speaker 7: that I think by example as a leader, he looked

2477
02:17:21,959 --> 02:17:24,560
Speaker 7: at his locker room and said, I know I'm the

2478
02:17:24,600 --> 02:17:29,360
Speaker 7: new guy in town, but I also bring an old

2479
02:17:29,440 --> 02:17:34,240
Speaker 7: brand of professionalism. And he's been everything that they've that

2480
02:17:34,280 --> 02:17:37,920
Speaker 7: you could ask. Been a solid player, been a solid teammate,

2481
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:43,360
Speaker 7: been a solid leader. But he also not once but

2482
02:17:43,480 --> 02:17:45,720
Speaker 7: twice now has had to leave the United States to

2483
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:50,400
Speaker 7: go get stem Cell treatments, and you wouldn't blame the

2484
02:17:50,440 --> 02:17:52,480
Speaker 7: guy at all if he said, you know what, in

2485
02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:54,160
Speaker 7: the time that I've been here and I've done all

2486
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:55,959
Speaker 7: of that, you know what you delivered for me the

2487
02:17:56,080 --> 02:18:00,959
Speaker 7: chance to play a playoff game. And I could totally

2488
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:03,400
Speaker 7: see with the amount of money that he's accumulated at

2489
02:18:03,400 --> 02:18:05,840
Speaker 7: this point. One of the things that I think you

2490
02:18:05,959 --> 02:18:09,760
Speaker 7: have to think about and respect with players is they

2491
02:18:09,800 --> 02:18:13,080
Speaker 7: get I do it every year every year when I

2492
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:16,320
Speaker 7: tune in for the Hall of Fame game, assuming they're

2493
02:18:16,320 --> 02:18:18,000
Speaker 7: playing it and they don't have that weird paint that

2494
02:18:18,120 --> 02:18:20,720
Speaker 7: was like coagulating. I've never even heard the term coagulation

2495
02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:22,840
Speaker 7: before until the Colts were playing in the Hall of

2496
02:18:22,879 --> 02:18:24,720
Speaker 7: Fame game in Canton and they're like, the game's been

2497
02:18:24,760 --> 02:18:28,760
Speaker 7: canceled because the paint in midfield is coagulating. Okay, new word,

2498
02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:32,200
Speaker 7: that's cool. But aside from that, the thing that I've

2499
02:18:32,240 --> 02:18:33,959
Speaker 7: noticed when I tune it in for the Hall of

2500
02:18:33,959 --> 02:18:38,320
Speaker 7: Fame game is when they bring out Hall of Famers

2501
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:43,039
Speaker 7: and they bring these guys out and you see it

2502
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:46,200
Speaker 7: players of years past, and I realize those guys were

2503
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:49,080
Speaker 7: playing on different surfaces and it was a totally different era.

2504
02:18:50,480 --> 02:18:52,760
Speaker 7: But when you see Earl Campbell come out and he

2505
02:18:52,760 --> 02:18:56,920
Speaker 7: can barely walk, and you see guys come out and

2506
02:18:56,959 --> 02:19:00,560
Speaker 7: you see how difficult it is for them to just

2507
02:19:00,680 --> 02:19:05,039
Speaker 7: walk out there and get their respective honor, I understand

2508
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:08,560
Speaker 7: in that circumstance, and in that case why they would

2509
02:19:08,640 --> 02:19:10,640
Speaker 7: then say, you know what, when it comes down to it,

2510
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:14,960
Speaker 7: I the second that I start getting some sort of

2511
02:19:14,959 --> 02:19:18,959
Speaker 7: an ailment that ain't going away, that's it. I totally

2512
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:21,440
Speaker 7: understand it. If they decide at that point that they

2513
02:19:21,440 --> 02:19:24,959
Speaker 7: want to walk away, not walking away, but towards this JMV.

2514
02:19:25,160 --> 02:19:27,560
Speaker 7: He has arrived in studio, part of the crossover brought

2515
02:19:27,560 --> 02:19:28,920
Speaker 7: to you by the good guys that love Heat to

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2517
02:19:32,320 --> 02:19:35,720
Speaker 7: Three one seven three five three uh thirty one forty

2518
02:19:35,720 --> 02:19:38,920
Speaker 7: one is the telephone number. Now, John, we thought that

2519
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:41,240
Speaker 7: the press conference we would be handing it off to

2520
02:19:41,280 --> 02:19:43,000
Speaker 7: you by the time it was complete. I guess I'll

2521
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:44,640
Speaker 7: be doing it then, huh. But I don't think that,

2522
02:19:44,720 --> 02:19:46,480
Speaker 7: as Eddiett is not yet beginning me or I.

2523
02:19:46,560 --> 02:19:47,560
Speaker 2: Just do my impression of it.

2524
02:19:48,200 --> 02:19:48,560
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

2525
02:19:48,560 --> 02:19:50,320
Speaker 21: We're here to save a little cash, so we're going

2526
02:19:50,360 --> 02:19:53,000
Speaker 21: to do this thing again and there's really not necessary

2527
02:19:53,080 --> 02:19:55,959
Speaker 21: and the fans are going to be upset, but we're

2528
02:19:55,959 --> 02:19:57,000
Speaker 21: going to save a little bit of cash.

2529
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:58,320
Speaker 7: By the way, I gave the wrong phone number there

2530
02:19:58,360 --> 02:20:00,360
Speaker 7: three five three twenty one forty one and I say

2531
02:20:00,400 --> 02:20:02,640
Speaker 7: thirty one forty one Eddy. Sorry, three five three twenty

2532
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:04,640
Speaker 7: one forty one is the telephone number for Love, Heating

2533
02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:06,320
Speaker 7: and Air. You know it, really, I've only been saying

2534
02:20:06,360 --> 02:20:07,800
Speaker 7: that every day for like six years. I don't know

2535
02:20:07,800 --> 02:20:08,400
Speaker 7: how I forgot it.

2536
02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:12,560
Speaker 21: I know a lot of people are upset, and you

2537
02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:14,560
Speaker 21: know what you should be, but it's hard for me

2538
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:18,160
Speaker 21: to be that upset because this is like common ground,

2539
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:20,800
Speaker 21: this is where we are. It's something that I expected,

2540
02:20:20,840 --> 02:20:24,320
Speaker 21: and I'd been laying the groundwork for the last couple

2541
02:20:24,360 --> 02:20:26,640
Speaker 21: of weeks, saying, hey, you're probably going to get the

2542
02:20:26,720 --> 02:20:30,200
Speaker 21: same thing next year, so be prepared. And it's not

2543
02:20:30,320 --> 02:20:32,320
Speaker 21: something I believe in, but I thought it was something

2544
02:20:32,360 --> 02:20:34,920
Speaker 21: they were going to believe in. A last Here we are.

2545
02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:40,120
Speaker 7: My thing is this John the I think that there

2546
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:44,160
Speaker 7: are as Amp and I talked about earlier, and as

2547
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:46,720
Speaker 7: I've been talking about over the course of today, there

2548
02:20:46,840 --> 02:20:51,680
Speaker 7: are understandable reasons why you would go one more year

2549
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:54,320
Speaker 7: with it. I just simply want to hear which of

2550
02:20:54,400 --> 02:20:57,000
Speaker 7: those reasons is the one that she tapped into and

2551
02:20:57,120 --> 02:21:00,080
Speaker 7: rode with. Does that make sense? Yeah? Yeah, you know,

2552
02:21:00,400 --> 02:21:03,920
Speaker 7: I whether it's familiarity, whether it's just trust, I would

2553
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:05,680
Speaker 7: understand that of Hey, you know what, this is a

2554
02:21:05,800 --> 02:21:08,200
Speaker 7: new venture and I need a running made here.

2555
02:21:08,320 --> 02:21:08,480
Speaker 11: You know.

2556
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:11,920
Speaker 21: I think everybody that's against this, which would be most,

2557
02:21:12,440 --> 02:21:17,720
Speaker 21: has this argument, and it's overwhelming results or lack there Retally,

2558
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:22,119
Speaker 21: if we're here for results, we have been through every path,

2559
02:21:22,360 --> 02:21:28,119
Speaker 21: every avenue. You've started out bad, you've gotten better, gotten close,

2560
02:21:28,440 --> 02:21:31,760
Speaker 21: didn't end well, You've started out really good and then

2561
02:21:31,920 --> 02:21:36,119
Speaker 21: faded injuries. Every excuse has been made. But still over

2562
02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:39,360
Speaker 21: the past nine years you have seen nothing but consistent

2563
02:21:39,640 --> 02:21:43,280
Speaker 21: lack of results. And if that's what truly matters, then

2564
02:21:43,320 --> 02:21:45,440
Speaker 21: you have to make a change. And that's why I've

2565
02:21:45,480 --> 02:21:49,280
Speaker 21: been so vehement about doing it. Otherwise you're just trying

2566
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:51,240
Speaker 21: to hang on. And then you're trying to explain as

2567
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Speaker 21: to why you are and a lot of people are

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02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:56,680
Speaker 21: going to suggest maybe it is financial. You've talked about

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02:21:56,720 --> 02:21:59,240
Speaker 21: this before. I mean, you talk about NFL owners being

2570
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:02,600
Speaker 21: the rich of the and they're not kind. It makes

2571
02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:04,880
Speaker 21: you wonder exactly in this case, you're gonna hang on

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02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:07,400
Speaker 21: for one more year to Chris Mallard because you believe

2573
02:22:07,440 --> 02:22:09,360
Speaker 21: in him, or because you don't want to pay him,

2574
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:11,640
Speaker 21: and then somebody else to do that job.

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Speaker 7: Right, I mean that's and I think, I mean that

2576
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Speaker 7: could certainly be a factor.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 7: I mean, here's the other thing, John. Let's say, for example,

2579
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Speaker 7: that she knows and I understand, when you run a

2580
02:22:26,400 --> 02:22:28,920
Speaker 7: sports franchise, rule number one is you can't like follow

2581
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:31,120
Speaker 7: in with just what fans are yelling for, right, You

2582
02:22:31,240 --> 02:22:34,840
Speaker 7: got to do what you think is best. But for

2583
02:22:35,040 --> 02:22:38,840
Speaker 7: those that are saying, like, what is what is the

2584
02:22:40,879 --> 02:22:43,240
Speaker 7: penalty that Carlie or say Gordon if she's making the

2585
02:22:43,320 --> 02:22:49,720
Speaker 7: wrong decision here, Okay, what's the price he's gonna to pay? Well, funny,

2586
02:22:49,800 --> 02:22:52,120
Speaker 7: are people really not gonna buy tickets anymore? I mean,

2587
02:22:52,200 --> 02:22:53,600
Speaker 7: let's be real, and they will.

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02:22:53,840 --> 02:22:56,240
Speaker 21: And while you're writing what you say, maybe it is

2589
02:22:56,360 --> 02:22:58,120
Speaker 21: time for somebody over there to listen to what the

2590
02:22:58,200 --> 02:23:00,879
Speaker 21: fans say because what you got have been doing, sure

2591
02:23:00,879 --> 02:23:01,720
Speaker 21: as hell, isn't working.

2592
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Speaker 7: It's not working.

2593
02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:04,840
Speaker 21: And I know that you can point to in a

2594
02:23:04,959 --> 02:23:06,960
Speaker 21: seven and one and an eight and two start, but

2595
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:09,920
Speaker 21: it still did it work. And now you're going to

2596
02:23:10,040 --> 02:23:13,200
Speaker 21: have to hustle up and expedite a process with Daniel Jones,

2597
02:23:13,240 --> 02:23:15,320
Speaker 21: whom we hope to bring back, with a team that

2598
02:23:15,400 --> 02:23:18,520
Speaker 21: you hope to bring back, with not a lot of

2599
02:23:18,720 --> 02:23:21,119
Speaker 21: real reason to grasp this product.

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02:23:21,480 --> 02:23:23,640
Speaker 7: So why not for once, maybe you should listened to

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02:23:23,680 --> 02:23:25,600
Speaker 7: the well and may be sure, John, here's the thing

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Speaker 7: to me. It's difficult to say in one breath that

2603
02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:33,320
Speaker 7: you know that injuries are part of the game, and

2604
02:23:33,400 --> 02:23:37,200
Speaker 7: then on the other hands say, but injuries derailed our season. Well,

2605
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:39,480
Speaker 7: if injuries are part of the game and injuries derailed

2606
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:41,520
Speaker 7: your season, then that means next year injuries are good,

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02:23:41,640 --> 02:23:42,160
Speaker 7: you know what I mean?

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02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:45,160
Speaker 21: Like they injury you're always gonna use forever. It's been

2609
02:23:45,320 --> 02:23:49,720
Speaker 21: nine years and nothing has worked out. Move on, kick

2610
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:52,800
Speaker 21: the can down the road without your general manager. Listen,

2611
02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:54,960
Speaker 21: I understand the whole Shan Steichen, the routine because you

2612
02:23:55,000 --> 02:23:57,240
Speaker 21: think you're going to be bringing back Daniel Jones. All right,

2613
02:23:57,240 --> 02:23:59,560
Speaker 21: I don't think he's anything great either, but I can

2614
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:03,080
Speaker 21: understan and that. But continuing to go with this version

2615
02:24:03,160 --> 02:24:07,800
Speaker 21: of decision making it's off putting well fans, and it

2616
02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:10,320
Speaker 21: should be off putting for fans given the results.

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Speaker 7: If Daniel Jones is your quarterback next year, and I

2618
02:24:12,520 --> 02:24:14,920
Speaker 7: think he's going to be, assuming he's healthy. If he is,

2619
02:24:15,040 --> 02:24:18,400
Speaker 7: they better do nothing this off season aside from while

2620
02:24:18,440 --> 02:24:20,640
Speaker 7: he's sitting there waiting for his achilles to repair, then

2621
02:24:20,680 --> 02:24:22,920
Speaker 7: to have him watch videos of teams blitzing because they're

2622
02:24:22,920 --> 02:24:24,840
Speaker 7: going to see a ton of it because Pittsburgh did that,

2623
02:24:24,959 --> 02:24:26,840
Speaker 7: and kind of that's where he got off kilter a

2624
02:24:26,879 --> 02:24:29,320
Speaker 7: little bit. He was very very good to that point,

2625
02:24:29,360 --> 02:24:31,200
Speaker 7: and then it seemed to expose it just a little bit.

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02:24:31,240 --> 02:24:34,160
Speaker 21: Al John, you don't have any number one picks. You

2627
02:24:34,160 --> 02:24:35,560
Speaker 21: don't have to go to the Combine next year?

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02:24:35,560 --> 02:24:36,800
Speaker 1: To you, that's true.

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Speaker 7: We don't have to, John, we'll have to go either,

2630
02:24:40,680 --> 02:24:43,240
Speaker 7: all right, Hell yeah, all right, John's up next. We

2631
02:24:43,320 --> 02:24:44,920
Speaker 7: will try to bring that press conference as soon as

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Speaker 7: it gets underway as well. And I thank you for

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Speaker 7: listening to Quarry Company