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Speaker 1: with this before we get into talking about maybe some

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Speaker 1: of the rest of the AFC. The Colts do do

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Speaker 1: have a game left. We know that seemingly meaningless in

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Speaker 1: terms of what it means for their you know, postseason

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Speaker 1: that's done. Where do the Colts go from here?

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Speaker 2: Chap?

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Speaker 1: In your opinion, I guess I'll begin with where do

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Speaker 1: you think they will go? What do you think Carly

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Speaker 1: Ursa Gordon ends up doing?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 4: If I had to put your salary on the bet.

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Speaker 4: Let me see, there's aren't There's three options, right, It's

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Speaker 4: you bring them back everybody, you blow it up, and

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Speaker 4: you bring it back with probably getting rid of Chris

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Speaker 4: moving on from Chris Powder. But those are the three

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Speaker 4: primary op You could bring back Chris and rid of

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Speaker 4: Shange stacking, which would make no sense to me because

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Speaker 4: his taking's proven pretty good when you when you give

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Speaker 4: him stability, even with a marginal quarterback. I tell you stings,

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Speaker 4: taking getting getting Gardner Minshew a fifteen million dollar free

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Speaker 4: agent contract from the Raiders, his monster, I mean, one

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Speaker 4: play away from them. So yeah, boy, I maybe we've

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Speaker 4: talked on this. Maybe it's just the best guys in

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Speaker 4: the in the media room. My gut says, and I'll

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Speaker 4: duck when I say this, that they're going to bring

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Speaker 4: it back. This, she'll bring it back. This is the

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Speaker 4: argument I'll make, and then I'll change my mind. But

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Speaker 4: I think Carly is going to sit there and say,

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Speaker 4: you know, when we were seven and one and eight

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Speaker 4: and two, we were pretty damn good. I mean, we

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Speaker 4: were good, and I don't want to hear this garbage

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Speaker 4: on the social media that, well, you know they were

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Speaker 4: regressing before this, No, they were regressing. They regressed when

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones broke his leg. He played two games of

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Speaker 4: the broken leg. Fractured, yes, fracture, break break, it's a

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Speaker 4: broken leg, and then the Achilles and that was compounded

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Speaker 4: monsterly by Anthony Richardson not being available because of his

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Speaker 4: uh freak injury. I'm convinced that if that injury doesn't happen,

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Speaker 4: they're in the playoffs because Richardson would have done enough

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Speaker 4: and they wouldn't have bothered Philip Rivers out of retirement.

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Speaker 4: So I in what I can't get out of my

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Speaker 4: mind too, is that I believe she was pretty much behind,

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Speaker 4: not pretty buch. I think issues behind most of the

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Speaker 4: things that Chris did in the off season, you know,

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Speaker 4: the big contracts for Ward and buying them and Jones,

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Speaker 4: you know, not so much Jones, but then that's certainly

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Speaker 4: the giving up two verse round picks for Sauce. Gardner

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Speaker 4: told me that they were locked in on this roster now,

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Speaker 4: not just for this year, not just for this year,

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Speaker 4: but for the next few years, and that meant investing

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Speaker 4: something in the offseason in bringing Daniel Jones back, which

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Speaker 4: in my mind they still will now the dynamics have changed.

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Speaker 4: But I just think that the moves that have been made,

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Speaker 4: and I understand, I understand the fan base is done.

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Speaker 4: They are so over nine years of two playoffs and

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Speaker 4: one win, and I understand it, and I can't talk

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Speaker 4: you off of that ledge at all. But I just

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Speaker 4: think to reset now would would be difficult because the

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Speaker 4: year to reset is it in twenty twenty six, when

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Speaker 4: most of the guys, a lot of the really major players,

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Speaker 4: their contracts are up, you know, Buck, although who knows

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Speaker 4: if he comes back from this or needed DIC surgery.

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor, Pittman, Quinton and on and on, and that

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Speaker 4: that's when it seems like is when if you're going

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Speaker 4: to blow it up, that's when you do it. So

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Speaker 4: and could they fire Chris batter and bring in a

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Speaker 4: GM and say, by the way, here's your head coach

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Speaker 4: and your quarterback. Yes, I don't think that works very often.

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Speaker 4: They didn't work with Chris and Chuck Bagano, although they're different,

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Speaker 4: different scenarios. So I can, I can. I can hear

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Speaker 4: her sit up there if and when she talks, and

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Speaker 4: and she will be as as rational and as objective

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Speaker 4: H I just think this is this is one of

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Speaker 4: those Squorely years where again Chris Batdard did so many

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Speaker 4: things that a lot of us have been saying, hey,

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Speaker 4: why don't you, you know, deviate and do this, And

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Speaker 4: he gives that the two biggest free agent contract of

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Speaker 4: his tenure, and the Sauce Gardner trade was I mean

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Speaker 4: that just that told you they thought this team was

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Speaker 4: So very few teams can overcome. I understand the Niners

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Speaker 4: did this, that and the other, but they keep in

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Speaker 4: they had Mac Jones. So that's what I was saying,

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Speaker 4: is is that when Jones gets when Daniel Jones gets hurt,

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Speaker 4: they've got ar then then we're probably not having this discussion.

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Speaker 2: So that's fair. Let me ask you this, chap, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Do you have siblings?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Are you? They're older or younger than you?

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Speaker 3: A little about a year older?

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Speaker 1: The reason I ask, for example, when I went to

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Speaker 1: high school, you know, especially a big school like North Central, right,

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Speaker 1: And I had an older sister who was a senior,

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Speaker 1: getting ready to go into a new venture, into a

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Speaker 1: older brother or the older sibling that can kind of

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Speaker 1: this knowing, yes, I realized that she this is she's

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Speaker 4: Time, I guess. But I again, that's gonna be a

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have Again. She's gonna have to understand that

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Speaker 4: that she will be shouting at the masses who won't

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Speaker 4: be listening to her. But that's why, and I don't well,

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Speaker 4: I think she understands that she won't be driven by

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Speaker 4: the fan base. She can't be she can't be swayed

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Speaker 4: And I understand it is the very, very loud minority,

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Speaker 4: it's they're gonna win eight or nine games again for

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Speaker 4: what the third straight year under understriking. So I yes,

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Speaker 4: there's that comfort level, but that's a dangerous thing to

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Speaker 3: I'm going to lean on Chris's experts.

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Speaker 2: That's no, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm

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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I guess. But but she's the one thing

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Speaker 4: that people need to understand, and I'm I know I'm

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Speaker 4: not wrong with this. This is not the first year

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Speaker 4: she's she's had the heavy hand in guy his team.

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Speaker 4: It's not you know, Jim wasn't in the best of health.

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Speaker 4: The last couple of years. She's taken on a much

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Speaker 4: much stronger role. Now, Jim always said, you know, veto

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Speaker 4: power because it's his team. But I think the last

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Speaker 4: couple of years, I'm won't go too much farther than

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Speaker 4: two years. She's had a heavy hand in things. And

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Speaker 4: that's why when people say, oh, I wonder what her

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Speaker 4: relationship is gonna be with baalor now that well, it's

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Speaker 4: been tight. She's trust him she's believed in him. Uh,

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Speaker 4: it's just going to be does she does she believe

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Speaker 4: that he no longer can do the rebuilding of what

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Speaker 4: of what he's had a hand in not getting done.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the thing. And when people shout that nine

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Speaker 4: years is enough, yes it is, Yes it is. And

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Speaker 4: but but just to say he's done nothing is wrong.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm on board that he's that he's not

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Speaker 4: been able to get a path rusher. He hasn't, Uh,

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Speaker 4: despite a lot of investment draft capital. I would argue

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Speaker 4: his best pass rushers have been free agents in Godway

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Speaker 4: and jessin Houston, Dinko Watfrey. Uh so, I just I

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Speaker 4: and then then Doug get it fixed. And they haven't,

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Speaker 4: although it looked like they did until Jones got hurt,

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Speaker 4: because I'm telling you they were pretty good. Now we

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Speaker 4: they were getting their defense together. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 4: Mooney Award misses ten games with three concussions. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you don't you can't prepare for that. You lose, you

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Speaker 4: lose Buckner, who is You're, in my mind, the most

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Speaker 4: indispensable defensive player. If you told me this past game,

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Speaker 4: I could have Buckner or Sauce Carter, I'd take Buckner

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Speaker 4: as good as Sauce Gardner is. But that's why I

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Speaker 4: say it's But the problem is they they they've they've

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Speaker 4: frustrated and has lost tolerance. But all I'm saying is,

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Speaker 4: her to nuke this place, then it's going to be

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Speaker 2: It just is it kind of dark for three or

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Speaker 2: four years?

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Speaker 4: It's not darkest damn, you know, darkest darkes the Jets,

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Speaker 4: and whether.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's better the Jets have four first round picks

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Speaker 1: the next two years the Colts have none.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and not that I try. You're right, You're right.

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Speaker 4: Uh, Cleveland's had a bunch of first round picks over

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Speaker 3: And what have they done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're arguing Margins, Now, is it better to be

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Speaker 4: eight and nine or three in fourteen? R? Well, I

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Speaker 4: mean it's a you're in the same spot, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: one's just a little bit deeper on.

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Speaker 2: To each other for the first round, right yeah.

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Speaker 4: Right, So but no, it's this is import and I

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Speaker 4: hope whatever she does, even if that includes nothing, if

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Speaker 4: if it's one more time, I hope she addresses it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if she will or not.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you know, if you're not gonna get change, why

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Speaker 4: would you say you're not gonna get change. I think

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Speaker 4: jimmers they put out that missive last year on Sunday

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Speaker 4: Night that I need to do back there and look

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Speaker 4: exactly what it said, but that they we're rolling them back.

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Speaker 4: I hope she does because I think the fan base

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Speaker 4: needs to hear from her on on why. And of

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Speaker 4: course if there is a change, I'm sure she will

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Speaker 4: address address the fan base because this is her team now.

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Speaker 4: Her nurse says, So, I don't dismiss Kaitly and Casey,

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Speaker 4: but Carly is the one that's driving the bus on

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Speaker 4: the team moves. So I think i'd go as far

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Speaker 4: as says she owes it to the team, to the

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Speaker 1: Okay, Chap end conclusion here, Mike Chap with my guest

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Speaker 1: Joba House Peel and poor guest line. Occasionally this happens

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Speaker 1: I know, but like right now you sound so here's

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Speaker 1: Give me a hug. Just simply say that this is

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Speaker 4: This is a chatty bear, give me a huck? If

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Yeah, Chap, we appreciate it as always.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna hear that driving down that road. Now,

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Speaker 1: The question is, brother, would it be chapter just out

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Speaker 1: the NBA that are now eligible or deemed to be

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Speaker 1: eligible Scott Drew signing or you know, going out and

435
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Speaker 1: recruiting one for Baylor.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing more. There's a player that just played scored.

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Speaker 1: I think, in an NBA game that has opened up

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Speaker 1: recruiting from a college standpoint. Brian I flippantly posted this yesterday,

439
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Speaker 1: and I want your reaction to it, but I've mentioned

440
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Speaker 1: this casually over the last probably five years, but I

441
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Speaker 1: jokingly said, the twenty thirty thirty one NBA G League

442
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Speaker 1: Alabama Crimson Tied, Arkansas Razorbacks, Baylor Bears, Ignite, IMG Academy,

443
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Speaker 1: Indiana Hoosiers, Kansas Jayhawks, Kentucky Wildcats, Oregon Ducks.

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Speaker 2: You get the point.

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Speaker 1: Are we headed there where eventually you're going to have

446
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Speaker 1: power programs that are going to secede away from the

447
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Speaker 1: NCAA and say, you know what, we are now aligning

448
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Speaker 1: ourselves within a funding and we are going to become

449
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Speaker 1: a G league. I know that sounds ludicrous or does it?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Just to circle back on something real quick, that James

452
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Speaker 5: and the James Nagy kid who signed with Baylor didn't

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Speaker 5: sign an NBA contract, So that's what that's right.

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Speaker 1: He was to be He was drafted and he's a

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Speaker 1: he was a foreign right drafted.

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Speaker 2: In had grated, but he did not sign. Correct. Okay,

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Speaker 2: my apologies.

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Speaker 5: So Trenton Flowers is the kid who is in the

459
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Speaker 5: G league now, who there was a report this weekend

460
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Speaker 5: about him getting some interest. He has played in NBA games.

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Speaker 5: He I can't imagine him possibly being eligible to play

462
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Speaker 5: college basketball, but that hasn't stopped schools from at least

463
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Speaker 5: calling to try to find out because that's the extent

464
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Speaker 5: they're willing to go. But a lot of schools behind

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Speaker 5: the scenes have kind of separated themselves from that since

466
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Speaker 5: that first came out. Whether or not you will see,

467
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Speaker 5: you know, college basketball become kind of a G league

468
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Speaker 5: type of situation, as you kind of alluded to, I

469
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Speaker 5: don't know. I mean, ultimately, you're still tethered to higher

470
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Speaker 5: education as much of it, as much as that's become

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Speaker 5: a punchline here in recent years. I don't know how

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Speaker 5: these admissions offices are getting this done in a lot

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Speaker 5: of cases, but I think, you know, college basketball to

474
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Speaker 5: a certain extent has always been a G league because

475
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Speaker 5: all the one and done's. The NBA has that rule,

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Speaker 5: not because they want those guys going to college to

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Speaker 5: benefit the colleges, but because they want those guys becoming

478
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Speaker 5: stars in their sport before they get to the NBA.

479
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Speaker 5: So there's a brand there so that people are interested

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Speaker 5: in the draft. You know, that's always been kind of

481
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Speaker 5: a self serving NBA rule. I don't know where this goes,

482
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Speaker 5: but all the professionals coming over from Europe a lot

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Speaker 5: of whom are in their twenties, a lot of the

484
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Speaker 5: he's you know, fringe NBA guys who might be warming

485
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Speaker 5: their way into college basketball now because coaches let them in.

486
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Speaker 5: This is all about the coaches. This is not the

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Speaker 5: NC doable A. I think people need to understand that

488
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Speaker 5: the NC doable A is the coaches and is the

489
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Speaker 5: university presidents. They write the rules and then their coaches

490
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Speaker 5: go and find ways around those rules. So when Scott

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Speaker 5: Drew comes out today and blames the NC doable A

492
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Speaker 5: for they're not being rules, he's talling on himself because

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Speaker 5: he's in the NABC, his university is part of the

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Speaker 5: n cluable A that forms these committees that make these rules.

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Speaker 2: And then.

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Speaker 5: He goes out, sees a loop, Paul takes advantage of it,

497
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Speaker 5: and then and then blows up all the other rules.

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Speaker 5: So who knows where this goes from here. But the

499
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Speaker 5: NC DOUBLEA does not move quickly as we know. So

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Speaker 5: if anybody expects there to be rules passed down tomorrow

501
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Speaker 5: that coaches can no longer do this sort of stuff,

502
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Speaker 5: that's just not going to happen. It's up to the

503
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Speaker 5: coaches to not do it and coaches can't help themselves

504
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 5: because they need to win, they need to protect their contracts,

505
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Speaker 5: and they will do whatever they have to do to

506
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Speaker 5: benefit them right here, right now, and not worry about

507
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Speaker 5: what it means for the sport that they have leaned

508
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Speaker 5: large in for their entire careers.

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Speaker 2: Brian.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that most impresses me about Brian

511
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Speaker 1: Nibbert's my guest, Java House Peel and poor gas line

512
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: he's with Golden Black. What has most impressed me about

513
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Speaker 1: Matt Painter and about the Purdue basketball program is it

514
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Speaker 1: almost feels like they're like the last pillar of scruples

515
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Speaker 1: here in this And when you look at Trey Kaufman,

516
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: Renn and Fletcher Lawyer, you know, Braden Smith, guys that

517
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Speaker 1: had opportunity to go elsewhere once, particularly that they were

518
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Speaker 1: established at Purdue. There's a culture there. And that's such

519
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: an overused word culture right, Yes, yes, but mattar with me, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and Matt Painter has been able to go

521
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Speaker 1: out and say and he's he's masterful at using this

522
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Speaker 1: magnifying glass to scrutinize and look over players and say

523
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Speaker 1: that guy has my culture. Can Purdue continue to do

524
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: that or are these guys the last sand going through

525
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Speaker 1: the hour glass before eventually everyone has to conform to

526
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Speaker 1: this new way.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think he's going to go to the

528
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Speaker 5: links that you know, Scott Drew just went to. I

529
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Speaker 5: don't think he's going to go to the links that

530
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Speaker 5: the byus of the world. You know, a lot of

531
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Speaker 5: the big money places are going to go to produced

532
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Speaker 5: players do very well financially. This isn't you know, a

533
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Speaker 5: situation where where Purdue has refused to acclimate to the

534
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 5: conditions on the ground. They just don't push boundaries, They

535
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Speaker 5: just they just play the game as the rules are written.

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Speaker 5: You could you could make a tortured argument that Scott

537
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Speaker 5: Drew's doing the same thing, but that doesn't mean that

538
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Speaker 5: what he's doing is in the best interest of the game.

539
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 5: Purdue has done things its way, which it would call

540
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 5: the right way. I would tend to agree with it.

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Speaker 5: I've always kind of wondered, you know, when the FBI

542
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: stuff came out, nothing came of it.

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Speaker 2: Like, who's the sucker here?

544
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Speaker 5: Is it the people doing it the right way or

545
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 5: is the people doing it the wrong way or the

546
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 5: or the illegal way? And I think that produce success

547
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Speaker 5: here the last five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten years

548
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Speaker 5: has kind of validated Purdue's way as an effective way.

549
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 5: You can still do it a certain way, and when

550
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Speaker 5: big I don't see that really falling off a cliff

551
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Speaker 5: after this year, when all these seniors leave Purdue, I

552
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 5: think they've got a pretty good thing set up, so

553
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 5: it's sustainable. It's just it's going to get you at

554
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 5: some point. It's going to get you when somebody you

555
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 5: don't expect to leave leaves. It's going to get you

556
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Speaker 5: when somebody does jump for more money. I think the

557
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Speaker 5: whole discussion about Purdue keeping all these guys in school,

558
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 5: when people talk about that, that they completely underestimate the

559
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 5: fact that sometimes guys want to play where they want

560
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 5: to play. If they're happy at the school they're at,

561
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 5: making two and a half million dollars a year instead

562
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Speaker 5: of a million dollars a year, it's not as big

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Speaker 5: a deal. And I think all of these guys appreciate

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Speaker 5: that Matt Painter has been fair with them, He's been

565
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 5: honest with them. They can't ask for better basketball situations

566
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Speaker 5: because they've played it every minute they can handle since

567
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Speaker 5: day one at Purdue. They've never been lied to they've

568
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 5: they've never been promised things that weren't delivered upon, And

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Speaker 5: that's just kind of his way of doing things. And

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Speaker 5: I'm sure a lot of coaches would say they do

571
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Speaker 5: the same things, and probably they don't.

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Speaker 2: But so far, so good for.

573
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Speaker 5: Matt Painter in terms of doing things his way and succeeding.

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Speaker 5: I think it's endurable for the short term. We'll see

575
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: where kind of things go in the future. If this

576
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 5: becomes a situation where everybody's rolling out g leaguers and

577
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 5: finding ways to get twenty three and twenty four year

578
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 5: olds into school and importing new international pro teams every

579
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 5: single year like Illinois is, I don't know. We'll have

580
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 5: to see, but for the time being, I think producing

581
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Speaker 5: a pretty good spot doing it its.

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Speaker 2: Way, Okay, Brian.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, tonight obviously predude taking on Kent State. That is

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Speaker 1: kind of the last of things before you get into

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Speaker 1: and we turn the calendar into the Big ten play.

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Speaker 1: Anything in particular you're looking for there, is there anything

587
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Speaker 1: that you have seen or not seen so far out

588
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Speaker 1: of this group that you say, yeah, I still want

589
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: to see that fine tuned or are they really realistically

590
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: in pretty good shape and we know who they are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, consistency.

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Speaker 5: I think the way that Purdue has defended since the

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00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 5: second half the Iowa State game, which was kind of

594
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 5: an abomination, the way Purdue's defended, the effort they've put

595
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 5: in to being good defensively, the connectedness they've played with defensively,

596
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Speaker 5: the tone Braden Smith especially has set from a defensive

597
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 5: standpoint has been a game changer for them. And between that,

598
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Speaker 5: if they maintain it all year and the rebounding piece

599
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Speaker 5: of it, I think you're pretty well suited to win

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Speaker 5: on the road, and you're obviously going to have to

601
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Speaker 5: win a lot of road games to win the Big Ten.

602
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Speaker 5: And I think Purdue's got a huge advantage in the

603
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Speaker 5: Big Ten race given that Michigan, Michigan State, and Illinois

604
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 5: all come to mac here, you know only. But that's

605
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 5: only an advantage for Purdue if they don't take care

606
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 5: of business that Wisconsin, if they don't win it Indiana,

607
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 5: which they should. But we've said that a lot in

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Speaker 5: recent years, and it's not always happened, you know. In

609
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 5: the brass all of a sudden looks like a really

610
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 5: tough road game. So Purdue's got to beat the people

611
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 5: on the road that it should be, and if it does,

612
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden you're sitting here with huge

613
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Speaker 5: advantages with Michigan, Michigan State in Illinois all being one offs,

614
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 5: all in Macurina. And if you can protect your home

615
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Speaker 5: court and get at least two of those three games,

616
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Speaker 5: it's not all three, You're gonna win a big time.

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Speaker 2: Brian, you ever had an IQ test? You ever taken

618
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Speaker 2: an IQ test?

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Speaker 5: I haven't. I'd be afraid of the results.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and forty six. That's what I'm saying for you,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty six. I can tell in your writing.

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Speaker 1: When I read your stuff, I think to myself, this

623
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Speaker 1: guy genius level and is able to put this stuff

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Speaker 1: in a place where someone like me and the Vata

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Speaker 1: mediocrity can comprehend it, which is in itself a gift. Right,

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Speaker 1: So that might be one hundred and forty eight. I'll

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Speaker 1: give you two more points for that gift.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for telling your listeners that I paid you

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Speaker 5: to say that.

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Speaker 2: No, you didn't, You didn't.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you you can venmo me if you'd like,

632
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Speaker 1: or just get me a Java house when I'm up

633
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Speaker 1: in Lafayette next I always love that as.

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Speaker 2: Well, Brian, I appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 3: Got a house.

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Speaker 2: What's happroblem? Jake.

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Speaker 5: I will happily get you a Java house anytime you're

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Speaker 5: in town.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Happy New Year to you Man, you as well, Jake.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me man. Brian Nubert, Goldenblack dot com