Speaker 1: The phrase per second podcast.
Speaker 2: H m hm, y'all gonna out here doing for you
Speaker 2: to say what I'm gonna do your forph Are y'all
Speaker 2: gonna do it week to week?
Speaker 3: Gonna bring that up because it comes out on Sundays,
Speaker 3: So I don't know how that's gonna work. And Nate,
Speaker 3: they wants to be on it, so she said, just
Speaker 3: let her know. If it's a week to week, y'all
Speaker 3: doing the batches, what y'all gonna do? If we did
Speaker 3: it week to we could would have to be virtual.
Speaker 4: It would have to be virtual, and I think we
Speaker 4: should do that week the week, but which means virtual Monday.
Speaker 2: I'll sacrifice for Euphoria. I'm not sacrificed for Paradise.
Speaker 1: So we have to see if if she's free on
Speaker 1: Monday too.
Speaker 3: Is the new season? Is the hype big enough?
Speaker 1: It seemed like it.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 4: It seems like there's a lot of talk, like I'm
Speaker 4: saying commercials, they pushing it.
Speaker 1: Now you were just in this movie.
Speaker 2: And hold up, because I know I've been hold up.
Speaker 5: I've been thinking about conversations and people saying like your
Speaker 5: Phizz is not in it, and Fizz is like the
Speaker 5: like the moral levity, like how they're going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like, is it just gonna be just
Speaker 3: but wold ship the whole time? The sister though, I
Speaker 3: thought she was gone. When it feels a day, I
Speaker 3: thought no. Talking about storm read and the mom Yeah,
Speaker 3: storm Readers for Moral Liberty though, mm hmmm. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think it's gonna hold up.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be pretty wide personally some Monday.
Speaker 3: Could you record on Mondays win started winning? But you
Speaker 3: it'll be next week's here. I don't depend on what
Speaker 3: time because I started I start a new job on
Speaker 3: the twenty. Oh congrats, that's dope. Would you do you
Speaker 3: be here on Monday? I mean, if I my job
Speaker 3: is virtual, I probably wouldn't get home to like seven
Speaker 3: coming from here to where I live there, so about
Speaker 3: seven thirty if if they want to record that later,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's up to you all the time.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you would it be better to do
Speaker 2: it in person. Is that what you're getting at?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because my new job is like three minutes away
Speaker 3: from here, but it's better for him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying normally in this office
Speaker 4: on Mondays, so he'll be around the corner too.
Speaker 3: It's like five less than five minutes. So the first
Speaker 3: one comes out, it come out to fourteenth. So the
Speaker 3: first one be the fifteenth, right, I thought it come
Speaker 3: on on twelfth. I thought twelfth too, So I don't
Speaker 3: start to the twentieth. So starting after the twentieth, I
Speaker 3: could do it in perching. It would be quicker if
Speaker 3: y'all wanted. But if we did it virtual, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: be able to do it to about seven thirty.
Speaker 4: The only thing would be Nay getting here in person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I doubt she's gonna want to do that. On
Speaker 3: a Monday.
Speaker 2: I could do it.
Speaker 3: I was just listening to well paying my gas right now? Yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I could do virtually like seven thirty. That's fine.
Speaker 3: It'll be run.
Speaker 2: About Rod and even Nick Nick probably Nick can probably
Speaker 2: jump on that.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm throwing the mind daddy. On Wednesday, Wait
Speaker 4: till this gas price come down? Right, I was like, bro,
Speaker 4: hell no, seventy fucking dollars.
Speaker 2: Jesus, I put a fifty yesterday. My litt last car
Speaker 2: shit hurt me.
Speaker 3: Diesel is five twenty nine. Bro sh is fucking crazy
Speaker 3: hurt me.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: We want to leave my side, bro. Yeah, and you're
Speaker 4: all the way down in the boat.
Speaker 3: Yes, which I should have been covering. Is Invincible? That
Speaker 3: girl that I showed you, she really like it.
Speaker 2: She she if you want.
Speaker 3: If you were watching it, I don't think. I don't
Speaker 3: think I'm caught up. I think I'm one episode back.
Speaker 1: Five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, you in for some that came out Sunday.
Speaker 2: When did the newest episode come out? Tuesday or Wednesday?
Speaker 2: And I know it's in the middle of the week. I
Speaker 2: just get a notification in the middle. I just stop
Speaker 2: what I'm doing and go watching Invisible.
Speaker 3: I was in Knoxville from Wednesday to Monday, so I
Speaker 3: don't think I saw that.
Speaker 2: Man, when you get home, go watch Invincible. I forgot
Speaker 2: about dollars.
Speaker 3: I also bit trying to get on the pit. But
Speaker 3: I'll check it out. Oh right, So I guess it's
Speaker 3: a early day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't. Yeah, it will be.
Speaker 3: It's all we got is list in source code life
Speaker 3: trailer reaction. We ain't doing it. Oh, we can do that,
Speaker 3: I guess if you have something. Yeah, that's it's easy.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: Plus I won't be here in two weeks, even like
Speaker 5: throughout that week. Yah, I'm going to boy so I
Speaker 5: won't be Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like pattle label and Mike McDonald don't.
Speaker 3: Do those zip lines. You see that girl got killed
Speaker 3: from here doing the zipline. Mm hm you talking about
Speaker 3: from years ago? No, it just happened. This just happened.
Speaker 2: I remember the one woman died on the zipline. They
Speaker 2: said she cut her leg and got us flush eating
Speaker 2: virus from a zipline.
Speaker 3: They said, just let her die from a head injury,
Speaker 3: like she did the zipline thing and hit her head
Speaker 3: on something and she was okay. But then once they
Speaker 3: left the zipline place, she started feeling dizzy and fainted
Speaker 3: and they took her to the hospital and she died
Speaker 3: in the hospital. Did she have a helmet on? They didn't.
Speaker 3: They were real vague about what happened.
Speaker 5: But from Marietta, let me tell you like this, I
Speaker 5: drive a car every day and watch the pit anything.
Speaker 2: Too shit because I do it to j.
Speaker 5: All right, folks, welcome to another episode of the Frames
Speaker 5: per Second podcast. You know, we got a not foreign
Speaker 5: voice but not usually hosting voice, uh me doc hosting
Speaker 5: to with me I have Ken, Spike and Mike see time.
Speaker 2: And even though we're covering this film the drama.
Speaker 5: Which is more of a rom com, kind of a
Speaker 5: dark comedy, this is probably more of like Rod's Wheelhouse.
Speaker 5: I will actually be cover covering this film. And before
Speaker 5: we get into the note nuts and boats of it, damn,
Speaker 5: are y'all familiar with the situation that's going on with
Speaker 5: the director?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, And so I want to say this.
Speaker 5: It came to my attention last night, and I kind
Speaker 5: of wanted to let the cast know, but I also
Speaker 5: want their thoughts on just how they feel about the film.
Speaker 5: So I didn't As a producer, I just didn't really
Speaker 5: let them know. So I'll take responsibility of them not
Speaker 5: knowing this. He wrote a letter to I can't remember
Speaker 5: the newspaper article about ten years or so where he
Speaker 5: was having a relationship and he was in Norway where
Speaker 5: he was twenty seven having a relationship with a sixteen
Speaker 5: year old.
Speaker 2: Now that age is that was the age of consent.
Speaker 3: But he was writing a letter.
Speaker 2: His friends disapprove of it, but he didn't see anything wrong.
Speaker 3: It was real.
Speaker 2: It was real creepy.
Speaker 5: So yeah, just to give some I do feel like
Speaker 5: the topic in this movie is still worth covering. And
Speaker 5: granted this is just me learning about this last night,
Speaker 5: but I did want to acknowledge that before we got
Speaker 5: into the film.
Speaker 3: So oh man, you knew, No, you think I would
Speaker 3: have went mm hmm you listening?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 5: All right, So first things, First, man, what are your
Speaker 5: overall thoughts of the film.
Speaker 1: This is my kind of mess Ain't alive?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the way it was shot, edited, the kind
Speaker 4: of you know, jumping back and forth, you know, touch
Speaker 4: some some getting used to it. But right when we
Speaker 4: got to the end, I was like, oh ship, here
Speaker 4: we go. So so it paid off for me.
Speaker 3: Okay, what about your spoke? I saw this a notion,
Speaker 3: had no idea what it was, so I looked it up.
Speaker 3: I read one sentence and said love story.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit. I got to the movies
Speaker 2: as the.
Speaker 3: First person there, and when people seen it, it was
Speaker 3: people like, cause you tell when you ordered to AMC,
Speaker 3: it's gonna before And I started noticing the people coming in.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, I really I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: white people number the young white teenager and I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hate this, but I love this. This ship
Speaker 3: was fire. I was thinking about this when I loved
Speaker 3: I thought about this when I woke up this. This
Speaker 3: movie was good. I like the way it shot to
Speaker 3: King's point. I think the ending was predictable, but they
Speaker 3: still nailed it. Like I liked the whole movie.
Speaker 2: This was fire.
Speaker 3: But you, Mike, I'm surprised I loved it. I didn't
Speaker 3: think they're gonna like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought this was fantastic.
Speaker 2: It was great. The acting was fucking incredible, incredible, the
Speaker 2: topics were very interesting, the way things played out, the commentary,
Speaker 2: the critique.
Speaker 3: All that was just fucking great.
Speaker 5: Yeah for four Like, I really love this, Like I
Speaker 5: put it on my story and a lot of my
Speaker 5: friends like you like that, are like, yeah, I let
Speaker 5: go see it.
Speaker 3: Like that's how I felt like it was marketing wrong.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well no, I think I think yeah, because that
Speaker 5: was I was talking at a bar last night with
Speaker 5: my friends with my friends and they were telling me
Speaker 5: the spectations of what they think it's going to be,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, Okay, that may be. You may not
Speaker 5: like it if you really set on those expectations of
Speaker 5: the film being like that.
Speaker 2: But if you're open to where it takes you. We'll
Speaker 2: be fine. I'm curious what was it marketed as? Like,
Speaker 2: like what I saw romantic?
Speaker 3: That's what I read, and I stopped.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, nothing romantic about this ship at all?
Speaker 3: Was romantic? I mean, but it's not romantic?
Speaker 1: My okay.
Speaker 4: My idea of what are this was way darker than
Speaker 4: what I expected.
Speaker 3: And I think that's part.
Speaker 2: Of it too, is questioning like love and romance, like
Speaker 2: what does that really mean?
Speaker 3: It reminded me of the movie I've been trying to
Speaker 3: get you to watch Closer. It's similar, it's similar in
Speaker 3: tone to that I'm putting.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put it on the list because I got
Speaker 5: I got Mike's movie in the Mood for Love on
Speaker 5: the list for when I got When I When I Travel,
Speaker 5: And then I'll put that on the list too.
Speaker 2: But it's actually good though you ain't even seen it.
Speaker 2: I don't have to you recommended it.
Speaker 3: I don't trust you watch when you come back.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 5: We opened up the film with our introductions to Emma
Speaker 5: and Charlie. They meet in a coffee shop where Charlie
Speaker 5: discovers the disability that Emma is definitely one ear while
Speaker 5: trying to hit on her. What were your first impressions
Speaker 5: on both of these characters in the opening scene about
Speaker 5: their romance.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not gonna like this movie. I
Speaker 2: was like, it's fucking cutesie. I don't care about this.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, whatever. And I was also
Speaker 2: getting the feeling which might go to what you just
Speaker 2: told me, but it was like, I feel like Robert
Speaker 2: Pattinson is much older than some dad, but that's probably
Speaker 2: not true. I think I just always think that she's
Speaker 2: like sixteen or some shit.
Speaker 3: This is this is a dude to play Batman Twilight.
Speaker 2: I just always feel like he's like forty yeah, and
Speaker 2: she's like, you know, nineteen or some shit. I'm sure
Speaker 2: that's wrong, but either way, I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a cute seed love story, all right whatever.
Speaker 3: I was thinking the same thing. Corny white guy really
Speaker 3: attracted black girl. I really don't even see this well
Speaker 3: colored lady of color. I really don't see this going.
Speaker 3: And I don't think she's black. She's black. She's black, yeah, she.
Speaker 5: From She from the Babe and she's from the Babe.
Speaker 5: Bro that you got to see that video time hollering
Speaker 5: meeting her family.
Speaker 3: That is so fun. I haven't seen that there.
Speaker 5: You're right, You're right, they all right because he's yeah,
Speaker 5: like I got cool about it.
Speaker 2: But you can tell you little off like she got water, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: she got shett.
Speaker 3: I remember that. That's a difference between the two.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was with Mike. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: f gonna do something corny with this movie. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I'm here for it, but yeah, she's from Oakland,
Speaker 3: my boy. Okay, yeah, I remember that. Now you're talking
Speaker 3: about the video. I definitely remember that.
Speaker 1: Now. Yeah. I was like, y'all got it? You felt.
Speaker 3: I guess. I was just here.
Speaker 1: I was just here.
Speaker 3: I didn't like, didn't turn me off either way. It
Speaker 3: was all right cool. What do you think about the flashback.
Speaker 5: Scenes that we were getting they learning about the romance
Speaker 5: that they were having.
Speaker 3: That's when I became interested. I was like, Okay, from
Speaker 3: it to the story a different way. I wonder why
Speaker 3: they're telling the story, like just jumping back and forth
Speaker 3: from back and forth to the present day. And I
Speaker 3: thought it was interesting. It was a unique way to
Speaker 3: move down the timeline. I thought that was dope. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree. How'd you feel can.
Speaker 1: Didn't seem like they really liked each other?
Speaker 3: You got that one.
Speaker 4: Well, he seemed like he had sort of issues with
Speaker 4: with some of the things that she did. So I
Speaker 4: thought that this was you know, uh, because he was
Speaker 4: talking about she laughed and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he said it was adorable, but it's obnoxious.
Speaker 2: So I got what he meant.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you don't notice that.
Speaker 2: I mean, my girl has stuff like that where it's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's terrible. But I like it that
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 4: So like they were complaining about one another though, so
Speaker 4: it seemed like they were about to get married but
Speaker 4: didn't want to get married, or maybe that would just
Speaker 4: have an apprehensions about it.
Speaker 3: Get any of that, I don't think at it all.
Speaker 3: I got that they really were infatuated with each other.
Speaker 3: All those little small things good. Yeah, I'm just into you.
Speaker 5: Even when she found out he didn't read the book, yeah,
Speaker 5: she was still like, She's like, okay, let's just keep Yeah.
Speaker 3: I liked the conversation with him and the black dude.
Speaker 3: He was like, it's weird that you didn't. It was like,
Speaker 3: it's weird that I thought it was weird that he
Speaker 3: didn't read it. I agreed with his black friend.
Speaker 2: It's like, I didn't think that was really I think
Speaker 2: it's almost like, if you read the whole book before
Speaker 2: the facts, what makes you a creep?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I feel like if I brought this up to you,
Speaker 2: then I obviously it probably would come up on the date,
Speaker 2: so you at least want to read the cliff notes.
Speaker 2: I agree with that part. I just wouldn't have read
Speaker 2: the whole book. Yeah, going there, you're gonna sit and
Speaker 2: read the whole book a first day. It's if I
Speaker 2: told you this, like on the third date, we already
Speaker 2: get to know each other. I'm like, I'm really feeling you.
Speaker 2: I don't even know who you are yet. Like, I'm
Speaker 2: not about to take my time to read a whole book.
Speaker 2: Let's take like hours out of my day before I date.
Speaker 3: I might would do that. I might well do that. Damn,
Speaker 3: especially for it's a day. Get the ask like that.
Speaker 3: Damn you put extra work for the ass All right?
Speaker 5: Well, any scenes, we learned about their romance, and we
Speaker 5: also learned that they're engaged. So like y'all mentioned Charlie's
Speaker 5: practicing his wedding speech with his best man.
Speaker 3: Who we meet is Mike, but we also meet.
Speaker 5: Rachel, and like the past conversations with Emma, and I
Speaker 5: don't need y'all to react to anything, but.
Speaker 3: It's I mentioned Rachel. That's all. It was like, you
Speaker 3: come out to care. But what did y'a think about?
Speaker 3: I guess y'all already mentioned it.
Speaker 5: It's just the editing as far as it going back
Speaker 5: and how like did it it allowed the movie to
Speaker 5: flow better?
Speaker 3: Did it kind of take away from it? Though they
Speaker 3: had just been traditional, I don't think I would have
Speaker 3: liked it as much this.
Speaker 2: This brought me into the story more. It kept taking
Speaker 2: you to different places, and you got more information each
Speaker 2: place you went to. I loved it. Yeah, I like the.
Speaker 3: Editing, and the editing was definitely cool.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't until we get to the the wine
Speaker 2: tasting that actually got pulled in. Before that I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, this is a little cute, little love story.
Speaker 2: And I like, I can't remember his name, the black guy.
Speaker 2: Everything I see him, I like him. He's always good.
Speaker 2: I ain't never seen him anything, I bet you, I
Speaker 2: can't think. I cannot think of his name anyway, he's
Speaker 2: becoming like the dude from shrinking. That was just on
Speaker 2: the recent episode of the pic. You start seeing him
Speaker 2: pop up. You can't remember the names, like seeing you everywhere.
Speaker 3: Now like my boy from the bear to the patre chef.
Speaker 3: So well, Mike just mentioned, well know, before we get there.
Speaker 5: In preparation for the wedding, there they went and did
Speaker 5: a dance, and but they're leaving practice and they see
Speaker 5: their ceremony DJ smoking heroin. So while testing the foods
Speaker 5: and and the wines at the at the dinner with
Speaker 5: their best man, with the best man in the Native honor,
Speaker 5: they shared their skepticism of about hiring them for the wedding.
Speaker 3: Spike was the DJ wrong for doing little heroin, you know,
Speaker 3: a little little dope she was party. It was a
Speaker 3: big issue. It wasn't none of their business. I feel
Speaker 3: like I wouldn't have fired. I don't think I think
Speaker 3: they made too big because you know, people who do
Speaker 3: crack right, you know, and I don't judge. Yeah, let
Speaker 3: it rock out man on that glass day, right, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't supposed to see her right there, man, So like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think they were overreacting.
Speaker 1: You know, what's she really doing heroin, Yes, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: because she had me. Damn.
Speaker 3: They're convinced that then there's only a few drugs you're
Speaker 3: doing out there there, louling Ford.
Speaker 1: Heroin.
Speaker 3: And I don't think you really just smoke.
Speaker 2: Crack that way, you know, the pip like if you
Speaker 2: see somebody smoking out of a little alumin foild thing
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think it was an issue. What's she good
Speaker 1: at a job? They didn't know yet, No, I thought
Speaker 1: I thought they had just finished during the dance, because
Speaker 1: remember she put that song.
Speaker 2: That racist motherfucker. They did look alike, but you're racist motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they were right because they don't know what
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I thought it was the same she.
Speaker 3: Had to get haired, no good recommendation. They were like
Speaker 3: for them to hire her for a win and she
Speaker 3: I feel like she had, but they don't.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was the dance teacher.
Speaker 3: Well business, what business is it of theirs? Or what
Speaker 3: she do with her free time?
Speaker 2: I got both sides, and I do think that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think they were really setting this up to see
Speaker 2: how the personality of Emma they would it was different
Speaker 2: from I forget Charlie. How their their levels of acceptance
Speaker 2: are different. But I one get why you'd be like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, Like if she was smoking weed, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't think that Heroin is different, cractice different. Yes, if
Speaker 2: she stored a lot of coke, I'd be like, all right, whatever,
Speaker 2: who cares. But you're out in the open smoking Heroine.
Speaker 3: It's out of the open.
Speaker 1: More so for me.
Speaker 3: I just can't do your job New York City.
Speaker 2: I mean, bro, you out in the open, you were
Speaker 2: fun of our field. Didn't do it like it ain't
Speaker 2: nothing like.
Speaker 3: I've been told. Hero A smell when you do it
Speaker 3: is like you out here.
Speaker 1: It is Heroin. No like I don't know, open like
Speaker 1: that and get away with it.
Speaker 3: What can you? Yes?
Speaker 2: What do you ask if white people smoke Heroin? I'm
Speaker 2: the open people. You remember I told the story of
Speaker 2: the of the when we played Philly, my old band,
Speaker 2: they took all of our money and they said there
Speaker 2: was no door money and they were smoking fucking Heroin upstairs.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can remember that story and
Speaker 1: we could smell it.
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, are y'all serious? That is not
Speaker 2: I won't say normal, but that's not that crazy.
Speaker 3: White drugs and public for white people is part of
Speaker 3: the privilege.
Speaker 2: We gotta hide and we go to jail.
Speaker 3: We got a hide. It was broad, it was a
Speaker 3: lot of it was nighttime, it was at a party.
Speaker 3: She stepped people people outside and.
Speaker 2: Outside and open for me, like, damn, you store the
Speaker 2: heroin out in the open, and just like I snowed
Speaker 2: the line up in front of I guess like I'm
Speaker 2: doing heroin in front of a building.
Speaker 1: So what is that?
Speaker 3: Bad judgment?
Speaker 2: It shows bad judgment And I don't know if I
Speaker 2: can trust you to be there on time. You might
Speaker 2: steal a bridesmaid's purse.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: We don't get back to all that when we get
Speaker 5: but if that's the reason, we gonna get back to that.
Speaker 5: So while still at the at the taste thing, this
Speaker 5: leads to Rachel sharing how her and Mike answered the
Speaker 5: question what's the worst thing you've ever done.
Speaker 3: Before they were married?
Speaker 2: Terrible?
Speaker 5: Now, before we completely dive into this sequence, I'm going
Speaker 5: to ask this question a couple of times, but at
Speaker 5: this moment, who is probably your most unlikely, at this moment,
Speaker 5: your most unlikable character, and why if you have one?
Speaker 2: I didn't have one with everybody trying to get.
Speaker 1: Through the movie.
Speaker 3: I didn't like tell my man to lead and dude
Speaker 3: Charlie and I didn't like him. Why he just seemed
Speaker 3: like a dick, Charlie. Charlie looked like he was a
Speaker 3: dick to me. He was more he wouldn't like with
Speaker 3: the dance thing, like he wouldn't like he was just
Speaker 3: stuck up.
Speaker 4: He had his moments, but he definitely came across as
Speaker 4: more of a pushover.
Speaker 1: And stuff like that.
Speaker 3: He was stuck up to me because even with the
Speaker 3: dancing in the car before he was she was wasting
Speaker 3: her time, like he didn't think that that was funny.
Speaker 3: When he was bitching at her and she pulled his
Speaker 3: pants down when they were trying to change the dance,
Speaker 3: she was like, I ain't trying to do this choreograph
Speaker 3: dance that I went and I want to let I
Speaker 3: didn't take him to suck up.
Speaker 2: He can't dance, yeah, and he was embarrassed, so he
Speaker 2: was trying to get her to just be like, let's
Speaker 2: just try or whatever.
Speaker 3: I didn't take it as stuck up.
Speaker 4: If he was trying to make him do something he
Speaker 4: didn't want to do, it was his idea.
Speaker 1: Yea. At that point he realized he didn't want to
Speaker 1: do it anymore.
Speaker 2: No, she didn't want to do it. She was like,
Speaker 2: this is stupid. He kept trying to get it right.
Speaker 2: He was so rigid, and I gotta get this step right.
Speaker 2: She No, she didn't want to good at it. He
Speaker 2: wasn't good at it. So he started freaking out a
Speaker 2: little bit, and she was like, Okay, let's just not
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: That's why she played the different songs. Yeah, and they
Speaker 3: played a little fun song and got upset. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was again trying to show their difference and personality.
Speaker 2: She's always accepting and she's always trying to give people
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt and make things comfortable.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought. They were not made for each other.
Speaker 3: They just looked like. That's what I was wondering too.
Speaker 3: Where this movie going like they're gonna break up for
Speaker 3: some reasons.
Speaker 1: I thought they were a good match. That ship was toxic.
Speaker 3: I didn't get that at all. I didn't get that.
Speaker 1: It looked like they weren't being truthful to each other.
Speaker 3: I thought the opposite. I thought they were in love.
Speaker 5: I thought they were really in love, especially even at
Speaker 5: the taste then too. Before for the question, I asked,
Speaker 5: like they were really vibing, Like you could tell like
Speaker 5: they were really into each other, the way they were
Speaker 5: talking about the food, and how she would like he
Speaker 5: was he would she would basically say something about about
Speaker 5: like what would needed to be decided upon, and he
Speaker 5: would reinforce it and help her.
Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, I thought it was they were good.
Speaker 1: I thought that was just in her face, just appeasing.
Speaker 3: I just thought he was a dick. Now, I think
Speaker 3: Robert Patterson did a good job with that character. He
Speaker 3: did a good job. He did a good job acting.
Speaker 3: But I just like the characters.
Speaker 1: It seemed like a completely different person.
Speaker 4: He had a good mannerisms, the way of talking like,
Speaker 4: he did a really good.
Speaker 2: Job because he is he from England for real, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I thought he was from here. Maybe I
Speaker 2: don't hear a white man so they all could be.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 5: So Rachel volunteers that Mike shares the chairs his story
Speaker 5: and that the whole table wouldn't share as men in
Speaker 5: here never what would you have done if you were Mike.
Speaker 5: Mike's a black dude, And if she's trying to force
Speaker 5: me to tell the story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we ain't doing that. We ain't doing that at all.
Speaker 3: I one, I don't feel like I feel like his
Speaker 3: was the least bad? What wait?
Speaker 2: Am I not remembering that he kind of hid behind
Speaker 2: his girl while she got bit by a dog.
Speaker 3: You think he was the least bad?
Speaker 4: It's not, it's I think it's far less.
Speaker 3: What was Charlotte? Okay?
Speaker 2: You think Mike had the least bad? You think Charlie
Speaker 2: had the least bad? Who do you think at the
Speaker 2: least bad?
Speaker 1: What was.
Speaker 2: That's the worst one to me out of all four? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm more stuck on the least bad. That's the part
Speaker 2: that's tripping me out. I mean for him that I
Speaker 2: feel like.
Speaker 3: We should rank him. I'm just bugged out by y'all's ranking.
Speaker 3: I feel like that tracks for him. It was a girl,
Speaker 3: he really didn't like her anyway, crazy dog in the
Speaker 3: alley he putting her in from And you think that's
Speaker 3: the least bad? Okay? And you still have an answer?
Speaker 3: I mean I have.
Speaker 5: I have been bullied before, So that's why cyber bullion.
Speaker 5: I know how, but I don't know. I really don't
Speaker 5: know when I was like that's it.
Speaker 3: But he made him leave town. Yeah, it's a big deal.
Speaker 3: He up his whole bottom too, right, I think I'm
Speaker 3: questioning what movie y'all saw.
Speaker 2: What are you saying Amas was the least bad. She
Speaker 2: didn't do anything. Hers was easily the least bad. Everybody
Speaker 2: else actually did so affected the person.
Speaker 1: He's not wrong.
Speaker 2: I let let I like getting into the movie.
Speaker 3: Wow, right, right, because but when we watched him.
Speaker 5: While watching the movie, I'm seeing that this ain't that
Speaker 5: big of a deal. But I'm sitting here thinking, I
Speaker 5: let Yeah, for.
Speaker 1: Whatever reason, I was only comparing the three. You know what.
Speaker 3: Actually, you're right.
Speaker 2: I actually I mentioned I ked all four, but I'm
Speaker 2: still just thinking about total total outside of it. To
Speaker 2: your point in my head, actually excluded her because she
Speaker 2: didn't do it exactly. I'm yeah, I get that's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I get, Yeah, a good call. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking about it and I said all four.
Speaker 2: But I'm still to think these other three are just
Speaker 2: the that's terrible to people. Everybody else was a piece
Speaker 2: of ship. You talk about you just know, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, just what is a girl getting malled by a dog?
Speaker 6: Break up with that don't matter?
Speaker 3: That's fucked up. That's abusive.
Speaker 2: You mean, man, that's abusive. I would not have told
Speaker 2: that story, and I would have told my girl he
Speaker 2: needs to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3: Yeah that right now. The joke is the game is over.
Speaker 3: You need to shut up.
Speaker 1: So he got pumped.
Speaker 2: So when when Rachel volunteered that, everybody at the table
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it if you were Charlie.
Speaker 3: What you have said, Charlie was was whatever. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: When she volunteers that, everybody at the even though mike's
Speaker 2: your homeboy, you can see Mike is uneasy about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and now his girl is at the table saying, all
Speaker 2: of us gonna tell us how the worst thing here?
Speaker 2: It's a fun game, because I would definitely play the game.
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 2: The thing about it is this, if there's something that's
Speaker 2: that fucked up, I'm.
Speaker 6: Just not gonna say it.
Speaker 2: Say something else. The time I went on the first
Speaker 2: date and I shot in her backyard, that's the worst
Speaker 2: thing I've ever done.
Speaker 3: There, you go, that's a real story. That's worse.
Speaker 2: Nonut, I didn't hurt anybody. I had the ship and
Speaker 2: she was in the shower, So I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I got a ship, so I wouldn't shot in her backyard.
Speaker 2: Better to wait till she came out. I was like,
Speaker 2: I gotta you know, I couldn't hold it, bro My
Speaker 2: shit came out clean right in the backyard. But I'm
Speaker 2: saying like, I would have just said something like that
Speaker 2: there should I can tell you that's worse.
Speaker 1: I would never Yeah, I never would have played that
Speaker 1: game at all.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't play.
Speaker 5: No, the worst I would tell I think I think
Speaker 5: I'm definitely telling my partner before we get married.
Speaker 2: Though that's not that's a good point. I'm down because
Speaker 2: I kind of will. I'll be jumping ahead if I said, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't you understand, I tell your nose. Well, if
Speaker 2: I would have told my partner, it would have been
Speaker 2: before we were actually engaged.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna wait to.
Speaker 2: In some change to tell him. Like, Yo, when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, I got fucking bullied and I was
Speaker 2: gonna I was planning a school shooting.
Speaker 3: Either that, I'm to keep it to myself. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: that comes early on in relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, look, let me go ahead and tell you
Speaker 2: the worst ship that I got, because it might come on.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that eventually I would tell them.
Speaker 5: If I'm really fucking with you and I think we
Speaker 5: locked in, I want you to know.
Speaker 1: You will tell your bad ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want. I wanted them to have a full
Speaker 3: understanding of me.
Speaker 2: You know, I want to find it out later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Michael knows about well we're going to the whole other
Speaker 1: we're gonna move.
Speaker 3: I feel like you can't tell me that after we
Speaker 3: already married. That's my part, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I said before, like, right, sometimes you're
Speaker 5: gonna know everything. I'm gonna give you my darkest secrets,
Speaker 5: Like you need to know everything.
Speaker 2: Because you would be mad if she didn't, if you
Speaker 2: came out and found out that she had a twelvesome
Speaker 2: or whatever, you'd be like, I can't believe you didn't
Speaker 2: tell me that. All right, divorce, you don't want to
Speaker 2: get a divorce. That's why you tell him ahead of time.
Speaker 2: Think about that Canary.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna let it go probably.
Speaker 3: Not with the twelve some of the shooting.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people.
Speaker 3: That's good. That's a good clarify, which what we're talking
Speaker 3: about clarified. Yeah, I mean I knew what Chim was thinking.
Speaker 1: You don't care about the school shooting.
Speaker 3: You'd rather be a school shooting. He'd rather be a
Speaker 3: school shoot than all y'all shooting. Right, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: If I'm in if we just if we deep deep
Speaker 2: in it, they were deep. I don't know, man, if.
Speaker 3: She's it was just all on her.
Speaker 2: If it was like an orgy, no, it was a
Speaker 2: twelve se Does that mean but that could.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody having a good old time.
Speaker 1: Then I'm like trying to make it make sense.
Speaker 2: Now I'm being honest, like I'm talking about it was
Speaker 2: like you had a good night, right if you now
Speaker 2: it was the thing he was habitually doing. No, just
Speaker 2: the one time it was twelve dudes and one hurt. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 2: because I have now twelve on one, I can't do.
Speaker 2: But if it's like an orgy, everybody's having a good
Speaker 2: old time and you know or can I mean, I
Speaker 2: might be able to do all. I'm not to ask
Speaker 2: questions like how did this happen? That would be my
Speaker 2: I would have the context of it would have too
Speaker 2: big sense to me.
Speaker 3: Twelve something means you're all in the room at the
Speaker 3: same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was let it go?
Speaker 2: I mean, if it was, it was well before me,
Speaker 2: who cares? She's the thing about it is your girl?
Speaker 2: Would you would you cry if she had fuck twelve guys?
Speaker 1: Period?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: So it's just a matter that there was twelve guys
Speaker 3: at one one time. It's the one time.
Speaker 1: Reworded rewriting.
Speaker 3: How the twelve is defined, it's minus kain. That's the
Speaker 3: old math.
Speaker 2: I can't say it could have been twelve different rooms,
Speaker 2: could be twelve different houses.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, and everybody listen, say whatever the all your vote.
Speaker 3: Bullshit, I'm.
Speaker 1: I'm out.
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, At the conclusion of this scene, though.
Speaker 5: We get the plot twist that's revealed that Emma said
Speaker 5: she wants planning a school shooting.
Speaker 3: Did this change the tone of the film? Hell yeah.
Speaker 3: I sit up in my seat from here, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, you reclined.
Speaker 2: Like okay, because I was thinking to myself, like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck would I do if somebody told me that,
Speaker 2: like did they planned the school shoot?
Speaker 3: Like how would I judge them? So that's it got
Speaker 3: super interesting to me right there. And their response is
Speaker 3: this is what you're thinking of?
Speaker 1: Response?
Speaker 3: I thought that white lady was being a car you
Speaker 3: unders with you. I understand that you had a cousin
Speaker 3: that you We don't even know if she was cool
Speaker 3: or not, Like, I don't know if you just brought up.
Speaker 3: They never really got to the bottom of it. They did,
Speaker 3: they weren't close members. That what you got from a
Speaker 3: meeting and scene because.
Speaker 2: When he met up with her on the street, yeah
Speaker 2: she was yeah, it was pretty, but she was like
Speaker 2: vague and scene, Well, that's my family, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: That's not what you would say if you were close
Speaker 3: close to your cousin. Okay, you got it, But yeah,
Speaker 3: I thought the the responses were interesting, and then I'm
Speaker 3: immediately thinking, now, okay, where is this movie going from here?
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was super interesting.
Speaker 4: I did not sit up, but I was like, first,
Speaker 4: first I thought she was just fucking with him.
Speaker 1: I thought she was lying, and then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's serious. Then I was like, well, she didn't do it,
Speaker 1: and then I was like that's it, and then I
Speaker 1: was like okay, And then the reaction from Rachel, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I hate this motherfucker. And I was
Speaker 1: waiting for somebody.
Speaker 4: At that table to check her yes, and no one
Speaker 4: ever did, and it bothered the ship out of me
Speaker 4: that she went the rest of the movie without getting checked.
Speaker 1: I she evil. I hate that motherfucker. But but I
Speaker 1: was like, well, she didn't do it, then, why why
Speaker 1: is everybody so freaked out about it? You know? So
Speaker 1: that that was the thing that was bothering.
Speaker 3: Me about you, Mike. I think it's crazy to tell
Speaker 3: somebody that.
Speaker 1: Oh, And that was the other thing I never would
Speaker 1: have said.
Speaker 3: I think it's yeah, what probably would scare me more
Speaker 3: than you doing it because you didn't do it like
Speaker 3: you said. And we come to find out she actually
Speaker 3: became an activist. But I just feeling like you telling
Speaker 3: me is like a warning or something like that.
Speaker 1: See, I didn't. I didn't take it as like a
Speaker 1: warning at all, you know.
Speaker 4: And I think maybe she felt that since she did
Speaker 4: not do it and it was okay to tell it,
Speaker 4: you know, But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't take it as a warning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't read it that way.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I didn't take it as a warning.
Speaker 2: And I also don't take that she thought it was
Speaker 2: not that big of a deal and me go ahead
Speaker 2: and tell I believe her that she was drunk because
Speaker 2: she said she says multiple times, I was drinking and
Speaker 2: she threw up, and well she threw up multiple times
Speaker 2: whenever she talked about it.
Speaker 1: I thought that excuse, but go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, I did at first, until I really thought about it,
Speaker 2: I was like, there's no reason she would have told
Speaker 2: that story. I think that she was a little bit tipsy,
Speaker 2: because if you watch her expressions when he pulled another drink,
Speaker 2: she they focus in on They focused on the drink,
Speaker 2: but they also kept showing her face.
Speaker 3: When the other people were given their.
Speaker 2: Stories, she was like, oh God, don't call me. She
Speaker 2: was she was tipsy and it got to her and
Speaker 2: she just fucking spilled her dumb guts. But I understand
Speaker 2: why they flipped out because that's a very taboo thing.
Speaker 2: But personally, if my girl told me that, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: all right, you didn't do it right, cool, let's move on.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have bugged out because the first thing I caught,
Speaker 2: besides the Rachel being a fucking Karen, was nobody asked
Speaker 2: her why, because my thing is my thing is this
Speaker 2: Rachel's was the fucking worst. You locked a special needs
Speaker 2: kid in a closet and left him and didn't say shit,
Speaker 2: and they found him luckily, and he was.
Speaker 1: Okay, and that day and she still didn't think that.
Speaker 2: She was like that was That part was pissing me off.
Speaker 2: But nobody asked her, like, okay, well, why why did.
Speaker 3: You want to do the school shooting.
Speaker 2: I mean, as somebody that was bullied in school, I
Speaker 2: never thought about shooting up a school because that wasn't
Speaker 2: the thing yet for us.
Speaker 3: I graduated before Columbine happened.
Speaker 2: I can't say I might have thought that shit too,
Speaker 2: not shoot up the entire school. I'm like, yes, in
Speaker 2: trouble but I might have been like, man, yo, how
Speaker 2: can I get revenge on these motherfuckers ruining my fucking life.
Speaker 2: Definitely thought about some niggas was just bullying me when
Speaker 2: I was at my first school, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how can I end it? Like I can't you
Speaker 3: big than me?
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna beat you hand on, Like so I
Speaker 5: bring something and I want to beat your ass. I
Speaker 5: thought about it, like I bring a back and beat
Speaker 5: your ass in front of everybody, and you won't beat
Speaker 5: on me no more.
Speaker 2: Because mine was a group of people. It wasn't like
Speaker 2: it was just one, two or three. It was like,
Speaker 2: damn it, the whole fucking basketball team, the whole all
Speaker 2: the jocks fucking hated me. So I looked at it
Speaker 2: and I was like all right, But I also knew
Speaker 2: I was watching a movie and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: they're gonna flip out. But I can't remember which one
Speaker 2: of y'all said it I was. I was pissed that
Speaker 2: she didn't get checked either. Mike should have been like, Yo,
Speaker 2: you need to fucking chill out.
Speaker 3: Mike was a pussy. He was a bitch because she
Speaker 3: was doing way too Like I get it, it's an
Speaker 3: emotional tie to her with her cousin allegedly, but it
Speaker 3: wasn't that.
Speaker 2: It was just like, yes, because your friends like you just
Speaker 2: want to be on a more high exactly. That's it
Speaker 2: seemed like she never even liked Hima because you went
Speaker 2: this fucking like she said, I didn't do it one.
Speaker 2: Everybody's telling you very meekly to chill out, and he's
Speaker 2: still taking it to the like oh my god, like
Speaker 2: shut up.
Speaker 4: Damn yeah, I was thinking to say. I was like, man,
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, somebody please like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: This scene was so well done. Oh my god, this
Speaker 3: scene was so.
Speaker 2: Especially because Charlie was like, wait, did you really do it?
Speaker 3: He got laughing. He couldn't take believe this scene was
Speaker 3: so good. And I'm thinking about how stupid his face looked.
Speaker 3: Great now to know his whole character.
Speaker 1: Art now left.
Speaker 2: I really don't think I would have bugged out. I'm like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: you planned the school shoot.
Speaker 3: How far did you go with it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I brought the gun to the school.
Speaker 2: What are you he bought the It's crazy, but you
Speaker 2: didn't do it.
Speaker 3: Let's move on.
Speaker 2: You fucking hid behind your girl and usually as a
Speaker 2: human shield. You have no moral high ground right now.
Speaker 2: You locked the special needs kid in a closet, You
Speaker 2: have no moral And then Charlie fucking cyberboy some kid
Speaker 2: until he cried and moved.
Speaker 3: Y'all can't say shit to me.
Speaker 5: The only reason I do. I was on the fence
Speaker 5: with Charlie is because he was like, could you still
Speaker 5: did it? But he was like, they moved because it
Speaker 5: was coincy.
Speaker 3: He said it was maybe a coincidence, said they move
Speaker 3: at the same time, but he didn't know. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: didn't know. Yeah, it's still that he did was fucked up.
Speaker 3: It was just he was.
Speaker 5: Trying to like lean into like, yeah, he was this
Speaker 5: innocent guy.
Speaker 2: So it made it feel like they made the punch
Speaker 2: feel a little less as heavy.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so at being berated by Rachel think about it.
Speaker 5: Uh, it did change the tone of the film for me,
Speaker 5: Like it made me I didn't sit up, but I
Speaker 5: was like we and some ship now, yeah, and it wasn't.
Speaker 5: I saw the trailer, so I knew eventually applied like
Speaker 5: the twist was coming. I didn't know what it was
Speaker 5: gonna be, though, Like I didn't know, Like they gave
Speaker 5: me enough to know that something.
Speaker 2: Changed them from being all happy and lovely.
Speaker 3: So I was like, all right.
Speaker 2: So when it was like like, oh, so, y'all gonna
Speaker 2: talk like y'all gonna have to talk about this, like
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to have a conversation about this, That's
Speaker 2: what made me more intrigued about the tone.
Speaker 5: I was like, so, but how are you gonna make
Speaker 5: this a rom com? If this is what it was?
Speaker 2: And the trailer tricked? You don't know if anybody else
Speaker 2: watched the trailer. The trailer makes it seem like Robert
Speaker 2: Pattinson has.
Speaker 3: The fucked up thing? Did I thought I was there?
Speaker 2: Oh, I read it like Robert Pattinson has because the
Speaker 2: trailer makes it seem like he's spending the rest of
Speaker 2: the movie trying to get her back. Maybe I was
Speaker 2: to pay close to off attention. That's what I got
Speaker 2: from the trailer. So when it ended up being her,
Speaker 2: that's why it hit be so hard because I wasn't
Speaker 2: expecting it. I was expecting his shit to be fucked up.
Speaker 5: So when he gave the cyber bullion, you thought they
Speaker 5: were gonna come back to something.
Speaker 2: Yes, I thought what he was doing was he was
Speaker 2: doing what we settled earlier. Just give them some bullshit,
Speaker 2: but your real thing is worse. That's what I thought
Speaker 2: they were doing. So I thought they were gonna leave.
Speaker 2: And at some point he was gonna tell her like,
Speaker 2: all right, look what I really did was I killed
Speaker 2: a baby. You know what I mean? I shot a
Speaker 2: baby in the head, you know.
Speaker 1: Darn well? Yeah.
Speaker 5: So ever, being berated by Rachel, Emmitt vomits at the table,
Speaker 5: Charlie and Emma return home, where the two head to
Speaker 5: bed without really speaking on what just happened because Charlie
Speaker 5: doesn't want to really talk about it.
Speaker 3: However, the next morning.
Speaker 2: Before they both uh get up, we get a couple
Speaker 2: of cutaways of both the wedding conversation and the relationship
Speaker 2: between the two.
Speaker 5: How did you feel about these these cutaways? How did
Speaker 5: it impact the impending conversation?
Speaker 3: Was the conversation with the black guy? Rue?
Speaker 2: What was they like a dream? I honestly don't know,
Speaker 2: Jo too, I couldn't It was that was right? Yeah, okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He was like, you need to leave right now. Don't
Speaker 2: even go back to ging clothes. I was like, no,
Speaker 2: don't even go get your clothes, just leave. Because they
Speaker 2: showed it happening, and then they then they kind of
Speaker 2: like did like a slow pan of Zundeia sitting on
Speaker 2: the bed, so you kind of get the impression that
Speaker 2: this is her master head, the same thing that he Yes,
Speaker 2: he also.
Speaker 3: Had a dream of the wedding everybody was shot.
Speaker 2: That was crazy. Yeah, yeah, I think it was fake.
Speaker 4: I think it was where the editing kind of really
Speaker 4: started to come in and help help the movie, because
Speaker 4: now you're getting to see like their imagination. But they
Speaker 4: have been doing this the whole time, so it's hard to,
Speaker 4: you know, separate truth from reality real I mean, but.
Speaker 3: Is it truth in fiction?
Speaker 1: Yes? Thank you.
Speaker 5: So Charlie begins to ask Emma questions about why she
Speaker 5: felt this way, how close she was to doing it,
Speaker 5: et cetera. At this moment, Who are you feeling more
Speaker 5: empathetic for Emma, Charlie?
Speaker 3: Why would I feel empathy for Charlie?
Speaker 1: Of course? I mean you're talking.
Speaker 3: About Spike, know, I was, That's who I was talking to.
Speaker 3: What for to marry a crazy person?
Speaker 6: She's not crazy?
Speaker 3: Hat hold on, hold on?
Speaker 8: I felt him like, hey, listen, let's slow down on
Speaker 8: be realistic about this.
Speaker 2: Slow down, Like, listen, listen, let's put this win back
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 4: Was a little punk tune, because why are you acting
Speaker 4: like this just shooting anybody?
Speaker 3: If you act like she's gonna cute because you got
Speaker 3: the pencil. Yeah, because then she started playing back in your.
Speaker 4: Mind, like when she snapped out you get your ship
Speaker 4: together then staying a line.
Speaker 3: That's why I would have scared me because I ain't
Speaker 3: doing Aliday.
Speaker 1: Alive.
Speaker 3: You might come Byn, sir. I felt him.
Speaker 2: I mean, they were trying to make you feel it because,
Speaker 2: like you know, he went back and he started thinking.
Speaker 3: About when they were like he was like, hold on,
Speaker 3: hold I remember that.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: I would, yes, yes, you're right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it seemed normal to me.
Speaker 4: But I think given what he knew knows now is
Speaker 4: he's looking at her differently like Spike would.
Speaker 1: He was at the like a little pump bro.
Speaker 2: You gotta also consider who we're talking about. This is
Speaker 2: like some little wafy white boy from from England where
Speaker 2: these problems don't happen over there, and they're kind of
Speaker 2: they're kind of setting the president, like even just by
Speaker 2: the way he walked up and approached her and he
Speaker 2: was just like all meek and you know, I think
Speaker 2: they were trying to set it up like he would
Speaker 2: not be used to this. Let me tell you something
Speaker 2: right now, if my girl did what uh Emma did
Speaker 2: in front of that taxi, I'd be like, oh, you
Speaker 2: would get you home. I love this because I'm the
Speaker 2: one that's always doing this and she's always with.
Speaker 3: Like stop stop, and I'm like, what your man? Stop
Speaker 3: Like She's like, who cares?
Speaker 2: Let it go, And I'm like, god, damn it. But Noah, Anyway,
Speaker 2: I don't have any empathy for trying.
Speaker 3: Because even when he was doing the ain't nothing wrong.
Speaker 2: Nothing that she did just now, bro, everything was like
Speaker 2: just even the slap, Like the slap. You can be
Speaker 2: like sleepy, I know you loving this ship, but damn,
Speaker 2: hold on, that's but he did she hit him again.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying that even if you don't like
Speaker 2: it and it happens with your partner, there's a conversation
Speaker 2: to be having. Hold On, let's talk about why you
Speaker 2: feel comfortable slapping.
Speaker 1: Me without consent.
Speaker 2: No, he told her he gave the impression that he
Speaker 2: didn't like it, and she still did it again.
Speaker 3: I thought that said after the second one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought After the first one, he was like,
Speaker 2: what the hell?
Speaker 3: He rolled with the first one and the second one
Speaker 3: he was liked. He smacked his ax again.
Speaker 1: She had like three times.
Speaker 3: It was three yes, Derwin did it? Yeah, I can,
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 2: Even that didn't seem out the It wasn't that crazy
Speaker 2: of a thing, like if my girl slapped me, like
Speaker 2: a let's let's talk about baby, why you feel so
Speaker 2: comfortable you think you can slap me while we we
Speaker 2: just need to we need to talk about this. I
Speaker 2: don't look at you being crazy, even though with the
Speaker 2: situation that he was in, I still won't look at
Speaker 2: you as being crazy.
Speaker 3: It's just like you gotta that's a thing for you.
Speaker 3: I guess it's when you add all of them together. Though,
Speaker 3: that's why I would be because now I'm like, now,
Speaker 3: at one point, you got to where you was about
Speaker 3: to shoot up for school, So what would scare me?
Speaker 3: Can you ask why I would be tripping? Because I
Speaker 3: don't know how far you're gonna go. If it may happen,
Speaker 3: you might decide to shoot me one.
Speaker 2: Day, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: how far it's gonna go before you get to your
Speaker 2: breaking point.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what I'm saying. I don't know your
Speaker 3: breaking point, no one.
Speaker 4: But this was like and they showed it like she
Speaker 4: was constantly being bullied.
Speaker 2: And but you don't got no context of that as
Speaker 2: her husband, they made it make.
Speaker 3: Sense, but have the conversation she even told.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, the only way it would
Speaker 4: get that to that point with you is if you
Speaker 4: were doing that same ship to her that some of
Speaker 4: the people were doing. So if you were fine and
Speaker 4: the relationship was fine as it was, you're safe.
Speaker 5: And I guess I'm not gonna get that complete rience,
Speaker 5: So let's get it as far as like. Within the
Speaker 5: review itself, we also began to get scenes from Emma's past,
Speaker 5: So before you even before we see that Charlie is
Speaker 5: thinking about being slapped in the cross Crosswalks situation, we
Speaker 5: begin to get the backstory about Emma. So what did
Speaker 5: you think of Emma's responses and Robert's questioning in this moment,
Speaker 5: m It felt like a kid that like she never
Speaker 5: he hitting at the therapy thing. She never really talked
Speaker 5: it out, and you could tell she never really talked
Speaker 5: it out. So it was interesting in the sense of
Speaker 5: the movie, hearing her talk through this with somebody who
Speaker 5: she loved. What I didn't like is his response, like
Speaker 5: he wasn't as open to it as I feel like
Speaker 5: he should have been.
Speaker 3: He was being kind of judgemential. We too late in
Speaker 3: the relationship to be that judgemental. So I do agree
Speaker 3: with you guys there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with Spike Man. He wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to listen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I felt like, you know, he was also
Speaker 4: putting more pressure on her for something that she didn't
Speaker 4: go through with, you know, trying to really understand it.
Speaker 4: And I was wondering how she would react and respond
Speaker 4: to that pressure because I have that scene of the wedding.
Speaker 1: So now at this point, I'm writing a movie in
Speaker 1: my head.
Speaker 4: They're gonna keep badgering her and pressuring her into this,
Speaker 4: so she's gonna fucking snap. So what that scene was
Speaker 4: that we saw that I guess was his imagination. I
Speaker 4: thought that that was real and that we were going
Speaker 4: to eventually get there because of everybody else, the Karen,
Speaker 4: Mike and.
Speaker 3: Then Charlie, I had the same thought. I was like,
Speaker 3: are they gonna end this movie like that? I had thought.
Speaker 5: I didn't feel that way I felt because she was
Speaker 5: also she's also threw up again. I just felt that
Speaker 5: she she had a lot of empathy or like just
Speaker 5: she just felt bad.
Speaker 3: She really felt bad for even having the thought back then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I felt more of an uneasiness from her when
Speaker 5: he was questioning her, like she was trying her best
Speaker 5: to be honest with him, but because he wasn't as
Speaker 5: welcoming or like handling handling the questions with tech, he
Speaker 5: was just more so trying to make himself feel better
Speaker 5: as compared to being empathetic for her. That's why I
Speaker 5: have no empathy for her compared to Charlie, because it's
Speaker 5: like you're not even giving her the space to really
Speaker 5: like get.
Speaker 2: Through this and talk to you the way she should
Speaker 2: be able to. And so yeah, I didn't I didn't
Speaker 2: take take it as far as like.
Speaker 3: You bring up a good point there in the sense
Speaker 3: of it's more normalized here and she's American versus him
Speaker 3: being an England person. And even the other move we
Speaker 3: did with the age and they had the whole school
Speaker 3: shooting thing with there what's the name of it, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about? The slant, yes, slanted, like
Speaker 3: how normalized it is in American like culture, and she
Speaker 3: was thinking, like, I mean, it's just something that we do.
Speaker 3: I know, what's fucked up. She's probably thinking her head,
Speaker 3: but it was normal to me. So it seems so
Speaker 3: obscure and crazy because that don't happen where you're from.
Speaker 3: It happens where I'm from. I was getting bullied and
Speaker 3: tho it was like, that's to the length I got to.
Speaker 3: So I did agree with the difference of cultures and
Speaker 3: how it would be so shocking to him and her
Speaker 3: just talking about it more calmly, trying to figure it
Speaker 3: out for him.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think for Rachel and Mike not No, that's
Speaker 5: not their excuse. But even she said it, she was like,
Speaker 5: a lot was happened when she was in school. A
Speaker 5: lot was happening in a lot of school. She was
Speaker 5: always happening, And I guess somewhat somewhere along the line.
Speaker 3: She thought it was cool to even speak to idolized
Speaker 3: and some of the schools.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like it kind of got normalized, which is something
Speaker 5: that kids today like it's a way to be remembered,
Speaker 5: and it's becoming more and more common because it's like, yo,
Speaker 5: nobody's doing anything about it, but that person is remembered
Speaker 5: from doing a person to do.
Speaker 3: Something crazy at the school.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think we got a lot here about
Speaker 5: Emma's past two She also talked about her moving from
Speaker 5: schools and how she didn't have no friend Like she said,
Speaker 5: when she was younger it was fine, and then when she.
Speaker 3: Moved in middle school she didn't really have that many friends.
Speaker 3: He saw the kids picking on her, So we get
Speaker 3: a lot there. Her parents went around like she didn't
Speaker 3: talk to them, really said. Yeah, it was a lot
Speaker 3: that added up to as the viewer of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I get it, that's how it happened.
Speaker 2: Maybe she couldn't read, maybe.
Speaker 1: Check out.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately the couple can that cannot continue the conversation and
Speaker 5: they have to me with the photographer. But the photographer
Speaker 5: sensed the uncomfortability between the two of them and offers
Speaker 5: to do a practice run now while the pictures are
Speaker 5: being taken. This is when Charlie begins to start thinking
Speaker 5: about the past of it. It's like while they're taking
Speaker 5: the picture and he's thinking about he's even read, like
Speaker 5: reimagining her as a fourteen year old as he's with her,
Speaker 5: like looking at him, what did y'all think of this,
Speaker 5: this scene and how they used the cutaway.
Speaker 3: All of this was so good in the sense of,
Speaker 3: like the photographer of feeling something was off, and then
Speaker 3: when she was taking a piece, she's like, no, a
Speaker 3: real smile, Like, no, a smile, And he just couldn't
Speaker 3: bring himself to be happy in that moment because he
Speaker 3: was thinking about the shooting and shit. The way that
Speaker 3: they shot this and told this was so well, just
Speaker 3: like through the photographer, like, I can see that there's
Speaker 3: an awkwardness here that y'all ain't got over and y'all
Speaker 3: need to work on it, and neither wanted them being there,
Speaker 3: because she also was like, I wonder what he's thinking,
Speaker 3: which was making her anxious. So because she could feel
Speaker 3: that he was she knew he was off. He was
Speaker 3: anxious about what he was thinking about her, and she
Speaker 3: was anxious about what he was thinking about her.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I know it was good. I think
Speaker 4: using a younger version of her in that moment was dope.
Speaker 1: That was a great choice.
Speaker 4: And there was even a cut to the woman behind
Speaker 4: the desk, and I don't know what that meant. I
Speaker 4: was like, dang, is this motherfucker gonna start cheating.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I thought the tension was so thick that she could
Speaker 3: even tell he could even feel it, Like even the
Speaker 3: resecretary is like, what's wrong with dude?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But no, all this was good him trying to force
Speaker 4: that smile. I think I thought this was good here
Speaker 4: trying to force.
Speaker 3: A smile that was a real smile.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you said shot And so the scene started
Speaker 5: out with her like, I'm gonna shoot your parents?
Speaker 1: Like did that?
Speaker 3: Did that comedy work for y'all? Did it undercut the tension?
Speaker 1: It worked?
Speaker 3: It worked. It was like the same tone as this movie.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was so good.
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do like that.
Speaker 4: I actually laughed in the theater at that because you
Speaker 4: can get what they were doing.
Speaker 1: But it's still worked.
Speaker 4: So it was a good player on words and how
Speaker 4: the meanings of words change, you know, when you have
Speaker 4: some other thing in your head, Like the whole contest
Speaker 4: of that word just became completely different form both of them,
Speaker 4: and all the thinking about is are the shooting shooting
Speaker 4: shootings and not in relation to like this photo.
Speaker 2: And she just kept going, I'm gonna shoot you way
Speaker 2: she pointed at them, shoot you.
Speaker 3: I was in there laughing. They got three like audible
Speaker 3: moments from me in this field. I think that was
Speaker 3: the laugh and then the gaspit the two other.
Speaker 2: Ones, the gas said, the two other ones, I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh ship, like I said it out loud.
Speaker 5: There's a time I said, I said what the fuck?
Speaker 5: And like the white woman next to me looked at me.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna yea explain that.
Speaker 3: I think my whole theateruse it was younger people. So
Speaker 3: I collectively, in the same moments, was like, oh, what
Speaker 3: the fuck? So all right, Well, so you give both.
Speaker 5: You can feel the uneasiness from both of the from
Speaker 5: both of the characters. Once back home, Charlie asked how
Speaker 5: how close she was to committing the shooting when he
Speaker 5: learns that there was another shooting and the fallout from
Speaker 5: that is what caused Emma to stop. We also begin
Speaker 5: to see these mall the mall, like the the conversations
Speaker 5: around the mall shooting that stopped her.
Speaker 3: Uh did the film begin.
Speaker 5: To like build out a more developed mt 'all with this,
Speaker 5: Giving with how heavy this topic was, did did that
Speaker 5: help give us a lot of the insight for Emma?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it made sense, like even more so when we
Speaker 3: start to learn who she is and how you shouldn't
Speaker 3: be judging her because she became an advocate, like she
Speaker 3: started speaking against it heavily, and like she she got
Speaker 3: into gun groups and did the protests, and I think
Speaker 3: even later on the Dad's speech talked a lot about
Speaker 3: that too. So it was something that was very dark
Speaker 3: and haunting that turned her into an activist for it.
Speaker 3: And I thought that was very depthful for her character
Speaker 3: and it gave it more and as a viewer, them
Speaker 3: empathizing with her more of for having to go through
Speaker 3: this with these stuck up as people.
Speaker 2: Do you think it was enough for her to make
Speaker 2: a change?
Speaker 3: What about you?
Speaker 1: Again? Yeah? Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: I wonder because I don't know if Rachel knew that,
Speaker 4: and if she did know that, well, she found out,
Speaker 4: but it still wasn't enough for her.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't it. Nothing was gonna be enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know the one thing that she's upset
Speaker 4: with her about, she turned into an advocate, you know,
Speaker 4: against and trying to prevent them.
Speaker 1: So you know, she's.
Speaker 4: Actually doing more good now, you know, off of something
Speaker 4: that she was actually about to do and and that
Speaker 4: could help, you know, save other people so you don't
Speaker 4: have the same emotional feeling or fake emotional feeling that
Speaker 4: you do about your cousin. So, but I did like
Speaker 4: that they did that with her.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I think it did a good job of kind of
Speaker 4: rounding out, you know, her character, showing everything that she
Speaker 4: went through. The reason why she didn't do it makes sense,
Speaker 4: even her practicing and all those stuff was well done.
Speaker 4: And some of the other reasons why she didn't do it,
Speaker 4: Like she was recording her video and the computer kept, yeah,
Speaker 4: checking up. So it was a lot of signs in
Speaker 4: the universe about that stopped her from doing it.
Speaker 1: And then she turned around and became an advocate. You know.
Speaker 3: For so, I thought that was dope. Yeah, this isn't
Speaker 3: this is enough.
Speaker 5: And like for me, I think the biggest thing was
Speaker 5: just community, like we show it showed, it was showing
Speaker 5: its important community with us. Like the reason she wanted
Speaker 5: to do is because she felt alone nobody cared, and
Speaker 5: as time went on, she realized that, all right, there
Speaker 5: are people who.
Speaker 3: Actually care about me.
Speaker 2: When the boy first asked her to become a part
Speaker 2: of the group, that was un sparked when they asked
Speaker 2: her to be the leader to speak like that really
Speaker 2: was a big change for her too. You can see
Speaker 2: how much it mattered to her and how much it
Speaker 2: felt good to be.
Speaker 3: Seen and being in the community. So shouldn't she have
Speaker 3: included that at the wine tasting Like that would have
Speaker 3: made it come off a little bit better, y'all don't think,
Speaker 3: I mean, how would she?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 3: Would? She said? Well, the worst thing I ever did,
Speaker 3: I almost or I had the thought that I was
Speaker 3: going to shoot up with school. That led me to
Speaker 3: gun advocacy. It's just that the third you think they
Speaker 3: would still be there.
Speaker 2: I don't think you have to. You shouldn't have to
Speaker 2: add that last bit, is what I'm.
Speaker 3: But I feel like if you do add it, then
Speaker 3: they don't have the like if she get mad, then
Speaker 3: she just a can't.
Speaker 5: But if you in a space where you trust, you
Speaker 5: think you could trust these people, these other and like,
Speaker 5: I shouldn't have to give you the caveat of oh,
Speaker 5: look who I am now it's like I made a
Speaker 5: mistake and that's not who I am.
Speaker 2: But the way after that, Rachel was down down the
Speaker 2: throat from there, like she didn't have a chance to
Speaker 2: ever say, but I'm not that person. But she felt
Speaker 2: bad about it too.
Speaker 5: It's just it doesn't help if you already feel bad
Speaker 5: about something and in somebody, just even though you know,
Speaker 5: like it's not as bad as the jot it, I
Speaker 5: feel bad about this.
Speaker 3: She acking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she never I think that was the thing.
Speaker 4: She never got a chance to even get to that
Speaker 4: because nobody really asked any any really good follow up
Speaker 4: questions or probing.
Speaker 1: It was very judging and attacking and anger.
Speaker 4: So emotionally like she she puts up the shield and
Speaker 4: she starts defending herself and she becomes more withdrawn.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, you don't have to add those.
Speaker 4: Sort of additional pieces of context, but sometimes it does
Speaker 4: help depending on the person, you know.
Speaker 1: But in this particular case, I don't think it.
Speaker 4: Would have helped with Rachel at all, because she had
Speaker 4: already been up her mind, so she can she can
Speaker 4: add whatever she wants to Hey, and I was an advocate,
Speaker 4: you know, against it, and this is all the things
Speaker 4: that I've did, and she.
Speaker 1: Can run down a resume. It wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 3: To her.
Speaker 5: Fair So eventually Emma does no longer want to talk
Speaker 5: about the conversation. I have the conversation about the situation anymore.
Speaker 5: She later tells Charlie that she cannot get in contact
Speaker 5: with Rachel as she has contracted to do something for
Speaker 5: her job and it's also her maid of honor.
Speaker 3: We all agree Rachel was fucked up for ghosting the ride.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right?
Speaker 5: So the next morning, Charlie's reaction and perceived paranoia has
Speaker 5: him up rewriting his wedding speech.
Speaker 3: He also threw away a mug that had a gun
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 2: Shoot me if I don't have coffee or some shit
Speaker 2: is said, and.
Speaker 5: It's just off, like we at least I noticed, And
Speaker 5: can you probably know this too. I'm just gonna speak
Speaker 5: like hyperboles. You already know you fuck up in the
Speaker 5: morning if your girl come to you and you walk
Speaker 5: past and she said, well my kiss, like that should
Speaker 5: have been your first time I got a button back,
Speaker 5: like you know when she asks for some affection.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm off. I get it together, And
Speaker 3: he still couldn't get it together, and then he deleted.
Speaker 3: He started deleting the whole guy, damn with the whole page.
Speaker 2: First he was taking out like she has empathy and
Speaker 2: carries the other people's kind I'm like, hold on, how
Speaker 2: did all that in my head, I'm all that, yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree with you there, but he's just so in
Speaker 2: his head about it.
Speaker 3: I think they did a wonderful job, like just shooting
Speaker 3: and portraying his characters, Like I can't stop thinking about
Speaker 3: this ship, Like this person that I thought that I knew,
Speaker 3: like almost did this horrendous thing and I just came.
Speaker 2: You thought like that's like you you now see this
Speaker 2: opens the door for you to think like, well, what's
Speaker 2: the worst thing that she's capable of? That is that's
Speaker 2: we're all capable of the worst though, But you don't
Speaker 2: think that about your partner until like it's really capable
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: That's true. We are all, I think, but you don't
Speaker 3: think of like your partner in their bin. So there's
Speaker 3: a scene, there's a scene that's gonna come back to
Speaker 3: that that that I want I'm gonna bring up. But
Speaker 3: we're all My point is we're all capable of it.
Speaker 5: So I don't look at it as like I think
Speaker 5: my girl is not capable of ever snapping Like I
Speaker 5: think it's all how.
Speaker 2: You know, how you kind of got not? I think
Speaker 2: you really don't. You think you do, but you really don't.
Speaker 1: Maybe because I think the worst.
Speaker 4: I think people are capable of awful things so and
Speaker 4: I think that they just don't tell us the things,
Speaker 4: like the things that go on people here. We have
Speaker 4: no idea what's in there? You know it, bro, if
Speaker 4: you knew the random ship or the dark ship people
Speaker 4: have that, you know, like, it would change your perception
Speaker 4: of all of them.
Speaker 2: You don't even got to share this bike. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure you done have a dark thought. And you're like, no,
Speaker 2: give me the funk out, like I'm better than this ship.
Speaker 5: Like nah, so that's what I'm saying, Like, yeah, he
Speaker 5: can be capable of it, but that don't mean that,
Speaker 5: that don't mean nothing. Eventually they go back to the
Speaker 5: there you did the scene with the I thought it
Speaker 5: was funny throughout the way you were Uh when she
Speaker 5: had the knife.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nervously she jumped the knife. Then she goes back.
Speaker 1: Stab.
Speaker 3: She was like, so like what they jump down?
Speaker 2: That ship was good?
Speaker 3: That was really good.
Speaker 2: And he even he even asked about like the car accident,
Speaker 2: like he's trying to probe himself and trying to put
Speaker 2: you why, like what's her trauma response to this? What
Speaker 2: did y'all think about him asking like, did that car
Speaker 2: accident have an impact on I thought that.
Speaker 3: He was trying to get to have you ever been
Speaker 3: to therapy? Without asking have you ever been a therapy?
Speaker 3: He was getting to like, Okay, you've seen that traumatic event.
Speaker 3: Did you do anything about out and the thing happened?
Speaker 3: Without flat out being a dick and be like have
Speaker 3: you been in therapy before? Which I feel like would
Speaker 3: have been a better question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can forward that mic up appreciate.
Speaker 3: So eventually we are introduced.
Speaker 5: Charlie goes to work and we're introduced to Misha, and
Speaker 5: he asks Misha about a book that was on his
Speaker 5: desk that has women with guns and he doesn't know
Speaker 5: where it comes from, but.
Speaker 3: He doesn't really know.
Speaker 5: But Emma is also asked about Rachel at her job
Speaker 5: and so basically he says, just let Rachel go because
Speaker 5: she's unresponsible.
Speaker 3: Was Emma wrong for doing this to Rachel?
Speaker 1: Hell nah? And that's what she deserved?
Speaker 4: So no, I thought I thought it was well deserved, like,
Speaker 4: and Rachel hasn't been around those other things, so you
Speaker 4: are you basically did abandon your job because you still
Speaker 4: have feelings about Emma.
Speaker 1: So yeah, she got exactly what she deserved.
Speaker 3: And then feel so entitled to say it was your
Speaker 3: fault they let me go, Like.
Speaker 4: One minute you are project, you still work there, like
Speaker 4: you just off the project.
Speaker 3: We thought it was a project for the wedding that
Speaker 3: they hired the outsource to her, that's what I thought.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I thought. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought it was just a project for whatever the company.
Speaker 3: She's yeah, well, anyway, like you said, she aghosted the
Speaker 3: responsibilities and then try to put it back on em
Speaker 3: of like oh, you told them to let me.
Speaker 1: Go, and the level of entitlement.
Speaker 4: You could just dip up off of a project and
Speaker 4: it'll be okay, yes, you know at your at your job,
Speaker 4: like where and why may we in America?
Speaker 5: In some places, so later on when they're home they
Speaker 5: try to have sex.
Speaker 2: But you know, Charlie unfortunate. He can't get out of
Speaker 2: his head. It can't get out nigga do Bro, Like.
Speaker 4: This is way too much at this point for me,
Speaker 4: Like Bro, like you really like so in your head
Speaker 4: that's affected your other head, like.
Speaker 1: For real, like this where we are, like it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense.
Speaker 4: Like Bro, you you really are done with Emma, Like
Speaker 4: because of this one thing and you just can't let
Speaker 4: it go.
Speaker 1: Crow the funk up this ship was getting on my nerves.
Speaker 1: He was, he's just as bad as Emma at this point.
Speaker 3: Why this is bad?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's a very emotional response, but it's
Speaker 4: a different one. Like he eventually got to the point
Speaker 4: where he was able to move past, but right now
Speaker 4: he's treating her the same.
Speaker 1: Did he ever past I don't know, honestly. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: think about it, but I think he I think he finally, No,
Speaker 1: I think he did.
Speaker 4: I think he was able to get to a point
Speaker 4: of of where he was comfortable moving forward.
Speaker 3: He moved past it when he got hands and feet
Speaker 3: put on him, But I don't know if he moved.
Speaker 5: He gave us like a finale, like letting us know
Speaker 5: he is past it.
Speaker 3: I don't think he moved past it until he looked
Speaker 3: in the mirror seeing his face and we're getting ahead
Speaker 3: a little bit. But when he looked in the mirror
Speaker 3: scene this space, She's like all this for this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, even in this situation, Emma tries the
Speaker 5: best role playing and trying down.
Speaker 3: That was one of the that was the audible people like,
Speaker 3: oh she was that after this or that that's right
Speaker 3: down there because now she's still trying to get him
Speaker 3: to you know, they're doing the role playing and ship.
Speaker 2: And he and he ends up like trying to like
Speaker 2: ease attention, ends up head buttoner like nigga, she said,
Speaker 2: what the fuck?
Speaker 3: But from here, Rachel ends up calling thre talking about
Speaker 3: now when they were arguing about it, and he tried
Speaker 3: to pull her move and pull her pants down, head
Speaker 3: buttered on the way up, showing how nervous he was.
Speaker 3: But he's trying, trying.
Speaker 1: He's coming around.
Speaker 5: Emma calls Rachel and saying that she no longer wants
Speaker 5: to be in the wedding so because you feel like
Speaker 5: it'll be disrespectful to her cousin who was.
Speaker 3: A victim in a school shoe. So Charlie decides to
Speaker 3: go see her. Is it I see on your face?
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna ask the question I was gonna constantly
Speaker 5: ask you who's the most unlikable character at this At this.
Speaker 4: Point, oh, I justa easily yeah. And it's like you're
Speaker 4: doing this for what. It's not gonna solve or change anything.
Speaker 4: She's not gonna get the fuck up and walk. Nothing
Speaker 4: changes you're doing this for yourself to make yourself feel good,
Speaker 4: but you're not changing the world.
Speaker 2: You're doing ship.
Speaker 3: Y'all want to know what I said? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: At what?
Speaker 3: She was like, Mike, group around guns. That was funny,
Speaker 3: that was funny. What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Have the same response?
Speaker 2: Yeah, an no guns, group run guns and I'm not scared.
Speaker 2: And I said him before he responded kind of looking
Speaker 2: like what right around guns?
Speaker 1: What the ship raised?
Speaker 2: That ship?
Speaker 3: You saying?
Speaker 1: She said so casually, like like like I believed her.
Speaker 1: I was like they had talked about it. Geez.
Speaker 2: She even says in this uh, I think Charlie was
Speaker 2: trying to ask us first.
Speaker 3: So Charlie was trying to defend him.
Speaker 2: But I think he did a good job of doing it,
Speaker 2: even though he was lying on her behalf.
Speaker 3: Because this is when he said the nigh but she
Speaker 3: was close to I think, yeah, he was doing the
Speaker 3: best he could with what he had with the people
Speaker 3: that he was talking to. Like this is at this point,
Speaker 3: we're going through with the wind, and I need to
Speaker 3: make this conversation go a certain type of ways so
Speaker 3: the winding ain't ruined. So I'm trying I'm grasping his
Speaker 3: crosst any kind of way I can get them to
Speaker 3: get back on her side at least have some type
Speaker 3: of empathy for So I think he did fairly well.
Speaker 4: He did what he could because we've seen like he
Speaker 4: he's not He's a very awkward guy. So he's in
Speaker 4: an awkward decision a situation he's maybe he's with it
Speaker 4: himself to move forward, and he wants the wedding to
Speaker 4: be as comfortable as possible. So he was basically trying
Speaker 4: to talk them down off the let, off the let.
Speaker 4: But my thing is, I think at some point, Spike Jaalen,
Speaker 4: he should have pulled his boy to the side.
Speaker 1: Michael like, Brol you need to get your girl under
Speaker 1: control because this is I.
Speaker 3: Don't even have lied.
Speaker 2: Fucked them, bro, you can't come to the wind.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's his boy.
Speaker 2: Though Charlie still ain't accepted himself, so he was fucked up.
Speaker 2: So that's that's why it happened the way he did.
Speaker 3: But still fuck them like.
Speaker 1: Girl crazy with it. Though Mike was fun, it was
Speaker 1: it was Rachel. She was holding on to it.
Speaker 3: Either way. She an extension to you, my boy, but
Speaker 3: that's his best friend.
Speaker 2: Though in extension your best friend need to fix.
Speaker 1: It, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I want to invite my my, my best friend to
Speaker 4: the wedding.
Speaker 1: How do you check your girl?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna tell him, like, yo, bro, she
Speaker 2: get it together straight up, like just like that, because
Speaker 2: you ain't gonna come here without her.
Speaker 3: I ain't.
Speaker 5: Listen, I'm gonna respect you enough to not fuck up
Speaker 5: your household. But I need for you to figure that
Speaker 5: out for me, so you don't fuck up my house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So, I mean, yeah, I get it was
Speaker 2: close to the wedding, but at that point, man, we don't,
Speaker 2: you know, we'll figure out somebody in the black party, someone,
Speaker 2: We'll figure something about somebody to do this ship that
Speaker 2: he was supposed to do when she was supposed to do.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not.
Speaker 5: I don't have to lie in your path, especially for
Speaker 5: something that's not as deep as y'all are.
Speaker 3: Making it right now.
Speaker 2: Fact agree.
Speaker 5: I also, I know there's a conversation about people having
Speaker 5: like some people are on the side of like this
Speaker 5: is crazy that she did this. But I also wonder too,
Speaker 5: how much does race play effect in that, because in
Speaker 5: that it's black compared to if it was a white,
Speaker 5: white woman who said this, because there was even a
Speaker 5: comment in the flashbacks about.
Speaker 3: When women don't really do this, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: white man.
Speaker 4: I didn't see color in this one. It felt like
Speaker 4: it was more about the school's shootings in general. The
Speaker 4: only color was when he when she applauded to Mike.
Speaker 4: So I didn't even think about it in that respect.
Speaker 4: So I didn't know people were having that conversation because yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, it is typically mostly white man or white people,
Speaker 4: you know, which is why they made the DC Sniper
Speaker 4: was such a thing for for us when that happened,
Speaker 4: he turned out to be black. So no, I never
Speaker 4: thought about it from that perspective. Well it was just
Speaker 4: because she was black.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just wondering, like, outside of the movie, how
Speaker 5: people will perceive what she said because she is black.
Speaker 5: Do they give it more like, oh, like she's she's
Speaker 5: black and she was about to do school compared to
Speaker 5: how you gotta think about it, how.
Speaker 4: They because it's a rarity of black not even that
Speaker 4: as a rarity, just about how we're perceived, like it's
Speaker 4: always mental health for them.
Speaker 2: A white person does something that's the extreme compare for us,
Speaker 2: it's just like that's just in our DNA that we're violent,
Speaker 2: and that's we're reckless and we don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: So her, as a black person singing this, they probably
Speaker 2: do to, oh, that's in her DNA to say something
Speaker 2: like that, like she's not one of the good niggers,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it could be a
Speaker 2: difference there when people look at it compared to if
Speaker 2: it was a white woman, they would have probably took
Speaker 2: the time and be like, but did you have the
Speaker 2: right resources? Did they actually support you the way that
Speaker 2: you needed to be supported. I wonder how people actually
Speaker 2: are looking at it too that way, because even Rachel
Speaker 2: Rachel was like Charlie said something about you know, guns
Speaker 2: of hypo, like basically hyper everywhere here, and Rachel says,
Speaker 2: so it's America's fault, Like I was like, that should
Speaker 2: make me chuck, like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she knows that because she grew
Speaker 4: up here and she lives.
Speaker 3: Here, But as a privileged white woman, she don't see it.
Speaker 3: She don't think that that's the.
Speaker 1: When there's nothing but white people. I mean literally, but.
Speaker 3: I don't agree with I'm just looking at.
Speaker 1: There's no way she can.
Speaker 4: Okay, I see what you got saying in terms of
Speaker 4: but I think the it's almost like she lumping the
Speaker 4: violence and guns into just one bucket and that's it.
Speaker 1: Regardless of Like so with there's black.
Speaker 4: People in the story that they're telling with black people
Speaker 4: and guns in terms of like gang violence and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, and then there's white people in this store
Speaker 4: with their guns when it comes to mostly school shootings
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. And so for her, maybe because
Speaker 4: of the visual imagery that she's constantly seeing for that
Speaker 4: she's maybe to your point, it's associating guns and black
Speaker 4: people and excluding the other aspect of it, even.
Speaker 1: Though the subject of this.
Speaker 4: Whole thing is about what primarily happens with the white side.
Speaker 1: Of gun violence. So if she's just saying it's all
Speaker 1: one of the same.
Speaker 4: And it's just all black people, then yeah, I can
Speaker 4: see that, but she should know that it's mostly white people.
Speaker 5: Anyway, I think it's all And the more I talk
Speaker 5: about it with y'all, I think all of this was
Speaker 5: about racism because the mic situation obviously, like you're correlating
Speaker 5: that in the way she said it was he was
Speaker 5: around guns and he turned out all right. You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, he's blended, but it's the other black
Speaker 5: person who was around guns and they didn't turn all right.
Speaker 5: And even with Charlie's response of talking about the trauma
Speaker 5: she experienced, he started saying it was interesting, like he
Speaker 5: started getting fascinated by the idea that may if it
Speaker 5: was a trauma response, it would be He didn't say fascinate,
Speaker 5: an interest that's interesting, right, but you could tell he
Speaker 5: was kind of fascinated.
Speaker 2: By this idea of like, oh my girl may be
Speaker 2: like one of those black people.
Speaker 3: Interesting and I never thought about it.
Speaker 2: The more I'm talking about it, I could I am
Speaker 2: thinking about because he did say it was interesting. He
Speaker 2: kind of like smiled, and that's just that what is
Speaker 2: interesting about it. And you know what I'm saying, more interested.
Speaker 4: In because he's from England in an Americanized way though,
Speaker 4: and less about their color.
Speaker 3: Could be but I would have.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the more I think about this conversation,
Speaker 5: especially with Mike sitting right there and how everything was
Speaker 5: just being framed and talked about.
Speaker 3: I think this was more of a race conversation. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I didn't think about it that way, but I see
Speaker 3: what you're saying.
Speaker 5: So well from here, Sam c's uh, I mean, Charlie
Speaker 5: c Sam in the street and tries to talk to her,
Speaker 5: which ultimately.
Speaker 1: Doesn't go well. So he returns to work.
Speaker 3: We talked about how.
Speaker 5: She basically said that that he was wild in at
Speaker 5: this point. Yeah, and that's basically what's gonna be. My
Speaker 5: next question is like, how.
Speaker 3: Much is is Charlie fucking up.
Speaker 2: A lot?
Speaker 1: Lot?
Speaker 2: Because when he gets to work, he ends up asking
Speaker 2: Mesha what is the worst thing she's ever done? And hypothetically,
Speaker 2: what would she do if her boyfriend playing the school shooting?
Speaker 2: So this is some of these lines are that funny
Speaker 2: to me. The way she was reacting, like she's like,
Speaker 2: you saw my ex? Did this work for y'all? Yes,
Speaker 2: all of this work.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I love what it led up to in that situation.
Speaker 3: I love because she was kind of he he went
Speaker 3: from This is kind of a turning point for him
Speaker 3: because he went from feeling like she was feeling to
Speaker 3: actually hearing her and he was like, you sound done
Speaker 3: the wait, wait a minute, this sound dumb, And that
Speaker 3: had been his position the whole movie, but it took
Speaker 3: someone else to come at the same position for it
Speaker 3: to be like, Okay, I am, I'm tripping. So I
Speaker 3: liked how they did this, did she.
Speaker 4: At this point? Now I'm getting sick of Charlie. Are
Speaker 4: you probably getting in the middle now baby bounce all
Speaker 4: over bit?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: But yeah, at this point I'm over Charlie. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 4: like you're asking everybody. You just cannot make peace with
Speaker 4: this situation. And now I'm starting to think, and now
Speaker 4: I'm writing a movie in my head. I'm like, well, shit,
Speaker 4: is he gonna shoot up the wedding? Because I still
Speaker 4: don't even know. I still think that's real at this point,
Speaker 4: like is he gonna lose it and start shooting up
Speaker 4: the wedding? So he's just freaking out. Then he started
Speaker 4: crying and me, she's just oblivious to it. What I
Speaker 4: loved about when she said, you've seen my boyfriend and
Speaker 4: then he was like your stereotypical like white male that
Speaker 4: looked like he would do some shit like that, you know, violent.
Speaker 1: He was very violent, but I guess we'll get there.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so I thought that that was interesting as well,
Speaker 4: because he looks like the one that when we eventually
Speaker 4: see him, like one of those gun toting Americans.
Speaker 2: Thanks. Yeah, he yeah, I don't know, man, I didn't know.
Speaker 5: Sitting there thinking about it. Do you think that she
Speaker 5: was more so conveying like the opposite of what Robert
Speaker 5: I was thinking?
Speaker 3: I think did she was conveying the same thing that
Speaker 3: he was thinking, but him hearing it. She bade him
Speaker 3: start to realize how ridiculous he was sounding when she
Speaker 3: saying she would like leave and misaking. Yeah, she was.
Speaker 1: She was.
Speaker 2: She wasn't defending him what I'm saying. Yes, she was
Speaker 2: against it. She was I would call the police, said,
Speaker 2: And he was like, was asking the questions that he
Speaker 2: kind of knew the answers like a good person would say,
Speaker 2: like a person who was understanding was saying, but he
Speaker 2: was allowing her to reinforce the negatives. Yeah, And that
Speaker 2: was the issue I was having when I'm like, you're
Speaker 2: answering the question like you're asking any of these questions
Speaker 2: because to you, deep down, you know that what the
Speaker 2: answer should be, but you don't feel that way. And
Speaker 2: that's why he got mad, because he knew he was
Speaker 2: agreeing with us, yes, because that's what he was feeling,
Speaker 2: like deep down he knew the answers was the opposite.
Speaker 3: See, he was feeling what she was saying. I took
Speaker 3: it as he finally started to understand how fucking dumb
Speaker 3: he sounded about.
Speaker 2: This now because if I think if he did, he
Speaker 2: would and I got upset at the so he felt
Speaker 2: like he was hold up a mirror. Yeah, okay, he
Speaker 2: felt like, fuck, I'm like, I like, I'm giving into
Speaker 2: this ship.
Speaker 1: Some in there, some.
Speaker 3: Recognized what he recognized, like I do sound like because
Speaker 3: he threw his drink out of frustration in the sense
Speaker 3: of I hate that I agree with her, but I
Speaker 3: know it's wrong. So yeah, I think this is a
Speaker 3: great scene.
Speaker 1: You don't know what called the police way what exactly?
Speaker 1: Like stupid?
Speaker 3: My girlfriend almost shot up a school like what yeah,
Speaker 3: years ten plus years ago. So then we transitioned to
Speaker 3: the DJ being fired. But well, you gotta talk about
Speaker 3: the kiss stuff. I'm gonna get that. I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: got you, got you, got you.
Speaker 5: But Charlie is still acting a little uneven then before.
Speaker 5: So through the cut scenes we see he cheated by kissing.
Speaker 2: He didn't actually cheat what he said he didn't. I
Speaker 2: thought you was saying he didn't fit.
Speaker 1: For me, and I was like you almost had me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, cheated. Oh Ship. I was so shocked at this.
Speaker 3: I was not expecting it.
Speaker 2: They they that when he leaned in and kissed her,
Speaker 2: and then like she was receptive of it.
Speaker 3: I really pushed him first the first and then she yeah,
Speaker 3: and then the whole like I was. That was another
Speaker 3: audible oh, Ship, Like I did not see that coming.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, and it's just like you
Speaker 3: was watching this spiral out of control, like it went
Speaker 3: from the wheelchair scene to the scene where he having
Speaker 3: lunch with her. Now he kissing her and bending her over.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, it's man.
Speaker 3: She turned around brop.
Speaker 2: That nigga ripped like you gotta work the rest of
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 3: That was she said, I can't believe you just ripped.
Speaker 3: He wasn't thinking about Ship.
Speaker 2: He was just like, I'm trying to get I gotta
Speaker 2: put these feelings somewhere.
Speaker 1: I ain't just because she liked that skirt up with
Speaker 1: she was over.
Speaker 2: I was like, like, look at me, sh it just
Speaker 2: is like it just reinforced Oh, you're a shitty person
Speaker 2: after like you just told me you just cheated.
Speaker 3: That's the worst thing you've done, is you.
Speaker 2: Cheated on somebody, and the way you're doing it right now,
Speaker 2: like it's not like caught up in the moment trying
Speaker 2: to stop. Like that first kiss was the thing that
Speaker 2: cut you all golf. But after that you was like,
Speaker 2: and you brought up a good point about her being
Speaker 2: a shitty person. That's how a shitty person will respond
Speaker 2: to the school shooting ship from the previous scene.
Speaker 3: So they they tied that in.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah that is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that was funny. I'm glad he didn't do
Speaker 1: it all the way. But yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I think, I think they.
Speaker 4: Can get past the Yeah they could, Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 3: They could have what's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: But that ship, It was funny that nigga, the way
Speaker 2: he even stopped to like, I don't even know what
Speaker 2: I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Did that he better than mostly got it this far,
Speaker 3: especially after she just bent it over got me. It
Speaker 3: was right, I just that was that was the That's
Speaker 3: why it's funny. When he gets asked if he's sexually
Speaker 3: harassed her, he was like, I know she was ready,
Speaker 3: he was ready. I don't know if it was harassment.
Speaker 3: Oh God, did Emma handling the firing of the d J. Well, yes,
Speaker 3: I think she did because he he was being a bitch,
Speaker 3: the bubble husband. She made him, he made he put
Speaker 3: her in that position to have to do that because
Speaker 3: you're not handling it like we said we were going
Speaker 3: to handle it. You letting her walk all over you.
Speaker 3: She feels like she can walk all over you. She
Speaker 3: talking to us any kind of way. If you're not
Speaker 3: gonna do it, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, get out,
Speaker 3: especially this younna call me a what ever she called
Speaker 3: her cunt or whatever it may be. I think you
Speaker 3: said you're being a cunt. Yeah, Like, get out.
Speaker 4: You ain't handling this, yeah, yeah, yeah, Because at this point,
Speaker 4: he's a he's a pump and he's been a punk
Speaker 4: since he I mean since the beginning. He's a very passive,
Speaker 4: you know, uh guy. So and now he's going through
Speaker 4: this emotional spiral of everything so and now and everything
Speaker 4: that just happened.
Speaker 1: So he's done for like at this point it's a
Speaker 1: rap for him. He's just cheating on her.
Speaker 4: And he is now seeing everything with the differen lens.
Speaker 4: So now you know, baby feel guilty for what he did,
Speaker 4: But he wasn't going to fire her at all, so
Speaker 4: and she just did the thing that he wouldn't there,
Speaker 4: they wouldn't do.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think she.
Speaker 2: Again as a DJ, I think it was fucked up
Speaker 2: for him to sit there and watch her set up
Speaker 2: and you tell that's whatever was one of the things
Speaker 2: that did pissed me all And like she said, y'all
Speaker 2: wait till I set up to do this ship.
Speaker 3: Like for me, most of the deposit paid.
Speaker 5: All right, at least I know, I'm I'm gonna make
Speaker 5: that money for you booking this day. But you made
Speaker 5: me come here set this ship up, and theyin't gonna
Speaker 5: tell me that. That's what I was confused by too.
Speaker 5: I thought, I was like, why do you wait till
Speaker 5: the day of the wedding?
Speaker 4: Like that was stupid because they were distracted by everything
Speaker 4: else that was going on. They never really got back
Speaker 4: to the heroine issue and.
Speaker 3: You might as well just leave it at that point.
Speaker 3: I also feel like it wasn't done attack.
Speaker 5: And I think I think, I think that's piece of it,
Speaker 5: and I think that's probably a little bit of em
Speaker 5: reacting to how she was being treated to.
Speaker 3: There was a way to do that better.
Speaker 2: To me, Like as a person who's going through people
Speaker 2: judging you from something that you're doing.
Speaker 3: That you did that is not as bad as people
Speaker 3: are making it be.
Speaker 2: We I ain't gonna do Heroin, and I don't really
Speaker 2: think anybody else should. But I don't think if you
Speaker 2: if you enjoying Heroin for yourself, that's your that's your life.
Speaker 2: So again, if there's a conversation that can be had
Speaker 2: in this moment as compared to just you did hairing,
Speaker 2: get the fuck.
Speaker 1: Out and are you good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed like she was a good DJ. Though
Speaker 3: I think it seems like she's a good DJ, all right.
Speaker 5: So we get to the wedding day and then we
Speaker 5: learned that Rachel does decide to be the maid of
Speaker 5: honor and Misha is also in attendance.
Speaker 2: We also know that they get a DJ. I didn't
Speaker 2: really get much from this scene. I don't think the
Speaker 2: scene was just to set up for what was gonna
Speaker 2: come later.
Speaker 5: But they were talking to the DJ in the hallway
Speaker 5: and pop sound before that when they were talking to
Speaker 5: him any first, and he was like, he basically said
Speaker 5: fuck about the duch weird though I was trying to figure.
Speaker 1: It out for just to comedy because he was weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't really pick up what it was putting
Speaker 3: none there, So that's why I was gonna ask you.
Speaker 3: I didn't get it.
Speaker 5: But my father's give my father's gives a toast. Rachel
Speaker 5: also gives a toast.
Speaker 2: Will Both Emma and Charlie are still dealing with the
Speaker 2: paranoid of just the room.
Speaker 3: What did you think of the.
Speaker 2: Of the toast from from both of them, from both
Speaker 2: the dad and from Rachel.
Speaker 4: The dad was it was interesting because we know the truth.
Speaker 4: So listen to the dad speak about the daughter. Seeing
Speaker 4: Rachel's reaction, Oh my god, it was just really really
Speaker 4: really bothering the fuck out of me. I just I
Speaker 4: just really needed some other female there that just slapped
Speaker 4: the ship out of her.
Speaker 2: It's to tell her like he did check the lead.
Speaker 4: He did get to the point was like, god damn,
Speaker 4: he did check it well in a way he was
Speaker 4: basically he did call her out.
Speaker 1: He was like shut up or chill out.
Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly like he said it, but he
Speaker 4: signed a black when he did that ship.
Speaker 1: But he was over her ship. I think she actually
Speaker 1: got quiet for a little bit.
Speaker 4: But but he was giving this beautiful speech, and it
Speaker 4: was like, and you even became an avagant and then
Speaker 4: my gun and seriously disappeared. I'm like, shit, you just
Speaker 4: have no idea the things we don't we.
Speaker 1: We I don't know about our kids. It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 4: But when that motherfucking ship popped, when I tell y'all,
Speaker 4: I laughed out loud my whole theater dump because remember
Speaker 4: I'm still thinking somebody gonna come through and shoot that
Speaker 4: motherfucker up.
Speaker 1: When that ship popped, everybody got shuk. He was like, man,
Speaker 1: I can't even think. I don't know how.
Speaker 2: It's just a black man ship around, got.
Speaker 1: He he asked, And I think that's what the DJ
Speaker 1: was there the show. He was awkward and goofy. So
Speaker 1: when it popped, you have contests for his personality, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, sorry. So it made sense for why that
Speaker 1: ship would happen, man bro Bro that ship was funny
Speaker 1: to me. Fact and he was.
Speaker 4: A military guy too. Yeah, so there's that part to it. So, uh,
Speaker 4: which is another layer to the to the movie.
Speaker 3: And then when he sit down he asked me, said so,
Speaker 3: what did he asking me? He said, so, y'all grew
Speaker 3: up with guns in the house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why did you have guns in the house and
Speaker 1: something like that was really weird.
Speaker 3: She looked at him like, nigga, if you don't shut up.
Speaker 3: I thought that was good.
Speaker 5: I mean, at this point, his paranoia is getting the
Speaker 5: best of him and her, and she's in the bathroom
Speaker 5: and she thinks that Misha knows about school shooting.
Speaker 3: I would have did that happen because somebody said something,
Speaker 3: But I don't know if she was imagining.
Speaker 5: But it could have been her just saying talking to
Speaker 5: somebody about Yeah, he came and talked to her.
Speaker 3: He asked me some weird question about some school shoes.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So that forces Emma to
Speaker 3: tell Charlie I need to go talk to me. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna bring her. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: What what would you No?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not, Absolutely we don't got to talk to her.
Speaker 3: I'm sure she don't know. I'm sure you do not know.
Speaker 3: She don't know.
Speaker 1: Ship you gotta check this.
Speaker 4: You gotta stop, don't take your don't go get her
Speaker 4: in from that now.
Speaker 3: No, we ain't nothing y'all need to talk about. Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: I'll ask her, as a matter of fact, I'll ask
Speaker 3: her to see let me fix this, baby, I got this.
Speaker 3: You don't even got to worry you look about it.
Speaker 1: Let me take it.
Speaker 4: But you know you don't wear the so called pants
Speaker 4: and in the relationship, so at this point, and you know,
Speaker 4: once a black woman made up a mind.
Speaker 2: Bro rap, so you at least got to go with
Speaker 2: her and be like you gotta give the signal and
Speaker 2: be like.
Speaker 3: You see the way he had looked what she came
Speaker 3: in and he was trying to.
Speaker 2: Like, you gotta gotta know she don't know, like she
Speaker 2: just came out with it.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it was another when I say
Speaker 3: I was the loudest, I.
Speaker 2: Said, oh, you know, as soon as she saw him
Speaker 2: in there, She's like, he just came on to me.
Speaker 3: He kissed, he kissed me. I was like, oh.
Speaker 4: Damn, I felt so bad. Form it was like what, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel bad for her. Yeah, because she didn't deserve that.
Speaker 1: She did not man.
Speaker 3: And it was like it wasn't even what I was like,
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 2: It ain't just the thing that I was coming to
Speaker 2: get you for now, it's this whole other thing that
Speaker 2: may be even worse than the thing that I came
Speaker 2: to get you. The thing that made it on top
Speaker 2: of that worst she was confiding in this whole about
Speaker 2: me and about like you was talking.
Speaker 1: To her about asked you that, yes, I just asked, what.
Speaker 3: Do you think happened in that room when they were like?
Speaker 2: What do you think happened in that room? When Misha
Speaker 2: left and we didn't see them but leave that room?
Speaker 3: I can't that's the you can tell.
Speaker 2: But how she was tense when they was came, she
Speaker 2: would that was her Daddy was looking at.
Speaker 3: Her like you think he knew something was up.
Speaker 2: I wanted to see what was going on with I
Speaker 2: did because a black woman.
Speaker 3: Finding out all that one time. She had a little
Speaker 3: sweat on her forehead and there like, well you lucky
Speaker 3: you made it out at all.
Speaker 1: And Rachel speak speech was a piece of ship too.
Speaker 3: Yeah I have something to say and yeah, And that's
Speaker 3: another way where her husband got to like, no, it's cool, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't got to say ship man.
Speaker 4: But at this point you're not trying to ruin the wedding.
Speaker 4: You're just praying that she doesn't go there. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I thought she was and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: she's gonna actually do it. But yeah, he yeah, he
Speaker 4: was frustrating me At this point, I'm like, bro, if
Speaker 4: you don't get her in control.
Speaker 2: And control.
Speaker 1: Well Charlie your little comments.
Speaker 5: When Charlie is tasked to finally give his toast, he
Speaker 5: he is just all over the place because he doesne
Speaker 5: got caught cheating at this point. He don't know what
Speaker 5: people know in the room. He don't know what's going on.
Speaker 5: What yall think about this toast man? How did y'all
Speaker 5: feel about Charlie? Like were you feeling for him? Did
Speaker 5: you not give a fuck? I feel deserve it.
Speaker 3: I felt for him, and like he should have did
Speaker 3: the same thing Emma.
Speaker 2: Did well, kept it really brief.
Speaker 3: He should have been like, you know, we don't want
Speaker 3: to do speeches or something like that, or I had
Speaker 3: something but I'm just overwhelmed and keep it moving. But
Speaker 3: he tried to save it with the speech that he
Speaker 3: had deleted, so I'm sure he hadn't been practicing. And
Speaker 3: then he wanted to just freestyle in that move like nah, bro,
Speaker 3: like there was a cringe worthy that was secondhand embarrassing moment.
Speaker 2: He was like, oh no, bro ya, what about you?
Speaker 1: Ken? Yeah, second hand embarrassment is exactly it.
Speaker 4: I'm like because I'm like, there's no way he's gonna
Speaker 4: just start, because I'm trying to think about, like, how
Speaker 4: is he gonna get to sing all the shit?
Speaker 1: And he just starts Ireland.
Speaker 4: But I think they did a good job of kind
Speaker 4: of showing this has been his character.
Speaker 1: The whole movie.
Speaker 4: So he is uncomfortable and he just starts saying shit.
Speaker 4: You know, he's awkward. So when he just got up
Speaker 4: there and just started. And I also like when they
Speaker 4: showed him taking the shot of the alcohol, you know,
Speaker 4: so he doubled down on the liquor he probably had
Speaker 4: already been drinking. It goes back to what Mike was
Speaker 4: saying about Emma earlier at the table when she was
Speaker 4: drinking and she just started saying some shit that she
Speaker 4: probably wasn't wouldn't have said if she was in her
Speaker 4: right mind.
Speaker 1: He did the same thing, and he said he didn't
Speaker 1: say that she did the school shooting.
Speaker 4: I think he just said she didn't do it, so
Speaker 4: it's fine, but nobody still know what she was talking about.
Speaker 4: It was when he started talking about Misha this thing.
Speaker 2: I loved hearing him in the background, like you can
Speaker 2: hear buddy, like what he did brot was as a
Speaker 2: nigga you know what he's thinking back then, and you
Speaker 2: had the nerve to say, y'all shut the fuck up
Speaker 2: on shut the hell up, bro, bro, are you that corner?
Speaker 3: Yeah you got me.
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 2: I got a step to you now because you think.
Speaker 4: I'm a full hold like NA, but he really because
Speaker 4: again he's very awkward.
Speaker 1: He's just spiraling. I don't even think he know. He
Speaker 1: just heard noise and he just lashed out like y'all
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up back there.
Speaker 3: He got the right one today.
Speaker 2: Even with him inspiring smiling, he knew who was back
Speaker 2: there making it like, you know, I just blew, I
Speaker 2: just blew.
Speaker 4: He just met the moo because he freaked out when
Speaker 4: he walked up to him the first time, and just
Speaker 4: to introduce himself. That was a big motherfucker is pretty tall,
Speaker 4: you know so, and that motherfucker was taller than him.
Speaker 3: He gave the little boy back pay all right, man, congratulations.
Speaker 4: That motherfucker walked up and he looked like one of
Speaker 4: the He look like a military motherfucker, bro or some
Speaker 4: type of athlete or something.
Speaker 3: He said what he said, did you sexual? Did you sexually?
Speaker 1: A rass which means Misha told some boys right. She lied,
Speaker 1: She completely lied. I got that ship off.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, well, I won't say lie. She
Speaker 2: probably puts him sauts on it. I don't even know,
Speaker 2: because she was trying to get out of it.
Speaker 3: He kissed me. You heard her, you can hear it.
Speaker 4: He did the first encounter that when he kissed her. Yes,
Speaker 4: that is, but once she consented.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing about consent. They're going to
Speaker 2: say it's a power dynamic because he was her boss.
Speaker 2: He wasn't her boss.
Speaker 3: I think so. I thought he was he when he
Speaker 3: went into her office, maybe because his title on the
Speaker 3: thing said.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like and if that's the case, then I'm looking at
Speaker 3: that scene different too, the way she been there. I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, you're my boss. I gotta do this.
Speaker 3: I thought that's why they showed this title, because they showed.
Speaker 5: Him in office. I'm looking at that scene different now.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, like she felt that I have to
Speaker 5: do Yeah. So now she did get sexual harassed.
Speaker 1: Like no that that that scene didn't play out in
Speaker 1: that way. But she she was, she was she went
Speaker 1: for We all saw that.
Speaker 3: But kin, that's how the story is gonna be told.
Speaker 3: That's how the story. But that's not that is the story.
Speaker 3: You're right, Yeah, that's not even start being told.
Speaker 2: The thing is she if it's power because of the
Speaker 2: power that sexual I think about it. If her boss
Speaker 2: kisses her and she doesn't want it, in the back
Speaker 2: of her head, I don't do this, He's gonna find us.
Speaker 2: So now I have to get into this whole situation
Speaker 2: in order for me to keep my job.
Speaker 3: That's to me. That played into to me. That played
Speaker 3: into the willingness of it when she first she had
Speaker 3: to process it, and once she processed, she was like,
Speaker 3: that's I thought she was the boss.
Speaker 1: That's what the boss.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if that's the case, then yeah, and the
Speaker 2: way she because she probably thinking I told him I cheated.
Speaker 2: Now you thinking again take advantage? Like all that matters
Speaker 2: if that's the now. So now it's it's just adding
Speaker 2: more to it for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, I don't disagree with what you're saying
Speaker 4: in other contexts in this movie. What what I saw,
Speaker 4: what y'all saw was none of that ship and the
Speaker 4: story will be told the way y'all said it, But
Speaker 4: y'all know good and damn will that she wanted that
Speaker 4: ship and she went for.
Speaker 3: Twitter right now.
Speaker 2: Six.
Speaker 3: You can't do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, even the way it's just even I'm thinking about
Speaker 5: the way she did it too. It was like assume
Speaker 5: the position type ship like it wasn't on something like
Speaker 5: this is the spur of the moment attracted to him.
Speaker 3: She wasn't in that way. Yeah, she just did it
Speaker 3: because she felt like this what's required right now. No,
Speaker 3: she wasn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what you is that what you're saying you
Speaker 1: think happened, yes, or you just saying that's how people
Speaker 1: are gonna look at it.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that's how she's telling the story. We watched
Speaker 3: it happen.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's.
Speaker 2: Knowing that that's her boss.
Speaker 3: I kind of took it that way as well, Like
Speaker 3: she's looking at this from I thought she was looking
Speaker 3: at it from a power dynamic standpoint when.
Speaker 1: It first happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, she wasn't turned on or nothing gave like
Speaker 3: she was just.
Speaker 1: Recoupable any sort of I have to do.
Speaker 2: Never mind, I want to take it the boss though,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you his title was something like superintendent, like
Speaker 2: he was the head head curator of the museum.
Speaker 3: That's what his title was head curatoric, I don't say
Speaker 3: that she's the boss, says a coworker. Either way, that's
Speaker 3: the head curator. Like I'm thinking that she asking to
Speaker 3: him because he went to about that book. It was like,
Speaker 3: how does this book get on my desk? She's like
Speaker 3: the mail. So I'm thinking that she answers to him.
Speaker 3: Could be.
Speaker 5: So we we go to we get we transition to
Speaker 5: uh Charlie back at his apartment.
Speaker 3: With blood on his tucks, and we.
Speaker 2: Don't really see completely how the blood got there. We
Speaker 2: just know that Blake approached him, so we just didn't
Speaker 2: got the beats. But while he's looking for him, get
Speaker 2: a transition back to the scene where Blake approaches him
Speaker 2: and this nigga head.
Speaker 4: But this nigga, he looked like a crazy white boy
Speaker 4: the first time we were in the first time we saw.
Speaker 3: Him, I said the same. I said that that tip,
Speaker 3: that that looked like a typical move for him. Like
Speaker 3: I'm started with the hands, but like I'm leading with
Speaker 3: crazy motherfucker's leading with the head.
Speaker 2: But geez, I can't but the nigga I pressed my hand,
Speaker 2: could I do wonder?
Speaker 3: Nigas head? But I'm like why should go there feeling too.
Speaker 2: I'd rather my hand be hurt your head head.
Speaker 1: But it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't do that ship like I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 3: I ain't never bumped my head and it felt I couldn't.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I always I've hit my head
Speaker 2: a bunch of times and it has not felt good
Speaker 2: to that, Like I always hurt.
Speaker 3: Like I never understood that.
Speaker 1: If you apply the force and stuff is different. No, man,
Speaker 1: I have to study.
Speaker 5: That's why UFC when they be doing that and yeah,
Speaker 5: like yeah, y'all better than y'all, y'all love it different differently.
Speaker 3: He looked like a UFC dude, That's what he looked like,
Speaker 3: some big tall UFC fight. What did y'all think of
Speaker 3: Robert Pattinson's performance here?
Speaker 2: Like being alone and playing the music and that was good,
Speaker 2: hugging itself and ship like that, like even looking in
Speaker 2: the mirror of facial acting. It's just like, man, all
Speaker 2: of this for this.
Speaker 3: Like I fucked everything up, bro, I fucked everything up
Speaker 3: just being in my head like you could see it
Speaker 3: all over his face. That was that was dope.
Speaker 5: I really with this because that in this moment even
Speaker 5: playing the music, and he like slowed out the dance.
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm trying to find some sense of happiness,
Speaker 5: trying to find some joy here because I'm fun.
Speaker 2: This is all fucked up, because I'm fucked up on
Speaker 2: what's supposed to be the best day of my best
Speaker 2: day of my life, and I'm just fucked up and
Speaker 2: stupid ass.
Speaker 1: Can let some ship go? Now? Look at your dumb ass.
Speaker 3: It seems said so much without saying ship.
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, that she whenever he's being a dick
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, I thought this scene was a real dope scene
Speaker 2: to put right before the ending.
Speaker 3: At this point, I guess the ending though, Okay, so
Speaker 3: this was like when they was doing this, or like
Speaker 3: he going to the diner and she gonna come to
Speaker 3: the dinner. I didn't get all the way with what
Speaker 3: they do, what they was gonna do when she sit down,
Speaker 3: but I was like, they're gonna meet at the diner,
Speaker 3: which I wasn't mad at. I feel like it was appropriate.
Speaker 4: I didn't, but I was wondering how they're going to
Speaker 4: end it. But I thought the ending worked because they
Speaker 4: both now have fucked up one way or the other.
Speaker 4: So even though I don't, I think this fuck up
Speaker 4: is way worse. But I think they look now as
Speaker 4: view equally. I think now she's saying that there's something
Speaker 4: that you can't get over with me, and now there's
Speaker 4: something that I can't get over with you. So when
Speaker 4: they tried this role playing thing before, when they wanted
Speaker 4: to start over, that's how she wanted to start over,
Speaker 4: to get him comfortable by needing a completely different person,
Speaker 4: and she wanted to go ahead and do the same
Speaker 4: thing with him.
Speaker 1: And this is how she's gonna cope.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's how that's gonna work. Really,
Speaker 3: I looked at it.
Speaker 1: You don't think it's gonna work, or I.
Speaker 3: Mean, he fucked up. It's like he fucked up everything,
Speaker 3: even the thing that he can't get over. You should
Speaker 3: be able to get over what the fuck? So he hasn't, though,
Speaker 3: But that's his problem. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's his problem. But it's a problem
Speaker 1: for both of them.
Speaker 2: Though it's a problem for her. But if she stays
Speaker 2: with him, and she is, but they we don't know that.
Speaker 3: I don't know that. I think that's the point.
Speaker 4: But I think up to the wedding, though they both
Speaker 4: have at some point agreed to move forward, her and him,
Speaker 4: so so she agreed to stay with him and he
Speaker 4: agreed to stay with her.
Speaker 1: It's just that he.
Speaker 4: Went in and fucked it up by having by not
Speaker 4: letting it go and having that sexual assault with old
Speaker 4: girl as.
Speaker 1: They call it.
Speaker 5: But my issue is that Emma never did anything to
Speaker 5: question her loyalty to him. I agree, like she never
Speaker 5: There was never anything that she did that should have
Speaker 5: made him feel like the relationship doesn't work.
Speaker 3: So I agree. I think she actually doubled down like
Speaker 3: this is how much I fuck with you? You fucked you,
Speaker 3: like I feel like her even coming to that the
Speaker 3: Dieter sitting down in doing a role place like I
Speaker 3: told your dumb ass like you know how women, I
Speaker 3: told your stupid AsSalt eve it alone. Now look at you,
Speaker 3: you sit in the diner on your weddnight with the
Speaker 3: beats on your face, and I had to come, not
Speaker 3: save you, but I had to come start this over
Speaker 3: because you couldn't leave some dump shit alone. And I
Speaker 3: think that spoke to the like how much she actually
Speaker 3: loved him, because she was saying, like I really fuck
Speaker 3: with I've never loved nobody like this before. And even
Speaker 3: though she was mad, and she was mad that he
Speaker 3: couldn't get over and she probably was mad, and he's
Speaker 3: gonna have a conversation about that kiss. So that's another
Speaker 3: conversation is going to be had about that. But even
Speaker 3: her going to the diner was her saying, I'm here
Speaker 3: for this. This is this is love to me, and
Speaker 3: you're my person, and I'm going to forgive you and
Speaker 3: let's do the thing that I tried to get you
Speaker 3: to do in the hotel and start over and excuse
Speaker 3: me in the apartment and start over and leave this
Speaker 3: shit behind us. And she came, it's like, I'm still
Speaker 3: willing to do that, even though you fucked everything up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I thought. It was. The sales are
Speaker 1: not equal.
Speaker 3: Why she didn't have no sense to know.
Speaker 1: What I'm just saying. So, but they're they're they're not equal.
Speaker 4: He has done more harm because he has violated their trust.
Speaker 1: Before he she didn't do that.
Speaker 4: Her sin or negative thought or whatever we want to
Speaker 4: call it, was when she was a kid, you know,
Speaker 4: a teenager, she thought about doing well, she almost went
Speaker 4: through with doing something because she did take the rifle
Speaker 4: to the school.
Speaker 1: She just didn't do it.
Speaker 3: But I don't even think that's a sin. I think
Speaker 3: that even speaks a testament to her, the woman that
Speaker 3: saved the relationship, because even that I was open enough
Speaker 3: to tell you that, that's I really don't want to
Speaker 3: tell nobody.
Speaker 4: She wasn't open to tell that, but she told him
Speaker 4: because of the stupid ass game. And yeah, and you know,
Speaker 4: if we go with what Michae was saying, she was drunk.
Speaker 1: She never was gonna tell him that at all. If
Speaker 1: that game never come up, she never would have.
Speaker 3: That's not I mean, I don't think I would hold
Speaker 3: that again to her.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't have. I thought it was stupid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I mean, I think it's also a big
Speaker 5: assumption that they're gonna be together.
Speaker 2: I assumed that they were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't think if that's what I was from the scene,
Speaker 5: I think I think it leaves us it's just ambiguous.
Speaker 5: And I'm fine with that as far as like what's
Speaker 5: gonna be next, Like maybe from because the conversation feels
Speaker 5: like this is the conversation that needs to be had
Speaker 5: and we don't know what comes because if she really
Speaker 5: breaks it down.
Speaker 3: You cheated on.
Speaker 5: Me, Yeah, y'all, y'all are saying that's probably the biggest thing,
Speaker 5: But it's not that. It's the fact that you didn't
Speaker 5: trust me and you were second guessing me as a person,
Speaker 5: and through that you showed up as a totally different person.
Speaker 3: Fair point, Like you, all this spirals.
Speaker 5: From you being fixated on something and you became a
Speaker 5: totally different person. In my eyes, you ended up like
Speaker 5: if you really gets you don't know, but you were
Speaker 5: lying about my past to other people. You were talking
Speaker 5: about me to somebody else, then you want to kiss
Speaker 5: that person, then you lie to my face about it.
Speaker 5: So this person that I thought like you basically became
Speaker 5: what you thought I was. You thought I was a
Speaker 5: totally different person because of one thing, but you showed
Speaker 5: up because of this one thing, a totally different person to.
Speaker 3: Your point about it being and like, I love how
Speaker 3: ambiguous it was. I didn't need a happy inded I
Speaker 3: didn't need after this seeing them to go and have kids,
Speaker 3: and like I didn't need it. This was perfect on
Speaker 3: how they ended it, Like cause you said, we know
Speaker 3: black women, there's definitely gonna be another conversation about their kids,
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen, and even with them like starting over,
Speaker 3: like they just meant who was to say that? Like
Speaker 3: you said that it will go that far, like they
Speaker 3: may realize stuff or have realized stuff about each other
Speaker 3: where it's like, I ain't fucking with you like that.
Speaker 3: I thought I was, but now that we've restarted, let's
Speaker 3: not so. I love how they edit it.
Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked and two I do think
Speaker 1: and uh, the way I see it, I do see
Speaker 1: them still being together. I think it took a lot
Speaker 1: for her to sit down at that table. You can
Speaker 1: see it. She was struggling.
Speaker 3: She did a great job at.
Speaker 1: To get through that.
Speaker 4: Knowing that he did that the day before or a
Speaker 4: couple of days before that that broke her. In addition
Speaker 4: to everything else you just laid out, that's enough for
Speaker 4: her to walk away from the table. I think there's
Speaker 4: a lot of work that has to be done in
Speaker 4: terms of what one thing she knows is that I
Speaker 4: think she can really know that he absolutely loves and
Speaker 4: adores her. And I think what she'll have to try
Speaker 4: to make piece. Yeah, And I think what she'll have
Speaker 4: to make.
Speaker 1: Pieces is what he did was an emotional reaction to
Speaker 1: a thing that he couldn't understand and he wasn't able
Speaker 1: to process.
Speaker 5: And I think, but I don't think he nah. I
Speaker 5: think I guess I look at it a little bit different.
Speaker 5: I don't think he loves and adore her because.
Speaker 2: He if he truly loved and endure her when he
Speaker 2: was having that conversation with Misha and he he realized
Speaker 2: how fucked up it was.
Speaker 3: That would have been enough like that.
Speaker 5: That's that should have like it should have a like
Speaker 5: way before that should have been fixed.
Speaker 3: But that should have been like for you right there
Speaker 3: that moment, to be like, you know what.
Speaker 5: Everything I'm asking me should And even though I'm asking
Speaker 5: these questions and I'm not getting ask I know the
Speaker 5: answer deep down.
Speaker 1: But he still was willing to go through with the wedding.
Speaker 4: I think if he he was, he was he was
Speaker 4: he was finding ways to move forward in spite of
Speaker 4: like him questioning or having concerns about a character.
Speaker 2: I think that's just he's not confrontational. For one, We've
Speaker 2: learned that fact.
Speaker 5: So calling off the wedding is a totally that's a
Speaker 5: big ass thing to do right before days of.
Speaker 3: So for him that's not that big of a for
Speaker 3: his character.
Speaker 2: That's not something for him to do, like he doesn't
Speaker 2: know how to He wouldn't know how to do that
Speaker 2: in the first place, so he would have probably just
Speaker 2: continued to go along to get along, like that's not
Speaker 2: something and we've learned in his character he does doesn't
Speaker 2: have that in him.
Speaker 3: So just because he was going along with the wedding.
Speaker 5: That didn't prove to me that he was in love
Speaker 5: with her, and then he really seen some value in it,
Speaker 5: like you spend all his money as days ahead, like
Speaker 5: at this point we locked in.
Speaker 4: I feel like the way I was reading is that
Speaker 4: he didn't want to leave her over this, and he
Speaker 4: was gonna find a way to get past it. I
Speaker 4: think what really messed him up was the kiss, and
Speaker 4: I think that that's where he was really freaking out,
Speaker 4: especially when he started seeing him, because he knew at
Speaker 4: that point he really.
Speaker 1: Did fuck up.
Speaker 4: But I think there's a lot of things that will
Speaker 4: have to be resolved, like because he still got to
Speaker 4: deal with the dad that shit still because that's what
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about, Oh, you got to deal with the
Speaker 4: dad or everybody else.
Speaker 1: El was at the wedding like.
Speaker 4: So maybe all right, maybe the fallout from all of this,
Speaker 4: maybe the external factors maybe too much for them to
Speaker 4: get past. But I think if they isolate themselves and
Speaker 4: just focus on each other, I think they'll be able
Speaker 4: to move forward. They want to be together, yes, then
Speaker 4: agree with it, and you know, it's up to them
Speaker 4: to find out and realize how strong the love that
Speaker 4: they have is for one another. Isn't enough to put
Speaker 4: these things aside and move forward with you know, a
Speaker 4: future together?
Speaker 1: What on you' all?
Speaker 2: Mike here, I had to leave the review because of
Speaker 2: a family emergency, but because I enjoyed the movie so
Speaker 2: much and I was actually enjoying the conversation that we
Speaker 2: were having about it, I wanted to go ahead and
Speaker 2: give my thoughts on the rest of the film.
Speaker 6: So yeah, here we go.
Speaker 2: I went ahead and I took the questions that Jalen
Speaker 2: asked the crew and just kind of answered them on
Speaker 2: my own. So I went from the point of I
Speaker 2: had to leave to the end. And yeah, so Jyalen
Speaker 2: was asking what did you think about Emma's responses to
Speaker 2: Charlie's questioning. I actually agree with the guys that Charlie
Speaker 2: was being a bit too judgmental, and it kind of
Speaker 2: goes to what I was saying earlier about the fact
Speaker 2: that no one really asked Emma if she was okay.
Speaker 2: They just started to immediately think about themselves and how
Speaker 2: they feel and if they're in danger. Like no one
Speaker 2: there showed up for Emma in that moment. They only
Speaker 2: wanted to feel better about their own situations. That's how
Speaker 2: I saw it, Like no one even recognized the fact
Speaker 2: that Emma has to go the rest of her life
Speaker 2: with a deaf ear, you know, an injury that reminds
Speaker 2: her daily of a terrible decision that she almost made.
Speaker 6: Like Charlie, Rachel, and Mike.
Speaker 2: They're all able to address their past harms or whatever,
Speaker 2: but they can completely move on from them and you know,
Speaker 2: act like they never happened, even if the people that
Speaker 2: they harmed can't do that. And out of the four
Speaker 2: of them, only Emma is actually physically harmed by the
Speaker 2: actions she took and is regularly reminded of that thing
Speaker 2: that she did. So for the next part, they're kind
Speaker 2: of talking about the scene with thetographer, and they're also
Speaker 2: talking about that scene where they're kind of flashing to
Speaker 2: Charlie looking like he's dating the younger version of Emma.
Speaker 2: I agree that this scene was done really well, especially
Speaker 2: the picture part, because the picture it follows that scene
Speaker 2: where the photographer is she kept saying like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: shoot you, and I'm gonna shoot your parents, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to shoot your grandparents, and of course it's a
Speaker 2: play on words, but it was so well done because
Speaker 2: it shows just how much that's weighing on Charlie, and
Speaker 2: that carries over into the pictures, like he looks incredibly
Speaker 2: uncomfortable the whole time because he no longer thinks he's
Speaker 2: he knows the person that he's marrying, right, So when
Speaker 2: it shows us Charlie walking with the teenage version of Emma,
Speaker 2: I thought that was a really good touch because it
Speaker 2: showed that Charlie thought he was dating or engaged to
Speaker 2: a completely different person. He's now marrying the old Emma,
Speaker 2: and in his she hasn't moved on from that. You know,
Speaker 2: she's still that person to Charlie and he can't separate
Speaker 2: the two. So about the scene where Charlie is kind
Speaker 2: of asking her if she did anything to get better,
Speaker 2: I think that that scene was really interesting because it
Speaker 2: showed us that Emma wasn't just some quote unquote crazy
Speaker 2: kid who wanted to shoot students, right. She changed after
Speaker 2: she saw the impact of what she was thinking about doing.
Speaker 2: You know, she sees the other school shooting and the
Speaker 2: kids that were impacted by that. So I think what
Speaker 2: this whole scene shows us is Emma just had a
Speaker 2: moment of anger and bad judgment, but she understood that
Speaker 2: she never really wanted to actually hurt anyone.
Speaker 6: It also shows us it also kind.
Speaker 2: Of serves as a reminder to us to not always
Speaker 2: judge people just because they've done terrible things or had
Speaker 2: terrible thoughts in the past. You know that people can
Speaker 2: make changes, and if they make tangible changes to their
Speaker 2: behavior and they make an effort to help other people
Speaker 2: that are maybe going through that, then I think that
Speaker 2: should count towards how they're viewed. Right, And this side thing,
Speaker 2: it kind of goes to show what I'm always talking
Speaker 2: about with like fuckers like Andrew Schultz. You're like, just
Speaker 2: giving an apology isn't enough to rectify his mistake. You know,
Speaker 2: you have to make tangible moves, tangible changes.
Speaker 6: To the part where Charlie is kind.
Speaker 2: Of asking Emma questions about her childhood and kind of probing,
Speaker 2: you know, because there's that part where he has he
Speaker 2: just deletes his entire wedding speech. But I think for
Speaker 2: this part I actually agree with Spike. Charlie was trying
Speaker 2: to find out what work she had done to get better.
Speaker 2: That's why he's asking about therapy. It's not really about,
Speaker 2: you know, did it help her. It's more so he
Speaker 2: was self trying to find out what the therapist may
Speaker 2: have said the issue.
Speaker 6: With Emma might be, and he's just trying to make.
Speaker 2: Himself feel better by saying, well, she went to therapy,
Speaker 2: so this is in the past and she's better now.
Speaker 2: Now to the part where it shows, uh, Charlie and
Speaker 2: Emma trying to have sex and Charlie can't really get
Speaker 2: it up or whatever. For this part, I actually disagree
Speaker 2: with Ken. I think this whole thing does make complete sense.
Speaker 2: Even if he was accepting of what she'd done, it
Speaker 2: makes sense to me that this would affect his ability
Speaker 2: to perform sexually.
Speaker 6: And I think the fact that it was affecting him sexually.
Speaker 2: Shows that he does actually have care for Emma deep down.
Speaker 2: If this was just a piece of ass situation to Charlie.
Speaker 2: I think he could have just used her as a
Speaker 2: fuck doll, did his thing, and then just moved on.
Speaker 2: But him hyper focusing on what she had done tells
Speaker 2: me that he he sees sex with her as more
Speaker 2: than just sex. It's actually an act. Right, not saying
Speaker 2: he's right for hyper focusing. I'm just saying that I
Speaker 2: get it in that moment, and I'm also with Spike.
Speaker 2: He definitely did not move past it until the end
Speaker 2: of the actual movie and when they're discussing the part
Speaker 2: where Rachel says that Mike grew up around guns. This
Speaker 2: just outlines that someone can still be racist even if
Speaker 2: they're in an interracial relationship like them being in genuine love,
Speaker 2: like they could be infatuated just head over heels in
Speaker 2: love with their partner. But that doesn't remove racial parameters
Speaker 2: or biases from the situation, right. But what it really
Speaker 2: told me here is that she was going to use
Speaker 2: her partner's race to back up her prejudices about Emma,
Speaker 2: and that is peak fuckery to me. To the part
Speaker 2: where they're discussing was Charlie wrong for the way he
Speaker 2: defended Emma, No, I actually don't think Charlie did a
Speaker 2: good job. I don't think he did quote all he
Speaker 2: could do more about Charlie to me than it did Emma.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. He was partly defending Emma
Speaker 2: to himself, like trying to convince himself of the same
Speaker 2: shit that he was saying to Rachel and Mike. I
Speaker 2: do disagree with y'all about how Mike needs to get
Speaker 2: his woman quote under control. I mean, I'm sure it
Speaker 2: was partly joke, but look, man, she's her own person.
Speaker 2: Rachel is her own person, so men getting their women
Speaker 2: under control to me is just some cave man bullshit.
Speaker 2: I do agree that he should have pulled he being Charlie,
Speaker 2: he should have pulled Mike aside and said, look, man like,
Speaker 2: can you have a conversation with her and maybe explain
Speaker 2: my side because if she can't move past this, then
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to remove her from the wedding.
Speaker 2: And since you're my homeboy, I don't want this to
Speaker 2: affect you or affect how you see me and our friendship.
Speaker 6: And boom that's done.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's some antics for quote getting your woman under control.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but I.
Speaker 2: Also agree with Ken here that I don't think the
Speaker 2: way that Rachel was attacking Emma in terms of the
Speaker 2: school shooting was based in race at all, at least
Speaker 2: I didn't see it that way. And the retort from
Speaker 2: Emma to the teacher about school shootings only being men
Speaker 2: was more to show that Emma had done her research
Speaker 2: on this because she knew that there were a few
Speaker 2: women who had done it too. I didn't take it
Speaker 2: as hey, there are black people that do it, or
Speaker 2: there are black women. I didn't read it that way.
Speaker 2: This may have been a way for Emma to kind
Speaker 2: of justify her involvement in what she was doing, but
Speaker 2: it also may be a way to kind of level
Speaker 2: the playing field and say, like, hey, women are going
Speaker 2: through shit too, that may make them go do fucked
Speaker 2: up things. But I think all if I'm looking at
Speaker 2: it as a whole, I think it was more to
Speaker 2: say like, nope, look I'm here and I'm valid in
Speaker 2: a really fucked up way. I think that's what Emma
Speaker 2: was doing. And I don't think Charlie was looking at
Speaker 2: it from a race conversation either. I think he was
Speaker 2: looking at it more from the perspective of him not
Speaker 2: thinking she was one of those type of Americans I
Speaker 2: didn't see the race thing in this conversation, but I
Speaker 2: could be totally wrong, and I'm open to being totally wrong.
Speaker 2: So when they're talking about the part where Robert is
Speaker 2: talking to Misha, I agree with Jalen about the moment
Speaker 2: he was talking to her and she was repeating the
Speaker 2: shit that he was thinking. I think he was mad
Speaker 2: at himself for having these thoughts, and hearing them out
Speaker 2: loud made him realize just how much of a dumb
Speaker 2: ass he was being. Okay, so the cheating thing, so
Speaker 2: all right. My take on the whole situation is I
Speaker 2: feel like the entire movie is about perception, Like Rachel
Speaker 2: and Charlie's perception of Emma. Then we have this situation
Speaker 2: which outlines Charlie's perception of Misha.
Speaker 6: Right, she says she's cheated on her.
Speaker 2: Ex before, So Charlie immediately perceives that Emma is just
Speaker 2: a cheater, right, And she thinks that she's just a whore,
Speaker 2: and he thinks that, okay.
Speaker 6: Well she'll she'll cheat with me.
Speaker 2: I think this was less about him being her boss
Speaker 2: and more about him being a man who can't let
Speaker 2: go of his perceptions of other people's past he's doing
Speaker 2: the same thing to Misha if you think about it,
Speaker 2: that he's doing to Emma right to him, what Emma
Speaker 2: did in her past defines who she is now, And yeah,
Speaker 2: like the same goes for Misha to him. But also
Speaker 2: I think we have to outline here even in the
Speaker 2: discussion that the crew had, no one really asked what
Speaker 2: was up with Misha. We just immediately buy that she's
Speaker 2: a whoreor and that she did a bad thing, just
Speaker 2: like Emma. Right, And when y'all are talking about was
Speaker 2: the firing handled well?
Speaker 6: Like, did Emma handle that properly?
Speaker 2: What the firing outline to me is that all of
Speaker 2: this shit happening is changing Emma's attitude and worldview, like
Speaker 2: she's no longer empathetic towards the DJ. But when y'all
Speaker 2: y'all talk about the awkward DJ shows up and we're
Speaker 2: talking about the wedding and when that pop happened, I
Speaker 2: agree with Ken that shit was fucking hilarious. I hollered
Speaker 2: that was one of those moments that I was going
Speaker 2: to discuss with y'all that I was the only one
Speaker 2: laughing out loud in my theater. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the hell was going on there. Now, let's talk about
Speaker 2: the real point of contention that I saw in the
Speaker 2: cruise review, the whole power dynamic thing. When it came
Speaker 2: to Charlie and Misha. I thought that was a really
Speaker 2: interesting conversation that they had. But again, I think the
Speaker 2: whole movie, including this part, is really about perception. We
Speaker 2: see it one way, and you know, because we see
Speaker 2: it that way, we're convinced that that's the only way
Speaker 2: it could possibly be. Like, I didn't personally see it
Speaker 2: as any type of assault when I watched the movie,
Speaker 2: because I didn't know Charlie was her boss until Spike
Speaker 2: said it.
Speaker 6: And I'm still not sure if that's the case.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: If she's just a coworker or she's a subordinate I
Speaker 2: don't know. But was Misha totally down with what was happening,
Speaker 2: or did she see it as a situation where she
Speaker 2: had to give in in order to not make her
Speaker 2: job situation worse. We don't know, And I think that's
Speaker 2: the brilliance of this movie. It all depends on our
Speaker 2: perception of the scene and about the viewer's willingness to
Speaker 2: even entertain a perception that's not our own and by
Speaker 2: y'all's conversation, it's pretty clear how that played out for y'all,
Speaker 2: But I don't know, man, I think it's I think
Speaker 2: the introduction of the power dynamic is actually very interesting.
Speaker 2: I think it's also worth mentioning something that was not
Speaker 2: mentioned in y'all's discussion. The scene of Charlie cheating with
Speaker 2: Misha was intercut with the firing of the DJ.
Speaker 6: So if you watch it, it's really cool because.
Speaker 2: It cuts from the part where the DJ's saying I
Speaker 2: didn't do it when they're accusing her of smoking heroin,
Speaker 2: but she's still fired, and we're seeing Charlie's face while
Speaker 2: this is all happening, and then it's also cutting to
Speaker 2: him cheating with Misha and him stopping himself, so he's
Speaker 2: definitely thinking, just like the DJ is saying I didn't
Speaker 2: do it. Right, So it gives this idea of Charlie
Speaker 2: kind of panicking that Emma would dump him for something
Speaker 2: that he quote unquote didn't really do, the same way
Speaker 2: she's dumping the DJ over something that DJ says she
Speaker 2: didn't do. I thought that scene was really really dope,
Speaker 2: And yeah, my thoughts about the ending, man, I agree
Speaker 2: With Jalen, the biggest takeaway for me is that Charlie
Speaker 2: perceived what Emma did in a certain way and showed
Speaker 2: up to the relationship as a completely different person, which
Speaker 2: is something he was like accusing Emma of right not
Speaker 2: being the person that he fell in love with, and
Speaker 2: in his paranoid hyper focusing, he ended up becoming a
Speaker 2: different person than the one she fell in love with.
Speaker 2: So her showing up to the diner at the end
Speaker 2: was her saying that, unlike you, Charlie, I'm willing to
Speaker 2: accept that these in the past and that we should
Speaker 2: start over. We should not linger on the terrible things
Speaker 2: that you did, because you did some fucked up shit,
Speaker 2: but because I love you, I'm willing to let it go.
Speaker 2: I'm also a bit with Jalen. Charlie doesn't love and
Speaker 2: adore her, at least not the way that not the
Speaker 2: way that that I think a lot of people will
Speaker 2: get the impression of. I feel like he loves her,
Speaker 2: but he loves and adores the idea of her more
Speaker 2: than her herself. Right, he definitely loves her, but I
Speaker 2: just don't think he loves her to the degree that
Speaker 2: that Ken and Spike thinks he does. But but yeah, overall,
Speaker 2: I think this was a brilliant film. I think some
Speaker 2: of the best pieces of art don't just hand you answers.
Speaker 2: They they introduce questions and they and they spend a
Speaker 2: large amount of time kind of forcing you to analyze
Speaker 2: just how important those questions actually are.
Speaker 6: And yeah, this film does that.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: I totally agree with Ken.
Speaker 2: It talks about school shootings without really addressing a school shooting,
Speaker 2: but bigger than that, I think it really pushes the
Speaker 2: discussion of how and why we perceive things the way
Speaker 2: that we do, and why certain things hold more weight
Speaker 2: than other things might. So yeah, it's not essentially really
Speaker 2: about the school shooting itself. It's more so about the
Speaker 2: idea of why the school shooting holds that kind of
Speaker 2: attention or that kind of care or anger or whatever
Speaker 2: you want to say for someone like a Rachel or
Speaker 2: someone like Charlie or someone like Mike.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I thought that it handled the whole idea
Speaker 6: really well.
Speaker 2: Excellent film, And yeah, I wish I could have discussed
Speaker 2: it more with the crew.
Speaker 1: But there you go.
Speaker 2: There's my thoughts.
Speaker 1: Load to me.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I see it because I think the
Speaker 4: boy would have been.
Speaker 3: I think that's just some toxic shit we tell ourselves.
Speaker 4: Well I thought it was toxic from the very beginning,
Speaker 4: but yeah, totally it was different.
Speaker 3: I think love is what brought both of them to
Speaker 3: that dinner. If she don't love him, she ain't going
Speaker 3: back to that nine I didn't say by her, and
Speaker 3: I love him like I mean he loves her.
Speaker 2: I mean I think he realized how much he loved
Speaker 2: her as all of this shit was happy man, as
Speaker 2: a man, I have my past train b and as
Speaker 2: pissed as she was in that moment, she still she
Speaker 2: still heard me out, she still came back, talked to me.
Speaker 2: But when she sat down and thought about it, she
Speaker 2: moved on with her life like black women will sit
Speaker 2: down and listen to because because they love you. But
Speaker 2: that don't mean she's gonna stay like sometimes I mean
Speaker 2: they they do stay. Sometimes they sit down there, they
Speaker 2: think about it and be.
Speaker 3: Like, nah, this rights too much disrespect. To that point,
Speaker 3: I still don't think that text will help, because if
Speaker 3: she did love him, she wouldn't have went so like
Speaker 3: you're right. She might have sit there, might have listened,
Speaker 3: might have Yeah, I do love you, but I'm not
Speaker 3: doing this with you, So yeah, two things could be true.
Speaker 1: But he was the one called.
Speaker 4: It still came down to her decision because he was
Speaker 4: calling no answer, texting no answer, and she made the
Speaker 4: She he was the one that went to the dinner,
Speaker 4: walked right past him, just to let that motherfucker know,
Speaker 4: and then sat down. They took him a minute to
Speaker 4: pick up on what was going on, and then you
Speaker 4: can see the two of them, him realizing that, oh,
Speaker 4: she's trying to just wipe the select clean, and this
Speaker 4: is her way of doing it because she tried it before,
Speaker 4: and we're gonna move forward.
Speaker 3: You have kids. You think she asked her dad for advice?
Speaker 3: He told her to go to the diner and told
Speaker 3: her to leave him alone.
Speaker 1: I think she didn't ask her dad for advice. You did? Did?
Speaker 1: He probably would have been like, leave that motherfucker alone?
Speaker 3: What was what you think alone? Leave alone?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Because right all these seasons, you hurt my baby, and yeah,
Speaker 4: fucking yeah, you know the movie.
Speaker 1: Ship would have been like, but if you really love him,
Speaker 1: then you.
Speaker 5: Know you fucked up, like you fucked up her wedding
Speaker 5: and you cheated on her.
Speaker 3: Yeah we're good alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, over the mom maybe not so much white.
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I think we I think we
Speaker 5: see different on the ending and that's cool. I mean
Speaker 5: there's a lot of things we see different in this film,
Speaker 5: which makes it a good a good conversation piece.
Speaker 3: This might be my favorite movie. That's where it's at
Speaker 3: for me right now. It might be my favorite. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so so far, like.
Speaker 5: It balanced the comedy, the heaviness, the tension, felt like
Speaker 5: when they needed to be there, it was there.
Speaker 2: It was good.
Speaker 3: This was this is a good experience.
Speaker 4: It's a hell of a way, a very creative way
Speaker 4: to make commentary about school shootings without using the school shooting.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what.
Speaker 3: I loved about it. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is brilliant. Yeah that's I was in the movie
Speaker 3: thinking that it's a smart as fun so yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Again, we did talk about the director y'all, so yeah,
Speaker 5: like I did bring it there just so y'all aware
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 2: But again, art from artists is a great piece of work.
Speaker 2: But ship did they We talked to Nolan this week.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, you ain't seen you, you ain't seen invisible.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you out to know them.
Speaker 1: This week Okay, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all who saw it? Yeah, so all that ship
Speaker 3: King was talking about. Yeah, but.
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