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Speaker 1: doctor Hockey, I Mean and Bernard Simms will join us.

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Speaker 1: But first we got Kevin to open up the classroom

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Speaker 1: doors on this Chili Tuesday morning. Chili Monday too, Kevin right.

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Speaker 2: And it's Veterans Day, yes, indeed, man, and we thanking

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Speaker 1: How's that pretty good? Pretty good? The fight for those

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Speaker 2: And ironically the government is closed right after they finally

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Speaker 3: Till today it's closed.

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Speaker 2: It's officially closed, and everybody's chumping at the bits, I

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Speaker 2: You just wait just a little bit longer. How are

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling good, but I think most of those folks

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Speaker 2: I got some bills to pay it, man, Yeah, forget

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that'll help at all.

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Speaker 2: didn't tell you, all right. In other news, the seven

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Speaker 1: And the Gang of eight, Yeah, the Gang of eight.

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Speaker 2: So hey, look, Trump has a mortgage proposal now The

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Speaker 3: Hey. Look the airline cancelation.

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Speaker 2: So that's what's happening here on this particular Veterans Day,

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Speaker 2: thank you for your time, Carl. I could go on

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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, Kevin, and force some introduce somebody

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Doctor Hackey, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, Grand Rising, brother Carl, it's great to be back.

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Speaker 5: Good to hear my brother Kevin. Happy veterans day two

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna try to get me some free food today, Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Me too, why not?

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Speaker 4: Grand Rising Bernard grand Rising by the call by the

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Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Tell us are doing something real good for the brothers

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Speaker 5: But let me let brother Bernard, you know, open up

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Speaker 5: But Bernard, brother, Bernard Sims is you know, truly handling

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Speaker 1: How did this come about? The Man's Night Out?

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Speaker 4: The theme this year's Iron Shoppin's onn Some of our

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Speaker 10: A good morning, gentlemen, by by wish you and all

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Speaker 10: your listen as a meaningful Wednesday observance today. This sounds

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Speaker 10: a very good idea and it's imported to get our

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Speaker 10: my question is if you've fort about maybe it's there

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Speaker 5: Thank you? If I may, Hey, but thank you brother Mark,

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Speaker 5: it's along to you always get to see you out

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Speaker 4: Add in, yeah, I mean I think it's a great idea.

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Speaker 1: But all right, thirty minutes at the top half family

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Speaker 5: We stand, beautiful.

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Speaker 1: And let me ask both of your brothers and how

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Speaker 4: You know, that's a that's a that's a great idea.

437
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Speaker 4: I don't I can't say how we could actually reach.

438
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Speaker 4: So some of the organizations that we do partner with

439
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 4: do work where they do work with some of the

440
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Speaker 4: brothers on the street. We have a lot of partners

441
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Speaker 4: that Associated Black Charity works with that works with young

442
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 4: men who may been in and out of the system.

443
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Speaker 4: So we kind of lean on them to you know,

444
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 4: funnel that information to those young brothers to try to

445
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Speaker 4: get to an event like Men's Night Out.

446
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Speaker 5: I just and you know, if brother Mark the other

447
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 5: markets listening, I thought, that's who that was, Brother Mark.

448
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 5: See if you know that we are us and doctor Bunley,

449
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 5: brother Cat and Andrew, you know they have, you know,

450
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 5: be perhaps the strongest. You know, they out there every day.

451
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 5: Doctor Bully runs the City Men's program and we are

452
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Speaker 5: us stay out there every Monday. I catch him when

453
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Speaker 5: I can. But you know, just knowing who the people

454
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Speaker 5: that are out there right now who may be influences.

455
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Speaker 5: And let me tell you brother car and bred Bernard.

456
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 5: I was at this breakfast. I was sitting next to

457
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Speaker 5: rick Height. Now Ricky many people know him he was

458
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 5: like high and like the policing, but he was the

459
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Speaker 5: one that was instrumental, and I so appreciate fitting next

460
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Speaker 5: to him. Was instrumental in the violence interrupter you know programs,

461
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Speaker 5: and you know, really he was like mental to and

462
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 5: maybe we say arrested in peace to Brother Boxdale in Baltimore,

463
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 5: Brother call he was like a deputy mayor. He just

464
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Speaker 5: transitioned at age fifty three years old and actually as

465
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Speaker 5: trineral is tomorrow. But he, I mean Brother Boxdale was.

466
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Speaker 5: I mean, I ain't gonna say who absolutely is responsible

467
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Speaker 5: for the reduction in crime, but butter Rick Heights by

468
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 5: the Buckdale, he is the one that is responsible. I

469
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 5: know it's a team effort, of course, but but and

470
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 5: so we lost a giant just recently in Baltimore. But

471
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Speaker 5: you know, just knowing who the people are, and I

472
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Speaker 5: appreciate having that conversation. But heina he might be someone

473
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 5: that we have to really talk to because he was

474
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Speaker 5: actually was supposed to have that position, or if he

475
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 5: was offered that position with Man Scott, you know, he

476
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 5: lives may in retirement, et cetera, et cetera. So I

477
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 5: just mentioned those people and if anybody has butter Monk

478
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 5: or any young shop brothers, because we want to get leaders.

479
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 5: I believe, you know, we we you know, senior brothers,

480
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 5: older brothers. We may not be out there every day

481
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 5: in the streets. But some of the young leaders that

482
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 5: are out there that these brothers are working with, and

483
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 5: I've seen some of them, they bring them up to

484
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 5: different events. So if any of them are listening, you know,

485
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 5: please bring one or two or three. Let me know

486
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 5: however I can help, you know, to facilitate that. But please,

487
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 5: if we could get some of the strong leaders that

488
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 5: have a testimony right, have a testimony of transformation in

489
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 5: their life that other people can begin to mimic and say, look,

490
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 5: if that person can do it, that person can change.

491
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 5: I know that I can change. So that's my outreach

492
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 5: here to community brothers that are out here. So thank you,

493
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Speaker 5: thank you for that.

494
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Speaker 1: For the car all right twenty six away from the

495
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Speaker 1: top of the family. That's doctor Haki a Mini and

496
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Speaker 1: also Bernard Sims with us from Baltimore to have the

497
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Speaker 1: Men's Night out that's coming up with this on this Friday.

498
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Speaker 1: You'd like to speak of them, reach out to us

499
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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero, seventy eight, seventy six, Brenda,

500
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to the outreach again because

501
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: we talked about the brothers on the corner, Because my

502
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: concern is that you're preaching to the choir, the folks

503
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: are going to show up the ones who are already committed.

504
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Speaker 1: If you went into some of these high schools in

505
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Speaker 1: Baltimore and talk to some of these young brothers or

506
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Speaker 1: got the schools involved so you can go in and

507
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: have and address some because that's where it usually starts.

508
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: A lot of these brothers, I say say a lot,

509
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: but some of them don't have enough from two family homes,

510
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: if they don't have a man in their home to

511
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Speaker 1: rear them and tell and you know what things that

512
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: men should be doing in that aspect. Have you reached

513
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Speaker 1: out to any of the schools in Baltimore to get

514
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Speaker 1: some of these young brothers, because we see the results

515
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Speaker 1: of what happens on the streets when schools will let

516
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: out in Baltimore City. So my question again is if

517
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Speaker 1: you made any overtures to the schools.

518
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Speaker 4: Yes, we have reached out to some of the schools

519
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 4: in Baltimore City and also Baltimore County. We do have

520
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 4: a number of educators that do come to the event.

521
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Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna you know, I won't fully agree

522
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 4: to say this just preaching to the choir, because there

523
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 4: are new men and new young men who come to

524
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: the event every year to hear and to learn and

525
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 4: to go on. So I think it's really a great

526
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 4: opportunity to reach out to those young brothers. But yes,

527
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: we do reach out to our high school and even

528
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: our middle school young men to come to Men's Night Out.

529
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Speaker 4: We also run a program at Associated Black Charities called

530
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Speaker 4: Young Leaders Program where we have young people between the

531
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Speaker 4: ages of sixteen and twenty four who learn about serving

532
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Speaker 4: on a nonprofit board.

533
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Speaker 5: So that's also a resource for us to recruit.

534
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 4: Young men to come to our Men's Night Out as well.

535
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Speaker 4: On top of that, when Hockey was speaking about some

536
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Speaker 4: of these leaders, yes we know that there are many leaders.

537
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Speaker 4: I know Rick Ye very well when I work for

538
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Speaker 4: the Mayor's Office of Children in the Families many years ago.

539
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: And so it's brothers like you know, Rick, that we

540
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: reach out to. Brothers like as you said, David Miller,

541
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 4: and the list goes on and on, and even doctor

542
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 4: Bummy running the blackmail initiative through the Mayor's office. So

543
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 4: it's really important for us at Associated Black Charities to

544
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 4: stay in contact with these organizations that are actually out

545
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 4: there reaching the young brothers in the community on the

546
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 4: streets and try to get them to event like Men's

547
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: Night Out events that our hockeys may be sponsoring. So

548
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 4: it's just really important for us to keep that communication

549
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: through it all.

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Speaker 1: Right from the top, they have family. We gotta take

551
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: a short right, we gotta check the news and traffic

552
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: and weather in our different cities. When we come back, though, fellas,

553
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: can we talk about the fact that doctor David Miller

554
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: you mentioned him quite a bit and he has the

555
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: Rights of Passage program in Baltimore for young men. Are

556
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: you going to take parts of the rights of passes

557
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: and use it at this event when you have this

558
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: meeting at the REGINALD Luisa Center on Friday, And I'll

559
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: let you respond that when we get back. Family, you

560
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: two can get in on this conversation. This is not

561
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: a solo thing. Reach out to us at eight hundred

562
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and

563
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls. After the news, traffic and

564
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: weather it's next and Grand Rising family in Facts are

565
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: waking up with us on this Tuesday morning at sixteen

566
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Speaker 1: minutes away from the top. They are with our guest,

567
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: doctor Hockey, a Meanie, and Bernard Simmons from Baltimore. They're

568
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: having a men's night out take place on Friday. Before

569
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: we go back there, let me just remind you come

570
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: up later this morning. We're gonna hear from Attorney and

571
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: ki Chi Taifa get a reparations update. Also before Attorney Taifa,

572
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to meet a group of panels, actually of men.

573
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: They're discussing a ground breaking book that they wrote designed

574
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: to help African American man and boys, kind of like

575
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: what brother Hacky and Bernard are doing. Before we go

576
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: to that panel that we're going to speak with Cuffee

577
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: right out of Saint Louis. She's an activist in Saint

578
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: Louis and she's the wants to dedicate a plan to

579
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: honor African American soldiers from the Civil War era. Later

580
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: this week, you're going to hear from author and clinissioned

581
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: doctor Jerremy Fox. Also industrial psychologists doctor Edwin Nichols would

582
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: join it. So if you are in Baltimore. Make sure

583
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: you keep your radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB,

584
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: or if you're in the DMV family, or on fourteen

585
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: fifteen WL. All right, fellas, But you know before the

586
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: break I was asking you about the rights of Passages

587
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: that David Miller. David Miller is well known in Baltimore,

588
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: Doctor David Miller. You can give him his props and

589
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: he has the rights of Passage program for brothers of

590
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: the young man in Baltimore. Are you going to take

591
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Speaker 1: any elements from that rights of passage to share with

592
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Speaker 1: the young men that you guys are going to be

593
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Speaker 1: meeting this weekend.

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Speaker 4: Well, how I'll answer that, brother call, is when I

595
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: think about rights of passage really from birth to ancestorship,

596
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 4: I think some of the things that men will talk

597
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: about on Friday will kind of embrace all of those

598
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 4: elements of what who and what men are. One of

599
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 4: the things that I want your listeners to know this

600
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: is a multi generational event. Will have you know, young

601
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: men as young as twelve, will have some of our

602
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 4: elders as well as sixty and up that will be

603
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: at this event. But this, you know, this event is

604
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 4: about defining the stereotypes that you know, men can't love

605
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: one another, and they can be the solution to their

606
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 4: own issues by working together. Fellowship and joy are tools

607
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 4: of resistance in this current political environment. And too often

608
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: we think that people on the streets are the only

609
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 4: ones that need growth, But there are other men who

610
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: also need growth as well. So Men's might out brings

611
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 4: out people, you know, across socio economic standing and accomplishments titles.

612
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 4: So I think it not to say that it will

613
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 4: embrace rights and passes, but I think that some of

614
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 4: the things that we'll we talked about will probably embrace

615
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: some of those things. And to be honest, I mean,

616
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: we Hockey and I we both love and respect brother

617
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 4: David Melon. Him and I have been friends since we

618
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 4: were teenagers, and so we're looking to do some things

619
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 4: next year around black men and health that we're going

620
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 4: to partner on. So it's just going to be a

621
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 4: really great opportunity to hear from some really powerful leaders

622
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: from around Baltimore and really you know, try to drop

623
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 4: some serious knowledge on some some young brothers as well

624
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 4: as some older brothers. So I think it'll be a

625
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: really good event that will embrace probably some of those

626
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 4: rights of passes initiatives to.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, doctor Hackett, certainly, thank you.

628
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Speaker 5: And you know, coincidentally, you know when you mentioned the

629
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Speaker 5: rights a few years ago there, you know, Quint, you're

630
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: having this at the Regi Refluence Museum, but you know,

631
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Speaker 5: this is where a major, major rights of passage conference

632
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 5: was held and many brothers mostly brothers, uh came from

633
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 5: all over the country to the regular Influence Museum. I'm

634
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 5: including by the Paul Hill and actually his son is here,

635
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: but a phenon and a sister of Vasha. They're doing

636
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 5: phenomenal work in the Cherry Hill area, so let me

637
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: just mention them as well. But here's a thing called

638
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 5: you know, there's a lot of ideas and you know,

639
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 5: I'm sort of like a strategic glue, if you will,

640
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 5: connecting some of these dots, you know, in around the

641
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 5: Baltimore area. For instance, one of the things, you know,

642
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 5: when we bring black men up, you know, to you know,

643
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 5: hearing from these brothers a lot, the question becomes, all right,

644
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 5: what's next, and ultimately, you know, skill development, life skills,

645
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 5: career skills, all of these things have to come into play.

646
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 5: And so for instance, Senator Corey McCrae, he has a

647
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 5: book out now you know where he's talking about, you know,

648
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 5: the the the trade, the career that changed my life

649
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 5: and are not getting. But but he talked talking about

650
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 5: vocational skills and apprenticeships, you know, and so understanding that

651
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 5: young brother, people people are hungry, people need opportunities, people

652
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 5: need life skills.

653
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 12: Uh.

654
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 5: You know, those are some of the conversations that that

655
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 5: that rights and then initially but you know, these conversations

656
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 5: bring out of dependent upon the audience where the direction

657
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 5: we have to go. And I must also add, I

658
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 5: mean pushing people into community service work. You know, I

659
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 5: still work with my local community of the association that

660
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 5: I that I grew up in. You know, although I'm

661
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: you know, traveling all over you know Africa, I'm still

662
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 5: in the community given giving out food once a month,

663
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 5: you know, doing being service, being productive, serving the people.

664
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 5: This is what the Panthers were teaching as well. So

665
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: that's all I'll just say.

666
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: All right, ten away from the top, let me share

667
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: this with you, with the family, and especially with you

668
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: two brothers. TSU Tennessee State University of Maahia Medical College.

669
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: They're teaming up and they're offering scholarships where a student

670
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: would go to t SU for three years and then

671
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: on to Mahariy and finish it up to become a

672
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: medical doctor or a dentist in seven years instead of

673
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: the traditional eight years. Now check this out, fellas. They

674
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: have enough females already signed up for the program and

675
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: know n o black males. So if you know any

676
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: black male who are high school seniors that want to

677
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: become a medical doctor or a dentist and they have

678
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: twenty eight on the ACT and a three point five GPA,

679
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: it's possible for them to get a free ride to

680
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Tennessee State University and onto Mahary. So and I left

681
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: the information with Kevin. So those of you who are

682
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: listening and you got friends and students thinking about going

683
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: to Red school or dental school, there's possibly to go

684
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: to TSU and then on to Mahary and just call

685
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: Kevin at at the number of number and then he'll

686
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: give you all the information how to get in touch

687
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: with that. Because it's surprising me too, because no males really,

688
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, taken up on this. The sisters and we

689
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: see this quite a bit, fellows. So the sisters when

690
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: it comes to professional schools, we talked about what was

691
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: going on at Howard, the more women like they almost

692
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: ten to one brothers. When it gets worse, when it

693
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: goes into the masters and professional schools, it's even worse.

694
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: So is that an issue that you guys think that

695
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: needs to be discussed Because we're gonna have these systems,

696
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: we're all professional jobs. Nigga be looking for mates and

697
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: hopefully they'll find a mate who is equal, you know, educationally,

698
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: or is you know, earn has the ability to earn

699
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: the same income. Some of them may have to quote Unquan,

700
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: I know this is sort of controversial. Married down if

701
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: you will, but he's out of consideration when you guys,

702
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: when you put this together, because this is a serious

703
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: concerning the black community.

704
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's most definitely our concerned, brother Paul. We definitely

705
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: promote higher education for our young black men. I think

706
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 4: the last time I looked at some rapes, they might

707
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: have been around some statistic it might have been around

708
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 4: about forty percent of black men are completing for your

709
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 4: college degrees. So we definitely want to try to keep

710
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: young black men in that pipeline of going to college.

711
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: But we also realize that every young man is not

712
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 4: going to go to college. So are there great apprenticeship

713
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 4: programs out there? So we're seeing the apprenticeship programs really

714
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: come to fruition now where they're able to offer a

715
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 4: substantial living wage for young black men to be able

716
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: to throw out that. So we wanted to make sure

717
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 4: we get young black men in the pipelines of either

718
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 4: or either college educational apprenticeship and really just you know,

719
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: list them up to their fullest potential so that they

720
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: can be successful.

721
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: You know on screen point right there, some seven minutes

722
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: away from the top, because you know, occasionally we do

723
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: we interview brothers that are inside the joint brothers they say,

724
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: in captivity, and they figured a way how to listen

725
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: to this program. I'm not going to mention how, but

726
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: they got busted once and the apparatus was taken by

727
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: the prison officials. But out there in California and they

728
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: listened to the program and occasionally want to get out.

729
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: We have them on. One of them told me that

730
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: struck me. He says he didn't know the people worked

731
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: where he grew up. You know, people went went to

732
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: I had a nine to five. Because he had never

733
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: seen that, he had never thrown us young man everybody

734
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: was in a gang. His parents are in a gang,

735
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: scrand bears in a gang. So you know, that was

736
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: what he wanted to do. You know, what he saw

737
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: on TV was fanas. He didn't believe that happened in

738
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: the black community. And that's truely, Like, wow, my young

739
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: brothers need to have, you know, people that they can

740
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: see that having these jobs that can compete professionally on

741
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: any level with anybody in the world. So that's why

742
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm happy that you guys are doing this.

743
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 5: Sure, but to that.

744
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: Point, start the call. I'll just raise something that has

745
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: happened at Associated Black Charities. Just recently, there has been

746
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 4: a young man who has started to send part of

747
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 4: his money he's earned from prison. He's learned about Associated

748
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 4: Black Charities. His mother called the office and she said,

749
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: you know, my son has heard about your program. You know,

750
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 4: he's lived a certain life, but he's you know, turned

751
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 4: his life over. He wants to change. So he is

752
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 4: actually sending a portion of the money that he's making

753
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 4: to Associated Black Charities because he believes in what we're doing.

754
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 4: But not only that, he got two of his other friends.

755
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: He educated them about Associated Black Charities and now they

756
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 4: are also sending dollars to associated black charities to make

757
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 4: sure that we can continue doing the work that we're doing.

758
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: I just think that is so powerful. So we had

759
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 4: a brother who was incarcerated for many years, and I

760
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 4: know what he did and didn't get behind those walls,

761
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: and that he was ill equipped when he came out.

762
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 4: So I think the brothers today have more access to

763
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 4: information they wanted to, you know, make a difference, connect

764
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 4: with certain organizations. They want to change their lives. So

765
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 4: these are also great opportunities to connect with men on

766
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 4: the other side as well.

767
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 13: I know you want to say something well in terms

768
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 13: of which you were saying about the esteate and I

769
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 13: think and I did meet the last year, I believe

770
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 13: not Edwin, but perhaps the president of Baltimore.

771
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 5: Collegiate School, so they would would certainly be the most

772
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 5: plugged in, you know, in terms of that taking young

773
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 5: people having a high level of college acceptance rates, and

774
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 5: so it was pleasing that the bottom of collegiate were

775
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 5: there last year and they certainly will be participating this year.

776
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 5: So good to hear that from brother Bernard.

777
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: Family. I've got to get caught up on the ladies trafficking, weather,

778
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: before we do that again. If you know a young

779
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: man who's interested in going to med school or dental school,

780
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: or you know TSU has a program with Maharry two

781
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: Black colleges, and if they have a twenty eight on

782
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: act and a three point five GPA, it's possibly they

783
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: get a free ride. Just think about it, a free ride.

784
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: They they have enough sisters in the program, but they

785
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: have no brothers yet, So just passes along. Just and

786
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: if you want more information, just called Kevin at eight

787
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

788
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: I messure we've got to step asund get caught up

789
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: in the ladies' trafficking weather this morning. After that, we'll

790
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: take some calls for doctor Hakey and Bernard Sims right

791
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: here at the track of this next Monday, Tuesday morning,

792
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: I guess doctor Hakey Amani and also Bernard Sims from Baltimore.

793
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: They're having a man snight out. This doesn't take place

794
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: this Friday at the Regional Aflute New Lewis Museum in Baltimore.

795
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: So before we go, though, I got to ask Bernard

796
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: about some of the other players who are going to

797
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: all the other speakers. I actould say we are going

798
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: to be there because we know doctor Hackey is going

799
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: to be speaking, what about the other folks are going

800
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: to be speaking there.

801
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 4: As well, So we have our keynote speaker will be

802
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 4: Dante Winslow. Dante Winslow is from Baltimore. Dante is an

803
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 4: acclaim musician, author, composer, and trumpeter. He has worked with

804
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: many folks in the industry, the likes of you know,

805
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: Chris Stapleton, Alicia Keys, jay Z. He's worked with a

806
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 4: number of folks, so he's going to be our keynote

807
00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: speaker for the event. We also have again Robert Yard,

808
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 4: who is a prostate cancer survivor but an ambassador as well.

809
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 4: Robert goes all across the country talking about men's health,

810
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 4: but talking about the importance for men to you know,

811
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: get their exams and to make sure they are staying

812
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 4: on top of their help. We also have excuse me,

813
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: d Watkins, who is a world renowned author. He's a

814
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: professor here at Hopkins. He has worked on numerous films

815
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 4: around the country and also written many books. So we

816
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 4: have a very solid panel in which will be moderated

817
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 4: by Kurt Sykes. Who runs another powerful school here in

818
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 4: Baltimore called the Seed School that is producing great scholars

819
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 4: that are going on to four year colleges and apprenticeship program.

820
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 4: So we a't want to leave that out. So it's

821
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 4: going to be a well rounded panel with a great

822
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: keynote and great fellowship again, resources, great food.

823
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 5: So it will be a.

824
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 4: Really great time for young men and older man to

825
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 4: common scholarship and connecting here for some great leaders.

826
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: All right, before we let you fellows go, doctor Hockey,

827
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: give us the information again, where's going to be, what time?

828
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: And is there a phone number or an email address?

829
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 5: Sure, well, I'll let Bernard do part, but I have

830
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 5: the fly in front of it. On the fourteenth, it's Friday.

831
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 5: Our doors open at five thirty. We started six at

832
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 5: the Reginue of Lewis Museum in Baltimore, and hopefully everybody

833
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 5: knows where the Regine F. Lewis Museum is by now, certainly,

834
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 5: but Associated Black Charities website. I let him give that out,

835
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 5: you know, if they want to give out the phone

836
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 5: number as well, but I'll let him give out that information.

837
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 4: Sure, you can go to www. Associated Black Charities dot org.

838
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 4: Forward Slash Men's night and again that will be held

839
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 4: at the Regine Lewis Museum is Friday, which is located

840
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 4: at thirty East Pratt Street in Baltimore, Maryland, and we

841
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 4: will begin at five thirty pm. So we're really looking

842
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 4: forward to seeing the men in the place on Friday.

843
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: And brother call, thank you so much for this opportunity

844
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 4: by the Hockey.

845
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 8: You know, I love you.

846
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: And uh so we're just really excited to have men

847
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 4: and to see men and watch men and growth.

848
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: So thank you and thank you fellas for doing that,

849
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: because you guys are looking at for the younger brothers

850
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: and that's great to see. We don't see that happening

851
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: too much. People just pass each other like ships at sea.

852
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: Where we have to, you know, stop mean mugging each

853
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: other and get together because this is a different world

854
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: than when we grew up in. So thank you fellows,

855
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: Bernard and brother Hockey for doing that for us.

856
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 14: Thank you.

857
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 5: All right, all right, welcome, I'm going up to this

858
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 5: mountain here and mass and check the views out. So

859
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 5: got to come come on back to Maryland.

860
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: Call real sir, all right right, thanks for the invitation,

861
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: Doctor Hockey, thank you, Bernard.

862
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 13: Thank you, thank you thank four.

863
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: Minutes after the time I was bringing sister coffee, right Coffee, right,

864
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: Grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

865
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 15: Thank you very much, Thank you so much for having me.

866
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: And coffee is an activist in Saint Louis family. She's

867
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: been here before. And coffee. But you have a plan now.

868
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: You want to celebrate some of the African American soldiers

869
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: from from the Civil War era. Tell us why you

870
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: decided to do this?

871
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 15: Well, I decided to celebrate and honor our Color troops

872
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 15: as well as our Buffalo soldiers because it seems that

873
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 15: just clean out that a lot of especially blacks, are

874
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 15: not aware of that part of our history. And so

875
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 15: I think that not only do we need to continue

876
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 15: to create the awareness, but it gives us something to

877
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 15: be proud of. It gives us something to to fight

878
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 15: for and to understand our right of being here in America.

879
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's ironic that we have you on today

880
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: because this is a Veterans Day, and sometimes, you know,

881
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: a lot of times they don't even think about the veterans.

882
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: When they think about veterans, they think about you know,

883
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: probably Korea that the most are going back to, or people,

884
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: but they never think about the Civil rights there. They

885
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: never think about the Buffalo soldiers. They never think about

886
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: the so called colored soldiers and what they had to

887
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: endure fighting for this country and when they came back,

888
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: So they never think about those those Yeah, I think

889
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: for doing that, can you address that for us coffee?

890
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 15: Yes? Well, last last year, when I came up to

891
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 15: DC and I was reciting the Juneteenth National Anthem at

892
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 15: the White House, and the group of us we went

893
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 15: to the Black History Museum and it was so beautiful

894
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 15: and I enjoyed it, but some just kept edging me,

895
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 15: and it was to the point where I became annoying.

896
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 15: In my mind. It's like, you need to go to

897
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 15: the Civil War Museum. And I remember that a geologist

898
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 15: had told me that my grandmother grandparents name was in

899
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 15: the Civil War Museum. So I left the history museum.

900
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 15: I called up a gentleman who happens to be a

901
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 15: historian in DC by the name of my egg Gin,

902
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 15: and he said, he told me, if you need to

903
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 15: know anything or want to go anywhere, you need some transportation,

904
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 15: feel free to call me. So I said, I'm gonna

905
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 15: go ahead and call him on that. I called him up.

906
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 15: I asked him, do you know where the African American

907
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 15: Civil War Museum? He said, sure, you're not far from

908
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 15: it at all. He said, as a matter of fact,

909
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 15: I'm in the area if you want to write or

910
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 15: I'll take you. So he took me there and I

911
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 15: got to look the thirty eight regiment. When I saw

912
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 15: my grandmother's both of her grandfather's name etched in steel

913
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 15: on that wall, it just made me feel like throwing

914
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 15: a cape on. I said, wow. I looked around and

915
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 15: not only did I see their names, but I saw

916
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 15: two hundred and twenty nine thousand black men's name And

917
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 15: that's when it really hit me that I black men

918
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 15: freed us. When people asked how did you get free,

919
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 15: the first thing most people say, well, Abraham Lincoln freed us.

920
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 15: Abraham Lincoln gave us the opportunity to free ourselves when

921
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 15: the North was losing the Civil War against the South

922
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 15: and they really didn't have a choice, and Abraham Lincoln

923
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 15: wanted to win that war, of course, and he was

924
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 15: from the North. And so after Harry Tubb and Frederick Douglass,

925
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 15: their journal Truth, even John Brown, the white guy, you know,

926
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 15: when all of them were Martin Delaney they continued to

927
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 15: pressure Abraham Lincoln and try to convince him to let

928
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 15: the soak paul colored folks, you know, the enslaved black

929
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 15: man as well as the free black man. Why don't

930
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 15: you let them in the war and help you win.

931
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 15: But when he finally realized he had no chance of

932
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 15: winning that war, and he gave us the opportunity, our

933
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 15: black men stepped up.

934
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 9: They stepped up.

935
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 15: They could have said no, mass no, we're gonna keep working,

936
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 15: We're gonna keep picking that cotton and let you keep

937
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 15: waiting our women and children and hanging us. And no,

938
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 15: they said, I'm going for it.

939
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 9: I'm going for what I know.

940
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 15: And they went for what they know. Two hundred and

941
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 15: twenty nine thousands, being over four hundred black women pretended

942
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 15: to be black men, and they joined them, said, Mama

943
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 15: watched the kids. I'm going with him. And so for

944
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 15: our people to have that kind of strength and took

945
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 15: advantage of that opportunity, so we can be free. So

946
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 15: we didn't have to do what they did and endure

947
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 15: the hardship and the pain and the disrespect, and you know,

948
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 15: so we didn't have to. That's how we got free.

949
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 15: So we have to see that we are not each

950
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 15: other's enemies. As you say, we can't be mean mugging

951
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 15: each other because we all. You know, they say black

952
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 15: folks can't get can't come together. Hey, we came together.

953
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 15: And not only did we come together, we came together,

954
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 15: showed up and showed out. So when I got back

955
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 15: to Saint Louis, I realized I had some land, been

956
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 15: having it since the nineties, and I said, you know what,

957
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 15: I'm gonna bring that monument. I'm gonna bring that, maybe

958
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 15: not that particular monument, but that history back to Saint

959
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 15: Louis because they didn't teach us that in the public schools.

960
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 15: They decided the curriculum, and it never told us that

961
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 15: our ancestors freedom. So I said, I'm taking my land,

962
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 15: and I'm turned into the Color troops because that's what

963
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 15: they called the black men and women, the colored troops,

964
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 15: because black people couldn't join the arms before, so these

965
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 15: troops were colored because they called us color folks. I'm

966
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 15: gonna turn into the Color troops. But then I read

967
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 15: up and I remember the baddest of the Color troops,

968
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 15: the toughest, the best for the Buffalo soldiers, those are

969
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 15: the ones that became the Buffalo Soldiers.

970
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 14: So I said, it's.

971
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 15: Gonna be the color Troup Buffalo Soldiers, Thirteenth Amendment park

972
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 15: and I had to throw that thirteen amenen in because

973
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 15: that was the nail in the coffin. That really, you

974
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 15: know why Lincoln was assassinated, And that's horrible. But also

975
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 15: the thirteenth Amendment when it ratified December sixth, eighteen sixty five,

976
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 15: that said no slavery has to be abolished throughout the

977
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 15: entire United States, never again, only in prison, which is unfortunate,

978
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 15: but it could legally be a slave in prison, and

979
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 15: I hate that. But the thirteen Amendment abandoned and abolished

980
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 15: slavery everywhere in the United States. And we understand, mister Nelson,

981
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 15: that this is America. It was not the United States

982
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 15: of America. It was America. And what made it become

983
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 15: the United States was when our black men won the war,

984
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 15: When we helped them to win the war changed the

985
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 15: entire trajectory. Then that is how the state America became

986
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 15: united And that was what Lincoln wanted, was to put

987
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 15: all the states, make all the territories part of America,

988
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 15: which became the United States.

989
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 12: And so and.

990
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: Coffee. Right, let me say this, doctor coffee right, you're

991
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: teaching this morning, sister. You are absolutely teaching the stuff

992
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 1: that you just said. They haven't taught this in school.

993
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: You don't go through school. They didn't tell us about

994
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: the Colored Soldiers or the Buffalo Soldiers. When we heard

995
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: about the Buffalo soldiers were grown. We're probably hearing a

996
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 1: song by Bob Marley. What's he talking about Buffalo soldiers?

997
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: And he's a reggae saying what does he know about

998
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: Buffalo soldiers? Then we started doing some research. They start

999
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: had our folks. You know, the Buffalo soldiers is served

1000
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: in the army after the Civil War. But let me

1001
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: case DoD to coffee, right, did you investigate why these

1002
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: brothers went to fight for America? And knowing how they

1003
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: were treated. You mentioned that we're still you know, straight

1004
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: out discrimination and some of them some areas still enslaved

1005
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: and Jim Crowz going on and all those things that

1006
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: are against us hit they went and fought for this country.

1007
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: Did you ever figure that out? Why they did it?

1008
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 15: You know after the Civil War you speaking of right, Well,

1009
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 15: you know a lot of them they thought it was

1010
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 15: an opportunity. You know, we didn't. We sure didn't. When

1011
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 15: they freaked us, they didn't give us. They didn't give

1012
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 15: us anything. Some of them even took some of the

1013
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 15: masters took the clothes off our back. Some people were

1014
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 15: free and had to give up the shoes and the

1015
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 15: clothes that they owned. So, you know, after the Civil War,

1016
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 15: when they freed us, or when we freed ourselves, should

1017
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 15: I say, after that happened, they gave this home when

1018
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 15: the Homestead Act came. And remember they gave one hundred

1019
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 15: and twenty seven acres to everybody. That's what was so

1020
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 15: appealing to the Germans and everyone else. Come to the

1021
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 15: United States of America. Get one hundred and twenty seven

1022
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 15: acres free land, just build on it. But if you're black,

1023
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 15: you can't have none. Everybody but the color folks, you know,

1024
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 15: just like the song they had out, everybody have a

1025
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 15: flag but the coons number one hit songs in the country.

1026
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 15: And Marcus Garby said, yeah, they right, but we got

1027
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 15: to do something about that. So then he created the

1028
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 15: Pan African flag and said, we don't have our own red,

1029
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 15: black and green. So we've always been mistreated, neglected, left out,

1030
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 15: and we built this country, but our brothers they go

1031
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 15: in to the military. Our sisters going to the military

1032
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 15: thinking a better opportunity, and most of them find that

1033
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 15: there's so much discrimination in there. When you come back

1034
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 15: to America, you don't get the same benefit. They couldn't

1035
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 15: get the GI bill when they come back from Vietnam.

1036
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 15: They have to go back to the projects where they

1037
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 15: came from, or wherever you live in And the white

1038
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 15: boys they come back from Vietnam and they get brand

1039
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 15: new homes, built, brand new community, all the benefits, but

1040
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 15: no GI Bill, no.

1041
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 16: DA loan.

1042
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 15: Basically didn't give you a lung. So you know, we've

1043
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 15: never been treated fast. So I said, this is not

1044
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 15: gonna be the Coffee Right Park. It's not even gonna

1045
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 15: be named after my ancestors. But it's gonna be the

1046
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 15: Color Troops Buffalo Soldier thirteen Amendment Park because we're naming

1047
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 15: it after all the black men. And let me tell

1048
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 15: you something, everybody, if you have a lick of black

1049
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 15: blood in your body, one of those two hundred and

1050
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 15: twenty nine thousand Color Troops, I can guarantee you they

1051
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 15: related to you, if not more than one, because if

1052
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 15: that's nine, I'm sixty. And if you're in my age range.

1053
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 15: It would probably be your grandparents, grandparents, and most of

1054
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 15: those kids was that fought the war. They were kids,

1055
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 15: they were fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old. When we talk

1056
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 15: about our black boys, I heard killing up and going crazy,

1057
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 15: shooting up everybody. They're warriors, their hero and it's in

1058
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 15: their blood and nature. The only problem is they have

1059
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 15: to realize we are not each other's enemies. Stop killing

1060
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 15: up each other. Say that strength energy for the real enemy,

1061
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 15: because one day you just might have to face them,

1062
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 15: and we don't need everybody on the right side of

1063
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 15: the thing.

1064
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: So that I left aught right there, sister coffee right

1065
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: tot to coffee right a sister, coffee right sister, you

1066
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: preaching right now. I just want to thank you because

1067
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that you're talking this morning, folks

1068
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: are hearing it for the first time. And ironically again,

1069
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: the memorial, the plaques that are commemorating African American soldiers

1070
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: fighting against the Nazis in Europe have been removed by

1071
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: the US military. This is the Trump Administration's a group

1072
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: of folks. They've remove those plaques. It's good that you're

1073
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: going to set something up so our people can know

1074
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be saying Louis, so we'll have to

1075
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: go there and just, you know, honor our brothers and

1076
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: sisters who fought for this country. But I'll tell you what.

1077
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that when we get back, because I've

1078
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: got to step aside. Right now at sixteen minutes after

1079
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: the top of our family, you want to join this

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00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: conversation with doctor Coffee right, she's an activist out of

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00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: Saint Louis. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

1082
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

1083
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for

1084
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: staying with us on this Tuesday morning, a Veteran's Day holiday,

1085
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: federal holiday, and we have our guest from Saint Lucie's

1086
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: an activist, doctor Coffee Wright, and she's got me hyped up.

1087
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: She tell us about her plans to honor the brothers

1088
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: who were in the Civil War where they call them

1089
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: the Colored Soldiers back then all members of the Buffalo Soldiers.

1090
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: This is the stuff that they want to take out

1091
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: of the history books. This is the stuff they don't

1092
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: teach us. You know, before they started taking it out

1093
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: in high school, they never told us that we thought

1094
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: were the history stories they told us. We thought, well,

1095
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: some of them us, but all the pictures were all

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01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: she sees white boys in there. So but we know

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01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: our folks were there because we were here, so we

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01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: know we were part of the fight. And the thing

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01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: is that doctor right, and we did me ask you

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01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: this though, dude. One of the issues I heard with

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01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: the brothers and this is what I thank the brother

1102
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: who tell me that the Trump administration is taking those

1103
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: plaques out that honored our elders who fought for this

1104
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: country when they went overseas to fight against the Nazis

1105
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: and the Nazis and they came back and the Nazis came.

1106
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: Some of them came back to the Nazis were treated

1107
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: better than the brothers who are fighting against them. How

1108
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: do they deal with that kind of you know, in

1109
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: their break like, hey, we're trying to say if you

1110
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: you come over here and now you're honoring white because

1111
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: you're white, it's all about the color of my skin

1112
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: and you getting more breaks than I did. And they still,

1113
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word, they're still peeing

1114
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: on me.

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01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 4: You know.

1116
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: Come, how did those brothers that deal with that doctor Wright.

1117
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 15: Oh, they just called so much, so much felt hatred

1118
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 15: actually because here, you know, they're over there, you know,

1119
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 15: our black men and you know, risking their lives, and

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01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 15: many of them lost their lives. And then they come

1121
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 15: back and treated as nothing. You know, they went on drugs,

1122
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 15: they start turning on themselves and broke up the families

1123
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 15: and stopped our families from even being able to advance.

1124
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 15: They thought, well, hey, I'm over there fighting. You know,

1125
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 15: I come back. You know, this country's done love me.

1126
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 15: But they come back and they're still discriminated. Even when

1127
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 15: they're over there fighting, they're discriminated by their so called military.

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Speaker 9: Brothers, you know.

1129
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 15: So uh, we have to we have to figure out

1130
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 15: does that even does these wars concern us? You know,

1131
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 15: I always felt like maybe the presidents of these countries

1132
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 15: should fight each other. Why are you putting all these

1133
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 15: people out there to fight? You know these causes, But

1134
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 15: none of these battles really have been our concern. We

1135
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 15: haven't had a problem. Like Muhammad Alis said that, you know,

1136
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 15: they ever done nothing to me. It's the people over

1137
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 15: her that's discriminating. And I have to, you know, salute

1138
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 15: him for not for standing up and rather go to jail,

1139
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 15: go to prison than to fight in these wars. But

1140
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 15: the Civil War we had a we had a dog

1141
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 15: in a fight for that we had, we had something

1142
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 15: to fight for, and the incentive was our freedom. And

1143
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 15: so not only is the color true part honoring our

1144
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 15: black men who fought in the Civil War and the

1145
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 15: four hundred black women, which the most famous one was

1146
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 15: Kathay Williams. She pretend her name was william Cat. They

1147
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 15: until she got hurt and they you know, went to

1148
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 15: the hospital and she found out that he had a

1149
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 15: little more upfront at top and less at the battle.

1150
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 15: But we're also it's dedicated to all black veterans up

1151
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 15: even up to this day and point this park is

1152
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 15: dedicated to all black vetters because none of them had

1153
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 15: to join, and none of them had to get in

1154
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 15: any war. You know, they made a choice, even if

1155
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 15: even if the option was going to prison as Muhammad

1156
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 15: Ali did, they did not have to join. So it's

1157
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 15: dedicated to all of them. And as Trump is closing

1158
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 15: down and taking names and pulling people black people out

1159
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 15: of these museums, he can't touch up. Because we are

1160
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 15: for the people, by the people. We only take donations

1161
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 15: and fundraisers. We will not take a government grant for

1162
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 15: this spot. And Johnson Lancaster is partnering with me with this.

1163
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 10: And he did.

1164
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 15: He's he's more of the i'll call him. He's a journalist,

1165
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 15: which also he has a lot of uh, he just

1166
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 15: does a lot of you know, research. And he brought

1167
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 15: to my attention that the grounds that I owned was

1168
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 15: actually once named Benson Barns. I mean, how that that that?

1169
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 17: You know, no way in the world.

1170
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 15: I didn't know that that was Benon Barris. And Benson

1171
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 15: Barris is where Missouri was one of the battlegrounds during

1172
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 15: the Civil War, and Benson Barris is the spot where

1173
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 15: the Color Truth lived eight left and was medicated. And

1174
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 15: so that it was just it was just God, That's all.

1175
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 17: It was God, you know.

1176
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 15: And I'm not. I'm not. I don't claim any religion

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01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 15: as a matter of fact, whether I speak in church

1178
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 15: or a club, I'll tell him, I've been baptized four

1179
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 15: times and disappointed all four But I believe in God.

1180
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 15: I believed in the Higher Power whatever people want to

1181
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 15: call him. Everybody got different names for him, but I

1182
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 15: believed in him. And so it was meant for that

1183
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 15: to happen. That part is for everybody. If you have

1184
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 15: a liquor black blood in your body, know that your

1185
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 15: ancestors freed you. And how we how we found that

1186
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 15: part is we have bricks. We have a roll of

1187
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 15: bricks and it's called the Moses Dixon Path to Liberty.

1188
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 15: And if people don't know who Moses Dixon is, because

1189
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 15: when you said, mister Nelson, that they didn't teach us

1190
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 15: that in school. On the other side of the park, Okay,

1191
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 15: we're located on the north side of the park on

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01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 15: the first street that borders the park, Fairgrounds Park, and

1193
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 15: that park was one's named Benson Barry, and I happened

1194
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 15: to have the property directly across the street. Well, Lancaster

1195
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 15: and I started doing some research and he's more of

1196
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 15: a historian, but we found out that Fairgrounds Park was

1197
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 15: double the side. So where this new park is the

1198
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 15: Color Troops Buffalo Soldiers, Thirteenth Amendment Park. We were actually

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01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 15: in the heart of Fairgrounds Park, which was Bitting Barry,

1200
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 15: So this ground is sacred. And on the other side

1201
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 15: of Fairgrounds Park was the high school that I attended,

1202
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 15: and they never taught us any of this, and it's

1203
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 15: right across the street. We walked through that park every day.

1204
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 15: Even as children. We played in that park. My grandfather

1205
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 15: fished in that park and bought home the food for

1206
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 15: us to eat. Our candy store was where I am now.

1207
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 15: And so everybody have to know that our ancestors freed us.

1208
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 15: Our black men stood up because a lot of times

1209
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 15: we look at our black men flyways and said, if

1210
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 15: I was back there doing slavery, I don't know if

1211
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 15: I could even been with those men. They have them?

1212
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 15: Why was there? Women said they having babies and them

1213
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 15: men was weak? They wasn't weak. Plenty of them tried

1214
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 15: to escape and got killed. Plenty of them did what

1215
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 15: they had to do. But when it was time where

1216
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 15: they really could do what they needed to do, they

1217
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 15: stepped up. They stepped up, showed up, and showed out.

1218
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 15: And so Moses Dixon, I just please let me tell

1219
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 15: you short, real quick of Moses Dixon, because that's what

1220
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 15: the path that our bricks are on. These bricks are

1221
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 15: personalizing grave bricks. Anybody in the world, as matter of fact,

1222
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 15: much loved to Baltimore. They when we were up there

1223
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 15: last week in d C. Baltimore, and when we went

1224
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 15: to battle. More in Baltimore Community bar Bricks they allowed

1225
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 15: us to speak of. They rented an auditorium, or one

1226
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 15: of the brothers I think owned the auditorium and Pike's Auditorium.

1227
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 15: I believe that was the name of it. But anyway,

1228
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 15: Bay Barbricks. But Moses Dixon was the brother he's He

1229
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 15: was born in Ohio, but he lived in Saint Louis.

1230
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 15: Long story short, before slavery was overturned, before slavery was abolished.

1231
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 15: This brother trained almost fifty thousand black men to overthrow slavery.

1232
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 15: He trained him how to fight, how to shoot guns

1233
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 15: and everything. So I salute him. And he has a

1234
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 15: cemetery right here in Saint Louis. They have his own

1235
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 15: cemetery called the Father Dixon Cemetery. So would anybody come

1236
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 15: from any part of the country. People buying bricks from DC,

1237
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 15: They're buying bricks from California, Laos, Vegas, all over. This

1238
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 15: ain't a Saint Louis thing, Family, This is a black thing, Okay,

1239
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 15: this is the all of our thing. It's even a

1240
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 15: white thing. It's a word thing because it's to let

1241
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 15: everybody know the roles that our black men played as

1242
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 15: well as our black women that stood up in freeing

1243
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 15: ourselves where they say, go back to Africa. Hey, baby,

1244
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 15: this was once called Turtle Island before they before they

1245
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 15: colonized it and named it America, and before it was

1246
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 15: the United States. Our black men, predominantly black men, made

1247
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 15: it become the United States by helping to win that

1248
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 15: Civil War. So we have to teach that. And I

1249
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 15: think when our young folks realize how powerful their ancestors are,

1250
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 15: understanding what's in their DNA, I think that could maybe

1251
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 15: possibly allow us to love on each other a little

1252
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 15: better than to think. Because somebody stepped in your tennis shoes,

1253
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 15: it's time for their life to end. So I wanted

1254
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 15: to share that. You know, and anybody listening, you can

1255
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 15: get a brick, a personalized brick with your name on it.

1256
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 15: You can even sponsor, have sponsor the buffalo. We have

1257
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 15: a seven foot long statue of a buffalo that we bought.

1258
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 15: We just paid for it. Finally this stumbled across it

1259
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 15: crossed it in April and then I paid it off

1260
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 15: in August. We have an eagle with a ten feet

1261
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 15: wingspan and it's silver. Well guess what the Color troops

1262
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 15: made their old flag and it happened to have a

1263
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 15: silver ego on it, And so what was the chances

1264
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 15: of me finding these two items at the same place,

1265
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 15: and they were made from out the country, and I

1266
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 15: just so happened stumbled on them, stumbled across a They

1267
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 15: the only ones they have, but we have both of them.

1268
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 15: The eagle's gonna go twenty feet in the air. We

1269
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 15: haven't installed yet. People follow my Facebook page, they'll see

1270
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 15: everything I'm telling them about constantly. The eagle in the

1271
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 15: buffalo is still at the store we bought it from

1272
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 15: because we're trying to raise funds to buy a fence,

1273
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 15: the eight foot fence as well as a stone wall

1274
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 15: to go around the Color Troops Park because we don't

1275
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 15: want anyone's fells it. You know, the White boys throw

1276
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 15: Baby Jesus and that's where on this from a church

1277
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 15: on the south side. So if they were still Baby

1278
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 15: Jesus from the church in the south that I don't

1279
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 15: put anything past anybody else from trying to steal our

1280
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,520
Speaker 15: buffalo for our eagle. So that's why we have the fundraisers,

1281
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 15: you know, but we refuse to take any type of

1282
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 15: government funding.

1283
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 12: We're not going to do it.

1284
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,560
Speaker 15: If we can't we don't have enough grassroots organizations to

1285
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 15: chip in to try to raise the fifteen thousand dollars

1286
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 15: we need to buy this fence and these bricks, these

1287
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 15: stone walls, and then you know the stone blocks. I

1288
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 15: don't know if you ever seen those large stone construction blocks,

1289
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 15: but they go for about one hundred and twenty dollars each.

1290
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Speaker 15: We need fifty four. So if anybody listening and want

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01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 15: to donate some blocks, we need them because we're making

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01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 15: a wall with them. We double stacking them four feet high,

1293
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 15: and we want to put that eagle on. We want

1294
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 15: them triple stack for the eagle so he can start

1295
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 15: at six feet high and he stands six feet tall.

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01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: I mean this family hall of thought right there, Doctor Coffee, Right,

1297
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: you got folks all fired up already. Some people want

1298
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: to talk you twenty nine minutes away from the top.

1299
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: Then family just checking in and voice you hear it's

1300
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: doctor Coffee, right. She's an activist in Saint Louis and

1301
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: she's donating land that she owns in the Saint Louis

1302
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: area to honor our African American soldiers. They were called

1303
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: colored soldiers back then, or some of them we know

1304
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: as the Buffalo soldiers after the Civil War, these men

1305
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: that fought for this country and got nothing in return.

1306
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: You mentioned too at this point because again this is

1307
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: not this is not in the history books. When the

1308
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: brothers came back, they didn't get anything of a gi bill.

1309
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: You know when the first ot of brothers, the white

1310
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: boys got all everything. They got their housing, you know,

1311
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,879
Speaker 1: you know the bill Oh's houses out in Long isrond Levittown,

1312
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: and they got the educational you know, free college. But yeah, brothers,

1313
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: they got nothing. But before I take a call for you,

1314
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: how many sisters do you think?

1315
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 5: Uh?

1316
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: You know, when as brothers to fight for this country,

1317
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: there were a lot of assisters who did that.

1318
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 15: Yes, it was over four hundred black women. They pretend

1319
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 15: to be black men. They said, Mama washed the keys,

1320
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 15: I'm going with dad, Mama washed the kids. I'm going

1321
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 15: with my man, I'm going with my brother over. And

1322
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 15: they were the nurses. You know, they fought, even Harry Submon,

1323
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 15: you know, they fought, They fixed wounds, they cooked for them,

1324
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 15: they made them close because you know, when they let

1325
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 15: the black men in the war, half of them didn't

1326
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 15: even have shoes, didn't have coats gave him the worst guns.

1327
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 15: Some of them didn't have weapons. They put them in

1328
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 15: the front row and they worked to de tear the

1329
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 15: enemy while the white boys did the shoot. So a

1330
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 15: lot of them didn't even have weapons, just standing there

1331
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 15: and so they can get shot up to protect the

1332
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 15: white boys so they can have time to shoot. Because

1333
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 15: you know those guns they had back then, this was

1334
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 15: only one shot. You know, you stand and it wasn't

1335
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 15: like you see the wars now where you're had in

1336
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 15: the tree or down in the ditch. For the most part,

1337
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 15: they were standing in line. Remember those were the pictures

1338
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 15: that we see where everybody standing in line and you

1339
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 15: face the face with your enemy, you shoot him or

1340
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 15: he shoot you, and then you fall down and the

1341
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 15: next person shoot and so it's the last man standing

1342
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 15: type of deal.

1343
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 6: Right.

1344
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought that twenty sticks away from the time

1345
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: I mentioned that some folks want to talk to you. Ready,

1346
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: Jean's up first, he's calling from Pikesville in Marylton. He's

1347
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: online one Grand Rising Gin with doctor Coffee Wright.

1348
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 8: H come doctor, right, thank you, thank you very much.

1349
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 8: I'm ex military. Uh and uh, I'm sorry called. I

1350
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 8: forget what your phrase is. The top of the morning

1351
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 8: to everybody. Yeah, Sergeant Rutledge of the I think he

1352
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 8: was either the ninth Cavalry or a tenth Cabaret. There

1353
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 8: were the original Buffalo Soldiers who served in the Civil

1354
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 8: War won the Congressional Medal of Honor. Are you familiar

1355
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 8: with Rutledge In the movie Buffalo Soldiers, they portray him.

1356
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 15: Well, I'll be honest, I don't claim to be a historian,

1357
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 15: you know, so I'm not that. I mean you were

1358
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 15: to make hut up. Lancaster is our historian, and I

1359
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 15: wish he was on this car because Lancaster. But the

1360
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 15: ninth and I'll tell you about the nineteen ten Cavalry.

1361
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 15: That was a common nation of a lot of different

1362
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 15: that wasn't just when when they were colored troops. What

1363
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 15: they did was to spout of the regiment and put

1364
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 15: them together and made the cavalry. Yeah, so yes, I

1365
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 15: know that included to thirty eight.

1366
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, so you know, but again I'm just saying

1367
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 8: that that's who they were. But after the Civil War,

1368
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 8: they served in the Southwest and they used to turn

1369
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 8: you know, the American government used the term pacifying the Indians, right,

1370
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 8: So of course the the Apache where the the warriors

1371
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 8: in the in the Southwest who were kicking you know,

1372
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 8: hour behind. But it was the Buffalo soldiers who really

1373
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 8: gained their dignity and respect from the Apache.

1374
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 14: Uh in that war.

1375
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 5: Because again we referred.

1376
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 8: To each other as veterans, but we are warriors.

1377
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 14: That's what we are.

1378
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 8: We are warrior class of people. And so we carry

1379
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 8: on it to the African tradition of the warrior class.

1380
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 8: And that's in our DNA and and and you know,

1381
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 8: and basically that that's you know, that that's basically whatever,

1382
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 8: it's thank you for what you're doing and illuminating, you know,

1383
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 8: the the role that we played, uh, you know in

1384
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 8: the United States military because it was essential and basically

1385
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 8: sad to say the United States would not be as

1386
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 8: powerful as it as it became after the Civil War

1387
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 8: because of.

1388
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 15: US absolutions of the North.

1389
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 8: That's the same time again, you know, I just want

1390
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 8: to thank you as a veteran. You know what you're

1391
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 8: doing right now, all right?

1392
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: And doctor hold on sag We got to check that

1393
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: in another check of the news trafficking right on different cities.

1394
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 1: I come back. Carl in Northern Virginia wants to speak

1395
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: to you family. You two can join this conversation with

1396
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: Doctor Coffee right out of Saint Lucian's an activist. She's

1397
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: put together a memorial for our brothers assistants who served

1398
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: in the armed forces back then. Some of them would

1399
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: called the Colored Troops or buff soldiers. What are your thoughts?

1400
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy

1401
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: six as the conduit to Doctor Wright, and we'll take

1402
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 1: a calls after the news trafficking weather, it's next and

1403
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Family factual rolling with us on this Tuesday morning.

1404
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: I guess is Doctor Coffee right out of Saint Louis

1405
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: and Doctor Coffee right is donating part of the land

1406
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: that she owns in the Saint Louis here to create

1407
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: a memorial for our African American soldiers. They were known

1408
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: as the Colored Troops back then or the Buffalo soldiers.

1409
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: And this is what we're discussing this morning. Before we

1410
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: go back to the lemons, remind you TSU Tennessee State

1411
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: University and Maharred have created a program where you could

1412
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: go to TSU you know Tsue for and then to

1413
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 1: Mahara to finished to become a medical doctor. A dentist

1414
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: and then in seven years, you can do that in

1415
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: seven years instead of the traditional eight years. They have

1416
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: enough females signed up for the program. No black males.

1417
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: You know in a lot of our professional schools that

1418
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: people who don't look like cause they take advantage. So

1419
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: if you know any black males, any young brothers and

1420
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 1: sisters who are high school brothers who are high school

1421
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: seniors and they wanted to be I'm a medical doctor

1422
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: or a dentist. So they have a twenty eight on

1423
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: act and a three point five that'surely have three point

1424
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: five gpat as. Possibly they get a free ride at

1425
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:13,799
Speaker 1: Tennessee State University, then they can go on to Maharry.

1426
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: So just call Kevin at eight hundred and four or

1427
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: five is there are seventy eight seventy six and Kevin

1428
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: has all the information on that for you. And coming

1429
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: up later this morning, we're going to speak with Attorney

1430
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: an Kischi Taifa and we're going to talk get a

1431
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: reparations up there. And before we speak with attorney and

1432
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: Kichi though we have a panel three brothers are gonna

1433
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 1: they're going to talk about actually they're going to veil

1434
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: their groundbreaking book that's crafted to provide solutions for African

1435
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: American men and boys. Later this week, coming up on

1436
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: this program, we're going to have author and clinician doctor

1437
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: Jeromy Fox, and also industrial psychologist doctor Edwin Nicholson. They're

1438
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 1: all going to be here this week. So if you

1439
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: are in Baltimore, keep you radio locked in tight on

1440
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 1: ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV family

1441
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 1: around fourteen fifty WL. So I mentioned before the break,

1442
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 1: Carl's calling us for Northern Virginia is online too. Once

1443
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: you speak to doctor right cars, you're wrong with doctor.

1444
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 9: Coffee, right, Grand Rising, Grand Rising?

1445
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 18: Can you hear me?

1446
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 15: Sure, yes, yes, we can hear you.

1447
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 4: Okay, hey listen.

1448
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 5: I know you're talking about basically the Buffalo Soldiers and

1449
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 5: the Civil War era.

1450
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 4: I'm a retired military veteran myself, and I noticed that

1451
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 4: for most black veterans on Veterans Days, people come up

1452
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 4: and say thank you for your service. But you know,

1453
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 4: I say to them, particularly to the non millenated people,

1454
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 4: before you sent me for my service, you need to

1455
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 4: tell my story. And you're telling a story about the

1456
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 4: Buffalo Soldiers. That's an untold story or whatever. But what

1457
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 4: came to mind to me this morning was the story

1458
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 4: of Isaac Woodard, who was a World War Two veteran

1459
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 4: who was blinded by the police after World War Two

1460
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 4: when he was going home wearing his military uniform because

1461
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 4: he spoke up like a black, like a man to

1462
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 4: the bus driver, and the police blinded this man and

1463
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 4: he died. Poor uh and Joe Lewis I believe, had

1464
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 4: to take up his his story or what had to

1465
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 4: take up his case, and he was never able to

1466
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 4: get in justice. Okay, nobody knows, they never And I

1467
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 4: noticed today on the History Canel when I got up

1468
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 4: this morning, I flipped that on Afotter film the news.

1469
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 4: They were talking about the Teschke German and all of that,

1470
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 4: and they have that hype up story, but they don't

1471
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 4: have the story of Isaac Woodard, who was also a

1472
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 4: World War Two veteran, you know, or they don't have

1473
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 4: a story about the Month of Fort Marines. You know,

1474
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 4: out there were the black the first black joined the

1475
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 4: Marine Corps. Couldn't train in Paris Island. They had to

1476
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 4: train at this place called Month of Point, North Carolina,

1477
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 4: and the Month of Point Marines trained harder than the

1478
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,759
Speaker 4: Marines at Paris Island. Okay, they don't tell that story.

1479
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 4: And I was, I went through all of TC, I

1480
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 4: was gonna be an officer, and I wanted to be

1481
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 4: an officer in the Marine Corps.

1482
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,080
Speaker 6: Never heard that story, Okay.

1483
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 14: Never heard that story.

1484
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 4: Last one, that's one more, well do you want? I

1485
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 4: never heard the thing about dignity and pride, right that

1486
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 4: came out of the Vietnam era, when the black soldiers,

1487
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 4: officers and millers and the enlisted they had to get

1488
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 4: together and.

1489
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 19: To know who was who, Who was who in missou,

1490
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 19: who was on your team?

1491
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 4: You give us when you get a handshake. That's where

1492
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:26,759
Speaker 4: dap dignity and pride, that's where that comes from giving

1493
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 4: up death.

1494
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 5: Okay, you know.

1495
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 4: And even with the tuest Gigit airman like when they

1496
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 4: were telling their story, they never tell the story about

1497
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,719
Speaker 4: how they had a contest after World War Two between

1498
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 4: the Tuskegit airmen and the White Navy aviators, and the

1499
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 4: Tuskee airmen beat them in the first top gun competition.

1500
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 4: And that's where that phrase top gun comes from. The

1501
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 4: brothers won that competition. They took that the air Force

1502
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 4: took that trophy, boxed it up and hit it for

1503
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 4: fifty years and didn't bring it out until after the

1504
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 4: George Floyd things. Okay, I was in the military twenty

1505
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 4: years as served as an officer and didn't learn one

1506
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 4: damn thing about my own history until I had to

1507
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 4: go and find it all out after the fact. And

1508
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,839
Speaker 4: that hurts me that I stand on these brothers shoulders

1509
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 4: from the Buffalo Soldiers to the brothers that's fault in Vietnam,

1510
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 4: and we don't know a darn thing about them, and

1511
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 4: most of us around here a former military and we

1512
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 4: don't know the story.

1513
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 8: We don't know the story.

1514
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 15: Can I brother say over that card, I want you to.

1515
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 15: I want to say this. I thank you for sharing

1516
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 15: that with me. But that another reason why we have

1517
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 15: the color truth. Buffalo Soldiers, thirteen Dimni Parks. We are

1518
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 15: opening a gift shop. We have a small building. They

1519
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 15: look a math right now, but again we're trying to

1520
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 15: raise funds a gift shop as well as an education center.

1521
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 15: When you say they didn't tell us this, they poor

1522
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 15: for they we are they We have to tell our

1523
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 15: own stories because it ain't gonna be the truth anyway

1524
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 15: when it comes from them. You have the knowledge, you

1525
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 15: just shared some more information with the world, and so

1526
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 15: see what you know. Then you shared not only every

1527
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 15: opportunity you get, as you call it in on the

1528
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 15: radio station, put it in a book, make a little book,

1529
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 15: make a little pamphlet. All the military people around you,

1530
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 15: make sure they get it. We have to share the information.

1531
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 15: We have to each one, teach one. And I want

1532
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 15: that book in the Color Troops Park. We're gonna have

1533
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 15: any you know, we're gonna have small items on consignment.

1534
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 15: So if you wrote that book, we'll have that book.

1535
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 12: There.

1536
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 15: They talking about burning all the books, trying to keep

1537
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 15: all the knowledge of month. We got to burn books. Okay,

1538
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 15: we want to pass information on This part is not

1539
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 15: just a park. It's not even that huge. Although we're

1540
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 15: trying to get more ground around us. But before we

1541
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 15: can even buy more land around us, what we're trying

1542
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 15: to do is get the doors open. So when you

1543
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 15: all come right now, you can come and see the park.

1544
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 15: You go on my Facebook page, the Color Troops Buffalo

1545
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 15: Soldier thirteen Amendment Park, the Faithbook page. You will see

1546
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 15: the park exist. You'll see the signs. You can google us.

1547
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:08,759
Speaker 15: We are googlebles. You can google the Color Troops Buffalo Soldiers,

1548
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 15: thirteen Amendment Park. It's a long name, but if you

1549
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 15: just say Color Troops Park or Saint Louis Park.

1550
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 4: We have we.

1551
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 15: We are there, we are landmarks. We're the first, but

1552
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 15: we hopefully we're not going to be the last. Okay,

1553
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 15: but the thing we got some more.

1554
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: Folks want to talk to you. So you started a

1555
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: fire this morning. Oh you don't have to apologize. We

1556
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: need to hear this information. And thank you calling in

1557
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 1: northern Virginia for calling it. Not away from the top.

1558
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: Let's go to Charlotte though, Brother Gregor's checking in this

1559
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 1: online one, Brother Gregory, we thought the coffee right? Yes?

1560
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 15: Uh?

1561
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 11: Gren Rising brother call grend Rising, doctor Wright, thank you

1562
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 11: Grand Rising.

1563
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 19: Yes, ma'am.

1564
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 11: And half the Veterans Day. And as a veteran, I

1565
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 11: can say you're making this day of Veris Veterans Day

1566
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 11: for all veterans in this nation. I was just drimming

1567
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 11: down the road on the way to work, and your

1568
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 11: story is so inspirational I had to pull over and

1569
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 11: call into the showy brother called those I usually call

1570
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 11: on Friday, but just hearing this story of your hard work,

1571
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 11: your dedication to represent the veterans especially those from the

1572
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 11: Civil War. This is outstanding. And my first question, well,

1573
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 11: it's ma'am, my first question. And I know you just

1574
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 11: mentioned Google, and I.

1575
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 4: Would ask the people to google a movie called Glory

1576
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 4: with Denzel Washington, which represents the fifty fourth Massachusetts Troops

1577
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 4: colored troops who fought in the Civil War.

1578
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 11: And I wanted to ask you, have you seen that

1579
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 11: movie and what is.

1580
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 4: Your opinion of that depiction of those troops. And they

1581
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 4: have this one quick follow up after you answer.

1582
01:24:55,640 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 15: That, you know, I did see the movie and it's

1583
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 15: been a while and that was really an eye opening

1584
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 15: for me. I'd like to if it's okay, I'd like

1585
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 15: to let my partner Lancaster answer that question because he's

1586
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 15: the historian and he's I don't claim to be a historian.

1587
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 15: I just when I found out, Like I said, when

1588
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 15: I found when I learned the history, I'm the person

1589
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 15: is I don't say they should do this or they

1590
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 15: should do that. We are vague. So that's why I

1591
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 15: did it, and I'm still learning even more. Lancaster, Johnathan Lancaster,

1592
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 15: can you quickly get some insight on that?

1593
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:42,520
Speaker 9: Good morning everyone, Oh sir, the the fifty fourth Massachusetts

1594
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 9: Regiment was. It came into being because Frederick Douglas convinced

1595
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 9: President Abraham Lincoln to start raising Color Troop units, and

1596
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 9: Lincoln got the Congress to pass a law in eighteen

1597
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 9: sixty two that created the Color Troop regiments, and then

1598
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 9: Sudy Douglas recruited. He did most of the recruitment four

1599
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 9: to fifty fourth out of Boston. There were one hundred

1600
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:22,480
Speaker 9: and seventy five Colored Troop units and different types of infantry, cavalry, artillery,

1601
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 9: supply units, construction units. And so we have one hundred

1602
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 9: and seventy five units comprising two hundred and twenty nine

1603
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 9: thousand Black men and four hundred black women who fought

1604
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 9: in the Civil War under the Color Troops.

1605
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 15: Banner.

1606
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 9: Wow, and I saw glory. I thought glory was a

1607
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,560
Speaker 9: really good depiction overall of the spirit of how the

1608
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 9: Color Troops came into being and how they fought for

1609
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 9: freedom knowing that the only way out was either freedom

1610
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 9: or death. We're even gonna be free, We're gonna die,

1611
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 9: going to going to get our freedom. And it is

1612
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 9: those two hundred and twenty nine thousand who helped free

1613
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 9: four million Africans who were in bondage. That is a

1614
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 9: profound is a profound historical.

1615
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 1: Statement in the interesting time, Brother Gregory, your follow up

1616
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: question real quick?

1617
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 11: Oh yes, thank you, brother, because yes, my follow up

1618
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 11: question for doctor right, doctor right. You mentioned that the

1619
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 11: Trump administration has actually removed some of the plaques of

1620
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 11: the African American soldiers who fought in various wars, you know,

1621
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 11: in Europe, in Asia, all.

1622
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 5: Over the world.

1623
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 11: And as a veteran, I mean I know that those

1624
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 11: brothers and sisters, they made the ultimate sacrifice. When I

1625
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 11: was in the army, I was airborn qualified. They had

1626
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 11: me jumping out of an airplane with a parachute, so

1627
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 11: we put our lives in danger. So my question is

1628
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 11: you think it would be a good idea and if

1629
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 11: it's something you could put together with other veterans, possibly

1630
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:06,799
Speaker 11: a petition to the president to ask him to reverse

1631
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 11: that policy. I mean, these are veterans who gave their

1632
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 11: lives for this country and here we are in twenty

1633
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 11: twenty five and they're talking about removing plaques. Do you

1634
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 11: think we could put together some type of petition of

1635
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 11: yourself veterans from privates to former black generals, send it

1636
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 11: to the president to say you must reverse this policy

1637
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 11: and not desecrate these soldiers who gave the ultimate sacrifice

1638
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 11: for this country.

1639
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: Told your response start to right, because we've got to

1640
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: step aside and check the traffic one more time, real quick,

1641
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: Brother Gregory and Charlotte, thank you for that question.

1642
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 12: A family sores.

1643
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: It's four minutes away from the topay. Doctor Wright will

1644
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 1: respond to brother Gregory's question after we check the traffic

1645
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: and weather or not different cities. We'll do that now.

1646
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with us on

1647
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: this Tuesday morning, Veterans Day twenty twenty five. I guess

1648
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,799
Speaker 1: they start to coffee, right, Doctor right. She's an actress

1649
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,759
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis, has some land there. She's gonna donate

1650
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 1: for our brothers and sisters who work who were in

1651
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 1: the Civil War. Those are called colored soldiers back then,

1652
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: and also the Buffalo soldiers. And so doctor Wright, I

1653
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: let you respond to Gregory's question.

1654
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 15: In short, I'm just gonna say we need to put

1655
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 15: our energy in what we con troll. I doubt if

1656
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,560
Speaker 15: they Trump administration gives a hoot about a ladder or

1657
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 15: petition anything else. Yes, I'm willing to be a part

1658
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 15: of that I have so much that I'm doing that

1659
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 15: I challenge you to start it, mister Gregory, are our

1660
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,560
Speaker 15: started and you lead the leader, because we have so

1661
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 15: many battles that we're fighting. And I think it's more

1662
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 15: of a joke. If we think that he's going to

1663
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 15: it'll be an awareness So we can do that as

1664
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 15: an awareness campaign. But he could care less. The Trump

1665
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 15: administration could care less how we feel about it. If

1666
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 15: millions of people are fighting for him to return the EBT,

1667
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 15: the medical insurance, they kicking senor citizens out of old

1668
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 15: folks homes. I'm getting hundreds of calls of months saying

1669
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 15: people the nursing homes of colony, saying come and get

1670
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 15: your mother, come and get your daddy. And he could

1671
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 15: care less about that. He can care less about all

1672
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 15: these babies. And it's more white folks, let's be clear

1673
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 15: that are receiving food stamps and EBT than it is blacks.

1674
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 15: But if you don't care about that, where the whole

1675
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 15: government will shut down because of that.

1676
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 12: And they could care.

1677
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 15: Less about that. He don't care about anything else. The

1678
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 15: racial profiling, made that back legal, the deporting American citizens.

1679
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,759
Speaker 15: I think he could give a hoop about we're saying,

1680
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 15: put our black heroes, our black historians, our black people

1681
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 15: back and give them the props that they deserve. He

1682
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 15: don't care. We have to step up, each and every

1683
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 15: one of us have to step up and put our

1684
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 15: energy in what we control and our dollars where we

1685
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:50,759
Speaker 15: can trust.

1686
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 12: We have to.

1687
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 15: We cannot expect anybody to do anything for us.

1688
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 1: We know that we got some want to talk to you.

1689
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: Let me before we get out of here. Thomas is

1690
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: on line four. I think he's calling from Maryland. Grand

1691
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: Rising Thomas all with doctor Coffee.

1692
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 5: Wright, Grand Rising, Brother Quacy. I just think that we

1693
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 5: have to.

1694
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 14: Tell all the truth, and I speak Dick Gregory's truth,

1695
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 14: a true historian. When the soldiers was marching, they sang

1696
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 14: the song John Brown is a molding in the grave.

1697
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 14: John Brown was the one who started that Civil War.

1698
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 14: It was sparked by his actions, and he stood up

1699
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 14: against white supremacy and racism. Yes, listen, listen to Dick

1700
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 14: Gregory's Listen to Dick Gregory's perspective on the Buffalo Soldiers,

1701
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 14: and it's nothing good at all. Dick Gregory told us,

1702
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 14: all of us who listened, that the Buffalo Soldiers was

1703
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 14: used to kill off the Indian race, the Native Americans.

1704
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:05,879
Speaker 14: They killed over one million buffalo of the Native American

1705
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 14: food supply, and they starved them out. Now see what

1706
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 14: side of history we want to be on. I understand

1707
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 14: what they did.

1708
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 15: If I answer that, I see where you're going, and

1709
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 15: and what I would like to add to that. The

1710
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 15: Buffalo soldiers. True, they did kill up the Indian race,

1711
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 15: and they thought they were doing the right thing because

1712
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 15: they were led by the by the white men, Okay,

1713
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 15: And so I'm not taking up for them. But again,

1714
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 15: they were the baddest of the color truths, and I

1715
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 15: have to honor that and recognize that. I'm familiar with

1716
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 15: Dick Gregory. I'm really great friends with his brother Ran

1717
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 15: Gregory as well, and I've met Dick Gregory, honored him

1718
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 15: because I put on the biggest June tenth. I'm also

1719
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 15: part of a Junior Teen's coalition where we're the ones

1720
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 15: that parked the Junie tenth to be a federal holiday. Okay,

1721
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 15: and we achieved that well.

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01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 14: But it's no honor in that, sister, It's no honor

1723
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 14: in that when the Native Americans, when the Native Americans

1724
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 14: took in more slaves that was running free, runaway slaves,

1725
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 14: and gave them a safe haven. And then we turned around.

1726
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,839
Speaker 14: We always on the wrong side of justice. We turned

1727
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 14: around and then we killed them off for this white man.

1728
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 15: I can't reverse.

1729
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 14: Ain't no honor in that.

1730
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 15: Them, sir. I'm not ironing them for killing the Indians.

1731
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 15: I can't reverse what they did, but I can recognize

1732
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,560
Speaker 15: that they were the baddest of the color troops, and

1733
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 15: the Color troops came first. Keep that in mind, so

1734
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 15: if they weren't, if they didn't win the Civil War,

1735
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 15: then it wouldn't have been no Buffalo soldiers to go on.

1736
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 15: What you went on and did after that, then that's

1737
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 15: what you did. But they were the baddest of the

1738
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 15: color troops and they helped to win that Civil War,

1739
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 15: and that have to be recognized. As far as John Brown,

1740
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 15: I'm familiar with John Brown, and John Brown was the

1741
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 15: white Waves, started off being racist. But then he changed

1742
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 15: and he turned around and he was hung as well

1743
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 15: as of his songs was hung because they took over

1744
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 15: the armory and they were successful with that, but then

1745
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 15: the government came in and they had way more manpower.

1746
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 15: And this was before the Civil War. Because he wanted

1747
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 15: to tell over those slavery and then he was hung

1748
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 15: in two of his white songs as well. Lancaster, did

1749
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 15: you want to come in on that real quick because

1750
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 15: we're running out of time.

1751
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think he's gone. He left us, but

1752
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: because yeah, we're just flat out of time yet. But doctor,

1753
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: how can folks help you? Because this is a work

1754
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:27,799
Speaker 1: in progress?

1755
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 15: Right, yes, it is a work in progress. But the

1756
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 15: park is open and they can seven six nine six

1757
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 15: zero sixty cold three one four seven six nine six

1758
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 15: zero six seven. They also can go on Facebook. They

1759
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 15: can find me coffee right on Facebook, as well as

1760
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 15: the Colored Troops, Buffalo Soldiers Thirteenth Amendment Park And again, yeah,

1761
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 15: we want to tell both sides all of it, and

1762
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 15: we're telling it all. We're not patting the Buffalo Soldiers

1763
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 15: on the back for being it's led same as York.

1764
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,600
Speaker 15: We can talk about York with Lewis and Clark, and

1765
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 15: he's the one that took them through the entire expositions

1766
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 15: thinking he was doing the right things. But then they

1767
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,719
Speaker 15: turned around and we have a statue downtown with Lewis

1768
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 15: and Clark in a faithful companion and it's not York.

1769
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 15: But it's a dog. They don't miss it anything about

1770
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,560
Speaker 15: York who was a slave that the Indians gave the

1771
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 15: path for them to even get through. The white man

1772
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 15: wouldn't have been able to go up and down the

1773
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 15: Mississippi River and take all the land if it wasn't

1774
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 15: for York doing thinking, he's doing the right things, which

1775
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 15: turned around and he got whipped and ultimately killed and

1776
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 15: separated from his wife and everything by trying to help

1777
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 15: doing the right thing. So we got we got, we

1778
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 15: got the stories. Brother, Thank you for sharing that, because no,

1779
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 15: we're not covering up anything, and I'm so thank you.

1780
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 15: I hope I addressed that, and I would, you know,

1781
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 15: if we had more time, Lancaster Johnson Lancaster could really

1782
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 15: go back in history on them.

1783
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: All right, we'll have to do this again because you know,

1784
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,600
Speaker 1: as some of the callers have mentioned, they've taken that

1785
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: all the tributes to all the things that are black

1786
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: soldiers achieved and did for this country and what they

1787
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: did and how they were treated when they came back

1788
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 1: where We discussed that quite a bit. But those bricks

1789
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: that you're selling, people who are listening can if they

1790
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 1: want to contribute to help you with this project. Can

1791
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: they do that as well?

1792
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 15: Absolutely. They can sponsor a brick with their name personalized

1793
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 15: on it or dedicated to a loved one, a lost

1794
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 15: loved one. They can also sponsor a flag. We have

1795
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:32,600
Speaker 15: five flags, the red, black and green, of course, the

1796
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,600
Speaker 15: American flag, the Buffalo Soldiers had their own flag, the

1797
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 15: Color Troops had their own, and then also the June Team,

1798
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 15: so they can have a plaque with their name on

1799
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 15: the flag. We have table gazebos that they can sponsor

1800
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 15: with a plaque on it. And we also have the

1801
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 15: Ego and the Buffalo which are the ultimate sponsorships. And

1802
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 15: they call three one four seventy six nine six zero

1803
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 15: six seven. If you want to donate a cash apples,

1804
01:36:56,080 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 15: just cash app Coffee rights st L Coffee just like

1805
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 15: the bevery c O F f EE W R I

1806
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 15: G H T S T L. And as a matter

1807
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,679
Speaker 15: of fact, if you want to email me, same email

1808
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 15: coffee right st L at yahoo dot com. You can

1809
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 15: email me personally and if you want to discuss something

1810
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 15: call me. You can call me personally seven sixty nine

1811
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 15: six zero sixty seven. Again, the AERA code is three

1812
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 15: one four All.

1813
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 1: Right, doctor coffee. Right, thank you and thank you what

1814
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: you're doing, especially on this veteran stay too, to honor

1815
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 1: our black veterans. So if we don't do it, who

1816
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,440
Speaker 1: else is going to do it? As we mentioned as illustration,

1817
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 1: it's stripping all the tributes to our black soldiers, taking

1818
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 1: them out of the history books. And that's what you're

1819
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 1: trying to appreciate. So I thank you for doing that

1820
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 1: for us.

1821
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 15: Thank you for allowing me this time. I really appreciate you,

1822
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 15: and thank you to all the listeners. And again this

1823
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 15: is dedicated to all the veterans, all the black veterans,

1824
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 15: male and females, but it's honoring the color Truth and

1825
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 15: the Buffalo Soldiers. So thank you for having me. And

1826
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 15: now please go on our Facebook page because we have

1827
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 15: an event coming up Cure All Cancer, and it's December

1828
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 15: the six.

1829
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, doctor right, thank you for what

1830
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 1: you do as well. Thank you all right, family, Next guest,

1831
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: we've got three brothers with us. At ten minutes half

1832
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 1: the top day, I got doctor Nana laws In Bush.

1833
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 1: He's chair of Pan African Studies at CAW, State of La.

1834
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 1: Doctor Bush, Grand Rising, Welcome to the program.

1835
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 19: Peace, Good morning writing to you, thank you for having

1836
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 19: us on the show.

1837
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 1: And also we have got the doctor Edwards C. Bush,

1838
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 1: the president of Consumes River College. Am I saying that correctly?

1839
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,560
Speaker 16: Yes, because some is River College and Sacramento, California.

1840
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,680
Speaker 5: Grand Rising. Good to be with you this morning, and.

1841
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll go get our doctor. Ami will join us shortly.

1842
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:53,640
Speaker 1: But the program that you're have in you've got a

1843
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: book discussing how to remembering and restoring and rebirthing Black

1844
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 1: boys and men. So doctor Nana Bush, why did the

1845
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 1: guy decide to do this book?

1846
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 19: Well, much of what is done in the academy with

1847
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 19: black people, black studies definitely with research, we would describe

1848
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 19: it as black Santa Claus. And we do some real

1849
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 19: dark black can't take Santa Claus stuff. And what I

1850
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 19: mean is we take our knowledge and we put it

1851
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 19: on a system that is white. We put it on

1852
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 19: a foundation that is white. Even in Pan African studies,

1853
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 19: in African studies courses, we teach something really really black,

1854
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 19: but our whole assessment, our whole engagement of students is

1855
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 19: still on a white structure. And so when we take

1856
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 19: that to research, it's the same thing. And what this

1857
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 19: model does it takes research and put it on an

1858
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 19: African ground and standing, which has not been done before.

1859
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 19: All the research that we pretty much conduct, we use

1860
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 19: their tools, their ways of doing things, their way of

1861
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 19: validating research. And therefore and then we take back and

1862
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:12,639
Speaker 19: rooted in the African principles and epistemiologies and philosophies and approaches.

1863
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 19: And this is why this uh Sankopa research model is

1864
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 19: very important and significant and outa E.

1865
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: Bush. Why do you think this is needed right now

1866
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:23,679
Speaker 1: for young men and boys?

1867
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 16: Oh, it's it's critical because we are living with kind

1868
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:33,639
Speaker 16: of this multi generational sense that black men and boys

1869
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 16: are the problem in the room, that somehow they are deficient,

1870
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 16: and that we are that we are lacking, that our

1871
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 16: behavior is pathological, and so it's important for us to

1872
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 16: view black men and boys through the appropriate lens. There's

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01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 16: oftentimes conversations that say black men and boys are beyond love,

1874
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 16: and so this is important because this book really is

1875
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:59,679
Speaker 16: a love story. Are old to black men? George Washington

1876
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 16: call for our great scientists approach to research, which we

1877
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 16: outline heavily in this book, says something that I think

1878
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:10,719
Speaker 16: is just powerful that really addresses your question directly. He says,

1879
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 16: if you love something long enough, it will reveal its secrets.

1880
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 16: If you love something long enough, it will reveal its secrets.

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01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 16: And we believe that we have inappropriately couched black men

1882
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 16: and black boys because they haven't been loved enough. So

1883
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 16: this books looks added through the story are the lens

1884
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 16: of that if we look at black men and boys,

1885
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 16: if we study them through the appropriate lens, which is

1886
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 16: rooted in our culture, our traditions, and our values, that

1887
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:47,759
Speaker 16: their brilliance will be revealed, that our intellect would be revealed. Ultimately,

1888
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 16: our power will be revealed, and therefore we'll bring about

1889
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 16: healing of black men and boys.

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Speaker 5: So that's all we said.

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01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 16: Remember, black men and boys have been dismembered, so as

1892
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:01,520
Speaker 16: the goal of the researchers, the goal of the educator

1893
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 16: to remember black men and boys and bring them back

1894
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:08,760
Speaker 16: to wholeness so we can operate in our true divinity,

1895
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 16: our true masculinity, calling forth who we are and who

1896
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 16: were called to be.

1897
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:17,360
Speaker 1: You know, I just noticed it's doctor Nanna Bush and

1898
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:19,040
Speaker 1: doctor Edward Bush. You guys related.

1899
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's my much older brother.

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01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 19: That's like by three years. And really is just a

1901
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 19: privilege to have a thought partner, think partner, that's your brother.

1902
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:37,560
Speaker 19: And through that, through that process, we've been able to

1903
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,960
Speaker 19: dig deep with each other and challenge each other. And

1904
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:43,160
Speaker 19: so most people are taking it back to find out

1905
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:43,879
Speaker 19: that there's.

1906
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 18: Two of us.

1907
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,719
Speaker 19: But we enjoy doing this work together.

1908
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 1: Now it's fifteen at the top there. We gotta take

1909
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: a break real soon. But family just join us. I

1910
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 1: guess that doctor Nanna Bush, doctor Edward Bush, that they've

1911
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 1: written a book that comes up with solutions for our

1912
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: black men and young boys as well. The stuff that's

1913
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 1: in this book as I haven't read the book yet,

1914
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: is it taken from what you guys? Your life? You

1915
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 1: know what you grew up living is and where did

1916
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,240
Speaker 1: you grow up? What part of the country.

1917
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 16: Yeah, we grew up in southern California in the city

1918
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 16: called Pomona. Both our parents are from Columbus, Mississippi. I'm

1919
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 16: the youngest of four siblings. I'm the only sibling that

1920
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 16: was actually born in California. So we were born in California,

1921
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 16: but very much raised like we were in Mississippi. So

1922
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 16: of course, like we cannot write a book that's absent

1923
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 16: of that experience. Is really was born out of that

1924
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 16: love being seen and valued within that family structure by

1925
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 16: our parents and our two older sister siblings.

1926
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 5: So of course, like we pull from.

1927
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 16: That experience, but we also pull from our experience in

1928
01:43:55,080 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 16: working with black men now for over thirty five years,

1929
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Speaker 16: or doing rights to passage programs, leading black lead nonprofits

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Speaker 16: with a focus on black men. Of course, us as

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Speaker 16: educators inside and outside of the classroom. It's informed by that,

1932
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Speaker 16: it's informed by our own relationship as well. So yeah,

1933
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Speaker 16: we definitely pull from that upbringing and those experiences.

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Speaker 19: Then we also see this does the vine work divine calling.

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Speaker 19: About fifteen or so years ago, I was training as

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Speaker 19: a traditional priest in Ghana, and I was there for

1937
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Speaker 19: my graduation and I was supposed to have these series

1938
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Speaker 19: of dreams to demonstrate that I was indeed called and

1939
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Speaker 19: ready to graduate. But in the midst of these dreams,

1940
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Speaker 19: there there was another dream. And I was passing a

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Speaker 19: classroom and I looked into this classroom and there was

1942
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Speaker 19: a black boy slumped over in his desk. And I

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Speaker 19: go into the classroom and no one seemed to be

1944
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Speaker 19: paying attention to him. So I drag his body to

1945
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Speaker 19: the front of the room and place him on the desk,

1946
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Speaker 19: and I shake him, I shake him, I shaking. He

1947
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Speaker 19: doesn't wake up, and I shake him and I shaken

1948
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Speaker 19: him some more, and it doesn't wake up. And then

1949
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Speaker 19: I stood it all the way over his body and

1950
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Speaker 19: raised my hand up in the air, and the light

1951
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Speaker 19: of God went into my hand. And when he went

1952
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Speaker 19: into my hand, I reached down into his chest and

1953
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Speaker 19: I revived or rebursed that black boy. Now fast forward

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Speaker 19: to the end of the hold that story right there.

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Speaker 1: We got to set use half a few months, said,

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Speaker 1: wyant't you give it to the climate of that story

1957
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Speaker 1: when we get back eighteen minutes after top their family wet.

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Speaker 1: The Bush brothers, doctor Nanna Bush, doctor Edward Bush have

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Speaker 1: been a book of for a black man and young

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Speaker 1: bad boys. What are your thoughts? You can check in

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Speaker 1: on this conversation at eight hundred and four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take you phone

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Speaker 1: calls next and Grand Rising Family in Facts are rolling

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Speaker 1: with us on this Tuesday morning at Veterans Day twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. Of our guest we have doctor Nanna Bush,

1966
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Speaker 1: doctor Edward Bush, and doctor Ami Gonzalez just joined us.

1967
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Speaker 1: So we're talking about a book for Black boys and

1968
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 1: young men. And I'm not sure who was speaking from

1969
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Speaker 1: when you speak, just mention your name and so we'll

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Speaker 1: know who we are since it is radio. But finish

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01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 1: that story with tell us about that. Yes, I guess

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Speaker 1: it's the dream with the black boy.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, so this is doctor Nan and I lost some

1974
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 19: bush speaking, And so fast forward to this book. You

1975
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 19: finished writing the book and we sent it into the

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Speaker 19: series editor Doctor Cyr mcgogle. He had a few changes

1977
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 19: for center back to which gave us an opportunity to

1978
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 19: add this last part of the book. I went to

1979
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 19: bed that night and had another dream, and it was

1980
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 19: thirty or four young black boys playing on the pray

1981
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Speaker 19: play gound, and then three of them came and stat

1982
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Speaker 19: in my lap, and they turned to me and said,

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Speaker 19: thank you, thank you for your work. So our purpose

1984
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Speaker 19: given to us from God is clear that we have

1985
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:00,839
Speaker 19: come in this lifetime to remember and restore and rebirth

1986
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:04,280
Speaker 19: black boys and men. We have no doubt our work

1987
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 19: here on this earth, and we've gone about doing that work,

1988
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 19: and it can be felt in the lines of this book.

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Speaker 1: And the title of the book.

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Speaker 19: Sankofa research bodle rememory restoring and rebirthing black boys and men.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty three after top as I mentioned, doctor

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Speaker 1: Menzali has joined us as well. Hopeful'm pronounced them correctly,

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Speaker 1: Professor at UNIVERSI thank you, thank you your input into

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Speaker 1: this project.

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Speaker 6: For me, I was helping the coach cifering process. Whenever

1996
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 6: nine it would call, wheneverybrother, they would call, you know,

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Speaker 6: had an idea. I would help, you know, formulate that idea,

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Speaker 6: hash that out as best I could. And then they

1999
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Speaker 6: tasked me with writing this chapter that kind of helps

2000
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:57,760
Speaker 6: conceptualize the book. Chapter four kind of brings the book

2001
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Speaker 6: together and outlines the main points and main emphasis of

2002
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Speaker 6: the text. So that was my task, really trying to

2003
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Speaker 6: synthesize everything and put it in a way that's successible

2004
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Speaker 6: to all the readers. So that's what I was tasked with.

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Speaker 6: I was armed to be about part of the project.

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Speaker 6: I was grateful for, you know, Universal Right Publishing for

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Speaker 6: allowing us to co cipher the text.

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Speaker 5: So that was my input.

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Speaker 1: But you just said, co Seifer, what do you mean

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Speaker 1: by co ratherin co authored a co edited What does

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Speaker 1: that mean, co Seifer.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a that's a great question, and it really

2013
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 6: was our process. It was our methodology about coming together

2014
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 6: and thinking about the text, right, you know, through phone calls,

2015
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 6: through various text messages, just really coming together and bringing

2016
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Speaker 6: our minds together, our intellects together, our conscience together, and

2017
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 6: developing this book as a collective. You know, kind of

2018
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:49,800
Speaker 6: like in the hip hop community where you freestyling and

2019
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 6: you call that a cipher, right, you kind of form

2020
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Speaker 6: yourself in a circle in various MC's take the mic.

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Speaker 6: It was kind of that same premise, in that same

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01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 6: process where we you know, brought our thoughts together, brought

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Speaker 6: our energy together, most developed through that collective process.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five the time dare I fumidly that starts to

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Speaker 1: admit with us, I'm just gonna stay with us first name. Also,

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Speaker 1: we have doctor Edward Bush and Tanana Bush as well,

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Speaker 1: and they've written a book. The title of the book

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Speaker 1: is Sankofer Research Model, Remembering, Restoring and Rebirthing Black Boys

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Speaker 1: and Men. Let me ask you, fellas and when you answer,

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01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 1: just mentioned your name. What age group are we talking

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Speaker 1: about now? When you say young boys and young young

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Speaker 1: black men? What age group is this book for anybody?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, this age group is really really from from from

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01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 16: pre birth to after after death. It covers the lifespan

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Speaker 16: of black men and boys. So whatever age group of

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Speaker 16: Black men and boys you're you're interested into researching and

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Speaker 16: learning about, it is applicable to those particular.

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Speaker 5: UH age groups.

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Speaker 19: But when we we we are really straightforward.

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Speaker 16: That it is a model to be applied to the

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Speaker 16: entire lifespan of black men and black boys.

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Speaker 5: And this is doctor Edwards.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and and uh doctor Anna. In the book you're

2044
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Speaker 1: rite extensively about free Black thoughts, Free Black thoughts, help

2045
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Speaker 1: us think through what that means, free Black thoughts.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, we really take a lot of time to unpack

2047
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Speaker 19: that and really uh give readers exercises to get to

2048
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:36,680
Speaker 19: what we call free Black thoughts. And this is thought that.

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Speaker 5: It's beyond and before you know colonialism.

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01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:42,680
Speaker 19: And you know, one way you can think about it,

2051
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 19: think about those first captured enslaved Africans and if you

2052
01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 19: had a chance to put a mic to them and

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01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 19: interview them and ask them their thoughts and ask what

2054
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 19: they would want. You know, none of them would say, I,

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01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 19: you know, want to come to this country and have

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Speaker 19: the right to vote, or I want to be part

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Speaker 19: of your educational system, or anything like that, but at

2058
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:14,600
Speaker 19: that moment you would have free Black thought not compromised

2059
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Speaker 19: by the conditions of where we are. This is thought

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Speaker 19: that comes from pear African consciousness with feer African countries.

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Speaker 19: In terms of what you would define as success, most

2062
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 19: of our definitions, if not all, definitions of what we

2063
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 19: consider to be success, have been compromised by our conditions

2064
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Speaker 19: and our oppression here and our experiences in the United States.

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Speaker 19: But that's now how I free thinking African people would think,

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Speaker 19: And so that's what we mean. How would free African

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Speaker 19: people think and conceptualize the world and research and what

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Speaker 19: they would want from themselves and particularly black boys and men?

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Speaker 16: Go ahead, yeah, and if I could found on that

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01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 16: powerful notion is off of this idea that much of

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Speaker 16: our identity are thinking, how we move, how we respond

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Speaker 16: has been in reaction to whiteness in white structures. So

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Speaker 16: even when we believe that we're operating from a more

2074
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 16: progressive or radical or pro black stands, usually even in

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01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:27,959
Speaker 16: those situations, we are responding to whiteness. And our identity

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01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 16: has been shaped by fighting against injustice and fighting against

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Speaker 16: racism that we haven't yet on the most part step

2078
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Speaker 16: back to contemplate our identity outside of the right, gays,

2079
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:44,040
Speaker 16: other white lens. And so therefore much of what we

2080
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:48,640
Speaker 16: have theorized in response to whiteness has proven to be

2081
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 16: deficit or what we call plantation, our cage scholarship. It's

2082
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:55,720
Speaker 16: like if you look to study a liion and you

2083
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 16: only study alian based on their behavior in a zoo,

2084
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 16: And that's what our work has been. That's what our

2085
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 16: process has been, is to look at the lion and

2086
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 16: try to explain the lions, if in the zoo, as

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01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:12,680
Speaker 16: opposed in to their natural habitat. So we're trying to

2088
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 16: disrupt our identity, are thinking our language constantly only reflecting

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01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 16: a response to whiteness, and centering our own experience within

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Speaker 16: how we was meant to exist in our divinity, within

2091
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 16: our own nature, and to begin to look at us

2092
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:34,519
Speaker 16: through that particular free black thought.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting because later this week we're going

2094
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:41,920
Speaker 1: to have a clinician and psychologist, doctor Jeremy Fox, and

2095
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:45,200
Speaker 1: his book is entitled Addicted to White the Oppressed in

2096
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,720
Speaker 1: League with the oppressor, shame based alliance, And what you're

2097
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 1: described is exactly that addiction to white folks. You know,

2098
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:54,960
Speaker 1: obliverin We don't know, but we haven't. We're all being

2099
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 1: addicted to it, especially those who've lived in this country,

2100
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 1: even though globally, you know, white supremacy, it's a global phenomena.

2101
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 1: So that's interesting that you fellas with Flesh on a

2102
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:09,880
Speaker 1: different level. But let me ask you the Latimerry this

2103
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I ask all three at thirty minutes,

2104
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:14,560
Speaker 1: half the top out, what do you think of a

2105
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:19,160
Speaker 1: major problems facing young black men, young black boys globally

2106
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 1: and in this country today.

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Speaker 6: Oh, that's a very profound question. I think if I

2108
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:31,599
Speaker 6: just think internationally and locally domestically, right, a true pure

2109
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:34,560
Speaker 6: sense of self, and I could tie that back to

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Speaker 6: that free radical black thought that doctor Donna was talking about. Right,

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Speaker 6: I don't believe by and large, and there's always those exceptions,

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Speaker 6: that our young black boys and our young black men

2113
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Speaker 6: have a true sense of what it means to be black,

2114
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Speaker 6: have a true sense of what it means to be African,

2115
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:53,840
Speaker 6: what it means to be the original people on this planet, right,

2116
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:55,880
Speaker 6: what it means to be the original philosopher versus the

2117
01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:59,640
Speaker 6: original scientists, the original doctors. With that encompasses and with that,

2118
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Speaker 6: with that it teils so part of this project is

2119
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:06,360
Speaker 6: to allow them to remember, not only like to recollect mentally,

2120
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:09,440
Speaker 6: but like put the pieces back together right, to allow

2121
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 6: them to understand their divine right, to allow them to

2122
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 6: understand their divine nature, to allow them to understand their

2123
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 6: divine purpose why they're replaced on this planet. So so,

2124
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:19,920
Speaker 6: by and large, I believe that's what we're lacking as

2125
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 6: a whole. And fortunately, I believe that this book and

2126
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 6: it's offering seeks to fill that gap, you know. And

2127
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Speaker 6: I do want to add and mentioned, while the focus

2128
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 6: is on black boys and men, the theory is the methodologies,

2129
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 6: the research approaches, they're applicable to black folks across the board.

2130
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 6: You know, black women, black girls, all of that could

2131
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 6: benefit from these research models. And truth be told, anybody

2132
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:46,400
Speaker 6: who is in the space with the black boys and

2133
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:50,120
Speaker 6: black men can benefit from this research model. But to

2134
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:53,920
Speaker 6: directly answer your question, right, by and large, we're lacking

2135
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:56,920
Speaker 6: a strong sense of self and again this text fills.

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Speaker 16: That gap, all right, Benson, Yeah, chire men there, Like

2137
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 16: I want to be really direct, you know, we said.

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Speaker 19: What are the problems?

2139
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:08,720
Speaker 16: What are the challenges black men?

2140
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:09,600
Speaker 5: Boys and face?

2141
01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:12,200
Speaker 16: I want to you know, stay true to the theory

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Speaker 16: and kind of building off the analogies that are just made,

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Speaker 16: and we make it in the book around the lion.

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Speaker 16: If the lion was captured, then we asked what is

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01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 16: the problem with the lion, it would be clear. It

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Speaker 16: would be the hunter. The problem would be the zoo.

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01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:30,120
Speaker 16: The problem would be.

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Speaker 19: That they're captured.

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Speaker 16: And so lions or captured would begin to exhibit certain

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01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 16: type of behavior as a result of their capture. Right,

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01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 16: they may not roar as loud, They may appear to

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01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:45,280
Speaker 16: be sleepy and lethargic all the time, and we see

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01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 16: that when we visit a captive lion. Then we begin

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01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 16: to create a theory of why the lion is so lazy,

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01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:53,440
Speaker 16: why the lion.

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Speaker 5: Does in war.

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Speaker 16: Then we try to create all these different reasons why

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01:56:57,160 --> 01:56:59,760
Speaker 16: instead of going back to the source. The problem that

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01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 16: may mature challenge with black men is whiteness, is racism.

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01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:10,080
Speaker 16: And so unless we go back, don't go back to

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Speaker 16: the source. We begin to begin to justify our gift

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01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 16: reason through our victimization that alleviates the responsibility of what

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01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:26,840
Speaker 16: creative what we may call bad or maladaptive behavior are

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01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 16: are our failure. The problem with black men and boys

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Speaker 16: is whiteness and trying to live in systems and structures

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Speaker 16: that was not constructed for us.

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Speaker 1: Wow, we're going deep this morning, twenty six away from

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Speaker 1: the top, Doctor Manna Bush, your thoughts, what's the most

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Speaker 1: important promise in facing black men and young boys today?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I thank you.

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Speaker 19: I want to just echo what brother Maria is saying

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01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:55,200
Speaker 19: that the problem of remembering yes, yes, of course the

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01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:59,280
Speaker 19: current context of where we are racism and oppression. But

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Speaker 19: as he suggests that African people, black men have been

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01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 19: on the planet way before anybody else, and we don't

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01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:11,080
Speaker 19: even know how we are. And yet there has always

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01:58:11,200 --> 01:58:15,880
Speaker 19: been this typical process of life going up and down

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01:58:16,040 --> 01:58:20,240
Speaker 19: and challenges, and so this issue of race and racism

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01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:22,720
Speaker 19: is just a current issue.

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Speaker 18: For right now.

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01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:27,600
Speaker 19: But the process of resurrecting oneself has been the same

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01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:30,879
Speaker 19: since the beginning of time. You have to be remember,

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01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:33,040
Speaker 19: you have to bring yourself back together again, you have

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01:58:33,120 --> 01:58:36,760
Speaker 19: to be restored and then rebirth anew. And so this

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01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:40,440
Speaker 19: formula is good. What we're doing right now is going

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01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 19: to be good a thousand years from now, And it

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01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:48,640
Speaker 19: was good in antiquity remembering one self, restoring one self

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01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 19: and rebirthing one stuff.

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Speaker 1: We are some folks who want to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Fella's twenty six Away from the Top Day always start

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01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:57,080
Speaker 1: with Ray and Baltimore's online three Grand Rising, Ray, you're

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Speaker 1: under that panel.

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Speaker 7: Grand Rising, Peace, Brothers. There's nothing better than hearing brilliant

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01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:10,760
Speaker 7: black men come together with plans. That being said, and

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01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:15,400
Speaker 7: if I miss this part of my apologies, Carl has

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01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:19,160
Speaker 7: had world class guests that I include you all on

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01:59:19,320 --> 01:59:25,440
Speaker 7: this show addressing my dilemma. My question to you all is,

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01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:30,520
Speaker 7: how in the world can we be free in spite

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Speaker 7: of a rich historical and spiritual knowledge of who we

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01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 7: are and where we came from? How can we be

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Speaker 7: free in an economic system that is homicidal by nature?

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01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:47,480
Speaker 7: Genocidal by nature doesn't even work for the people that

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01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 7: invented it, white people, that puts drug addicts and homeless

2204
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:59,240
Speaker 7: and elderly on second base, and one percent of them

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01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:01,560
Speaker 7: a own eighty.

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Speaker 9: Percent of all the wealth.

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Speaker 7: So in spite of a spiritual liberation, how in the

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Speaker 7: world can we who fund, who help fund terrorism around

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Speaker 7: the world's black people through our text dollars? What kind

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Speaker 7: of freedom are we going to have in an economic

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Speaker 7: system that is psychotic, that's request.

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Speaker 1: All right, and hold your response, fellas. We're going to

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Speaker 1: step aside for a few moments. Thanks Ray call Us

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Speaker 1: from Baltimore. As I mentioned, it's twenty three minutes away

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Speaker 1: from the top of the aisle. We got to take

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02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:33,640
Speaker 1: a short but we come back. He's going to ask

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Speaker 1: those questions. We've got some more folks want to speak

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Speaker 1: to our guests, said doctor at Dr Bush. The two

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02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:40,960
Speaker 1: doctor Bushes and doctor and Mary. But they've written a book,

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Speaker 1: interesting book felt. It's from a Black young man and

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02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:48,800
Speaker 1: Black boys Sankofur research model, remembering, restoring and rebirthing Black

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Speaker 1: boys and man. That's the title of the book. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, we got to step aside for a few months.

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Speaker 1: We'll come back then weally address thus is. We'll respond

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02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:57,440
Speaker 1: to race question and take the other calls right here

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: Will do that next and Grand Rising family, thanks for

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Speaker 1: rolling with us on this Tuesday morning, Veterans Day twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five with our guest doctor Nanna Bush, Doctor Edward Bush,

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Speaker 1: and doctor Amary. They've written a book about Sankofe is

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Speaker 1: dedicated for young Black boys and young Black men as well.

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Speaker 1: Before we left, Ray pose the question before they answer that,

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Speaker 1: let me just remind you they've got a note here

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02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:23,200
Speaker 1: from a Tennessee State University. They're working with Mahara Medical

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Speaker 1: College where you could go to TSU for three years

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Speaker 1: and then go on to Mahara and finish to become

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Speaker 1: a medical doctor or a dentist in seven years instead

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Speaker 1: of traditional eight years. Now here's the deal. They have

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Speaker 1: enough females already signed up for this program, but so

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Speaker 1: far no black males. No black males. If you listen

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Speaker 1: to me anywhere from Voye, if you know any black

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02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:44,680
Speaker 1: male who are high school seniors right now, I want

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Speaker 1: to become a medical doctor a dentist. And they have

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Speaker 1: twenty eight on the ACT and a three point five GPA.

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02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:52,960
Speaker 1: There's possibly the possibly the free ride for them at

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Speaker 1: Tennessee State University. Then they go on to Mhara and

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Speaker 1: they just call Kevin at eight hundred four five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seveny six student Black students today because you

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Speaker 1: know at HBCUs now people don't look like us. They've

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Speaker 1: got taking up these spots in these professional schools. So

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Speaker 1: we need more. We need more black doctors and dentists

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Speaker 1: in this country because that's that's we need people to

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02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:16,560
Speaker 1: look like us to take care of us. Anyway, Just

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Speaker 1: call Kevin at eight hundred and four five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six and I'm passive this information around before

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Speaker 1: we go back to the brothers. Also coming up late

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Speaker 1: this morning to speak with attorney and Kichi Taifa get

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Speaker 1: a reparations update. Later this week you can hear from

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Speaker 1: clinician and author doctor jerolmy Fox, an industrial psychologists doctor

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Speaker 1: ed with Nichols. All Right, fellas, who wants to you know,

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Speaker 1: respond to raise question? Especially was how can we be free?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I'll track a raise question. But before I do, if

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Speaker 6: I can, I do want to plug an important thing

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Speaker 6: coming up this week. Matter of fact, this Thursday November thirteenth,

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Speaker 6: at a pm Eastern seventy pm Central time and five

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Speaker 6: pm Specific time, we'll be in conversation, I mean conscious

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Speaker 6: conversations about black boys and men with doctor G. K.

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Speaker 5: Kuwitz.

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Speaker 6: To resture for this event, it is online text the

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Speaker 6: word black v l a ck to seven seven zero

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Speaker 6: three zero nine six six sixty four once again, Thursday

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Speaker 6: November thirteenth, eight pm Eastern time, seven pm Central Time

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Speaker 6: at five pm West Coast time, A Conscious Conversations about

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Speaker 6: Black Boys and Men will be continuing this conversation with

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Speaker 6: doctor chik Akua. To resture for this event via zoom

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Speaker 6: text the word black to seven seven zero three zero

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Speaker 6: nine six six sixty four and to purchase the book

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Speaker 6: remember sant Go for Research Model Remembering Restoring and Rebirthing

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Speaker 6: Black Boys and Men. You could find that book at

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Speaker 6: Universal White Publications to their website is w sorry UWP

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Speaker 6: books dot com or on Amazon or bons and Nobles.

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Speaker 6: And again the book is titled Sankofur Research Model Remembering

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02:03:51,400 --> 02:03:54,280
Speaker 6: Restoring and Rebirthing Black Boys and Men. That can be

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Speaker 6: found at Universal White Publications, uwpbooks dot Com or on

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02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:02,480
Speaker 6: Amazon or Bodies and Nobles. So to get to raise

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Speaker 6: important question like how do we as black folks, you know,

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Speaker 6: liberate ourselves in spite of this hyper capitalistic society that

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Speaker 6: we're in. I think it's twofold and it's too pronged. Like,

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Speaker 6: as someone who believes in the acting in the practice

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Speaker 6: of revolution, I do believe that this capitalition system needs

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Speaker 6: to be upended. Right, But at the same time, there's

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Speaker 6: something that Ray said and he kind of brushed it

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Speaker 6: off right, Let's not diminish the power of spiritual liberation.

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Speaker 6: And I believe once we're able to kind of situate

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Speaker 6: ourselves spiritually and ground ourselves spiritually in who we are

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Speaker 6: as a people, in our spiritual practices and principles, that

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Speaker 6: overdetermined nature of capitalism, of their oppressive systems doesn't have

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Speaker 6: to feel so overdetermined. And I believe it kind of

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Speaker 6: goes back to what doctor now I was saying about

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Speaker 6: this radical free black thought, how do we live a

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Speaker 6: life and have an existence that's not so overdetermined by

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Speaker 6: white systems, by white norms, by white forms of currency.

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Speaker 6: And once that spiritual liberation takes place, it begins to

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Speaker 6: situation rate us in a way that we can start

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Speaker 6: to think about other forms of capital or other forms

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Speaker 6: of financial exchange. Not to say or not to diminish

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Speaker 6: the real practical oppression that we face under these systems,

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Speaker 6: but also at the same time not to overdetermine it,

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Speaker 6: because we don't want to diminish our ability to free ourselves.

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Speaker 6: Because what happens oftentimes is we get into this rut

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Speaker 6: where we think that these systems are so big and

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Speaker 6: cannot be dismantled that we don't see opportunities for freedom

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Speaker 6: to be told. If you look at the state of

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Speaker 6: the world now, especially the Western world, they're doing a

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Speaker 6: pretty good job themselves of dismantling their own system. As

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Speaker 6: a brother said, these systems don't even work for them, right,

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Speaker 6: And I believe as this becomes true, and as you

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Speaker 6: can see this through our political economy right now, people

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Speaker 6: are realizing that this is the case, that this is

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Speaker 6: not sustainable and it's going to offend itself. But I'm

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Speaker 6: all for the active participation in the you know, being

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Speaker 6: very conscious about knocking the system down. But at the

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Speaker 6: same time, there's something that we have internally that does

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Speaker 6: not require arrest to be dependent or reliant on their

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Speaker 6: systems or overdetermined the power of their systems. We can

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Speaker 6: do without it. We can exist without it, and I

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Speaker 6: start with liberating ourselves spiritually.

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Speaker 1: Got youa fourteen away from the top. Some mother folks

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you, fellas Bob's calling us from

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Speaker 1: Buffalo is on line four. Grant Riights and Bobby are

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Speaker 1: on with doctor Nana Bush, Doctor Edward Bush, and doctor Amiry.

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Speaker 12: Yes, sir, I'm enjoying the conversation. My question is how

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Speaker 12: we keep from being used by the system that has

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Speaker 12: captured us and be more liberation minded, so that you

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Speaker 12: can be a soldier but not be captivated by the

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Speaker 12: orders of others.

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Speaker 5: Brother called about how.

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Speaker 20: The soldiers were used to fight against the native people.

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Speaker 20: But I'm not sure I'm making myself clear not how

2341
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Speaker 20: can we be liberation minded in terms of our people

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02:07:04,360 --> 02:07:07,560
Speaker 20: and not be captivated by this system that has encaptured us.

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02:07:07,800 --> 02:07:09,200
Speaker 20: I'm not sure if I'm being clear or not.

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Speaker 19: To us being very clear.

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Speaker 5: So how this plays out?

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Speaker 19: In the book, we say that the schooling system is

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Speaker 19: equal to church and has the same obligation, That schooling

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Speaker 19: is a spirit possession mechanism, that when we go to school,

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Speaker 19: that it is a process of putting a white spirit

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Speaker 19: agent in us, put in their system and their ways

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Speaker 19: in us. That's what schooling is for. Is equal to

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Speaker 19: the church. That from antiquity to very recently nothing all

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02:07:57,040 --> 02:08:01,120
Speaker 19: churches and schools work together, so they have the same obligation.

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Speaker 19: It was a spiritual phenomena, and so to block this

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02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:10,240
Speaker 19: spiritual phenomenon, there's certain things that have to take place,

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02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:16,760
Speaker 19: Like to name something is to give it dominion over it.

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02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:22,440
Speaker 19: And so keeping our African names. To speak somebody else's

2358
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:25,800
Speaker 19: language is to take in their spirit. So to speak

2359
02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:31,120
Speaker 19: African language, where we worship, where we go to churches,

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02:08:31,880 --> 02:08:34,000
Speaker 19: we have to go to churches that are built on

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02:08:34,200 --> 02:08:38,720
Speaker 19: African principles with African deities. If not, that's another space

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02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:42,640
Speaker 19: where their system gets in us. When we eat their food.

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Speaker 19: Food and cooking is a spiritual phenomenon, So to eat

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02:08:47,160 --> 02:08:50,720
Speaker 19: the enemy's food is another place where we get their

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02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:54,760
Speaker 19: system and their spirit within us. So we can fight

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02:08:55,040 --> 02:08:59,400
Speaker 19: actively against the system by just practicing those few things.

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Speaker 19: When we sleep with the enemy, that's another way.

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Speaker 21: It's a spiritual transaction to have been a relationship with

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Speaker 21: somebody else, and so when we sleep with the enemy

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02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:12,440
Speaker 21: and invite that spirit in us as well. So there's

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Speaker 21: some very practical steps to keep their system outside of us.

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Speaker 21: And we lay this out in the text.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ten away from the top of that fellas matter,

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02:09:23,120 --> 02:09:24,520
Speaker 1: how are we going to do that? Especially when it

2375
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:27,280
Speaker 1: comes to religion. Some of us are bought into this

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02:09:27,400 --> 02:09:30,280
Speaker 1: religion and at the end of the region, it's it's

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02:09:30,320 --> 02:09:32,520
Speaker 1: a white God at the end of the religion, and

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02:09:32,640 --> 02:09:34,800
Speaker 1: we believe it because they say that the message was

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02:09:34,840 --> 02:09:37,320
Speaker 1: coming from God and we were so we were more

2380
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Speaker 1: religious than many white folks. You know when it comes

2381
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Speaker 1: to that, you know, well, Christians were the first ones.

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02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:45,120
Speaker 1: We want to celebrate Christmas anyway, and all religions are

2383
02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:47,920
Speaker 1: man made. How are we going to divorce ourselves from

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Speaker 1: from religion to move to spirituality? Anyone can respond to that?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, that is a just a doctor edw I mean,

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02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:05,800
Speaker 16: that's that's a deep, deep question. I mean myself, it

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Speaker 16: is ordained Christian minister I have. I have been ordained,

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02:10:11,440 --> 02:10:14,400
Speaker 16: I have operated in that office, and I know how

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02:10:14,600 --> 02:10:18,600
Speaker 16: deeply black folks are tied to Christianity. I have a

2390
02:10:18,720 --> 02:10:23,280
Speaker 16: sense of how deep black folks are tied to Islam,

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02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:28,520
Speaker 16: and I think sometimes trying to get them to convert,

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02:10:28,680 --> 02:10:33,960
Speaker 16: to change, to adopt a more African center, traditional African

2393
02:10:34,080 --> 02:10:37,960
Speaker 16: spiritual religion is going to be quite difficult because of

2394
02:10:38,160 --> 02:10:41,160
Speaker 16: all of the conditioning that we have been through. But

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02:10:41,200 --> 02:10:43,160
Speaker 16: I think one of the steps is that we can

2396
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:50,080
Speaker 16: highlight the africanity that is this even within their current

2397
02:10:50,160 --> 02:10:54,080
Speaker 16: religious practices of Islam and Christianity, to be able to

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02:10:54,360 --> 02:10:57,960
Speaker 16: make the connection to to scripture and ancient African text,

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02:10:58,360 --> 02:11:00,919
Speaker 16: to look at how we worship and make that connection

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02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:03,960
Speaker 16: to shouting in church, to the ring shout in the

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02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:07,640
Speaker 16: African tradition. So I think there's a way to crosswalk

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02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:11,400
Speaker 16: this for our brothers and sisters that quote unquote are

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02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:14,400
Speaker 16: in church, so they can realize that they actually have

2404
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:19,840
Speaker 16: been practicing some form of African religion and African spirituality already.

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02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:24,880
Speaker 16: The rituals rituals for Black people and African people are essential.

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02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:28,960
Speaker 16: There's not many places we can go and we perform rituals,

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02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:34,040
Speaker 16: but rituals are performed in church. Everything goes Sunday and

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02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:38,560
Speaker 16: sometimes Wednesday and sometimes Tuesday, Thursdays and Fridays. And so

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02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:41,200
Speaker 16: how can we use the power of Black people coming

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02:11:41,240 --> 02:11:45,120
Speaker 16: together even in a church and tap into those rituals

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02:11:45,240 --> 02:11:48,040
Speaker 16: and be able to talk about the significance of those

2412
02:11:48,120 --> 02:11:51,040
Speaker 16: from an African perspective. So I think there's a way

2413
02:11:51,120 --> 02:11:55,280
Speaker 16: to bring folks along see those connections and that would

2414
02:11:55,320 --> 02:12:00,520
Speaker 16: leave them closer to tapping into African spirituality and Africans thought.

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Speaker 1: All right. Eight away from the top of that family,

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02:12:03,960 --> 02:12:06,760
Speaker 1: we have doctor Nana Bush, doctor e Bush, Edward Bush

2417
02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:08,880
Speaker 1: and and doctor Emiir And they've written a book called

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02:12:08,920 --> 02:12:12,640
Speaker 1: Sankofer Research Model. And that's the title and the subtitle

2419
02:12:12,680 --> 02:12:16,320
Speaker 1: and remembering, restoring and rebirthing Black boys and men, any

2420
02:12:16,360 --> 02:12:18,560
Speaker 1: of us joining us from Chapel Hill in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: She's online five Grand Rising and you're on with that panel.

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Speaker 12: Grand Rising.

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Speaker 9: How is everyone.

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02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:28,160
Speaker 5: Great?

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02:12:28,200 --> 02:12:28,920
Speaker 19: How are you doing, sir?

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02:12:29,480 --> 02:12:30,320
Speaker 15: I'm Jorg fine.

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02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:33,040
Speaker 21: We all.

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02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:38,000
Speaker 15: That's good, and you're you're sounding very well and you

2429
02:12:38,360 --> 02:12:40,720
Speaker 15: have a lot of content and you're changing the language

2430
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:43,840
Speaker 15: in a very great way. We know we kept out

2431
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:48,720
Speaker 15: of education for a reason. But individual birth, God gives

2432
02:12:48,760 --> 02:12:54,240
Speaker 15: your own individual identity with you know, genes from parents. Okay,

2433
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:57,600
Speaker 15: there's a history. Other people can't erase that if that's

2434
02:12:57,680 --> 02:13:02,080
Speaker 15: why they're tracing DNA now. And we also have to

2435
02:13:02,160 --> 02:13:05,080
Speaker 15: when we intermarry with other people. We have to be

2436
02:13:05,960 --> 02:13:10,360
Speaker 15: equally yoked. Christ said that, okay, be equally yoked with

2437
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:14,640
Speaker 15: people that understand truth. Okay, And from my understand, the

2438
02:13:14,680 --> 02:13:18,960
Speaker 15: Caucasians don't deal with truth. He deal with fantasy, Disney

2439
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:23,240
Speaker 15: and dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are good, but you know they're not

2440
02:13:23,320 --> 02:13:26,440
Speaker 15: here today. But and then if you were dressing and

2441
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:28,560
Speaker 15: you put on a jacket and someone else has the

2442
02:13:28,600 --> 02:13:31,400
Speaker 15: same jacket, you would notice the creases in the arms

2443
02:13:31,560 --> 02:13:33,960
Speaker 15: was different. You would notice it might smell different. And

2444
02:13:34,040 --> 02:13:36,400
Speaker 15: he said, no, it's my coat. But if you walk

2445
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:38,880
Speaker 15: around in someone else's coat, you're gonna keep it saying

2446
02:13:38,920 --> 02:13:41,080
Speaker 15: there's something wrong with this coat. And that's how I

2447
02:13:41,120 --> 02:13:43,800
Speaker 15: felt about white people's knowledge in school. When I was

2448
02:13:43,880 --> 02:13:46,720
Speaker 15: in public school, I'm like, I don't relate to this,

2449
02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:49,840
Speaker 15: and I didn't hear anything African, and I couldn't relate

2450
02:13:49,880 --> 02:13:52,840
Speaker 15: to Rome, Italy, Greece, France. You know, I couldn't relate.

2451
02:13:52,920 --> 02:13:54,720
Speaker 15: I just turned off. And God blessed me to me

2452
02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:58,160
Speaker 15: that American Indian who was Irish mixed with American Indian

2453
02:13:58,240 --> 02:14:01,240
Speaker 15: and German, and he told me a whole bunch of history.

2454
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:03,720
Speaker 15: So God will give you back. Like you say, you

2455
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:06,160
Speaker 15: put those four birds all over the world and they'll

2456
02:14:06,160 --> 02:14:07,640
Speaker 15: all come back. We're all going to come to the

2457
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:10,200
Speaker 15: right truth, including the white man's the black men. You're

2458
02:14:10,240 --> 02:14:14,120
Speaker 15: doing great, You're doing great. You're holding down God's original

2459
02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:17,480
Speaker 15: covenant with men before Adam and Eve broke it and

2460
02:14:17,600 --> 02:14:21,000
Speaker 15: all of that. You're restoring that and giving women dignity

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02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:24,200
Speaker 15: by allowing your women to go to school. And you

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02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:26,720
Speaker 15: know what, I'm saying you're doing that and you're paying

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02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:30,040
Speaker 15: for it. You paid for the white woman's education, make

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02:14:30,120 --> 02:14:33,120
Speaker 15: her accountable for that. You make the black women accountable

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02:14:33,200 --> 02:14:35,320
Speaker 15: for that. She can't run around here and act like

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02:14:35,400 --> 02:14:37,880
Speaker 15: all she can do is be Kim Kardashian around here

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02:14:38,120 --> 02:14:41,080
Speaker 15: and then say that's God's example. That is not God's example.

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Speaker 8: Okay, very good, very good.

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02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:47,440
Speaker 19: The thing that really sticks out for me, and how

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02:14:47,480 --> 02:14:50,520
Speaker 19: it relates to this book is how you felt in school,

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02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:56,720
Speaker 19: and Memory talked about that schooling is a spirit possession process.

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02:14:57,480 --> 02:14:59,960
Speaker 19: We're saying you and black boys and men in particular

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02:15:00,680 --> 02:15:01,959
Speaker 19: rightfully soul.

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02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:09,080
Speaker 22: Reject this spiritual process. They rejected so they cut up

2475
02:15:09,160 --> 02:15:13,600
Speaker 22: in school, they sagged their pants, they come with tattoos,

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02:15:14,240 --> 02:15:18,080
Speaker 22: they come with quote unquote ghetto names or really African names,

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02:15:18,600 --> 02:15:24,160
Speaker 22: all to reject this spiritual process of being possessed by

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02:15:24,200 --> 02:15:26,760
Speaker 22: another spirit. But then we cold look at these black

2479
02:15:26,840 --> 02:15:28,200
Speaker 22: boys and say what's wrong with them?

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02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:33,600
Speaker 21: No, they're absolutely correct, Just like you. Nobody with free

2481
02:15:33,680 --> 02:15:36,840
Speaker 21: black thoughts should be able to sit in a classroom

2482
02:15:36,920 --> 02:15:40,880
Speaker 21: that is trying to take that spirit. They should absolutely

2483
02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:42,360
Speaker 21: tear up that classroom.

2484
02:15:44,760 --> 02:15:49,120
Speaker 15: Can I say my thing real quick? Yes, emam Wallace

2485
02:15:49,160 --> 02:15:52,080
Speaker 15: Dain Muhammad, Elija Muhammad's son that took over outside of

2486
02:15:52,160 --> 02:15:55,120
Speaker 15: what Minister Farkham was doing. He said, white men were

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02:15:55,440 --> 02:15:58,680
Speaker 15: in caves when we were building civilizations. Why would we

2488
02:15:58,800 --> 02:15:59,160
Speaker 15: go back?

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02:16:03,360 --> 02:16:04,240
Speaker 1: Is Anita still there?

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02:16:05,160 --> 02:16:05,720
Speaker 15: I'm still here.

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02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:08,560
Speaker 1: Go ahead and finish your thought real quickly. We will

2492
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:09,120
Speaker 1: to take a break.

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02:16:09,480 --> 02:16:09,840
Speaker 19: That was it.

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02:16:10,600 --> 02:16:12,840
Speaker 15: I guess he was trying to ask us why would

2495
02:16:12,840 --> 02:16:16,200
Speaker 15: we go backwards? And he also told me about Turkey

2496
02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:18,400
Speaker 15: at the end. About three weeks before he passed, I

2497
02:16:18,480 --> 02:16:20,960
Speaker 15: saw him and he said that I suppose he gonna

2498
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:22,680
Speaker 15: say something about the Middle East, and he said, yeah,

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02:16:23,080 --> 02:16:26,280
Speaker 15: Turkey is gonna have wants to have something to do

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02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:29,280
Speaker 15: with the peace process. Okay of the Middle East. Okay.

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02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:31,680
Speaker 15: So Eric Adams is dealing with the people from Turkey

2502
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:34,080
Speaker 15: and all of a sudden he's kicked out of office.

2503
02:16:34,800 --> 02:16:37,800
Speaker 15: We gotta stop letting them deny us that we understand

2504
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:39,680
Speaker 15: what truth is, and that black men know how to

2505
02:16:39,720 --> 02:16:40,600
Speaker 15: work with other people.

2506
02:16:40,879 --> 02:16:41,640
Speaker 17: White men just.

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02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:45,240
Speaker 15: Destroy things and that's their history and their returning to it.

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02:16:45,320 --> 02:16:46,080
Speaker 15: Hey work for no.

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Speaker 1: Pay right, And I thank you for your thought, and

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02:16:49,800 --> 02:16:51,800
Speaker 1: I'll let the brothers respond when we get back. It's

2511
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:53,680
Speaker 1: three months away from the top of the house, the

2512
02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:55,800
Speaker 1: top of our family. We've got to take a break

2513
02:16:55,800 --> 02:16:58,000
Speaker 1: so our stations can identify themselves down the line. We

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02:16:58,120 --> 02:17:01,119
Speaker 1: come back. We speak with doctor Na Bush, Doctor Edward Bush,

2515
02:17:01,160 --> 02:17:03,600
Speaker 1: and doctor Amery right here eight hundred and four five

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02:17:03,720 --> 02:17:05,560
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight, seveny six. If you have a question

2517
02:17:05,600 --> 02:17:07,680
Speaker 1: from them, and we'll take your questions next and Ryan

2518
02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:10,199
Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning,

2519
02:17:10,280 --> 02:17:14,560
Speaker 1: Veterans Day at twenty twenty five. Of our guests two

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02:17:14,760 --> 02:17:17,560
Speaker 1: three brothers. You know, let me get straight, doctor Nana

2521
02:17:17,600 --> 02:17:20,160
Speaker 1: Bush and doctor Edward Bush and doctor Amry. They've written

2522
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:24,960
Speaker 1: the book titled Sankova Research Model, Remembering, Restoring and Rebirthing

2523
02:17:25,080 --> 02:17:27,760
Speaker 1: Black Boys and Men. I'll let you fellas respond to

2524
02:17:28,040 --> 02:17:31,160
Speaker 1: Sister Anita's question and then tell us why you chose

2525
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:33,199
Speaker 1: the name Sankova of the title of the book.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, thank you, Carl, real quick though. Before I get

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Speaker 6: to that, I just want to re emphasize we are

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Speaker 6: having a free event and that's this Thursday of their

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02:17:41,600 --> 02:17:45,680
Speaker 6: team eight pm Eastern time, seven pms Central time at

2530
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:50,120
Speaker 6: five pm Pacific time. Constant conversations about black boys and

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02:17:50,200 --> 02:17:53,600
Speaker 6: men with doctor Chikakua. To register for this free event,

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02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:56,960
Speaker 6: text the work black to seven seven zero to be

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02:17:57,120 --> 02:18:00,600
Speaker 6: zero nine six six sixty four and to purchase the books.

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02:18:00,600 --> 02:18:04,640
Speaker 6: We can find that at Universal White Publications UWP books

2535
02:18:04,760 --> 02:18:07,760
Speaker 6: dot Com or on Amazon as well as Barnes and

2536
02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:11,640
Speaker 6: Nobles to get to Since the neatest question, I want

2537
02:18:11,640 --> 02:18:15,240
Speaker 6: to kind of reemphasize something doctor namposed in the sense

2538
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:18,560
Speaker 6: of getting out of their schools. And I do want

2539
02:18:18,600 --> 02:18:20,400
Speaker 6: to give credit to the fact that this is like

2540
02:18:20,440 --> 02:18:23,840
Speaker 6: a very nuanced argument that we're making. But keep in mind, right,

2541
02:18:23,959 --> 02:18:27,640
Speaker 6: these are three individuals who have PhDs, so we ascended

2542
02:18:27,720 --> 02:18:30,880
Speaker 6: the heights of their education or their schooling system. But

2543
02:18:31,160 --> 02:18:34,880
Speaker 6: I think it helped kind of bring this notion to crystallization.

2544
02:18:35,440 --> 02:18:39,959
Speaker 6: We think of a distinction or delineation between schooling and education,

2545
02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:44,240
Speaker 6: right and quite literally, as echoed by the words of Anita,

2546
02:18:44,400 --> 02:18:47,280
Speaker 6: how that information that she received in school did not

2547
02:18:47,440 --> 02:18:50,480
Speaker 6: resonate with her spirit. That's part of this process of

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02:18:50,560 --> 02:18:54,000
Speaker 6: schooling which we define, which we understand as like a

2549
02:18:54,120 --> 02:18:58,760
Speaker 6: system that's intended to maintain this white structure, to maintain

2550
02:18:58,879 --> 02:19:01,720
Speaker 6: these white norms, maintaining these white values, to maintain this

2551
02:19:01,840 --> 02:19:05,600
Speaker 6: spirit of eurocentricity in whiteness, right, Whereas education, which is

2552
02:19:05,720 --> 02:19:09,440
Speaker 6: vastly different, is allowed to in design to tap into

2553
02:19:09,480 --> 02:19:12,959
Speaker 6: the spiritual divinity of the learner. It's designed to pass

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02:19:13,080 --> 02:19:16,800
Speaker 6: down the cultural specificities and nuances from one generation to

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02:19:16,879 --> 02:19:17,280
Speaker 6: the next.

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Speaker 18: Right.

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02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:21,440
Speaker 6: So, what we often find when looking at the experiences

2558
02:19:21,480 --> 02:19:23,960
Speaker 6: of black boys and men in their systems of schooling

2559
02:19:24,440 --> 02:19:27,400
Speaker 6: is black boys and men have a deep problem with school.

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02:19:28,640 --> 02:19:31,240
Speaker 6: I myself, who has a PhD, I graduated high school

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02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:33,560
Speaker 6: but at at one point seventies five GPA because I

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02:19:33,760 --> 02:19:38,440
Speaker 6: did not couldn't stand being in school. But I deeply

2563
02:19:38,560 --> 02:19:41,959
Speaker 6: loved education and what we're offering up for us as

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02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:45,320
Speaker 6: a means to deal with the white folks madness is education.

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02:19:45,480 --> 02:19:48,480
Speaker 6: The education that affirms their history, that affirms their culture,

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02:19:48,720 --> 02:19:52,119
Speaker 6: that affirms their spirits, that it stills a African spirit

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Speaker 6: into them. This is how we counter what their offering

2568
02:19:55,680 --> 02:19:57,880
Speaker 6: that has been harmful to us. You know, for me,

2569
02:19:58,120 --> 02:20:00,960
Speaker 6: why I was so drawn to this project. I thought

2570
02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:03,800
Speaker 6: of it as a way to kind of counter all

2571
02:20:03,879 --> 02:20:06,360
Speaker 6: of the harmful practices and experiences that have been done

2572
02:20:06,400 --> 02:20:08,800
Speaker 6: to black boys and men within the confines of their

2573
02:20:08,800 --> 02:20:13,160
Speaker 6: schooling and offer them a modality of education that is liberal,

2574
02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:17,160
Speaker 6: that's liberating in swings and allows for these ideas of

2575
02:20:17,240 --> 02:20:20,000
Speaker 6: black dots that are not tethered to system of oppression.

2576
02:20:21,640 --> 02:20:24,240
Speaker 1: Well, first let me thank you fellas for doing this book.

2577
02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:26,920
Speaker 1: It's needed, it's well needed. You know, there's we have

2578
02:20:27,080 --> 02:20:29,879
Speaker 1: some certain we have, you know, a lot of problems

2579
02:20:29,879 --> 02:20:31,920
Speaker 1: in our committee, especially with black men, and I think

2580
02:20:32,040 --> 02:20:33,880
Speaker 1: we need to fix because the systems seem to be

2581
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:37,080
Speaker 1: on the correct path in many areas that they seem

2582
02:20:37,080 --> 02:20:40,959
Speaker 1: to be doing. You know, you guys are almost an anomaly. Yeah,

2583
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:43,200
Speaker 1: I got PhDs and we're talking about we're trying to

2584
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:46,279
Speaker 1: get students to get to go to uh the Tsu

2585
02:20:46,680 --> 02:20:49,520
Speaker 1: and Maharry on a free ride and they can't find

2586
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:55,320
Speaker 1: any black students, you know, for mental doctors and medical

2587
02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:59,000
Speaker 1: uh doctors as well, and that's an issue, you know.

2588
02:20:59,120 --> 02:21:02,800
Speaker 1: But you guys, you're out of that name shot because

2589
02:21:02,800 --> 02:21:05,040
Speaker 1: she went on and got your PhDs. And we're still

2590
02:21:05,080 --> 02:21:07,760
Speaker 1: looking for more brothers to be more professionally when it

2591
02:21:07,800 --> 02:21:11,360
Speaker 1: comes to colleges because the sisters are there already, and

2592
02:21:11,959 --> 02:21:14,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's a question we can ask the sister and

2593
02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:16,760
Speaker 1: Kishi Tafa when she comes on because she's an attorney.

2594
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:19,680
Speaker 1: She's up next. But I thank you guys for doing that,

2595
02:21:19,720 --> 02:21:21,560
Speaker 1: and thank you for writing the book. But I know

2596
02:21:22,120 --> 02:21:23,720
Speaker 1: you have an event coming up you want to share

2597
02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:25,400
Speaker 1: that with us with doctor chi k A Coua.

2598
02:21:27,879 --> 02:21:31,879
Speaker 6: Yes, thanks Carl. The event again, it's this Thursday, November thirteenth,

2599
02:21:32,440 --> 02:21:35,880
Speaker 6: eight pm Eastern Standard time, seven pm Central Standard time,

2600
02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:38,560
Speaker 6: and then five pm Pacific Standard time. It is a

2601
02:21:38,680 --> 02:21:42,280
Speaker 6: three zoom event. The events titled Conscious Conversations about Black

2602
02:21:42,320 --> 02:21:45,840
Speaker 6: Boys and Men with myself, doctor Edward Bush, doctor Nina

2603
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:48,600
Speaker 6: last and Bush, and doctor chi k At Coua. To

2604
02:21:48,680 --> 02:21:51,400
Speaker 6: register for this three event, text the word black to

2605
02:21:51,480 --> 02:21:54,840
Speaker 6: the phone number seven seven zero three zero nine six

2606
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:59,120
Speaker 6: six sixty four. Once again, this Thursday, November thirteenth a

2607
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:02,800
Speaker 6: pm Eastern, seven pm Central and five pm Pacific time,

2608
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:06,039
Speaker 6: we'll have a Conscious Conversation about Black Boys and Men

2609
02:22:06,120 --> 02:22:09,840
Speaker 6: with doctor Chikkua. To rest here for this free zoom event,

2610
02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:13,480
Speaker 6: text the word black to seven seven zero three zero

2611
02:22:13,640 --> 02:22:16,280
Speaker 6: nine sixty six sixty four and one more time. You

2612
02:22:16,360 --> 02:22:18,959
Speaker 6: purchased the book, you can find it at Universal Right Publications,

2613
02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:23,920
Speaker 6: UWP books dot com, or on Amazon or Bons and Nobles.

2614
02:22:24,840 --> 02:22:27,640
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, doctor Mary Thank you doctor Nanna Bush,

2615
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:29,520
Speaker 1: thank you doctor Edward Bush, and thank you again for

2616
02:22:29,560 --> 02:22:30,320
Speaker 1: writing this book.

2617
02:22:31,480 --> 02:22:31,760
Speaker 6: Thank you.

2618
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:32,920
Speaker 5: Thanks for having us on the show.

2619
02:22:32,959 --> 02:22:33,879
Speaker 19: We appreciate it so much.

2620
02:22:34,440 --> 02:22:36,440
Speaker 1: Hey, and thanks againting up because you guys areut in

2621
02:22:36,480 --> 02:22:38,520
Speaker 1: southern California, so thank you for getting up early in

2622
02:22:38,600 --> 02:22:39,520
Speaker 1: joining us this morning.

2623
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:42,800
Speaker 12: Thank you absolutely, I've read it alrighty.

2624
02:22:42,400 --> 02:22:44,720
Speaker 1: Family, six half of toime. I turn attention that to

2625
02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:49,800
Speaker 1: attorney and Kish Taifi attorney and Cashi tag Efa. Welcome

2626
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:50,600
Speaker 1: back to the program.

2627
02:22:51,720 --> 02:22:52,960
Speaker 15: I was glad to be with you.

2628
02:22:53,160 --> 02:22:54,360
Speaker 23: Cal Nelson. How are you.

2629
02:22:55,440 --> 02:22:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm still learning. I learned so much stuff this morning.

2630
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:04,080
Speaker 1: It's incredible, Like different classes just go rapidly, just you know,

2631
02:23:04,959 --> 02:23:07,320
Speaker 1: left and right learning stuff. But I want to ask

2632
02:23:07,360 --> 02:23:10,280
Speaker 1: you a question because I mentioned to these brothers they're

2633
02:23:10,280 --> 02:23:13,199
Speaker 1: all professionals, they all got PhDs, they're in southern California.

2634
02:23:13,240 --> 02:23:15,320
Speaker 1: They've written a book about black boys, and we talked

2635
02:23:15,360 --> 02:23:19,080
Speaker 1: about this earlier that it seems to be no parody

2636
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:22,680
Speaker 1: or a lack of parody because one of these schools

2637
02:23:22,720 --> 02:23:24,520
Speaker 1: are looking for black professionals.

2638
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:25,160
Speaker 6: Men.

2639
02:23:25,400 --> 02:23:28,199
Speaker 1: They've got enough sisters who were going on to grad school,

2640
02:23:28,320 --> 02:23:30,600
Speaker 1: going on to professional schools. But the men seem to

2641
02:23:30,680 --> 02:23:34,520
Speaker 1: be to be lacking, and we talked about that earlier.

2642
02:23:34,600 --> 02:23:36,360
Speaker 1: A couple of times. We talked about at Howard and

2643
02:23:36,400 --> 02:23:40,240
Speaker 1: there's so many sisters going basically just going to college.

2644
02:23:40,760 --> 02:23:42,280
Speaker 1: Brothers are not going to college. I'm want to get

2645
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:44,160
Speaker 1: your thoughts to that. Is this something you ever thought

2646
02:23:44,160 --> 02:23:46,520
Speaker 1: about as an issue in our community?

2647
02:23:47,480 --> 02:23:50,240
Speaker 23: Well, I guess you could say everything relates back to

2648
02:23:50,280 --> 02:23:55,200
Speaker 23: the enslavement error in post enslavement, Jim call part ti discrimination,

2649
02:23:55,440 --> 02:23:58,440
Speaker 23: And I think it was systemic and it was designed to.

2650
02:23:58,520 --> 02:24:00,520
Speaker 15: Go after black men, to go after.

2651
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:05,320
Speaker 23: Our fathers, our brothers, our uncles and the like. Goes

2652
02:24:05,400 --> 02:24:08,840
Speaker 23: back to the time when it was fatal for a

2653
02:24:08,920 --> 02:24:11,959
Speaker 23: black man to be able to do what any man

2654
02:24:12,200 --> 02:24:15,280
Speaker 23: would do in terms of defending their family, defending their

2655
02:24:15,720 --> 02:24:19,480
Speaker 23: loved ones, standing there watching their wives being raped, their

2656
02:24:19,600 --> 02:24:24,160
Speaker 23: daughters being raped. I mean this was systematically, uh drilled

2657
02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:29,760
Speaker 23: and instilled within us, and it is thought to masculate

2658
02:24:30,120 --> 02:24:32,400
Speaker 23: I guess you could say black men. So I'm not

2659
02:24:32,520 --> 02:24:36,680
Speaker 23: a psychologist, so I can't say just ABC one two three,

2660
02:24:36,840 --> 02:24:40,600
Speaker 23: just how that manifests with respect to issues that are

2661
02:24:40,840 --> 02:24:44,760
Speaker 23: happening today. But that is the whole reason and purpose

2662
02:24:44,920 --> 02:24:49,680
Speaker 23: of repair reparations, the purpose of these studies and commissions

2663
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:53,119
Speaker 23: going on across the country to look at the impact

2664
02:24:53,920 --> 02:24:59,880
Speaker 23: of the enslavement, eraror and post enslavements, degradation and can

2665
02:25:00,080 --> 02:25:03,760
Speaker 23: at the dot and there are dots there connected with

2666
02:25:03,920 --> 02:25:06,440
Speaker 23: exactly what you're saying with respecting black.

2667
02:25:06,280 --> 02:25:08,000
Speaker 15: Men and not just black men.

2668
02:25:08,120 --> 02:25:14,879
Speaker 23: I mean, we all the black family faces devastations from

2669
02:25:14,959 --> 02:25:18,920
Speaker 23: that whole period. So I just say it's all connected,

2670
02:25:19,720 --> 02:25:23,000
Speaker 23: all and we just need to make sure that we're

2671
02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:24,800
Speaker 23: on our ps and qs to be able to connect

2672
02:25:24,840 --> 02:25:25,440
Speaker 23: those stops.

2673
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:29,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thank you for Sharon. You're right, it's all connected.

2674
02:25:29,480 --> 02:25:32,080
Speaker 1: And you know, we'll get some psychologists in here, probably

2675
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:35,959
Speaker 1: doctor Nichols or doctor Fox to flesh that out for us.

2676
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:38,200
Speaker 1: But let's talk about reparations, because that's not what you're

2677
02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:38,480
Speaker 1: here for.

2678
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:42,080
Speaker 23: I know it's all good because absolutely before we even

2679
02:25:42,120 --> 02:25:45,040
Speaker 23: get to that, it's even related to that. Just being

2680
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:49,000
Speaker 23: veterans day. I just want to make a little connection there,

2681
02:25:49,400 --> 02:25:52,440
Speaker 23: you know, if I may, because we don't often think

2682
02:25:52,480 --> 02:25:57,280
Speaker 23: about veterans with respect to our We speak about in

2683
02:25:57,400 --> 02:25:59,400
Speaker 23: terms of the Civil War and the things that your

2684
02:25:59,480 --> 02:26:02,440
Speaker 23: guests are we're talking about But let me just say this,

2685
02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:07,480
Speaker 23: Carl Nelson, the bold successful liberation of Assibership Corps on

2686
02:26:07,600 --> 02:26:11,760
Speaker 23: a modern day underground Bailboa. It touched my soul. It's

2687
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:15,680
Speaker 23: one of the most daring revolutionary actions imaginable, and it

2688
02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:18,480
Speaker 23: wor was veterans. And when I say veterans, I'm not

2689
02:26:18,520 --> 02:26:20,920
Speaker 23: talking about veterans of the United States Army or the

2690
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:23,680
Speaker 23: Marines or the Headport. I'm talking about veterans of the

2691
02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:29,440
Speaker 23: Black Liberation Army that free sister Assada Shakur from unjust imprisonment.

2692
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:32,760
Speaker 23: But when we talk about veterans, we don't necessarily think

2693
02:26:32,840 --> 02:26:37,920
Speaker 23: about modern day folks who were fighting for freedom, for

2694
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:41,720
Speaker 23: Black liberation, New African independence movement in the light, who

2695
02:26:41,959 --> 02:26:46,720
Speaker 23: ripped their lives really for many things that we don't

2696
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:49,520
Speaker 23: even necessarily know about. What we do know about the

2697
02:26:49,560 --> 02:26:54,200
Speaker 23: liberation of Assader Shakur, who was just recently, uh you know,

2698
02:26:54,320 --> 02:26:59,120
Speaker 23: passed on to the to the ancestral realm. So I

2699
02:26:59,320 --> 02:27:02,000
Speaker 23: just want to say many people talking about you know

2700
02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:03,840
Speaker 23: it's outa and say, it's our duty to fight for

2701
02:27:03,879 --> 02:27:05,680
Speaker 23: our freedom, minut it's our duty to when we must

2702
02:27:05,720 --> 02:27:07,920
Speaker 23: love each other and respect each other, we have nothing

2703
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:12,080
Speaker 23: to lose but our change. But we don't necessarily celebrate

2704
02:27:12,160 --> 02:27:15,640
Speaker 23: the resistance of the liberation movement or the warriors, the

2705
02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:19,320
Speaker 23: veterans of the Black Liberation Army that she was a

2706
02:27:19,400 --> 02:27:22,200
Speaker 23: part of that miss everything too for her. I just

2707
02:27:22,320 --> 02:27:25,920
Speaker 23: wanted to, uh, to to put that little tippic in,

2708
02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:29,960
Speaker 23: particularly today as we're honoring veterans, we need to honorate

2709
02:27:30,360 --> 02:27:35,280
Speaker 23: people like doctor Mattulu Shakur, people like our brother sekul Odinga,

2710
02:27:36,120 --> 02:27:41,920
Speaker 23: people like Maryland Buck, you know Bilaudlum So all these

2711
02:27:41,959 --> 02:27:47,280
Speaker 23: are answers now, Geronimo Jijaga, Uh, you know Frad Suniada Kohlei,

2712
02:27:47,720 --> 02:27:50,039
Speaker 23: you know who is still living with us who were

2713
02:27:50,200 --> 02:27:53,760
Speaker 23: victims of the war got the United States government was

2714
02:27:53,840 --> 02:27:56,640
Speaker 23: waging against black people under the guides of the cointelpro

2715
02:27:57,160 --> 02:28:01,840
Speaker 23: there one secret illegal program to disrupt and destroyed communities

2716
02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:04,480
Speaker 23: counter intelligence program. So all that was part of the

2717
02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:08,360
Speaker 23: war that black men and women, black women and also

2718
02:28:08,480 --> 02:28:12,440
Speaker 23: white men black women. You know, revolutionaries took up arms to.

2719
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:15,280
Speaker 15: Fight again.

2720
02:28:15,440 --> 02:28:18,440
Speaker 23: So I just wanted to pick that little bit in

2721
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:22,560
Speaker 23: if we're talking about reparations, because it's even related to reparations,

2722
02:28:22,640 --> 02:28:27,040
Speaker 23: because Carl, most folks don't realize that the nineteen eighty

2723
02:28:27,280 --> 02:28:31,640
Speaker 23: eight Civil Liberties at which granted reparations to Japanese Americans.

2724
02:28:32,040 --> 02:28:35,560
Speaker 23: One of the provisions of that act was a pardon

2725
02:28:35,720 --> 02:28:40,080
Speaker 23: for all those who resisted detention camp internment during World

2726
02:28:40,160 --> 02:28:45,560
Speaker 23: War Too. I eat people who were fighting against depression.

2727
02:28:45,800 --> 02:28:49,039
Speaker 23: I eat you know, political you know prisoners, and people

2728
02:28:49,080 --> 02:28:52,320
Speaker 23: who are fighting were warriors against you know. So I

2729
02:28:52,400 --> 02:28:55,160
Speaker 23: say it all kind of connects, and we need to

2730
02:28:55,280 --> 02:28:57,879
Speaker 23: make those connections whenever and.

2731
02:28:57,879 --> 02:28:58,600
Speaker 15: Wherever we can.

2732
02:29:00,000 --> 02:29:01,720
Speaker 1: You have to tell their family just checking out at

2733
02:29:01,760 --> 02:29:04,160
Speaker 1: tourney and kase tayfez with us. So do you think

2734
02:29:04,200 --> 02:29:07,039
Speaker 1: it's deliberate the why why we don't make those connections?

2735
02:29:07,080 --> 02:29:09,440
Speaker 1: And when we see them like, oh, those are them folks?

2736
02:29:09,480 --> 02:29:12,600
Speaker 1: They're folks, you know that they're not We're not like that.

2737
02:29:13,480 --> 02:29:15,439
Speaker 1: Is that a deliberate move by the oppression?

2738
02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:16,520
Speaker 12: Well?

2739
02:29:16,600 --> 02:29:18,480
Speaker 23: I think part of this is part and part of

2740
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:22,040
Speaker 23: the reason why they don't want us to learn history. Okay,

2741
02:29:22,120 --> 02:29:24,280
Speaker 23: they don't want us to connect the dots between what

2742
02:29:24,520 --> 02:29:26,440
Speaker 23: is happening in the past and what is happening right

2743
02:29:26,480 --> 02:29:28,800
Speaker 23: here right now today. And I'm not even talking about

2744
02:29:28,840 --> 02:29:32,640
Speaker 23: the distant past. You know, they don't want us to

2745
02:29:32,800 --> 02:29:36,920
Speaker 23: know that we are and have been fighting for our

2746
02:29:36,959 --> 02:29:39,800
Speaker 23: liberation as well. They don't want us to know these names.

2747
02:29:39,920 --> 02:29:40,560
Speaker 16: I mean, I.

2748
02:29:42,480 --> 02:29:47,560
Speaker 23: Was arrested in front of the South African Embassy, you know,

2749
02:29:47,640 --> 02:29:50,039
Speaker 23: way back in the day with Dick Gregory and Jesse

2750
02:29:50,200 --> 02:29:53,480
Speaker 23: Jackson and all of them protesting apartheid in South Africa

2751
02:29:53,680 --> 02:29:58,720
Speaker 23: and protesting the further imprisonment of Nelson Mandela. So we

2752
02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:02,120
Speaker 23: knew about Nelson Mandela all over the you know, the

2753
02:30:02,240 --> 02:30:05,119
Speaker 23: news of global you know, et cetera. But we didn't

2754
02:30:05,160 --> 02:30:07,720
Speaker 23: know about our old freedom fighters during the same period

2755
02:30:07,760 --> 02:30:10,240
Speaker 23: of time in this country that we're fighting for our

2756
02:30:10,480 --> 02:30:14,360
Speaker 23: liberation again, people who are part of the Black liberation Army,

2757
02:30:14,400 --> 02:30:18,720
Speaker 23: the black you know underground. And there was deliberate reasons

2758
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:20,840
Speaker 23: why we don't know about these or we only hear

2759
02:30:20,879 --> 02:30:25,400
Speaker 23: about them when people get arrested. And yes, I assisted

2760
02:30:25,480 --> 02:30:29,960
Speaker 23: in the legal representation of some of these people as well.

2761
02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:32,720
Speaker 23: But there is a concerted effort for us not to

2762
02:30:32,920 --> 02:30:38,800
Speaker 23: know about what is going on right here, right now today,

2763
02:30:39,400 --> 02:30:41,880
Speaker 23: not to have us influenced, not to have us know

2764
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:44,560
Speaker 23: that we have a liberation struggle going on right here,

2765
02:30:44,879 --> 02:30:47,600
Speaker 23: that we have a reparation struggle going on right here,

2766
02:30:47,800 --> 02:30:49,120
Speaker 23: just like everywhere else in.

2767
02:30:51,240 --> 02:30:54,520
Speaker 15: You know, in the world. So yeah, I think it's deliberate,

2768
02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:55,039
Speaker 15: and that is.

2769
02:30:55,080 --> 02:30:57,720
Speaker 23: One of the primary reasons why we must fight against

2770
02:30:57,760 --> 02:31:02,760
Speaker 23: these attacks on g EI, diversity atty inclusive, fight back

2771
02:31:02,800 --> 02:31:06,800
Speaker 23: against these attacks on a reporations, fight back on against

2772
02:31:06,840 --> 02:31:12,160
Speaker 23: these attack on you know, taking two history uh, you

2773
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:15,400
Speaker 23: know out of the school. So yeah, it's deliberate, and

2774
02:31:16,040 --> 02:31:18,480
Speaker 23: we need to I mean, I know, vocus bad word,

2775
02:31:18,520 --> 02:31:20,480
Speaker 23: but we need to say votes. I mean, who wants

2776
02:31:20,520 --> 02:31:23,640
Speaker 23: to be sleep? I mean the way they even turn language,

2777
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:28,440
Speaker 23: you know, against us, and we always seem to fall

2778
02:31:28,520 --> 02:31:29,240
Speaker 23: for the okie doke.

2779
02:31:30,400 --> 02:31:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fifteen other topic, it's just stay in caase you

2780
02:31:32,920 --> 02:31:34,400
Speaker 1: he said, Do you think that's that's deliberate?

2781
02:31:34,440 --> 02:31:34,600
Speaker 6: Though?

2782
02:31:34,680 --> 02:31:36,800
Speaker 1: How do we and what do we do with the

2783
02:31:36,879 --> 02:31:40,120
Speaker 1: people who look like us who are fighting for them,

2784
02:31:40,560 --> 02:31:44,520
Speaker 1: who are selling us out. You talked about Cointelpro, those

2785
02:31:44,600 --> 02:31:47,840
Speaker 1: misguided brothers and sisters who are involved in that issue,

2786
02:31:47,879 --> 02:31:50,879
Speaker 1: And today we have this coin tail Pro who's still

2787
02:31:50,920 --> 02:31:53,720
Speaker 1: working today. As we've learned, they're still using it because

2788
02:31:53,720 --> 02:31:56,400
Speaker 1: it was so successful. They just don't give it that name.

2789
02:31:56,480 --> 02:31:59,640
Speaker 1: But they still have people who's selling us out. Who

2790
02:31:59,680 --> 02:32:02,120
Speaker 1: work for the other folks. How do we deal with

2791
02:32:02,200 --> 02:32:04,160
Speaker 1: those folks. I'm looking at the clock here. We got

2792
02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:05,840
Speaker 1: to step aside for a few moments, so we come back.

2793
02:32:05,879 --> 02:32:08,120
Speaker 1: I'll let you respond to that too. Family, you want

2794
02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:10,280
Speaker 1: to join this conversation with our guests. She's an attorney

2795
02:32:10,320 --> 02:32:12,560
Speaker 1: in Washington, DC. Her name is saying ki Chi Taifa.

2796
02:32:12,920 --> 02:32:14,680
Speaker 1: Or you want to talk about reparation, so what we're

2797
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:17,000
Speaker 1: talking about freedom for our people. You can reach us

2798
02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:20,520
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

2799
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:22,880
Speaker 1: six and we'll take all your phone calls next and

2800
02:32:23,000 --> 02:32:25,000
Speaker 1: grind rising. Family, Thanks are staying with us on this

2801
02:32:25,240 --> 02:32:27,800
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, Veterans Day twenty twenty five with our guest

2802
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:30,440
Speaker 1: attorney and ki Chi Taifa. Before we left, we talked

2803
02:32:30,440 --> 02:32:33,160
Speaker 1: about our struggle, you know, and the fact that we

2804
02:32:33,280 --> 02:32:35,879
Speaker 1: still have people involved in the Cointail program, we sell

2805
02:32:35,920 --> 02:32:39,640
Speaker 1: outs agents working against us. And the question is what

2806
02:32:39,720 --> 02:32:41,920
Speaker 1: do we do with them? Do we ignore them? Or

2807
02:32:42,879 --> 02:32:45,880
Speaker 1: somebody tweeting during the brig systay in case we should

2808
02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:47,720
Speaker 1: hand them the necklace. And you know what that means.

2809
02:32:48,200 --> 02:32:49,960
Speaker 15: I know exactly what I know.

2810
02:32:50,200 --> 02:32:52,640
Speaker 1: You know what it means to chuckle and I saw that.

2811
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:54,480
Speaker 1: So how do we deal with them though?

2812
02:32:55,600 --> 02:32:57,560
Speaker 23: Oh well, first of all, we just got to realize

2813
02:32:57,640 --> 02:33:00,920
Speaker 23: that that is a phenomenon, that is that exists, that

2814
02:33:01,080 --> 02:33:04,040
Speaker 23: has existed and will continue to exist. I mean, I

2815
02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:07,680
Speaker 23: just remember back in the enslavement period. You don't know

2816
02:33:07,800 --> 02:33:12,800
Speaker 23: a lot a lot about me, Carl, but I used

2817
02:33:12,840 --> 02:33:16,160
Speaker 23: to do my children's books and stories and all like that,

2818
02:33:16,400 --> 02:33:19,080
Speaker 23: and poems, and I did one of demark DC. And

2819
02:33:19,200 --> 02:33:22,400
Speaker 23: the reason why they had rebellion. That labor insurrection of

2820
02:33:22,480 --> 02:33:26,320
Speaker 23: eighteen twenty two led by the Great emancipateda DeMar VC

2821
02:33:26,520 --> 02:33:30,000
Speaker 23: failed was because of a house lady went and told

2822
02:33:30,080 --> 02:33:32,199
Speaker 23: all of the plans. Even though there were nine thousand

2823
02:33:32,360 --> 02:33:35,880
Speaker 23: black folks united to take over South Carolina.

2824
02:33:35,640 --> 02:33:37,760
Speaker 15: Okay, it was spoiled.

2825
02:33:37,840 --> 02:33:41,280
Speaker 23: So again then in the cointelpoa. You know, those who saw,

2826
02:33:43,400 --> 02:33:45,400
Speaker 23: I'm thought what it was. It called the Judas and

2827
02:33:45,440 --> 02:33:48,600
Speaker 23: the Black Messiah. You know the Hollywood movie about the

2828
02:33:48,840 --> 02:33:54,440
Speaker 23: Fred Hampton assassination. Know again, the person that pinpointed the

2829
02:33:54,600 --> 02:33:57,920
Speaker 23: actual spot where Fred Hampton and was sleeping, and that

2830
02:33:58,120 --> 02:34:02,280
Speaker 23: been December fourth, nineteen sixteen, down in Chicago, was a

2831
02:34:02,360 --> 02:34:06,240
Speaker 23: black person. And you know FBI in in format and

2832
02:34:06,360 --> 02:34:09,600
Speaker 23: so you're right, it did not end. It still continues today.

2833
02:34:09,640 --> 02:34:10,600
Speaker 15: But what do we do about it?

2834
02:34:10,840 --> 02:34:15,080
Speaker 23: We need to recognize that it uh, that it exists,

2835
02:34:15,200 --> 02:34:17,880
Speaker 23: and we need to just be united in all of

2836
02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:19,640
Speaker 23: the ways and with all the people that we can

2837
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:23,240
Speaker 23: in fact be united, uh with so that so so

2838
02:34:23,400 --> 02:34:26,920
Speaker 23: that those who are turncoats do not foil our plans.

2839
02:34:27,000 --> 02:34:29,080
Speaker 23: When we talk about turncoats, I mean, you know, the

2840
02:34:29,480 --> 02:34:31,960
Speaker 23: government shutdown is still going on. We know about the

2841
02:34:32,200 --> 02:34:37,320
Speaker 23: eight damns that buck, the poly, the the party discipline

2842
02:34:38,480 --> 02:34:41,240
Speaker 23: and you know kind of caved in, which I think

2843
02:34:41,360 --> 02:34:42,000
Speaker 23: it's gonna have.

2844
02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:45,480
Speaker 15: A lot of repercussions to.

2845
02:34:45,560 --> 02:34:49,640
Speaker 23: Come, even though in the short term and might we

2846
02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:54,320
Speaker 23: have exact uh tended to unexacerbate certain things in the

2847
02:34:54,400 --> 02:34:59,600
Speaker 23: long term. Uh again, how can we stand united has

2848
02:34:59,720 --> 02:35:04,440
Speaker 23: won and when such grave issues are at stake? I

2849
02:35:04,520 --> 02:35:09,320
Speaker 23: think that that is the challenge. I would say that

2850
02:35:09,600 --> 02:35:10,480
Speaker 23: is for us.

2851
02:35:10,600 --> 02:35:15,880
Speaker 15: But the right spot is, Okay, we are still fighting,

2852
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:18,400
Speaker 15: We are still doing the things.

2853
02:35:18,959 --> 02:35:22,400
Speaker 23: That are necessary to move the movement forward. You know,

2854
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:28,800
Speaker 23: there was the successful election in New York day of

2855
02:35:28,920 --> 02:35:35,000
Speaker 23: Man and who supports the issue of reparations. Actually the

2856
02:35:35,120 --> 02:35:38,680
Speaker 23: only major candidate in UH in.

2857
02:35:39,160 --> 02:35:39,920
Speaker 15: New York who.

2858
02:35:41,400 --> 02:35:46,360
Speaker 23: You know supports it and supported it. But again, all

2859
02:35:46,400 --> 02:35:49,800
Speaker 23: of this is it's information. We you know, a lot

2860
02:35:49,840 --> 02:35:53,119
Speaker 23: of people don't know that New York City used enslaved

2861
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:56,600
Speaker 23: African labor, doing it when it originated as a Dutch

2862
02:35:56,680 --> 02:36:00,560
Speaker 23: settlement in the early sixteen hundreds. Many people don't realize

2863
02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:05,080
Speaker 23: that New York City by the early seventeen have one

2864
02:36:05,120 --> 02:36:09,240
Speaker 23: of the largest slave populations of any city or settlement

2865
02:36:09,320 --> 02:36:14,800
Speaker 23: amongst the colonies, nearly forty percent of households in New

2866
02:36:14,879 --> 02:36:18,039
Speaker 23: York US and slave labor. Many people don't realize the Central.

2867
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:21,560
Speaker 24: Park in New York was also a thriving block community

2868
02:36:22,280 --> 02:36:27,880
Speaker 24: that was bulldozed over. People were scattered all over to

2869
02:36:27,959 --> 02:36:31,480
Speaker 24: be able to build Central Park. So we're talking about

2870
02:36:31,480 --> 02:36:33,480
Speaker 24: in the north, not even in the south. So the

2871
02:36:33,600 --> 02:36:37,720
Speaker 24: fact that New York State and New York City both

2872
02:36:37,879 --> 02:36:43,680
Speaker 24: have reparations commissions and the current mayor of New York

2873
02:36:43,879 --> 02:36:47,520
Speaker 24: City supports is reparations is showing that this issue is

2874
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:50,959
Speaker 24: not going away. The issue of reparation city is accelerating,

2875
02:36:51,440 --> 02:36:54,120
Speaker 24: and if these measures passed, New York will be the

2876
02:36:54,200 --> 02:36:59,000
Speaker 24: first major largest US city to actually look at this

2877
02:36:59,160 --> 02:37:04,600
Speaker 24: issue of rations for enslavement, and it's legacies that continue

2878
02:37:04,640 --> 02:37:07,400
Speaker 24: all the way down through to today in all areas.

2879
02:37:07,440 --> 02:37:10,320
Speaker 24: Whether it's a black white wealth gap, whether it's count disparities,

2880
02:37:10,360 --> 02:37:14,280
Speaker 24: whether there's educational and equities, whether it's you know, cultural

2881
02:37:15,400 --> 02:37:18,440
Speaker 24: deprivations and all like that. All of those are issues.

2882
02:37:18,720 --> 02:37:23,200
Speaker 23: Everything is round up and combined and to repair in

2883
02:37:23,320 --> 02:37:27,240
Speaker 23: amends for that period then and what's going on today now?

2884
02:37:28,360 --> 02:37:30,040
Speaker 1: I got you twenty five out of the top down

2885
02:37:30,120 --> 02:37:32,200
Speaker 1: with the attorney An Kischi Taifa family. You want to

2886
02:37:32,200 --> 02:37:34,520
Speaker 1: speak to eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

2887
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:38,240
Speaker 1: eight seventy six. I'm glad you mentioned Mondamie supports reparations.

2888
02:37:38,280 --> 02:37:40,240
Speaker 1: People don't know that about him. They just want to

2889
02:37:40,280 --> 02:37:44,320
Speaker 1: focus on democratic socialism and they're locked into the last

2890
02:37:44,400 --> 02:37:47,840
Speaker 1: words socialism, which and somehow people have told on socialism

2891
02:37:47,959 --> 02:37:50,880
Speaker 1: is communist and which is not true. But let's go

2892
02:37:51,080 --> 02:37:55,400
Speaker 1: back to reparations though, Attorney Taifa. Some people think that

2893
02:37:56,480 --> 02:37:59,320
Speaker 1: we're not going to get reparations that we don't deserve,

2894
02:37:59,360 --> 02:38:00,840
Speaker 1: and they look like me in you that we're not

2895
02:38:00,920 --> 02:38:03,040
Speaker 1: going to deserve we don't deserve it. I'll give you

2896
02:38:03,080 --> 02:38:05,400
Speaker 1: a name. I'm Sean Williams. It's just back in the day.

2897
02:38:05,600 --> 02:38:08,120
Speaker 1: This is before all of this stuff, you know, with

2898
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:11,640
Speaker 1: the attack on us, just back in the maybe the eighties,

2899
02:38:11,840 --> 02:38:14,480
Speaker 1: and he was on the radio saying that we can

2900
02:38:14,600 --> 02:38:17,440
Speaker 1: we shouldn't get We're not going to get reparations because

2901
02:38:17,680 --> 02:38:21,160
Speaker 1: it would bankrupt their country because not if money in

2902
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:24,200
Speaker 1: the federal treasury to pay us for what they did

2903
02:38:24,320 --> 02:38:26,200
Speaker 1: to us. I want to get your reaction to that.

2904
02:38:27,320 --> 02:38:30,000
Speaker 23: Okay, let me just say this first. No amount of

2905
02:38:30,080 --> 02:38:34,800
Speaker 23: monetary compensation can ever fully compensate for what we have

2906
02:38:34,920 --> 02:38:37,680
Speaker 23: been through as a people. Nothing, no amount. That is

2907
02:38:37,720 --> 02:38:40,000
Speaker 23: why when I talk about reparations, I always talk about

2908
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:43,560
Speaker 23: a negotiator supplement. It is a settlement. I'm a lawyer,

2909
02:38:43,720 --> 02:38:45,920
Speaker 23: just like in the in the in the law, you know,

2910
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:48,800
Speaker 23: two parties come together and then they make a settlement

2911
02:38:48,959 --> 02:38:53,080
Speaker 23: as to what the the vpair you know, is going

2912
02:38:53,160 --> 02:38:53,280
Speaker 23: to be.

2913
02:38:53,400 --> 02:38:55,320
Speaker 15: And that's what we're really talking about, and that's what

2914
02:38:55,400 --> 02:38:56,040
Speaker 15: we're looking at.

2915
02:38:56,440 --> 02:38:59,000
Speaker 23: Many people don't realize, and this is another issue of

2916
02:38:59,080 --> 02:39:03,400
Speaker 23: this thing about history, that reparations is not a fringe issue.

2917
02:39:03,440 --> 02:39:05,560
Speaker 23: It's not something that just dropped from the sky. It's

2918
02:39:05,640 --> 02:39:07,960
Speaker 23: not something that the United States does not know anything

2919
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:10,800
Speaker 23: about through the United States has been very much involved

2920
02:39:10,920 --> 02:39:15,040
Speaker 23: in the issue of reparations for other people's okay, but

2921
02:39:15,280 --> 02:39:15,680
Speaker 23: not for.

2922
02:39:17,680 --> 02:39:18,280
Speaker 15: And not for us.

2923
02:39:18,320 --> 02:39:20,920
Speaker 23: I mean even I was just just the other day,

2924
02:39:21,000 --> 02:39:25,760
Speaker 23: you know, Trump issuing all these companies or media, the

2925
02:39:25,920 --> 02:39:29,840
Speaker 23: affiliations and all like that for billions of dollars because

2926
02:39:29,879 --> 02:39:33,040
Speaker 23: he feels that he was wronged. And I'm fairly you know, whatever,

2927
02:39:33,160 --> 02:39:36,920
Speaker 23: whatever course of granting this, that's a form of preparations.

2928
02:39:36,959 --> 02:39:40,080
Speaker 23: I mean, I'm just saying he cannotnderstand it for himself.

2929
02:39:40,360 --> 02:39:47,160
Speaker 23: He himself called for reparations for the January sixth what insurrectionists, okay, don't.

2930
02:39:46,959 --> 02:39:47,680
Speaker 15: Why not for us?

2931
02:39:47,800 --> 02:39:51,440
Speaker 23: Globally all over the world, Okay, oppressed people are rising

2932
02:39:51,560 --> 02:39:56,520
Speaker 23: up and talking about you know, talking about reparations. But

2933
02:39:56,680 --> 02:39:59,240
Speaker 23: if we don't know that in nineteen eighty eighty Japanese

2934
02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:03,160
Speaker 23: Americans we reparations. If we don't know that the United

2935
02:40:03,160 --> 02:40:08,199
Speaker 23: States was very much involved in assisting with the reparations

2936
02:40:08,280 --> 02:40:13,039
Speaker 23: settlements in uh uh, you know, against Nazi Germany. If

2937
02:40:13,040 --> 02:40:15,920
Speaker 23: we don't know these things, then yes, then we feel

2938
02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:20,040
Speaker 23: that it's not something that we deserve, or it's not

2939
02:40:20,240 --> 02:40:23,440
Speaker 23: something that we are able to obtain or anything along

2940
02:40:23,879 --> 02:40:26,840
Speaker 23: these lines. Carl, I'm not an economists, but I mean

2941
02:40:26,879 --> 02:40:29,320
Speaker 23: you can have the economists one that can really talk

2942
02:40:29,320 --> 02:40:32,400
Speaker 23: about Yeah, no, it's not going to bankrupt the United

2943
02:40:32,480 --> 02:40:36,240
Speaker 23: States trustry. Nothing else is bankruptives Hawaiians when we talk

2944
02:40:36,320 --> 02:40:39,920
Speaker 23: about our amen's and our repair. This to talk about,

2945
02:40:40,200 --> 02:40:43,080
Speaker 23: you know, bankrupting. I mean, there's all articles written about

2946
02:40:43,120 --> 02:40:45,520
Speaker 23: how all that. I'm not an economists, I'm not gonna

2947
02:40:46,040 --> 02:40:49,440
Speaker 23: go into that part. But the advance is no, we

2948
02:40:49,600 --> 02:40:53,720
Speaker 23: are entitled, just like we other group of people are

2949
02:40:53,959 --> 02:40:56,200
Speaker 23: entitled to this, and we must recognize that it's not

2950
02:40:56,360 --> 02:40:57,040
Speaker 23: a handout.

2951
02:40:57,600 --> 02:40:58,720
Speaker 15: Okay, it is.

2952
02:40:59,040 --> 02:41:02,320
Speaker 23: It is it is just, and it is due. And

2953
02:41:03,080 --> 02:41:07,640
Speaker 23: every day it seems like more and more instances of

2954
02:41:07,800 --> 02:41:11,840
Speaker 23: for atrocities from the past and the president are being uncovered.

2955
02:41:11,920 --> 02:41:15,120
Speaker 23: What I call opening up those caskets like made me

2956
02:41:15,240 --> 02:41:17,680
Speaker 23: tell Moby, the mother of em Mitel talking about opened

2957
02:41:17,760 --> 02:41:20,000
Speaker 23: up the casket so that the world can see what

2958
02:41:20,120 --> 02:41:23,120
Speaker 23: America did to his son. We need to continuously open

2959
02:41:23,240 --> 02:41:26,080
Speaker 23: up these caskets all across the country so that we

2960
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:30,360
Speaker 23: know of the full story. Just yesterday, I didn't even

2961
02:41:30,360 --> 02:41:33,560
Speaker 23: realize November tenth, I think the year was eighteen ninety eight.

2962
02:41:34,120 --> 02:41:40,960
Speaker 23: What's the whole devastation in Wilmington, North Carolina when the

2963
02:41:43,720 --> 02:41:47,840
Speaker 23: hotel all black folks, the professional black folk, were ordered

2964
02:41:48,280 --> 02:41:49,760
Speaker 23: to leave behind their home, to.

2965
02:41:49,879 --> 02:41:50,600
Speaker 15: Leave their.

2966
02:41:52,200 --> 02:41:55,240
Speaker 23: You know, their their families and professions, their their businesses,

2967
02:41:55,440 --> 02:41:57,760
Speaker 23: and get the hell out of town or else they

2968
02:41:57,800 --> 02:41:59,000
Speaker 23: would be lynched.

2969
02:41:59,080 --> 02:42:00,240
Speaker 15: I mean, we don't know.

2970
02:42:00,320 --> 02:42:04,000
Speaker 23: About these things, okay, but we need to know. We

2971
02:42:04,160 --> 02:42:08,640
Speaker 23: need to understand the just extent of the harm that

2972
02:42:08,879 --> 02:42:11,720
Speaker 23: was done to us as a people, the harm that

2973
02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:15,560
Speaker 23: actually still goes through our veins as a result of

2974
02:42:16,480 --> 02:42:19,040
Speaker 23: what is a epigenetics. You know, you got to get

2975
02:42:19,080 --> 02:42:21,800
Speaker 23: your health. People want to talk about that, but yeah,

2976
02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:26,240
Speaker 23: we are due, we are owed, and the reparations movement

2977
02:42:26,480 --> 02:42:29,959
Speaker 23: is helping to uncover a lot of these things from

2978
02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:33,440
Speaker 23: you know, all over the country, there are commissions and

2979
02:42:33,560 --> 02:42:36,680
Speaker 23: task forces that are propping up. It's one back there

2980
02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:40,480
Speaker 23: in dreaming about Maryland and Baltimore there and in the

2981
02:42:40,560 --> 02:42:45,680
Speaker 23: state of Maryland. Unfortunately, the governor vetoed the reparations task sports,

2982
02:42:45,760 --> 02:42:49,000
Speaker 23: but we're still moving forward and hopefully that veto will

2983
02:42:49,000 --> 02:42:53,320
Speaker 23: be overturned. So all over the country people are talking

2984
02:42:53,360 --> 02:43:00,680
Speaker 23: about this issue and digging up taskets in their own backyards.

2985
02:43:00,879 --> 02:43:03,840
Speaker 23: I eve state and city backyards got.

2986
02:43:03,760 --> 02:43:06,440
Speaker 1: You thirty minutes. I have a top value mentioned Baltimore money.

2987
02:43:06,480 --> 02:43:10,240
Speaker 1: Mike's checking in from Baltimore is online one grand rising money. Mike,

2988
02:43:10,240 --> 02:43:12,400
Speaker 1: your own attorney and Kichi taifa.

2989
02:43:14,959 --> 02:43:17,680
Speaker 17: Good morning, call, Good morning attorney. How y'all doing this morning?

2990
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Speaker 23: Good morning? How are you?

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Speaker 17: Good morning, ma'am? Good morning. Look. I love your enthusiasm,

2992
02:43:24,640 --> 02:43:28,400
Speaker 17: but I got a couple of questions. First, the Native

2993
02:43:28,440 --> 02:43:34,320
Speaker 17: Americans received somewhat reparations, but every day Saturday and Sunday

2994
02:43:34,400 --> 02:43:38,800
Speaker 17: morning American American TV, it showed what they did to

2995
02:43:38,879 --> 02:43:42,279
Speaker 17: those people over and over. It drilled into our minds,

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02:43:42,320 --> 02:43:46,039
Speaker 17: our psyche, that have we murdered these people? We slaughtered them.

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Speaker 17: Then with the Japanese Americans at that time, they held

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Speaker 17: the US debt, they were like trying to hold then

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Speaker 17: ow debt. So the Japanese used that as a weapon

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02:43:57,560 --> 02:43:59,920
Speaker 17: and they weaponized the Congress and the Senate and then

3001
02:44:00,200 --> 02:44:02,800
Speaker 17: and the presidency, and they told them we're gonna crash

3002
02:44:02,879 --> 02:44:06,320
Speaker 17: your economy, We're gonna call in the bonds. Now, my

3003
02:44:06,440 --> 02:44:10,320
Speaker 17: point is is that we don't show America what they

3004
02:44:10,400 --> 02:44:13,880
Speaker 17: did wrong. She has proctities that existed, and we have

3005
02:44:14,080 --> 02:44:16,760
Speaker 17: failed to weaponize the only true weapon that we have,

3006
02:44:16,920 --> 02:44:20,760
Speaker 17: and that's economics. So if we don't bankrupt this country

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02:44:20,879 --> 02:44:25,560
Speaker 17: either through boycotting and lottery boycott and Thanksgiving a boycott

3008
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:28,840
Speaker 17: and Christmas and shutting this economy down, this economy got

3009
02:44:28,920 --> 02:44:31,360
Speaker 17: started again or it's on the break of starting again.

3010
02:44:31,760 --> 02:44:35,359
Speaker 17: Only because this country is gonna have an economic decline

3011
02:44:35,480 --> 02:44:39,120
Speaker 17: with the shutdown. That's gonna affect Thanksgiving and Christmas, and

3012
02:44:39,200 --> 02:44:42,080
Speaker 17: it affects the corporations that are currently in the red

3013
02:44:42,480 --> 02:44:44,840
Speaker 17: and their only hope of being in the black is

3014
02:44:44,920 --> 02:44:48,920
Speaker 17: to have Thanksgiving and Christmas. So I encourage you for reparations,

3015
02:44:49,000 --> 02:44:52,720
Speaker 17: but how can we economically or what's our real legitimate

3016
02:44:52,840 --> 02:44:55,360
Speaker 17: plans for getting reparations? How are we gonna hold their

3017
02:44:55,400 --> 02:44:57,720
Speaker 17: feet to the fire. How are we going to make

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Speaker 17: them do it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 23: Yet, Mike, I appreciate your your comments and you said,

3021
02:45:12,360 --> 02:45:16,280
Speaker 23: you know, you appreciate a reparations, But I guess my

3022
02:45:16,400 --> 02:45:17,440
Speaker 23: thing is, it's not a butt.

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02:45:17,640 --> 02:45:19,480
Speaker 15: It's all connected.

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02:45:19,800 --> 02:45:23,440
Speaker 23: Okay, Yeah, we're talking about boycotting. There's a lot going

3025
02:45:23,640 --> 02:45:25,680
Speaker 23: one uh with reflected that, But we need to be

3026
02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:28,640
Speaker 23: united as a people in order to really make it

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02:45:28,840 --> 02:45:33,359
Speaker 23: work and make it work whole, you know, our wholesale.

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02:45:33,480 --> 02:45:38,080
Speaker 23: So I welcome you to you know, get more involved

3029
02:45:38,120 --> 02:45:41,160
Speaker 23: in the reparations and movement and bring your enthusiasm and

3030
02:45:41,400 --> 02:45:46,800
Speaker 23: your ideas, uh for how we can make this work

3031
02:45:47,680 --> 02:45:50,200
Speaker 23: to the to this particular movement. So again, thank you

3032
02:45:50,320 --> 02:45:51,680
Speaker 23: for your for your comments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he measure saying we don't have any leverage. But

3034
02:45:54,600 --> 02:45:58,720
Speaker 1: we do have leverage, don't we Because you mentioned that,

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02:45:59,560 --> 02:46:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I guess I want to say boycott,

3036
02:46:02,840 --> 02:46:06,920
Speaker 1: but selected buying around the holidays that could work. You

3037
02:46:07,040 --> 02:46:09,120
Speaker 1: think that would bring do you think that would get

3038
02:46:09,480 --> 02:46:10,040
Speaker 1: their attention?

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02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:14,160
Speaker 23: We have leverage if we work together as one. It

3040
02:46:14,280 --> 02:46:16,720
Speaker 23: can't just be a couple of people out there. What

3041
02:46:16,879 --> 02:46:20,240
Speaker 23: shut down the Montgomery Brooke Busway County nineteen fifty five

3042
02:46:20,720 --> 02:46:24,560
Speaker 23: was that the whole community brought into it and there

3043
02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:29,920
Speaker 23: was an infrastructure set up so that people did not

3044
02:46:30,200 --> 02:46:35,000
Speaker 23: have to buy the buses. There were carpools, there were horses,

3045
02:46:35,080 --> 02:46:37,200
Speaker 23: there were mules, there were buggies, there were you know,

3046
02:46:37,440 --> 02:46:40,000
Speaker 23: all different ways in which people could get to where

3047
02:46:40,040 --> 02:46:43,040
Speaker 23: they needed to go because the community was united.

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02:46:43,200 --> 02:46:45,160
Speaker 24: So, yes, we have leverage.

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02:46:45,240 --> 02:46:46,000
Speaker 4: We have leverage.

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02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:50,480
Speaker 23: We are united enough to put the infrastructure in place

3051
02:46:50,560 --> 02:46:53,480
Speaker 23: so that we can impact so that so that people

3052
02:46:54,600 --> 02:46:58,560
Speaker 23: as a whole, because you know, I don't participant Chris things,

3053
02:46:58,600 --> 02:47:01,680
Speaker 23: you know anyway, but people as a whole can use

3054
02:47:01,720 --> 02:47:05,640
Speaker 23: our economic power as a as a weapon. But it's unity.

3055
02:47:05,800 --> 02:47:10,120
Speaker 23: And what they're trying to do is destroy the unity

3056
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:12,720
Speaker 23: that we have. That's what all these measures are about.

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02:47:12,760 --> 02:47:14,960
Speaker 23: That's what all this information.

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Speaker 15: Uh is about.

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02:47:16,800 --> 02:47:19,440
Speaker 23: That's what the whole Coin Temple was about to against,

3060
02:47:19,800 --> 02:47:23,840
Speaker 23: to disrupt and destroy unity amongst black people.

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02:47:25,000 --> 02:47:27,760
Speaker 1: So how do we counter that, Tony, And how do

3062
02:47:27,840 --> 02:47:28,200
Speaker 1: we do that?

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Speaker 23: Well, you're asking a million dollar question here, my brother.

3064
02:47:33,080 --> 02:47:36,200
Speaker 23: I mean one way it's doing what you're doing right

3065
02:47:36,280 --> 02:47:39,720
Speaker 23: now called brand people on the show to talk about

3066
02:47:39,840 --> 02:47:45,480
Speaker 23: these issues so that people's our minds can be open,

3067
02:47:45,640 --> 02:47:50,320
Speaker 23: so that people know about a trusties and things that

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02:47:50,400 --> 02:47:52,440
Speaker 23: happened in the past and vow that we will not

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02:47:52,600 --> 02:47:54,960
Speaker 23: allow these same things to happen right now, in the

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Speaker 23: present and in the future. I think that that's key.

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02:47:59,160 --> 02:48:01,800
Speaker 23: One of the things your college just said that I

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02:48:02,160 --> 02:48:04,959
Speaker 23: kind of I don't know, I kind of just wrote

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02:48:05,000 --> 02:48:08,520
Speaker 23: down in my notes. He talked about the the Lone Ranger,

3074
02:48:08,600 --> 02:48:13,440
Speaker 23: and when he talked about the the Native peoples and

3075
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:16,400
Speaker 23: that how their stories are being told on the in

3076
02:48:16,480 --> 02:48:19,680
Speaker 23: the media, and all I'm just saying, I just I

3077
02:48:19,800 --> 02:48:22,560
Speaker 23: grew up on Long Ranger in Tanto, and those weren't

3078
02:48:22,560 --> 02:48:24,960
Speaker 23: the stories I wanted to hear about Native people's you know.

3079
02:48:25,400 --> 02:48:34,120
Speaker 23: So even with respect to other oppressed communities, misinformation and

3080
02:48:34,240 --> 02:48:40,040
Speaker 23: disinformation is running rampant. And it's up to us, not

3081
02:48:40,280 --> 02:48:42,199
Speaker 23: just only us, but our.

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02:48:44,520 --> 02:48:45,480
Speaker 19: You know, people who.

3083
02:48:45,879 --> 02:48:51,120
Speaker 23: Uplift culture and documentaries and books and things like that,

3084
02:48:51,400 --> 02:48:55,040
Speaker 23: to make sure that the correct stories are being told.

3085
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Speaker 6: So that.

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02:48:57,200 --> 02:49:00,960
Speaker 23: Again, I think that knowledge of history, now it's a

3087
02:49:01,040 --> 02:49:04,840
Speaker 23: history major in college, it's really the one thing that

3088
02:49:05,200 --> 02:49:07,520
Speaker 23: helps us to move forward, to know that we're not

3089
02:49:07,680 --> 02:49:10,000
Speaker 23: just starting where we are today. We come from a

3090
02:49:10,080 --> 02:49:12,520
Speaker 23: great and mighty people. We suffered a huge my offer

3091
02:49:12,959 --> 02:49:15,840
Speaker 23: you capast your feet, oppressing, you know, whatever you might want,

3092
02:49:15,840 --> 02:49:18,480
Speaker 23: a holocaust, genocide, whatever you might want to call it.

3093
02:49:19,000 --> 02:49:23,000
Speaker 23: But we are still here, surviving and surviving, and that

3094
02:49:24,360 --> 02:49:27,240
Speaker 23: there must be amends for the past.

3095
02:49:28,240 --> 02:49:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're still here. We're special people, as Dr Anderson

3096
02:49:31,200 --> 02:49:33,360
Speaker 1: always tells us, we're special people. What we went through

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02:49:33,400 --> 02:49:36,640
Speaker 1: and we're still here. Family, step aside for a few

3098
02:49:36,640 --> 02:49:38,520
Speaker 1: moments and twenty three minutes away from the top they are,

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02:49:38,560 --> 02:49:40,880
Speaker 1: I guess his attorney in Kichi, Taifa. You'd like to

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02:49:40,879 --> 02:49:42,680
Speaker 1: speak to and reach out to us at eight hundred

3101
02:49:42,760 --> 02:49:45,600
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixth we'll take

3102
02:49:45,640 --> 02:49:48,480
Speaker 1: you phone calls. Next remind family. Coming up later this week,

3103
02:49:48,480 --> 02:49:51,360
Speaker 1: you're going to hear from author and the clinician doctor

3104
02:49:51,480 --> 02:49:53,680
Speaker 1: Jerrold me foxing On for his best selling work book

3105
02:49:53,680 --> 02:49:55,920
Speaker 1: Addicted to White They Oppressed in League with the Oppress,

3106
02:49:55,959 --> 02:49:59,000
Speaker 1: a shame based the lines. Also, industrial psychologist doctor Edwin

3107
02:49:59,120 --> 02:50:01,240
Speaker 1: Nichols will be here, so if you are in Baltimore,

3108
02:50:01,240 --> 02:50:03,200
Speaker 1: make sure you keep your radiar lock team tight on

3109
02:50:03,360 --> 02:50:05,600
Speaker 1: ten ten WLB or if you're in the DMV or

3110
02:50:05,680 --> 02:50:09,080
Speaker 1: on fourteen fifteen w L. Since the end Ketcher, the

3111
02:50:09,240 --> 02:50:12,120
Speaker 1: question of reparations comes up and always what is it

3112
02:50:12,280 --> 02:50:14,760
Speaker 1: we want? And it seems like, you know, we have

3113
02:50:15,000 --> 02:50:18,000
Speaker 1: everybody's got different thought process about what they want or

3114
02:50:18,040 --> 02:50:20,680
Speaker 1: what should well, what do we deserve? Some to say money,

3115
02:50:20,760 --> 02:50:24,200
Speaker 1: some say free college or free taxes, or if we've

3116
02:50:24,240 --> 02:50:29,600
Speaker 1: reached a consensus on yet or partial consensus and what

3117
02:50:29,720 --> 02:50:33,439
Speaker 1: we want or what we deserve for for our reparations.

3118
02:50:34,480 --> 02:50:36,760
Speaker 23: So let me just say this, Carl. I always say

3119
02:50:36,800 --> 02:50:39,400
Speaker 23: that the harms from the enslavement era and beyond were

3120
02:50:39,560 --> 02:50:44,039
Speaker 23: multi faceted. Thus the remedies must be multi faceted as well,

3121
02:50:44,120 --> 02:50:47,840
Speaker 23: and that a reparation settlement can't come in as many

3122
02:50:48,000 --> 02:50:54,680
Speaker 23: forms as necessary to equitably address the the bluminous harms

3123
02:50:54,760 --> 02:50:57,160
Speaker 23: have been visited, you know upon us. That is one

3124
02:50:57,200 --> 02:51:00,680
Speaker 23: of the reasons why commissions and CASPU is across the

3125
02:51:00,800 --> 02:51:04,000
Speaker 23: country and very puristicians are being set up. The town

3126
02:51:04,120 --> 02:51:09,800
Speaker 23: hall team get listening testimonies from residence as to what

3127
02:51:10,040 --> 02:51:13,360
Speaker 23: they want, what we said to reparations. I always feel

3128
02:51:13,440 --> 02:51:17,400
Speaker 23: that financial compensation is absolutely a critical part of a

3129
02:51:17,520 --> 02:51:19,840
Speaker 23: reparations packets of reparation settlement.

3130
02:51:20,000 --> 02:51:27,920
Speaker 1: Some other people feel, hopefully we haven't lost attorney in

3131
02:51:28,040 --> 02:51:31,840
Speaker 1: case you taife, so like a line drop there Kevin,

3132
02:51:33,879 --> 02:51:39,800
Speaker 1: seventeen minutes away from the top. They our family. Okay,

3133
02:51:40,040 --> 02:51:42,000
Speaker 1: this is going to check us if we were lost

3134
02:51:42,040 --> 02:51:45,680
Speaker 1: it in Kisha Taifa, she's an attorney Washington, d C.

3135
02:51:46,120 --> 02:51:49,640
Speaker 1: Civil rights activist, the reparations activists that she's been out

3136
02:51:49,640 --> 02:51:52,880
Speaker 1: there on the battlefield for many years fighting for our folks.

3137
02:51:53,280 --> 02:51:55,200
Speaker 1: And one of the issues now she was what she's

3138
02:51:55,480 --> 02:51:59,160
Speaker 1: champion in is reparations. And most of you listened to

3139
02:51:59,200 --> 02:52:02,080
Speaker 1: this program probably probably are honder the same, you know,

3140
02:52:02,280 --> 02:52:05,800
Speaker 1: idea that we deserve reparations. And because of the mood

3141
02:52:05,879 --> 02:52:07,800
Speaker 1: in the country now, this is why people think that,

3142
02:52:08,280 --> 02:52:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, we're not going to get reparation. I think

3143
02:52:10,840 --> 02:52:12,800
Speaker 1: we're going to get reparations. I don't know how went

3144
02:52:12,840 --> 02:52:15,240
Speaker 1: and when, but I'm still optimistic that we're going to

3145
02:52:15,280 --> 02:52:19,240
Speaker 1: get reparations. So, you know, hopefully we can get hook

3146
02:52:19,320 --> 02:52:21,840
Speaker 1: up back with it turning and Kichi taif and she

3147
02:52:21,959 --> 02:52:23,800
Speaker 1: can tell us more about this because she's been in

3148
02:52:23,840 --> 02:52:27,280
Speaker 1: the forefront of this fight for reparations. And you know,

3149
02:52:27,480 --> 02:52:29,440
Speaker 1: one of the things that the question where she was,

3150
02:52:29,760 --> 02:52:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, she was attempted to respond to was the

3151
02:52:31,640 --> 02:52:36,160
Speaker 1: fact that in what form of reparations should we get

3152
02:52:36,400 --> 02:52:39,200
Speaker 1: some people, you know, people you speak to, you know,

3153
02:52:39,280 --> 02:52:41,560
Speaker 1: ten people to give you ten different versions. She said,

3154
02:52:41,600 --> 02:52:44,080
Speaker 1: of course, the money is part of it. She's gone.

3155
02:52:44,240 --> 02:52:46,800
Speaker 1: She's attempted to break down with the other aspects of

3156
02:52:46,920 --> 02:52:49,480
Speaker 1: what reparations should be because some people think about free

3157
02:52:49,600 --> 02:52:54,120
Speaker 1: educations the tax breaks, and and they're all assortment of

3158
02:52:54,160 --> 02:52:56,760
Speaker 1: different reasons why we should get a reparation. How it

3159
02:52:56,800 --> 02:52:59,600
Speaker 1: can be manifested just doesn't have to be in dollars alone.

3160
02:52:59,640 --> 02:53:03,560
Speaker 1: Some people just straight out right to check. So it's

3161
02:53:03,600 --> 02:53:06,920
Speaker 1: just as you're about to tell us the different ways

3162
02:53:06,959 --> 02:53:09,000
Speaker 1: of different aspects of reparations.

3163
02:53:10,400 --> 02:53:15,439
Speaker 23: Yes, yes, yes, I mean it could come in the scholarships,

3164
02:53:15,480 --> 02:53:17,840
Speaker 23: it could come in terms of housing, it could come

3165
02:53:17,920 --> 02:53:23,760
Speaker 23: in terms of cultural things and museums, it could come

3166
02:53:23,800 --> 02:53:29,840
Speaker 23: in the context of just anything that can help repair

3167
02:53:30,640 --> 02:53:31,120
Speaker 23: the harm.

3168
02:53:31,400 --> 02:53:35,080
Speaker 15: I mean, it's it's it's this. This is one of

3169
02:53:35,160 --> 02:53:37,039
Speaker 15: the things that it's being.

3170
02:53:37,120 --> 02:53:41,480
Speaker 23: Talked about, discussed and debated all across the country right now.

3171
02:53:41,600 --> 02:53:49,480
Speaker 23: So there's not just one measure of repair, okay, It's multifaceted, okay.

3172
02:53:49,600 --> 02:53:52,440
Speaker 23: And that's why it's important for jurisdictions to look at

3173
02:53:52,480 --> 02:53:55,840
Speaker 23: what the specific harms and those specific communities are. And

3174
02:53:55,879 --> 02:53:57,960
Speaker 23: I'm talking about on the state and local level, but

3175
02:53:58,080 --> 02:54:01,520
Speaker 23: when we talk about the federal level, that's much more

3176
02:54:01,600 --> 02:54:05,040
Speaker 23: comprehensive because again that's where the big bucks are, you know.

3177
02:54:05,440 --> 02:54:08,160
Speaker 23: But it's not just about a check. You know, Back

3178
02:54:08,200 --> 02:54:11,600
Speaker 23: when I first started talking about reparations. Back in the seventies,

3179
02:54:11,720 --> 02:54:14,040
Speaker 23: that's basically what we were talking about in chat. But

3180
02:54:14,160 --> 02:54:17,039
Speaker 23: now we've come to realize that it's far far more

3181
02:54:18,080 --> 02:54:22,080
Speaker 23: comprehensive than a check. It's here today and gone tomorrow. Okay,

3182
02:54:22,480 --> 02:54:27,119
Speaker 23: we're also talking about repairing communities, you know, repairing ourselves,

3183
02:54:27,200 --> 02:54:29,920
Speaker 23: and that takes much more than money. But again I'm

3184
02:54:29,959 --> 02:54:36,439
Speaker 23: saying I'm not discounting. You know, as a lawyer, there's damages.

3185
02:54:36,640 --> 02:54:39,880
Speaker 23: Damages is financial, you know, compensation, but that is not

3186
02:54:40,040 --> 02:54:44,440
Speaker 23: the only indicator of what a reparation settlement can it

3187
02:54:44,520 --> 02:54:48,840
Speaker 23: should look like books, you know, that's part of you know,

3188
02:54:49,040 --> 02:54:53,519
Speaker 23: the the repair in terms of institutions.

3189
02:54:53,600 --> 02:54:54,600
Speaker 11: And it's not just.

3190
02:54:56,920 --> 02:55:00,000
Speaker 23: City and state governments, in the federal government, the academic institute,

3191
02:55:00,360 --> 02:55:04,440
Speaker 23: the religious institutions, and corporations, the industries at private, the states.

3192
02:55:04,480 --> 02:55:10,720
Speaker 23: There's so so many culpable parties, uh, that need to

3193
02:55:10,800 --> 02:55:16,400
Speaker 23: be part of this reparations discussion, uh, conversation and.

3194
02:55:19,360 --> 02:55:19,680
Speaker 15: Repair.

3195
02:55:19,720 --> 02:55:27,480
Speaker 1: Your Mike is trying to reach you at thirteen minutes

3196
02:55:27,480 --> 02:55:30,000
Speaker 1: away from the top of the hour, grand Rise and Mike,

3197
02:55:30,040 --> 02:55:31,360
Speaker 1: you're on with attorney and you.

3198
02:55:33,560 --> 02:55:37,400
Speaker 18: Uh uh, good morning, Grandmas and mister Carling Nelson, Honorable Kevin,

3199
02:55:37,480 --> 02:55:40,600
Speaker 18: and your guests. Your guest hits on a lot of points,

3200
02:55:40,680 --> 02:55:44,400
Speaker 18: and it's so difficult, and it's so oh so universal.

3201
02:55:44,520 --> 02:55:46,959
Speaker 18: It's just it's just absolutely nuts. First of us, say

3202
02:55:47,000 --> 02:55:49,800
Speaker 18: Happy Veterans Day to all the listeners and and to

3203
02:55:49,879 --> 02:55:52,160
Speaker 18: mister Kevin. And probably if you, mister call even your

3204
02:55:52,200 --> 02:55:54,720
Speaker 18: speaker Happy Veterans Day. You make a good point about

3205
02:55:54,720 --> 02:55:57,280
Speaker 18: the veterans. I said that a text bunch to all

3206
02:55:57,360 --> 02:55:59,840
Speaker 18: my brothers that was missing in the Navy, and uh,

3207
02:56:00,160 --> 02:56:02,200
Speaker 18: I would say happy veterans. They're not just to them

3208
02:56:02,280 --> 02:56:04,720
Speaker 18: for all the men and women, but just go speak

3209
02:56:04,760 --> 02:56:07,160
Speaker 18: of some things. Also said in my text message to

3210
02:56:07,280 --> 02:56:10,720
Speaker 18: all our ancestors, they were veterans too, just like you said,

3211
02:56:11,320 --> 02:56:13,760
Speaker 18: you know all abouts from the Civil rights era to

3212
02:56:13,879 --> 02:56:16,320
Speaker 18: the Civil War that paved the way for us. You know,

3213
02:56:16,440 --> 02:56:18,480
Speaker 18: we wouldn't be I wouldn't be a rich man now

3214
02:56:18,640 --> 02:56:20,680
Speaker 18: have the opportunities and stuff like that, and it was

3215
02:56:20,800 --> 02:56:24,440
Speaker 18: not for them, the sacrifices they made and the beatings

3216
02:56:24,480 --> 02:56:26,640
Speaker 18: they're hanging, and the killings and stuff like that. So

3217
02:56:27,120 --> 02:56:31,080
Speaker 18: they are definitely veterans in my heart. And the people,

3218
02:56:31,200 --> 02:56:33,800
Speaker 18: you know, all the segregation units that were in the

3219
02:56:33,879 --> 02:56:36,800
Speaker 18: military and stuff like that, you know, and they paid

3220
02:56:36,800 --> 02:56:39,480
Speaker 18: the way the Buffalo soldiers and just the people fighting

3221
02:56:39,560 --> 02:56:42,440
Speaker 18: hit learn Germany and stuff like that. That was black men.

3222
02:56:42,520 --> 02:56:45,600
Speaker 18: You talk about things earlier about black men. But I've

3223
02:56:45,640 --> 02:56:48,600
Speaker 18: been on this reparations thing for a long time and

3224
02:56:49,800 --> 02:56:51,520
Speaker 18: they're not just the United States. We have a lot

3225
02:56:51,560 --> 02:56:56,680
Speaker 18: of countries that are involved. Man, you're talking about like Portugal, Spain, England, France.

3226
02:56:57,320 --> 02:57:00,000
Speaker 18: You know, it's a lot of people, a lot of country.

3227
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:02,200
Speaker 18: Excuse me. We just got to find a way to

3228
02:57:02,320 --> 02:57:04,240
Speaker 18: get all these people to divvy up and do what

3229
02:57:04,320 --> 02:57:07,640
Speaker 18: they're supposed to do. And I said, what form is

3230
02:57:07,680 --> 02:57:09,920
Speaker 18: it gonna come in. It's gonna come through free education,

3231
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:11,960
Speaker 18: as mister Nelson said, or one of the other gets said.

3232
02:57:12,400 --> 02:57:15,320
Speaker 18: Is it gonna come through uh this monetary or is

3233
02:57:15,360 --> 02:57:19,879
Speaker 18: it gonna come through housing, free housing, land or something

3234
02:57:20,000 --> 02:57:22,600
Speaker 18: like that. And the last thing I wanted to say

3235
02:57:22,760 --> 02:57:25,720
Speaker 18: was that the reparation thing, you know, how are we

3236
02:57:25,760 --> 02:57:27,800
Speaker 18: gonna do that? It's not it's not This should not

3237
02:57:28,360 --> 02:57:31,080
Speaker 18: involve the New Africans that have been here the last

3238
02:57:31,120 --> 02:57:34,560
Speaker 18: fifty sixty years, because they're not really true a part

3239
02:57:34,760 --> 02:57:37,320
Speaker 18: of us and have nothing to do with that because

3240
02:57:37,320 --> 02:57:39,480
Speaker 18: they were not here about ancestors and stuff like that.

3241
02:57:39,760 --> 02:57:42,440
Speaker 18: So we just take your response off the earth. Thank you,

3242
02:57:42,520 --> 02:57:43,480
Speaker 18: mister Nelson, Thank.

3243
02:57:43,320 --> 02:57:43,960
Speaker 5: You, mister Governor.

3244
02:57:44,879 --> 02:57:47,119
Speaker 1: Thanks Mike Counselor.

3245
02:57:48,000 --> 02:57:49,600
Speaker 15: So yeah, I just want to say that the.

3246
02:57:51,560 --> 02:57:56,720
Speaker 23: The harms have been good, uh worldwide, Okay, And I

3247
02:57:56,840 --> 02:58:01,600
Speaker 23: know he mentioned Africans or immigrants who uh have recently

3248
02:58:01,680 --> 02:58:03,880
Speaker 23: come over here. That doesn't mean that they have not

3249
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:08,520
Speaker 23: been impacted also by this whole worldwide system of white

3250
02:58:08,560 --> 02:58:12,120
Speaker 23: domination and black degradation. You know, when we get into

3251
02:58:12,560 --> 02:58:15,520
Speaker 23: issues of separation, that's one of the problems that we've

3252
02:58:15,640 --> 02:58:20,520
Speaker 23: faced here. Yes, you know, it depends on where the

3253
02:58:20,640 --> 02:58:23,320
Speaker 23: ship let us off at. You know, whether it was

3254
02:58:23,360 --> 02:58:26,119
Speaker 23: in Brazil, whether it's in Cuba, whether it's in Jamaica,

3255
02:58:26,360 --> 02:58:33,040
Speaker 23: whether it's in North America, Louisiana where I mean, which

3256
02:58:33,360 --> 02:58:37,280
Speaker 23: all speaks to why we speak different languages, but we

3257
02:58:37,400 --> 02:58:41,280
Speaker 23: are one people united by one common uh, you know,

3258
02:58:41,720 --> 02:58:46,360
Speaker 23: uh oppression, and that's why we talk about reparations not

3259
02:58:46,560 --> 02:58:49,160
Speaker 23: just for the enslavement era, but for what is happening

3260
02:58:49,480 --> 02:58:52,960
Speaker 23: today throughout the centuries today as well. The police did

3261
02:58:53,000 --> 02:58:57,119
Speaker 23: not stop Abner Louima and uh I'm gonna do Diallo

3262
02:58:57,560 --> 02:59:00,240
Speaker 23: and ask them, well, do you know what plantations you

3263
02:59:00,320 --> 02:59:01,320
Speaker 23: came from in this country?

3264
02:59:01,440 --> 02:59:03,560
Speaker 15: Okay? Or they they just.

3265
02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:08,080
Speaker 23: Presume the color of the skin, Okay, What's what caused

3266
02:59:08,160 --> 02:59:12,360
Speaker 23: their degredation at the hands of police in New York.

3267
02:59:12,800 --> 02:59:16,480
Speaker 23: So you know, I'm not one for separation. I'm one

3268
02:59:16,600 --> 02:59:22,240
Speaker 23: for unification, okay. And I'm one for seeing us as

3269
02:59:22,440 --> 02:59:24,960
Speaker 23: one people. So I know there's a big divide in

3270
02:59:25,000 --> 02:59:29,480
Speaker 23: the reparations movement today with respect to that, but I'd

3271
02:59:29,560 --> 02:59:32,840
Speaker 23: like to look at the situation as an abundance situation

3272
02:59:33,320 --> 02:59:35,600
Speaker 23: as opposed to a non abundance, and when we look

3273
02:59:35,640 --> 02:59:38,400
Speaker 23: at it from that aspect, we look at our people

3274
02:59:38,480 --> 02:59:41,560
Speaker 23: as one people. But again, I'll just conclude this part

3275
02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:44,360
Speaker 23: by saying that people all over the world, Black people

3276
02:59:44,400 --> 02:59:47,720
Speaker 23: all over the world are fighting for repair, for justice,

3277
02:59:47,800 --> 02:59:52,280
Speaker 23: for uh uh, you know, for reparations, and I don't

3278
02:59:52,320 --> 02:59:58,360
Speaker 23: think it does us justice to divide, you know, us here.

3279
02:59:58,520 --> 03:00:01,400
Speaker 23: So again, this is why they commissions and task forces

3280
03:00:01,640 --> 03:00:05,920
Speaker 23: to determine specific eligibility, whether it's going to be rob

3281
03:00:06,120 --> 03:00:08,560
Speaker 23: whether it's going to be strict. These are conversations that

3282
03:00:08,560 --> 03:00:11,879
Speaker 23: have won on right here right now, you know, today.

3283
03:00:11,959 --> 03:00:13,160
Speaker 23: So I appreciate your.

3284
03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:18,200
Speaker 15: Callers, you know, comments, and you know.

3285
03:00:18,440 --> 03:00:23,039
Speaker 23: They we're pacing these type of issues every day.

3286
03:00:24,080 --> 03:00:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and ate away from the top there. And you know,

3287
03:00:26,800 --> 03:00:29,960
Speaker 1: some people think that that the brothers and sisters on

3288
03:00:30,040 --> 03:00:33,199
Speaker 1: the continent deserve reparations because there was a brain drain

3289
03:00:33,320 --> 03:00:36,360
Speaker 1: that they lost a lot of scholars that that you

3290
03:00:36,440 --> 03:00:39,080
Speaker 1: know on this side of the Atlantic Ocean that have

3291
03:00:39,200 --> 03:00:41,600
Speaker 1: become and just look what Africa could be with the

3292
03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:47,400
Speaker 1: brains that were taken away from Africa. The reparations too,

3293
03:00:47,440 --> 03:00:48,480
Speaker 1: because they could have.

3294
03:00:50,200 --> 03:00:52,440
Speaker 15: Yeah, and they are fighting for that as well.

3295
03:00:52,480 --> 03:00:55,720
Speaker 23: The African Union as well as well as Caracom. Caracom

3296
03:00:55,920 --> 03:01:00,120
Speaker 23: is the community of Caribbean nations are uniting uh with

3297
03:01:00,320 --> 03:01:07,240
Speaker 23: respect to the issue of reparations against the former European colonizers.

3298
03:01:07,320 --> 03:01:11,560
Speaker 23: And we in the diaspora, you know, in this country

3299
03:01:11,760 --> 03:01:14,200
Speaker 23: are part of that growing global.

3300
03:01:13,879 --> 03:01:14,840
Speaker 15: Movement as well.

3301
03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:17,800
Speaker 1: That's right, because we all made the same trip or

3302
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:20,920
Speaker 1: are these the ancestors stated just on different ships and

3303
03:01:21,000 --> 03:01:22,119
Speaker 1: stopped at different ports.

3304
03:01:22,160 --> 03:01:24,840
Speaker 23: But we're still want different places right where you go?

3305
03:01:25,879 --> 03:01:28,160
Speaker 23: Why some of us speak English, some of us speak Spanish,

3306
03:01:28,200 --> 03:01:29,600
Speaker 23: some of us say, speak for the Geese.

3307
03:01:30,040 --> 03:01:33,600
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, we'll make it.

3308
03:01:35,040 --> 03:01:37,240
Speaker 1: We'll get We'll get that. Don't worry, we'll get that

3309
03:01:37,680 --> 03:01:38,840
Speaker 1: because we're a special people.

3310
03:01:40,760 --> 03:01:42,720
Speaker 23: I'm going to mention something else real quick, just as

3311
03:01:42,760 --> 03:01:42,960
Speaker 23: I can.

3312
03:01:43,280 --> 03:01:46,160
Speaker 15: You know, I talking about these cities and states. Well,

3313
03:01:46,400 --> 03:01:51,560
Speaker 15: in North Carolina, Ashville, Uh, the US Department of Justice

3314
03:01:51,600 --> 03:01:56,360
Speaker 15: has threatened legal action against Asheville, North Carolina if they

3315
03:01:56,520 --> 03:02:02,119
Speaker 15: dare move forward with reparation recommendations from their community reparations commissions.

3316
03:02:02,160 --> 03:02:05,800
Speaker 15: I mean, this is uh, this is totally and completely countenable.

3317
03:02:05,840 --> 03:02:09,840
Speaker 15: We're talking about the Department of Justice, the department that

3318
03:02:10,280 --> 03:02:13,560
Speaker 15: is supposed to be tasked with advancing justice instead is

3319
03:02:14,120 --> 03:02:18,080
Speaker 15: a stifling justice. And again you know, uh, you know

3320
03:02:18,320 --> 03:02:20,800
Speaker 15: what they're saying is that, oh, well, you can't use.

3321
03:02:20,840 --> 03:02:25,600
Speaker 23: Race, but the irony is just staggering. A couple of

3322
03:02:25,640 --> 03:02:29,960
Speaker 23: months ago, the Supreme Court recently gave immigration agents the

3323
03:02:30,040 --> 03:02:33,440
Speaker 23: green light to use race as a factor in stop

3324
03:02:34,040 --> 03:02:39,080
Speaker 23: effectively legitimizing racial profiling. So if race can be used

3325
03:02:39,120 --> 03:02:41,240
Speaker 23: to oh rash, why can't it be used to.

3326
03:02:42,920 --> 03:02:43,600
Speaker 15: To be pair?

3327
03:02:43,840 --> 03:02:44,000
Speaker 6: You know?

3328
03:02:44,440 --> 03:02:48,720
Speaker 15: So, you know, what's happening in Ashville is symptomatic of

3329
03:02:48,800 --> 03:02:49,879
Speaker 15: what's happening across the.

3330
03:02:49,959 --> 03:02:54,840
Speaker 23: Country, but we must not bow down. What we need

3331
03:02:54,959 --> 03:02:58,360
Speaker 23: to do is double down the call for reparations. It's

3332
03:02:58,760 --> 03:02:59,760
Speaker 23: louder than ever.

3333
03:03:00,080 --> 03:03:00,240
Speaker 12: You know.

3334
03:03:00,560 --> 03:03:02,600
Speaker 23: You may not hear about it in the media, but

3335
03:03:02,800 --> 03:03:07,520
Speaker 23: in cities, states, institutions across this country are acknowledge and

3336
03:03:07,600 --> 03:03:12,720
Speaker 23: beginning to acknowledge uh, their roles in perpetrating harm. And

3337
03:03:12,879 --> 03:03:15,840
Speaker 23: it's the result of the work that we've been doing,

3338
03:03:16,240 --> 03:03:19,320
Speaker 23: you know, all of this time. So I just wanted

3339
03:03:19,400 --> 03:03:24,680
Speaker 23: to say, there's apocricy going on with respect to the

3340
03:03:24,680 --> 03:03:28,560
Speaker 23: issue of reparations, and we must not allow that to continue,

3341
03:03:28,720 --> 03:03:31,160
Speaker 23: whether it's coming from the United States government or whether

3342
03:03:31,200 --> 03:03:35,080
Speaker 23: it's coming from detractors against reparations in particular.

3343
03:03:35,600 --> 03:03:37,320
Speaker 1: All right, five way for the top thing. I'm gonna

3344
03:03:37,360 --> 03:03:41,519
Speaker 1: let you go an because we've got another engagement.

3345
03:03:42,000 --> 03:03:45,320
Speaker 23: That you have, right, yeah, yeah, I have. I have

3346
03:03:45,720 --> 03:03:48,879
Speaker 23: a video show on another station that I call those

3347
03:03:49,240 --> 03:03:49,840
Speaker 23: ten o'clock.

3348
03:03:50,040 --> 03:03:51,000
Speaker 11: Yeah sound good?

3349
03:03:51,080 --> 03:03:54,920
Speaker 1: Okay, well good for good. Will continue the discussion over there.

3350
03:03:56,160 --> 03:03:58,360
Speaker 23: Thank you so very much, called for always having me on,

3351
03:03:58,520 --> 03:04:00,440
Speaker 23: and I just love your callers who all in with

3352
03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:02,040
Speaker 23: their various comments.

3353
03:04:02,240 --> 03:04:04,680
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, and thank you for if you've been

3354
03:04:04,720 --> 03:04:07,040
Speaker 1: in the fight for a while since the ki taf

3355
03:04:07,120 --> 03:04:09,200
Speaker 1: and thank you for what you do and all the

3356
03:04:09,280 --> 03:04:10,520
Speaker 1: help that you've given us so far.

3357
03:04:11,840 --> 03:04:14,160
Speaker 15: Thank you called piece of lessons reparations.

3358
03:04:14,280 --> 03:04:20,760
Speaker 1: Now all right for a way, t Kevin. We talked about,

3359
03:04:21,360 --> 03:04:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, this is a Veteran's day, and we talked

3360
03:04:23,800 --> 03:04:27,160
Speaker 1: about somebody talked about the Buffalo Soldiers and how they

3361
03:04:27,200 --> 03:04:29,640
Speaker 1: were tricked into fighting the Indians. Well, I got no

3362
03:04:29,760 --> 03:04:33,480
Speaker 1: from Mark from Anaheim says, you know the Buffalo Soldiers that, yes,

3363
03:04:33,560 --> 03:04:35,640
Speaker 1: they do a trick and gone events. But nobody talked

3364
03:04:35,640 --> 03:04:38,400
Speaker 1: to how President Lincoln used the Buffalo Soldiers to keep

3365
03:04:38,440 --> 03:04:39,840
Speaker 1: the Mormons in check.

3366
03:04:40,200 --> 03:04:45,840
Speaker 2: Really, yes, yeah, I didn't know that that they What

3367
03:04:45,920 --> 03:04:47,760
Speaker 2: do you mean keep the Mormons in check? They were

3368
03:04:48,200 --> 03:04:51,080
Speaker 2: moving on to the West coast and right, so the

3369
03:04:51,120 --> 03:04:52,080
Speaker 2: Buffalo says.

3370
03:04:51,840 --> 03:04:54,080
Speaker 1: The moments have neither forgotten nor forgiven. And now the

3371
03:04:54,160 --> 03:04:56,800
Speaker 1: Mormons John Birch Society have taken control of all three

3372
03:04:57,040 --> 03:04:59,560
Speaker 1: branches of the federal government on Capitol Hills.

3373
03:05:01,080 --> 03:05:05,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well today is Veterans Day, though let's keep

3374
03:05:05,440 --> 03:05:10,640
Speaker 2: it positive. Eleven eleven means something, and so today is

3375
03:05:10,760 --> 03:05:13,760
Speaker 2: Veterans Day and President Donald Trump is laying a wreath

3376
03:05:13,920 --> 03:05:17,240
Speaker 2: at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier to honor fallen

3377
03:05:17,320 --> 03:05:21,160
Speaker 2: service members and commemorate the national holiday. And it's a

3378
03:05:21,240 --> 03:05:25,400
Speaker 2: tradition that's done by all of the presidents and President

3379
03:05:25,480 --> 03:05:29,400
Speaker 2: Trump is going to continue in that. The ceremony is

3380
03:05:29,480 --> 03:05:32,840
Speaker 2: part of the official observance of Veterans Day and he's

3381
03:05:32,879 --> 03:05:35,600
Speaker 2: going to lay that reef at ten point fifty at

3382
03:05:36,120 --> 03:05:37,920
Speaker 2: Arlington National Cemetery.

3383
03:05:38,320 --> 03:05:42,200
Speaker 1: What about that, Well, let's talk somebody else. Is there

3384
03:05:42,280 --> 03:05:46,959
Speaker 1: any places that veterans who can get some free because

3385
03:05:46,959 --> 03:05:47,720
Speaker 1: we talked to her about it.

3386
03:05:47,840 --> 03:05:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked earlier. We thought this morning about the

3387
03:05:50,680 --> 03:05:56,680
Speaker 3: free food. So for those who are looking for.

3388
03:05:57,360 --> 03:06:02,160
Speaker 2: The free food, I have a list here and let's

3389
03:06:02,160 --> 03:06:04,840
Speaker 2: see where I put that list thoughts, see Carl and

3390
03:06:05,440 --> 03:06:10,120
Speaker 2: these uh type moments we've got here sometimes can really

3391
03:06:10,600 --> 03:06:11,440
Speaker 2: wrap you up.

3392
03:06:12,080 --> 03:06:14,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, because we're just flat out

3393
03:06:14,240 --> 03:06:17,080
Speaker 1: of time. Just call you and you can tell them

3394
03:06:17,120 --> 03:06:18,480
Speaker 1: where the free restaurant.

3395
03:06:18,640 --> 03:06:19,880
Speaker 2: I know off the top of my head is like

3396
03:06:20,000 --> 03:06:25,760
Speaker 2: places like Starbucks, Subway, Denny's, I Hop, you know, places

3397
03:06:25,879 --> 03:06:26,040
Speaker 2: like that.

3398
03:06:26,959 --> 03:06:29,240
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, it just got to prove that you're a veteran,

3399
03:06:29,360 --> 03:06:30,160
Speaker 1: right and.

3400
03:06:30,280 --> 03:06:32,800
Speaker 2: You Yeah, you bring your ID or your d D

3401
03:06:32,959 --> 03:06:36,560
Speaker 2: two fourteen and uh, and you can get Some of

3402
03:06:36,760 --> 03:06:39,080
Speaker 2: them are bogo by one, get one, and some of

3403
03:06:39,160 --> 03:06:43,400
Speaker 2: them are absolutely straight out like duncan you get a donut?

3404
03:06:43,520 --> 03:06:47,360
Speaker 2: And Krispy Kreme is also giving you a donut. So

3405
03:06:48,959 --> 03:06:51,520
Speaker 2: as they say, is that happy veterans date to all

3406
03:06:51,560 --> 03:06:55,480
Speaker 2: of the veterans. And I wanted to quote Barack Obama.

3407
03:06:55,600 --> 03:06:58,800
Speaker 2: He says, our nation owes adapt to its fallen heroes.

3408
03:06:58,879 --> 03:07:02,599
Speaker 2: That we can never fully but we can honor their sacrifice.

3409
03:07:03,200 --> 03:07:07,680
Speaker 2: All gave, some, some gave also, God bless the USA

3410
03:07:07,840 --> 03:07:09,600
Speaker 2: and all of those servants members.

3411
03:07:10,400 --> 03:07:12,960
Speaker 1: All right, I'm family classes dismissed. We've got to get

3412
03:07:13,000 --> 03:07:15,400
Speaker 1: out of here running late. Stay strong, stay positive, please

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03:07:15,440 --> 03:07:18,400
Speaker 1: stay healthy. See you tomorrow morning, ten six o'clock right

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Speaker 1: here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in

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Speaker 1: the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL