1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Do not be done with the Hilton Hotels. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 2: Because Hilton has worked aggressively to say whoa, whoa, whoa, 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: this wasn't us, and. 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Forget that guy who it was. They're out. 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be here, Good 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: to be with You find everything over at Tony Katz 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: dot com live streaming on the YouTube. Just check it 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: out for yourself YouTube dot com slash Tony Katz. 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: I'd be sure to subscribe. 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: Mark Kelly is lucky, lucky. The only thing being discussed 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: here is him being demoted. Mark Kelly is the senator 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: from Arizona, and Mark Kelly was the one who was 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: in the video with Elsa Slutkin and Congressman Crowe and 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: a host of others saying you should not accept orders 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: from Donald Trump. Well, now, Tony, what they said is, hey, 16 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: here's a reminder to all those in the military, you 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: shouldn't listen to illegal orders. 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: Well, if we're gonna go chapter and verse, yes, that's 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: what they said. 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: If we're gonna be honest, what they said is Donald 21 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: Trump is an illegitimate president. 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: Don't listen to him. And for that for trying. 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: To usurp the commander in chief for trying to instruct 24 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: members of the military not to listen to the chain 25 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: of command. 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: Jail worse, that's up to Senate and up to a 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: judge to decide. 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: What they did is indefensible and they deserve all the 29 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: derision and all the hate that they got. It's not 30 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: actually considered treason, okay, but the layman calls it treason. 31 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: Is it seditious behavior? Well, I guess it depends on 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: who you ask. Does everybody know what they said? Yes, 33 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: here are the words they used. Well we know what 34 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: they said, right, that's how that plays out. Well, Mark 35 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: Kelly is now outraged. Outraged, I tell you, because the 36 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: Pentagon is taking a look at demoting him. 37 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: Well, I'm surprised that they're continuing down this path and taking, 38 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: you know, these steps to try to silence me, silence 39 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: other members of Congress, silence retired members of the military, 40 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: former service members, really silenced the American people. I mean, 41 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: this isn't totally only about me. 42 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 1: I'm not silenced. You're terrible and you're not a tough guy. 43 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: Could you stop it. 44 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: I think that I was going over this and I 45 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: think this is what got me regarding Congressman Jason Crow yesterday, 46 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: and I'll state it for the record. 47 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: I can be as disgusted with. 48 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: Him as I want, and I am, and I think 49 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: that he's wrong, and I do think that his argument 50 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: is garbage nonsense. And I said it then, I'll say 51 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: it now. I will speak to that man knows to 52 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: nose and say it point blank. The infuriating part is 53 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: when these guys act tough that somehow their service gives 54 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: them carte blanche on everything, and you can't say anything 55 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: about it because well, you didn't serve. 56 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: Just because they didn't serve doesn't mean I can't say things. 57 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: There's the weird thing that happens. 58 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: Where they're a false belief comes across people and comes 59 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: over people that somehow an expertise exists because of experience. 60 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: A when it's not true that Mark Kelly served in 61 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: the military does not make him an expert on how 62 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: the military should function. Lloyd Austin served in the military. 63 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: He was the Secretary of Defense under Joe Biden, and 64 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: that guy went to a wall and didn't inform his superiors, 65 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: which well were the President of the United States. Am 66 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: I supposed to believe that he's somebody I should be 67 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: following and paying attention to, not in the slightest and 68 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: not for a second. No, I reject the premise that 69 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: he's somebody I should be listening to this idea that 70 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: the generals know best. But we were engaging woke policy 71 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: and not creating war fighters. That's the wrong approach, and 72 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: I'm glad we don't have that approach anymore. But they 73 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: were in the military. They are the experts. No, no, no. 74 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: No, no no. They can be questioned. 75 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: And I find it ugly, this tough guy approach. 76 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: And that's what I think you get a lot from 77 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: Mark Kelly, a tough guy approach. 78 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: He thinks it's wrong and despicable, and how dare the 79 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: Pentagon try and silence him. 80 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: That's not what's happening. 81 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: No one said he couldn't speak out about President Trump, 82 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 2: or about Republicans, or about policy. 83 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: No one said this. 84 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: You, Senator, tried to usurp the duly elected president of 85 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: the United States, and you were pushing members of the 86 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: military not to listen to the commander in chief. We 87 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 2: wouldn't accept it from a Chinese bot on TikTok. Why 88 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: in the world would we accept it from a sitting 89 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: US or you did what you did. 90 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: And as far as I'm concerned, you should be tried. 91 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, you should be kicked out 92 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: of the Senate. 93 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: If all you get is demoted, you lose some pension. 94 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: I think you should lose every bit of your pension 95 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: if all you get is demoted, Sir, my god, you 96 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: got off easy, and I will state for the record, 97 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: too easy. The idea that you're being silenced, no you're not. 98 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: I'm not being silenced either. I think when people engage 99 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: in cancel culture, there are trying to silence people. But 100 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: you just heard me say I oppose the platforming. Candice 101 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: Owans is a fool. Tucker Carlson is a fool. Nick 102 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 2: flit Das is a cartoon. I don't think there should 103 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 2: be the platforms. I never once said Lewis Farakhon should 104 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: be the platformed. 105 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: I said. 106 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: Congressmen like Andre Carson should be ashamed of themselves for 107 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: calling him a friend, and he shouldn't win reelection. 108 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: Toda. 109 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 2: Defending what it is you did here. 110 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: Ridiculous. 111 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: We shouldn't defend what was done. We shouldn't defend how 112 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: this went down. The tough guy routine can be seen 113 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: from Governor Tim Walls, who dropped out of. 114 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: His race to run for reelection. 115 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: The people of Minnesota now spared a third term of 116 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: this madness. 117 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: This was him. 118 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: Ah, the audio is not working, Bee, it's not coming 119 00:07:58,800 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: through for me. 120 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: Is it come to view? 121 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: No? 122 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it is. That's too bad. He's 123 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: blaming Republicans. He was. 124 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: There was never a moment where Tim Walls wasn't tough. 125 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: There was never a moment where Tim Walls wasn't the 126 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: guy on the full on attack. And it was Tim 127 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: Walls who made the statement that you know, I know, 128 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 2: we haven't seen a lot of Donald Trump and and 129 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 2: maybe and maybe that's some good news. 130 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: Do you remember that story. 131 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: When one Trump was like radio silent for like a 132 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: day and a half and then the internet was like, ah, ah, 133 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: Trump's dead. Trump's dead. He's clearly dead. And who knows, 134 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: maybe we'll get and that'll be true one day. You 135 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: don't you don't remember that happening, Oh, because I remember 136 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: that happening. Let's let's see if if this one's working 137 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: right here. 138 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: You get up in the morning and you doom scroll 139 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 4: through things. And although I will say this for the 140 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: last few days, you woke up thinking there might be news, 141 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: just saying just saying, there will be news sometimes just 142 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 4: so you know. 143 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: There that's a governor wishing death on the president of 144 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: the United States. But look how tough he is. Look 145 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: at what these Republicans have done. They've weaponized this and 146 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: weaponized that possibly billions of dollars with the fraud of 147 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: Minnesota under your watch. 148 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: And you're you're angry that we noticed. 149 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: You're angry that we noticed because you expected and you 150 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: got You're Democrat minded or Democrat aligned. Colleagues in the 151 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: media not to report on this guy ran for vice 152 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: president of the United States. No one from CNN and 153 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: MSNBC reported on it. Nothing from the Times, nothing from 154 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: the Post. Now, if there was a story, I should 155 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: have to give credit where it's due, if indeed there 156 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: was a story, but there wasn't a front page story 157 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: every day. 158 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, look at this. 159 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: If they had treated this scandal like Russia, Russia, Russia, 160 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: we all would have. 161 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: Known about it years ago. But we didn't. 162 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: We didn't get to really know about it until the 163 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: City Journal piece from Manhattan Institute. We didn't even pay 164 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: attention to the local reporting from people like Jay Calls 165 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: and others. They're in Minneapolis, and then we saw the 166 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: video from Nick Shirley, and that was the end of that. 167 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: They can joke about Trump dying in hopes that he's dead. 168 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: They can sit there and say, don't listen to the 169 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: commander in chief. But when anybody responds, look what they're 170 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 2: doing to me. We'd all be better off if there 171 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: was a standard, and the standard was we disagree with 172 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: the guy who won. Let's talk about the disagreements as 173 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: opposed to we disagree with the guy who won. 174 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: So let's work desperately to destroy him. 175 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: Let's lie, cheat and steal our way to some level 176 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: of victory, and make sure we keep destroying our political opponents, 177 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: dehumanizing our political opponents, and pushing people to kill our 178 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: political opponents every day of the week. Oh does that 179 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: come more from the left and from the right. One 180 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: thousand percent. There's not even a question. Does this still 181 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 2: lead us down a bad road? 182 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: You bet? I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.