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Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: And I am Spike Lou of the On Deck TV
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Speaker 1: We are continuing on with our weekly recaps of the
Speaker 1: hit HBO original series starrings and dea title Euphoria. Uh.
Speaker 1: This recap will be dedicated to episode six. May me
Speaker 1: double check make sure I'm right, because I know these
Speaker 1: niggas always be.
Speaker 2: Nigga's got the right taps? Episode six, I'll say that,
Speaker 2: what's the tough.
Speaker 3: Stands?
Speaker 1: Let's see, we won't have Ken joining us today, but
Speaker 1: Mike will be coming on a little bit later. But
Speaker 1: we're not gonna you know, we can always say one monkey,
Speaker 1: don't stop the show rolling through. I want to get
Speaker 1: everybody's thoughts on this episode, because well, we got two
Speaker 1: left for this season and this.
Speaker 2: Episode was was very interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you now because when I how
Speaker 1: the episode starts, I was thinking about you.
Speaker 2: So, what did you think? About this episode.
Speaker 4: It's a slow decline. It's a slow, steady decline. I
Speaker 4: think that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 4: The opening with the backstory was the best part of
Speaker 4: the episode. After that, it just went completely downhill for me.
Speaker 4: It's just I won't even saying one downhill. It just
Speaker 4: felt very incomplete.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: You felt the same way, Rod, Yeah, felt yeah, I
Speaker 5: felt incomplete for us to be uh, two episodes from
Speaker 5: the end. I'm curious to see how they wrap all
Speaker 5: of this up. And this makes me feel like it's
Speaker 5: gonna be.
Speaker 3: Rushed, you know what i mean. So I'm a little
Speaker 3: worried about that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think, man, it's just it's just an
Speaker 5: okay show right now, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 5: and that, and that's not cool for you, for you,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, euph You.
Speaker 3: I never looked at it, Euphoria as just an okay show.
Speaker 5: It was just like one of my top shows, Like
Speaker 5: I was really looking forward to seeing it. And it's
Speaker 5: feeling it's weird because I still look forward to seeing
Speaker 5: this because I wanted to get better. So it's I'm
Speaker 5: in a weird place with it. It's like, dang, I'm
Speaker 5: anticipating to see what that's gonna be. And it's like
Speaker 5: I always get let down a little bit.
Speaker 2: M how about you, Lou, I feel the same as
Speaker 2: this is a well I don't know if they said this,
Speaker 2: but this is a note for me though, Like I
Speaker 2: hate when shows start like getting in his backstory. We
Speaker 2: talked about snowfall and we hope that they wouldn't do this,
Speaker 2: and they give you this whole other story before they
Speaker 2: get back to the cliffhanger that they left on the
Speaker 2: last story, which leads me to Rod's pointing, since I
Speaker 2: don't feel like they got much story to tell. I
Speaker 2: didn't I like all of them. Oh, he's a great character,
Speaker 2: but I don't need this backstory. Bro like that that
Speaker 2: shit didn't tell me nothing about him in the sense
Speaker 2: that it added to the current storyline. It don't. It
Speaker 2: didn't give any depth to him, like ye'all got it,
Speaker 2: I understand when and then they tried to wrap it
Speaker 2: up with don't ever trust no bitch, like that was cool,
Speaker 2: but I didn't need that. I want to be more
Speaker 2: in this world with the characters that I know already. Like, so, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't like that they did that, But also I
Speaker 2: do still enjoy it. It is still an okay show.
Speaker 2: I do still look forward to it. Like Rod said,
Speaker 2: it hopes that it does get better that they wiled
Speaker 2: me in these next two weeks, but I don't if
Speaker 2: I had to bet on it, I wouldn't think so. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I first to say I was wrong. I was wrong
Speaker 2: early on by saying that.
Speaker 1: I think we talked about like the first couple episodes,
Speaker 1: I was like, these are gonna be the worst episodes.
Speaker 2: Seasons gonna get.
Speaker 1: Better as it goes along, and that has not been
Speaker 1: the case at all, especially after this episode. I do
Speaker 1: agree with most of y'all like how it start was intriguing,
Speaker 1: but as it was going along, Nay, it felt like
Speaker 1: this was the Alamo show. Like it felt like I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't even care about the rest of
Speaker 1: the cast. Let's just get back to that character because
Speaker 1: that's the most intriguing character that we don't know too
Speaker 1: much about.
Speaker 2: But I love what we do learn throughout the sea
Speaker 2: throughout the season.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this may have been one of the most
Speaker 1: unsatisfying episodes of the season.
Speaker 2: And Mike, I'm not sure if you are.
Speaker 1: We're just not going over our overall thoughts, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to see what you thought about this episode just
Speaker 1: in general.
Speaker 6: Sorry jailing, but my mind it's not working. For some reason,
Speaker 6: I liked this episode. I don't know what y'all said
Speaker 6: because I've logged on late, but uh, I didn't have
Speaker 6: a problem with this episode.
Speaker 2: I thought it was all right. I don't think it
Speaker 2: was amazing or anything, but I liked it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, most of everybody said it wasn't that or
Speaker 1: maybe not entertained as the right word, but like just
Speaker 1: that good overall, like what we were hoping for about it. Like,
Speaker 1: as we're getting to the last couple of episodes of
Speaker 1: the season, I.
Speaker 6: Didn't hear none of that. I'm sure it's on my end,
Speaker 6: but you just froze. But I'm positive it's my end.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, Oh okay, Well, to me, this episode
Speaker 1: doesn't have too much going on for the rest of
Speaker 1: the cast. This is mostly an Alamo dominated episode, so
Speaker 1: I think we can focus on that and we could
Speaker 1: touch on the other cast characters down the line. But
Speaker 1: we start off this episode with seeing a flashback and
Speaker 1: somewhat origin story of Alamo with his mom growing up
Speaker 1: and one of the biggest lessons that he I guess
Speaker 1: Withreugh narrating that he learned as a young kid with
Speaker 1: how his mom interacted with a man that she was dating.
Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Nay, since is one of your
Speaker 1: favorite characters. You said this is the most interesting part
Speaker 1: of this episode. Why was that for you?
Speaker 4: I think the performance is Danielle that dead Wilder. I
Speaker 4: think it's her last name. She's an acting fool. I
Speaker 4: love anything that she's in. So while I understand Alamo's
Speaker 4: not character that is primary to the show that we've
Speaker 4: grown with, I felt like this backstory. I liked the
Speaker 4: Alamo character, and I felt like the backstory was interesting
Speaker 4: and was probably the most interesting piece of this show
Speaker 4: because I didn't really care about any of the what
Speaker 4: was going on with any of the other characters, which
Speaker 4: is why I feel like this show is steadily declining.
Speaker 4: Like for me to not care about Nate getting chased,
Speaker 4: for me to not care about Cassie. The thing that
Speaker 4: I cared the most about was this scene, and Jules
Speaker 4: and Rue and everything else was kind of filler. But
Speaker 4: I really I really like Danielle's performance. I really liked
Speaker 4: the story with like the way his Alamo's mom issues
Speaker 4: created who Alamo is, and at this point I could
Speaker 4: just be alright with the Alamo and Rus show.
Speaker 1: Rod, did you feel the same way after seeing that
Speaker 1: how we started this episode?
Speaker 2: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just saying, like that, this show is now heavily,
Speaker 1: maybe to his detriment, focused on Alamo.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's to a detriment per se,
Speaker 5: Like I did like that that backstory, it felt very
Speaker 5: euphoria or whatever, like to go back, you know, tell
Speaker 5: the story of how they got to where they were.
Speaker 3: And I think we were just talking about that. We
Speaker 3: were just saying how it was missing that, and so
Speaker 3: they came right back.
Speaker 5: With this episode and did that, and they did it
Speaker 5: really well with the Alimo story, giving you more.
Speaker 3: Of a sense of how he got to where he was.
Speaker 5: And and just listen to his whole model now.
Speaker 3: So I really liked that. The performances was great.
Speaker 5: Like the the mom just just just being brutal, and
Speaker 5: they start off saying that, but then like when you
Speaker 5: see it, it's just like what I don't I don't
Speaker 5: really see I thought, you really love it, man, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, to the point where you know,
Speaker 5: Alimo was food and yeah, man, it just really.
Speaker 3: Really sucked, but it felt very like that time.
Speaker 5: I think they did a really good job with capturing
Speaker 5: whatever time period that was supposed to be, with like
Speaker 5: the paintings and just the furniture, all of that, the hairstyles, like,
Speaker 5: I thought all of that was really really really executed well.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, you just asked me about that. That
Speaker 5: how they opened it with that, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, I thought I thought I thought they
Speaker 3: nailed that. I thought they nailed that a part.
Speaker 6: What about you, Mike, what did you think about how
Speaker 6: we started off this episode? Yeah, I think the way
Speaker 6: they started it off was great. I loved all of this.
Speaker 6: I didn't expect them to start this way, but I
Speaker 6: was totally fine with it. I like Alamo enough to
Speaker 6: want to know his backstory, and I like that that
Speaker 6: actress a lot too, And it was a good story.
Speaker 6: It felt like really good old school euphorre your writing.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I like this. I like this a lot.
Speaker 1: Louis should have it should have God knew that she
Speaker 1: was joking him for his bread.
Speaker 2: You always try to sit give me the setup question.
Speaker 2: He should have knew that. It It's like I ain't
Speaker 2: mad at her for it, though I feel like she was.
Speaker 2: She was just doing what she had to do to survive.
Speaker 2: It just so happened that he was the mark I mean,
Speaker 2: and it happened to him and she left him. But
Speaker 2: I thought he was good. She was good. I like
Speaker 2: her as an actor as well the other stuff I've seen
Speaker 2: her in. I think I'm on the different side of
Speaker 2: the fence with you. As far as Alamo's backstory, I
Speaker 2: liked him as a character in present day. I didn't
Speaker 2: care about any of this shit though. This didn't mean
Speaker 2: anything to me. I didn't need to know why he
Speaker 2: went with a pimp bro Like I pretty much figured
Speaker 2: it out. Something went wrong in his life. I got that, So, yeah,
Speaker 2: this was I was out of here. I ain't like.
Speaker 2: I ain't really like that. I was more so frustrated
Speaker 2: that they didn't take us right back to where they
Speaker 2: left us at when they started the episode.
Speaker 3: Oh that's what you meant when you open up with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you didn't you didn't like that? It didn't
Speaker 5: feel like throw back you for your tea.
Speaker 2: Not really, because again, I'm still getting I like Alamo,
Speaker 2: but I'm still getting used to him. I don't mean
Speaker 2: I'm not that in invested in him to have to
Speaker 2: look at that and then the end of it be, oh,
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna never trust no bitch because my mom did.
Speaker 2: And I'm saying that because they said that, but because
Speaker 2: my mom gott I forgot the name was Yeah. I
Speaker 2: didn't need him to say that or that to happen
Speaker 2: and to see that to understand that about l though
Speaker 2: it was it would have been good on another show,
Speaker 2: on another season or earlier somewhere, but just specifically it
Speaker 2: being right here is what frustrated me about I wasn't
Speaker 2: I was fine with it. I was fine with it.
Speaker 1: It actually added a little bit something to me, because again,
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see.
Speaker 2: How these men who are in these.
Speaker 1: Professions quote unquote, like like you mentioned, there was something
Speaker 1: that went wrong, and there's always a difference something and
Speaker 1: I mean some stuff is stereotypical, but this one was
Speaker 1: kind of somewhat unique because it wasn't like he was
Speaker 1: like groomed into being like a drug dealer or a pip.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like his mom was abusing him or I
Speaker 2: think the.
Speaker 1: Guy mentioned that him and his dad didn't like he
Speaker 1: was trying to make up for what his dad didn't
Speaker 1: do or whatever. But it seemed like this story was
Speaker 1: just one of like, Okay, this is where his innocence broke,
Speaker 1: and he was never the same after that.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting that it was done out of love.
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, Lou, I think you said his mom
Speaker 1: clearly loved him, like she kept on talking about like,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this for you, I'm doing this for us.
Speaker 1: If he can't accept it, doesn't matter if he loves me,
Speaker 1: as long as he you know, if he don't love you.
Speaker 1: I thought all that was great set up, and I
Speaker 1: love the fact that she used love to kind of
Speaker 1: manipulate him to act a different way, too, because I
Speaker 1: think if she would have told him what was going on,
Speaker 1: he would have been a kid and he.
Speaker 2: Probably would have fucked it up or snitched or said something.
Speaker 1: So I think it was very It was a great
Speaker 1: way to explain how he looks at women after that,
Speaker 1: especially because this is the first time that the woman
Speaker 1: that he loved broke his heart. So I love how
Speaker 1: we started off, and and like you said, Lou, we
Speaker 1: kind of get right back to where we ended off,
Speaker 1: where he's riding down with that gavel or whatever about
Speaker 1: the swing on Rue and then he somehow Ru ends
Speaker 1: up talking herself out of getting killed and says that
Speaker 1: I can make a deal. I can get your money back.
Speaker 1: Let me call Faye. Mike, what did you think about
Speaker 1: learning about what happened? What's been going on with Faye
Speaker 1: and that Nazi dude? As we learned how Ru was
Speaker 1: trying to basically manipulate her to get what she wants.
Speaker 6: See, I thought all this was interesting, especially are we
Speaker 6: at the conversation that they had when Ru called her
Speaker 6: yes when she's still in the I thought this was
Speaker 6: interesting because, like I mean, I guess it does kind
Speaker 6: of show that Faye is a little stupid, but it
Speaker 6: also shows that she'll kind of do whatever it takes
Speaker 6: to please the guy that she's with. And I like
Speaker 6: the whole part where Roote asked or so, like are
Speaker 6: you a Nazi now? And she's like, well not really.
Speaker 6: It's like yeah, She's like kind of sort of It's
Speaker 6: like what this this to me? Felt again like it
Speaker 6: felt like season two epho your writing. I thought it
Speaker 6: was interesting.
Speaker 2: Nay, what did you think?
Speaker 4: I was very confused because I thought we'd already done this.
Speaker 4: I thought we'd already talked about getting the key, and
Speaker 4: I thought that this was already the plan. So I
Speaker 4: was a little confused. Yeah, this this scene, it felt
Speaker 4: flat for me. Mm hmm. Fell a little flat for me.
Speaker 4: I just thought like it was and it goes back
Speaker 4: to the I don't like the whole rat storyline for
Speaker 4: this simple fact. It's like it's this cat and mouse
Speaker 4: game that I don't feel like it's fleshed out all
Speaker 4: the way. So, yeah, I thought we had already established
Speaker 4: that she was going to get the key and get
Speaker 4: the money last episode.
Speaker 3: So I was confused.
Speaker 2: Did we all remember that I was in the same
Speaker 2: boat as they, Oh, I confused. My confusion came from
Speaker 2: I thought that they did establish that, and they suspected
Speaker 2: her of talking to the police, and that's why they
Speaker 2: had her dig the whole and they were going to
Speaker 2: terroget her about that. That's what I thought. So I
Speaker 2: was sitting there with the same confusion as Nay. It's like,
Speaker 2: why did getting the key get her out of this
Speaker 2: when they did this, like they thought she was talking
Speaker 2: to the police. At least that's what I thought, And
Speaker 2: then I thought, maybe I think he ever said that.
Speaker 6: I think we just assumed that maybe they dug the
Speaker 6: hole like that because they thought that she was secretly
Speaker 6: in on the whole heist because she was in the
Speaker 6: room or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she heard their voices, and he didn't understand why
Speaker 2: she didn't tell who it was because she heard their voices.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: I think we just thought that they thought she was
Speaker 6: talking to us, and she's talking to the police.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Rob Rob.
Speaker 1: During that scene where we're learning about what Faye has
Speaker 1: been up to with her boyfriend and how she's talking
Speaker 1: to Rude, Faye actually also tries the drugs that were
Speaker 1: stolen from the safe and it just gave.
Speaker 2: Her the runs.
Speaker 1: Did you think do you think that's gonna come back
Speaker 1: as far as like now Fay knows that because she
Speaker 1: even said it to the dude.
Speaker 2: She was like, that's not actually cocaine.
Speaker 1: He was like, I ain't trying to hear it, Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to Like, we're trying to have a baby,
Speaker 1: you're trying to start a family.
Speaker 2: You over here doing drugs? Do you think that.
Speaker 1: Trusting Faye as far as being a no point intended
Speaker 1: key piece of this is going to be like.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a downfall.
Speaker 5: For Ruthe well, I don't like what they're doing with
Speaker 5: Fade this season. I feel like she was just more
Speaker 5: intriguing last season. This one, I felt like they were
Speaker 5: gonna do something with that. It's like they're shining away
Speaker 5: from that. In my opinion, I'd be really surprised that.
Speaker 3: They, you know, give her a bigger.
Speaker 5: Bigger purpose here. So I don't know how much more
Speaker 5: we're gonna get of.
Speaker 2: Are you interested? Are you interested in getting more? If
Speaker 2: we do?
Speaker 5: I was, I wasn't first, but then the way they're
Speaker 5: writing her this season, I'm not really rocking with it.
Speaker 3: Really, I'm not really rocking.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like how y'all feeling and how I'm
Speaker 5: feeling now about Nate.
Speaker 3: I feel like they've downgraded her character so this is
Speaker 3: just like a real airhead or.
Speaker 5: Just like just kind of just drug druggy, Whereas last season,
Speaker 5: I feel like she was like observing and stuff was
Speaker 5: happening around her. And I think I said that early
Speaker 5: on when we first start reviewing this, but yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: not getting.
Speaker 3: That sense anymore.
Speaker 5: She just, like she said, she just in love, like
Speaker 5: dump like stupidly in love with this Nazi And I'm
Speaker 5: just not in this storyline.
Speaker 6: For her, she was always an airhead. Remember, the only
Speaker 6: reason she was observing is because the dude came and
Speaker 6: told her that they were setting Fes up. She didn't
Speaker 6: figure anything out, not that I remember at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: She just seemed a lot more intriguing last last season
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just not the same, it doesn't. It doesn't
Speaker 3: feel the same.
Speaker 2: She's not delivering the lines the same. I know that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that too, that too.
Speaker 4: I think she was endaring because of Fez.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that could be.
Speaker 4: And I think because of the group that she's with,
Speaker 4: she's not endearing anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably I think. I think you're right, that's
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 5: I think that what made that made that make sense,
Speaker 5: and now that he's not there, it doesn't make sense anymore.
Speaker 6: And that's probably why when they brought up Fez, that
Speaker 6: was like the most like interesting part of the conversation.
Speaker 2: But she was like, remember Fez helped you, so you
Speaker 2: need to help me.
Speaker 3: M hm, Yeah, that's what it was. You're right, now,
Speaker 3: that's that's what it is.
Speaker 5: So but I'm kind of I can't remember who said it,
Speaker 5: but yeah, yeah, this, this, this, this whole sequence didn't
Speaker 5: really do much for me.
Speaker 3: It seemed like it ran ran too long. And like again,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: It's because the involvement of fa Rue is always gonna
Speaker 5: deliver the lines. We can always kind of her to
Speaker 5: deliver lines. But I don't know, it just it just
Speaker 5: was a little weird for me. I'm sorry, Mike, I'll
Speaker 5: be all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This does kick us to the next part where Alamo
Speaker 1: is not like all right, I'm gonna set up a
Speaker 1: meeting with LORII. We're gonna meet at my crib and
Speaker 1: we're gonna discuss how we're gonna I can get my
Speaker 1: ship back and we can just kind of end this ship.
Speaker 1: Quote unquote, Lou, what did you think about the conversation
Speaker 1: that Laurie had with Alamo when they went when they
Speaker 1: pulled up to his spot.
Speaker 2: And they were trying to negotiate a deal for a truce.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just feel like it came out
Speaker 2: of nowhere. Like I understand, the borders were closing, so
Speaker 2: they had the pivots, so now they want to use it.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like he would have been compensated more
Speaker 2: for such a big deal or twist like this and
Speaker 2: you just robbed me. I ain't, I ain't got no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear this shit. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: do with myself. If anything, I didn't have to even
Speaker 2: use you. So it felt weird to me that she
Speaker 2: was able to come to him like she had leverage
Speaker 2: after you just robbed me. I don't care about the
Speaker 2: little bird and it dying like whatever you felt about
Speaker 2: that so well, but you came and robbed my place
Speaker 2: of business and now you're marching up in here, your
Speaker 2: son or whoever that is to you're talking crazy. I
Speaker 2: just I didn't understand how she was able to have
Speaker 2: a position of leverage in this, do you know? I
Speaker 2: think that it was like Alamo was like has something
Speaker 2: more up his sleeve, Like he's just using this to
Speaker 2: gain access to her, Like I don't think this is
Speaker 2: like for me, I took that scene as like there's
Speaker 2: more to what Alamo's doing.
Speaker 1: He just pretending to be like, Okay, this is just
Speaker 1: a truth because like I said, I agree with everything
Speaker 1: you say. Like he's clearly he been pissed off for
Speaker 1: a while and this is just him being a little
Speaker 1: bit more cunning.
Speaker 2: That's possible they didn't, and if they didn't, that's fine
Speaker 2: because I would like to be surprised by But they
Speaker 2: didn't give me any indications that were what was going on.
Speaker 2: But it's definitely possible with that character. I agree with
Speaker 2: you there, what about you to day?
Speaker 4: Yeah, this scene felt flat for me too. The only
Speaker 4: thing that I think that I took from it, The
Speaker 4: most important piece to me was when he when they
Speaker 4: tried to get Rude to be the drug meal and
Speaker 4: he says, I have people I trust more than her,
Speaker 4: and Laurie was like, you don't trust Rue. So I
Speaker 4: feel like he's aware of the cop angle, and part
Speaker 4: of me feels like he's in on it somehow. But
Speaker 4: I really feel like within these next two episodes they
Speaker 4: got to give me some kind of twist here to
Speaker 4: make me feel like any of this matters to me.
Speaker 4: And I just think for both of them, with us
Speaker 4: having this backstory of Alamo, I just expected more from
Speaker 4: what they did with him this episode, and it just
Speaker 4: it just I didn't get it.
Speaker 6: Mike, you got your face crushed up? Yeah, because I
Speaker 6: think so. I think this scene worked for me because
Speaker 6: I liked Laurie and I found her to be intimidating
Speaker 6: and creepy, and just just the way she delivered the
Speaker 6: dead pan.
Speaker 2: I thought she was a cool character.
Speaker 6: I know y'all didn't like her, but I've been saying
Speaker 6: since day one, I like Laurie and to see Alamo
Speaker 6: be like, I don't give a fuck about none of
Speaker 6: this shit, and he the way he yanked her to him,
Speaker 6: and he was just like, if you even think about
Speaker 6: fucking me.
Speaker 2: That right there. I was like, I fuck with Alamo.
Speaker 6: I like this whole scene, and I like the fact
Speaker 6: that what's the lynch, y'all, y'all Marcia.
Speaker 2: I like the way he looked up when the dude
Speaker 2: said at a boy because.
Speaker 6: I felt mad he said that ship and he looked
Speaker 6: at him, was like, yeah, watch your fucking mouth.
Speaker 2: I was like, I liked this scene. It was very,
Speaker 2: very tense.
Speaker 6: I forget the other dude's name, the dude with the
Speaker 6: weird bishop bishop. The way he was delivering it's almost
Speaker 6: like he took on that monotone, weird deadpan LORI vibe
Speaker 6: and was giving it to the dude that was sitting
Speaker 6: nearest to him. I think that's her brother or something.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's her son. Either way, Yeah, I
Speaker 6: liked this scene. I thought it was cool.
Speaker 2: He I like the way Ru was behaving too. Every
Speaker 2: time they showed her face.
Speaker 6: Zendeia is too good, like you can read everything on
Speaker 6: her face and the way she kept like she kept
Speaker 6: looking kept in her seat.
Speaker 2: I loved this scene.
Speaker 3: Man, Yep.
Speaker 2: For me was like as soon as he put his
Speaker 2: feet up on the table, or was this this motherfucker
Speaker 2: just don't care? He disrespectful.
Speaker 1: I know he had not seen all that ship, but like, damn,
Speaker 1: like you on their turf in they crib and like
Speaker 1: they literally came out gun's.
Speaker 2: Deep Like ye, Robert, what did you take from that scene?
Speaker 5: Yeah, some of a little bit of both of like
Speaker 5: what Mike and they was saying. But I think I'm
Speaker 5: leaning more towards Mike this time. This was an intriguing
Speaker 5: scene because I particularly do like Lorie, so I like that,
Speaker 5: but I also agree.
Speaker 3: With I don't know Spike said or dang, I can't
Speaker 3: remember who's saying.
Speaker 5: What, but it did seem like how are y'all so
Speaker 5: confident in this man house that did that?
Speaker 3: Did seem a little weird, like.
Speaker 5: They have the high ground, like they could just kill
Speaker 5: y'all off if you if if if if he wanted to,
Speaker 5: I don't know if that does in long like long term,
Speaker 5: but well, I guess he would never find his money,
Speaker 5: So I guess that's the leverage they had, because a.
Speaker 6: Nazi will think like that, Rod, A Nazi will think
Speaker 6: like that. A Nazi will walk up into your house
Speaker 6: and act like they have the high ground because they're
Speaker 6: white and they don't think you won't do ship the
Speaker 6: way they were talking to him.
Speaker 2: I do agree with you, Rod.
Speaker 6: It probably has part to do with the money, but
Speaker 6: I just think that Nazis would behave that way interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was a little odd to me. That
Speaker 5: was a little odd to me. Yeah, but I still
Speaker 5: like though I like your I like your house. A
Speaker 5: little person did you'll see how.
Speaker 3: Smrong she.
Speaker 2: Spikes bike off?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 2: What about her? Felt like a little person who.
Speaker 1: Is like yes three he said it in the previous
Speaker 1: episode when because gave a fall pass, He's like they
Speaker 1: got us six plus as digging.
Speaker 2: Like like her frame is like little person frame. If
Speaker 2: y'all go there and go back and look at it,
Speaker 2: watch watching.
Speaker 1: Well, she she writes a little because she dressed like
Speaker 1: looking at the clown, her clothes as big as head
Speaker 1: like she was.
Speaker 7: She got droopy clothes like she don't really, But.
Speaker 2: But I love this scene. I thought Bishop was gonna shoot.
Speaker 1: Cuz, Like as soon as he pulled a gun on
Speaker 1: and like under the table on behind the bar, I
Speaker 1: thought she was about to go down. I love how
Speaker 1: when a nigga really talking ship ride, they always bring
Speaker 1: up Hiroshima. That's the one part of history that every
Speaker 1: nigga knows, Like nigga, I'm about to kill everybody if
Speaker 1: shit go wrong, he said.
Speaker 8: Look, he said, they want a pinky in my asses.
Speaker 8: I was like, this nigga talking ship. But I was
Speaker 8: surprised that it was just a clean meeting.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a lot to build up because
Speaker 1: I think we had about one or two episodes where
Speaker 1: he was discussing, like I talked to Lauria gonna set
Speaker 1: up a meet.
Speaker 2: I thought there was gonna be something that was gonna
Speaker 2: happen then.
Speaker 1: But to y'all point, like granted he made even if
Speaker 1: even if they do have the key already kind of made,
Speaker 1: they still got to know how to get in, and
Speaker 1: they still don't know the whole area. And also they
Speaker 1: don't know who else Laurie is working with too, so
Speaker 1: I think it will be too soon to kind of
Speaker 1: attack on that. But I love how the scene it's
Speaker 1: set up and where we're gonna go to. But we
Speaker 1: quickly kind of jumped to Maddie's perspective. I believe where
Speaker 1: she's been working with Alamo a lot, got the girls
Speaker 1: going her, including Matt, Cassie and that as well working
Speaker 1: at the club and stuff like that. And then she
Speaker 1: has a conversation with Alamo, which is like the first
Speaker 1: time she's really seen the version that Rue has still
Speaker 1: been he rules, you know, even in this episode, warned
Speaker 1: her again like Nigga, don't do business with Alamo. And
Speaker 1: she's like, well, you do business with Alamo? What's wrong
Speaker 1: with that? And Ru was like, Nick, I can't tell
Speaker 1: you what's like, it's me. You should know my decisions
Speaker 1: are bad.
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Speaker 1: But Rob, what did you think about what Maddie is
Speaker 1: getting into and do you think that she's in trouble
Speaker 1: or she still knows how to handle herself.
Speaker 3: I think she still knows how to handle herself.
Speaker 5: I was a little her first into Bisious spoke up
Speaker 5: and it was like, Nah, it's you know, it's a
Speaker 5: lot of people try to fuck you, but I don't
Speaker 5: think Maddie's one of those people or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, he's going to be.
Speaker 5: The saving grades for Maddie and her business acumen or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I think she's good on that side.
Speaker 5: I can't I can't imagine that being an issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I still I still like the Maddie storyline.
Speaker 5: I think she's still still a strong character and they
Speaker 5: didn't stay on her too long, but I think next
Speaker 5: episode they're gonna definitely be on her, but not for
Speaker 5: It's like what she's doing with the girls and stuff like, yeah,
Speaker 5: she's doing her thing, man, she's doing what she does,
Speaker 5: and yeah, I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: They Do you think Maddie's catching on to what's going
Speaker 1: on at the club based off of her saying like,
Speaker 1: can you at least give him one day off?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she's picking up what Rule was putting down,
Speaker 4: and I, well, I think she thinks she has it together.
Speaker 4: I'm starting to get worried for Maddie. So I'm starting
Speaker 4: to get a little concerned because we now know that
Speaker 4: Alamo don't really he don't really mess with women at all.
Speaker 4: That's why he's in the business that he's in. So
Speaker 4: I think that backstory kind of identified that Maddie's in
Speaker 4: trouble girl. Mm hmm. This ain't gonna go well for her.
Speaker 4: She needed to get out while she can.
Speaker 2: Mike, you agree.
Speaker 6: One hundred percent, And that was why I, uh, not
Speaker 6: to call you out, Spike. But that's why I kind
Speaker 6: of disagree with Spike when it came to the importance
Speaker 6: of the story with Alamo.
Speaker 2: I think we could have maybe.
Speaker 6: Just assumed, oh, he just doesn't fuck with women, but
Speaker 6: I think his reasoning for why he doesn't trust women
Speaker 6: I think is what's gonna make his relationship with Maddie
Speaker 6: very interesting. But what I'm more interested in is how
Speaker 6: this new job that Cassie is going for, how that's
Speaker 6: gonna affect their relationship with Maddie, Like, is Maddie just
Speaker 6: gonna beat her ass?
Speaker 2: Is Maddie gonna sue her? Like?
Speaker 6: What is gonna happen there? But with Maddie and Alamo,
Speaker 6: I am.
Speaker 2: Concerned for Maddie.
Speaker 6: I don't think anything super bad is gonna happen to
Speaker 6: her because I feel like she would probably try to
Speaker 6: bounce before that got that bad.
Speaker 2: But you never know, they might throw a.
Speaker 1: Twist in there, Lou, You think Maddi can get up
Speaker 1: out of there before she gets real.
Speaker 2: Not unscathed, like she may not be like fatally hurt,
Speaker 2: but something's definitely gonna happen to her. And I base
Speaker 2: it off with Mike and Ny said that backstory meant
Speaker 2: something may not have done the thing for me, but
Speaker 2: it also gave context to this ain't a partnership. Like
Speaker 2: I said last week, this him looking at her like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get over on you before you get over
Speaker 2: on me, and whatever have to happen from that, is
Speaker 2: gonna happen because I just don't trust nobody, So that
Speaker 2: having that context added and is we I did appreciate that,
Speaker 2: and it did make me look at this differently, like
Speaker 2: y'all said, And no, she will not get out on skates,
Speaker 2: because Maddie's always get put in these positions since we've
Speaker 2: been in this euphoria world. Is like she sometimes she
Speaker 2: biites off a little bit more than she can chew,
Speaker 2: and I think this is gonna be one of those situations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Maddie's in the most interesting position because
Speaker 1: as much as we can focus on Rude being a
Speaker 1: snitch and like that can be tense, Like what Maddie's
Speaker 1: doing is really tense because it's it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: like an Alice in Wonderland. She's going down this rabbit
Speaker 1: hole and she doesn't really know what's around the corner,
Speaker 1: but it's still very intriguing to her. And because it
Speaker 1: puts her in a boss like position, because she's always
Speaker 1: really pretty much been one of the bit of boss
Speaker 1: since Like Things season two when she was working for
Speaker 1: that rich lady. So I like that she is like
Speaker 1: being able to scratch that itch when it comes to
Speaker 1: like what is it like to, you know, run my
Speaker 1: business and just make money in very unique ways?
Speaker 2: However, like.
Speaker 1: She's also smart too, So that's the reason why I'm
Speaker 1: very interested in her character arc this season, because Rue
Speaker 1: was telling like out of everybody, Rule was constantly telling
Speaker 1: her warnings, the fact that she heard Alamo talk about
Speaker 1: her in a way like I don't even see you
Speaker 1: as Maddie.
Speaker 2: I see you just as a person who can help
Speaker 2: make me money.
Speaker 1: And once you once we stop agreeing on that, you're
Speaker 1: told like you're gonna be put in the same basket
Speaker 1: as everybody else. But Bishop had to be the one
Speaker 1: to step in and says, like, listen now to everybody
Speaker 1: that you think is going to screw you over, I
Speaker 1: think you need to look elsewhere with this. To me,
Speaker 1: it's just like if Bishop, everybody is backing you up,
Speaker 1: like it's like you that.
Speaker 2: Tells you that you may be in the wrong room
Speaker 2: where a nigga can snap.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that she's picking up on these cues
Speaker 1: before it's too late, because I do think her character
Speaker 1: is smart. But like Mike says, she may not even
Speaker 1: be able to get to that chance because there's certain
Speaker 1: circumstances that are out of her control, like where we
Speaker 1: get to with Cassie. Cassie last episode was making a
Speaker 1: lot of money, she rolls her platform and everything, and
Speaker 1: now we see her in this new acting role, in
Speaker 1: this new acting industry, and too even though it's upsetting Lexi,
Speaker 1: she's actually kind of making it work. Mike, what you
Speaker 1: since you brought it up, what were your thoughts on
Speaker 1: Cassie this episode and the decisions she made.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's still Fucksinny Sweeney till the day I die.
Speaker 6: But I think she did a good job in this episode.
Speaker 6: I think showing the desperation but also showing the kind
Speaker 6: of like weird misplaced confidence that she had.
Speaker 2: In this episode, I thought all this was really good.
Speaker 6: I thought her scene where she was trying to cover
Speaker 6: up the fact that she does do sex work and
Speaker 6: Lexi was, you know, over here being a hater the
Speaker 6: whole time, and I thought that whole back and forth
Speaker 6: was I thought that back and forth was really good
Speaker 6: because I think it especially shows like because that's not
Speaker 6: typical Lexi. You know, Lexi, he is judgmental, but she's
Speaker 6: not typically that vocal, which is why the play was
Speaker 6: such a weird situation. But I think her sitting there
Speaker 6: being like, nah, you do sex work? Oh no, she
Speaker 6: gives I didn't know what uh what?
Speaker 2: You never heard that either, Nick.
Speaker 6: I'd seen those those those letters, but I didn't know
Speaker 6: that's what it meant. I thought it was just a
Speaker 6: weird Spike, the only one that knew. But I thought
Speaker 6: it was like a weird thing for like just joy.
Speaker 6: Like it was like, oh, this is joy. So anyway,
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter at any rate. I found this whole
Speaker 6: scene to be really interesting. What wait, I'm the only
Speaker 6: one that didn't know.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm laughing at the joy. Mike, don't
Speaker 1: worry about what was doing. You could tell you knew
Speaker 1: what ja o I was by his hat. So that's
Speaker 1: how you need to know. I would you, because I
Speaker 1: know what the hell it.
Speaker 2: Was talking about.
Speaker 1: But but before I move on to someone else, I
Speaker 1: do want to say. I do want to say Lexi
Speaker 1: challenging Cassie. To me, I looked at as more as
Speaker 1: a sister thing than just like a oh Lexi's speaking up.
Speaker 1: She's speaking out because Lexi always got something to say
Speaker 1: about her sister. So I just felt like she if
Speaker 1: it was anybody else, she would have kind of probably
Speaker 1: been more quiet, but because of somebody that.
Speaker 2: She's known, she knows through and through. She called her
Speaker 2: a narcissist.
Speaker 1: I think last episode, like I think she was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have you bullshit in front of people.
Speaker 2: That I work for.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree. I think she doesn't want Cassie sucking
Speaker 6: up her job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we see that. That's interesting that y'all say that,
Speaker 2: because I think that her other two friends put her
Speaker 2: in the jeopardy of messing up her job and she
Speaker 2: didn't have this type of energy. I think there's a
Speaker 2: jealousy there with her sister in the sense that you
Speaker 2: always get everything so easy, Like I'm working hard at
Speaker 2: this and trying this, and you just come in and
Speaker 2: you do this little thing where you cry in the
Speaker 2: audition and you raise Shakespeare and now they're acting like
Speaker 2: they're going to give you a full part. I feel
Speaker 2: like it was a lot of jealousy there because she
Speaker 2: didn't have this energy. As y'all said, she didn't have
Speaker 2: the energy with Maddie. Maddie was saying and jewles because
Speaker 2: Maddie forced the audition and jeweles painted the picture and
Speaker 2: she gave little to no pushback on them for putting
Speaker 2: her job in jeopardy. But here, your sister is about
Speaker 2: to get the opportunity, and you got every objection in
Speaker 2: the world. So I really thought that was interesting and
Speaker 2: a jealous thing for her, sort of to what you said, Mike,
Speaker 2: why she wrote the play. The whole play I feel
Speaker 2: like was rooted in jealousy as well, and it comes
Speaker 2: up when her sisters at play because she feels like
Speaker 2: she got it easy.
Speaker 6: That's a really, really good point, Spike. I didn't even
Speaker 6: think about the jealousy angle. Do you think that maybe
Speaker 6: she's just tired because it's been Jules messed her up,
Speaker 6: Maddie mess and now is Cassie. Do you think she's
Speaker 6: just like, all right, this is it, like I'm sick
Speaker 6: of this shit? Or do you think is really just
Speaker 6: based on the fact that this is my sister.
Speaker 2: I think it's rooted in jealousy, but I also think
Speaker 2: she's fed up as well. Like you said, I didn't
Speaker 2: say anything to Maddie. I didn't say anything to anyone else.
Speaker 2: And now you're right here, No, no, I'm fed up.
Speaker 2: I'm protecting my job.
Speaker 4: God living in her sister's shadow, and now it's like
Speaker 4: she finally got her own thing, and her sister's encroaching
Speaker 4: on the one thing that she's kind of finally got.
Speaker 4: So I completely it was hate. It absolutely was her hating.
Speaker 4: But I feel like, rightfully so she wants her own thing.
Speaker 1: Mm Rod to that point, the producer or one of
Speaker 1: the executive producers, I feel like she's really been taking
Speaker 1: Lexi under her wing in of some sort of course.
Speaker 1: She's been very stern with her in some aspects when
Speaker 1: she messed up, but like she was like, because this
Speaker 1: is your sister and you gave her this opportunity that
Speaker 1: we're kind of moving forward with, why don't you write
Speaker 1: her part?
Speaker 2: You know, say, act like you deserve it type thing?
Speaker 2: Where do you think?
Speaker 1: And then we obviously we hear the conversation she has
Speaker 1: with her friend about the what do you think that
Speaker 1: Lexi is going to do with her sister moving forward?
Speaker 1: Because if we're going off that jealousy, hang, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you'll agree with that.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean I think just to go back
Speaker 5: to the one point, I think like Sharon Stone is
Speaker 5: the character I believe right she she obviously sees something
Speaker 5: in there because she would have fired her after.
Speaker 3: The whole painting thing or whatever, but she still kept
Speaker 3: her on.
Speaker 5: As far as on what I think Lexi would do
Speaker 5: with the character, as far as killing her off, she
Speaker 5: may try, but I think Sharan Stone is gonna keep
Speaker 5: pushing for her to be, you know, the start, one
Speaker 5: of the stars of the show, or she might she made.
Speaker 3: She may just be like, you know, well, this is
Speaker 3: my calling, this is my sister, and we're just gonna
Speaker 3: see it through.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 5: know exactly where they're gonna go with this, but I
Speaker 5: think the main part is the the fact that she's
Speaker 5: she's moving from only fans to this.
Speaker 3: I think that's that's the main part that they're trying
Speaker 3: to tell with this, this particular part. But I do
Speaker 3: find it interesting that.
Speaker 5: We got all of this stuff with Cassie, uh with
Speaker 5: Cassie up until this point, and it's almost trying to
Speaker 5: go into the narrative that she's been trying to say
Speaker 5: in real life as far as trying to trying to
Speaker 5: get you know, get get more from the douctive side
Speaker 5: to just being a serious actor. So I wonder I'm
Speaker 5: wondering if they're gonna if they did all of that
Speaker 5: stuff in the beginning just to kind of clean her
Speaker 5: up towards the end, kind of like, what's like what
Speaker 5: she's trying to do in real life with her What
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Yeah, I think there trying to write that
Speaker 5: story in this in this show.
Speaker 10: I mean, but that it might.
Speaker 3: Be that might be what they're doing.
Speaker 2: I mean, we we brought that up before. Oh go ahead,
Speaker 2: name well I.
Speaker 4: Was gonna say that, or I feel like Lexi isn't
Speaker 4: going to become a situation where Lexi too manipulates because
Speaker 4: she knows who Cassie is and she can write to
Speaker 4: Cassie's strengths, which is sexuality. So do we find Lexi
Speaker 4: in a situation where she's ultimately doing the same thing
Speaker 4: that Maddie and Nate and everyone else has been doing,
Speaker 4: which is capitalizing off of using Maddie or Cassie as
Speaker 4: a sexual object on her TV show.
Speaker 3: Could be?
Speaker 5: Could be, But I think there's going to be some
Speaker 5: struggle there because maybe Cassie be like, well, no, I
Speaker 5: don't want to do that. I could have did this
Speaker 5: doing only fans. I want to be taken as a
Speaker 5: serious actress. That whole dialogue.
Speaker 2: I hope this ain't predictable as I think it may be.
Speaker 2: But what I think may happen is that she's so
Speaker 2: good at her job as far as writing. We've seen
Speaker 2: from the play. She's going to try to write something
Speaker 2: to the little or embarrass her sister, and it's going
Speaker 2: to backfire. It's gonna go really well, and she's going
Speaker 2: to turn into a big star. Like I think that
Speaker 2: maybe where it heads sait this and then that's where
Speaker 2: Nate gets the money from, because now she his wife,
Speaker 2: is a successful star. I think I would prefer to
Speaker 2: just killed him. But I do think that Cassie's gonna
Speaker 2: write a really good story. She's gonna have a really
Speaker 2: good story written for her, and her sister's gonna be
Speaker 2: writing it out of spite, and she's going to do
Speaker 2: it so well and everybody's gonna love it, and then
Speaker 2: she's going to become like this start that she wants
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just want to I agree with Spike. I
Speaker 6: do think that that's gonna be a really interesting angle.
Speaker 2: I do want to.
Speaker 6: Take the rare opportunity to back rod up. I agree
Speaker 6: with him one hundred percent. We we brought that up
Speaker 6: maybe two episodes back when they were doing the interview
Speaker 6: cycle with Cassie, and she was like when they.
Speaker 2: Asked her she does, She's like, I'm not an our
Speaker 2: word or whatever.
Speaker 6: I definitely think that Sam Levinson was was taking cues
Speaker 6: from what she's going through in real life. So I
Speaker 6: do think, in my opinion, that Rod is onto something
Speaker 6: because this just seems too much of a parallel. It's cheesy, Nay,
Speaker 6: I agree with you. It's cheesy, it's corny, and it's
Speaker 6: kind of beneath him as far as writing goes. But
Speaker 6: I do think that that's what they're doing. They're taking
Speaker 6: the opportunity to kind of mimic real life when it
Speaker 6: comes to her, and I don't think it's great. I
Speaker 6: think it's bad for her character and I don't think
Speaker 6: it makes her look good, But I do think that's
Speaker 6: what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Well, before she deleted her OnlyFans account, she tried to
Speaker 1: call Nate to see if she can get advice on
Speaker 1: what she should do moving forward, because she's obviously leaning
Speaker 1: more towards her acting career or promising acting career.
Speaker 7: But Nate, he was busy, little he was busy fucking
Speaker 7: up somebody petunias and shit, and then he can chase
Speaker 7: again by the rush whatever.
Speaker 2: Gangster that's been chasing him down.
Speaker 1: Bro, I honestly him shocked again two episodes away from
Speaker 1: the finale, and all Nate has done is just been
Speaker 1: running around like he's It's Tom and Jerry, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he's an Academy Award nominated actor
Speaker 1: like man.
Speaker 2: Bro, they would have been better off if they did
Speaker 2: like the old days and just put him in a
Speaker 2: coma in episode one, and he just was like something
Speaker 2: happened to him with attractor roll over him and he
Speaker 2: had been in a coma foot until whenever they decide
Speaker 2: to do something with his character. Because this right here
Speaker 2: is bullshit, like it ain't even like you don't even
Speaker 2: have a reaction as a viewer anymore when you see
Speaker 2: the gangster dude coming up to him, like, Bro, this
Speaker 2: didn't happen. We've seen this, like we understand the scenario.
Speaker 2: Please give us a solution to it. We're tired of
Speaker 2: looking at this as viewers. And that's the only thing
Speaker 2: that when they pops up on the scene with that
Speaker 2: guy that I see now it's like this is.
Speaker 3: Not interesting again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, OK, he's got to get his ass with
Speaker 2: So No.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they haven't killed him yet because why not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, why are they even playing.
Speaker 2: Around with him? They're saving that. I think Cassie gonna say.
Speaker 6: Now, Nate gonna die. Nate doesn't want to be on
Speaker 6: this show. No more like you said, he's an Academy
Speaker 6: Award winning actor. He does not want to do this
Speaker 6: fucking schlop. You gotta think, like, outside of Rue Well
Speaker 6: and the guy that plays Alamo, but the best actors
Speaker 6: are the most recognized ones on this show. They're relegating
Speaker 6: to like really bad side characters. Like what they're doing
Speaker 6: with Nate is weirdest shit. What they're doing with Jules
Speaker 6: is weirdest shit. It doesn't make any sense. If I
Speaker 6: had to guess, I think that these actors don't want
Speaker 6: to do this. So they're like, look, i'll give you
Speaker 6: twenty percent of what I would normally do. That's all
Speaker 6: I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna go fill Frankenstein. Okay,
Speaker 6: I can give you an hour. So that's what they
Speaker 6: did with the character. There's no other explanation I can
Speaker 6: think of. Why else would you do this to such
Speaker 6: a great actor.
Speaker 3: That's a good point. That's a good point. I think
Speaker 3: we brought you.
Speaker 5: I mean, you might have brought that a point of
Speaker 5: like earlier on and I was just like, well, you
Speaker 5: know this, they got their start here, so.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, why wouldn't they help about blah
Speaker 3: blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: But it does feel like that these are these are
Speaker 5: two of the biggest stars outside of Zada on the show,
Speaker 5: and it's just like, Yo, why are you writing writing
Speaker 5: him this way?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's it's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Because you think he's jealous.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's jealous or what, but I
Speaker 5: think you're I think it's leaning more so of leaning
Speaker 5: on like what you were saying. They're just not enthusiastic
Speaker 5: about the show anymore, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 5: like especially being where they are in Hollywood at this
Speaker 5: at this moment, and so yeah, they're just giving.
Speaker 3: Like like not.
Speaker 5: Not much percentage when it comes to these roles, and
Speaker 5: he just taking what he can get. He's just taking
Speaker 5: what he can get because I haven't been interested in
Speaker 5: neither one of these characters Jews or I thought Jews
Speaker 5: is gonna be like on some crazy shit.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 3: When we said that, they say her, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, it's gonna be crazy when she gets on screen.
Speaker 3: Hell no, I'm not feeling any of that with her.
Speaker 2: Really, No, you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't give a fuck about because I know Mike
Speaker 1: brought up the Jews this episode, or at least her
Speaker 1: character art this episode.
Speaker 2: You didn't find that intriguing at all.
Speaker 4: I think there is the potential for something intriguing, it's
Speaker 4: just and that's why I feel like this episode was
Speaker 4: so incomplete. Like I feel like they are challenging Jewels
Speaker 4: in a way that could be interesting, like with her
Speaker 4: identity when it comes to her art, and her identity
Speaker 4: when it comes to her relationship with this guy, and
Speaker 4: what life could look for her as a trans woman.
Speaker 4: And I think they have the POTENTI Chill to do
Speaker 4: some really good stuff, but it's just not fleshed out
Speaker 4: and they're not doing it. And they're just showing her
Speaker 4: in this apartment like let me see some more fashion
Speaker 4: or something like give me something. I don't want to
Speaker 4: see her in a t shirt, slopping around painting. That's it, like,
Speaker 4: give me aund It's yeah, It's just like I feel
Speaker 4: like they have the ability and and I've seen with
Speaker 4: her and Rue was really good without saying a whole lot,
Speaker 4: but I still want more about Jewels. Jewels was such
Speaker 4: a strong character and the stuff that she's been going
Speaker 4: through has been so complex for her to be so stagnant,
Speaker 4: it's weird.
Speaker 2: You didn't.
Speaker 1: You didn't find the fact that she put hands on
Speaker 1: Ruth to be like, wow, her real life.
Speaker 10: The campus, the campus did a better fellow, her a
Speaker 10: better job.
Speaker 2: That's terrible.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, for that, it was funny.
Speaker 3: Let for a minute, it was funny.
Speaker 4: Really hit me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're know this. Basically, I think she was
Speaker 2: a little shocked, really get hit her.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen nobody shot getting hit like that since
Speaker 1: Taraji was shocked Tyree hit her baby boy.
Speaker 2: That was yeah.
Speaker 1: But my my thing with this is I did like
Speaker 1: that scene because it was like, it seems like, you
Speaker 1: know how always talking about the hierarchy of yelling at someone,
Speaker 1: like someone my boss was at me, I yelled at
Speaker 1: my employee, that kind of thing. I felt like Jules
Speaker 1: was doing that because she got this last episode by
Speaker 1: her guy, and now she's putting that anger and frustration
Speaker 1: and honestly, honestly anxiety onto rue with that hit, Cause
Speaker 1: it's like everything ru was saying was real.
Speaker 2: Talk like he like, what do you what do you own?
Speaker 2: What do you claim? What do you have?
Speaker 3: What do you like?
Speaker 1: You're doing all these things for somebody else who could
Speaker 1: take it all the way?
Speaker 2: He only he don't care about you. He's just trying
Speaker 2: to fuck you.
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting, But I also feel like,
Speaker 1: at the same time, Mike, let me know if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: They keep having the same conversation.
Speaker 1: They can have the same conversation for like the last
Speaker 1: three four episodes, like do you want me? Do it
Speaker 1: like if you want me to show me? Or if
Speaker 1: you don't want me, then why.
Speaker 2: Are you here? Type ship? It's like do they not
Speaker 2: have more to talk about?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I think she's just trying to give They don't because
Speaker 2: they haven't moved.
Speaker 1: Mike, I'm sorry, just don't care.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just got to accept I ain't know you said, Mike,
Speaker 2: my bad the question though, where did you ask?
Speaker 1: I was saying, like, I feel like they're having the
Speaker 1: same conversation over and over in a different way, but
Speaker 1: it's the same one.
Speaker 6: It's like, yes, yes, yes, So you said, do they
Speaker 6: have anything else talk about?
Speaker 2: The answer is absolutely not.
Speaker 6: And I think that's the problem that I have with
Speaker 6: the writing, especially with this season, of what they've been
Speaker 6: doing with Jewels. They're relegating Jewels to a side character
Speaker 6: that is only there to benefit Rue.
Speaker 2: That entire scene that happened.
Speaker 6: This episode, it was only so they could show how
Speaker 6: good of an actor ru is when she gets in
Speaker 6: the elevator and she's crying, because.
Speaker 2: It did not even seem like something that Jewels would do.
Speaker 6: I can see, I can see Jewels getting upset, and
Speaker 6: I can see Jewels getting hurt. I cannot see Jewles
Speaker 6: smacking the shit out of Rule like that and then saying,
Speaker 6: get the fuck out of my painting. That seemed that
Speaker 6: seemed like Nate. That seemed like a Nate line. That
Speaker 6: didn't seem like Jewles. Now, it didn't seem so out
Speaker 6: of character for Jewels where I was like, this is
Speaker 6: bad writing. The way I'm looking at Nate, it just
Speaker 6: seemed like You're gonna have to give me more of
Speaker 6: what this is.
Speaker 2: How leave well not even necessarily Nick, how we got here.
Speaker 6: There has to be a big payoff for this because
Speaker 6: I'm already of the opinion that ru is gonna die
Speaker 6: by the end of this season. So whether it's by
Speaker 6: Od or whether it's going to be one of them
Speaker 6: kills her, this scene has to lead to something that
Speaker 6: leads to that.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Like if she Od's at the end, because we all
Speaker 6: know that she looks at Jewels like jewels is you know,
Speaker 6: her version of whatever drug she was on. I forget
Speaker 6: what it was, heroin, whatever drug she was on, is
Speaker 6: that's how she looks at jewels. So for Jewels to
Speaker 6: completely abandon her like this and put hands on her,
Speaker 6: this has to be something big for her. And I
Speaker 6: don't mean like I'm gonna go find God. If that's
Speaker 6: all this is, then fuck this show. If this ends with, oh,
Speaker 6: Jewles just found Jesus. Now she's going to church, get
Speaker 6: the fuck out of here, Sam Levinson, fuck you. This
Speaker 6: has to lead to something a lot bigger, nothing bigger.
Speaker 2: Than my Jesus. Are you all about to say that?
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: That's right, Mike, Did you mean jewels or you mean
Speaker 2: Rude finding God.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I meant to say thank you. I meant
Speaker 6: to say Rude finding God. Yeah, Jews bet not find God.
Speaker 6: That would be weird.
Speaker 2: And ship.
Speaker 6: What you think about the same, Lou.
Speaker 2: I think the conversation has been had several times. I
Speaker 2: agree with you. However, I think they keep having it
Speaker 2: because they haven't come to a resolution. Like she's she's
Speaker 2: she's trying to push Rue to a place where Rue
Speaker 2: will commit to her. I feel like, and she's staying
Speaker 2: with this guy and doing this thing because that's the
Speaker 2: best for her right now. I think when they're having
Speaker 2: this conversation, he's doing the pain, and she's telling Ru
Speaker 2: about the things that she wants. She's even the door
Speaker 2: open for Ruder to be like, well, I can do
Speaker 2: or want to do those things, So I try to
Speaker 2: do those things with you. And Rue never steps up
Speaker 2: and does it, even when the conversation that had last
Speaker 2: time and she was asking her do you want to
Speaker 2: come to the shower with me? And she's trying to
Speaker 2: push Rude to be more aggressive, to be more directing
Speaker 2: what she wants from her, and their relationship is just
Speaker 2: in this stagnant point, and I think that's why they
Speaker 2: keep having this conversation. And I do think that Jeules
Speaker 2: would smack her in this situation because I feel like
Speaker 2: this maybe the end of it. This felt like a
Speaker 2: real final conversation, And no, she normally wouldn't do this.
Speaker 2: I agree with you might get her character. However, I
Speaker 2: did feel like when this, I'm not sure we see
Speaker 2: Jewels again, like if we only got two episodes she said,
Speaker 2: we only got two episodes less, and this is her
Speaker 2: final stand. Then the smack makes sense kind of because
Speaker 2: she's finally tired of Ruth's sitting and she's going to
Speaker 2: accept the life that she's been given.
Speaker 6: Do you think she really wants Rude to do that?
Speaker 6: Because Ruth was offering to do that this episode. I
Speaker 6: think she's playing with it. Oh really, I read it.
Speaker 6: I read it differently. I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I took it that. Yes, she's been pushing Rue for
Speaker 4: all two three seasons to be open about how she felt,
Speaker 4: and I think Ruth finally did. Like Ruth said, she
Speaker 4: saw a life with her. She pretty much asked the
Speaker 4: girl to marry her, and I think Jewles has to
Speaker 4: accept that, like you're an addict? Am I actually going
Speaker 4: to be able to have a life with you, which
Speaker 4: has always been her issue with Ruth. So I personally
Speaker 4: feel like this was her saying like, I can't have
Speaker 4: a life with you. I'm stuck up with this in
Speaker 4: this penthouse, with this crazy man, with this whole family.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I feel like Jewles is stuck and she
Speaker 4: can't get what she wants from any of these situations.
Speaker 4: Hence while she slapped her out of frustration. So I
Speaker 4: agree that I think that this is kind of going
Speaker 4: to be the last we see of Jewels until something
Speaker 4: climactic happens, because she can't really have the life she
Speaker 4: wants with Rue. Is she can't make a life out
Speaker 4: of what she's.
Speaker 2: Doing, So I gotta ask.
Speaker 6: So, okay, so for you and Spike, So they said
Speaker 6: that Jewless or Rue has been cleaned for a while
Speaker 6: and Rue is now presenting what y'all seem to think
Speaker 6: Jules has wanted, So why isn't Jules even remotely entertaining it?
Speaker 6: She laughed at her, and Ruth seemed very serious about
Speaker 6: like I want a life with you. I can make
Speaker 6: this work, and Jeules just like, really with me, Like
Speaker 6: why is she dismissive of it.
Speaker 2: I feel like I would have sorry name real quick.
Speaker 1: I feel like the things that Ruth said of why
Speaker 1: she wants to have that life, to me weren't compelling
Speaker 1: enough to be like, Okay, this means that you're serious.
Speaker 2: This means that you're ready to handle it, because I.
Speaker 1: Think Jules was questioned like a you're asking for things
Speaker 1: that like are you sure this is what you want?
Speaker 1: And Rus just like, I just need something that's bigger
Speaker 1: than me because right now I feel very selfish. I'll
Speaker 1: be making a lot of decisions just based off myself.
Speaker 1: And if I have a kid or i've had this
Speaker 1: people depend on me, then I can like level up.
Speaker 1: And I think Jewles was like that sounds like bullshit.
Speaker 1: I don't know did you get that from that or
Speaker 1: was it something else?
Speaker 4: I think that sounds like bullshit. And then we also
Speaker 4: have to remember the last time we remember them together,
Speaker 4: like the way that Jewles just went off on her
Speaker 4: and when she was in her spiral. So I need
Speaker 4: the impression that they really hadn't dealt with each other
Speaker 4: much since then. So to me, if I was Jules,
Speaker 4: I really don't believe anything you say because the last
Speaker 4: time you got in my face and told me I
Speaker 4: was dead to you and I saw you at your worst,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if I can deal with that.
Speaker 2: I guess I feel what y'all are saying.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, I think there's nothing worse
Speaker 6: than when someone asks you for something over and over
Speaker 6: and over again, and then when you finally give in
Speaker 6: to give it to them, they're like, I don't want
Speaker 6: it no more. That's my first issue with Jules. My
Speaker 6: second issue with Jules is I feel like, and me included,
Speaker 6: I feel like a lot of us forget that before
Speaker 6: even though Rue didn't really know the extent of the relationship.
Speaker 6: Jeweles did cheat on Rue the last season, and I
Speaker 6: do think that Rue figured it out when she was
Speaker 6: going off on her. So it's not like Jules has
Speaker 6: been the best girlfriend or the best partner. So it
Speaker 6: just seems odd that in this season she's finally she
Speaker 6: being rude, is finally just like, look, I want to
Speaker 6: commit to you, and then Jules laughs about it. It
Speaker 6: just seems like Jules is playing with her, just playing
Speaker 6: with her and knowing that she can string her along.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 1: There is that side, but I also feel like, as
Speaker 1: the audiences we know a lot. If Jules knew what
Speaker 1: we knew, she would still be laughing because Rul can't
Speaker 1: even be a She can't even commit to being a snitch.
Speaker 7: Like so she told about you want to commit to me,
Speaker 7: like do one of these jobs good?
Speaker 3: First?
Speaker 2: Are you a drug dealer? Are you a stitch?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you a Christian? He's just trying to get by man.
Speaker 1: But but I'm just saying, like, like the things that
Speaker 1: we're seeing from Ru is asking like, be careful what
Speaker 1: you asked for a lot with Ruby because it's like
Speaker 1: you asking for this, but you can't even juggle the
Speaker 1: ship that you got yet you want to invite Jules
Speaker 1: into Like imagine if Jules said, yes, I'll be a
Speaker 1: part of you. Then Rue tells everything she's into and
Speaker 1: she's like, hey, nah, you should have told me this.
Speaker 2: Left can't judge.
Speaker 6: She's in a situation much worse.
Speaker 2: But she in the penthouse crime Like she ain't cleaning pig.
Speaker 6: She wouldn't have wrapped up like a chiloopa nick. She
Speaker 6: can't say anything to Rue about what's going on with her.
Speaker 1: She well, at least she ain't watching some six foot
Speaker 1: nigga wearing a five nine Nigga pants making some five.
Speaker 2: Like were playing her Olympics right now. It's like they don't.
Speaker 1: If anything, they should have proved that because again we're
Speaker 1: the audience, so we know everything.
Speaker 2: But they shouldn't be together. No, they shouldn't. They shouldn't,
Speaker 2: they shouldn't, which is.
Speaker 1: Why I get like, I guess for me, it's just
Speaker 1: like having this question asked over and over again.
Speaker 2: It's like, haven't y'all figured out that it's a no?
Speaker 1: Yeah, m hmm, But I guess. I think we'll still
Speaker 1: see jewels between these next episode. I think she's too
Speaker 1: she's too much of a character to to me, especially
Speaker 1: because we don't know how Cousin is gonna act. Because
Speaker 1: I think there's another scene with Ellis, the guy that
Speaker 1: her sugar daddy. I feel like there's one more scene
Speaker 1: with them that could be a tipping point that will
Speaker 1: leave us on a cliffhanger. But shut up, Like, but
Speaker 1: before we wrap up, Uh.
Speaker 2: This was all this a ride.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was a rider in the room,
Speaker 1: but this was heavy on Jesus talk Christian.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of Bibles, there's a lot of Bible.
Speaker 1: References, and it's like she was in the she was
Speaker 1: in the church by herself, but that was one of
Speaker 1: the best cinematography like scenes.
Speaker 2: I think how they shot that. And then she literally
Speaker 2: see a burning bush. That was crazy.
Speaker 5: I looked over the nare like was that a burning bush?
Speaker 3: But but no, I like that.
Speaker 5: I think they killed that the whole like church scene
Speaker 5: and stuff especially, like you know, just you start to
Speaker 5: think like is it gonna be another first moment?
Speaker 3: Then we end up seeing her at the end. I
Speaker 3: thought that was really dope.
Speaker 5: So that was that was a major surprise, but I
Speaker 5: didn't think she was still a part of the show.
Speaker 5: So so nah, man, they did a really good job
Speaker 5: and that and and this this scene, man is where
Speaker 5: I was like, man, you know, how.
Speaker 3: Doesn't that get so good? Like when did this happen?
Speaker 5: Like like she is really really talented and in this
Speaker 5: to be able to execute a scene like that because
Speaker 5: they uh, because I did see behind the scenes they
Speaker 5: say they weren't talking.
Speaker 3: To each other in that moment or whatever. So she
Speaker 3: was just.
Speaker 5: Straight like kind of improvab not not improv but like
Speaker 5: the straight just kind of going through the dialogue right
Speaker 5: there or whatever. So yeah, man, that that man, she
Speaker 5: killed that.
Speaker 6: Wait, sorry, Rob, what scene you talking about? Who wasn't
Speaker 6: talking to each other and.
Speaker 5: In the in the in the in the in the
Speaker 5: cathedral or whatever talking. Yeah, yeah, that wasn't an actual
Speaker 5: conversation that they were having amongst each other.
Speaker 3: They just was reading reading dialogue. And for her to
Speaker 3: have that much emotion with nobody on the other end
Speaker 3: of the phone was was amazing.
Speaker 9: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: When were your thoughts on on the heavy religious theme
Speaker 1: of this episode name.
Speaker 4: I think that it makes sense for somebody, during somebody's
Speaker 4: like a like like sobriety story to get to a
Speaker 4: point where you need some sort of like redemption resolved,
Speaker 4: like to be absolved of the sense of the things
Speaker 4: that you feel like you've done wrong, and to look
Speaker 4: to religion for that or just to cling to something
Speaker 4: to make sense of everything that you're going through. So
Speaker 4: I think that from from the perspective and the character
Speaker 4: of Rule, it makes sense for her to be at
Speaker 4: this point in her journey where she's looking for something deeper.
Speaker 4: And I think that the way that they did it
Speaker 4: today is today is like she needed how Oscar moment,
Speaker 4: she got it like this scene like or in me
Speaker 4: whatever the award is but like the scenes that they
Speaker 4: gave her in this episode in particular, and even just
Speaker 4: like the way she walked surround is rude. When she's
Speaker 4: like with with Alimo Brown and them, like she just
Speaker 4: looks like a completely different person then she and then
Speaker 4: she does in person and any other characters, like she
Speaker 4: really embodies this and seeing the pain and like she
Speaker 4: she it was. It was it was visually, it was beautiful.
Speaker 4: What she was talking about was beautiful. The way she
Speaker 4: performed it was beautiful. I thought it was really good.
Speaker 4: They could have did without the burning bush. For me,
Speaker 4: it was a little bit too on the nose. I
Speaker 4: that I don't I don't know where they was going
Speaker 4: with that. So as much as I like that scene,
Speaker 4: I was kind.
Speaker 2: Of like, too much.
Speaker 4: What has gotta be that dramatic?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yo, you had the same thoughts. Loo No, I liked.
Speaker 2: I liked the cathedral scene with her mom. I would
Speaker 2: have preferred that they cut some fat somewhere else and
Speaker 2: we saw the interaction between her mom and the bodyguard. Dude.
Speaker 2: I thought there would have been some real good TV.
Speaker 2: But she just I know she's not in the cast
Speaker 2: scene for this season, but I thought that would have
Speaker 2: been good either before the call, after the call, they
Speaker 2: had just panned over to them a few short words.
Speaker 2: I think that goes a long way for us to
Speaker 2: viewers and be like, damn, what happened there? We're even
Speaker 2: giving us some of the dialogue from me, and I
Speaker 2: thought that would have been really cool. But I do
Speaker 2: agree with y'all. She was in there was a body
Speaker 2: in it. From an acting standpoint, in that system, the
Speaker 2: last scene from a religious standpoint, the cathedral on the
Speaker 2: phone worked. That was great, But the last scene in
Speaker 2: the burning bush, I didn't. I didn't like it at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, and Mike, I know you probably agree
Speaker 1: with this, but Zendaya's probably again having a phenomenal year
Speaker 1: as an actor, and I think this show she's if
Speaker 1: she's not carrying this show, she's at least doing that.
Speaker 2: Hell Like like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see how we're even able to have conversations
Speaker 1: about other side characters and all that, because it's like
Speaker 1: they're not even matching anything that today they like you
Speaker 1: talked about having other people are just given twenty percent?
Speaker 1: Why can you explain any wise? And Day is given
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten for this show.
Speaker 2: I don't think she can't help it exactly. I think
Speaker 2: she she can't help it. Yep, like she's in her
Speaker 2: bag and everything that she's been doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with's like a hundred. Well just on
Speaker 6: that aspect of, yeah, she can't help, but be this good.
Speaker 6: I don't even think she has to try at this point.
Speaker 2: She's just that good. Uh.
Speaker 6: As far as the thing with Bishop, I don't know
Speaker 6: that I needed that because I don't know if I
Speaker 6: believe Bishop. I believe that he knows. I believe Bishop
Speaker 6: knows who her mother is. I believe Bishop knows the
Speaker 6: name of her mother and where her mother lives. I
Speaker 6: don't know if Bishop actually already visited her. I don't know,
Speaker 6: because there's not there's not really a reason for him
Speaker 6: to have done that yet. But I could see why
Speaker 6: he would threaten it, so I know she go ahead's money.
Speaker 2: I think that he did just from the snake story.
Speaker 2: I thought the snake story was relevant to him going
Speaker 2: to see her mom. It's like, I don't know what's
Speaker 2: going on. Like I think he's telling me, I don't
Speaker 2: know what's going on with you. But we are doing
Speaker 2: the research. We're making sure that everything checks out, and
Speaker 2: you're thinking that you may be sliding by, but eventually
Speaker 2: you're gonna get eight, like the snake story that he told.
Speaker 2: So I think him saying I went to go see
Speaker 2: your mom and them having a conversation because her mom
Speaker 2: wasn't talking to her, like say, they hadn't had a conversation.
Speaker 2: She didn't even think that was her calling. She thought
Speaker 2: it was the cops, which I'm sure you know I
Speaker 2: have to repeat that. However, even her mom calling her
Speaker 2: out of the blue and her happening to be in
Speaker 2: the church, I thought all of that was really good,
Speaker 2: and I think seeing what that sparked from would have
Speaker 2: been good for us as viewers, because her mom's not
Speaker 2: talking to her, and I think that Bishop visit what
Speaker 2: sparked the mom to be like, well, this random weird guy,
Speaker 2: come tell me my daughter is doing okay. And just
Speaker 2: seeing her mom's reaction and how she worried about Rue,
Speaker 2: knowing that she hasn't talked to her, that would have
Speaker 2: been really compelling for me.
Speaker 6: So the first thing is, I guess I believe you
Speaker 6: one hundred per I guess I don't remember that the
Speaker 6: mother called Rue. For some reason, I that Rue called
Speaker 6: the mother. But I'm sure you're right. I'm sure you're right.
Speaker 6: But I feel like if this weird dude, knowing what
Speaker 6: Rue has been up to in the past, if this
Speaker 6: weird dude came to her house and was just like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I just want to let you know that your daughter's okay,
Speaker 6: I feel like she would have said, like, Yo, this
Speaker 6: guy came by the house and was talking about you.
Speaker 2: I feel like she would have said that.
Speaker 6: Now we can understand also that the actress, I forget
Speaker 6: her name, Nina, I forget her last name. She's amazing too,
Speaker 6: but she wanted nothing to do with this. From what
Speaker 6: I can tell, I don't think that they had the
Speaker 6: opportunity or even the option to make this a longer scene.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, man.
Speaker 6: I just I feel like Bishop thinks that she's a rat,
Speaker 6: which is why he did the whole rat and the
Speaker 6: snake story. But I just don't know if he's telling
Speaker 6: the truth that I went and visited your mother and
Speaker 6: we had a conversation.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: He can do that without rebelling that he has any
Speaker 5: association or rule said one more time.
Speaker 3: He can do that without rebaling that he has any
Speaker 3: association or R do what just go tear or visit.
Speaker 3: He could come up as like a like a Jehovah's witches.
Speaker 6: No, he said, he said he told her that he
Speaker 6: was okay, he were doing well.
Speaker 2: Right. Oh I missed that part because I do agree.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he could have just popped by and just been like, hey,
Speaker 6: I just wanted to give you this pamphlet and then
Speaker 6: leave or whatever. But that's not what he did. That's
Speaker 6: not what he said he did. At least that's what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. I don't know if I believe his story
Speaker 6: all the way.
Speaker 2: I think that's what would have been so compelling about that,
Speaker 2: saying her just being completely confused because of what you said, Like,
Speaker 2: I know my child, I know the stuff that she
Speaker 2: gets into when you got this weird dude here telling
Speaker 2: me that she's doing okay, let me call her. I
Speaker 2: ain't talk to her when been in communication. Yeah, I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: And I could also see him relating to messages and
Speaker 2: you don't have to tell her I stopped by and
Speaker 2: her thinking and in danger if she does do it.
Speaker 2: I thought that I think that would have been really
Speaker 2: compelling TV.
Speaker 4: So I feel like this is another reason why I
Speaker 4: don't like this whole rat storyline, because you're doing all
Speaker 4: of these different things in your head that kind of
Speaker 4: makes the story better than it actually is. But what
Speaker 4: I will say is that remember, Rue has the cops
Speaker 4: in her phone as mom, and before they buried her,
Speaker 4: they took her phone. So that's why I thought put
Speaker 4: the two together that his mother, her mother called her,
Speaker 4: and Bishop was behind it in some kind of way
Speaker 4: to figure out if that number that's in her phone
Speaker 4: as mom is actually her mom.
Speaker 1: You think that Ruth deleted deleted that number because like
Speaker 1: remember because uh, this episode also has the cops not
Speaker 1: only watching the meet up between Laurie and Alamo, but
Speaker 1: Rue obviously recorded that conversation as well, so that they
Speaker 1: got it, they understand what the plan is. Do you
Speaker 1: think when they were under the bridge that night that
Speaker 1: Rude got rid of the number and just kept her
Speaker 1: mom's number, or she still had the boy's number even
Speaker 1: though the boys said, like you were doing for now.
Speaker 4: Before they met she met the cops under the bridge,
Speaker 4: some number was mom that was actually the cops was before.
Speaker 4: If she did delete it, they would have had it
Speaker 4: before that.
Speaker 2: God. Even when she answered she said that I thought
Speaker 2: this was someone else, so she still.
Speaker 1: Got the phone, so you think that also, so you'll
Speaker 1: think that Bishop knows for a fact she's a round.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but she has the number on
Speaker 2: her phone because when she answered, she said, I thought
Speaker 2: you were someone else, and the mom earlier had mom
Speaker 2: won beside it, this one just said mom. Also, I
Speaker 2: thought that cops scene was interesting in the sense of
Speaker 2: they never gave her a real answer, and usually when
Speaker 2: you a confidentional in form it, that's not how it goes.
Speaker 2: You don't get to tell and the case over when
Speaker 2: you leave. Now they have leverage on you and they
Speaker 2: start using you for other cases. So I think it's
Speaker 2: interesting that they were very vague and when she was like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's over, and they were like, well, we'll let you know,
Speaker 2: Like something else is going to come from that. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, I thought that was.
Speaker 5: To your point though, like how they when they say
Speaker 5: we'll let you know, when you said that, yeah, you're
Speaker 5: always going to be a slash.
Speaker 3: They can always come back. Yeah, Yeah, that's how I
Speaker 3: took that.
Speaker 2: Yeah me too. Okay, so we want to say, but yeah,
Speaker 2: they ain't letting her go.
Speaker 6: Did we talk about the I know a couple of
Speaker 6: folks did. Did everybody already talk about the burning bush thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, seem like yeah, I was the only one that
Speaker 2: didn't everybody. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't talk.
Speaker 3: I guess I didn't talk on it.
Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead, Ron, I'll go after you.
Speaker 3: I know they said it was a little bit on
Speaker 3: the nose, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know if I thought it was
Speaker 5: too much of the nose because I don't know if
Speaker 5: they were saying it in the sense of the burning
Speaker 5: bush and the the uh, the reasoning behind it, because
Speaker 5: I felt like it was more so it's a sign,
Speaker 5: like it was almost like a sign for her, like okay,
Speaker 5: am I actually on the right path of doing all
Speaker 5: this stuff? Like I don't know, like like it just
Speaker 5: it does leave it up for question, like whether whether
Speaker 5: she's on the right path or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like this scene. I thought it was cool.
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously we're not supposed to I know none
Speaker 6: of y'all are saying this, but obviously we're not supposed
Speaker 6: to think that this is reality that you know, she
Speaker 6: really fell out the car and there was a burning bush.
Speaker 6: But I think for someone like Rue that's always looking
Speaker 6: for something. You know, she went to Jules because she
Speaker 6: thought Jewels was a something.
Speaker 2: Jewles pimps laughter. She left, and now she's still looking
Speaker 2: for this thing.
Speaker 6: And she's been talking about Jesus since the first episode.
Speaker 6: So I think her falling out of the car and
Speaker 6: then just seeing this sign that tells her that she has.
Speaker 2: Some sort of bigger purpose. I just don't know what
Speaker 2: that bigger purpose is.
Speaker 6: And that's the reason I do kind of agree with
Speaker 6: Rob that it wasn't too on the nose, because if
Speaker 6: we look up the story of what the burning bush was,
Speaker 6: what are they going to do with that here? You know, like,
Speaker 6: is she going to be the leader for one of
Speaker 6: these groups? Is she going to be the you know,
Speaker 6: the common denominator between Alamo and Laurie. Is she going
Speaker 6: to be the one that gets them to stop fighting.
Speaker 6: I don't know what this whole burning bush thing even
Speaker 6: means in respect to this show. So the way it ended,
Speaker 6: I actually felt really intrigued, like more intrigued.
Speaker 2: Than I felt with Euphoria in a long time.
Speaker 6: So I'm really curious to see where they go with
Speaker 6: this because I thought her almost dying by getting hit
Speaker 6: with the car pulling off and then seeing that, I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, I'll fuck with this. I thought it
Speaker 6: was good. Yeah, I mean I still fuck with the show.
Speaker 1: I just thought that, like, all right, we already had
Speaker 1: her in church and had it, you know, we finally
Speaker 1: got to see her mama for the first time in
Speaker 1: a long time. That that was enough for me. So
Speaker 1: anything on top of that was just like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is just to drive.
Speaker 2: The point home.
Speaker 1: But I do believe that there will be some awakening
Speaker 1: for Rue by the time we get to the end
Speaker 1: of the season. I just don't know if it will
Speaker 1: be the thing that she's again what she's really asking for.
Speaker 1: Like I think she's she's looking for something to give
Speaker 1: her purpose in a positive direction, but clearly she's been
Speaker 1: doing a lot of negative shit. And I think she
Speaker 1: also mentioned in this episode she was like, it's hard
Speaker 1: to think about progressing when you keep reflecting on all
Speaker 1: the bad you've done, you know, And I feel like
Speaker 1: that was something of a cute I was gonna let
Speaker 1: us know, like, Okay, this is still going to be
Speaker 1: a big struggle for her.
Speaker 6: But you have to also remember that that scene directly
Speaker 6: followed or maybe not directly follow but it came after
Speaker 6: the cops telling her she did a good job, and
Speaker 6: then she said, like no one ever tells me that,
Speaker 6: like no one ever compliments Rue.
Speaker 2: Rue is a perpetual fuck up.
Speaker 6: So I thought it was interesting that she is looking
Speaker 6: for some kind of positive sign, but it followed right
Speaker 6: after the cops telling her she did a really good job.
Speaker 2: You really think she going die this season?
Speaker 6: Yes, I think I think she's gonna die at the
Speaker 6: end of the season, and either they're gonna pick the
Speaker 6: story up with someone else or they're just gonna end
Speaker 6: the show. But they it seems like what they're doing
Speaker 6: right now doesn't doesn't lead to a third wait, fifth
Speaker 6: or fifth. Fourth season doesn't lead to a fourth season.
Speaker 6: It just doesn't make any sense. I think Root needs
Speaker 6: to die, Roo needs to die, Nate needs to die,
Speaker 6: The show needs to die.
Speaker 2: Honestly, if I'm.
Speaker 11: Where else they can go the way they're going with
Speaker 11: this show, they're gonna have her down across somehow, somewhere.
Speaker 11: It's gonna be needles in her arm, not nails.
Speaker 2: Mike had a burning bush on the four oh five.
Speaker 1: Randomly, it wasn't no lightning, no nothing, something gonna happen. Well,
Speaker 1: it sounds like we're all still intrigued with the upcoming
Speaker 1: y'all know my favorite word, penultimate episode of the season.
Speaker 2: Uh next week. I think.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to I'm willing to go on a limb
Speaker 1: and say that they're going to stick some kind of
Speaker 1: landing here. I think they got a lot of ship
Speaker 1: that's up in the air. I understand it's going against them,
Speaker 1: and we all know about the vacccine production hell that
Speaker 1: they've gone through to make this season, but I feel
Speaker 1: like with everything we just talked about, it has to
Speaker 1: end on like some type of crazy Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: Like I can't wait for the next season if there
Speaker 1: is one.
Speaker 2: No, I think they'll make it safe.
Speaker 6: They know that there might not be another season, so
Speaker 6: they're gonna make it to where the story is fairly
Speaker 6: wrapped up, but they could potentially stretch it out if
Speaker 6: they if they can.
Speaker 9: Uh, oh.
Speaker 2: To gods.
Speaker 12: Today, I just got a quick question for y'all, Like
Speaker 12: Lavers put out a song like this week and they
Speaker 12: like still fits the theme over before it has the
Speaker 12: music still been taking all out because when you.
Speaker 1: Released that song, it made it even more evident for
Speaker 1: me this like this episode.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I don't like the music and
Speaker 4: I don't like this cowboy western thing that they're doing,
Speaker 4: and they land they stuck with really heavy, like drawing
Speaker 4: out a lot of I don't, I don't. I'm not
Speaker 4: feeling that I don't like western, So that wasn't that
Speaker 4: wasn't doing it for me, and then kind of fits
Speaker 4: that theme and I'm not here for it that to.
Speaker 2: Your point, like they haven't made it.
Speaker 1: I know they're in California and they're they're showing the
Speaker 1: greater California area as opposed to the first two seasons
Speaker 1: where it was like city life suburban life. But like
Speaker 1: even when they started this episode with Alamo, it was
Speaker 1: heavy cowboy.
Speaker 2: Influences and all the other shit. I was like, come on, bro,
Speaker 2: we getting They said that in the beginning of the
Speaker 2: season it was supposed to be spaghetti western heavily influenced,
Speaker 2: and that's it's not working. And to your points, you
Speaker 2: had to know the song, like the songs were part
Speaker 2: of it, and I know we said this, that was part
Speaker 2: of the experience of watching this show, just like it
Speaker 2: is with Insecure, and they just completely stripped it down
Speaker 2: of that and you can totally tell.
Speaker 1: But it's crazy because Hans Zimmer is supposed to be
Speaker 1: doing the score or the music for the Saint. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like that motherfucker got like twenty Academy Awards, like yeah,
Speaker 1: like not real, but I guess like you getting a
Speaker 1: sixty plus year old white man to score a millennial
Speaker 1: show like.
Speaker 2: Choice, if y'all get a change.
Speaker 12: I got that new Labor song because it is Western,
Speaker 12: but it does sound more like you for you, like
Speaker 12: you just listening just like this would.
Speaker 2: Actually I think you did it on purpose.
Speaker 3: He released it just.
Speaker 2: To be like, this is the idea I had and
Speaker 2: he just couldn't. Like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: What y'all could have had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's his name?
Speaker 6: La Labor. I'm not interested in digging into their beef.
Speaker 6: It's just like at this point, I just don't care.
Speaker 6: We're not getting Labyrinth songs in the show anymore. So
Speaker 6: it's just like, but I do think they them picking
Speaker 6: Hans Zimmer, They've probably thought by name it would make sense,
Speaker 6: but it's not making sense.
Speaker 4: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: The Labyrinth is dope though. Any other thoughts on this episode.
Speaker 3: No, really not for me, damn.
Speaker 2: Im I get it.
Speaker 6: You ain't gonna speak and say I don't have no thoughts.
Speaker 6: That says something. I don't have no thoughts.
Speaker 11: Hey, they done with your as, Mike, that's what.
Speaker 1: Well we well those are ours and rods thoughts.
Speaker 2: Please let us know what you guys think.
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Speaker 1: on next week's episode. We got too left As we
Speaker 1: wrap up this season, let us again, please please let
Speaker 1: us know your thoughts and theories.
Speaker 2: But we out peace,