1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Line from Baal Heartland and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: So the case is little versus Hecocks, and they're arguing 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: it in front of the Supreme Kurt. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 3: Your identity does not matter in sports, and that's why 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 3: Idaho's law does not classify on the basis of gender identity. 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 3: It treats all males equally and all females equally, regardless 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: of identity, and its purpose is exactly what the legislator said, 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: preserving women's equal opportunity. In fact, it's our friends on 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: the other side who want to classify based on gender identity. 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be here, Good 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: to be with you. This is an argument that the left, 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: thank Goodness, is losing. 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: And I want to remind you that all. 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: Those people who said, what's wrong with you Republicans and 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: you're always involved in these culture war is in everything 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: about you as a culture war? Damn straight, ten thousand 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: percent Yes, and we're gonna win it, and we have to. 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: Ensure that we keep winning it. What is the culture war? 20 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: Boys are not girls and girls are not boys, and 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: we need to protect women. It's boys we need to 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: protect women all over the place because ay, that's what 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: men do. Some people get offended by that. That is 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: not about weakness. That is about a responsibility that should 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: be ingrained in the DNA of men. 26 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: And if it's not, we are doing ourselves a massive disservice. 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: But it's about recognizing that if you say men can 28 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: be in women's sports, women now have to take a 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: back seat to men. Never mind, women are going to 30 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: be violently harmed because men, by and large are stronger than. 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,279 Speaker 2: Women in almost every case. 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: And if we're going to compare professional to professional, men 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: are always stronger and always faster because that's the physiology, 34 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: that's the biology, and it cannot be changed. So there 35 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: are these cases right now taking place in front of 36 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. One is West Virginia versus BPJ, a 37 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: fifteen year old high school student bp J publicly identifying 38 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: as female since. 39 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 2: Third grade was that eight eight year old's. 40 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: Eight year olds can't publicly identify as anything. It doesn't 41 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: matter what they say. So this fifteen year old is 42 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: taking medicine meaning puberty blockers, receiving hormone therapy and estrogen, 43 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: and the mother, who I think is a child abuser 44 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: going to the court on her child's behalf when she 45 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: learned that West Virginia law would bar this child from 46 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: participating on the girls middle school sports teams. That's correct, Well, Tony, 47 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: you're giving the kid all these things and they're not 48 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: going to engage puberty, so they won't have the advantage. 49 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: You think we should celebrate and support child abuse. Nah, 50 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: you let an eight year old decide their gender. 51 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: It's child abuse. You wouldn't let an eight year old 52 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: jump off the roof of the house because they thought 53 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 2: they could fly. 54 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: And it is the same. Don't tell me that the 55 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: belief isn't the same. But one hopes that one will 56 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: grow out of the belief, and one does not allow 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: your child to jump off the roof. 58 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: Even if you only have a single story. 59 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: House, because your job is to protect your child more 60 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 1: often than not from themselves. 61 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:39,559 Speaker 2: That's one case. The other case is little versus. 62 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: Heacocks filing a lawsuit trying to try out for a 63 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: women's track and cross country team at Boise State University 64 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: in Hi To, Idaho. 65 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: Right, and who is allowed on these teams? 66 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: So Idaho has the Fairness of Women's Sports Act, first 67 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: of the kind in the US imposes a flat ban 68 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: and participation transgender women and girls on women and girls 69 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: sports team because transgender women and girls are not women, 70 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: they're men. And so who you heard from was Alan 71 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: Hurst at the beginning, the idahost listener general. And now 72 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: we have got members of the court like Sonya Soto 73 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: mayor asking questions. 74 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: That's the state interest Kaban. 75 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 4: The state interests was an ensuring that only children with 76 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 4: active parents, let's say, were given a state benefit. 77 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, and Caban was a was struck down facially. 78 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: The statute was considered unjustified. How about Lear? In Lear, 79 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: we had the same that we had. That's the opposite. 80 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: That's the subclass the people who were excluded in Leir, 81 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: the court said the law would be justified with respect 82 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: to you, you know, plaintiff. And because the law would 83 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 3: be justified with respect to you, you are not able 84 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: to challenge the law elsewhere. 85 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 4: So how about them? That astinction doesn't make any sense 86 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 4: to me. It's still an exception. It's a subclass of 87 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 4: people who are covered by the law and others or not. 88 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 4: That's what we said. 89 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: Yes, this is going to break down via a left 90 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: right conversation You're going to see Sana Mayor and Kagan 91 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: and Katanji Brown Jackson try and make what I think 92 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 1: is a rather radical argument that somehow harm is being 93 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: done if boys can't say that they are girls and 94 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: therefore participate. I, of course, being a rational person, yes, 95 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: I would state that if that was their argument, that 96 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: is irrational. I would state it quite differently. To engage 97 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: mental illness in a way that forces other people to 98 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: change their actions and descriptions of normalcy because of it 99 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: is in and of itself, not only an obscene act, 100 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: is a violation of the other's rights. Because this is 101 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: what is being asked of us as a society. What 102 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: is being asked of us is you should turn your 103 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: back on facts, logic, and reason. 104 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: You should turn your back on data. 105 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: You should turn your back on children because you're allowing 106 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: for these children to be abused, medically abused, something we 107 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: would never allow in any other pretext. And you are 108 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: telling the people that they must dumb themselves down and 109 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: ignore their own eyes, that they being violated because it 110 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: is a violation is acceptable. 111 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: And I would argue the violation is. 112 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: Not to just those who are a part of it, 113 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: but those who then experience it. So it's a sporting 114 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: event and you say, this boy can claim to be 115 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: a girl and then participate. So first you have the 116 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: abuse to the child themselves, because you are buying into. 117 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: A known lie. That's what's happening. 118 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: Adults are lying to children saying, oh, you'll feel so 119 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: much better, Oh you would be so much happier. 120 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: As we know from people like. 121 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: Chloe Cole, that's not what happens. And when that is 122 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: the case, that it does not happen, the happiness does 123 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: not come. Everybody abandons this child when they want to 124 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: transition back, or then when they want to say I 125 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: don't want any part of this, because the leftist culture 126 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: says no more drugs, more psychotherapy. 127 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: More of this. 128 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 5: More that. 129 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to a therapist. 130 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: I am opposed to abusive therapists, though you better believe that. 131 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: So it is first things first, wrong to the child 132 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: in question. Then you are abusing all those within this 133 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: athletic competition, whoever didn't get a spot on the squad 134 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: because it went to a boy instead of a girl. 135 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: It's an inequal bit of competition. Then all those children 136 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: who now have to participate, the boy knowing that the 137 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: boy is stronger or faster, because the physical reality is 138 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: the reality and it doesn't change. 139 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: Then all of the mental anguish for having. 140 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: To deal with the fact that this is happening and 141 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: you have to explain it to your kid and explain 142 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: that this one explained it to that one. Then there 143 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: is the non participant, the viewer, who now has to 144 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: watch this unfair contest. 145 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: And you say to you, well, you don't have to watch. 146 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: So now you say that I have this right not 147 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: to participate. Why is it that the participants have the 148 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: right don't have the right to say we won't participate 149 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: with so and so. Well, they said the same thing 150 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: about black people. You're not making the same argument. I 151 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: didn't say. 152 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: That the Uh. 153 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: If a boy is participating in boys track right one 154 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: hundred meters dash and the boy figs of himself in 155 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: any which way, dresses any which way, engages any which way, 156 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: still a boy. If the boy is black, if the 157 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: boy is white, if the boy is Asian, the boy 158 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: is hispanic. If the boy is gay, straight, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, 159 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: the X Y chromosome is still at play. So everything 160 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: else doesn't matter. That's all affect it is the fundamental 161 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: the underlying principle is what we're talking about here, and 162 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: what is being said is that we should not pay 163 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: attention to the underlying principle. We should only pay attention, 164 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: only pay attention to some decision made by a child 165 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: that has an effect on everyone else. 166 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: Katanji Brown Jackson is speaking. 167 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 6: She's going to say, I don't understand individual who says 168 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 6: what is happening in this law is that it is 169 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 6: treating someone who is transgender does not have because of 170 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 6: the medical interventions and the things that have been done, who. 171 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 5: Does not have the same threat to physical competition and 172 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 5: safety and all of the reasons that the state puts forward. 173 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 5: That's actually a different class, says this individual. So you're 174 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 5: not treating the class the same, and you're not how 175 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 5: do you respond to that? In other words, the as 176 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 5: applied challenge essentially redefines the class, or one could think 177 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 5: of it as that. And so what's wrong with that 178 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 5: number one? And how do you square that with our 179 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 5: holdings in Kaban, which Lair later described in this way. 180 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 5: In other words, Lair suggested that Caban was establishing that 181 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 5: as applied challenges of this nature do exist. 182 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 2: Certainly the take a second question. 183 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: First, Yes, Caban says, think about as applied. I know that, 184 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 3: Lair says later, this wasn't as applied case. But simply 185 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 3: reading Caban, it does not say that it simply applies intermedient. 186 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: I understand. 187 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 5: But those two cases were in juxtaposition with one another, 188 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 5: and Layer comes out the way it does, distinguishing Caban 189 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 5: on the basis that it's an as applied challenge and 190 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 5: we in Layer have a facial challenge and it's basically 191 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 5: the same facts. So if you're right that those two 192 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 5: cases can't come out the way they. 193 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: Do, I don't think so, your honor Again, Lair was 194 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 3: actually briefed as a standing argument of maybe you might 195 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: be able to argue that this law is overbroad, but 196 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 3: you individually are not in the overbroad part, and therefore 197 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 3: you don't get to challenge it. The court didn't you 198 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 3: standing language like express standing language in the opinion. 199 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: But that is the logic of the opinion, mister Hurst. 200 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 7: Yes, there's another way to think about the case. Your 201 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 7: friends on the other side posit, and that is that 202 00:11:55,080 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 7: transgender status should be conceived of as scretan insular class 203 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 7: subject to scrutiny, hide the scrutiny in and of itself. 204 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 7: Given the history of de jury discrimination against transgender individuals 205 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 7: in this country, over history in immigration and family law, 206 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 7: cross dressing statutes, they give a long land laundry list, 207 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 7: and I'd like you to respond to. 208 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 3: That, certainly on the jury discrimination point. Specifically, there has 209 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: been some discrimination against transitter people, significant discrimination against transmitter 210 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: people in the history of this country. The same can 211 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 3: be said of many groups. The same could have been 212 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: said of the mentally disabled in Cleve Burn et cetera, 213 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: et cetera. I think, just as Alito's concurrence in Scrematy 214 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 3: is helpful with this in saying this quasi suspect class 215 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: or suspect class process, what we're really looking for is 216 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 3: classes that look like race or like sex. And if 217 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: you compare the discrimination in this case where not one 218 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: of the laws they site actually classifies expressly on the 219 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: basis of transgender status. If we look at that history 220 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: and we compare it to the history of African Americans 221 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 3: and women who were not able to vote, who are 222 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 3: not able in property, who had expressed classifications based on 223 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 3: their status written into the law for most of this 224 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: country's history. These things don't compare. 225 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: I am, it's a very interesting take. 226 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: It was first it was Kitani Brown Jackson, and then 227 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: it was Neil Gorsuch, Supreme Court Justice. 228 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: You just heard. So the idea of the of the 229 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: class is that. 230 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: You are now allowing for discrimination of a class, of 231 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: a group of a set of people. The argument being 232 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: responded in response is this isn't discrimination. A standard is 233 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: not discrimination. And he utilizes, uh, the decision from from 234 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: Samuel Alito in Scoretti to come to this to come 235 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: to this conclusion. So that's the United States versus gr 236 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: Metti sk R M E T t I. 237 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: This is Tennessee law. 238 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: That would prohibit medical treatments for transgender miners, meaning you 239 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: can't mutilate children and what they held that's not subject 240 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: to heightened scrutiny under the equal Protection clause of the 241 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: fourteenth Amendment, meaning that it's no one's rights are being 242 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: taken away from them because we don't allow children to 243 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: take these kinds of drugs or allow them to get mutilated. 244 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: Correct and accurate, and also how about the fact that 245 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: children are in adults and adults Advocating for the rights 246 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: of children is often super weird because what they're saying 247 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: is we the adults shouldn't count. 248 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: Which is a huge part of this story. They're making 249 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: the argument that the adult, that the parent, should not 250 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: have a say over the child. 251 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: Do you take a look at laws of California, Oregon, 252 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: Washington state the kinds of things that they want to 253 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: move forward, which is to remove the parent from the 254 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: decision making process that if the parent isn't somebody who 255 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: is all in on quote unquote gender affirming care, which 256 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: is a fraud. 257 00:14:58,960 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: It's a lie. 258 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: Affirming care is word salad, a shield used to protect 259 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: abusers so they can continue to abuse children. Anybody in 260 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: your life who favors gender affirming care believes in abusing children, 261 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: tell them I said, so, I apologize for nothing. And 262 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: by the way, in the Scrimmatti case, it was a 263 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: six 's three decision descent from Sonomayor, Jackson and Kagan. 264 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: How could one dissent on such a thing so clear 265 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: as children not being abused and children not mutilating themselves. 266 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: We have a very very odd country right now, and 267 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: so this case, these cases matter greatly. They're huge, which 268 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: brings us, of course, back to the Wall Street Journal. 269 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: We're not sorry, not the Wall Street. 270 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: Journal, the Washington Post, because what did the Washington Posts say? 271 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: Trans athletes head to the Supreme Court. Neither science nor 272 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: the American public is on their side. And that's why 273 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned the culture war because the case is the case, 274 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: and my take is to take but in America, everybody 275 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: who's been pushing to abuse children, mutilate children, they're on 276 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: the wrong side of decency, rationality, never mind what they 277 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: would call the wrong side of history. The Washington Post 278 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: editorial board writing, the Supreme Court has the chance this 279 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: week to save women's sports, allowing states to restore a 280 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: level playing field for girls by excluding biological men and 281 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: thereby correcting one of the worst excesses of America's cultural revolution. 282 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: Translation, you bet your button. This was a culture war. 283 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: And we're winning and we have to win and they 284 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: have to lose. 285 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: It is that simple. 286 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: These cases will be heard today, it won't be decided, 287 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: I think until the summer is when those decisions come out. 288 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: We'll be watching. This is Tony Katz Today. Find everything 289 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: at Tony Katz dot com. Maria Machado is going to 290 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: visit the White House on Thursday. 291 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: She is the. 292 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: Winner of the Nobel Prize for her opposition to Nicholas Maduro. 293 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be here, Good 294 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: to be with you. I'll be curious to see how 295 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: the conversation goes in that. Some people thought, well, you 296 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: take Maduro out, I guess Machado will now be the 297 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: leader of Venezuela. But she wasn't the one who won 298 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: the elections. That was Gonzales who won the election. I 299 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: don't think Machado won an election, so maybe he would 300 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: be the leader. But right now there seems to be 301 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: no move to actually remove the Maduro regime. And this 302 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: was the point of my conversation last week with Noah Rothman, 303 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: and we've got that video up on the YouTube channel 304 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash Tony Katz, and it's getting a 305 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: lot of traction in that what we saw from the 306 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: White House from the administration was the capture of Maduro 307 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: and not regime change. 308 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: These are two very different things. 309 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: We do not have as of yet, regime change in Venezuela. 310 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: For the record, I favor the change. I favor these 311 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: communists being kicked out for the sake of national security 312 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: and allowing for a nation that listen. I don't think 313 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: is going to be a republic like we are. I 314 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: just don't think culturally they're in for it, but can 315 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: be better and can grow and engage in levels of capitalism, 316 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: if not being full on. What I would want actually 317 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: an oil industry that benefits the people, where the money 318 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: gets to flow and they no longer have to eat pigeons. 319 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: The world could be better, but only if the Maduro regime, 320 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: which includes Delseia Redriguez, the vice president and everybody in 321 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: these positions all over the place, that government gets rooted out. 322 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: That hasn't happened. 323 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: Even the military hasn't moved to have that happen. And 324 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: thus there's been this reporting that Machado has been kind 325 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: of pushed to the side. She has not been a 326 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: thought in the forefront of the Trump administration, and could 327 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: be because the regime. 328 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 2: Right now is strong. 329 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: It might take a lot more work to crack it 330 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: and get it out. So it's an interesting how do 331 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: they relate to each other because Machado has been very 332 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: kind to Trump and supportive of him. So I'm thinking 333 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: that that meeting might give us a good sense of 334 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: what's coming between the US and Venezuela. 335 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today. 336 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: So Trump is full on supporting the protesters Iranian patriots, 337 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: he writes, keep protesting, take over your institutions. Save the 338 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: names of the killers and abusers. They will pay a 339 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: big price. I have canceled all meetings with Iranian officials 340 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: until the senseless killing of protester stops. 341 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: Help is on its way. 342 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: Miga make Iran great again, President Donald J. 343 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: Trump. 344 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be here, Good 345 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: to be with you. It should be MIPA, make Iran 346 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: Persia again. But the President hasn't gotten my memo on 347 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: that yet. This when I, forever in a day talked 348 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: about how when the Iranians during Obama's term were engaged 349 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: in uprising, Green Revolution or Arab Spring, however you wanted 350 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: to describe it, all they needed was support. I don't 351 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: even know think that they needed bullets and guns. They 352 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: needed to know that there were people out there who 353 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: were going to be there for them. And President Obama 354 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: could not even be bothered to wear green tie right 355 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: in support of that whole concept. That's how I described 356 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: at the time, and say, we support these people and 357 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: when they want to live free. And when they start 358 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: living free, we will be right there for them. We 359 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: will be their friend, we will be there with the 360 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: trade deals. We'll be there to help. 361 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: Would have gone a long way. 362 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: It's exactly what's happening here. I support every single last 363 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: bit of that. Now help is on its way. 364 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what we do with that. 365 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what the help is. We're all watching. 366 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: I want to free around. I absolutely want. 367 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: This to happen, and I think that rational people do. 368 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: Irrational people like the pathetic Mark Ruffalo, the actor, the 369 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: pathetic kind of i'mbinder the actor, who are all in 370 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: favor of Israel being slaughtered and destroyed and claim to 371 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: care about the Palestinians, don't care about the Iranian people. 372 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: These lefties have told you what they're all about. 373 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: They're gross you and I want the Palestinian people to 374 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: live under the thumb or not under the thumb of 375 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: a mass We would like it if they would not 376 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: hate Jews and not hate Israelis and go about living 377 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: their life. But no good could come from living under 378 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: the thumb of a maas this terrorist organization. The people 379 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: of Iran can't live their lives underneath the Ayatola and 380 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: underneath the malas. So I'm curious as to what the 381 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: help is. But we're all gonna watch. 382 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 2: There are things that President Trump. 383 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: Does that I just love, and there are things that 384 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: President Trump does that makes me just crazy. I think 385 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: this lawsuit against Jerome Powell, I think this is just silly. 386 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: I think this is a mistake for the building of 387 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: a building, and it's over how it's the costs of 388 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: gun up the overruns. I'm not saying he isn't responsible. 389 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: I am saying that it's clear that you've got an 390 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: issue with Jerome Powell because he won't cut interest rates 391 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: the way that you want, and now we're utilizing the 392 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: DOJ to bring charges like this. 393 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: It is. It is wildly backwards. 394 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: It's not getting any back up anywhere because it's seen 395 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: as what are you doing? Why even go down this road? 396 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: What's the point of it all? This is Senator John 397 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: Kennedy of Louisiana. 398 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 8: I know Chrevin Powell very well. I will be stunned, 399 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 8: I will be shot if he has done anything wrong. 400 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 8: I understand that some folks have gone on television and 401 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 8: have accused the chairman for perjury. 402 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: This is America. 403 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 8: You can say what you think, but a perjury allegation, 404 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 8: particularly if you're the United States Conference, is a serious allegation. 405 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: It's serious. 406 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 8: It's poor heart attacks on a stroke. And if you 407 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 8: make an allegation like that, by god, you better be 408 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 8: prepared to put it to back it up. 409 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: Yes, So, if that's the argument we want to make, Okay, 410 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: go prove the case, show us. But it very much 411 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: looks like smacks like smells like you're doing this because 412 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: they want lower interest rates. You're just angry with the dude, 413 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: and just being angry with the dude isn't a policy. 414 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, I'm really tired. 415 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: Of the so called mega faithful who will buy into 416 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: ay they be like, yep, this is good. 417 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: It's something. It's not good. 418 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: Some of it's dumb. Some of it's dumb. Do I 419 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: know whether or not Jerome Pell did anything. 420 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if you did anything. 421 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm telling you what it looks like, and I'm telling 422 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: you why that there is a push why there is 423 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: a pushback to it. There is a pushback, and let's 424 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: discuss it, as I often do politically. You know what 425 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: this does for you. Nothing, doesn't do anything for you. 426 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it takes away one of 427 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: your better arguments. This guy won't lower interest rates. He 428 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 1: must be a political plant. You can replace him. Oh, 429 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: come on, of course he can. 430 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: He chooses not to. 431 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: Because that's a bit of politics, kitten. So that's what 432 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: we're seeing here. This is the way we're gonna politically 433 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: play it. Nah, it's not as good as the other way. 434 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: He won't lower interest rates. Which when I first read 435 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: the report short on CNBC, I'm like, wait a second, 436 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: we're below expectations. 437 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: We came in. 438 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: Less than expected. That that would mean that inflation is lower. 439 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: That's all the reason to lower interest rates. 440 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: Ah, Then you read the report. 441 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: When you read the report, you see that all items 442 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: less food and energy is two point six and is 443 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: point two for the month. 444 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 2: Now I do this the doctor Matt will Way. I 445 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 2: take the point two. 446 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: And I multiplied by twelve, which is two point four. 447 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: But that is without food and energy. If you take 448 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: a look at all items, it's point three and point 449 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: three times twelve is three point six, which means the 450 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: inflation is still there. So when I first read it. 451 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, inflation's down, that's a reason to cut. 452 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: Point three's inflation is not down. And if we take 453 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: a look at the last few months, remember we don't 454 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: have October November data because of the shutdown. We were 455 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: point three in June, point two, in July, point four, 456 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: in August, point three in September, question mark, question mark 457 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: point three in December. So this is going to tell 458 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: the Fed. Originally I was talking about this in my 459 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: morning show. Well, this was gonna tell the Fed they 460 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: can cut. Taking a second look, no, no, no, no, no, 461 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: it's going to tell the Fed they can't cut. Making 462 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: Trump even more angry. 463 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: It's exactly what's gonna do. Replace the dude? Replace it. 464 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 2: When is his term up? When is Jerome Powell's term up? 465 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: That's a great question. I thought it was it was 466 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: this year May fifteenth, twenty twenty six. 467 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: Now he'll be on the Board of Governors until January 468 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: thirty first, twenty twenty eight. 469 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 2: Now there's no. 470 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: Knowing whether he's going to remain on the Board of 471 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: Governors when he's not the chairman of the Federal Reserve. 472 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: But it's five months from now, it's five months away 473 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: from well, basically, today, you decide to charge him, you 474 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: decide that the DOJ should go after him. Can I 475 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: say that I don't think this is a good idea, 476 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: that I already mentioned that, And can I also ask 477 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: another question, and maybe an insider knows better than I do. 478 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: How much of this is pam Bondi not being able 479 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: to do her job? 480 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 8: Oh? 481 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: Oh, we should be clear When Pambondi was the choice 482 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 1: to be ag instead of Matt Gates. I cheered it 483 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: on this, very show cheered it. I said, that's fantastic. 484 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: She ran the Justice Department in Florida. She's competent, she's cable, 485 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: She'll know how to do this. I'm very disappointed. I'm 486 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: very disappointed. And you know how the guy's over at 487 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: South Park, you know, depict her and she's always got 488 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: some stuff on her nose. She always has to wipe 489 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: it off, and then whatever happens next is all of 490 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: a sudden, there's some stuff on her nose and it's brown, 491 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: it's he's brown. Yeah, I think that's accurate. It's ridiculous. 492 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: Just do the job. No prosecutions, all these prosecutions against Democrats, 493 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: and no, I mean against Republicans during the Democrat term 494 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden. No prosecutions. The only one you can 495 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: come up with is Jerome Powell. 496 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: Can we see her go? I'm disappointed. 497 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: I would say to you that with the cabinet, I 498 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: got something's right and something's wrong. 499 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: Robert F. Kennedy, Junr. Has been a huge success. 500 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: I think he could have been a success, not in 501 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: the cabinet position. I still don't like him that close, 502 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: but he's been a success. 503 00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact. 504 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: That whole team with doctor Oz and doctor McCarry, they've 505 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: been great. 506 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: They have been great. 507 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: Sean Duffy Transportation secretary, out of this world, Marco Rubio 508 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: out of this world. I think Bergham with the interior great. 509 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: I think right with energy, no issues. I think Collins 510 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: with VA so far, so terrific. 511 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: Now lour Chavez. 512 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: Duremmer and her paramour, Oh yeah, the story that she's 513 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: totally getting it on with somebody who works for the 514 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: White House is saying this isn't true. The White House 515 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: is saying, how dare you? 516 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: Maybe they know something we don't, Maybe they don't know 517 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: something we don't. Oh yeah. 518 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: There have been people who have been incredibly good, you know, 519 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: I was never bothered by the pete hegseth pick. In 520 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: the slightest there was clear, it was clear I was 521 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: I was surprised by the pick. I wasn't bothered by 522 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: the pick. And my god, I think he's worked out 523 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: better than everyone gives him credit for the Iran operation, 524 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: the Venezuela operation without a hitch and without a leak. 525 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's a win. The attitude. 526 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: I love the stuff was signal and utilizing the application, 527 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: and some interpersonal stuff. I think it's just stuff he 528 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: has to work on. Some people could be just complaining 529 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: about it. He could be like, you know what, maybe 530 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: that was the wrong way to approach it, that's all. 531 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: Oh No, I'm not bothered by him. In the slightest 532 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: cash would tell not doing a great job. Not doing 533 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: a great job. And I cannot wait to catch up 534 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: with Bongino. And I mean, he's never gonna tell you 535 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna save it for the book. He's gonna save 536 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: it parts of it for the show. It's not even 537 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: how big of a machine were you up against. I 538 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: want to know if the guys you were working with 539 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: had the same desire as you to fix things. Who 540 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: was there to fix it and who was there to 541 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: build a career. These are two different things. Ah cannot 542 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: wait to know that can't wait. But no, I don't 543 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: favor this, these not allegations. I don't favor these charges 544 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: against Jerome Powell. I don't like anything that creates some 545 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: kind of opportunity for the left to have a rallying point. 546 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: It's a bad move going into a midterm. It's a 547 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: bad move. And things are lining up well for Trump 548 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: in the midterms. Well, Tony, you're just saying inflations up. No, 549 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: inflation's where it's been. It's just it's going to keep 550 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: the Fed from cutting at a rate that the president 551 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: would like. 552 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: A lower inflation. 553 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: Okay, now we can do a a half point three 554 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: quarter point cut. When Trump replaces Jerome Powell, it's going 555 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: to be a three quarter point cut or more. That's 556 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: what's coming. And the argument from the best ins in 557 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: the others is that we're not competing on the world stage. 558 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: Our interest rates are too high. We'd have even more 559 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: investment in the US. You would certainly have more of 560 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of things. You'd have more possible home sales, 561 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: you'd have more automotive purchases. Sure, a bunch of things, 562 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: but you can't deny that the inflation is still there 563 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: when it's point three that's three point six percent annualized. 564 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 2: Is what is? What is? What is? 565 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: I think this is just bad politics. I think that's 566 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: the part that bothers me more. The president is set 567 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: up for opportunities for the midterms. 568 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 2: The midterms are winnabowl. 569 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I will explain it all if you join 570 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: me in Indianapolis on January twenty fourth. Tickets dot Tonykats 571 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: dot com. The bourbon, the food, the live music, the party. 572 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: I put on a heck of a show. You aren't 573 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: gonna love it. You're gonna have such a good time. 574 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: Tickets to tonycats dot com. Trump one year later, get 575 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: your tickets right now. Everything is winnable. It's all there. 576 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: We and he just have to go out and execute. 577 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: I think this gets in the way. I hate things 578 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: that get in the way. Just hate the unforced error. 579 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz in This is Tony Katz today. He 580 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: knew it was coming, and he told us it was coming. 581 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: Scott Adams gone at the age of sixty eight, the cartoonist, 582 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: the creator of Dilbert, who was very, very wildly popular 583 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: with his videos and his work there on social media, 584 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: and being a conservative, and so rare to see these 585 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,479 Speaker 1: things happen amongst certain sets of celebrities. I think people 586 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: really appreciated that he was so strong and so focused 587 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: in his conversations. 588 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 2: He put out a message through his. 589 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: Wife, who announced that he is not with us anymore, 590 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: dying at the age of sixty eight prostate cancer, and 591 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: she read a ne that he wrote, saying, if you're 592 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: reading this, things did not go well for me. I 593 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: have a few things to say before I go. My 594 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: body fall before my brain. I am of sound mind 595 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: as I write this January first, twenty twenty six. If 596 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: you wonder about any of my choices, form my estate, 597 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: or anything else, please know I am free of any 598 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: inappropriate influences of any sort, I promise. He then engages 599 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: a conversation. 600 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 2: Next. 601 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: Many of my Christian friends have asked me to find 602 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: Jesus before I go. I am not a believer. I 603 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: have to admit the risk reward calculation for doing so. 604 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: It looks so attractive to me, So here I go. 605 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and 606 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: look forward to spending an eternity with him. 607 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 2: I won't need any more convincing than that. I hope 608 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 2: I am still qualified for injury. I didn't know him. 609 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know him I wish I had. Sometimes you 610 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: lose the good ones, and then you just keep on going. 611 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 1: Find everything at Tony kats dot com Tomorrow. 612 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: Everyone can take that