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Speaker 1: Live from vall Hartbland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: To think of it as a new sheriff. A new

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Speaker 2: sheriff is in town. That's the way to think of it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that's the only way to think of it.

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Speaker 2: Now that you've got Tom Homan running things in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 2: maybe one has to think of it differently. Maybe one

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Speaker 2: has to think of it as just a big pr

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Speaker 2: move and nothing really changed. I mean, there's no actual

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Speaker 2: change to take place. You are still going to have

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Speaker 2: ICE agents there doing the work because the work has

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Speaker 2: to be done. You can't simply give in to these people.

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Speaker 2: We understand this, right, I mean, we do actually understand

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Speaker 2: that you cannot give into these people at all, because

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Speaker 2: if you do, if you give into these people an ounce,

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Speaker 2: it'll cost you forever. And honestly, I don't think if

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Speaker 2: you know I'm being asked, I do not think if

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Speaker 2: I'm being asked, we have forever to give these people.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony kats today, good to be here, Good

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Speaker 2: to be with you find everything over at Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: dot com. Tom Holman is now going to lead the charge.

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Speaker 2: Does this mean that Greg Leavino of a border patrol

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Speaker 2: wasn't capable. It does mean that the idea of what

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Speaker 2: they were doing in terms of marketing wasn't really working

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Speaker 2: so great. The shooting death of Alex Pretty is maybe

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Speaker 2: an example of this, but it's an example in a

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Speaker 2: multiplicity of ways, and a very harsh conversation has to

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Speaker 2: take place regarding what tactics need to happen next. And

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Speaker 2: what I'm seeing from a lot of people on the

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Speaker 2: political right is, well, you gotta change it up, Well,

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Speaker 2: you gotta slow it down. Well you can't do this,

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Speaker 2: Well you can't do that. I don't believe I should

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Speaker 2: stop at all or in any way. Alex Pretty, a

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Speaker 2: nurse intensive care unit nurse, was there engaged in harassment

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Speaker 2: towards or aggravation of impediment being an impediment to ICE

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Speaker 2: immigrations and Customs enforcement. Why is ICE there? Ice is

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Speaker 2: there because there are people here in the country how

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Speaker 2: the country, they're removing those people. The leftists in Minnesota

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Speaker 2: believe that this is a reason to engage in violence.

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Speaker 2: They're always looking for a reason to engage in violence.

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Speaker 2: What they do is they say, we don't like what

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Speaker 2: you're doing, for example, enforcing the law, so we act,

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Speaker 2: and we act violently, We engage in this violence, and

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Speaker 2: if you would just stop following the law, we would

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Speaker 2: stop being violence. And somehow the media thinks that this

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Speaker 2: is something that's rational, and Democrats think that this is

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Speaker 2: doing something that's leading to this violence, as opposed to

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Speaker 2: looking at the violent people and saying we're gonna stop

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Speaker 2: you from being violent. That does not preclude the idea

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Speaker 2: that we might have to look at Ice and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: how do we change something up here? Maybe there is

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Speaker 2: a better way to do something. I don't deny that

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Speaker 2: that's not possible. I'm not even saying that is improbable.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to this guy, Alex Preddi p R

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Speaker 2: doing some videotaping, and then he gets into a tussle

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Speaker 2: their job as prescribed by law, the job that people

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Speaker 2: like the elected officials of Minnesota don't believe in, which

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Speaker 2: is why they consider themselves a sanctuary state, like other

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Speaker 2: people thrown in jail. Sanctuary cities. There are no sanctuary states.

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Speaker 2: You do not act in the counter interest of the

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Speaker 2: of illegal people being in the country. People who have

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Speaker 2: broken the law. They've broken the law. Can any state

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Speaker 2: be a safe harbor for those who don't pay their taxes?

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Speaker 2: Because if so, what state is that? I'm sorry, asking

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Speaker 2: for a friend. That's what I was doing, not myself. No,

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Speaker 2: I pay all my taxes, all of them, I tell

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Speaker 2: you I do. Actually, I am so afraid. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I'm a radio host in twenty twenty six. I everything. Eh,

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Speaker 2: whenever if there's a problem, I freak. I lose my head. Oh.

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Speaker 2: Other people are like, no, there's a deduction for this,

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Speaker 2: We're good, We're good. Just don't want the problem. I know,

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Speaker 2: I'm probably, but it's always the way I've done it.

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Speaker 2: Alex pretty it's part of a group, and like there

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Speaker 2: shown this weekend. There are these chats and discussions going on,

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Speaker 2: and they're tracking ICE agents and they're following ICE agents,

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Speaker 2: license plate information. This is very, very organized stuff because

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Speaker 2: it's in concert with elected officials like people including Peggy Flanagan,

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Speaker 2: the lieutenant governor of Minnesota. Well, he's there and he's

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Speaker 2: there on the scene. They're trying to move people and

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Speaker 2: that's when he is there and he gets pushed by

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Speaker 2: you know, Ice is using a chemical agent will call

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Speaker 2: the ICE agents and getting in between the two. That's

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Speaker 2: what he gets taken to the ground. And that's when

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Speaker 2: it is seen on his person small of his back.

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Speaker 2: He is carrying a firearm. He's carrying a sig sour

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Speaker 2: semi automatic. A lot of people want to note that

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Speaker 2: he is carrying a firearm that isn't cheap. He's carrying

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Speaker 2: a P three twenty AXG combat. Okay, I know a

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Speaker 2: It is there where. There's a question asked of whether

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Speaker 2: or not the weapon did discharge, and certainly the ICE agents,

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Speaker 2: this guy. Something discharged, A shot was made, whether it's

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Speaker 2: killed on the scene. He dies. The left wants to

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Speaker 2: scream that that is murder. Allow me. I will take

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Speaker 2: any investigation into any ICE shooting anywhere, at any time.

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Speaker 2: No ICE agent is above an investigation, like no police

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Speaker 2: citizen matter most. So let's start here, and let's now

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Speaker 2: take a part two to this story. The part two

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Speaker 2: who want to somehow claim he was wrong for carrying

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Speaker 2: at the Treasury Secretary administration.

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Speaker 3: And there's no evidence that he brandished the gun whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: In fact, he brought arm before brought a gun. Have

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Speaker 3: you ever gone to a protest, John, I mean, we

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Speaker 3: Have you ever gone to a protest? I mean, have

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Speaker 3: you gone to a protest? I mean I've I know,

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've been to a protest. Guess what.

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Speaker 3: I didn't bring a gun.

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Speaker 2: I brought a billboard. Okay. First, now I've got the

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Speaker 2: It's fine, just good to know, good to know, and

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Speaker 2: I'm a citizen of the United States, and my Second

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Speaker 2: Amendment rights go with me everywhere I am, and I

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Speaker 2: And the people engage in the idea that he was

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Where they are correct, and where the conversation goes to

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Speaker 2: is if you're carrying a firearm. Are you now going

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Speaker 2: I don't do that. Someone's asking do you bring extra

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Speaker 2: magazines in the chat room? Let me be perfectly clear.

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Speaker 2: If you want to get into the conversation of need,

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Speaker 2: need is the conversation of the tyrant. This conversation is

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Speaker 2: not going to go well for you. I do not,

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Speaker 2: as a practitioner of the Second Amendment, have to explain

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Speaker 2: saying is but Tony, doesn't this show intent? And I

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Speaker 2: say to you, I don't know. Does it show intent

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Speaker 2: does not get to be selective in this moment. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: What is easy to understand is that this guy was

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Speaker 2: not just an observer. He got engaged. He got involved,

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Speaker 2: awful thing to say. You're calling ICE agents murderers, so

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Speaker 2: therefore you're helping people supporting people in attacking ICE. That's wrong. Now,

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Speaker 2: maybe he doesn't mean to be doing that, but what

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Speaker 2: that didn't happen. Tyre Sliburton, that is not factual. But

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Speaker 2: the NBA has been well known for its leftism, people

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Speaker 2: postpone their game. Why why would you postpone your game?

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Speaker 2: You had a moment of silence for the guy. Where

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Speaker 2: the political left. What was his intent. I have no

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Speaker 2: them was the problem. And yes, indeed, having the weapon

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Speaker 2: it disrespectful way, you want to call it a violent way,

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Speaker 2: the moment that indeed lead to the issue, that led

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Speaker 2: to the issue. It can't be denied, can't be denied.

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Speaker 2: So where are we now? We have the left engaging

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Speaker 2: in further vice. They're going at they Oh, they think

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Speaker 2: and attack the people inside. Oh my gosh. We were

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Speaker 2: and sent to hospitals, one specifically may have been others. Well,

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Speaker 2: this is because ICE is handling everything wrong, and the

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Speaker 2: ICE agents are all wrong, and they're not properly chained,

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Speaker 2: and they need to be retrained. I'm hearing that from

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Speaker 2: the left I'm hearing that from people on the right.

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Speaker 2: Stop it, stop every bit of it. Take Ice out. No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: now's the time to triple down. Absolutely not. Do those

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Speaker 2: engage in acts of violence, those who are coordinating with

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Speaker 2: not get to decide how it is we as American

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Speaker 2: citizens engage the law. They don't like the law, so

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Speaker 2: they act violently, so others won't actually protect American citizens

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Speaker 2: and arrest those who have broken the law. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: Those engaged in violence against ICE agents. Those engage with

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Speaker 2: violating the law by impeding ICE agents need to be

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Speaker 2: arrested by the fives, the tens, the twenties, or the hundreds.

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Speaker 2: We have handcuffs and we have jails. Let's go see

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Speaker 2: how well they work. Those impeding ICE are violating the

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Speaker 2: law and must be stopped. Who cares what the governor

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Speaker 2: says and the lieutenant governor says. They should get arrested too,

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Speaker 2: not just for supporting these people through illicit means, but

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Speaker 2: also what happens with the daycare fraud. Oh yeah, that's right,

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Speaker 2: the daycare fraud we haven't forgotten. Is leading a charge

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Speaker 2: on that too, and now he's gonna be leading the

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Speaker 2: charge of Ice. Maybe indeed it'll put a more professional

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Speaker 2: face on things. Maybe indeed it will better be able

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Speaker 2: to respond to things as they happen. But the idea

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Speaker 2: that the left is going to decide when and where

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Speaker 2: Ice acts not a chance, not for a second. And

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Speaker 2: this is not the time to walk away. This is

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Speaker 2: the time to show America that we will not deal

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Speaker 2: with this illegal activity from the illegal immigrant or the

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Speaker 2: Marxists being supported by the Democrats. I'm Tony Katz. This

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Speaker 2: is Tony Katz today.