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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of the Fan morning show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 2: Nine o'clock tonight in Bloomington, it is the Peacocks Special

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Speaker 2: with John Fanta, the high energy of John Fanta and

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Speaker 2: Robbie Hummel. I'm going to be on the call there.

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Speaker 2: I do feel continue to feel bad about obviously the

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Speaker 2: weather situation impacting things because you think about the crowd

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Speaker 2: Saturday at that National title celebration, and I assume the

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Speaker 2: crowd will be impacted tonight.

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Speaker 3: I don't, Oh yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Don't think you're getting seventeen thousand in there at nine o'clock.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all. But nevertheless, it still should be

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Speaker 3: a good environment.

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Speaker 2: I would think, just a massive one for Indiana in

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Speaker 2: terms of trying to get something here on the resume.

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Speaker 2: For Purdue, they have lost two in a row. Now

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Speaker 2: you want to be glass half full. You've led by

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Speaker 2: what five and six points? I think of the media

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Speaker 2: time out, the final media time out both these games,

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Speaker 2: and you know, with Braden Smith, your ability to close

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Speaker 2: the game usually I think it is heavily in your favor,

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Speaker 2: but I can't wait, you know it Weirdly James. If

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Speaker 2: you were compare Indiana Purdue basketball programs over the last

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Speaker 2: ten years, it's not comparable at all. Right, it was

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Speaker 2: in a different stratosphere. But the one of the wow

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Speaker 2: the stats of the Mike Woodson eras he split against

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Speaker 2: Matt Painter.

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Speaker 3: That is true because if you if I'm I'm mistaken,

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Speaker 3: didn't Jalen Chafino have.

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Speaker 2: Like a great game off in Mackie. This probably was

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Speaker 2: a couple of years ago that I was thinking, Jaalaino

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Speaker 2: when your boy Wagler went off on Saturday. Now, Waggler

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Speaker 2: was more of like volleyball Linefino was like, watch me

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Speaker 2: hit every mid range jumper. Yeah, known to man? And

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Speaker 2: do you remember the Robert Fannasy game winner. I do

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Speaker 2: remember that, So I think that was maybe the first meeting.

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Speaker 3: That's such a weird like antidote about the Woodson era.

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Speaker 2: Right, last year, a huge second half down there in

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Speaker 2: Assembly Hall, and I think for the most part they

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Speaker 2: were pretty competitive in MACKI too, remember Trey Kaufman ran

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Speaker 2: kind of had the the shot put like twelve foot

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Speaker 2: or to be them. Ye, I think I was last year.

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Speaker 2: So you know four and a half so Vegas, which

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Speaker 2: to me, seems very fair. You know, I'll continue to

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Speaker 2: stress you know how each team is going to guard

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Speaker 2: each other from a power forward standpoint, because Indiana, we

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Speaker 2: saw the wrinkle on Friday. They put Nick Dorn, the

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Speaker 2: transfer from Elon Battles some injuries, into the starting lineup,

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Speaker 2: and Nick Dorn is a flat out shooter, I mean,

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Speaker 2: stone cold shooter. That now is hey, if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: go whatever, We've seen teams do it triangle in two

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Speaker 2: or whatever on Tucker to reason Lamar Wilkerson, Now we're

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Speaker 2: going to put another capable shooter out there, so you

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Speaker 2: know how Purdue counters and of course how the Indiana

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Speaker 2: guards Purdue. You know, the big question for Indiana here

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Speaker 2: in the Big Ten is can you hang with legit size?

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Speaker 3: Who's got that? So yeah, I'm always said some of

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Speaker 3: that too. You got to be able to offset some

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Speaker 3: of that size with the shooting.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys think Rake will be good with me

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Speaker 2: going peacocks stream right and shot gun? You think we'll

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Speaker 2: go radio on top of it?

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Speaker 4: Is he gonna let you connect the bluetooth so you

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Speaker 4: can have this this peacocks sound?

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Speaker 2: I think knowen Rake, he'll want to go let's go

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Speaker 2: Rob Blackman first half Northern Indiana. Yeah, and then once

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Speaker 2: we hit you know, Kokomo, then we'll switch over to

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Speaker 2: Fish for the second half.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Sportscaster himself. He's got to respect the greats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll just provide visual if he if he

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Speaker 2: needs it. You know, he's got to be ten and

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Speaker 2: two on the roadways, Greg, Greg tron I are annual trips.

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Speaker 2: My favorite day of the year outside of Christmas, some

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Speaker 2: of my kids births.

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Speaker 3: I was about to say, you add on a few

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Speaker 3: amendments there.

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Speaker 2: My widding anniversary.

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Speaker 3: I'll say, you know again, Maddieiger Woods.

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Speaker 2: You know Tiger got in. Tiger won the Masters on

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Speaker 2: April fourteenth. We got engaged on April fourteenth. Well, one

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Speaker 2: mattered more.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna ask your son's silence tells me a lot.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just trying to clear my throat here. You know,

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Speaker 2: our throats are kind of hanging on by a thread

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're struggling. Boys. I'm sorry if I sound a

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Speaker 3: little different, but we made it in.

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Speaker 2: Was it a Luther Vandross? Did I see that in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know about Luther Vandros. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if I could sing that good.

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Speaker 2: I do love a one Shining moment.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I've seen the Corus Football One Shining

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Speaker 2: Moment's montage and I've enjoyed it. Yeah. Wow, I don't

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Speaker 2: know that was the thing. Yeah, I had to be

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Speaker 2: in that a lot. Yeah, you know, IU was definitely

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Speaker 2: featured very prominently. We'll get something that Omar Cooper sound

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Speaker 2: here in a little bit, James. I'm always nervous when

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Speaker 2: the college football, you know whatever transfer portal dies down.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, is it safe to now look ahead to

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Speaker 2: guys still declaire come back? But I think we're at

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Speaker 2: this point so for Indiana they will lose the following

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Speaker 2: And these are just notable guys I jotted down obviously,

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Speaker 2: end thirty seven. Defensively not as much well, I should say, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Elijah you uh, Mikl Kamara, Aiden Fisher, Dangelo Pons, Lewis Moore,

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Speaker 2: So you know, when you start to make a list

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Speaker 2: there's a lot. Now you bring back Charlie Becker, you

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Speaker 2: bring back I think three starting offensive linemen, maybe four,

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Speaker 2: those guys are pretty effective, even though they might not

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Speaker 2: get the fan fare. Isaiah Jones at linebacker, Jamari Sharp,

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Speaker 2: you start to make a list, boy, it's a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know what's so unique about this IU

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Speaker 3: team is that unluck in years past you listened off

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Speaker 3: all those guys, and I'm like, man, these guys are

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Speaker 3: how many times we could look at an IU roster

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Speaker 3: in recent years and say they have ten definite draft picks,

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Speaker 3: and about half of those guys I would argue, Kevin

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Speaker 3: to replace NFL talent, because when you have NFL talent

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Speaker 3: just better. I mean Omar Cooper junior. How many times

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Speaker 3: did we look at a play that he made Kevin

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Speaker 3: and say, oh, he's just better than the other guys.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, And you know what, we talked so much

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Speaker 2: they were backed up second and seventeen on that drive

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Speaker 2: and he gets started, yep. And a lot of it,

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Speaker 2: to your point, was just there was a first and

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Speaker 2: twenty in the National title last Monday where you just

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Speaker 2: throw him simple crosser and his athleticism, you know, makes

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Speaker 2: the play off of that. The the DiAngelo Ponds loss,

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Speaker 2: I think Ponds and maybe the pick six against Oregon

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Speaker 2: if we're gonna really be technical here, you can make

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Speaker 2: the case Ponds is better, more important to the team

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Speaker 2: than Frenana Mendoza, Like Brian Haynes literally is like, I

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Speaker 2: you think about college corners, there's so much volatility watching

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say a couple of them wist they

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Speaker 3: had some plays back in recent weeks in these playoffs,

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Speaker 2: Know, him leaving and again he technically had another year

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Speaker 2: you want to say the TCU quarterbacks canna come in

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Speaker 2: and play at a high level, or Kurt Signettic quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: just often do you know, losing ponds and you know,

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Speaker 2: I go back to the Iowa game. He didn't play

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Speaker 2: in that Iowa game. That's a game Indiana easily could

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Speaker 2: have lost. Yeah, with out him, you know in the

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Speaker 2: lineup there I do have. I don't know if it's hot,

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Speaker 2: what it is outside? But can I go here one more?

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Speaker 2: As we look back on last week's game, the most

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Speaker 2: important play in that game was a block punt, not

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Speaker 2: the fourth and five Mendoza.

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Speaker 3: Oh, unquestionable. Okay, the most memorable play I think is

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Speaker 3: I don't think so you don't win that guy. I

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Speaker 3: that fourth and five opportunity to basically not seal the win,

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Speaker 3: that block punt doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was looking back on that the other day,

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Speaker 2: and I believe to that point, I don't think Mendoza

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Speaker 2: the IU offense was just kind of stuck in one

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Speaker 2: of those muddy situations where we're not used to. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Miami's pastors to go. Remember on that opening drive the

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Speaker 2: second half, Miami had two sacks. The driver was kept

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Speaker 2: Miami defense I think was starting to assert itself a

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Speaker 2: block punt too. It's not like you were trying to

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Speaker 2: had your defense out there thinking it was a fourth

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Speaker 2: it there, malc I Toni had just been tackled short

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Speaker 2: of the sticks. Yeah, memorable. You're right, James. Definitely the

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Speaker 2: Mendoza play and honestly the call to go for you know,

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Speaker 2: that was not I think an automatic go situation there

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Speaker 2: and just the effort involved on it. But to me,

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Speaker 2: like the bigger magnitude play. You didn't win the game there,

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Speaker 2: but obviously it helped you. I think it was that

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Speaker 3: And it's funny to look back at that play and

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Speaker 3: really a couple of different players throughout that college football playoff.

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Speaker 3: Really the season had defined the season because the thing

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Speaker 3: about and I was reading about this Kevin, and I

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Speaker 3: don't know how many IU fans feel like this, but

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Speaker 3: is there any sense of like a what now feeling?

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Speaker 3: Because pretty much, I would say maybe from like the

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Speaker 3: Illinois game on every single moment after that was like

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Speaker 3: the biggest game for IU, or that's the biggest moment,

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Speaker 3: or that's the biggest play. And now that you're atop

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Speaker 3: the mountain, yes you want to do it again, but

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you're will be able to experience

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Speaker 2: We need to bump everything up. Schedule wise, we get

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Speaker 3: A home game.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen and sure it's he If we go to twenty four, James,

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Speaker 2: we're getting eight and four teams in the playoff. We're

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Speaker 3: So to hear that conversation give me a headache, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, am I wrong? You're not wrong? But that's

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Speaker 4: By the way, next year's Super Bowl takes place on

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Speaker 2: Well, when the Colts are in it, Leve will be

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Speaker 3: Yes, twenty eighteen. I was graduating college trying to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll never forget left you at the Altar Lord,

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Speaker 2: So whether it's Dan Campbell, whether it's Mike Vrabel, you

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Again, if we're handing out individual letter grades to Ballard

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Speaker 2: kind of to me. It's a little like it's part

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Speaker 2: I think they should be tied at the hip. That's

434
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Speaker 2: how I would, you know, operate in the NFL. But

435
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Speaker 2: I also think their jobs are different in many many

436
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Speaker 2: ways here. So I actually just posted the ballad one today,

437
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Speaker 2: you know, wins and losses, kind of looking at some

438
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Speaker 2: of that stuff. By the way, I started scrolling through

439
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Speaker 2: mock drafts and we'll get to a Mark Dyton. I

440
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Speaker 2: got to know here coming up in the eight o'clock hour.

441
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 2: I looked at Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft yesterday. A couple

442
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Speaker 2: of things stood out. The Chiefs at number nine took

443
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Speaker 2: Ruben Bain.

444
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Speaker 3: I did see that at his Mont draft.

445
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Speaker 2: I'm like it hit me as I started scrolling, I'm like,

446
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Speaker 2: wait a minute, you're telling me that Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow,

447
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Speaker 2: and Lamar Jackson are all about to get top fifteen picks.

448
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying all three are obviously going

449
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Speaker 2: to hit right away, but damn.

450
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Speaker 4: The mock draft I saw has had the Chiefs taken.

451
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Speaker 4: Jeremiah love that he went Saints in.

452
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Speaker 2: Jeremiah was speaking of Jeremiah and Daniel Jeremiah's so I

453
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Speaker 2: think he went one higher. But yeah, Mark, I have

454
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Speaker 2: seen that as well. Interesting how you think about that

455
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Speaker 2: Mahomes at nine, Burrow at ten, Lamar Jackson at fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Question, though, how much fear of do as the Bengals

457
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Speaker 3: put in people these days? I know, but it's been

458
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Speaker 3: in a couple of years now and their defense is

459
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Speaker 3: always atrocious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get like all three of those are gonna

461
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Speaker 2: you know, hit and you know, I wouldn't be very

462
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Speaker 2: clear on that. But you know, again, as much as

463
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Speaker 2: people in the cult to bubble might say, hey, you know,

464
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Speaker 2: we just got to be healthy for the second half

465
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Speaker 2: of the season, there's some other teams out there that

466
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Speaker 2: are saying that exact thing, and they have the Bengals

467
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Speaker 2: and they have first round pick you know, available to him.

468
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Speaker 2: By the way, I saw Dylan Deneman, the Westfield safety

469
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Speaker 2: transfer from Perdue to Oregon. Daniel Jeremiah had him going

470
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Speaker 2: mark to your Bears at twenty five. I didn't know.

471
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Speaker 2: I mean, I knew Dylan Denemon was an NFL draft prospect,

472
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Speaker 2: I didn't know he was talking about on Day one. Interesting,

473
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Speaker 2: you guys.

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Speaker 4: Need a safety potentially, Uh, Kevin Bayern they hope to

475
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Speaker 4: bring back, but he's a free agent and probably we'll

476
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Speaker 4: get some money. C. J.

477
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Speaker 1: Gardner.

478
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Speaker 4: Johnson also a free agent and Jawan Brisker is also

479
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Speaker 4: so they they could bring a couple guys back, or

480
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Speaker 4: they get up some needs.

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Speaker 3: There's like, can I interest you and Nit Cross?

482
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Speaker 4: No, No, we'd like to actually think the Bears would

483
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Speaker 4: like to do a return to center on dioa dango

484
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Speaker 4: if we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Returns from Coldony. Yeah, I heard, didn't he?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Did he? Terroors Achilles? Uh huh again Yeah, same one.

488
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Speaker 4: I think it's the other one.

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Speaker 2: Oh jeez, Yeah, that's horrific.

490
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Speaker 4: He was not doing anything.

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Speaker 2: I remember before the paycheck that was kind of like

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Speaker 2: midway through the season. There. Okay, eight o'clock hour, we'll

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Speaker 2: get to first off, Rob Blackman and join us. Eight thirty.

494
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Speaker 2: Will continue to talk ium Purdue from down there in Bloomton.

495
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Speaker 2: And I do want to get that Dane Briugler sound.

496
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Speaker 2: You know, he was kind of on this early with

497
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Speaker 2: the Omar Cooper junior before playoff run, before Penn State.

498
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Speaker 2: Where could the Ellen product go when it comes to

499
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Speaker 2: the draft? Is he officially declared yesterday? Mark Dykedon, you

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Speaker 2: used the word immaculate to describe your I sixty five

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Speaker 2: commute in this morning? Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: Yes, from what I was expecting to what I received,

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Speaker 4: I would say that was immaculate because I was expecting

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Speaker 4: unable to see any lines or anything like that. No, No,

505
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Speaker 4: you could see roadmark. You could see like you can

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Speaker 4: make out lanes. I would say probably two and a

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Speaker 4: half lanes out of the three.

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Speaker 2: Were actively well done. I'll say this, I am used

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Speaker 2: to like day two post snowstorm, the commute being a breeze. Yeah,

510
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Speaker 2: Like in recent years it's like, okay, day one, you're

511
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Speaker 2: kind of all right, a little unsure about it. What's

512
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Speaker 2: it going to look like? Add whatever ten minutes to

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Speaker 2: my morning commute? In today, I would only say it

514
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Speaker 2: was like slightly better. I don't think it was like

515
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Speaker 2: overwhelmingly better. Again, my lanes and I'm less highway. I'm

516
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Speaker 2: still more city streets than mark. I would say the

517
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Speaker 2: lanes are still if you're used to the two lane road,

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Speaker 2: you ain't getting it. You're getting a nice one and

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Speaker 2: maybe one and a half. And again the intersections, it

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Speaker 2: looks a little Scott McLaughlin lap one of the NDY

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Speaker 2: five hundred. It's a little spinny for some people out there,

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Speaker 2: So fy on that, And I guess I see why

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Speaker 2: we are still largely e learning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, across all these weather advisories and stuff like that

525
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Speaker 3: take a time on people.

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Speaker 2: Are we sent.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so our p one listeners.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's like the biggest compliment we've ever gotten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of how it felt during the COVID

531
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Speaker 3: times where my mom works in insurance, my sister works

532
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Speaker 3: at a bank, and I was a sports reporter and

533
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Speaker 3: I was considered essential with them. That was pretty funny.

534
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Speaker 3: My dad was like working at a water pump company,

535
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Speaker 3: so like he needs to go to work. People can

536
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Speaker 3: have like the really that's flush a toilet during the

537
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Speaker 3: storm or something. And here's James like, oh yeah, I

538
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Speaker 3: got to carry my note bed into this big high

539
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Speaker 3: school game, so.

540
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Speaker 4: See doctors and nurses at the stop. Let you give

541
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Speaker 4: him a little head nod like me too, brother, Yeah,

542
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Speaker 4: me two sister.

543
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, all I have in my trunk is like a referee.

544
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Speaker 2: Holds up his recorder, triple A batteries and his last.

545
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Speaker 4: Hat that says press on it.

546
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly what those are the days?

547
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Speaker 2: What's our boy? Rob Low didn't have the NFL hat on.

548
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Speaker 2: I got a real scoop for you, Yeah, James, has

549
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Speaker 2: got press hat on all right, eight o'clock hour, coming

550
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: up again, Rob Blackman got to join us at eight thirty.

551
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Speaker 2: More on the Omar Cooper Junior Declaration into the draft,

552
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Speaker 2: more on the big one tonight in Bloomington, and we'll

553
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: tap into Mark Dydon's I gotta know the rivalry is

554
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: back on, all right, so Rob Blackman eight thirty, John

555
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: Herrick talking eye you. Purdue coming up tonight nine o'clock,

556
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Speaker 2: Rick Carlisle nine to thirty. But let's get into the

557
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Speaker 2: brain of Mark Dyton.

558
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: He's got questions.

559
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: How about a game?

560
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: They have got answers. They I'm more of a you know,

561
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Speaker 1: corn hoole man myself, sports music, movies, what what high fashions.

562
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Speaker 2: Beat hantsl so hot right now.

563
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Speaker 1: And everything in between. You ever seen a foot with

564
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Speaker 1: four toes. It's time to get a glimpse into the

565
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Speaker 1: mind of Mark Dyton.

566
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Speaker 4: Stop it, you're scaring me.

567
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Speaker 1: It's time for I gotta know, Okay, you do punk.

568
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: I want a good clean fight.

569
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Speaker 4: Let's get it on. All right, boys, we're talking NFL,

570
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 4: so let's stay with the NFL. We've talked about the

571
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Speaker 4: to do list for Chris Ballard and company for the

572
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Speaker 4: Colts and what positions they need to address in the

573
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Speaker 4: off season. What position or positions do you feel need

574
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 4: the least upgrades you had in the twenty twenty sixty',

575
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Speaker 4: Like I feel comfortable at this position.

576
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Speaker 2: Kicker.

577
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Speaker 4: And that's a real response too. You got two guys

578
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Speaker 4: there that it's a good answer.

579
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Speaker 2: I'm really serious. I promise I won't cop out and

580
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: just say kicker. But like, seriously, right, I guess you

581
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: hope Spencer Schrader returns to full health. But Blake Groupy

582
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: looked really good. And I believe Blake Groofy's one of

583
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: those exclusive rights free agents James, which means the Colt's

584
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: just thrown offer at him and he has to come back.

585
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Speaker 3: Little kicking competition, Sure, why not.

586
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Speaker 4: I'll go back one at Westfield.

587
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Speaker 3: I'll go running back, running back. Not to worry about

588
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Speaker 3: Johnthan Taylor.

589
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: What if I said offensive line? Too many flowers there?

590
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, Bradon Smith free agency obviously, yeah, you

591
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: know is something to acknowledge.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm not as down. You know, I've gotten some questions, like, hey,

594
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Speaker 2: offensive line, lady, and I get Jonathan Taylor's rushing numbers

595
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: were poor, but I I mean, defensively, I could talk

596
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Speaker 2: myself into every level. I guess wide receiver, assuming you're

597
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 2: bring back Pierce.

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Speaker 3: But I was gonna say that though, I'm like, okay,

599
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Speaker 3: assume you bring him back. But then if Pittman's gone,

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Speaker 3: right right, I get that he wasn't I know, but

601
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Speaker 3: it was his salary. But he's a reliable player.

602
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go kicker, and then I'll well, I don't know, offensively.

603
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: Go running back and quarterback, mainly because they pigeonholed themselves

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Speaker 3: there to the quarterback position.

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00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: Again, the quarterbacks come off with torn A Chelles. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna stick with my kicker, which I don't know what

607
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Speaker 2: that means for the state of your franchise, but I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty I'm pretty serious of that answer.

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Speaker 3: Get Blake Groupie on the side of the Lukes Oil State.

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Speaker 2: Build the statue. Groupie might be all right.

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Speaker 4: AFC Championship Ship game was marred by bad weather in Denver.

612
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: Some love it, some hate it. Where do you stand

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Speaker 4: on bed weather games in such monumental moments.

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Speaker 3: I think it is overrated. The people who love football

615
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Speaker 3: weather don't always include the fact that football weather includes

616
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Speaker 3: good weather as well, two roles played almost every year

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Speaker 3: in a great environment because they know they don't want

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Speaker 3: the game to be decided by the elements. So I

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Speaker 3: am not a fan of football weather. Yeah, I'm also

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Speaker 3: pretty soft. I will wear a snuggie at you know,

621
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Speaker 3: training camp if a guy a little cold out there.

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Speaker 1: I love some elements.

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Speaker 4: Quarry sliding in the seat all of a sudden, I

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Speaker 4: love some elements.

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Speaker 2: I will say, maybe the fourth quarter got a little

626
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Speaker 2: bit too element y for me on Sunday in Denver.

627
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Speaker 2: You know, I think back to Colt's bills in twenty seventeen,

628
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Speaker 2: Jack Doyle rumbling through the snow, Adam Van Terry making

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Speaker 2: I think what he said was the toughest kick of

630
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Speaker 2: his life, that extra point to force the game in overtime.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's maybe a hair too much. But like guys,

633
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Speaker 2: in ten years, every game is going to be in

634
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Speaker 2: a dome. Won't we be bitching and moaning about that?

635
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Speaker 3: I will not be, not me, but the masses probably will,

636
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Speaker 3: all right.

637
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 4: Shador Sanders was named to the Pro Bowl yesterday. He

638
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 4: will replace Drake Mayis he heads the Super Bowl. May

639
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert and Josh Allen where the original selections, while

640
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Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, Daniel Jones, bo Nicks are out all out

641
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 4: due to injuries, and Trevor Lawrence opted out. Since Sanders

642
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: had seven touchdowns and ten interceptions, is the time to

643
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Speaker 4: eliminate the Pro Bowl selection as a noteworthy achievement.

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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence doing a little another dame thing. They're opting out. Yeah,

645
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Speaker 2: I didn't want any pop tarts with this pop Tart

646
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Speaker 2: Bowl here on this Tuesday morning. I think there's no

647
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Speaker 2: bigger joke than the Pro Bowl nod as the eighth alternate.

648
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: That's why I think all Pro means more.

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Speaker 3: James, I agree, Yeah, I feel the same way about

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Speaker 3: the NBA, like all NBA matters more than an All

651
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: Star nod.

652
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: But because it's just terrible, because basically what it is

653
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: is if does your position have injuries and opt outs?

654
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

655
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: Like Mark, you just listed what eight names before he

656
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: got to Sanders.

657
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 4: Yah, Sanders wasn't even an alternate, So he was an

658
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 4: alternate alternate.

659
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: Some positions you don't have injuries. You know, Let's say

660
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: it's like take defensive tackle for example, and let's say

661
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: to Force Buckner is the first alternate. The only way

662
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: to force Buckner becomes a pro bowler is if the

663
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: guys above him are hurt, so he's at the mercy

664
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: of them getting hurt in order for him to get

665
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: the honor. Whereas you know, remember the year Gardner, Minshew

666
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 2: and Snoop Huntley were Pro Bowl quarterbacks. They get the

667
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: honor because the names that Mark just listed they all

668
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: opt out like that. That to me, isn't a true

669
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: reflection of you like earning it. If that makes sense, I'll.

670
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: Just throw my wrist up a lah shoudera Sanders because

671
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: all of you guys are haters. But no, I didn't agree.

672
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: I don't know how you can even justify go. I

673
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: don't blame him for accepting it. It's like a free

674
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: trip to what disney World, Disneyland in one of those places, Yeah,

675
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: Disney World.

676
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: So they're actually now, aren't we out at the Super Bowl?

677
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: I think we're now. We've moved the Pro Bowl to

678
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.

679
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: Right, say, pre vacation if you go skills competition, So

680
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: free vacation. I don't blame him for taking it, but

681
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: I also want to get outraged because of Sheder Sanders.

682
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: They've allowed plenty of people who were never deserving to go.

683
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: So he's just the latest one.

684
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: I kind of rank all pro is that award that

685
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: James got a few weeks ago, very deserving and a

686
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: great honor, and then Pro Bowls kind of like when

687
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: Jeff says to us at ten oh one, Hey, I

688
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: thought you guys did a nice job today.

689
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: Nice pat on the back, right.

690
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: Our fearless leader couldn't make it in today garage, Dorisha,

691
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: I have questions about that, all right?

692
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: Last one real quick.

693
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: The ww's marquee events on the calendar you're the first

694
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 4: of the year is Saturday in the Royal Rumbolt's the

695
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: first time it will take place outside the United States

696
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: for the first time in Saudi Arabia. So that's problematic

697
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: right out of the gate. But the thing I can't

698
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 4: wrap my head around is they built a twenty five

699
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 4: thousand seat stadium for this event in twenty days. It

700
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: was a literal dirt field on January fifth, and now

701
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: it's a stadium. Would you want to be in the

702
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 4: test audience for an arena that was built in that

703
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: amount of time.

704
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: No, I'd rather be in the ring with USO. Yeah

705
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: or speed? Did I say those names right.

706
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 4: I mean, honest to God, look at these pictures. I

707
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 4: mean it was a dirt field and now it's a

708
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: full stadium twenty days later. I don't know how much

709
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: I trust that structure.

710
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 2: Though I'm currently googling this.

711
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 4: It's insane this.

712
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: As well, this is crazy. I'm gonna pass because I

713
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: feel like this is a glorified version of.

714
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: Why did they stay failure long? Mark?

715
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think they're building stadiums because they're

716
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: supposed to get the World Cup in like twenty thirty four,

717
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: But why they took so long? I have no idea,

718
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 4: because they knew about this event at least a year out,

719
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 4: so I don't know what the hold up was.

720
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Speaker 3: No, I'll pass. Like I said, this is glorified fair

721
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: of work. I don't get on the rides at the

722
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: State Fair you want. I don't think you can just

723
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: kind of put up a matter of days. I'm not

724
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 3: getting on it.

725
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 4: Give me the good old fashioned steams take like five

726
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: years to build.

727
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Northwest Indiana's not coming up with a stadium

728
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: in thirty days to make it. The Gary Man, I

729
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: was gonna say, if.

730
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: They want to get things moving in and make sure

731
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: they secure that bear's location. They might.

732
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 4: If you haven't seen the pictures, you should look. It

733
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 4: is mind boggling.

734
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: Nine o'clock inside of Assembly Hall tonight. It will be

735
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: the visiting Perdue boiler Makers against the Indiana Hoosiers. Darren

736
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: Devrees first experience at a rivalry that is always held

737
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: in high regard in our state. And I always think

738
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: back to Matt Painter with his flirtation with Missouri now

739
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: many many years ago, saying he thought about nights like

740
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 2: tonight walking inside of Assembly Hall is the head coach

741
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: of Purdue and not being able to do that if

742
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: you were to take that job, and Purdue fans very

743
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: grateful that. Of course that did not happen. To talk

744
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: more about tonight's game, and I guess the travels down

745
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: there to Bloomington. He is the voice of the Purdue

746
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 2: Global Radio networked the great Rob Blackman joins us, Rob,

747
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: are you safe and sound still here in the Indy

748
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: area or are you down in Bloomington?

749
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 5: All? I'm safe and sound and Zionsville, Indiana my home.

750
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Speaker 1: I did not, Kevin.

751
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 5: The reason I chose not to go down last night

752
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 5: with the team is because the old dreaded nine pm start.

753
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 5: I did not feel like sitting around a hotel waiting

754
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 5: all day and all night for a game, So I'll

755
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 5: drive down later this afternoon, take my time, mosey down,

756
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 5: and yeah, I get ready for the dreaded nine o'clock, which,

757
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 5: as you guys know, is never nine o'clock because you're

758
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 5: the back end of the other games. You're going to

759
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 5: be closer to nine ten or nine to fifteen. So

760
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 5: all the beauty of television and their scheduling.

761
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope you and Bobby have some extra material

762
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: from nine o'clock to nine oh seven or something tonight.

763
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: I assume the team made it down there. Do you

764
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: did they bus or do they fly?

765
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 5: Right? I guess no? No, Yeah, always bus uh. North

766
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 5: Northwestern Illinois and Indiana have always been the bus trips.

767
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 4: Uh.

768
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 5: Obviously for financial reasons, so much easier and quite frankly,

769
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 5: just as convenient. But yeah, they busted down. Actually they

770
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 5: they left yesterday afternoon Lafayette about the five thirty or so.

771
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 5: So yeah, they're saving sound.

772
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 3: So Rob, as an Illinois alum, I can't lie to

773
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: you inside didn't enjoy the last outing for the boiler Makers,

774
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 3: seeing what Keith Walkler was able to do at Mackie.

775
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: But on the front of the produce side of things,

776
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: having lost the last two and being up late, where

777
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: is a sense of urgency for this group to get

778
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: back on track against IU?

779
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 5: Well, no, this, James. My wife is also a University

780
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 5: of Illinois graduate.

781
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: So oh, you married a great woman. Never matter, but

782
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 3: she must be great.

783
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: She is great.

784
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 5: It's it's always a difficult night in our house when

785
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 5: the al and I. But well, it really it comes

786
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 5: down to one one area of the game I would

787
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 5: I would argue, and it's on both sides, and that

788
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 5: is three point shooting produced. Three point shooting has not

789
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 5: been very good as of late, which is a bit

790
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 5: surprising when you considered, you know, produe typically really the

791
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 5: last handful of years has always been in the top

792
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 5: ten in three point percentage in the country. I think

793
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 5: about that year Purdue into the final four, they were

794
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 5: either number one or number two in the country in

795
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 5: three point percentage. But you know, that number has come

796
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 5: back to earth a little bit, thirty six percent. If

797
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 5: you're just looking at the Big ten games. The problem

798
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 5: is on the flip side, the opponent seems to have

799
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 5: no problem making threes right now, you take out the

800
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 5: USC game and I think it's you know, for the

801
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 5: last five games again excluding USC, the opponent has not

802
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 5: only shot better than their typical three point percentage, but

803
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 5: they've shot it significantly better, well up into the forty

804
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 5: percentile in most cases. And you look at Illinois on

805
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 5: this past week and they were what I think forty

806
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 5: seven percent. Now, granted, one guy would nine of eleven

807
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 5: from three, so that certainly helps sway the numbers a bit.

808
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 5: But yeah, to me, I'm not as a purdu fean,

809
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 5: I'm not nearly as concerned about produce three point shooting

810
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 5: as a team. There are just too many good shooters

811
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 5: on this team to think that that number is not

812
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 5: going to come back around. My bigger concern would be

813
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 5: on the defensive end, in guarding the three point line.

814
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 5: That's where marked improvement needs to happen. And look start

815
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 5: with tonight with Indiana. A team that makes ten threes

816
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 5: a game on the average, a team that lives on

817
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: that three point arc. So that makes this game all

818
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 5: makes me all that more nervous for this one tonight

819
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 5: in Bloomington.

820
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: Rob watching that on Saturday, first all I thought it

821
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: was a great college basketball game. I mean the shot

822
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: making I thought was ex I thought Bradin Smith coming

823
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: back from the injury, he made some shots that I

824
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: kind of forgot that he was capable of. But it

825
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: had me thinking back to Carson Edwards a few years

826
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: back at Illinois. Ironically enough, I did think about Jalen

827
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: Hood Schaffino a few years ago inside of Mackie. I'm

828
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: sure I'm not stirring up great memories for you, but

829
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: do you recall a visiting player doing something like that

830
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: inside of Mackie? Like I remember Boo Booie maybe had

831
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: one of those performances for Northwestern, but maybe that was

832
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: at Northwestern. Now that I think about it, do you

833
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: recall anybody recently having a game like that?

834
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 5: Well, the first guy I thought of, too is Jalen

835
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 5: Hood Schaffino. First of all, let me answer your question directly, Kevin. No,

836
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 5: that is the best performance by far. Just forget the points.

837
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 5: I mean, that makes the answer easy. When a guy

838
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 5: scores forty six points, the most ever scored by an

839
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 5: opponent at Mackie, but to do so in the efficiency

840
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 5: in which he did, you know, I told as we

841
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 5: mentioned a second ago nine of eleven from three and

842
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 5: to be a true freshman playing at Macki Arena. We

843
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 5: mentioned this on the broadcast in the post game. Most

844
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 5: true freshmen that come into Mackie normally don't have a

845
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 5: great first opportunity at Macki Arena because it's so it's

846
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 5: so intimidating. That was not the case obviously for him.

847
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 5: But that was easily the best performance I've ever seen

848
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 5: from an opponent. Yes, Jalen Hood Shaffino popped up in

849
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 5: my head as a guy that we didn't even have

850
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 5: said that on the broadcast. As you're watching him, You're like, Wow,

851
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 5: an opponent to do this to Purdue at Mackie, you

852
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 5: just don't ever see it. The only other I thought

853
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 5: of two others. Nate Mason way back in the day

854
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 5: from Minnesota went for thirty one and ten I think

855
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 5: ten assists against Purdue when Minnesota beat Purdue at Mackie

856
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 5: in overtime, last time Minnesota has won a Purdue. I

857
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 5: thought that was one of the all time great performances.

858
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 5: I was thinking of that one. The other one I

859
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 5: thought of actually was Evan Turner Ohio State. He and

860
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 5: Robbie Hummel had a just a we've call like a

861
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 5: one on one battle. I think it was Rob's senior year,

862
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 5: maybe at mack the Arena, a game in which Ohio

863
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 5: State eventually won. Evan Turner had I don't know, thirty

864
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 5: two thirty four in that particular game. So those are

865
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 5: the guys that first came to mind as I was

866
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 5: trying to think about, you know, all time great performances

867
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 5: from an opponent. But none of the guys, none of

868
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 5: those names I just mentioned, can hold a candle to

869
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 5: what Keaton Wogler did on Saturday. I mean, I can't imagine.

870
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 5: You know, this is my twenty first year with Purdue Radio.

871
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 5: If I somehow managed to make it another twenty one years,

872
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 5: I can't imagine I would ever see that type of

873
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 5: a performance from an opponent ever again. At Maggie Arena,

874
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 5: maybe I will. But man, if I'm a betting man,

875
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 5: I would say no way, because that was one for

876
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 5: the ages.

877
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: Again. You know that voice that is the voice of

878
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: the pdue the global Radio Network. Rob Blackman join us here.

879
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: Him and Bobby Ridell will have you covered. And I

880
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: think Greg Ragstraw and I as we make our annual

881
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: scent upon us thirty one and back from the Notre

882
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: Dame Virginia game tonight. I have a feeling we'll be

883
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: dialing them up, certainly for a chunk of the game. Rob,

884
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: you you brought it up a few minutes ago, defending

885
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: the three point line, and you know, we discussed it

886
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: yesterday on the show, and then Matt Painter, I know,

887
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: was asked about it yesterday in the preview. It seems

888
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: like so much of tonight eight and really it's kind

889
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: of a big picture question for Purdue right now, is

890
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: about defending teams that have kind of that stretch four

891
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: if you will. You know, Ucla hits the game winner

892
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: kind of off of that type of action there. Oscar

893
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: Cloff and Trey Kauffman Ren are great post players, but

894
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: they also defend fives more than they defend fours, if

895
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: you will. It seems like tonight for me, Rob Boyle,

896
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: so much down to who commits to the other defensively. First,

897
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: I you guarding Trey Kauffman, w Ren and Oscar Clough

898
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: or Purdue having to chase Tuckerdrees around with IU now

899
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: having more shooters out there with Nick Dorn in the

900
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: starting lineup.

901
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, Kevin, I would add, are you trading two for

902
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 5: three in that scenario?

903
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: Sure?

904
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 5: Right, because obviously devrees every time he makes one it's

905
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: probably going to be for three, and every time TK

906
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 5: and Oscar makes one, it's probably going to be for two.

907
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 5: So you're already minus one in that exchange. But yes, boy,

908
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 5: you look at what Tyler Billadeou did on the game winner.

909
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 5: You mentioned it for you cla as a stretch for

910
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 5: and you know what Illinois did so well in our

911
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 5: coaches had talked about this even leading up to the game,

912
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 5: as they run so in NBA style offense, where they

913
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 5: get the ball in the hands of the guy they

914
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 5: want it, and then you can just watch a lot

915
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 5: of NBA basketballs. He knows. Then they just start running

916
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 5: a lot of ball screens until they get the switch

917
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 5: they want. And then when they get the switch they want,

918
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 5: you know, then you're cooked. Then you're just kind of

919
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 5: getting down to your knees and praying that the guy

920
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 5: misses a shot because that's true, only that's your only

921
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 5: way of stopping them. And so they just kept screening

922
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 5: for the ball for Woggler until he got the switch

923
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 5: they wanted, and then he could go to work and

924
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 5: he certainly went to work. But back to the original thought, absolutely,

925
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 5: if you find yourself exchange going bucket for bucket tonight

926
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 5: with de Breeze or whomever it might be. You know,

927
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 5: you mentioned him as a stretch four. You know obviously

928
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 5: Wilkerson's not a true four, but you can obviously stretch

929
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 5: the four as well. If you find yourself trading baskets

930
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 5: for Indiana Indiana tonight. Probably not a good scenario for

931
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 5: Purdue because, as they said, in that scenario, you're probably

932
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 5: trading twos for threes. And has even me a guy

933
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 5: who I'm not a real smart guy. You guys probably

934
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 5: know this, uh so map maybe not my forte, but

935
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 5: I know if one team gets three every time they

936
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 5: make a shot and my team gets two every time

937
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 5: they make a shot, probably not good for my team.

938
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 5: So that will be a concern tonight. Absolutely.

939
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 2: Who needs to watch Sesame Street Man? Who needs PBS?

940
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: Mark w Is dial you up and now my kids

941
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: can learn everything. Thank you for.

942
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: That, Rob. I do want to double back to Trey

943
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: Kaufman Wren. How would you evaluate the season he's had

944
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: so far? Knowing the talent he possesses, but perhaps at

945
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: least in my opinion, not being at the level that

946
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 3: I'm used to seeing him at in Big Ten play.

947
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 5: Well, his numbers are down scoring wise, but his numbers

948
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 5: are also up and rebounds and assist, and I think

949
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 5: that is to be fair to Tray, That's probably what

950
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 5: we expected coming into the season because of the addition

951
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 5: of Oscar Cluff and now Trey plays the four, and

952
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 5: it's quite frankly, he just doesn't get as many touches

953
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 5: in half court offense because perdue, as Purdue has done

954
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 5: ever since Matt Feinner has been there, is throws.

955
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: Purdue throws the ball inside every time.

956
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 5: That's just what they do. But instead of last year,

957
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 5: Trey got to touch it every time because he was

958
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 5: the one loan option in the post. Now you're splitting

959
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 5: those touches between he and Cluff. The other thing I

960
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 5: would say to Trey for Tray in his defense, because

961
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 5: I know some fans are I've been getting after him

962
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 5: because you know, look, he had nineteen twenty point games

963
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 5: last year, nineteen twenty games. Purdue only played thirty six games.

964
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 5: In nineteen of them, he scored twenty points. Some more,

965
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 5: he hasn't had a twenty point game yet this season.

966
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 5: But again, a big reason for that is well, as

967
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 5: I mentioned, he's really splitting touches in the post with

968
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 5: Cluff A and B. He's playing really in a proll

969
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 5: intends of purposes, a new position in a lot of

970
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 5: different ways. He mentioned we had him on our podcast.

971
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 5: I gets it was last week. I suppose it was,

972
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 5: and he said, you know, this is my fourth year

973
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 5: playing and I played four different positions for all intents

974
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 5: and purposes, So I'm kind of relearning a new position

975
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 5: now in the way I have to play as a

976
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 5: four with Oscar Cluff, So there has been a bit

977
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 5: of a learning curve there for him. But yeah, I

978
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 5: have to tell you he as a Purdue fan, he

979
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 5: would be the least of my worries simply because knowing

980
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 5: what he brings to the table. He was first team

981
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 5: All Big Ten last year. It's not like all of

982
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 5: a sudden he's forgotten how to play. Are his scoring

983
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 5: numbers down? Yes, But again, he's not the focal point

984
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 5: of the offense or really the only offensive option in

985
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 5: the low post like he was last year when Purdue

986
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 5: had no other option except for him.

987
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: For Pete's sake, that would be the podcast Rob representing

988
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: there him in the great Jolly maln Eraw have some

989
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: fun conbos throughout the course of the athletic season for

990
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: the Boilers, And as he said earlier, the stall tactics

991
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: will be out tonight as they wait until probably about

992
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: nine to ten for that one to tip off Bloomington.

993
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: Rob Safe travels down there and have a great, great call.

994
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: We will try.

995
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you Kevin, thank you James, thanks for having me.

996
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: Certainly a song we heard quite a lot in recent

997
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: weeks and months, mostly for the football program. Frankly, tonight,

998
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: are you fans w want to hear that a whole

999
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: lot down in Bloomington nine o'clock And as Rob Blackman

1000
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: said to us a half hour ago, you know what

1001
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: that means. That means more like nine to ten. It'll

1002
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 2: be peacock Tonight's Robbie Hummel and John Fanto will have

1003
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: your TV side of it. But of course, over on WIBC,

1004
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: a man that will be carrying the baton a whole

1005
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 2: lot and passing off to Don Fisher. He is John

1006
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: Herrick from w ib C. John good wind or, good Wednesday,

1007
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 2: good Tuesday morning to you, Sarah, how are you you can.

1008
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 6: Already be Wednesday, Kevin, with how long this week has

1009
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 6: already seen thanks to mother nature. But yeah, I'm doing

1010
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 6: great man, surviving.

1011
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: How are you doing to that, brother, Let's check in

1012
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: on the WIBC side of things before we get into tonight,

1013
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: of course, John the news director over there at WIBC.

1014
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: How we doing on traffic? How we doing on delays

1015
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 2: and closing today compared to yesterday.

1016
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 6: Well, the weird thing is, Kevin, I think, honestly, delays

1017
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 6: and closings are a little bit more. My kids are

1018
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 6: at home today on e learning and a lot of

1019
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 6: people are home on e learning or just closed period.

1020
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 6: Bigger issues at the airport fly to where reporting a

1021
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 6: lot of flights that have been canceled or delayed at

1022
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 6: the airport this morning, seeing a lot of slide offs

1023
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 6: and accidents on interstates. It's just been it's the same thing.

1024
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 6: It feels like every winter storm. People are told to

1025
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 6: be careful when they are out on the roads, and

1026
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 6: some people just cannot be careful. And that's been another

1027
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 6: issue again with this winter storm. But the good side

1028
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 6: is where there were travel warnings there are now they've

1029
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 6: been reduced to either travel watches or travel advisories. So

1030
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 6: that means that the road conditions are improving enough that

1031
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 6: things are easing up and people can get back out

1032
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 6: out there on the roads. But that doesn't mean that

1033
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 6: if you're just not under a travel warning that you

1034
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 6: can just drive however you want to. You still need

1035
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 6: to be driving very cautiously as you make your way

1036
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 6: into work or school or wherever you're going, because it's

1037
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 6: still pretty treacherous out there. These cold temperatures and ice

1038
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 6: are not going anywhere for a while.

1039
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: So, John, you're saying, when JMV tried to bully me

1040
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 3: into playing basketball Sunday over in Greenwood, I made the

1041
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: right choice to not drive.

1042
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 6: Oh, you made the one right choice.

1043
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: Going against JMV is probably where you start in terms

1044
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 2: of lawyers.

1045
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: You told me you're gonna slur to me on the radio,

1046
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: and I was like, hey, I got to just take it, man,

1047
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to be in a ditch.

1048
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 6: Wise choice.

1049
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: But on a more serious no, looking at the basketball

1050
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: side of things, we know what the football program has done.

1051
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: Everyone's riding high off that, but the IU on the

1052
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: hardwood has struggled a bit as of late. How big

1053
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: of a a matchup do you think tonight is for

1054
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: a resume builder because we were at this tournament. Resume,

1055
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: John there's just not a lot of marquee wins on it.

1056
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're exactly right, James, And that's why this game

1057
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 6: is not just big from a rivalry standpoint, but it's

1058
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 6: also big from a resume building standpoint. This basketball team

1059
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 6: has got to start finding a way to stack quad

1060
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 6: one wins on top of each other. You had an

1061
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 6: opportunity against Louisville, couldn't do it. You had an opportunity

1062
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 6: against Kentucky, fell short in the second half, and then

1063
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 6: you know, you had a golden opportunity against Nebraska struggled

1064
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 6: in the second half. Michigan State, you were right there

1065
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 6: with them, had a lead, and then Michigan State goes

1066
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 6: on a nineteen to oh run to win the game.

1067
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 6: So there's been opportunities and there's been flashes where they

1068
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 6: have looked good metrically. They're ranked higher than like the

1069
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 6: last two IU basketball teams in previous years that didn't

1070
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 6: make the tournament that they're better in terms of the

1071
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 6: metrics there. But they need to start. Coach Degrees said

1072
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 6: yesterday and his press availability, you know it's not really

1073
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 6: about being concerned about the numbers. It's just being concerned

1074
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 6: about getting one win and stacking that on top of

1075
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 6: another win and just building on it because it's probably

1076
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 6: going to take about twenty wins I would think, along

1077
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 6: with some quad one wins in there for the committee

1078
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 6: to sit there and go, Okay, let's put Indiana in

1079
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 6: the tournament. So they still got some work to do.

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00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 6: They're playing a Purdue team, it's obviously elite. Matt Painter

1081
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 6: is one of the best coaches you're ever going to

1082
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 6: see or hear from, and he I know his team

1083
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 6: is struggling a little bit right now. They've lost their

1084
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 6: last two, but they've been a very tough out for

1085
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 6: anybody in the Big Ten this year, and tonight should

1086
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 6: be an interesting but also very hard fought ball game

1087
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 6: on both sides.

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00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: Four and a half the line currently produe favorite over Indiana.

1089
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: John Herrick from the IU Radio Network, of course with

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00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: us here on the Payloss Slickers Hotline, WIBC will have

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Speaker 2: your coverage eight o'clock, right John, That's when you guys

1092
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 2: will be in tonight. That is when we will begin

1093
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: eight o'clock for that one. You know. Nick Dorn in

1094
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: the starting lineup. It's funny, John, we had this conversation

1095
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, and you just laid out IU's

1096
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 2: resume very well. And I think there are some questions,

1097
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: certainly A about the resume. B when they play bigger teams,

1098
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: how well can they hold up on the glass, things

1099
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: like that. But I also feel like they have the

1100
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: offensive potency and I said this before Dorn, when the

1101
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: starting lineup to where they will, they can shoot it

1102
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: so well, they're going to pull off an upset at

1103
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: some point. Like I'm a little surprised it's taken so

1104
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: long to do that. And then you watch Friday Night

1105
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: and you see what Nick Dorn can give them, And

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00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: now I kind of even believe that even more. What

1107
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: did you see Friday specifically and what Nick Dorn gives

1108
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: that starting lineup?

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00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 6: Well, I think you saw possibly the birth of a nickname.

1110
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 6: I mean, he was so good at hitting corner threes

1111
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 6: that the IU social media team started to call him

1112
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 6: Nick Dorner three. So maybe those corner threes are knocking.

1113
00:52:55,160 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 6: He's knocking those down to the end and that helps you. Yeah,

1114
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 6: so I got to give all the credit to the

1115
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 6: fantastic IU social media teams are coming up with that one.

1116
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 6: But no, I mean, you're right, Kevin. If he can

1117
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 6: start knocking down those shots, that changes the whole dynamic

1118
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 6: of everything. I don't know how Debrees is going to

1119
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 6: go with the starting lineup, if Tayton Connorway is going

1120
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 6: to be healthy enough to start. He's battling a bit

1121
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 6: of an ankle issue, but he doesn't. I mean, he

1122
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 6: does need to be out there because connor weighs a

1123
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 6: threat and he needs to be out there to take away,

1124
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 6: you know, some offensive pressure from Lamar Wilkerson and Tucker

1125
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 6: Debrees and things of that nature. But yeah, if you

1126
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 6: just get Dorn going and he continues to build off

1127
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 6: of what he did against Rutgers, that is going to

1128
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 6: just make this team even more difficult to defend. The

1129
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 6: other thing I really love, Kevin about the Rutgers performance

1130
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 6: was when Rutgers started to make a run. Indiana pushed

1131
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 6: the lead to twenty and Rutgers very quickly cut that

1132
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 6: down to twelve. And that would have been in the

1133
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 6: past where Indiana might struggle to, you know, push the

1134
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 6: lead back up and respond. They did not do that.

1135
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 6: They did not struggle to respond. They immediately found a

1136
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 6: way to get that lead back up to even hire

1137
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 6: and eventually win the game by twenty three and win

1138
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 6: a game at Rutgers where Indiana has not been successful.

1139
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 6: Let's face that Indiana has struggled at Rutgers in recent years.

1140
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 6: That was their first win at Rutgers since the twenty

1141
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 6: seventeen eighteen year. So that's definitely the confidence type of

1142
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 6: building win that you needed to have going into tonight's game.

1143
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: John, how would you evaluate the season that Lamar Wilkinson

1144
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: is having and when you talk about trying to get

1145
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 3: some of these MARKI wins picked up, I feel like

1146
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: it's going to take perhaps some of those hero performances

1147
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 3: that we've seen from him throughout the season.

1148
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think you're right there, James. But also I

1149
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 6: think what has to happen is he has to start well.

1150
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 6: And then once he starts well and he starts taking

1151
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 6: attention away on the defense, that's just going to open

1152
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 6: things up for you know, Nick dor And it's going

1153
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 6: to open things up for Tucker Debries, It's going to

1154
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 6: open things up for Tayton Connorway and other guys like that,

1155
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 6: and then you know, then what happens too, is you

1156
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 6: get soap concerned about what the perimeter is doing, you

1157
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 6: get so concerned about what Wilkerson and Deviries are doing

1158
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 6: on the perimeter that you see Sam Alexis get opened

1159
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 6: for a dunk, Reed Bailey get open for a dunk.

1160
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 6: So those are it just it all seems to start

1161
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 6: with Wilkerson and flow from there. And I think that's

1162
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 6: what you're going to see tonight is they're going to

1163
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 6: try to get Wilkerson involved early and his speed and

1164
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 6: his quick release on the shot that shots that he

1165
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 6: takes are going to be important. It's also going to

1166
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 6: be important to see Tucker Devrees continue to do what

1167
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 6: he's doing. Before the Rutgers game, he was struggling and

1168
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 6: to see him get back on track and get a

1169
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 6: double double very big for him and this basketball team.

1170
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 2: John, did I miss this? And I, unfortunately, I feel

1171
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: like IU fans were just still basketing the Gloria week

1172
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: ago today that the Michigan game was on the back burner.

1173
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: Did I hear Don Fisher tell JMV that he missed

1174
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: his flight to Ann Arbor?

1175
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 6: Well, if he told him that, I guess the Cats

1176
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 6: out of the bag. Yeah, I look it was. It

1177
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 6: was a crazy time.

1178
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: Oh sure.

1179
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 6: We were all up until about three in the morning

1180
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 6: the night before, hugging and high five and having some

1181
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 6: adult beverages. It was quite a night. And I thought

1182
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 6: he was fine. I thought he got to the airport

1183
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 6: on time. And then Susie, his wife, Susie, came over

1184
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 6: and said, hey, Don missed his connecting flight, so we

1185
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 6: have to figure out an alternate plan. And then Brendan

1186
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 6: Goolik stepped in and did a very good job. And

1187
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 6: Brendan's a good friend of mine. Actually, Brendan and I

1188
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 6: worked in Oklahoma at the same time. We worked in

1189
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 6: the same state, did broadcasting in different ways. So when

1190
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 6: I heard that Brendan was going to make the drive

1191
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 6: over from Cleveland on kind of an emergency basis there,

1192
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 6: I was actually kind of relieved to hear that because

1193
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 6: I knew he would do a good job. But yeah,

1194
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 6: I mean sometimes in life and then broadcasting that happens,

1195
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 6: and you got to roll with the punches, and we

1196
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 6: did just cat But yeah, what a crazy time last

1197
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 6: week was.

1198
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: That is incredible. So what does Brendan do play by playwise?

1199
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: What's his full time gig?

1200
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 6: I think he's done a lot of stuff for Cincinnati,

1201
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 6: like the Cincinnati Bearcats and things of that nature. And

1202
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 6: he that does a lot of writing for online publications too,

1203
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 6: so he's very versatile.

1204
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: So did he with Eric?

1205
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: Then yes he did?

1206
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Eric travel with the team there. That is too

1207
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: too funny. Okay, Well, and you well end with this. Gosh,

1208
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, it might be a stupid question. Will

1209
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: you remember the Omar Cooper catch against Penn State more?

1210
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: The D'Angelo pons picked six more?

1211
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 6: That's a great question. I I think I'm gonna remember

1212
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 6: the D'Angelo hans picked six a little bit more. I'll

1213
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 6: give the slide edge to that. And here's why, because

1214
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 6: the how loud it got at the Peach Bowl the

1215
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 6: second he intercepted that pass and ran it back for

1216
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 6: a touchdown. That was a roar of a crowd and

1217
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 6: the feeling I'll never forget. Uh, the Oldmark Cooper catch

1218
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 6: was legendary and we'll always be remembered. But I thought

1219
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 6: once once Fernando Mendoza got sacked, but he got back

1220
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 6: up and he threw a first down to Cooper, and

1221
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 6: then he threw a big pass to Riley Nowakowski and

1222
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 6: then Charlie Becker.

1223
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: I just had the.

1224
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 6: Confidence that once he got going on that drive, that

1225
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 6: Indiana was going to score. But you don't expect on

1226
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 6: the first play of the game that Dante more is

1227
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 6: going to get intercepted by the Angelo Pans. I still

1228
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 6: can't believe that he decided to try Di Angelo Hans

1229
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 6: on the first play of the game, and yet he did.

1230
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 6: And because of that, I think that's going to be

1231
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 6: far more memorable to me. And just hearing how loud

1232
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 6: who's your nation got at the Peach Bowl something I'm

1233
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 6: not going to ever forget.

1234
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's true, it was Defenie. I hate

1235
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: to put anything in a key smart you know, sort

1236
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: of Christian Watford realm, but you know, there are several

1237
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: moments that deserve, I think, to be in that same

1238
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 2: sort of breath. When it comes to IU athletics, John,

1239
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: congrats on a great year. I know it's super busy

1240
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: when those two overlapped a whole whole lot. Safe travels

1241
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: down to Bloomington tonight and we will be lighting the

1242
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: midnight oil with you.

1243
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 6: All right, sounds great, Thank you about it.