1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Okay, I need an audience participation poll here because I 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: have a legitimate question that I'm curious about, and I 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: thought about it last night and today, and it's going 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: to sound like I'm trying to create some sort of divisiveness. 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm usually you know, I'm all encompassing type thing. 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: But here is my Colt's question for the masses. This 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: is for the most part, and we've been lucky in 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: this town because we really have not had long periods 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: of complete void of excitement from a sports standpoint. Usually 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: between the two major sports franchises in town, one of 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: the two is playing at a very high level if 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: the other is not. For a long time, when the 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: Colts were finding their footing in the NFL, the Pacers 14 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: were rising and were really good. Then the Pacers had 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: a long period of mediocrity, at which point the Colts 16 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: were at their zenith. And then for a while there 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: they were both clicking at a very high rate. And 18 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: then obviously it became especially coming off of the Manning 19 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: era and then into luck. I mean, this, without question 20 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: was an NFL Colts town. This had transferred to and 21 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: I don't know that it was ever first and foremost 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: an NBA town, but it was certainly a basketball town, 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: maybe collegiately more than By the way, that cluster truck 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: you got smells fabulous. What did you get exactly, Ady? 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: Korean barbecue salmon, Jacob, that's been your go to, right, 26 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: I've had it twice now in the last three weeks. 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: I had the case of DL last week. What body 28 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: of water in Korea do you think they find that salmon? 29 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: Are there a lot of streams in Korea? 30 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: No? 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: No, no, no, Jake, it's the barbecue sauce. Is a 32 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: Korean barbecue sauce. The salmon is the salmon. 33 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: The salmon, No, it's it's it's a it's a barbecued 34 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: Korean salmon. Right, it's salmon with barbie. So where in 35 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: care So? Where in Korea are they getting the barbecue? Said? 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: North or South? 37 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 2: Looks like there's pepper and salt in some jasmine rice. 38 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: Very good stuff, all right. So here's my question. Now 39 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: that the Pacers did what they did and got within 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: a whisker of an NBA title, Okay, does that in 41 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: any way, shape or form alter the enthusiasm that fans 42 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: have for the Colt season. I'm not saying that it's shifted, 43 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to create divide. There is somewhat, 44 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: I think a rivalry between the franchises locally, at least 45 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: competition for the headlines. And I know that they support 46 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: one another, and I know that Jim Mersey, like his 47 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: final tweet was about the Pacers playing the Knicks, and 48 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: I get all that, and I know that everybody wants 49 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: both franchises to do well. But does your excitement for 50 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: the Colts season get tempered in any way, shape or 51 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: form or altered in any way, shape or form because 52 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: of the high that you're coming off of for the 53 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: Pacers and how close the Pacers were to a title, 54 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: and then the reality of knowing how far the Colts 55 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: theoretically are away, because from the Pacers standpoint, like they 56 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: made it to the top of the mountain and then 57 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: instantly like they let go of the tow rope and 58 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: slid back down to you know, Camp base two, and 59 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: you know that it's going to be a while before 60 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: they get back up there. But nonetheless, they were there 61 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: and it was magical. But it's a reminder and it 62 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: makes you instantly realize how far away the Colts might 63 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: be and then it reinforces or it recreates the reality 64 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: in your mind of like, man, look how far it 65 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: is to go because they're I mean seemingly they're in 66 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: a division that is there for the taking. I mean, 67 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: I know, Houston is we think going to be good, 68 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: but are they We don't know how good I mean. 69 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: And I'm just curious if the season seems to have 70 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: win taken out of its sales because of the recency 71 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: bias of how good the Pacers were. Did it almost 72 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: make the Colts? Did it deemphasize the excitement? I think 73 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 1: for a long time the Colts camp and the Colts 74 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: getting back on the playing field, we were super stoked 75 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: about it because it had been you know, oftentimes three 76 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: to four months before we've seen pro sports in this town, 77 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: and that was say a first round exit or a 78 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: miss of the playoffs by the Pacers. Now there's so 79 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: much interest and intrigue about the Pacers. Has that taken 80 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: away from what today is a report day? 81 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: Like people are dreading the start of the Cult season 82 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: because they have low expectations. 83 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 4: And yeah, I don't dreadgs probably the wrong word, but 84 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 4: yes to an extent, right, does it feel like a 85 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 4: more an even more arduous task because you're like, oh man, 86 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 4: you know, in other words, you when you think about 87 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 4: the injury, and then you really stop and you're like, 88 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, they were so close. 89 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: And think about everything that had to happen, and talking 90 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: about Tyresee's injury. Yes, okay, and you're like, and you know, 91 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: they were so close and to be that close and 92 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: then realize and it takes like three or four revisits 93 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: in your mind to reinforce and realize that their timeline 94 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: was thrown off that much. And now all of a sudden, 95 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: you're like, oh man, so the Pacers got to kind 96 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: of pick up the pieces and then move forward. And 97 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: then you compare that to the Colts, and you're like, 98 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: wait a minute, they were never even there to begin with, 99 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: and they've kind of been doing any I think you 100 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: made a very good point there, the white noise of like, 101 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: in all honesty, the Chris Ballard press conference today, same 102 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: old bleep, different year. If we put a pulled up 103 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: the recording of that from twenty nineteen, would it have 104 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: been how different would it have been? The names would 105 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: have been different, but would the line, the company line 106 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: have been different. It would have been like the same 107 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: old thing, right, And so does it feel like because 108 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: we finally saw a breakthrough progress on one side of downtown, 109 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: does it feel like you're stuck in the mud with 110 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: the other one? 111 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: I mean, the players certainly should be in the mindset of, hey, 112 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: look what this city did for the pacers and how 113 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: they backed them and surrounded them and supported them. Like, 114 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: if they're willing to do that for them, they can 115 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: certainly do that for us. We've got to, you know, 116 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: we got to get our bleep together for the fans 117 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: and for the city. 118 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this question. I asked somebody 119 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: this earlier. In your kitchen. Right now, I want you 120 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: to envision your kitchen. Okay, visioning Heck, I can pull 121 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: it up right now. If you're lying, how many we've 122 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: got a camp? How many? How many kitchen drawers do 123 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: you have? Five? Uh? Six? Okay? Six? Okay, now I 124 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: think the far left. You open that up. That's you 125 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: got utensils in one of them, right, you're you're far right, okay, 126 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: far right. The next to that one, okay, you open 127 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: that up. What's in there? Maybe an oven mid or two? 128 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: Next to that one? Um, yeah, okay. Then then give 129 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: me the third. What's in a third one? I think 130 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: we've got the like a container lids? Okay, I'm very organized, Jake. Okay. 131 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: Then the fourth what do you have that would be, uh, 132 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: the containers okay? And then fifth if we're last or 133 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: seven words bags like plastic bags, that type of stuff. 134 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: Now here's here's where I'm getting with this. Okay. Then 135 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: you get to number six. When you open that drawer 136 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: and it probably squeaks half the time. It doesn't open 137 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: because something is like higher up than it needs to be. 138 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: And you open it up and you look in that 139 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: drawer and it's got two sharpies. It's the giant drawer, 140 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: a tape measurer, a roll of tape, some random band aid, 141 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: and like a phone charger from a phone you had 142 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: three generations ago. Right, It's just like eclectic crap thrown 143 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: in there, and it feels like in the NFL. The NFL, 144 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: that's what the AFC South is, right, eclectic crap. The 145 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: AFC South is the junk drawer of the NFL. Right, Yeah, 146 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: to the rest of the league. You open it up 147 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,479 Speaker 1: and you're like, this is this jaguar And then the Texans. 148 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: They're like an expansion, but they're kind of not. They've 149 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: been around a while, but they can't get it in 150 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: the right direction. And then the Titans, I don't know 151 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: what they're doing. And then there's the Colts. And yet 152 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: with that division, with the in being in the junk drawsion, 153 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: nobody in that division when they win the division and 154 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: gets into the playoffs, none of them do anything. I mean, 155 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: the Titans went randomly to an AFC title game with 156 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill cool. The Jaguars randomly went to an AFC 157 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: title game with Blake Bortles cool. Outside of that, each 158 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: of them get their turn of the rotation. They get 159 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: picked out of the crowd, and the price is right 160 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: to come down and spin the big wheel, and they 161 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: they spin it and they get on ninety five cents 162 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: and instead of taking that, they'd spin it again and 163 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: they hit ninety five cents again. 164 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: Done. 165 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: Drew carries like, thanks for playing, You're gone right every time. 166 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: And yet with that, every other team in the division 167 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: has won the division twice since Indianapolis last won it. 168 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: So is there a feeling for the fan base of 169 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: what are we doing here? You gonna find out what's 170 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: going on out at Grand Park with Stephen Holder, who 171 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: joins us and has surrendered his personal life as he 172 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: knows it for the next four months. Joins us. Now 173 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: on the guests line, I can hear the Are you 174 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: at the Masters? It sounds like you're at Augusta Nationals. 175 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: I heard Bertie's chirping. Sounds very peaceful, Stephen. 176 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: Oh no, not even close. I wish, well, what's still fine? 177 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: It's fine. 178 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: So you're still at Grand Park? Is that right? 179 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: Just left, just left, just round the corner. 180 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, fair enough, All right, let's begin with this 181 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: early well from a health standpoint, and obviously I'm going 182 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: from afar because I got in here right as things 183 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: were kind of getting both you know, settled in from 184 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: report day and then Chris Ballard speaking. But from what 185 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: I was able to tell, there were no reports of 186 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: significant injury or miss time, although Zire Franklin is going 187 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: to be a spectator for a while. Anything else that 188 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: I missed. 189 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 3: No, that's the encouraging thing I'd say. Anthony Richardson first 190 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: off is obviously the big one. You know, as I, 191 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: as I said or wrote last week, are indicated he's 192 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 3: he's good. To go. According to Chris Ballard, there may 193 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: be some restriction on him in terms of how many 194 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: throws they're going to chart his throw so that you know, 195 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 3: they don't have any setbacks there, but they don't have 196 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: any concerns according to their evaluation, so that's good. Sire 197 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: Franklin is the one I think to watch. He has 198 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 3: had an off season ankle surgery and he's still not 199 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: cleared to practice, but Chris Ballard said it won't be 200 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 3: very long, so we will see how that goes and 201 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: and see if that. 202 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: Proves to be true. 203 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 3: Otherwise, they're they're pretty good. They're in good shape and 204 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: Nobode's gonna go on the the puplist. They won't have 205 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: any of those and they normally have at least a couple. 206 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 3: They won't have that this year. Sampson epucom at defensive end. 207 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 3: He missed last season as you know with the. 208 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: The Achilles tier. Uh. 209 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 3: He's cleared, so they feel good about that as well. 210 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's the that's the good news. 211 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: On Day one, Stephen Chris Ballard spent about thirty minutes 212 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: answering questions talking with the media. Admittedly, and I'm a 213 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: little I go back and forth on this Stephen. I 214 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: think he's in a tough spot to an extent in 215 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: terms of set out that it's his goal to satisfy 216 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: media or fans. But if he comes out and says, look, 217 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: I think I'm thrilled about our roster. I think we're 218 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: gonna be great. I'm ready for the year. We're gonna 219 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: be competitive, we're gonna be tough, then everybody's gonna go 220 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: what is this guy talking about? He says the same 221 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: thing every year, and yet he comes out and I 222 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: thought was a little more humble, a little more realistic 223 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: than in years past. And so then we want to 224 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: torch him for saying he knows his team in very good. 225 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: So it's a little bit of a double edged sword. 226 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: Your interpretation of I guess the mood and the approach 227 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: from Chris Ballard versus years past was what. 228 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, what I think the thing to 229 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 3: point out is I satement fear. I think the thing 230 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 3: to point out is I think he knows and I 231 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: would agree with this. I think he believes Chris Pallor 232 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: that they have a good roster, a top the bottom. 233 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: I think that's been true for quite some time. Better 234 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 3: this year than last year. I thought last year he 235 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: left too many holes on defense. But generally speaking, they 236 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: have a strong roster, and they have for quite some time. 237 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: The problem is they just can't get it together at quarterback. Well, 238 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: what distinguishes your team from the next NFL it's the 239 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 3: freaking quarterback. 240 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: Right. 241 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: So now that is a tough thing to navigate when 242 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 3: you're asked, well, why aren't you guys winning more? Well, 243 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 3: the answer you want to be honest and say, well, 244 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: because we've sucked at quarterback, But that also oversimplified it, 245 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: and it sounds like you're trying to dodge responsibility when 246 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: you say that. Right, So he is in a tough 247 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: spot sometimes, there's no question about that. I think he 248 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: understands that, and he's very perceptive, Chris Pallard. He gets 249 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: it like he knows, he understands, he knows how to 250 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: read a room, all those things. He's very smart. So 251 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: he was very careful in what he says. I would say, 252 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: in terms of difference between this year and in the past, 253 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: I think that not a ton of difference, except to 254 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 3: say I think that there was more attention paid by 255 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: him and his players today to the fact that they 256 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 3: haven't been in the postseason for too long. He even said, 257 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: he said, this is the longest in my career I've 258 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: gone without being in the playoffs in anywhere he's worked 259 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: as a GM or not. I'm talking about throughout his career, 260 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: even as a scout. So it's very it's very top 261 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: of mind for him, and like, even if he doesn't 262 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: talk about it all the time, it's hitting him in 263 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 3: the face every single day. And I think he understands that. 264 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: And I thought he shed a little bit of light 265 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: on that with that comment. So that was interesting and 266 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: I thought notable. 267 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: You know, when you when you look at the Anthony 268 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: richards and Daniel Jones situation, I thought he spent more 269 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: time Chris ballor did And maybe it's because it's the 270 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: guy he knows more so to speak, and he brought 271 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: in both. But I thought he he was asked for 272 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: about Richardson. I get that, but he seemed to go 273 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: far more and more in detail about expectation and et 274 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: cetera of Anthony Richardson than Daniel Jones. But you were there. 275 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: Am I misinterpreting what I heard? 276 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: No, I think that's fair. And I would also add 277 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 3: he was asked far more questions about Anthony Richardson because 278 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 3: I do think that there are That's where the questions exist, right, 279 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: I mean, can Anthony Richardson figure this out and hold 280 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: on to his job? Daniel Jones, Well, there are questions 281 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: about how it's going to go with him. I think 282 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: it's more I think people have an expectation in their 283 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: mind of how he'll perform and what he'll be, and 284 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: with Anthony Richardson, it's a little more wide open, I guess, 285 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: you know. So the questions were certainly more geared toward 286 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson, no question about that, and so the feedback 287 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: was as well. I would also say, though he certainly is, 288 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 3: I think he could argue Chris Ballace more invested in 289 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson. Frankly, they all are. I mean, if Daniel 290 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: Jones comes in and wins the job and play is 291 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: sort of like just okay, they're not accomplished anything. 292 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: Right. 293 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: If Anthony Richardson wins the job and plays at a 294 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: decent level, that actually is something to hang your hat on, 295 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: because that's progress. 296 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: Right. 297 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: So I just think they there's an understanding, certainly by 298 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: Chris Ballard, whose job as GM is to look at 299 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: the big picture. There's an understanding that like, if they're 300 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: going to figure out the quarterback situation, Anthony Richardson having 301 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 3: a good season could be a step toward that, right, 302 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 3: So anyway, I just I just imagine that's kind of 303 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: some of the thoughts that that kind of go through 304 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: his head and are informing his answers. 305 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: You know, Stephen, I was asking his earlier and I'm 306 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: your thought on it. Does the success of the Pacers 307 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: in any way take away wind out of the sales 308 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: of the Colts season? Because it's in other words, we 309 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: see one team in town that was at the top 310 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: of the mountain, and the whole city falls in love 311 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: with it, and everybody loves the Colts too. It don't 312 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: get me wrong. I mean, you know, I'm not saying that. 313 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: But then it it the contrast because it's in such 314 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: an immediacy, because we're coming right off of it. Does 315 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: it make it difficult Do you think for the fan 316 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: base to push all in this early, knowing how far 317 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: away the franchise may be based on what they just saw. 318 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: That's an interesting question. I I would say, I would 319 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: say this, though. The first thing I'd say is that 320 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: watching that Pacers run and being there for some of 321 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: it and experiencing it and watching how the city embraced them, 322 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 3: it was a reminder for me as someone who covers football. 323 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 3: It was a reminder for me just how long it's 324 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 3: been since the Colts provided any of that. Okay, it's 325 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 3: been a long time, and that's just a really hard 326 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 3: thing to swallow. If you're a Colts fan, you know, 327 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: you invest a lot of emotion, a lot of time, 328 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 3: a lot of money in cases into that team and 329 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 3: to not get anything out of it those feelings that 330 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 3: you go searching for as a fan, that's a hard 331 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 3: thing to swallow. So I guess that's where I come 332 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 3: down on it. It's just like you want a return on 333 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 3: investment for what you put into as a fan. And 334 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 3: I'm not even talking about money. Even if you never 335 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 3: buy a ticket, you're still investing your heart and your 336 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 3: emotions in that team, you know, because you give something 337 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: of yourself to support your favorite team and you've got 338 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: nothing to show for it. If you're a Colts fan 339 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 3: and a very long time, that's a tough thing, man, 340 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 3: That's a very tough thing. So I just think that 341 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 3: the Pacers offered a reminder of what it's like to 342 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: get a payoff for that, and if you're a Colts fan, 343 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 3: you're wondering, well, where's the where's the payoff for me? 344 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 3: So that's what that's what I say about it. 345 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: How far off do you think they are? Well, you know, 346 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: I think they are. 347 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 3: They are a team in the AFC that is kind 348 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 3: of middle of the pack, and the question on whether 349 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: they can go further than that is a quarterback question, right, 350 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 3: and the quarterback has to elevate the team beyond what 351 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: it currently is. And in any team, right, I mean, 352 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 3: if you take the top quarterbacks off of their teams, 353 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: then what kind of team are they? What are the 354 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills If you take Josh Allen off and replace 355 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 3: them with Daniel Jones, Well, they're just probably a middle 356 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: of the pack team, you know, And I think that's 357 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: that's just where they are. And so when you ask 358 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 3: me where do they stand and where are they? You know, 359 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 3: what is the end game for the Colts? I think 360 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: they're a team that's that's in the middle of the pack. 361 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 3: You can't go five hundred anymore because of the unbalanced 362 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: schedule at seventeen games, But They're essentially a five hundred 363 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 3: team that can be more depending on the quarterback. 364 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: Steve, it just feels so many reasons. I mean, they're 365 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: in it. I mentioned in earlier they're in a division 366 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: that's basically the drunk the junk drawer of the NFL. 367 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 5: Right, yeah, yeah, it's not good enough. Look, I'm not 368 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 5: saying it's good enough. It's not, but that's what they are. 369 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 5: They're a five hundred team, roughly a five hundred team 370 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 5: that could be better if they have better quarterback play. 371 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 5: But the odds of them having that elevated quarterback play 372 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 5: they aren't good, right, because neither quarterback has done that. 373 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 3: Neither of the two quarterbacks they have have done that. 374 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 3: So where does that leave them? That leaves them eight 375 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 3: and nine, nine and eight and sitting at home in January. 376 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: And that's not good enough. 377 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: Stephen Holder is our guest ESPN dot com, where you 378 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: can read his work, and of course you'll see you 379 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: on ESPN as well. All right, tomorrow ten o'clock, everything 380 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: gets underway. How long Stephen into the camp do we 381 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: go before we start really taking a hyper look at 382 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: exactly who's getting the most snaps at quarterback? 383 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: Oh? Tomorrow. I mean, well, I'm exaggerating a little bit, 384 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 3: but there's gonna be a lot of scrutiny. We are 385 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: going to be looking at every indicator. And to that end, 386 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: Chris Ballard said today, he says everything matters, every rep, 387 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 3: every practice, every game snap, every preseason game snap. He 388 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 3: was very clear, it all matters and it will all 389 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: factor into the decision. So I will take my cues 390 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 3: from the general manager and pay attention to all of these. 391 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: How much of it comes into Steven? How much will 392 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: factor in just on for example, if they invested a 393 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: first round pick Tyler Warren and we know he's going 394 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: to be or expect that he's going to be a 395 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: very good player right away. Let's say Anthony Richardson is 396 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: hitting Ady Mitchell and Alec Pearson stride on every play, 397 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: but he can't hit Tyler Warren in the intermediary to 398 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: save his life. How much of who it is that 399 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: he is able to help or hurt goes into the 400 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: factor in the decision, if you will. If Daniel Jones, 401 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: for example, is spoon feeding Tyler Warren on the regular 402 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: but can't go over twenty four yards with accuracy, you 403 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: see what I'm saying there, like, is there one player 404 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: that they go but we need to prioritize this guy 405 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: in involvement. I don't think that'll. 406 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: Be a basis for the decision now I would say no, 407 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 3: but I do think the scenario you pointed out, the 408 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 3: scenario you painted is not out of the question. You know, 409 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 3: how they evaluate all that we will see, But I 410 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: do think that's a reality when you have two quarterbacks 411 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 3: are different. The one thing I'd say Chris Powler did 412 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 3: make this statement, and I tend to agree. He said 413 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 3: their quarterbacks this season are a little more similar than 414 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 3: in the past. So for example, last year you had 415 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson and Joe Flacco. They have nothing in common. Okay, 416 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: in terms of stylistically, they don't have anything in common. 417 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 3: I think if you go back to Anthony and Gardner 418 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: Minshew for example, right, what do they have in common? 419 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 3: Practically nothing? Right, So this year, while I know we 420 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 3: don't think of Daniel Jones in that way, he is 421 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 3: a guy who can use his legs and uses athleticism, 422 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 3: get out of the pocket, can do quarterback runs. So 423 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: they have some commonalities this year, so maybe it'll be 424 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: less so when it comes to the disparity between how 425 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 3: they play. But I do think they are different in 426 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: terms of explosiveness, There's no question about that. And Daniel 427 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: Jones is that guy in his career. 428 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: All right, Tomorrow ten until eleven o'clock practice underway. We 429 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: will be out there live tomorrow, by the way, from 430 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: twelve until three. Steven Holder will have it all covered 431 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: as well as well. Obviously the morning guys, Kevin and 432 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: James be out there as well. Steven appreciate it as always, 433 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: all right, enjoy the by the way, apened, Is it 434 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: really hot outside? Is it gonna be It's gonna be 435 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: hot tomorrow, right, plenty of liquids. 436 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 3: Today was nice. Today was nice, but it's it's gonna 437 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 3: be burning up later this week. 438 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: So welcome, welcome, okay, I got that to look forward 439 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: to it, all right, Steven, appreciate it. All right, you go, 440 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: Steven Holder joining us on the program.