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Speaker 1: They will begin here within a week in the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten at Minnesota is upcoming on December third, but they

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Speaker 1: Assembly Hall. Joining us now on the Java House, Peel

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Speaker 1: from peags dot com joining us and Rabbi. I'll begin

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Speaker 1: with this when you look at where Darren Devreese's group

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Speaker 2: I think rebounding against bigger players, bigger front lines is

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Speaker 2: they had last night against Kansas State, where everybody goes

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Speaker 2: center's fault. Sometimes it's not your foreman's fault. Sometimes your

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Speaker 2: that's gonna be something that you know, you look at

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Speaker 2: You know, they gave up double figure offensive rebounds to Lindenwood,

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Speaker 2: it happened in a twenty point win. So it's harmless

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Speaker 2: in a way. In fact, it's completely harmless as far

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Speaker 2: as your metrics go. Then you come back against Kansas

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Speaker 2: lot better. They block out. They only gave out, gave

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Speaker 2: You had you know, backups walk ons on the floor.

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Speaker 2: So but I think for me, I love the shooting

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Speaker 2: shot nights when the shots don't always go in, But

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Speaker 2: you know, metrics favor the teams that shoot more threes

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Speaker 2: if you have three point shooters, So they need to

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Speaker 2: shoot more threes, not less. I mean they need games

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Speaker 2: last night where it's okay, boys go fire it away,

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Speaker 1: Do you think, Jeff the you know, Kansas State is

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Speaker 1: Who is the player for Indiana? Jeff rab John's my

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Speaker 1: guest job a house peelingpoorguestline peaks dot com, where you

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Speaker 1: can always read his coverage of Indiana basketball. We know,

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Speaker 1: obviously Wilkerson in Devrees are scorers, and they're shooters in particular, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well there would be two for me. But

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Speaker 2: got to get threes for la Mar Wilkerson, Interigetive Reeves.

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Speaker 2: But you also have to keep the ball moving, so

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Speaker 2: The ball has to move. So who's the best player,

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Speaker 2: And it's not really all that close. You know, Bailey's

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Speaker 2: You know, I IU beats a Power four team last

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Speaker 2: His best he's in point four, but he can do

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Speaker 2: you play Taste It Play, it's tatn Connorway because, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I made the joke last night. They're like,

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Speaker 1: No no question, you know, it's funny, Jeff, because you can.

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Speaker 2: Shoot well enough, like two for seven from last night

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Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 1: My initial reaction in Jeff rab John's I want you

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Speaker 1: reaction to Trent Sisly is that he is a really

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my brother. Happy Thanksgiving to you, to your

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Speaker 1: Championship weekend at Lucas Oil Stadium. Everything getting underway on Friday.

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Speaker 1: that what Lures has done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, they're they're they started oh and three, but

430
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Speaker 3: then you go back and look at their their schedule

431
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Speaker 3: and it's like, well, shoot, they played the you know,

432
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Speaker 3: they're playing up, you know, playing two teams that are

433
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Speaker 3: bigger than them in almost every scenario. So you know,

434
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 3: it's not a situation where you know, it's it's not

435
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Speaker 3: like they were just playing poorly. You know, Andrean is

436
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 3: one of the teams I lost to that. You know,

437
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 3: they're they're A two A state finalists, you know. But

438
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Speaker 3: other than that, you know their schedules pretty much, you know,

439
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Speaker 3: all six A, four A five A teams, you know,

440
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Speaker 3: and and then they're then they get into their three

441
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Speaker 3: A once the season is over, so you know, it's

442
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Speaker 3: it's an unusual situation where you know, their talent level

443
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Speaker 3: doesn't always match the record, and you know, the last

444
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Speaker 3: team that's pretty it is pretty unusual to have five

445
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Speaker 3: losses and make it this far. I think seven seven

446
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 3: teams all time have won a state title with five

447
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Speaker 3: losses or more, and Cathedral was actually the last team

448
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Speaker 3: to do it, and it's been I think eleven years

449
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Speaker 3: ago was the last time it happened. But Lures actually

450
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Speaker 3: did it once too, you know, nine, So it's it

451
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Speaker 3: does happen occasionally, and a lot of times it is

452
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Speaker 3: teams like Lures and in Cathedral, and you know, the

453
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Speaker 3: teams that really play at a tougher, you know, higher

454
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Speaker 3: level opponents than their class. So I think that's that's

455
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Speaker 3: pretty much the case here. I think anybody, anyone who

456
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Speaker 3: knows Lures, no one's ever made it here to the

457
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Speaker 3: state finals as many times as they have. So when

458
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Speaker 3: you see their helmet and their name out there, I

459
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Speaker 3: think everybody knows, you know, you're getting a really good team.

460
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Speaker 3: So you know, that's not like, you know, it's not

461
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Speaker 3: like this is an upset type situation, but but yeah,

462
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Speaker 3: it'll be it'll be fun. They're Lures is a little

463
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Speaker 3: bit young on offense and they're older on defense, so

464
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Speaker 3: I would say that's a you know that that'll make

465
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Speaker 3: for some intriguing matchups on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's click through a couple of other of the

467
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Speaker 1: local teams. Kyle Nenrip, My Guest, Java House Peel and

468
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Speaker 1: Poor Guest Line where you're hearing his voice, Indie Star

469
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Speaker 1: where you read his work. New Palamarraville. Let's go back

470
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Speaker 1: to that. New Pal obviously as good as any program

471
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Speaker 1: in the state. I think they've won what twenty six,

472
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Speaker 1: twenty seven in a row, but Merrillville presents what challenge.

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Speaker 3: Well, their offense is just really outstanding and they they

474
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Speaker 3: they they they're over two hundred yards per game both

475
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Speaker 3: running and passing, which is which is pretty unusual. In

476
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Speaker 3: their quarterback Michael Hill Junior, a very dynamic player, over

477
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Speaker 3: three thousand yards passing thirty touchdowns. And then they have

478
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Speaker 3: a Cameron Jordan has scored of a running back slash receiver.

479
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Speaker 3: He kind of does both for them, and then JQ Johnson,

480
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Speaker 3: their running back is over well over a thousand I

481
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Speaker 3: think he's thirteen hundred yards rushing, so you know, so

482
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Speaker 3: that's the matchup I think that'll be intriguing in that

483
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Speaker 3: game is New Pal's defense, which has been awesome, you

484
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Speaker 3: know all season they give up you know, pretty much

485
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Speaker 3: literally nothing to anybody. I think they're allowing four point

486
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 3: six points per game, and you know, just they just

487
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Speaker 3: try to take the runaway and then you know, make

488
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Speaker 3: you one dimensional. And I think that'll that'll be interesting

489
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Speaker 3: here because Merrilville does kind of want to throw it

490
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Speaker 3: and spread it around but also run. So you know,

491
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Speaker 3: a lot of interesting uh you know matchups in that one,

492
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Speaker 3: I would say. And then you know, Newpald's been good

493
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Speaker 3: on offense. They haven't, you know, they haven't blown some

494
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Speaker 3: of the teams they play in the tournament, you know,

495
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Speaker 3: like East Central and Cathedral. They haven't blown them away

496
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Speaker 3: by any means. But they've done what they've had to do.

497
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Speaker 3: And you know, again they are, you know, very diverse

498
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Speaker 3: on offense. They can throw in pass or they can

499
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Speaker 3: throw in run, including their quarterback Jacob Davis, who can

500
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Speaker 3: do both as well. So that'll be you know, I

501
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Speaker 3: think that'll be a fun game to Friday night, just

502
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Speaker 3: to kind of see the two teams on the field

503
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Speaker 3: and how they stack up. There's definitely some you know,

504
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Speaker 3: mystery I think of how that game will look.

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Speaker 1: Okay in Class four A Ron Colly locally speaking, going

506
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Speaker 1: up against fort wayn Dwinger and these two, if I'm

507
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Speaker 1: not mistaken, started the year against each other in a

508
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Speaker 1: big shootout, three nothing game. Which of these two teams

509
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Speaker 1: has matured or grown the most? Sense then or do

510
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Speaker 1: we expect a similar type of defensive slug.

511
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think it will be, you know, to

512
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Speaker 3: that extent. I think you probably lean to more towards

513
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Speaker 3: a defensive type of game. Just looking at you know,

514
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Speaker 3: looking at Dwinger's team, that's just kind of how they

515
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Speaker 3: are as a as an overall team this year. I mean,

516
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Speaker 3: they just don't give you a whole lot, you know,

517
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Speaker 3: And really the only tournament game they've given up very

518
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Speaker 3: much is Lebanon, which scored twenty seven, but you know

519
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: that they gave up way too many that get doing

520
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: your head thirty nine points and you know, had a

521
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Speaker 3: big game offensively. But I think Ron Colly, you know,

522
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Speaker 3: the way they have improved this year throughout the season,

523
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Speaker 3: and again, their schedule is pretty front loaded where you

524
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Speaker 3: have to play guitar and some of the good teams

525
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Speaker 3: up front of Franklin Central and you know, some bigger schools.

526
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Speaker 3: But you know, they've really turned it on that win

527
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Speaker 3: over Gutard in the Sectional championship twenty six to six,

528
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Speaker 3: I think turned a lot of heads and you know

529
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Speaker 3: they've kind of kept it going from there, really took

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Speaker 3: it to Heritage Hills last week. So yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: they're you know, Luke Rodard, Alex Jarvis two guys for

532
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Speaker 3: them who have really come on second half of the

533
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Speaker 3: season as receivers, and you know, Jarvis runs the ball

534
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Speaker 3: as well quite a bit for them. And then Colin

535
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Speaker 3: ash has had a great year at quarterbacks. So you know,

536
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Speaker 3: it's a typical round college team that defense, special teams.

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Speaker 3: You know, the things that Ron Colly's known for running

538
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 3: the ball, you know, are all good, but they've improved

539
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Speaker 3: in the passing game to where they can make it

540
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Speaker 3: tough on you there too. So yeah, I think Rond Collie,

541
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Speaker 3: you know, I picked them to win. I think they're

542
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Speaker 3: going to win the But I think it'll be a good,

543
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Speaker 3: a good battle in four A and.

544
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Speaker 1: Then in six A obviously, as you had mentioned, idiots,

545
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: two teams very familiar with one another in Westfield and Brownsburg.

546
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: Probably some fireworks offensively in that game as well. We

547
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Speaker 1: will be reading all of the coverage at the Indianapolis

548
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Speaker 1: Star Kyle, when it comes to the pumpkin pie, enjoy it,

549
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: Enjoy the family and the relaxation before everything gets underway

550
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: on Friday and Saturday Lucas Oil Stadium, and certainly appreciate

551
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: your time each and every week in joining us. And

552
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: it was only the one time I believe that you

553
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Speaker 1: were lost and clueless.

554
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: Right, exactly, Yeah, It's it's been all good since then.

555
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Speaker 1: That's right, Kyle, appreciated and Happy Thanksgiving to you all right?

556
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Speaker 1: You too, Hi, Kyle Nett and Rip joining us on

557
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Speaker 1: the program. How often do the Packers play on Thanksgiving Day?

558
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Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel like the Packers are a typical Thanksgiving

559
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Speaker 1: Day team? It is the Cowboys, the Lions, and then

560
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: that other game is typically up and up in the air,

561
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Speaker 1: Like remember Colton Steelers have played on Thanksgiving before. Yeah,

562
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Speaker 1: it's like the Packers and Bears like play a lot

563
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Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving?

564
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Speaker 2: Right?

565
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Speaker 1: Am I wrong in that? Just because it's the NFC

566
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: North right, so like you naturally get it. I'm just picturing,

567
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Speaker 1: like Joela ericson growing up, that Thanksgiving would mean like

568
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say mean more, but like tradition, I

569
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Speaker 1: don't know I just think of Green Bay as a

570
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: maybe you know what it might be. It might be

571
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Speaker 1: just I think everybody in Wisconsin just eats and drinks

572
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: all the time, and that's what you do at Thanksgiving, right,

573
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what it is. He can clarify, he joins

574
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Speaker 1: us now, and I'm sure thrilled to be doing so.

575
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Speaker 1: Based on that introduction on the Java House Peel and

576
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Speaker 1: Port guest line from the Indianapolis Star, Joela Ericson joins us, Joel,

577
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving mean more in Wisconsin? Is that right?

578
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Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, and you're actually correct. I looked it up

579
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Speaker 4: while you were while you were getting doing the intro there.

580
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Speaker 4: The Packers have played the third most games on Thanksgiving.

581
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Speaker 4: I think it used to not only not only be

582
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Speaker 4: like Lions games. I think it was Lions Packers for

583
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Speaker 4: a long time.

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Speaker 1: By the way, have you watched that? Speaking of Wisconsin

585
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Speaker 1: great Wisconsin traditions, have you watched that Netflix documentary on

586
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Speaker 1: ed Geen?

587
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Speaker 2: I have not.

588
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with it?

589
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 4: I am familiar with who ed Geen was, but the

590
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 4: murder shows are more that's my wife's purview more than mine.

591
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Speaker 1: Well, you better keep things in line. It appears right,

592
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you know, just for what it's worth,

593
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Speaker 1: that ed Geen is he was a troubled individual. And

594
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Speaker 1: I went to Plainfield, Wisconsin once to see, you know,

595
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Speaker 1: kind of where things took place. And I will say

596
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: they were hipped to my tourism, if you will, and

597
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: didn't take necessarily kindly to it. I can't say that

598
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: I blame them, but I've told that story before. No

599
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Speaker 1: need to revisit it. All right, let's get to this

600
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Speaker 1: Colts Texan's coming up Sunday health standpoint. Daniel Jones, I'll

601
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Speaker 1: begin there. He seemed to me to be almost like

602
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: when it came to talking about his leg, like he

603
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: didn't know exactly what the deal was, but just knew

604
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Speaker 1: that he continues to get treatment on it. What's the

605
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Speaker 1: latest that we can discuss or are we overthinking it?

606
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to tell. They're first of all, I mean,

607
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Speaker 4: I think Colts fans know by now. Shane Steiken's kind

608
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: of his pattern is kind of he'll tell you what

609
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: the injury is only if the player.

610
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Speaker 1: Is not going to come back.

611
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Speaker 2: That's this season, you know, That's that's kind of his mo.

612
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Speaker 4: On how he talks about him. Jones has been typically

613
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Speaker 4: guarded about it. He's he's kind of dropped some breadcrumbs.

614
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Speaker 4: But then you kind of go, am I reading too

615
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Speaker 4: much into him saying, you know, it's good enough to go,

616
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Speaker 4: which is why he said, you know the other day,

617
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Speaker 4: and we're managing it that kind of thing. But all

618
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Speaker 4: of that is kind of the thing is like I

619
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Speaker 4: kind of feel the same way you do, like maybe

620
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Speaker 4: we're reading too much into it because all that stuff

621
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Speaker 4: is kind of the stuff that that most NFL players

622
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Speaker 4: say when they talk about their injuries. I don't know

623
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Speaker 4: how you felt. I thought that he looked a little

624
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: bit less aggressive on the scramble last week. Agreed, then

625
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Speaker 4: he has previously, you know, and so I think it's

626
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Speaker 4: bothering him a little bit, you know, Like they were like,

627
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Speaker 4: well he had the first down, so he just ran.

628
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Speaker 2: Out of bounds.

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Speaker 4: But like the Daniel Jones that I'm used to, scrambling

630
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Speaker 4: is like borderline a little bit like almost reckless with

631
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Speaker 4: trying to get more yards.

632
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Speaker 2: He definitely was not that on Sunday.

633
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Speaker 1: Do you think that if the situation presents itself again

634
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Speaker 1: where the Colts are in a tough game or a

635
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Speaker 1: tight game late on Sunday, Joel, did Shane Styken learn

636
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Speaker 1: his lessons? So to speak? And by that, I mean,

637
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Speaker 1: do you see any way, shape or form that they

638
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Speaker 1: stick with the same game plan or do they say

639
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Speaker 1: to themselves we got to go Jonathan Taylor and Jonathan

640
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Speaker 1: Taylor a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the biggest thing and say, didn't you

642
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Speaker 4: know when we talked to Sane on Monday about it

643
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Speaker 4: and asked, you know, do you have any regrets, he

644
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Speaker 4: said that final drive he definitely probably should have run

645
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Speaker 4: in a few more times. Just what the clock situation

646
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: where it was. I think part of it and maybe

647
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: maybe this is something that they're that he hasn't said yet,

648
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 4: but I think part of it is just they outside

649
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 4: that twenty seven yard run, they didn't really do anything

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00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 4: on the ground, and you know they didn't. They also

651
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: didn't look like it also didn't really look like there

652
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Speaker 4: was anything besides that run coming even in that second half.

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Speaker 4: If you take that carry out, which you know that's

654
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 4: how the game works, but if you take that carry out,

655
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Speaker 4: he had eight carries for nine yards, So I think

656
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Speaker 4: that that played a role in them going past heavy.

657
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: Now the pass wasn't really working in the second half either,

658
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Speaker 4: but I think I think that played a role. I

659
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 4: do think though, you know, you get in that situation again.

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Speaker 4: The other thing I think he's got to realize is

661
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Speaker 4: he's gonna have to force some runs on first down

662
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Speaker 4: because those three fourth quarter drives, you know, they throw,

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Speaker 4: they get an incomplete or a short gain or whatever,

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Speaker 4: and then you're probably not going to run in second

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Speaker 4: and long.

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Speaker 3: Stiken just doesn't do that.

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Speaker 4: Most teams don't do that, and I think I think

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Speaker 4: the number is something like eighty five percent pass in

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Speaker 4: a second and long situation. So if you're going, if

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Speaker 4: you want to keep it on the ground, you're going

671
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Speaker 4: to have to run on first down.

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Speaker 1: Somebody just asked me this question, Joel, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's a really good question, and I'm curious if it's

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Speaker 1: been discussed at all, either with Shane Stikeen or Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the fact that it seemed like Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: was a little more apprehensive, like on his runs getting

677
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: out of bounce, that kind of thing with the leg.

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Speaker 1: Could that leg also have impacted his accuracy? I wondered if.

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Speaker 4: Some of the like you know, him throwing off of

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00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 4: his back foot and kind of looking a little bit

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00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: rushed on some of those. Butitzes I wondered a little

682
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Speaker 4: bit on Sunday if that could have affected him. Now

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Speaker 4: they he hasn't said anything that fact. Dykeen hasn't said

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00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 4: anything to that fact, But it just it felt different

685
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: from what we've seen from him most of the season

686
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Speaker 4: in terms of like especially early in the season, but

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Speaker 4: even even with the Falcons and Steelers games, it wasn't

688
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Speaker 4: like he was, you know, throwing stuff off of his

689
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 4: back foot. If anything, he was maybe holding it a

690
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 4: little too long when pressure was there. So I wondered

691
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Speaker 4: if that played a role in it, or alternately, if

692
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Speaker 4: some of those throws were because he looked at the

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Speaker 4: Steelers and Falcons games and said, I can't take sex,

694
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: and I can't get I can't fumble the ball, so

695
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 4: when I get pressure, I'm going to get it out

696
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 4: as quickly as I can, and in doing so maybe

697
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 4: sped himself up a little faster than he needed to.

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Speaker 1: Joel, I'm a little bit. Joel A. Erickson is our

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Speaker 1: guest Indie Stories on the Java House Peel and Poor

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Speaker 1: Pods Joel. When it comes to Anthony Richardson, and I know,

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Speaker 1: I get it, I get that it's a topic that

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Speaker 1: probably people are like, Look, Daniel Jones is the guy.

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Speaker 1: But if Daniel Jones is in a situation where he

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00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: is late in the year, there's a critical game, he's

709
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: not able to go, or there's a half where he

710
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: has to come out, and Anthony Richardson theoretically a guy

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00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: that you would plug in there. But I have this

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00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: bad feeling that this injury to Anthony Richardson might have

713
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Speaker 1: been more severe than we initially thought. Am I off base?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: I mean I yeah, I think most people here, even

716
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: with something as scary as you know, orbital fracture, I

717
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 4: think a lot of people kind of felt like he'd

718
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Speaker 4: be back, you know, in the first couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: But you know, what we've heard from saying Psyched is

720
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Speaker 4: that that I needs to rest, it needs to get better.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we're we're we're a long way removed from

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Speaker 4: that injury now. So yeah, I would say just a

723
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 4: timetable in general tells you that that injury was was

724
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Speaker 4: really serious. You know, he had surgery on it. I

725
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 4: don't know a ton about those things, but thing on

726
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 4: the severity injury, it can be pretty bad. I actually

727
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: had a guy that I played a lot of sports

728
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: with in college had a broken orbital bone and a

729
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 4: really bad pickup basketball thing, and I know they had

730
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Speaker 4: to like reconstruct his his eye socket in his cheekbone.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I don't know if that's what happened

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00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 4: with Richardson, but some of that stuff can get really involved.

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Speaker 1: Has he been seen around? I mean, is he is

734
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Speaker 1: he around?

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Speaker 4: We saw him in the locker room last week. He's

736
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 4: got a scar on that side. He's got a scar

737
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 4: on that eye. It does look, you know, is swelling,

738
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Speaker 4: and everything seems to be mostly down. But yeah, that

739
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Speaker 4: was really the first time we seen him though, was

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Speaker 4: what he was in the locker room last week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, in terms of the locker room, Joel, and you're

742
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: around it. This team, I mean, it was everything was

743
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: hunky dory for so long, smooth sale and everything's great,

744
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: and now lost two of three. I realize you have

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00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: the by thrown in there, right, but do you sense,

746
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: do you feel, do you see do you hear any

747
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: sort of an apprehension going into games or a tension

748
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: or just a pucker that did not exist a month ago.

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Speaker 2: No, In fact, in.

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Speaker 4: Fact, the thing I thought walking out today, we've already

751
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: done locker room today and they have moved on. But

752
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 4: like the thing I thought today was just the way

753
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 4: the Colts were talking about the stuff they have to do,

754
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 4: versus the way you know, colts online or whoever, however

755
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: you want to say it is responding to it is

756
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 4: that they do not feel the same tension that I

757
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 4: think is maybe present in the parts of the fan

758
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 4: base that are easiest for people like me to see.

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00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 4: Like I just felt like, you know, they're looking that,

760
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 4: you know they're talking about, you know, we have to

761
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Speaker 4: be better against the Blitz, we have to have more answers,

762
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. But it doesn't it doesn't feel

763
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 4: like a team that feels like it's lost its grip

764
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 4: on the rope. It feels like a team that feels

765
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 4: more like, you know, yes, there's some stuff we've got

766
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 4: to fix, but it's not it's not anywhere near time

767
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 4: to panic yet.

768
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Speaker 1: Okay, Joel most important question of the day. Turkey is

769
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: the primary, obviously most important part of the Thanksgiving dinner.

770
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: In the Ericson household, the second most important thing not

771
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: named pumpkin pie.

772
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: Is what cornbread stuffing.

773
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: It's pretty hard to argue that there was no hesitation

774
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: there at all, Like none, no, no.

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00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 4: Cornbread stuffing is the second most second most important.

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00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: Now, go ahead, that's the one. Okay, Now, difference between

777
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: stuffing and dressing. Dressing goes on the side and stuffing's

778
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 1: in the bird.

779
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: Is that right?

780
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? And then the other thing is so I don't know,

781
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 4: like so i'm I'm my wife is from Alabama. I

782
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: don't know if this is true of all dressings, but

783
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: like when they make dressing, it is like a very

784
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: thin texture where it's like almost like like the thing

785
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: I always say that makes her upset is that I

786
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: say that it's like eating cream of wheat.

787
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Huh.

788
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: But that's that's kind of getting you.

789
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: It's not that bad, but it's kind of getting you.

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00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: The idea of what like they're dressing is versus like

791
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: what I think of as as as cornbread stuffing or dressing,

792
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: where it's you know, a little bit thicker and there's

793
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 4: bigger chunks of corn bread and.

794
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.

795
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: That's that's another piece of it that I don't know.

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00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's just my experience with you know,

797
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 4: ANDALUSA Thanksgivings, Andalujah, Alabama Thanksgivings, or if that's the whole

798
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 4: South that they're they're dressing, is is a little bit

799
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Speaker 4: more thinned out.

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Speaker 1: Well, I got news for you, Joel. Based on the

801
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: serial killer obsession of the wife, probably thin is in

802
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: when it comes to your dressing from here on out, buddy, right,

803
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean so in the Ericson Household.

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00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 4: In the Ericson Household, I'm in charge of the stuffing.

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00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: She is in charge of. There's two things she has

806
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 4: brought from Alabama that our friends after she makes these

807
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: green bean bundles that that's that's like maybe the least

808
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 4: accurate name ever because they're wrapped in bacon and they

809
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 4: have brown sugar all over them. And then the other

810
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 4: one is she has a a sweet potato casserole recipe

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Speaker 4: that is absolutely fantastic. So that's those are the two

812
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: things that we brought north with us to make a

813
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 4: part of the Ericson Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: I actually was kind of hoping you were going to say,

815
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: Crystal Burger's is what she brought. But that's okay, that's cool, right,

816
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm down with it. That's cool, all right. Joel certainly

817
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: appreciate the time as always. We wish you and your

818
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: family a very very happy Thanksgiving and pace yourself. Oh

819
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: you know what, actually go hard if you need to,

820
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: because beer Fairy is making a visit to Wisconsin coming

821
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: up in a couple of weeks.

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00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 4: That's true.

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00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, orders might be taking orders, so you

824
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: know you don't have to ration, you.

825
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: Know, that's that's good.

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Speaker 4: I have the Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald Porter in the

827
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: in the fridge right now. I don't know.

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00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: Listen, you don't want to tell anybody. You don't tell anybody.

829
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: Don't tell anybody that goes down easy, right, I mean

830
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: they take that. That does not go over well for

831
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Speaker 1: what it's worth, you know, all right, a little bit

832
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: icy also, Joel, appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 2: You bet, you bet, you and you have a happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: Thanks you too. It's been fifty years about me. Oh,

835
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Speaker 1: it was very nice of him, it was well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're the guy, the first guy he talks to each

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Speaker 1: time he comes on right. Yes, he's lucky enough to

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Speaker 1: have that