1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: The only way to bag a classy lady is to 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: give her two tickets to the gun show. 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: Monday Gun Day with the gun Guy. 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 3: Just watch up with the guns. 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: They'll get you guy. 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 3: Stop calling your arms gun show find of his adel. 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Jason Hammer is here with a very special guest on 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: the hotline to. 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 4: A attorney, firearms instructor, and a damn fine American. He's 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 4: the host of the Gun Guy Show here weekends on 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 4: ninety three WIBC Guy Rilford, Guy, how the heck are you? 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: I am great, guys, and thanks as always to our 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: sponsor for Monday Gun Day. That's Premiere Arms in Brownsburg, 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: the largest selection of new used in historic firearms in 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 2: the Midwest and PA jewelers located in the farmhouse right 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: out front. Check them out at thirty seven and fifty 17 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: four South Green Street in Brownsburg or Premier Arms dot com. 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 4: Before we get into anything gun related here. Full disclosure. 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 4: I recently reached out out to the law offices of 20 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 4: Relford Law to deal with some scammers that I had 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 4: down in Florida, and all it took was one surly 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 4: written letter from one Guy Ralford to make that problem 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 4: go away. 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 3: Pretty damn quick, so guy, thank you so much. 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: Oh hey, my pleasure. Yeah, I majored in stern letters 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: in law school, so I was. I was all about it. Now, 27 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: happy to help them. Glad the right thing happened there. 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 4: Let's get into it here at a national level, what 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 4: are the chances for constitutional carry? Because Utah Senator Mike 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 4: Lee one of the most based conservative senators in all 31 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 4: of America, he's looking for a national constitutional carry bill 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 4: that would make the right to carry it legal in 33 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: all states, basically saying, if you have a lunatic governor, 34 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: you can still protect yourself. 35 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: What are the chances this actually happens? 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: I think I think Mike Lee's bill is a real 37 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: stretch because we actually have another what's called Constitutional Concealed 38 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: Carry Reciprocity Act Bill pending that's already actually been voted 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: out of the Judiciary Committee in the House. It just 40 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: needs to get a vote of a floor of the 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: House and then get sent over to the Senate. But 42 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: Mike Lee's bill just recently filed, as you mentioned last week, 43 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: it takes it a step further and actually prevents states 44 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: from requiring a license or permit carry a handgun at all, 45 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: and says that basically all fifty states become constitutional carry 46 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: under the dictator of the federal government and they don't 47 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: have any option but to adopt that under this bill. 48 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: That'd be fabulous. But that's that's even I think more 49 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: of a stretch goal than just the reciprocity bill that 50 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: Zach that West step farther along because it's been passed 51 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: out a committee. 52 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: Wow, so you're telling me that if that bill does 53 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: get passed, is as little chance as you think it 54 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: does to get passed. I mean, like crazy states like 55 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: New York and California, all those oppressive gun laws would 56 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: be nullified. 57 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: Well, the requirement to have a license would be nullified. Basically, 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: if you are not prohibited by state or federal law 59 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: from possessing a gun, then you can carry a handgun 60 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: in all fifty states, even without a license or a permit. 61 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: And that again true across the coast to coast, you know, 62 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: border to border, and that would be that would be 63 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. But again at the stretch goal, no question. 64 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 3: Again, I am not a lawyer. 65 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 4: I don't even pretend to play one on the radio here, guy, 66 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 4: But when it comes to arguments like this, okay, on 67 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 4: one side, you got folks going, wait a minute, it's 68 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 4: right there in the Constitution. You have the right to 69 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: bear arms. It's a right. But we also are the 70 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 4: United States, where states have state rights. Here, how do 71 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 4: we even begin to sort this out? 72 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: Well, that's where the fourteenth Amendment really bridges the gap. 73 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: You know, looking at what Southern states we're trying to 74 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: do to deny voting rights to newly freed slaves after 75 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: the Civil War, and looking at the civil rights violations 76 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: that were happening. One thing that the fourteenth Amendment did. 77 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: It says that, you know, where states are not appropriately 78 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: honoring constitutional freedoms enumerated in the Bill of Rights, otherwise 79 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: protected by the Constitution, it is appropriate for the federal 80 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: government to come in and order the states to follow 81 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: the Constitution exactly like the federal government has to. And 82 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: so there is a historically accurate and I think legally 83 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 2: accurate argument to say that this would be upheld out 84 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: of the fourteenth Amendment. Even so, you know, I agree 85 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: with you guys. We're all states rights guys, and I 86 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 2: always say the tenth Amendment means what it says, which 87 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: is the federal government, unless it's been given a particular power, 88 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: and the Constitution doesn't have that power. It's reserved to 89 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 2: the states. Well, the fourteenth Amendment give us the power 90 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: to the federal government to order the states to comply 91 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: with a bill of rights, and so they could do 92 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: so here with Mike Lees bill saying that too many 93 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: states are not appropriately honoring the Second Amendment, and so 94 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: Congress has the ability to step in in order to 95 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: do exactly that. 96 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 4: Monday Gun Day with the gun guy guy Ralph for 97 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 4: joining us here on the Hammer in Nigel Show. All right, 98 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 4: one of the things we like to have you do 99 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: is take a national story and then apply it to 100 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: us living here in Indiana. 101 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: And this takes us to West Virginia. 102 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 4: You had sent me a story about this bill in 103 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: West Virginia and a lot of people have questions about it, 104 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 4: the so called Hugh's Amendment of Firearm Owners Protection Act. 105 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 3: I believe it goes back to nineteen eighty six. 106 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 4: Here reset what this is about, and then if you 107 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 4: wouldn't mind apply that to us here in Indiana. 108 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you bet. I've had a lot of questions about this. 109 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: In fact, I was going to talk about it on 110 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: my show on Saturday, but I didn't have a show. 111 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: I got preempted by IU, and so I'm glad grateful 112 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: for the opportunity to talk about it here. This was 113 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: about machine guns, okay. And the Hues Amendment that you 114 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: mentioned was an amendment to what was called the Firearm 115 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: Owners Protection Acts in nineteen eighty six, which actually was intended, 116 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: as the name suggests, to protect gun owners in various ways, 117 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 2: like it provided a safe passage provision for traveling with 118 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: your gun. That's what actually denies Congress the ability to 119 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: maintain any kind of registry of guns or gun owners. 120 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: That's in the fire Our ownervers Protection Acts in nineteen 121 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 2: eighty six. But the Hughes Amendment, as the name suggests, 122 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: their Senator Hughes at the time, came in and offered 123 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: an amendment that it actually restricts civilian's ability to possess 124 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: or obtain machine guns. And what it said basically is 125 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: that if a machine gun was registered and in civilian 126 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: hands as of May nineteenth, nineteen eighty six, that's fine, 127 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: and that can be possessed, it could be transferred. So 128 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: today to obtain a transferable machine gun, it had to 129 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: be one that was manufactured or imported and registered prior 130 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: to that date in May of nineteen eighty six. And 131 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: so I, as you might guess, those becoming fewer and 132 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: farther between, and the prices are outrageous to find a 133 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: transferable machine gun. What the West Virginia Bill, and it 134 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: looks like it's now stalled in the West Virginia Senate, 135 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: but it got introduced and it appeared to have some 136 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: momentum for a while. It focuses on an exception in 137 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: this machine gun restriction, which we refer to as the 138 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: Hues Amendment of Popa Pyromoners Detection Act. There's an exception 139 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: for ownership or transfer of machine guns where it says 140 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: this shall not apply to a transfer to or buy, 141 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: and it lists various governmental entities. It says unities, government, 142 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, and then it says to or 143 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: from a state. And so what that says is this 144 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: a state can still buy and sell machine guns. So 145 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: the West Virginia Bill, get this actually sets up the 146 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: West Virginia State government, through a new division of their 147 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: state police out there as a retailer of machine guns. 148 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: I kid you not. And so under this, if this 149 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 2: were going to pass and I'm sure it would be 150 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: challenged legally that you know, that wasn't the intent of 151 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 2: the Hues Amendment, et cetera. But if it were to pass, 152 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: you could you could theoretically go in and apply to 153 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: buy a machine gun from the West Virginia State Police. 154 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: That would be legal, and you know, including a brand 155 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 2: new one. And after this and got introduced, you know 156 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 2: it's backed by the owners of America. Sure, some other 157 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: gun rights groups were supporting it, and I got a 158 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: ton of comment and messages on social media and otherwise 159 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: email saying, hey, we need to do this. Man, the 160 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: Indiana State Police needs to be needs to be a 161 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: retailer of machine guns. So I can chuckle about it, 162 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: because I don't think there's a single chance in hell 163 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to see that in my lifetime. But it's 164 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 2: an interesting legal argument to say, hey, if a state 165 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: can or if they are exempt from this, you know, 166 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: restriction on firearms, and a state theoretically could set itself 167 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: up to buy and sell machine guns to the public. 168 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not going to happen, but I would I'd 169 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: love to see the reaction. Right next time we have 170 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 4: the IMPD chief on. We're just going to blindsider. Hey, 171 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 4: I heard you guys are in the business of a 172 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 4: selling machine guns out of the trucks of your cruisers. 173 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: Now is that true exactly? You know, The hammerd Tigel 174 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: Show wants to have its own logo on Yeah, I 175 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: love it, bulffedmachine gun. Yeah, that's right, So it's it's 176 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: kind of fun to think about. But yeah, that's definitely 177 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: a pipe dream. 178 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 4: Guy, unless Indiana makes a deep run in the Big 179 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 4: Ten Tournament or March Madness. If they get there, I 180 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 4: don't think your shows are going to be preempted anymore. 181 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 4: Tell us about the show and tell us where we 182 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: can find you. 183 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on Saturdays five to seven pm, The Gun 184 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: Guy Show, and it's a call in show. 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