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Speaker 2: Bad Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good evening, I'll looking to the Gunky show here

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Speaker 3: on ninety three WIBC. Were thrilled you're with us. I

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Speaker 3: hope you had absolutely fantastic Thanksgiving weekends so far. And hey, listen,

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Speaker 3: what was yesterday? I guess Black Friday quote unquote, where

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Speaker 3: a lot of deals are out there, whether in retail

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of deals for online shopping. I

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Speaker 3: don't know. Shopping's pretty much moved online to a dramatic

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Speaker 3: degree for a lot of us. Certainly it has for

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Speaker 3: me and my family. If you make any gun related

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Speaker 3: to a related purchases, Yesterday a big shopping day. Man.

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Speaker 3: My email was completely inundated with quote unquote deals. Some

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Speaker 3: certainly look better than others. But I did a little shopping,

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Speaker 3: you know, nothing too crazy. I got a couple of

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Speaker 3: nice to be able to move different suppressors around to

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Speaker 3: different rifles, assuming the calibers are all compatible, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. But that's about all I did in terms

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Speaker 3: of Black Friday shopping. But if you did any you

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Speaker 3: had any cool purchases, went out and got a cool gun,

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Speaker 3: suppress or accessory, whatever it might be, give us a call,

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Speaker 3: brag a little bit. Hey, it's one thing to buy

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Speaker 3: something cool and fun that you're gonna use can very

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Speaker 3: likely make your family safer, also provide a lot of

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Speaker 3: So give us a call and share those stories. But

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Speaker 3: around the holidays, when we're talking about shopping, we're talking

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Speaker 3: about making firearms related purchases. A number of questions always

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Speaker 3: travel with firearms, and about this time every year, we're

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Speaker 3: past the ten year anniversary now of the Gun Guy Show,

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Speaker 3: and so for a good ten years about this time

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Speaker 3: confused about the legalities involved. If people are inclined to

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Speaker 3: a lot of misinformation out there, a lot of misunderstandings

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Speaker 3: you could be in trouble for how you fill out

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Speaker 3: And people want to be honest, People want to comply

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Speaker 3: into that and any other related questions you might have.

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Speaker 3: Give us a call three one seven two three nine

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Speaker 3: the listening audience. But first of all, can you legally

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Speaker 3: absolutely not, that's a straw purchase quote unquote, you'll go

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Speaker 3: actually not the case. And by the way, if you

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Speaker 3: And this relates to a so called straw purchase. What's

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Speaker 3: a straw purchase. A straw purchase is where someone has

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Speaker 3: And gun stores are getting very very good at spotting this.

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Speaker 3: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Store on

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Speaker 3: Guy Relford. You know, one of the things we really

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, guy, We're going to be going to Florida

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Speaker 3: it's got a GPS function where if you allow it

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Speaker 3: to identify your location, it'll tell you the laws where

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Speaker 3: you are. It'll tell you what states grant reciprocity to

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Speaker 3: your license, wherever you have your license from, and you

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Speaker 3: can set up your profile with your name and where

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Speaker 3: you have a license. I put in there, Yeah, I've

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Speaker 3: got Indiana. Yes, I've got a Utah non resident license

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Speaker 3: from many years ago, and I put that in there

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Speaker 3: and then boom, it'll tell me what I need to know.

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Speaker 3: But it also gives me those state line summaries and

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Speaker 3: it answers those critical questions like duty to disclose during

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Speaker 3: a traffic stop. So, Larry, that's a much longer answer

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Speaker 3: than you were probably anticipating. But I'm going to talk

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Speaker 3: more about traveling with a firearm litter in the show.

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Speaker 3: But that's one thing I wanted to go into, which

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Speaker 3: is you need to know which states recognize your license

447
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Speaker 3: for your hand done. And again no question in my mind, Florida, Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: Georgia and Florida all recognize the Indiana license, so that's

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Speaker 3: not an issue. But again that's the tip of the iceberg,

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Speaker 3: and you need to make sure all those other boxes

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Speaker 3: are checked in terms of you understanding the law. That

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Speaker 3: can still get you in trouble even though your license

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Speaker 3: is recognized in a particular state. Let's go back to

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Speaker 3: the phone lines, and Kirsten has called in. Kirsten, welcome,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Gun Guy Show. Thanks for calling.

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, thanks for having me. So my question is

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Speaker 5: that you know people are getting arrested over in Europe

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Speaker 5: for things like praying and Facebook posts and stuff like that. Well,

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Speaker 5: I have a little bit of a loud mouse on

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Speaker 5: social media. And what do I do when they come

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Speaker 5: to my door? Because I'm not going to go quietly.

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Speaker 5: If my second am, I any my constitutional rights are

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Speaker 5: being violated, I'm not going to go quietly.

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Speaker 3: Well, and Kirs and I understand the sentiment that you're expressing.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you there are some battles that you

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Speaker 3: win in the courtroom later on that you're not going

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Speaker 3: to win on your doorstep or on the side of

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Speaker 3: the road or that type thing. If authorities come to

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Speaker 3: my door, and it's just this is a situation where

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Speaker 3: someone's got a warrant. Police officers. They show me a

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Speaker 3: warrant where a judge has signed off requiring me to

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Speaker 3: allow those officers to search my home or seize property

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Speaker 3: in that moment, without knowing more, I certainly know enough

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Speaker 3: to look over a warrant and decide whether it's a

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Speaker 3: lawful warrant or not. I'm not going to physically resist,

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Speaker 3: and certainly not resist with deadly force the officers serving

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Speaker 3: that warrant. Again, these are officers doing their job. At

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Speaker 3: the same time, I always want to talk about, you know,

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Speaker 3: the real meaning and history of the Second Amendment, which

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Speaker 3: is to give the private citizens the ability to avoid tyranny,

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Speaker 3: to resist tyranny, to stand up to a tyrannical government.

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Speaker 3: But it's a pretty good leap between a couple of

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Speaker 3: local police officers showing up on my doorstep of a

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Speaker 3: warrant to a time where I think the Constitution is

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Speaker 3: being ignored on a wholesale basis, that we have, in fact,

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Speaker 3: a tyrannical government trying to impose its will on the

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Speaker 3: private citizenry, and it's time for the private citizenry to

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Speaker 3: stand up and resist in a violent way. I hope

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Speaker 3: and pray and believe that the latter that is standing

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Speaker 3: up to a tyrannical government with force and including deadly force.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely believe and hope and pray that will never

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Speaker 3: occur in my lifetime. That's partly because I'm getting pretty

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Speaker 3: damn old. And that's a that's a huge leap. That's

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Speaker 3: a huge transition from just an officer or two or

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Speaker 3: or half a dozen who knows showing up with a

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Speaker 3: warrant saying, well, we've received a report that indicates to

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Speaker 3: us you or for instance, a dangerous person under the

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Speaker 3: red Flag law, and so we're coming into search for firearms.

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Speaker 3: Am I going to resist that with violence? No, of

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Speaker 3: course not, especially if it's a valid warrant. Now, this

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Speaker 3: is where it gets really ticklish, and it gets really

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Speaker 3: scary in my perspective, because knowing how a lot of

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Speaker 3: US approach law enforcement, and a lot of us have

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Speaker 3: a lot of respect for law enforcement. Although of course

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Speaker 3: there are certainly examples of bad eggs out there among

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Speaker 3: our folks in blue or brown or at the federal level,

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Speaker 3: a lot of examples, But for the most part, I

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Speaker 3: absolute respect, and the less thing I want to do

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Speaker 3: is hurt members of our law enforcement community. So if

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Speaker 3: somebody got a bad report on me, I mean I'm malicious.

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Speaker 3: You know. Well, Hell, I've had bomb threats thrown into

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Speaker 3: my phoned into my office before, two of them in

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Speaker 3: the last three years, and I had Carmel PD show

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Speaker 3: up at my door of my office. Now, they were

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Speaker 3: absolute one percent professionals. Even after a call went in

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Speaker 3: apparently to a nine to one one operator that said

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Speaker 3: I'm in Guy Ralford's office, sitting in Guy Relford's desk

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to blow this building up. And apparently

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Speaker 3: they were hoping that law enforcement would show up see

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Speaker 3: me sitting at my desk, think I was a bad guy,

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Speaker 3: and then bad things would happen. But between me knowing

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Speaker 3: a lot of the Carmel PDE officers and them being

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Speaker 3: consummate professionals, nothing like that even came close to happening.

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Speaker 3: They came in and say, hey, guy, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: But was my first thought, Well, man, I got four

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Speaker 3: officers walking up to the door in my office, it's

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Speaker 3: a time for me to start resisting tyranny. Of course,

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Speaker 3: not exactly the opposite. I said, hey guys, and I

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Speaker 3: welcomed into them into my office. So so listen. It's

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Speaker 3: a difficult question to answer, Kristen and I and I

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Speaker 3: fully recognized the historical motivation of our founders for writing

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Speaker 3: the Second Amendment the way they did, including the absolute

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Speaker 3: essential result and and and and and goal and the

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Speaker 3: intent of the Second Amendment, which is the ability to

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Speaker 3: stand up to a radical government. No, I'm certainly not

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Speaker 3: going to resist an officer who shows up to my

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Speaker 3: doorstep with a lawful warrant. I'm not gonna do that

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Speaker 3: for a variety of reasons, some of which I've touched on.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. We're blown past the three quarter hour.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a break, come back, wrap up the first

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Speaker 3: hour here of The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 2: Your Rights, your responsibilities, your guns. This is The Gun

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Speaker 2: Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC, and welcome back.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of a short segment here, but we'll

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Speaker 3: start into something I wanted to do address, which is, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you've made the decision. You knew you already, or perhaps

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Speaker 3: you heard here on The Gun Guy Show that you

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Speaker 3: can legally buy a gun as a gift for someone else,

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Speaker 3: again using your own resources. The person is not a

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Speaker 3: prettle bit of possessor, and you can legally buy a

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Speaker 3: gift for them, a gift in the form of a firearm.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, let's back up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It's never a bad idea to give someone a gift card.

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Speaker 3: And listen to most of the gun stores I know,

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Speaker 3: my friends at Indie Arms, my friends at Pinnacle Firearms,

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Speaker 3: and any number folks where I shop and where I

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Speaker 3: do business, where I train offer gift cards. Never a

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Speaker 3: bad idea, you know, buy I'M a gift card, lets

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Speaker 3: the person go in and select their own gun. And

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Speaker 3: this is where people make just some really horrific mistakes,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of times as a trainer, I've had

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Speaker 3: to share the consequences for those mistakes because somebody shows

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Speaker 3: up to my class with absolutely the wrong gun, which

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Speaker 3: makes it very, very difficult to try to get that

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Speaker 3: person comfortable with their gun and proficient with their gun,

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Speaker 3: and sometimes even safe with their gun. What am I

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Speaker 3: talking about? Please point number one, For the love of God,

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Speaker 3: can we please kill the myth that if you're buying

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Speaker 3: a gun for a lady, for a female, that she

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Speaker 3: needs to have a short barreled revolver because that's what

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Speaker 3: women need to carry. And I hear these ridiculous reasons like, well,

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Speaker 3: they don't have hand strength to manipulate the slide on

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Speaker 3: a semi automatic ball ball and ball if they know

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Speaker 3: how to do it, and if it's the right gun

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Speaker 3: for them, and someone's taken five seconds to show them

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Speaker 3: the proper technique for manipulating the slide on a semi automatic,

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Speaker 3: of course they can manipulate the slide. They can operate

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Speaker 3: the slide on a semi automatic, well'll never jam. They

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Speaker 3: don't have to clear a jam. Well, while it's true

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Speaker 3: that there is rarely such a thing as a quote

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Speaker 3: unquote jam with a revolver, there's no reason a woman

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Speaker 3: can't be just as proficient as a clearing a malfunction

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Speaker 3: out of a handgun as any man on the planet.

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Speaker 3: And there seems to be this implication that and I

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Speaker 3: laugh at this when I'll hear guys say, well, a revolver,

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Speaker 3: it's simpler to operate. Hold on, And I'm not doing

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Speaker 3: this to suck up for you know, the ladies in

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Speaker 3: the audience here, But on average, women test out about

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Speaker 3: eight points higher on IQ test than men do. If

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Speaker 3: anybody needs a simpler firearm to operate, it's probably us.

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Speaker 3: You can't you can't tell me simpler to operate, So

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Speaker 3: that's more appropriate for a female. Come on, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: talk more about this after the top of the hour,

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Speaker 3: but let's talk about how to select the right gun

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Speaker 3: and avoid some of these myths that that are so

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Speaker 3: pervasive out there. Right now, we're approaching the top of

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Speaker 3: the hour, so we're taking a break. This is Guy

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Speaker 3: Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 2: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 2: a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 2: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 2: in bear arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 2: Second Amendment, and this is the gun Guy boom boom boom.

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Speaker 1: Bom bang bang bang bang boom boom, boom bom.

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Speaker 2: Bang bang Guy ralph on ninety three w YBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back for hour number two with the Gun

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Speaker 3: Guys shows here one WYBC. But thrill, thrilled, you're with us,

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Speaker 3: and uh I want to continue to take your calls

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Speaker 3: with questions or comments throughout the second hour of the show.

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Speaker 3: Three one seven two three ninety three ninety three. As

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Speaker 3: three one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three.

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Speaker 3: I was talking before the break about some really bad

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Speaker 3: decisions I've seen people make on buying a gun for

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Speaker 3: someone else, uh as as a gift, and I talked

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Speaker 3: about the legality of that, which I won't repeat. But

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Speaker 3: legal is one thing, and just making a really bad

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Speaker 3: choice is a whole separate question. And listen, let's talk

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Speaker 3: about gun selection here and and and how anyone ought

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Speaker 3: to go through the process of selecting the right gun

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Speaker 3: for them or the right gun to buy as a

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Speaker 3: legal gift for someone else. One thing I hear and

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Speaker 3: see all the time is is someone who's new to

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Speaker 3: firearms or thinking about getting into firearms, and they'll put

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Speaker 3: out a question. They'll do this on social media. They'll

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Speaker 3: just do it to a friend or acquaintance, whoever it

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Speaker 3: might be, and uh, they'll say, you know, I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: about buying a gun. What kind of gun should I get?

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Speaker 3: And and there are a lot of folks out there,

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Speaker 3: and this is this is a shame, and I wish

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Speaker 3: it wasn't this this way, but a lot of people

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Speaker 3: will immediately start lecturing you, given any opportunity, about what

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Speaker 3: kind of gun you should buy. And invariably they're telling

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Speaker 3: you they should you that you should buy the kind

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Speaker 3: of gun that they have. Oh, you got to get

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Speaker 3: a clock as glocks is this, and clocks that, and

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Speaker 3: and and or no, you got to you know, and

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Speaker 3: and right off the bat, and people will to start

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Speaker 3: lecturing in response to the question what kind of gun

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Speaker 3: should I buy? And if that happens to you, you

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Speaker 3: ask that question to someone and the person doesn't first

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Speaker 3: start asking questions as opposed to lecturing you. Then you'll

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Speaker 3: know you ask the wrong person, because when people ask

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Speaker 3: me that question, I have a whole bunch of questions.

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Speaker 3: First one is, well, what do you want the gun for?

645
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Speaker 3: What's the purpose? Right? One of the what habits of

646
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: highly effective people? Right, begin with the end in mind?

647
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: What's the objective here? What do you want the gun for?

648
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna start lecturing them when I don't know

649
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 3: anything about what motivated them to ask me the question

650
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: to begin with, Well, I wanted for self defense? Okay,

651
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: self defense? Do you mean at home? Yes? Are you

652
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: going to carry it? Probably not? I haven't had the

653
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 3: training yet. Not comfortable carrying a gun outside the home.

654
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: Of course. Immediately i'd say, well, awesome, let me give

655
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: you some recommendations on where you can get the training

656
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: to be comfortable carrying the gun outside the home. But okay,

657
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: you're just saying you want a gun for home defense. Yeah,

658
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: and you have a preference rifle, handgun, shotgun? Well, gee,

659
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know much about you know,

660
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: And so immediately you start asking these these questions as

661
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: start getting more information about this person's background, what their

662
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 3: needs and objectives are. What the purpose of the gun is,

663
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: so they do want to carry the gun. Okay, have

664
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: you thought about what kind of carry method? What do

665
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: you mean carry method? We are you going to carry

666
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: it in the holster? You know, carry it off body,

667
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: which has huge disadvantages. But still I'd rather be carrying

668
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: a gun off body to not have a gun at

669
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: all in a crisis situation. So you start gathering information

670
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: from the person about again what their objectives are, and

671
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 3: then suddenly based on what they want the gun for.

672
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: I mean, what if someone says, you know, I'm thinking

673
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: about buying a gun, what kind of gun should I buy?

674
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 3: And you start immediately lecturing them on how they need

675
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: to buy a Glock nineteen because it's the world's greatest handgun.

676
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: I'm not picking on people who carry Glock nineteen. It's

677
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: a great gun. I've owned a Glock nineteen for a

678
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 3: lot of years, probably one of the most commonly carried

679
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: guns in the country, including by law enforcement with its

680
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: slightly bigger brother, the seventeen, And it's a great gun.

681
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 3: But my point is, if if somebody's meally starts telling

682
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: you about the self defense compact handgun, you really ought

683
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: to be carrying and when in fact, the only reason

684
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: they ask you about buying a gun to begin with

685
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: is because they want to get into sporting plays. You know,

686
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: getting into sporting plays, you probably don't want to take

687
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: your Block nineteen hand gun out there. And that's just

688
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: an extreme example of what I'm talking about. You'd asked

689
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 3: questions and listen, guns, there's a great analogy between guns

690
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: and cars, guns and motor vehicles in a sense that

691
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: when you're trying to decide which one is right for you,

692
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: every gun, just like every motor vehicle, as a whole

693
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: series of priorities and compromises in terms of what that

694
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: offers for you and what's important to you and what

695
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 3: makes that the right gun or the right motor vehicle

696
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: for you. For instance, you know, would I love to

697
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: own a you know, Lamborghini? Oh yeah, hell yeah. Well

698
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: the new Corvette, the C eight Corvette. I've never bet

699
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 3: a Corvette guy. Of course, now that I'm middle aged beyond,

700
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 3: I can't drive a Corvette because that's too much of

701
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: a cliche. You know, the old bald guy in the Corvette.

702
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to be that guy. But it's a

703
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: beautiful car, and were I considering that car. All the

704
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 3: great things about that car fast as hell and great style,

705
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 3: great looks, great handling, and I think I think GM

706
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: knocked it out of the park with it with a

707
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: new Corvette and now you can get it in the

708
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: Ultra High Performance pack. Hell, there's a thousand thousand horsepower

709
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: eight's out there being offered right now. Incredible. Is that

710
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: all awesome? Yes, of course it's awesome. Can you hauld

711
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 3: mulch in your ate Corvette?

712
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 5: Well?

713
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: No, how's it going to be when it snows outside?

714
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: Not great? Even for hauling the kids to soccer practice? Yeah,

715
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: I'm not going to work real Well? How about for

716
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 3: even bring in grocery trees home? Well, depending on how

717
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: many people you're buying groceries for and for how long,

718
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: that could be a hassle. So it's an awesome car

719
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: and a variety of ways, but it's got its drawbacks

720
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: depending on what you want a vehicle. For a gun

721
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: is exactly the same way even a carry gun. Let's

722
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: say I want to buy a gun and I want

723
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: to carry it. Great, every gun, just like every vehicle,

724
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 3: is a series of in terms of determining the right

725
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: one for you, it's a series of compromises and priorities

726
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: and and and there's a huge component of personal preference

727
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 3: in terms of what feels best in your hand, what

728
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: trigger feels right to you, how visible are the sights

729
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 3: to you? Does it take aftermarket modifications like a red

730
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: dot site? Do you want or need a red dot site?

731
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: What about a flashlight, a weapon mounted light? Is that

732
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: something that that that you want or feel the need for?

733
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: And what criteria, what decision making factors entered that equation?

734
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: And there's so many and and so and so to

735
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: start asking questions of someone, Yes, I want a gun

736
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: that I could use both for home defense and to

737
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: carry it. Great, if you're gonna carry it now Suddenly

738
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: barrel length, grip length, weight, and and and thickness or girth.

739
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: Suddenly those issues start factoring in. Why, Because if you're

740
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 3: gonna carry you go and carry it concealed, you're gonna

741
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: carry it on body. A big, heavy, long barreled, long

742
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: gripped gun is harder to conceal and it's less comfortable

743
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: to carry around all day depending on your carry system.

744
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: So when we start talking about concealing a handgun and

745
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 3: and and wearing it on body, now you start talking

746
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 3: about a compact type gun, but now you have to

747
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: balance compact size weight with other factors like magazine capacity

748
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: and listen. People will say, oh, well, if you need

749
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: more than two or three shots to resolve a self

750
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 3: defense situation, you need to take more training. Well, I'm sorry.

751
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: There are a lot of examples of people out there

752
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: who were incredibly proficient in a self defense scenario who

753
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: still required multiple shots to end the threat. The leading

754
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: example in my mind is my friend Eli Dickon down

755
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: the Greenwood Park Mall. Eli had an eighty percent hit

756
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: rate starting from forty three yards away. How many people

757
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: could do that and it still took him eight hits

758
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: out of ten shots to end the threat him. Guns

759
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: are notoriously bad fight stoppers, people who watch too many

760
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: movies where they think you get hit once with a

761
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 3: nine millimeter and you fall down and die and listen.

762
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 3: Can that happen? Of course, that depends on where a

763
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: person is hit, was a major major organ or the

764
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: central nervous system impacted. If not, people can get shot

765
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: a lot of times and continue to be bad guys.

766
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: So capacity is in fact important to several of us

767
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: who make this decision to carry a gun, What if

768
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: you encounter more than one bad guy? Does that happen?

769
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: Of course it does, so, capacity, conceal ability, comfort weight,

770
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: all those things start factoring in, how easily can you

771
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 3: modify it, how modular is it? Does it accept after

772
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: market sites? And everyone gets to have their own personal

773
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 3: preferences and their own priorities when it comes to all

774
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 3: those questions. So starting with what the objective of the

775
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 3: gun is, then working through the different factors that make

776
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: one gun better than another, given the scenario, given the

777
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 3: use pattern the person intends for it. Then the answer

778
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 3: of what can be the right gun or the wrong

779
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 3: gun for an individual person could be dramatically different person

780
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: to person, dramatically different, but all still right or all

781
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: still equally wrong when people screw it up, And listen

782
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: before we take a break. We're a little past the

783
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: quarter hour, but I want to go ahead and deal

784
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: with this directly. This idea that women need a revolver

785
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 3: is the silliest, goofiest, most misguided, pervasive myth that exists

786
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 3: out there. It's wrong, It's always been wrong, It'll never

787
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 3: be right. And listen, is there anything wrong with revolvers?

788
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 5: No?

789
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 3: Are they great self defense? Guns. You bet. Are they

790
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: ultra reliable? Yes, all those are the upsides of a

791
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: revolver that may make it the right choice. But here's

792
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: some really bad thinking out there. First of all, people

793
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 3: people misunderstand the effects of weight and barrel length, and

794
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 3: when weight we're talking mass combined with caliber and grip style,

795
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: they totally mischaracter I'd misunderstand the combination of those things

796
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: when it comes to the shootability, that is, how comfortable

797
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: it is and how accurate someone can be in shooting

798
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: a particular gun. And listen, Smith and Wesson and a

799
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 3: lot of similar manufacturers have made a ton of money

800
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: over the years selling thirty eight Special revolvers well short barrel,

801
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: one inch maybe two inch barrel, ultra light. They make

802
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: them featherweight, ultra light the Lady Smith you can find them.

803
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: Their titanium are all aluminum. They're incredibly light, short barrel small.

804
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 3: They make them with pink grips on them. Aha, it's

805
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 3: got to be the right gun for a lady. It's

806
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 3: got pink grips. As ridiculous as that thinking is, but

807
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: you know what happens when you take a big, healthy

808
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 3: caliber like thirty eight Special and put it in a

809
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: really really light gun with a really short barrel with

810
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: a really long, heavy trigger pull, which most of these

811
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: revolvers have. You have a gun that is absolutely incredibly

812
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: uncomfortable for anyone to shoot, particularly someone who's a new shooter,

813
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: and particularly someone with smaller hands, because people confuse small

814
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: and light in a handgun with how comfortable it's going

815
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: to be to shoot. And let me just tell you,

816
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 3: the bigger and heavier with a longer barrel a particular

817
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: gun is compared to another gun of the same caliber,

818
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 3: The bigger, heavier, longer barreled guns always going to be

819
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 3: more comfortable to shoot than the smaller, lighter, short barreled gun.

820
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: Shorter barreled gun is going to be And when you

821
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 3: put a thirty eight special, which is I'm pointing, I'm

822
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 3: pointing that out because it's so common and an incredibly

823
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: light gun might have aluminium or titanium or some combination thereof.

824
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 3: With a little one inch barrel, all that energy is

825
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: being released and very close proximity to that person's hands.

826
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 3: That makes the gun very snappy. What's snappy The barrel

827
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: comes up, as we call muzzle rise. You get a

828
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: lot of felt recoil directly back into the shooter. Combine

829
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 3: that with a really long, heavy trigger pole. That's hard

830
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 3: for a lot of people to stay on target throughout.

831
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: A long eight to ten pound trigger pole, which is

832
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 3: very common for these handguns, but especially does double action only.

833
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 3: You can't even cock the hammer to shoot single action.

834
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: That's not an enjoyable shooting experience. How easy is it

835
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 3: to learn how to shoot with one of those guns.

836
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 3: It's hard. I'm a big guy who shot a lot, millions,

837
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 3: millions of rounds in my lifetime. I don't shoot. I

838
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: don't like shooting the little suckers, little short barreled ultra

839
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 3: light revolver with minimal sights, so a lot of times

840
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 3: no rear sight, just to groove into the frame of

841
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: the gun. That's a wrong gun for somebody trying to

842
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 3: learn how to shoot. I'm not dogging Smith and Wesson.

843
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: I'm not dogging thirty eight and listen is a backup

844
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 3: gun for an experience shooter. Awesome, But anybody who thinks

845
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 3: that's the right gun to buy for someone just because

846
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: they're a female, because this ridiculous myth is so pervasive

847
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 3: out there, though, lady needs a revolver, wrong, wrong, and wrong.

848
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 3: Are there guns that are one thousand percent better? Absolutely?

849
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, And any experienced instructor who's gone through what

850
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 3: I have for forty years, which is bringing people bringing the

851
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: wrong gun to a class, can give you chapter and

852
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 3: verse on exactly why that is.

853
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 6: Right.

854
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 3: Now, I've blown past a quarter hours time. Taking a break,

855
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: we come back. I've got a bunch of people on

856
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 3: hold again, so we'll go to the phone lines when

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Speaker 3: we come back. This is Guy Ralford on the Gun

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Speaker 3: Guys Show on ninety three WIBC. Guy Ralford for the

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Speaker 3: law offices of Guy Lford. If you're interested in an

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Speaker 3: expungement or a restoration of rights, those are things we

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Speaker 3: do often for our clients at Relford Law. You can

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Speaker 3: contact us during the week, be back in the office

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Speaker 3: starting on Monday and contact us about potentially restoring your

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Speaker 3: gun rights for a lot of folks that's available now

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Speaker 3: under the laws that have changed dramatically here in the

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Speaker 3: last decade or so in Indiana. We'd love to talk

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Speaker 3: to you about that. If you're interested, you can contact

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Speaker 3: us through the website at Relfordlaw dot com.

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Speaker 2: Guy Ralford, Now you've got a gun, Guy Guy Ralford

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Speaker 2: on ninety three WYPC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on the Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WYBC, and I'll tell you what

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Speaker 3: We've had. Some more callers ascribe to the phone lines,

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Speaker 3: and Ian has called in. Ian. Welcome to the Gun

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Speaker 3: Guy Show.

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Speaker 7: Good afternoon, sir. I'm in good living Bloomington.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I'm Monroe County, Bloomington.

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Speaker 7: They just love the two way down there, and County

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Speaker 7: is not bad to Bloomington.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you.

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Speaker 7: That's the purpose of my call. You're talking. We were

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Speaker 7: talking about travel in trust, interstate travel. And I mentioned

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Speaker 7: the publication to you earlier in the year, and I'm

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Speaker 7: not wouldn't expect you to endorse it or anything else.

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Speaker 7: But it's called The Traveler's Guide. It's published once a year,

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Speaker 7: comes out of Somerset, Kentucky, I believe, and it's very

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Speaker 7: current on the state laws. Duty to inform officers where

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Speaker 7: you can carry, you know, alcohol serving establishments and all that.

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Speaker 3: All right, is this a hard copy or is it online?

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Speaker 7: Well, it's probably online. I'm not I hate computers, but no,

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Speaker 7: it's it's like a thick magazine. It's called the Traveler's Guide.

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Speaker 7: As I say, it's published in I believe Somerset, Kentucky.

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Speaker 7: I get it every well, I get a handful of

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Speaker 7: them every year. I give them to somebody's mind. But

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Speaker 7: if you're not familiar with it, it's worth your attention. Okay,

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Speaker 7: let me let me give you a super quick example

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Speaker 7: a year ago, for instance, in one state I think Virginia,

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Speaker 7: you can carry You can carry in a rest area,

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Speaker 7: but you can't carry it into the buildings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, right, because there's a government, government owned building. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I understand.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, But I mean you can carry in the parking lot,

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Speaker 7: but you can't carry it into the building where you

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Speaker 7: if you ever need one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know what, Ian That is really a

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Speaker 3: good example of what I was mentioning earlier, which is

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Speaker 3: how idiosyncratic and how different the laws can be from

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Speaker 3: state to state, and people a lot of times don't

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Speaker 3: understand that there's so much more to know and so

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Speaker 3: much more to know to be able to stay out

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Speaker 3: of trouble while traveling with your firearm than just whether

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Speaker 3: a particular state recognizes your license to carry that we

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Speaker 3: have here in Indiana, or whether or not a particular state

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Speaker 3: is constitutional carry. That literally is the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 3: And the rest stop example that Ian just gave is

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Speaker 3: another great example. Let's go back to the phone lines.

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Speaker 3: Well we've got Jeff oh hold on. Producer Gavin has

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Speaker 3: put in, here is Nigel's dad. This is Nigel's dad. Yep,

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Speaker 3: oh Man, Yeah, yeah, you're You're like a celebrity by

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Speaker 3: proxy Nigel's dad.

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Speaker 8: I guess I'm I'm semi famous.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely well, man, I've met you before, sir, and uh

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Speaker 3: I thank you for calling the show.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I have kind of a boring question for you,

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Speaker 8: but I'm probably not a lot different than some of

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Speaker 8: your listeners. And that I have an odd little collection

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Speaker 8: of guns, many of them which I have never shot,

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Speaker 8: and some of them that I may not touch between

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Speaker 8: a few.

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Speaker 3: Years at a time. Sure, I was wanting to get

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Speaker 3: your advice.

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Speaker 8: Do I open those things back up and need to

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Speaker 8: clean and oil them even if it's in a box

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Speaker 8: and never been fired.

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Speaker 3: That's such a good question, and and and listen, and

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Speaker 3: thanks so much for calling Jeff, as I say, I've

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Speaker 3: met you and shook your hand before, and uh yeah,

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Speaker 3: which was an honor and and and it's an honor

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Speaker 3: to have you call the Gun Guys show, So thank you, sir,

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, no, this is something that it's such

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Speaker 3: a good question because guns over time and depend on

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Speaker 3: on finish and whatnot. Guns vary a lot, but guns

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Speaker 3: can certainly corrode over time. Uh, just even in a

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Speaker 3: box whatnot. You know, there's an issue with guns become

945
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Speaker 3: just coming in dry over time and that and that

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Speaker 3: means more with some guns than others. But any kind

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Speaker 3: of semi automatic in particularly, but even a revolver, I'd

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Speaker 3: be worried about rust. And I'm worried about lubrication. So

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Speaker 3: that gun will function appropriately if and when I take

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Speaker 3: it out of the box or take it out of

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Speaker 3: the safe or wherever it might be. Even guns that

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Speaker 3: are stored in safes. Again, depending on how well you

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Speaker 3: you you monitor and control the humidity inside your gun safes,

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Speaker 3: it can be an issue with corrosion. And listen, lubrication

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Speaker 3: is a number one cure and number one preventative, I

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Speaker 3: should say, uh for corrosion of a firearm. And and

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Speaker 3: and functionality is so important as well. So yeah, one

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Speaker 3: thing I do and it's kind of fun actually yeah,

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Speaker 3: And a lot of times I do this over the holidays.

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Speaker 3: If I can get a couple of days off, is

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Speaker 3: the's haul guns out of the safes and and you know,

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Speaker 3: and spread them out and just spend you know, an

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Speaker 3: afternoon or a couple afternoons, depending on a number of

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Speaker 3: guns you're talking about, and just clean and lubricate everything.

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Speaker 3: And if listen, if something hasn't been shot, okay, there's

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Speaker 3: nothing wrong still with running a swab down the barrel,

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Speaker 3: a little light coating of oil, run through the chamber,

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Speaker 3: make sure that the mechanisms are properly lubricated, all according

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Speaker 3: to your owner's manual. Guns are so different. Some guns

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Speaker 3: don't like to be wet, other guns like to be.

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Speaker 3: Some guns function with more lubrication, some function guns function

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Speaker 3: better with less but a little light code of lubrication

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Speaker 3: and in a proper cleaning and keeping dust out of

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Speaker 3: everything is absolutely essential, not only for the functioning of

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Speaker 3: those firearms, for making sure that they're being preserved. And listen,

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Speaker 3: I've hauled guns out well, I shouldn't even admit this.

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Speaker 3: I had a beautiful little riger twenty two and I

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Speaker 3: got it wet at the range one day. I was

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Speaker 3: shooting at the outdoor range when we still ran an

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Speaker 3: Eagle Creek pistol range and then I put it in

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Speaker 3: a canvas after I cleared it obviously unloaded it. I

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Speaker 3: put it in a kind of a canvas zip up

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Speaker 3: storage bag and then put that in my range bag

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Speaker 3: and then put it in my car. And when I

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Speaker 3: got home, I went in and I took the guns

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Speaker 3: out of my range bag and I took the little

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Speaker 3: twenty two forty five it's called the model of it,

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Speaker 3: and I left it in because I already cleared it,

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Speaker 3: I knew it was safe. I left it in the

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Speaker 3: zip up bag and put it back in my gun

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Speaker 3: safe and I left it in there for I don't know,

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Speaker 3: two or three weeks. And it's a gun that I

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Speaker 3: really liked to use in classes. This is a beautiful

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Speaker 3: little guns, well functioning gun, and it's really easy to

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Speaker 3: learn how to shoot with a gun like that. I'm

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01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 3: really easy to teach someone. So I wanted to take

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Speaker 3: it out and I was getting ready for a class

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Speaker 3: and I pulled a gun that had gotten wet is.

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Speaker 3: This is a guy who wrote gun safety and cleaning

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Speaker 3: for Demis. I hate to admit I would still do

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Speaker 3: something this stupid, but exactly what I did I pulled

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Speaker 3: that gun out of there that had been sitting in

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Speaker 3: a wet bag inside my safe after I've gotten the

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Speaker 3: gun wet itself because we're shooting at an outdoor range

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Speaker 3: and the corrosion it was all luckily mainly surface oxidation,

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01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 3: but the rust on this gun was something that was

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Speaker 3: absolutely heartbreaking for anybody who cares about their firearms. And

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Speaker 3: that's a really extreme example, and it doesn't really match

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Speaker 3: up with Jeff's question, but there's a preservative factor in

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Speaker 3: terms of making sure guns are clean and lubricated even

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Speaker 3: if you're not shooting them. And there's certainly a functionality

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Speaker 3: issue as well. Be guns over time just get dry

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Speaker 3: and a lot of gun especially semi automatics, just don't

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Speaker 3: function real well without the appropriate amount of lubrication. With that,

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I think. We'll take a break

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Speaker 3: at the bottom of the hour, we'll come back, we'll

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Speaker 3: go back to the phone lines. We've had other people

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Speaker 3: call in and continue talking about gun related issues during

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Speaker 3: the holidays, including if I have time, I want I

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Speaker 3: want to get into the fact that the Mom's Demand

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Speaker 3: Action big gun control group, part of every Town for

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Speaker 3: Gun Safety. They put it on an article hoping to

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Speaker 3: get their members to debate gun control at the holiday

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Speaker 3: dinner table. That's interesting, including a PowerPoint presentation and talking

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01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 3: points for you to use right there while you're carving

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Speaker 3: the turkey at Christmas or Thanksgiving. That's what Mom's Demand

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01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 3: Action wants you to engage in. Interesting enough, we get

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that if we have time. I'm as well.

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Speaker 3: Right now, we're taking a break. This is Guy Ralford

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Speaker 3: on The Gun Guys Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 2: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 2: three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. And I'll tell you what

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Speaker 3: Anthony has called in, but on hold for a while. Anthony,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Gun Guy Show. Thanks for calling.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, have you Thanksgiving. I've got a old piece of

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Speaker 6: trivia because I've been watching the chat and then and

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Speaker 6: then probably a fairly quick question. Bolo is actually a

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Speaker 6: Spanish word for machete, and it takes back to when

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Speaker 6: the Philippines were a US territory.

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Speaker 3: Well, we were talking about this on the YouTube chat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah okay, yeah, and.

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Speaker 6: It was it was a term for failing to qualify. Uh,

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Speaker 6: was your with your assigned weapon as the Philippine word

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Speaker 6: for a machete. So if you failed to qualify, you

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Speaker 6: weren't given your rifle. You were given the machete of

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01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 6: shame and you had to carry that around. And it

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Speaker 6: has become the military term for failing to qualify with

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Speaker 6: your weapon ever since then. It's called a bolo. The

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Speaker 6: question is has to do.

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Speaker 9: With the the Uh something that I saw online but

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01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 9: no details that the atf IS is issuing new rules

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Speaker 9: with it with regard to transporting items.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely agress that you bet Anthony, and hey, listen,

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Speaker 3: thanks so much for your call. It's always a pleasure. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What Anthony's talking about here is a couple of things.

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Speaker 3: Uh uh. The first of all, and we're talking about

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Speaker 3: NFA items uh, automatic firearms or machine guns, shop broiled rifle,

1060
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Speaker 3: sharp broiled pistols, suppressors, shortbrold shot guns. If I did

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Speaker 3: mention that there there are some restrictions on those. Some

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Speaker 3: of the reasons people don't necessarily want an NFA item

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Speaker 3: One the f we register with the federal government. But secondly,

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Speaker 3: there are restrictions, including that you cannot take a registered

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Speaker 3: NFA item across state lines without the ATS permission. And

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Speaker 3: there is a what's called a Form twenty and you

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Speaker 3: can download that and can fill it out and you

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Speaker 3: can say, Hey, you know, I'm going to I'm going

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Speaker 3: to go to a gun site in Paulton, Arizona. I'm

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Speaker 3: taking a car being class, I want to take my SBR.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be there from such and such a

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Speaker 3: date to the later date, and I'm staying, you know,

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Speaker 3: at this hotel, or I'm camping there at the gun

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Speaker 3: site facility, whatever it is. And you send that in

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Speaker 3: and they and they approve that form, and you always

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Speaker 3: have to give yourself a huge amount of lead time

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Speaker 3: because you never quite knew how long ATF was going

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01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 3: to take to approve that. And I think the modifications

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Speaker 3: in the system that Anthony's talking about also include the

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01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 3: fact that if you have a registered NFA item, Let's

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Speaker 3: say I have an SBR that's got a seven inch

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01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 3: barrow on the upper and it's five five six, and

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Speaker 3: I've done a bunch of reading and I figure out

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Speaker 3: that the ballistics, the ballistic performance sucks out of a

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01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 3: seven inch five five six barrel, and I decide I

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01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 3: want to modify that to a twelve and a half

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Speaker 3: inch barrel. A lot of people consider it to be

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01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 3: more the minimum barrel length to really get adequate performance

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Speaker 3: out of five five six. But I've registered the gun

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Speaker 3: at seven inches, and I have to have on file

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Speaker 3: with the ATF the correct configuration of the gun or

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Speaker 3: I'm outside the requirements of the NFA. There's been a

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Speaker 3: system where you can essentially send them in writing the

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01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 3: notification that the configuration of your registered NFA item is changing,

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01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 3: and then they approve that and send that back to

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Speaker 3: you and say, yes, your description of your NFA item

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Speaker 3: is now modified in the NFRTR, which is the registry

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Speaker 3: of NFA items. What Anthony's talking about is that ATF

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Speaker 3: is announced that they're going to a digital process, an

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01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 3: online process, to make this much simpler and easier and

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Speaker 3: most importantly faster.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'd put easy and fast right there as one and

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 3: one A on my priorities in order to get those

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01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 3: kinds of things approved. And I know it. This is

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01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 3: relative to the Form twenty for interstate transfer, and by

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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 3: the way, suppressors for whatever reason, fall outside the Form

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 3: twenty requirement, which is to notify ATF and get approval

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01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 3: before you can take one across the state lines. You

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01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 3: want to take your suppressor with your full length rifle

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01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 3: across state lines, go take a class, go hunting, whatever

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01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 3: it might be. You can do that without the Form twenty.

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01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 3: But I understand I'm move into a digital or online

1114
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 3: through ATFE forms and listen if you're into NFA items,

1115
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 3: and I have a bunch of stamps. I'm double digits

1116
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 3: between SBRs, SBS's and suppressors, which my new addiction, and

1117
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 3: I enjoy them and I'm going to continue owning them.

1118
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 3: And I'm excited about the fact that two hundred dollars

1119
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 3: taxes going away, although I wish the NFA would go away,

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Speaker 3: and it's entire as there are efforts underway in the

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01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 3: courtroom to accomplish, but the wait times on getting a

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01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 3: Form one to build an NFA item like an SBR,

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Speaker 3: or a Form four to transfer an NFA item like

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Speaker 3: a suppressor. I've had suppressor transfers in the last six months.

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Speaker 3: I've had them approved in two and a half days

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Speaker 3: three days. I had an SBR Form one. I had

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01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 3: two of them approved less than three days right at

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01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 3: or less than three days, and that's because ATF is

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01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 3: improving their efficiency. And again I don't want to be

1130
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 3: caught bragging on ATF, because lord knows they're guilty of

1131
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 3: a lot of transgressions on the rights of law abiding

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01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 3: citizens as well. But on the NFA registration and on

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01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 3: the manipulation of the electronic process through ATFE forms, they're

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01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 3: getting a hell of a lot better. And the idea

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01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 3: to move the form twenty to be in digital now,

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01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,759
Speaker 3: to be able to process that and get an approval

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01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 3: back in what a day or two as opposed to

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01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 3: weeks when you want to travel with your NFA item,

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01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 3: that's a nice that's a nice benefit. Now there are

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01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,719
Speaker 3: probably people out there they're gonna send me an email,

1141
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 3: or they're going to comment on on the YouTube chat.

1142
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 3: Oh here here is guy, you know, praising the NFA

1143
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 3: and praising government control. And that's not what I'm talking about.

1144
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 3: Part of my living is fighting against these things and

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01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 3: trying to make them go to way, to go to

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01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 3: a way altogether, and contesting the constitutionality of them. But

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01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 3: I'm saying, if we're under the current regulatory regime that

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01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 3: we are, anything ATF can do can do to make

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01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 3: that more efficient and less time consuming on me and

1150
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 3: my fellow gun owners. I'm gonna at least give a

1151
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 3: thumbs up to that, recognizing we have bigger objectives, which

1152
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 3: is to get to get out from underneath the thumb

1153
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 3: of the government altogether. But that is another discussion right now.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a break. We'll come back and wrap up

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Speaker 3: this edition of The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 2: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 2: three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back for the last segment here of The

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Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC. You know, I

1160
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 3: was mentioning traveling with firearms earlier in the show, and

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01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 3: we only have a few minutes left, but let me

1162
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 3: also address quickly the issue of flying with a firearm

1163
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 3: and a lot of people I'm talking about flying commercially,

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01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people get intimidated out of doing this.

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Speaker 3: And whether you're going on vacation, I want to take

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Speaker 3: your personal defense handgun with you, whether you want to

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01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 3: go on a hunting trip. For me, training courses, I

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01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 3: want to go out a state training courses often and

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01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 3: try to go a few times a year, and a

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Speaker 3: lot of people get intimidated at the idea of traveling

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Speaker 3: with their firearm, and they don't want to get in trouble,

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Speaker 3: they don't want to break any laws, and so they

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Speaker 3: talk themselves out of doing it together and all together.

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Speaker 3: And let me tell you, you're really cheating yourself if

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01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 3: you do that, because it's not a particularly complicated or

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01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 3: troublesome process. And once you've done it, or done it

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01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 3: a couple of times, it becomes second nature. But you

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Speaker 3: can travel with your firearm. The key is to know

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Speaker 3: it's got to be unloaded in a secure case. That's

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Speaker 3: a hard sighted, locking container that is completely unloaded. Unloaded

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01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 3: means there's no ammunition in any magazine, any chamber of

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Speaker 3: the firearm, and it has to be hard sided to

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 3: the extent you cannot pry it open. You can't, you know,

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Speaker 3: pry it open from either end. It has to be

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Speaker 3: hard sided unlocked. You take it to the airport with

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Speaker 3: you and you can decline an unloaded firearm. They're at

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Speaker 3: the baggage counter when you're checking your bag and you

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Speaker 3: say I want to declare an unloaded firearm. They have

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Speaker 3: you sign a little placard that where you verify the

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01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 3: guns unloaded it goes back in the lock container. It disappears,

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Speaker 3: and then you have to go through security and you

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 3: have to identify yourself as someone who's declared an unloaded

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Speaker 3: gun in your check bag. Then you have to stop

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Speaker 3: at the TSA kiosk on the other side and they

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01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 3: will they will wait for a while. I think they're

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01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 3: X raying the gun to see if they can determine

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Speaker 3: whether it's unloaded without opening the case. They typically need

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01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 3: the key from you to go open the case verify

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Speaker 3: it's unloaded. They come back, they say you're good to go.

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01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 3: You get on your airplane. Now when it arrives, it's

1201
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 3: your location. It does not go on the carousel, thank god.

1202
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 3: It goes to the baggage office of the airline you're

1203
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 3: traveling on. You go there with ID and claim it

1204
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 3: and listen. We don't have time to get into more

1205
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 3: of the details, and there are more details to go into,

1206
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 3: but just go TSA dot gov TSA dot or excuse me, yes,

1207
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 3: it's TSA dot gov, and then search traveling with firearms

1208
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 3: traveling with firearms. They'll give you all the details and

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01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 3: you can do it. You can go to your hunting trip.

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Speaker 3: You go on your training course and all get by

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Speaker 3: just fine. That's it for this week's edition to the

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Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show. Hope you enjoy it and hope you

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Speaker 3: come back next week. This is Guy Rilford on The

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Speaker 3: Gun Guys Show on ninety three WIBC