1 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Forget sixty seven. 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: America has a new retirement age and you get to pick. 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: It's either eighty five or thirty five. 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm gonna pick thirty five. 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: Right, Okay, you can do that, but you're gonna have 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: to save, aggressively, invest smartly, and quit your high stress 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: career if you can afford it. 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 3: No, I didn't do any of those things. 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: That sounds pretty good, right. 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: There's this new movement it's called Fire, the Fire movement. 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 2: It stands for financial independence, retire early, and that has 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: inspired well, i'm gonna say millennials, which you don't fall 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: into that category, to save, aggressively, invest smartly, and then 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: quit their high stress careers. But according to a new study, 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: and I don't mean to stress you out, okay, but 16 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: you need one and a half million dollars to retire comfortably. 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: Comfortably being the subjective word in that sentence. 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one and a half million retiring in 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: Silicon Valley, California or Los Angeles. You're not gonna be 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 3: very comfortable. One and a half million retiring in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Yeah, 21 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: you can do all right. 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit better. So the old idea of 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: retiring at. 24 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: Age sixty seven or sixty five or even sixty two 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: and a half. It's being challenged and there are some 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: people who have to work well into their eighties because 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: they did not save aggressively or invest smartly. And there's 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 2: the other side of the young group who's wanting to 29 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: invest in crypto and then retire at age thirty five. 30 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: Okay, lot going on here, but the study was really 31 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: interesting because it did talk about how, you know, there's 32 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: this kind of split that's happening where you know, sixty 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: seven that's the full retirement age for Social Security. That's 34 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: kind of been what everybody's had in their mind. Or 35 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: if you want to take social Security early and take 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: a little less money, you can retire as early as 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: sixty two. But that's sort of time period there for 38 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: the last twenty thirty forty years has kind of been 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: everybody's target for retirement. But the study goes into details 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 3: that that is splitting, and like you talked about, there's 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: this younger generation and I get it. Look, if you 42 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: come out of college with a degree that's in high demand, 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: whether you're an engineer or you're in finance, or you know, 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: cybersecurity or something like that, and you can make six 45 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: figures pretty soon after graduating college, and you want to 46 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: live a pretty spartan, meager lifestyle and throw all of 47 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: your money into investments and do that for ten or 48 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: fifteen years, and all of a sudden, you got a 49 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 3: couple million bucks and you can retire at thirty five. 50 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 3: That's appealing for a lot of people. But the other 51 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: part of the study talked about how you know, whether 52 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: it's inflation or the cost of living or everything else 53 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 3: going on in their lives, that there are people that 54 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: they can't retire at sixty seven or seventy or seventy 55 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 3: five or sometimes even eighty and are going well into 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: their eighties and still working. Now. Some people do that 57 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: because they just like to keep busy and enjoy work, 58 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: but far too many are doing it because they have to. 59 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 3: And it really reflects a lot of what you and 60 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: I have talked about on this show, and the fact 61 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: that it's beyond that there is a K shaped economy 62 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: that we're living in right now. So if you think 63 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: of the letter K, you've got a line on the side, 64 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: and then you've got one line coming out of it 65 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: that goes up and another line coming out of it 66 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: that goes down. And in today's economy, there's some people 67 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: that are doing pretty darn well. And you know, if 68 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: you're thirty five and you saved a lot and you 69 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 3: can retire, And then for others because of the cost 70 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: of living, because how life is so expensive. That's the 71 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: other point. 72 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: Costs and healthcare, childcare, costs. 73 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: All of it, all of those sort of things. And 74 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: so you've got this K shaped economy for people that 75 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: are working. But now we're starting to see this K 76 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: shape in retirement as well, where some are having to 77 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: work into their eighties while others can, you know, buckle 78 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 3: down and get out of there, you know, in their 79 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: thirties or early forties. 80 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: So you've got the thirty five year old Americans who 81 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: are grinding and just working as much as possible, maybe 82 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: striking it rich and dough and they're. 83 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: Saying, you know what, I'm out. 84 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: And then you've got the other spectrum, the people that 85 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: are working until they physically can't work anymore. 86 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: And Social Security not making it stretch. 87 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: I remember when we were younger, and we were just 88 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: young baby radio music disc jockeys. Yeah, I am the 89 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: exact same age as Ryan Seacrest. 90 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, from American Idol and now the host of 91 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: Wheel of Fortune. 92 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: And we we thought about him because there was a 93 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: time and he still does it where he was doing 94 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: his radio show, he was co hosting the show with 95 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 2: Kelly Rippa, he was doing American Idol, he was doing 96 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: his syndicated radio shows, and he was also working the 97 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: New Year's Eve show. 98 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: Exactly marks New Year's rocketyas Also he was the producer 99 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: of The Kardashian Show and other shows on the network. 100 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 2: Of course, at some point he eventually was able to 101 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: hire staff to help him. But we always thought, if 102 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: you were in a position like him, would you work 103 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: your butt off like he had to have been working 104 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: sixty plus hours a week? 105 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: Oh well, boy got that, Yeah, crazy hours. 106 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: Work your butt off for just a few years. 107 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: And just make a ton of money and then say, yep, 108 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: I'm done and walk away, or would you just keep 109 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: going and going and going. Now I always said, now, 110 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 2: I'd say I'm good and walk away. Oh, work real 111 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: hard for a short period of time, for a short 112 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: amount of time and then walk away. 113 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that, you know, I think a 114 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 3: lot of people wrestle with that. We saw this during COVID. 115 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: Remember when remote work exploded during COVID, and you saw 116 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: that there was a certain group of people that were 117 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: taking two full time jobs at the same time because 118 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 3: they could do both jobs remotely and never had to 119 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: go into work. And essentially we're getting two paychecks and 120 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: making an absolute ton of money. I think it comes 121 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: down to each individual's you know, preference and choice. Look 122 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 3: for a lot of people, especially if you got kids 123 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 3: and a lot of other family responsibilities, or even elderly parents, 124 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: the concept of working fourteen sixteen eighteen hour days just 125 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: isn't physically possible with your other responsibilities. But for some people, 126 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: if you're single and living alone and you enjoy what 127 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: you do and you want to grind real hard and 128 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: work crazy hours and make as much money as you 129 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 3: can so you don't have to work later, you know, 130 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: that's a decision you can make. And I think that 131 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 3: you know, this all goes back to what we started 132 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: off this break talking about, is you know, it's different 133 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 3: for everybody, and there's some people. 134 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: Right, there's some people who have no choice. 135 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely, some people that have no choice, and then there 136 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 3: are other people that are like, you know what, I'm 137 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: not gonna live to work. I'm going to work to live, 138 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 3: and so therefore I'm gonna kind of, you know, have 139 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: fun while I'm in my prime working earning years and 140 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: maybe not make as much money, but enjoy myself more 141 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: during that period of. 142 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: Time, and they may find themselves working till the age 143 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: of eighty five as well. 144 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: I've always been the grinder. I'm the guy that is like, 145 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: although it hasn't worked out for me. Wait a minute, 146 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 3: Why have I been the guy that's been working twelve 147 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: and fourteen hour days forever? And I don't feel like 148 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: I'm any closer to retirement than I was when I 149 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: was started? How did that work? 150 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: Here? 151 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: And the work thirty five? And then cash out is 152 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: long gone for you? 153 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, belong one. 154 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: So the middle. 155 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 2: Class retirement age of sixty five becoming a myth. 156 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: By the way, this is your reminder. 157 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: It is Financial Literacy Month and you can go to 158 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: my money dot gov today if you want to give 159 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: more information. They're not paying for any promotional plug. I 160 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: just wanted to remind you that there is a resource 161 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: out there for you. 162 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: Now. 163 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: Speaking of jobs, FAA has proposed to hire twenty three 164 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: hundred air traffic controllers in their latest budget request. And 165 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: here is the Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy saying, we just 166 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: had the biggest year of hiring, but we want more. 167 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: So let's say to it. 168 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: It's number one staffing and the other part of technology. 169 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 4: So in regard to staffing, we had the biggest year 170 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 4: of hiring in six years at the at our air 171 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 4: traffic controllers. So we hired twenty four hundred new controllers 172 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 4: in the last twelve months. We have more controllers for 173 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: the first time since pre pandemic. We have big classes 174 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 4: coming through. Next week, we're going to announce a new 175 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 4: class of air traffic controllers. We're thinking differently. We have 176 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 4: a thirty percent washout rate, so how do we bring 177 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 4: that rate down again? We want to have a washout rate, 178 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 4: but thirty percent is too high. Getting the right young 179 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 4: adults to get into the school is what we're thinking 180 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 4: through right now. 181 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: So that part is going well. 182 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 4: We still have a deficit. I've also included those controllers 183 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 4: who are eligible to retire. I'm offering them a twenty 184 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 4: percent up front cash bonus to not retire to stand 185 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 4: the job. But when we look at the Gordia again, 186 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 4: we had two controllers in the tower. But I'm looking 187 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 4: at how do I update the system to make sure 188 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 4: we have the best technology so humans can always make airs. 189 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 4: So how do I have great air traffic controllers and 190 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 4: I back them up with great technology. I got twelve 191 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 4: and a half billion dollars that I'm working on right now. 192 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: The next two and a half years, we're going to 193 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 4: spend that building out. You know, we're going to have telecom, 194 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 4: We're gonna have new Raida, our new voice switches. But 195 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 4: the next part is you need new software to manage 196 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 4: the system. Congress has to give me money. 197 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: For that, Okay, So that's kind of encouraging, especially giving 198 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: this staffing shortages in aviation over the past couple of years. 199 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 2: Hopefully the training which he mentioned will help with retention 200 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: and keep the pace. And that's where you want your 201 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: government spending some money safety in the skies. It's nice 202 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: to have, right It's essential stuff that many Americans rely 203 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: on every single day. 204 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: Spending money where it matters. 205 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: So he's talking about, Hey, we already hired a bunch 206 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: of new people, but now we have more positions we 207 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: need to fill well. 208 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 3: And it's good that they're looking ahead because it takes 209 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 3: two to three years to train a single air traffic controller. 210 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: So this isn't something where you're like, oh my gosh, 211 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: we're short staff. We gotta got a bunch of people 212 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: in here. Now, Well, great, they're not gonna be ready 213 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: for two or three years because they've got to go 214 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: through this whole training process. But it's fascinating that, you know, 215 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: being an air traffic controller, that is a high paying 216 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: job that is available to pretty much anybody. You do 217 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: not have to have a college degree to become an 218 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: air traffic controller. All you have to have is one 219 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: year of full time work experience. That's it in any 220 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 3: field of any sort to be able to apply apply 221 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 3: to be an air traffic controller in casey. The median 222 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 3: annual wage for an air traffic controller in the United 223 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: States on this date today, yeah, one hundred and forty 224 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: four thousand dollars a year. 225 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: That's a high stress job, though you're going to pay 226 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: for it, but. 227 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: That's why they make so much. But think about that, 228 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: that is a career that you could take that pays 229 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: almost one hundred and fifty on the average, almost one 230 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year and does not 231 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: require a college degree. There's just not many careers or 232 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: jobs out there that look like that. Now, like you said, 233 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: it's a high stress job, you actually got to have 234 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: the mental acuity to do that, because, by the way, 235 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: those air traffic controllers they're thinking on their feet. I mean, 236 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: they got a million things coming at them, those things 237 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: being planes all the time that they've got to keep 238 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: track of, and it's a life or death situation every day. 239 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 3: You've got to get it right. So yeah, I get 240 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 3: that it's a high stress job. But to be able 241 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: to have a job that pays one hundred and forty 242 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: four grand a year without a college degree, not a 243 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 3: whole lot of those out there. By the way, if 244 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: you are interested in applying, you can go right now 245 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 3: to USA Jobs dot gov. 246 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: Oh, that's where you go. 247 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: All of those USA jobs jobs are there, all the. 248 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: Federal job, federal government job. 249 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: So you've got a highre starting pay, and that is 250 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: to attract and also keep controllers. You also have the 251 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: FAA offering bonuses the agency. The FAA asking for ninety 252 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: five point four million dollars to hire more trainees, and 253 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: they're also seeking an additional thirty nine million dollars and 254 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: that is to bolster the aviation safety oversight and the 255 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: commercial space. Do you remember when we had so many 256 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: problem when Buddha Judge was the Transportation Secretary. You, yes, 257 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: and he was saying we need system upgrades. Well, now 258 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: you've got Sean Duffy saying, show me the money and 259 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: I'll give you the upgrade. 260 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 261 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 3: It's smart of the federal government to be thinking ahead 262 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: again because it takes two to three years to train 263 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: these air traffic controllers. Oh, by the way, one of 264 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: the other key parts of being an air traffic controller 265 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: you have to agree to be able to move anywhere 266 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: in the country where they need you. So it's the 267 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: kind of thing of where you go to the training, 268 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: you do it for two or three years, and then 269 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: you get that reveal at the end where am I going? 270 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: Come on Miami, Come on, Miami, moyne ile. 271 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: So when you go to USA, chop stuck up firms 272 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: that little box. 273 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: Are you willing to relocate? If you click no, you're 274 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: not getting considered. 275 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, you have to absolutely agree to relocate because 276 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: they will send you anywhere in the country where they're needed, 277 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: and maybe it's someplace great like Miami or San Diego 278 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 3: or maybe it's my not North Dakota. You don't get 279 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 3: a choice in it. But that's why the job pays 280 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: almost hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year or two. 281 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: John at Cruise from the WIBC newsroom is going to 282 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: join us next on ninety three WIBC joining us from 283 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: the WIBC news room. We've got John at Cruise in 284 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: the studio. 285 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 5: Hey, good morning, good morning. 286 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: You've got a lot going on. 287 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: I do, I do? 288 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's begin and talk about what happened with 289 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: that stop at the Wings place in downtown Indianapolis ended 290 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: up in gunfire, leaving one man dead, another in jail, 291 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: and a third walking free. 292 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: What's yeah, that's actually is that actually. 293 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 6: Happened back on March seventh. It was just a nephew 294 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 6: and an uncle going to get some food. Some type 295 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 6: of altercation happened in that alleyway right near Wingstop, right 296 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 6: at the corner of Washington and Pennsylvania. The family says 297 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 6: that the uncle and the nephew were defending themselves under 298 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 6: against this other person who had a gun. They got 299 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 6: into some type of altercation. The guy shot the uncle. 300 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 6: The nephew at that point then pins down the guy 301 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 6: with the gun throws the gun, and there is footage 302 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 6: of the nephew on top of the guy that shot 303 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 6: his uncle. That is the only photo that was showed 304 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 6: to the public. So when everything else happened, you know, 305 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 6: they send the uncle to the hospital, they send the 306 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 6: nephew to jail because they're saying that they were the 307 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 6: people that were trying to rob this person. 308 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,119 Speaker 5: And the person who shot. 309 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 6: Them is basically getting questioned and got released, no issues, 310 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 6: nothing at all. 311 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 5: He was saying. 312 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 6: The IMPD says he was acting in self defense and 313 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 6: that's why he shot the uncle. The family says it's 314 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 6: the opposite way around. So there are two completely different 315 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 6: narratives that are happening within this story. So when IMPD 316 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 6: released everything to the public, they showed a screenshot of 317 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 6: the city surveillance footage. The family is now saying, this 318 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 6: is not what happened. We need you to release the 319 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 6: entire footage because the entire footage will show you a 320 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 6: different picture exactly what happened. 321 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 5: The guy went in to go to wingstop to get food. 322 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 6: He left his car on running, so that obviously shows 323 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 6: that you're not trying to rob somebody in terms of 324 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 6: what the family's saying. His name is Jamar Thomas. He 325 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 6: ended up passing away on March twenty fourth. He was 326 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 6: at Esconazi for weeks and so they thought he was 327 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 6: going to pull through, he was going to be fine. 328 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 6: Then out of nowhere, the fiance tries to go visit 329 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 6: him at the hospital and then all of a sudden, 330 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 6: they're not allowed to see him because all of a sudden, 331 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 6: IMPD issues a warrant for his arrest because they're saying 332 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 6: that he tried to rob that person that shot him. 333 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 3: Okay, now that the family has come out and said, hey, 334 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: we've got a different story here, has IMPD responded to that. 335 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 6: IMPD has said they have turned everything over, all of 336 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 6: the evidence, including the full video footage, over to the 337 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 6: Marion County Prosecutor's office and that they will not be 338 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 6: responding anymore to any inquiries about this case. I did 339 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 6: contact the Marion County Prosecutor's office. They said they have 340 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 6: all the evidence right now, that it's still very early 341 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 6: in the investigation process and so they're still going through 342 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 6: everything and they have really nothing to be able to 343 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 6: share with the public at the moment. 344 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: Have they given you any sort of timeline, no timeline 345 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: how long it's going to take them. 346 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 6: However, they just said, you know, as soon as we 347 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 6: have something that we can share with the public, we 348 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 6: will do. 349 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: So, okay, let's move on to this next story. John 350 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: at Cruise from the WIBC newsroom is joining us Indie 351 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: students ten thousand dollars oil change battle reaches Supreme Court. 352 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, so she went to go get an oil change 353 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 6: at a Take five location on the north side of Indianapolis, 354 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 6: and she says that her car was completely fine, and 355 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 6: then after the oil change happened, her car just went haywire. Essentially, 356 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 6: there's tons of things that ended up happening, about ten 357 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 6: thousand dollars worth of damage. She is a college student, 358 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 6: she's twenty four years old. She's majoring in criminal justice. Like, 359 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 6: she kind of knows her stuff. When I started to 360 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 6: interview her on this whole process, so she started to 361 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 6: contact other Take five franchise locations. They ended up then 362 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 6: directing her to Baldwin Capital Partners. I believe it is 363 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 6: LLC who owns some of the franchise elocations. And then 364 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 6: upon her kind of going into and digging into all 365 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 6: this stuff. I mean, there's a lot to this story 366 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 6: because then Capital or Baldwin Partners, they ended up BALDWT 367 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 6: there we go. They ended up getting having Ice Miller 368 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 6: represent them in in terms of the entire case, just 369 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 6: because there's also over twenty three consumer complaints from the 370 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 6: AG's office within Take five Oil Change as well, and 371 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 6: so it just turned into like this big, huge ordeal, 372 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 6: Like she's just like, I just I just want my car. 373 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 5: I want to be able to go to college and 374 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 5: to take my classes and my courses. 375 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 6: And so it's really turned into this ginormous situation. 376 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: Has the company or the franchise owner of the Take five, 377 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 2: the Baldwin Capital Partners, have they responded to any of this? 378 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: No, So I actually in the Supreme Court petition. 379 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, I actually I did contact Ice Miller and they 380 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 6: said that they were not allowed to comment on, you know, 381 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 6: any litigations. 382 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 5: That's happening at this point. 383 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 6: However, they directed me to specific court documents regarding the case, 384 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 6: and I laid that out online at WIBC dot com. 385 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 6: And so then I went to her name is Jay Williams. 386 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 6: I spoke with her and I said, Hey, this is 387 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 6: what you know, Ice Miller sent me, and so she responded, 388 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 6: and that's in the article as well. You know, they 389 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 6: were trying to paint a picture of that she was 390 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 6: harassing the owner and that the owner blocked her potentially, yes, 391 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 6: and she was just like I was just trying to 392 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 6: get to the bottom of why my car was acting 393 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 6: this way. 394 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: Have they offered any sort of mediation or any settlement 395 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: at all? 396 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: Not? 397 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 5: Right now. 398 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 6: It's all going now to the Supreme Court, and the 399 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 6: Supreme Court's going to handle it and take it from there. 400 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 3: And do they is there do we have a timetable 401 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 3: for that? Is the Supreme Court set it for the docket? 402 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 3: Is it coming up? 403 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 6: Yeah? No, timetable at the moment. That was actually just 404 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 6: decided very recently. 405 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: That doesn't seem very common for a consumer dispute to 406 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: go all the way to the Supreme Court. 407 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 6: That's what I was thinking as well. I thought that 408 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 6: was very interesting and what was happening there? 409 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, Now one last story. Yeah, I know, 410 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: John At you always get these interesting, is it you? No, 411 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: it's not you, Okay. 412 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: Last story, poverty is neglect. Mother fights to get children 413 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: from dcs. 414 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 6: Yes, so she her name is DeAnda Hawkins. She lives 415 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 6: in Indianapolis, and she says that there's actually video footage. 416 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 6: I posted it all over my social media. It is 417 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 6: her being outside with two of her children and DCS 418 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 6: comes along with two police officers and they take away 419 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 6: her eldest child and I it's just it's heartbreaking to 420 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 6: just the oldest, just the oldest because she had the 421 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 6: smaller child in her arms at that moment. The video 422 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 6: just shows that they did take the younger one as well, 423 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 6: but she was carrying him at the time, and the 424 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 6: video is just heartbreaking, like the child is screaming, crying 425 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 6: for her for mother. What legal authority did DCA said 426 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 6: that she was homeless at the time. She was staying 427 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 6: with her mother, so she did not have but technically 428 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 6: a place to live, but she was in the process 429 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 6: of trying to find a place. She thinks somehow DCS 430 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 6: was called upon her in her situation and then they 431 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 6: got ahold of it. I did contact DCS. They said 432 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 6: that you know, they don't necessarily need a court order 433 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 6: to remove children, that if there is some some sort 434 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 6: of evidence showing that there's an unwilling or there is 435 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 6: not the proper care for children in terms of home, food, 436 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 6: and shelter that they're able to kind of step in. 437 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 6: And so she's now in this fight of trying to 438 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 6: get them back. 439 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: Is the child in foster care? 440 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 6: Yes, So they're in foster care right now. They've been 441 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 6: in six different placements since September. Yeah, it's been yes since. 442 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 6: So she's only allowed to see her children once a week. 443 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 6: The last time she saw them on two separate occasions. 444 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 6: Her youngest daughter, which is a year old, has multiple 445 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 6: injuries on her face. She's inquired about what is happening 446 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 6: and DCS dismissed it. So said, oh no, the people 447 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 6: that we that foster have been in the system with 448 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 6: us for over ten years. 449 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 5: Nothing whatever happen. 450 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 6: But she keeps seeing things on her daughter's face hearing 451 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 6: now is at the end of April to try and 452 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 6: see if she can get all. 453 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 5: Her children back. 454 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: Okay, what are you working on today? 455 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 3: Oh? 456 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 5: Gosh, today, I am. 457 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 6: You know, the news just broke about an inmate at 458 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 6: Miami County Correctional Facility passing away and there is an 459 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 6: investigation on that, and I. 460 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: Have getting inundated with calls. 461 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 6: I am with messages with the girlfriend who has a 462 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 6: different story. Of what possibly took place. So I'm going 463 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 6: to dig into that a little bit this afternoon as well. 464 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: Okay, we appreciate you, thank you, thank you. It is 465 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: ninety three WIBC. This is one of those moments where 466 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 2: I'm not going to agree with Donald Trump. 467 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: Hold onto your steering wheel. 468 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 2: Here it comes in the fiscal year twenty twenty seven budget. 469 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: It includes a request for one hundred and. 470 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: Fifty two million dollars to begin reopening Alcatraz Island as 471 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: a working federal prison. This is just first year funding 472 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: to rebuild and model the facility. 473 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: This is a one. 474 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty two million dollar ask to plan it, 475 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: not to build it, just to plan it. The cost 476 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 2: of planning to open Alcatraz is already so eyewatering and huge. 477 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: I think we're right to question whether this is a 478 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: smart thing to do. 479 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you on this one. But we we 480 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: know Donald Trump very well at this point. And if 481 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 3: there's one thing that Donald Trump loves more than anything, 482 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: he loves to put on a show. And wouldn't it 483 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: be a show if all of a sudden Alcatraz was 484 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 3: reopened as a federal prison. I mean, that seems like 485 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: something that Donald Trump would absolutely love to do, to 486 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 3: stand on that island and hold the press conference with 487 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: the old prison behind him and talk about how he's 488 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 3: reopening it for the worst of the worst criminals that 489 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: we'll put here and nobody can survive and escaped attempt 490 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 3: by trying to swim to safety or anything like that 491 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: shark infested waters. This seems right up Donald Trump's alley 492 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 3: because he loves putting on a show. 493 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: So the budget request doesn't provide any detailed breakdown of 494 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: how the one hundred and fifty two million dollars would 495 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: be spent, and if that's all, it is just a 496 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: message that we're not soft on crime. 497 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: That is very expensive for a photo op. However, you've 498 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: got the borders are, Tom Homan, and he's on board 499 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: with this idea. 500 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 7: I should be on the table because we need to 501 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 7: touch your beds, and that'd be I think that's an 502 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 7: appropriate place for the the significant public states and threats 503 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 7: and now security threats. 504 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 6: Why not. 505 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: Okay, so you got the borders are and he's saying, yeah, 506 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 2: this is where we should send the worst of the worst. 507 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 2: Let's have the most famous island prison reopened. So is 508 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: the message then actually the policy. 509 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: Well, and keep in mind too, this is why your 510 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 3: cost is why Alcatraz was got down decades ago, because 511 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: it's an island. Let's start with the fact that it's 512 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 3: in California, where everything is crazy expensive. That's number one. 513 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: And then it's an island, so any fuel or food 514 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 3: or supplies has to be shipped over on ferry every 515 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: single day. The people that work there have to like 516 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 3: ferry back and forth every single day to come to and. 517 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: From work, have to live there. 518 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 519 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 3: And and by the way, like you said, this one 520 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty two million dollar request is just a study, 521 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 3: it's just a planet. The actual costs being reported that 522 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: if they were actually to go through with it, it 523 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: would be billions and billions of dollars because the buildings 524 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 3: it's that are on the island right now aren't functioning 525 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 3: for anything more than what it is, which is a 526 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 3: museum essentially. 527 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: Well, Alcatraz actually generates sixty million dollars annually in tourism, 528 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: so say goodbye to that money. 529 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 3: Right, and now we're gonna spend who knows how many 530 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of dollars a year to fund as 531 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 3: a prison. And by the way, we're losing that sixty 532 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 3: million dollars a year in tourist revenue. But the buildings, 533 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 3: I mean, it looks like they have I've been to Alcatraz. 534 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: This was many, many years ago when it was in 535 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 3: San Francisco on a work trip and snuck out one 536 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: afternoon and went to Alcatraz, and did you know you 537 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 3: take the little boat over there and you do the tour. 538 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: Contributed to the sixty million and tourism. 539 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 3: Totally worth it, by the way. Yeah, absolutely very cool. 540 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: But it is I mean, you go inside that building 541 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 3: and it looks like a building that was shut down 542 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 3: seventy years ago, just like it was. I mean, the 543 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: you know, the paint is peeling off the walls, and 544 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 3: you know some of the concrete is you know, flaking 545 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: and broken all over the place. But it it right now. 546 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: It is a very creepy place. It is just very creepy, 547 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 3: very interesting, very cool, lots of great stories. It's definitely 548 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 3: a good touristy thing to do if you're in San Francisco, 549 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,239 Speaker 3: take the Alcatraz tour. But you just get I just 550 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 3: got the weird vibes when I was in there. It's 551 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 3: just it's a very odd looking. 552 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: For it hasn't been a prison since nineteen sixty three. 553 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: And as we mentioned, it's a tourist attraction. It's part 554 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: of the National Park Service. That's who's actually running Alcatraz. 555 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 2: But you're talking about you would have to completely demolish 556 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: the buildings that are there. 557 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: I would think start. 558 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 2: Over and imagine that cost because as you mentioned the reconstruction, 559 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: every supply has to come over on. 560 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: A ferry or a boat. 561 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 3: Well think, I mean, we see pictures from TV and 562 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 3: movies modern prisons. This looks nothing like a modern prison. 563 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 3: It looks like a prison out of one hundred years ago. 564 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 3: I mean, you've got the typical iron bars and these 565 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 3: tiny little cells and they're all lined up with several stories. 566 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: And then there's a little mess hall that you can 567 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 3: go to and some other areas in the prison there. 568 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: But yeah, look, I mean, I think this is going 569 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: to be a long shot for anything like this to happen. 570 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 3: I think, for starters, Donald Trump's going to be out 571 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 3: of office by the time any formal decision is going 572 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: to have to be made. It'll be done well after 573 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight. And again the prison was shut down 574 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 3: because it was toosive to function as a prison. The 575 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: billions we would spend to get it back in working order, 576 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: and then the hundreds of millions a year we would 577 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 3: spend a function as a prison. It doesn't seem like 578 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: it would be a good use of money. But like 579 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: I said, Donald Trump loves a show and he would 580 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 3: love to be the president. That's like yep, I brought 581 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 3: back Alcatraz. Let's get Nicholas Cage in here and we'll 582 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 3: film the rock too. 583 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: That would be a very expensive photo op. 584 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: Aennding reopening is going to require approval from Congress, and 585 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 2: they have to consider the costs, the logistics, the infrastructure needs. 586 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: But Donald Trump first announced this back in May of 587 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 2: twenty five on Truth Social and they're still considering it 588 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: because it is in the twenty seven budget request for 589 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty two million dollars. 590 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 3: And we've got other ways to manage this. I mean, 591 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: Alcatraz was originally started to hold the worst of the 592 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 3: worst machine gun Kelly and al Capone and these terrible, 593 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,479 Speaker 3: awful criminals. And it was done that way because it 594 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: was isolated and you couldn't escape from there, and this 595 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 3: was the way to do it. You know what, we 596 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 3: got a really great supermax facility in Colorado right now 597 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 3: that holds some of the worst of the worst. We've got, 598 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: you know, terrorism suspects there, and you know, the unibomber 599 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 3: is held there. Just really bad dudes. And you know what, 600 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 3: don't hear anything about the supermax prison in Colorado because 601 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 3: you know why nobody escapes from it. It's it's already built, 602 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 3: it's already serving the function we need, and it's in Colorado. 603 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 3: It's not on an island outside, you know, off the 604 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 3: you know, shores of California. It just seems like we've 605 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: got better solutions to this than reopening Alcatraz. 606 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: Again talking about things from the sixties. 607 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: Alcatraz was last a prison in nineteen sixty three. You've 608 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: got the Federal Communications Commission, the governing body. 609 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: Of this radio station. 610 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: There is a law that's been around since nineteen sixty one, 611 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,719 Speaker 2: and now the FCC is looking at changing that and 612 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: it applies to broadcast rules, but more important, iportantly, how you, 613 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: as a fan of your favorite sports event, can or 614 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: cannot watch a game. The FCC has opened a public 615 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: inquiry seeking comment on how current sports rights distribution affects 616 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: your access to games, also the cost of things to 617 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: watch a game, and more importantly, different blackout restrictions. 618 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, so keep in mind here, all four major sporting 619 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: leagues in this country, the National Football League, NBA, Baseball, 620 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 3: and NHL operate with agreements with the federal government that 621 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 3: exempt them to varying degrees from antitrust laws. This, you know, 622 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: it makes sense. Hey, look there's one big baseball league. 623 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 3: If that were a you know, a grocery chain, there 624 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: are only one grocery train in the company. Everybody and say, oh, 625 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: that's a monopoly, let's break it up. That's anti trust. Well, 626 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 3: the sports leagues all settled that with the government years ago. 627 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 3: But part of that settlement was they would agree to 628 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 3: various things. The big one that affects most people are 629 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: local blackout laws. And we've seen this regionally and nationally 630 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: as well to where I can. Let's say I'm a 631 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 3: big fan of the Indianapolis Colts, and so I buy 632 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 3: the NFL's Sunday ticket and I expect every single game 633 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: across the entire league, including my fabulous Indianapolis Colts. But 634 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 3: because I live in Indianapolis, there may be certain times 635 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 3: where I may not be able to see them based 636 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 3: on blackout laws. The other part of this, and this 637 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: is really why this case is being looked at right now, 638 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 3: is so many of these sports leagues arereaming yeah exactly. 639 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 3: They're moving these agreements and part of their packages to 640 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 3: these streaming services like Netflix and Apple and Amazon Prime. 641 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 3: And and here's the tricky thing, and this is where 642 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 3: the FCC may run into some problems here. The FCC 643 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: doesn't regulate streaming services, right, you know, they regulate broadcast TV. 644 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 3: They don't regulate these streaming services. But if you're a 645 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: big fan and you wanted to watch every single Major 646 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 3: League Baseball game broadcast this year, because the rights are 647 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 3: carved up between so many areas, you could easily be 648 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 3: spending one thousand or fifteen hundred bucks to do this. 649 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 3: We saw this with the start of this Major League 650 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: Baseball season, the very first game of the season Yankees 651 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: and Dodgers, and it was on Netflix. 652 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: Well, and that's one of the reasons that some of 653 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: these lawmakers they're pushing the FCC to look at these 654 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: sports streaming costs and the anti competitive practices. They're saying 655 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: that the streaming deals make it harder and more expensive 656 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: for viewers to watch the games. But is it the 657 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: FCC's job to babysit TV deals or do you just 658 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: let competition and consumer choice, not regulators, drive where the 659 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: games end up. 660 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: Normally you would say that. Normally you'd say let the 661 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 3: market decide. But I think it's because all four of 662 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 3: these networks have these anti trust agreements with the government 663 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 3: that now the government says, okay, we can lean on 664 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 3: these sports leagues a little bit, because, believe me, these 665 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 3: sportsagues don't want anything to change. They're just fat, dumb 666 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 3: and hampy making tons of money with all these The 667 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 3: money's great. We've got all this competition from the streaming guys, 668 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: they're paying billions of dollars. We got cable guys paying us, 669 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 3: we got local broadcast paying us. The sports leagues don't 670 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 3: want anything to do with any of this, but it 671 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 3: may end up being so I think what probably end 672 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 3: up happening here the government will put some pressure on it, 673 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 3: and then part of those anti trust agreements will be 674 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 3: modified a little bit. And my guess is eventually the 675 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: sports legal have to give up a little bit or 676 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 3: else they kind of run the risk of having their 677 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: anti trust agreements completely reevaluate. 678 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: Do we really want another government agencies stepping in though 679 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 2: and rewriting rules? And this is coming from someone who 680 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: is a licensed Federal Communications commission holder. 681 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 3: Well, normally we don't want the government stepping in. But 682 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 3: I don't want to be paying fifteen hundred bucks a 683 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 3: year just to watch all the baseball games either. And 684 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 3: I think that's where the class you're going to see 685 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: it's and this is where the government's going to say, hey, look, 686 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 3: you know you're really charging the consumer and arm and 687 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 3: a leg here to consume your product. We've got to 688 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: make things a little bit more fair and figure out 689 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 3: a solution. 690 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: You're listening to Casey and Jim. It is ninety three WIBC. 691 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: Did you hear this? 692 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: It is time for the best audio of the day. 693 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: And you know who's back. The CEO of McDonald's. 694 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: He's back and he's eating on camera again. 695 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: He had a interview with the Wall. 696 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: Street Journal to discuss his viral moment and this was 697 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: when he was taste testing the McDonald's big arch and 698 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 2: for the interview with the Wall Street Journal. Because nothing 699 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: says fun like the Wall Street Journal, they went down 700 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: into the McDonald's test kitchen, and this time he was 701 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 2: eating nuggies. 702 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: You got any advice for somebody to have to eat 703 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: on camera, Well, I'd say the biggest thing is just 704 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: dive right in. 705 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 3: So I'm looking forward to taking a nice bite out 706 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 3: this chicken nugget. It's a little weird to walk to 707 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 3: each other eat. 708 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, well imagine how I felt. 709 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 2: So you had competitors like Burger King and Wendy's responding 710 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 2: to his Big Arch video where he called it a 711 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: product and he took a tiny, little awkward bite out 712 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 2: of it, and he got mocked by many people online. 713 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 2: It's happening again because a lot of people are saying 714 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: he looked disgusted when he bit into the nuggie. 715 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, this is the return that nobody asked for. 716 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 3: I mean all of this started because he did this 717 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 3: awkward video of him tasting the Big Arch several weeks ago, 718 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 3: and it went viral because it looked so goofy, and 719 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 3: I mean it went about as well as a CEO 720 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 3: of a major company creating social media content you'd think 721 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 3: would look. And then so to kind of make fun 722 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 3: of him a little bit, Yeah, the Burger King ceo 723 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 3: and the Wendy c all these other ceo of fast 724 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 3: food joints trying their hamburgers and putting out videos on 725 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 3: this why McDonald's thought it was a good idea to 726 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 3: send him out again after the first one was such 727 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 3: a disaster, and now to try chicken nuggets. This makes 728 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 3: absolutely no sense to me. I don't know why this 729 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 3: guy keeps going in front of the camera. Just sit 730 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 3: in your office with your spreadsheets and your boardroom and 731 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 3: your PowerPoint presentations and do that. Quit putting yourself out 732 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: there on social media. 733 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: He was sitting down. 734 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 2: For an interview with the Wall Street Journal and the 735 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 2: main point of it was like, you know, hey, how 736 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 2: did you feel about going viral? He said he found 737 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 2: out from his children. They were the ones who told him, 738 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: and he said, you think you gotta have thick skin 739 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: when it comes to social media, and that he liked 740 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 2: it at the end because he knew people were just 741 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 2: having fun. And that's what McDonald's projects is a fun environment. 742 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 2: And like I mentioned, nothing sounds fun like sitting down 743 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 2: with a Wall Street Journal. 744 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 3: There's a big difference between having fun and people making 745 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 3: fun of you. And that's what happened Jason. Yeah, that's 746 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 3: what happened on his first video was it was people 747 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: making fun of him. I don't know how much fun 748 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 3: it was. It was not fun for any of us. 749 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 3: It was awkward to watch you do it, dude. 750 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 2: He claims that the attention still boosted the visibility of 751 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 2: the big arch burger and reflects how brands must engage 752 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 2: in the modern creator economy. Now, what time does McDonald's 753 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 2: start serving nuggies? 754 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 3: It varies on location. Some places it's ten thirty, some 755 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 3: places it's eleven o'clock, So it depends on each love 756 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 3: and we were. 757 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 2: In Washington, DC over the week and my brother was 758 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 2: adamant that he was going to get a twenty piece 759 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 2: chicken McNugget and his wife was saying, they're not serving yet. 760 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 2: Pulled up into the drive through. She was correct, they 761 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 2: weren't serving McNuggets. 762 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 3: Yet because it was nine thirty in the morning. Actually 763 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 3: worked out because that's one of the areas that McDonald's 764 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 3: does a great job. McDonald's breakfast pretty darn good. I 765 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 3: mean pretty darn good. You get it. 766 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 2: Stell in the cokes, the soda fountain, you know, the drinks, 767 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 2: the French fries and the breakfast. 768 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, that's the big selling point for McDonald's. 769 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 3: The fries, I mean, come on, show me a better 770 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 3: French fry than the McDonald's French fries. They're the best. 771 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 3: Their soft drinks, we have all heard the stories about 772 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 3: how they have their special delivery system inside the mechanics 773 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 3: that keeps their you know, coke and die coke and 774 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 3: coke zero tasting better than anybody else. And then their 775 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 3: breakfasts are pretty good. It's the it's the part that 776 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 3: he keeps highlighting that people aren't as enamored with at 777 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 3: McDonald At McDonald's. 778 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: You don't think he came across as authentic. 779 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 3: No, he doesn't come across the league at all. 780 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: A CEO authentic. 781 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 3: And the worst part was then you had the Burger 782 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 3: Kings CEO do his counter video and he was actually 783 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 3: a likable guy. He seemed to like to be a 784 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 3: real likable guy, the CEO of Burger King in direct 785 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 3: contrast to the CEO of McDonald's. 786 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 2: Former FBI special agent Corey Grafs is going to join 787 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 2: us next and we're going to talk about the iconic 788 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 2: ten Most Wanted List that's on the way with KC 789 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 2: and Jim On ninety three WYBC