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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. More discussions today, mister President, are the

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Speaker 1: territorial swaps on the table? Will you be discussing that?

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Speaker 2: But I've got to let Ukraine make that decision, and

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Speaker 2: at a table. And I think you have two sides. Look,

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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin wanted to take all of Ukraine. If I

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Speaker 1: But he's not going to do it. Well, he still

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Speaker 1: wants it, and he's only not going to do it

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Speaker 1: because he might not have the capacity to do it

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Speaker 1: just yet, with what everybody who's been killed and be

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Speaker 1: he might not do it because he's waiting to see

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Speaker 1: Of this, there is no doubt in my mind, Tony Katz,

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Speaker 1: Tony kats today, what is going on? Everybody good to

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Speaker 1: be with you. You'll have Trump, You'll have Putin, You'll

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Speaker 1: have the big meeting in Anchorage. I will get to

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Speaker 1: more of that because everybody wants to play there. You know,

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Speaker 1: here's what's gonna happen, Here's what it all means. My gosh,

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Speaker 1: you know, these people don't know anything. They're just so

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Speaker 1: They have no idea what it all means. But I

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Speaker 1: know that it is a Friday, and that means an

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Speaker 1: audio dump on this feel good Friday. It's not time

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Speaker 1: for it, Tony Katz audio dump? Do you hear yourself?

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Speaker 1: Um down, my cat, this is so awesome. Yes, she

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Speaker 1: always does. Pega Hantas always says yes, that's what makes

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Speaker 1: it all so fine. Oh, I have got so much

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Speaker 3: You know about Donald Trump's America, and.

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Speaker 1: That was top down.

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Speaker 3: You know that for a fact.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure maybe they won't deny it. Said everything you

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Speaker 3: United States, I said in a moment to wake up America.

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Speaker 3: You will not have a country if he rigs this election,

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Speaker 3: you will have a president will be running for a

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Speaker 1: Mark my word. I wasn't exaggerating when I said.

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Speaker 3: That I received in the mail at Trump twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: Maybe somebody was just trolling you. Maybe maybe that was it.

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Speaker 1: I think the troll is that they sent you a hat.

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight. This is weird stuff to talk about,

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Speaker 6: Not been a single fact now that would confirm that

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and so what Wikipedia says, so let's

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Speaker 4: And it is one I experience a lot of climate anxiety,

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Speaker 1: Of us do. It's not funny.

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Speaker 1: That's the audio dumb for today. We do it every Friday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so in addition to everything that you said you

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Speaker 4: bottles that will be available only to the VIPs that

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Speaker 4: come through. I will be tasting that with some of

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Speaker 4: my team before the show, so definitely definitely encourage you

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Speaker 4: to pick up one of those VIP tickets. It's gonna

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Speaker 4: be a really awesome experience. In addition to that, we

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Speaker 4: will be tasting a select number of bourbons throughout the

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Speaker 4: show with the ability to purchase those bottles. Like you said,

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Speaker 4: we can wax dip.

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Speaker 1: Really cool little feature.

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Speaker 4: But then you know, once things start slowing down. We

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Speaker 4: have a nice cigar. We certainly are going to collect

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Speaker 4: the uh, the scragglers of the group, and we'll do

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Speaker 4: we'll do a nice, a little whiskey tour through the

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Speaker 4: building and probably drill some barrels and see what kind

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Speaker 4: of fun we get ourselves into.

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Speaker 1: Julian Jones, West Fork Whiskey, West Fork Whiskey dot com.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you being with us. It is it's going

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Speaker 1: to be an amazing night. Tickets dot Tonycots dot com.

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Speaker 1: Myself in Nick Sercy, get your tickets. Do that right now.

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Speaker 1: But this, this gallop pole is really interesting because it

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Speaker 1: has so made the rounds, and there's a bunch of

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Speaker 1: philosophies about why it is. Younger generations aren't drinking. Now

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Speaker 1: we can argue, well, it's bad for you, and they've

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Speaker 1: learned it's bad for you, and they don't want to

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Speaker 1: take up this this bad habit. I think that's possible. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The gen Z crowd seems pretty health conscious and they

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Speaker 1: they are, you know, looking for for alternatives. It's certainly

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Speaker 1: as as you heard Julian discussed there this idea of

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Speaker 1: CBD all right, it was CBD right, No hemp well,

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Speaker 1: it's all in the same, it's all cannabis derived kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff, and that could be it. But there's another

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Speaker 1: argument to be made. First to the poll where fifty

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Speaker 1: three percent of adults now say moderate drinking is bad

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Speaker 1: for their health, up from twenty eight percent in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Its interesting that number is near doubled. Fifty four percent

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Speaker 1: of US adults say they drink alcoholic beverages liquor, wine,

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Speaker 1: or beer, lower than at any other point in the

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Speaker 1: past three decades. I do think that that creates a

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Speaker 1: little bit of an argument, for there are so many

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Speaker 1: other things they can do, right, gummies are real. But

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Speaker 1: also we saw during COVID and incredible boom, bourbon was

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Speaker 1: on fire. You couldn't find it and they were trying

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Speaker 1: to replenish, so it was hard to find barrels. Certainly

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Speaker 1: couldn't buy a barrel if you want to put something

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Speaker 1: out of your own and always remember that with bourbon. Right,

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Speaker 1: there are laws to these things, you guys know. I

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Speaker 1: wrote a book about bourbon, Let's Go Bourbon develop at

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Speaker 1: Amazon dot Com. It was the first, so it's really

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Speaker 1: a very simple it's just a reader. Right. Here are

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Speaker 1: the laws. Here are the rules. Here's some cool quotes

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Speaker 1: you put in your bathroom. It's a lot of fun, right,

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Speaker 1: that's all. It is a little bit of information, a

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Speaker 1: little bit of fun. The second book, Let's Go Barbecue,

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Speaker 1: was a little more personality driven and story driven. The

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Speaker 1: next book, which I'm working on, Let's Go Grill, but

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Speaker 1: it might be called Let's Go Grilling. That is also

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Speaker 1: going to be in that vein of Let's Go Barbecue.

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Speaker 1: We have to redo Let's Go Bourbon. But that's not

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Speaker 1: the story. The story is is that there are rules

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Speaker 1: to bourbon and ways that it has to be made,

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Speaker 1: steps that have to be followed in order to be

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Speaker 1: called bourbon by law. Bourbon is the American drink. Well,

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Speaker 1: you can pour juice into the barrel, right a first

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Speaker 1: use charred oak, American chart oak barrel, pour it in

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Speaker 1: bored out. That's bourbon. That's the rules being followed. But

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Speaker 1: anybody who is anybody knows that it's going to have

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Speaker 1: to spend some time in the barrel. And you want

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Speaker 1: the four years, and you want to be able to

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Speaker 1: call it straight bourbon whiskey. You want the straight designation

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Speaker 1: on there in order to be able to kind of

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Speaker 1: give yourself a little gravitas. And then there's the knowledge

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Speaker 1: that age, of course creates character, depth of flavor. Things

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Speaker 1: like that you're extracting the flavors from the wood. Depending

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Speaker 1: on the char the heat that you put on it,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get different flavors depending on that mash bill.

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Speaker 1: How are those all those flavors going to connect and unite?

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Speaker 1: These things take time, So when you say the bourbon

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Speaker 1: is flying off the shelves and they want to replenish it,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't get replenished overnight. It's gonna take One could

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Speaker 1: argue for the vast majority of bourbons four years. That's

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Speaker 1: how long the juice is going to spend in the

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Speaker 1: barrel in the rick house. It's going to spend four

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Speaker 1: years or in some cases six, seven, ten, fifteen, depending

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Speaker 1: on what you're trying to do. And then of course

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Speaker 1: you're losing share. That's what they call the angel share.

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Speaker 1: Because of evaporation. You start out with X amount of

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Speaker 1: juice and you end up with of liquid, and then

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Speaker 1: over time you have evaporation, you end up with y amount. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's a difference there. That difference is referred to as

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Speaker 1: the angel share. That's where that expression comes from. So

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Speaker 1: you have that going on. So you're losing liquid, so

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Speaker 1: you have to charge a premium for the liquid depending

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Speaker 1: on the number of years. In the more years you

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Speaker 1: would assume, the more premium that you're going to charge.

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Speaker 1: So now you're gonna have places out there that have

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Speaker 1: more premium bourbon because they spend more time with it

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Speaker 1: in the barrel and they're not gonna have a place

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Speaker 1: to sell it. There isn't gonna be a buyer for it,

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Speaker 1: or there's gonna be less buyers for it, which brings

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Speaker 1: the price down because supplying demand is very real. So

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of moving parts here and a lot

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Speaker 1: of real effect on these distillers. But the point that

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Speaker 1: I think was most interesting to look at here is

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Speaker 1: because in COVID we saw so much buying, and now

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Speaker 1: it's post COVID we see so little buying. What if

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Speaker 1: this is actually a COVID conversation where because we locked

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Speaker 1: people up younger generations, we locked them up. Nope, you

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Speaker 1: can't go see your friends and note, you can't go

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Speaker 1: graduate high school. No you can't do this, No you

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Speaker 1: can't do that, No you can't do the other. Well

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Speaker 1: they don't know how to be social, and drinking is

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Speaker 1: something you do socially. So since they're not social, they

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Speaker 1: don't drink. My kids would tell me that there's plenty

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Speaker 1: of socializing going on and plenty of social actions going on,

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Speaker 1: they're just not interested in the alcohol. I would argue

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Speaker 1: that the truth is somewhere in all of this, a

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Speaker 1: bit of trend, a bit of different generations see things differently.

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Speaker 1: A bit of this generation also is afraid of its

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Speaker 1: social opportunities. They're afraid. They don't know how to be social,

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Speaker 1: they don't know how to do outrage in any situation.

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Speaker 1: While people might look at a less drinking that's great,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I think it's a signal for something bad.

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Speaker 1: I just haven't been able to put my finger on

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Speaker 1: exactly what that bad thing is yet. Keep it here.

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Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today. So now DC is suing. There's

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Speaker 1: a lawsuit that challenges Trump's federal takeover of the DC police.

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Speaker 1: Even though they've been pushing, there have been crackdowns, they're

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Speaker 1: arresting people, they're getting the whole thing, the whole thing done,

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Speaker 1: or at least they're starting to. Let's see how it progresses.

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz Tony Katz today. Good to be with you

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Speaker 1: that the left is still opposed to this as nuts.

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Speaker 1: This is the District of Columbia Attorney General Brian Schwalb

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Speaker 1: saying in a lawsuit, Trump is going far beyond his

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Speaker 1: power under the law asking a judge to find that

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Speaker 1: control of the department remains in district's hand. In the

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Speaker 1: district's hands, he's wrong. And the idea that, hey, what

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Speaker 1: about home rule? What about it? Your entire budget, your

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Speaker 1: entire existence comes from Congress. So that's that you're not

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Speaker 1: a state. What rights do you think that you have?

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Speaker 1: The President is not outside of his scope or authority here.

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Speaker 1: But of course they're gonna judge shop and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: find something. I won't be surprised that this ends up

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Speaker 1: in the arms of a justice. But Justice Judge Moosburg,

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Speaker 1: you know Trump can't do this, and Trump can't support that,

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Speaker 1: and Trump can't do the other. Why can't you just

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Speaker 1: be happy that crime is being fought the way it

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Speaker 1: needs to be fought. There are times where I think

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Speaker 1: that the trust that the president is overstepping the same

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Speaker 1: loan of them. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 2: In