1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel do you believe these characters are weirdos? 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 2: So it's been a day. We're dealing with a lot 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: of serious stuff here. We got chimpanzees running loose, we 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: got like beautiful nearly seventy degree weather here in late November. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: But we've also got some breaking news. I'm Jason Hammer. 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 2: Guy Relford is in for Nigel today. John Herrick, the 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: news director here at ninety three WIBC, joins us in studio. 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 2: Literally right before we came on the air, John, we 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: received a statement from Senate pro Tim rod Bray, and 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: long story short, he says the votes are not there 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: for a redistrict vote. Therefore, there will not be a 12 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: special session called in December. 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: Take me through it well, basically, Hammer, I don't know 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: if you remember this, but all throughout the week, and 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: really over the last couple weeks, there's been I've never 16 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: seen something so hot button topic from one side of 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: the other. I mean, you've got one side where you've 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: got an Indiana based organization with ties to Trump's presidential 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: campaign launching a six figure advertising effort telling everybody redistricting 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: is necessary. But then on the other side you've got 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: people like Senator gene Lysing, who have been involved in 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: the state House for a long time. She joined five 23 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: other Senate Republicans publicly to say, no, we do not 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: need to reconfigure congressional maps. And I think that all 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: has led to what you saw today, which is basically, 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: we just do not have the votes. Governor Braun has 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: been saying, let's look at this, we need to look 28 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: at this seriously. There's obviously people who are very much 29 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: in favor of it, and there are people who are not. 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: And the people who are not it looks like they've 31 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: won the day. 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: Here, I'm going to read the statement from Senate President 33 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: pro Temp Rod Bray quote. Over the last several months, 34 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: Senate Republicans have given very serious and thoughtful considerations to 35 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: the concept of redrawing our state's congressional maps. Today, I'm 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: announcing there are not enough votes to move that idea forward, 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: and the Senate will not reconvene in December. So the 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: keyword there is the Senate, because Governor Brawn, I guess 39 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: could still call a special session, but if the Senate's 40 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: not going to show up, it's kind of a waste 41 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: of everybody's time. 42 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what he has been saying for a while. 43 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: He doesn't I don't necessarily blame him here. I don't 44 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: think he wants to look silly and push this if 45 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: he doesn't feel like he has enough support for it. 46 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: So when Senator jene Lysing came out this week and 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: said she was a huge no and our friends at 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: the Indiana Capitol Chronicle talked about this, I mean, she 49 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: just went on a big rant about how I'm not 50 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: going to vote for maps I've never seen. It's discouraging 51 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: that we were being asked to vote for stuff like this. 52 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: And the reason that's important is because she's been a 53 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: longtime member of the Senate, serving there since two thousand 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: and eight as well as from nineteen eighty eight to 55 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: ninety six. A retired nurse, she works as a travel 56 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: agent and a farmer, so she's got her tentacles and 57 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: a lot of things. A lot of people know who 58 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: she is. And when she said no to it and 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: five other Republicans jumped on board, you could see the 60 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: momentum going against redistricting. 61 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: Guy, I want to get your thoughts on this here 62 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: in just a moment, But first, where can we get 63 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: the latest on this, John, I know this kind of 64 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: just came down not that long ago. 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be up on our website soon at WIBC 66 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: dot com, along with the whole lot of other slew 67 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: of breaking stories we've had today. 68 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: Right, John Herrick, News Director WIBC, John, thank you, not 69 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: a problem. 70 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 3: Thanks, good, good, Good to Paul Man there by the 71 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: way there, John. 72 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: That's right, go tiger. 73 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: Look at this. 74 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: DePaul stuff in studio today. We got jackets, we got 75 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: alumni in here. We'll get to that here just a moment. 76 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: But your initial reaction to Rod Bray saying, yeah, we're 77 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: not going to do this little special session crap, Well, 78 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: my first. 79 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: Reaction is it's really kind of interesting from a constitutional 80 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: perspective because Article four, section nine of the Indiana Constitution 81 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: says that, you know, the Legislature shall convene, the General 82 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 3: Assembly shall convene at certain times, certain dates, et cetera, 83 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: et cetera. And then it goes on to say, if 84 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: in the opinion of the Governor, the public welfare shall 85 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: require it, he may, at any time, by proclamation call 86 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 3: a special session. So it's uniquely the authority and power 87 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: of the governor to call a special session It's just 88 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: kind of interesting to me that here the governor has 89 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: called a special a special session, he's issued that so 90 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: called proclamation, and Rod bay Bray is looking at him 91 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: and essentially saying no. Right. 92 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 2: So a couple of different things could take place here. 93 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: Number one, this is not good for Governor Braun. Now 94 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: he's scheduled to join us in studio next Tuesday a 95 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: little bit after five o'clock, so we will get his 96 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 2: perspective on what's going on here with that. But this 97 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: is a guy that was getting pressure from the movers 98 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: and shakers in DC. There's a lot of money we're 99 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: coming into Indy. Jd Vance visited multiple times. We'd heard 100 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: reports that Donald Trump had called in and spoke to 101 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: a number of people, and now it's not going to happen. 102 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: This is not good if your Governor Mike Brown. Now, 103 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,559 Speaker 2: from a pr perspective, here, what does this do for 104 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: Senate pro Tim Rod Bray. He's not up for election 105 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: for another three years, he's pretty locked in. But you know, 106 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: my thoughts on this guy, I've always thought he was 107 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: a little bit of a snake in the grass, a 108 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: little bit of a candy. You know, what is this 109 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: going to hurt him in any way. 110 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 3: Well, it puts responsibility squarely in his lap because listen, 111 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: it makes Governor Braun look like an ineffective governor in 112 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: the sense that he said, hey, I want to call 113 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 3: this to make this go forward. I want to call 114 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: this special session, and the legislature is basically thumbing their 115 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: nose at him. But it allows him to say that 116 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: the only reason we didn't do redistricting in Indiana is 117 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 3: not because me, is because of Rod Bray. And it 118 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: puts redistricting and the failure to move forward on redistricting 119 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 3: squarely in the lap of Rod Bray. And however you 120 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: feel about redistricting, you're gonna, I would think at this 121 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: point hold Rod Bray accountable for that. 122 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: And other states have been able to pull this off. 123 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but what's viewed as a very red Indiana, 124 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: even though there are pockets of very dark blue, they're 125 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: not able to pull it off. So from a national perspective, here, 126 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 2: don't be surprised if out of state money, like the 127 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: type of money that's coming in for Bo Bai. But 128 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 2: on the Republican side here in three years, out of 129 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 2: state money comes in to try to primary Rod Bray 130 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: out of his position. 131 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And it does allow Governor Brown to do 132 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: It's not dissimilar to property taxes, where he said, listen, 133 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: I endorsed a particular plan. We didn't have the votes 134 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: to get that done on the property tax bill that 135 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: I wanted to see Senate Bill one. That's not my fault. 136 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: Look to the General Assembly. It allows him to do 137 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 3: the same thing. Whether people buy that or not or 138 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: fall back and say, well, yeah, the General Assembly didn't 139 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: follow your directive, but that's just because you're not an 140 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: effective leader, you know, in the of the Republican Party 141 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 3: in Indiana. That's a that's a risk he has. But 142 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: it allows him to say, I called the special session, 143 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: so you can't blame me. You got to blame the 144 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: General Assembly generally, and you got to blame Rod Bray specifically. 145 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: But it looks like right now Rod Bray's got the 146 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: power almost more so than the governor does, and that 147 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: can't happen. Like, I don't know what you have to 148 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: do with your governor, Braun. If you've got to be 149 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: a little bit more bombastic, if you've got to get 150 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: up to the microphone and start, you know, lobbing some 151 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: grenades at people here. This isn't a good look for 152 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: Governor Braun and I'm hoping we can have this conversation 153 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: on Tuesday. But Rod Bray is also and you brought 154 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: it up, and I'm glad you did a big part 155 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: of why we got screwed on property tax. Yeah, Like 156 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: he was the one that never wanted that to begin with. 157 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: And I don't have to tell you guy, it was 158 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: Rob that was never really on board with constitutional carry 159 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: until allegedly some funding issues were threatened, and then he 160 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: changed his mind all of a sudden, Maybe a phone 161 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: call from the NRA came in and said it'd be 162 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: a shame if we took our money elsewhere. Maybe that happened, 163 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: maybe it didn't. But Rod Bray's been on the opposite 164 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: side of a lot of popular Republican arguments since he's 165 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: taken over. 166 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we fought that battle for a lot of 167 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: years on constitutional carry, and I really like to believe 168 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: it was grassroots pressure, including from my own two A project, Yes, 169 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: that got him turned around on that. That may be 170 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: wishful thinking, but I fully believe it. But yeah, sometimes 171 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 3: he's a little to get him where you want him 172 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: to be on conservative issues. It seems like there's a 173 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: whole lot more work than should be necessary, and this 174 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: is another example of that. 175 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: So this is the big story here in Indy. You 176 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: talk about a Friday news dump right oh, by the way, 177 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: on behalf of the Republicans in the Senate, we're not 178 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: gonna do that thing that Donald Trump and jd Vance want. 179 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: Have a good weekend, everybody enjoy the warm weather. That 180 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 2: is a Friday news dump right there.