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Speaker 1: We have back. It is another edition of Colts Corn

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Speaker 1: with myself Kevin Bowen in a snowy and cold Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: I guess what what do we Senior Bowl Week, Eddie?

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl Week, then Pro Bowl Week, then Super Bowl Week?

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Speaker 1: I think I guess Pro Bowl and the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: now is the same week, right, Yeah, and we do

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl like Thursday of Super Bowl week. So

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Speaker 1: so yeah, we will chat about all of that, you know, February.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into the evaluations, Eddie. Kind of on the horizon.

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Speaker 1: I still envision a Sauce Gardener related pod that trade.

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Speaker 1: I envision a Anthony Richardson related pod. I'd like to

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Speaker 1: get into the evaluation specifically with Chris Boward and Shane Steiken,

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Speaker 1: and we do that annually. What's been good, what's been bad,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And then, ma'am, if you look

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Speaker 1: at it, we're a month away from the combine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: crazy is that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It is pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: We saw that news last Friday. Chris call unbelievable job

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Speaker 1: with visit Indy and Pat McFee make an announcement if

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Speaker 1: he getting the Leadership award here in Indy for you

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Speaker 1: know what he does for our city. And they have

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Speaker 1: extended the combine through twenty twenty eight. No. Seven seven seven,

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Speaker 1: two year extension. From my understanding, Eddie, one of the

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Speaker 1: big goals now coming up with the combine here in

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Speaker 1: less than a month, because you know, again it's pretty

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Speaker 1: much been a one year deal now for the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. You know, they've been fighting off what

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Speaker 1: is it, Dallas, They've been fighting off, you know, fighting

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Speaker 1: with probably Vegas, Vegas, Yeah, Vegas for sure, I think

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Speaker 1: a little bit of la as well. But now the

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Speaker 1: focus that sounds like is they want the draft and

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Speaker 1: from what I understand, the three sites that they're going

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Speaker 1: to show the NFL is the NFL come here in

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Speaker 1: a month for the combine. What they want to show

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Speaker 1: the NFL, And again they haven't really done this yet.

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Speaker 1: Uh Military Park, which for those unfamiliar Indianapolis, it's just

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Speaker 1: north of downtown. Just you know, think of it as

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Speaker 1: a massive park area where you could easily put a

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Speaker 1: probably the most downtown located. They would go potentially to

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Speaker 1: the south part of Lucas Oil Stadium, which is the

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Speaker 1: less you know, whatever populated in buildings and commercial buildings

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Speaker 1: and things like that north of Lucas Oil's right in

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Speaker 1: the mix of downtown. And then they're also going to look

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Speaker 1: at White River State Park, which is there's an amphitheater

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Speaker 1: over there that hosts some concerts. I was also surprised

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Speaker 1: know any Applesmotor Speedway. I thought that might be involved.

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Speaker 1: Now that is not within walking distance of downtown, so

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Speaker 1: maybe that is having some influence on it. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I literally am a fan of

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Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of events and things that visit Indy does,

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Speaker 1: and I mean Indian Sports Corp. And I mean all

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Speaker 1: of it. I love so much of it. I don't

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Speaker 1: get the appeal of the draft. To me, it's Times

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Speaker 1: Square on New Year's Eve, But I get the people

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Speaker 1: show up for it. I just don't know why am

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Speaker 1: I missing something here?

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Speaker 2: It's a cheaper way for them to see, you know,

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Speaker 2: some of these players in person up close? Right?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, Eddie, but what you're only seeing

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Speaker 1: fifteen players, right? I mean that's pretty much where the

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Speaker 1: green rooms are nowadays. And then once you get to

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Speaker 1: the second round, there's no players left. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's still great crowds on Friday and Saturday of these drafts.

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Speaker 1: So it's amazing and it shows the end of hell.

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Speaker 1: It shows why I have a job, frankly, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that one I don't really understand. I would argue watching

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Speaker 1: the combine is more entertaining than watching the draft. Would

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Speaker 1: names get called? It's a good question, Like I I,

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Speaker 1: You at least you're watching them perform, so so yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, yes, yes. You posted this on one oh

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Speaker 2: seven five the fan dot Com Six off season questions

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Speaker 2: facing the twenty twenty six outlook. Number one has to

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Speaker 2: start with the quarterback pquisition and what does Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: By the way, I got sent a link the other

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Speaker 1: day that Daniel Jones is having football camps here in

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Speaker 2: One would assume, right right, WO would assume.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, this is kind of weird, Eddie, because the

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Speaker 1: And so that's what I think it's necessary for Jones

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Speaker 1: Riley Leonard getting all those things? But yeah, for me, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: the biggest question is we're talking December seventh torn Achilles.

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Speaker 1: September thirteenth is the first game. So you break that down,

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Speaker 1: that's what about nine months? You know, the Colts are

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Speaker 1: of the seasons are different for both those franchises, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that'd be boy. You imagine we started

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Speaker 2: But still, yeah, I'd have to do more research into

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Speaker 1: I think it's at least a month and it might

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Speaker 2: Number two is how well the Colts maneuver the upcoming

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Speaker 1: You know, this is one where Chris Ballard brought this

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Speaker 1: up just organically Eddie during a season inning presser and

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Speaker 1: apologies if you can hear me fight in the voice

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Speaker 1: a little bit here. Mother Nature's got gotten to me

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Speaker 1: a little bit here. But I appreciate you sticking with us.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen them without a first round pick

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Speaker 1: you think about it, who are your first round picks?

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Speaker 1: you know, Eddie, a lot of those times you mentioned

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen right was a Montes sweat with Washington.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know you you.

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Speaker 1: Traded back, so you still reap some of the benefits.

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Speaker 2: Well, Quentin Nelson, we forgot to name him.

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Speaker 1: I thought I said him. But may you know in

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Speaker 1: that Nelson draft, again you traded back and you obviously

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, the guy that the Jets came up the

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Speaker 1: So you know last year you obviously committed that first

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Speaker 1: Have you looked at mock drafts yet, Eddie?

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Speaker 2: I looked at Daniel Jeremiah's yesterday one point h.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, and Lamar Jackson all have a

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Speaker 1: I've seen a mocker to with Jeremiah Love going to

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Speaker 1: I mean, all these teams have quarterbacks that have been

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Speaker 1: all getting top fifteen picks, you know. So not that

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Speaker 1: all of them are going to hit, of course, but

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Speaker 1: it's just a reminder about that. So again, how you

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Speaker 1: coming back to starting defensive endopos a lot to find

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Speaker 2: How do you feel that, well, you need safety depth anyway?

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Speaker 1: Sure, if you're done with Michael Pittman Jr. How are

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Speaker 1: Where else can you be best player available? Probably?

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Speaker 1: Almost seems like you gotta be defense. Best player available

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Speaker 2: interesting to see how Chris Ballard and who's their cap guy,

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Speaker 2: a little creative.

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Speaker 1: And he's a Grickson guy or he was from that

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Speaker 2: Oh really? Number three on the Colts off season questions

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Speaker 1: Well, he did an interview in Buffalo, he did, We

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Speaker 1: they'll make a change of defensive line. Charlie Partridge back

435
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Speaker 1: to the college ranks there. So yeah, again there's no

436
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Speaker 1: commitment to staff changes. You know, last year at this

437
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Speaker 1: point there was hell Ana Rumo was probably already hired

438
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Speaker 1: by this point, so they had clearly made a commitments

439
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Speaker 1: to staff changes there. But that would be the last question.

440
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: And you know, really their offensive staff has been attacked

441
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Speaker 1: throughout and really, I mean they have had minimal staff changes.

442
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: Obviously Gus Bradley was notable, but you know, they haven't

443
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: really done a whole lot from a staff standpoint here.

444
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Speaker 1: So we'll kind of way to Ana Rumo and Jimbob Couter,

445
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Speaker 1: but outside of that, it doesn't doesn't look like much

446
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: more than that.

447
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Speaker 2: What do you think of this whole Philly situation.

448
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: Just with the OC and Jim Bob Couter potentially, well

449
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: just in general, like apparently like Charlie Weiss Junior has

450
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Speaker 1: been offered the job, he said no thanks.

451
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Speaker 2: I've had a couple other guys say no, things like

452
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Speaker 2: what do you think is going on there?

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah? That that's a good question because there's part of

454
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Speaker 1: me that thinks, boy, they don't need much And if

455
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Speaker 1: they make it to a super Bowl, is someone just

456
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: gonna you know, Shane stiking it or you know, go

457
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Speaker 1: go get a head coaching gig. Yeah, I mean, I

458
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: get there's some toxicity if that's a word, and I

459
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Speaker 1: don't know maybe yeah, maybe the hurts element to it,

460
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Speaker 1: or I don't know, the A. J. Brown element to it.

461
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Speaker 1: But boy, it seems to me it would still be

462
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Speaker 1: relatively attractive, you know. I get like Mike McDaniel wanting

463
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Speaker 1: to be with Justin Herbert. I can you know, kind

464
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Speaker 1: of understand that. I don't know, is there like a

465
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Speaker 1: Sirianni's on the offense side of the ball. I don't

466
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Speaker 1: necessarily love that aspect to it. I you know, maybe,

467
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Speaker 1: but I don't. Yeah, I don't know if that's if

468
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Speaker 1: that's true?

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, me either. Can you name the top five players

470
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Speaker 2: that on the defensive side and snaps this year?

471
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Speaker 1: Top five defensive players and snaps? Yep, in no certain order,

472
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Speaker 1: buying them cross Franklin.

473
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: That's one, two and three.

474
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Speaker 1: Kenny Moore, Jermaine Pratt pop into my head next.

475
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: Nope, Kenny Moore is seven. Jermaine Pratt is eight.

476
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: Really a lot too?

477
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: A lot? Two is five?

478
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: Not quitty?

479
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 2: He was six? Isn't Makai Blackman? It is? Really?

480
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: How many did he have? Eight hundred something?

481
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Speaker 2: Seven?

482
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: Eighty three. Boy, you talk about true question. You could

483
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Speaker 1: stump some people on.

484
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Speaker 2: Sixty seven percent of the snaps. Yeah, unbelievable. You're ready

485
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: for Twitter questions?

486
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: Ah?

487
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: Yes, We've got three of them, starting with Jacob States.

488
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: I honestly was shocked at how good Riley Leonard looked.

489
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Speaker 2: It leads to the question, is it smarter to save

490
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Speaker 2: money and run with him next season instead of paying

491
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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones a ton of money when we aren't even

492
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Speaker 2: sure if he's going to be back to his good

493
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: self again.

494
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Speaker 1: Thanks Leonard over Jones, don't call me another dame fan

495
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison, how about that? Did you have that on

496
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Speaker 1: your bingo car today? Your thoughts, I'm not prepared to answer.

497
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: Uh, I would say not yet. I'm not ready to go.

498
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Speaker 1: There's yeah, I'd probably try to keep Jones in the

499
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Speaker 1: two year range contractually, and then, you know, does that

500
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Speaker 1: allow you to maybe give Leonard a you know, further

501
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: chance down the road. Obviously? The unfortunately thing with Jones is,

502
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Speaker 1: given his injury situation, you might need Leonard again, you know,

503
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Speaker 1: for some sort of period of time. Again. I understand

504
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: where Jacob's coming from, but I think Jones I understand

505
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: why the Colts are going to try and bring Jones back,

506
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Speaker 1: especially without the first round pick aspect to it. You know,

507
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: Eddie was interesting. We did a we asked a question

508
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: our morning showed if you could spend a notable I'm

509
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: giving you the chance to spend one notable resource on offense.

510
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: So notable resource to me and is double digit million

511
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 1: dollar contract or second or third round pick. You can

512
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: spend that on one position on offense this offseason? What

513
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: position would that be?

514
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: And is this you said? It can be a contract,

515
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: It could be a draft pick or whatever.

516
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can be whatever, twelve million dollar contract annually.

517
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: It could be a second or third round pick. One position,

518
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: probably wide receiver. Yeah, you know, I think I think

519
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: James said wide out. I want to say I said

520
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: maybe offensive line. Mark Dyton said quarterback in round three.

521
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Speaker 2: I thought about that too, and I.

522
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Speaker 1: Think it's interesting. Certainly if the regime would have changed,

523
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: I would have definitely said a quarterback. But I do

524
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Speaker 1: say that has Riley Leonard grown to be the new

525
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: developmental quarterback? Has he earned that right? Like instead of

526
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: calling him a sixth rounder, do you now call him

527
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: like a fourth rounder?

528
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

529
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: You know, if that makes sense. I hope that makes sense.

530
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: I know it's a little vague, but like you're like, okay,

531
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: maybe you know when I dream at night.

532
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: It's Dak Prescott.

533
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't he a fourth rounder?

534
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: Yes?

535
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: But you know it could also be Jacob Eason.

536
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 2: You know.

537
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: It's like, so like, has he earned the right to

538
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: be viewed more than the developmental And again with Leonard

539
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: he needed And I did a poor job on this.

540
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: You know, at Notre Dame he didn't have a spring

541
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: practice dude injury. So you know this year he might

542
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 1: take every starting rep in the spring. I mean, how

543
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: valuable is that? You had no kidding to him? So

544
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: I again, Jacob, I get where you're coming from. I

545
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: just I would say no. I mean, you have the

546
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: money to spend, I don't. I think you give Jones

547
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: a chance on kind of the two year window and

548
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: you move on from there. But it is a very

549
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: interesting thought.

550
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you have to think about this too,

551
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: Like going into the year, we thought this would be

552
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 2: a pretty nice quarterback class, and then the college football

553
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: season happened, and oh boy, almost everybody regressed in some way,

554
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: shape or form.

555
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: And so do we get a second quarterback in round one.

556
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: I don't think so if we do, is it Trinidad Chamberlass.

557
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: Gosh, and I feel like that's that's a drama, right,

558
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: Isn't that still kind of like where are we at

559
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: with that?

560
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but like you're looking at obviously Mendoza,

561
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: Ty Simpson, Garrett Nussmyer, Carson Beck, Cake Club, Nick Dago, Pavia,

562
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: Trendiddad chamberliss Man, is Drew Aller in the draft? Pavia?

563
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: What five to nine?

564
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: Yes, Taylor Green, like Miller, Moss, Jalen Daniels, Sawyer Robertson, Like,

565
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: that's your list of quarterbacks this year?

566
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: Jeez man, you're you're naming a lot of quarterbacks here.

567
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: Right, all right?

568
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: What we'll get next?

569
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Speaker 2: Two questions, Isaac. I know we had key injuries, but

570
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: lou Nrumo's defense was horrible the last month. Is it

571
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: too soon to consider moving on?

572
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's largely a personnel man. Yeah,

573
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Speaker 1: I think it's personnel over scheme. Like I think, look

574
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you want to

575
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: compare the Gus Bradley scheme to the Loo and Rumo scheme,

576
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: My general like you know, again, when you walk into

577
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: an NFL job, I feel like if you are a GM,

578
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: if you are a whatever builder of the franchise, you

579
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: have to have kind of like eight to ten core philosophies.

580
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Speaker 1: And you know, I feel like I've dropped some of

581
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: those that I that I'm a believer in here. You know,

582
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: I believe that the best way to try and win

583
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: is to draft that quarterback and build that rookie contract.

584
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of taking a running back

585
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: on Day one or day two of the draft. By

586
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: the way, running back is kind of a sneaky position too.

587
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: Maybe we did debate that a little.

588
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't think you're there with Taylor, but you never

589
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: know when father Time's gonna hit you like this chilly

590
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: air here in Indy. You know, those are some of

591
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: the thought processes he As far as defense, I think

592
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: you need to be a scheme that is a little

593
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: bit more of a exotic, innovative scheme. And I get

594
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: that there's some risk reward of that and there might

595
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: be some cons to it. But I think with how

596
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: successful and how much the whistle favors offenses in today's NFL,

597
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: I think that's a really key ingredient. So not to

598
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: mention Isaac. I mean, you're talking about your third system

599
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: in three years.

600
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, are you be paying a third different coordinator?

601
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Speaker 2: Right right?

602
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean would you? I don't think you're moving on

603
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: from Lou? Are you?

604
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Speaker 2: I don't think so? I mean did you give him

605
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: enough to work with for his system?

606
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: Like?

607
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: Did you give him the right players that he wants

608
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: for his scheme?

609
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: Right? And again, some of the personal decisions were on Lou.

610
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: I get that, but like you know, I I still

611
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of it's a ballard. You know, we've

612
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: talked about before, what outside of Bobby Ocarricade's like, we

613
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: don't see any of these guys drafted defensively not work

614
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: out here and then work out other places. And you know,

615
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: Bobby obviously it reached a pretty good level here. But

616
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: still I would not be I think this is the

617
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: right approach systematically. Now it's you know again, can you

618
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: find some personnel?

619
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Speaker 2: Boy, do you go back in time? You wish that?

620
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: Uh that was more? Oh Kara Kay versus Shack right

621
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: versus Okara Kay versus Zaire.

622
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I'd probably hell, you could do a whole

623
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: project one day on linebackers passing the torch. You know

624
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: Anthony Walker, I mean in three straight drafts it was Walker, Leonard,

625
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: Bobby and Zaier was at that twenty eighteen draft too

626
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: with Shack and then obviously at Speed and what twenty

627
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: twenty one?

628
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Speed was nineteen.

629
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Speaker 1: Speed was also Bobby's draft man. They drafted a lot

630
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: of linebackers there. Hell, they drafted Matt Adams too. What

631
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: that name?

632
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: Uh huh?

633
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd have to talk to me in July

634
00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: about that project.

635
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: The final question is from Jake aside from Fernando Mendoza,

636
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: what three players from Indiana University would you draft to

637
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: fit the Colts draft needs? And while you gather yourself

638
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: over there, Kevin, can I go with Omar Cooper Junior

639
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: who just entered himself into the draft yesterday. De Angelo

640
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: Ponds as another, and then that third one is the

641
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: one that kind of stumped on.

642
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, Cooper and Ponds man. I obviously, Minosa deserves

643
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 1: all the hype that he gets and all that, but

644
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: Cooper and Ponds are so good, so good. I mean,

645
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: you listen to Brian Haynes, but if it's a coordinator

646
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: Eddie and he talked about. You know, Ponds just literally

647
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: took away half the field. Yeah, and like he missed

648
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: a game this year. I don't know if people recall this.

649
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: He missed the Iowa game they almost lost. Frankly, probably

650
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: should have lost if I was starting quarterback. Doesn't get

651
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: hurt late in that game, and you know, get and

652
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: you didn't have Ponds, And I get his size, but man,

653
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: his instincts are just through the roof. What about Aiden

654
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Speaker 1: Fisher round five or six?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good call. I don't know why I didn't

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Speaker 2: think about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like Cooper. Cooper

657
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Speaker 2: versus Sarat the two main wideouts. I think it is

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Speaker 2: an interesting debate. You know, Cooper, I've said, kind of

659
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: some baby Deebo Samuel.

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Speaker 1: Vibes to him. Yes, yeah, Sarat kind of the baby

661
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Speaker 1: Michael Pittman JUNR. So again, it's what you want, you know.

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Speaker 1: I remember a few off seasons ago, you and I

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Speaker 1: wide out or I think pass catcher was the big need.

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Speaker 1: And I kept on saying, I don't care how you

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Speaker 1: find it. The trait needs to.

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Speaker 2: Be after the catch, yep.

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Speaker 1: And again they come in all different shapes and sizes,

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Speaker 1: you know, after the catch, guys can be just tall

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Speaker 1: dudes that make plays after the catch and can be

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Speaker 1: speed guys. It can be more of the you know,

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Speaker 1: running back. You know you watch Cooper and you think

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Speaker 1: running back. I'm like, can you show me him as

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Speaker 1: a running BA at Lawrence North, because I feel like

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00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: he's got that in his background. Hell, just look at

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Speaker 1: the National Title game. I remember they got in a

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Speaker 1: first and twenty early in that game. Found Cooper on

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00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: a crosser and boom. He does the rest after the

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Speaker 1: catch here. So he's got a really good body control

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Speaker 1: and balance. Yeah, hell, I might take one of those

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Speaker 1: running backs on day three. I mean, I guess you

681
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: got DJ Giddens, but Kaylon Black's the senior Bowl guy,

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Speaker 1: is he not?

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Speaker 2: I'd have to look when I watched the IU running backs,

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Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily get an NFL caliber.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get, you know, I say day three, I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not saying anything too too rightly on that.

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Speaker 2: They just don't look like they just don't have like

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00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: the burst to me as like an NFL back does

689
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: run hard.

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Speaker 1: Boy Cooper, I mean, you go back to Penn State play.

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Speaker 2: In high school. He had eighteen carries one hundred and

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Speaker 2: seventy four yards and uh, no touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the Michigan highlight catch he made going

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00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: around the internet yesterday? Uh huh have you seen that?

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Speaker 2: Shout out Dan Brugler for bringing that one back? Who

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00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 2: brought back?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh my gosh. Yeah, we have Brugler on in November.

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Speaker 1: We actually played that clip on our show. We asked

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Speaker 1: him about Cooper and he said, he said, definitely is

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Speaker 1: cracked into top one hundred. And that was before Penn State,

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00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: before the playoff run. The Michigan play he literally catches

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00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: it on the sideline doing a backflip. Yeah, and the

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00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: first body part that lands is his head. Yeah, his

704
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: head equal two feet? Yeah, I don't know, don't we

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00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: always get in that debate of like, you know, wrist

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00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: or elbow equals two feet or you know something like that.

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00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, gosh, that is too too funny for me. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Cooper's great man, and I think he's probably a round

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Speaker 1: or two earlier than Sarat But yeah, Fisher, you know, Fisher,

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Speaker 1: you know is there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: People use though he's the white linebacker from IU Le's

713
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: Mike McFadden them up, you know, Michae McFadden's found a

714
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: nice role with the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, ironically next to bobbyocaracame right exactly.

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Speaker 1: They're glowing in their praise down there. Brian Haynes, you

717
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: know of what Fisher does from a green dot standpoint,

718
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Speaker 1: So get linebacker. I'm very curious to the Colts' is

719
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: very instinctual super and like you know, linebacker with the Colts.

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Speaker 1: Franklin's got an out. He's got some big capits coming up.

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00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: He's thirty, right or twenty nine, something like that. Jermaine

722
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: Prats a free agent. He's also similar age. The depth

723
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Speaker 1: there Isoh, so you know how they handle linebacker. Ballot

724
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: obviously's drafted extraordinarily well. But again, a lot to you know,

725
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: continuing to play or excuse me, Lou, continuing to play

726
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: guys that are you know, younger remains a definite question mark.

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Speaker 2: Uh, what do you got? Super Bowl wise? I know

728
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: it's early. We still have another We can do this

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Speaker 2: next week for predictions, or you can do it now

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Speaker 2: for your initial the next week we can do it again.

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Speaker 2: How are you gonna do this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say I'll probably cop that. I'm probably a

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Speaker 1: little bit more on New England than most.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I not that I'm rooting for them, I guess,

736
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Speaker 1: let me make that clear, but like I mean, they

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Speaker 1: played in freaking horrific weather in these playoffs.

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Speaker 2: It was back in a quarterback though.

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Speaker 1: Against some great defenses. Well, I'm talking there's more to

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Speaker 1: them offensively than they showed.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's not act like Drake Mayo was an

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Speaker 1: MVP candidate all season, you know so? And I think

744
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: Diggs has turned back the clock in some moments. The

745
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: guy that makes a big catches for him as MATC.

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Speaker 2: Collins yep, and.

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Speaker 1: Now, boy, he is a unique individual. He makes some

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Speaker 1: big catches. And I don't know, I just don't think

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Speaker 1: this is a hand it to Seattle and move on

750
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: with everything, you know, because what's the line? Is a

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00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: climb to five? Hell? Is it north of that?

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Speaker 2: You're more of a degenerate than I am. I hadn't

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00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: even looked at that line yet.

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Speaker 1: I think it opened at four and a half.

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Speaker 2: There's still four and a half on the book. I'm

756
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 2: looking at still.

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Speaker 1: Four and a half. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'll be interesting.

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Speaker 2: I wish they had a prop on there on over

759
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: under on when the kickoff will happened.

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Speaker 1: I saw a prop of will Seattle throw the ball

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Speaker 1: from the one yard line from the opponent's one yard line,

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00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: ah Lah, Russell Wilson, Malcolm Butler, and it was like

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Speaker 1: plus three twenty plus three fifty. I'm like, hell, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna throw it from the one yard line, right,

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Speaker 1: He's not just a given you run it from the one.

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Speaker 1: I also saw a I might sprinkle Rashid Shahid for

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00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP. Really, I mean if he makes one

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00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: special teams play, many special teams play and then a

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Speaker 1: touchdown catch or something. Yeah, I mean, hell, you had

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Speaker 1: the big catch early on in that game on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Those are'ch a great game, you know. The the Rams

772
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: game was such a great game. And we didn't even

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Speaker 1: have scoring in the fourth quarter, but that was such

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Speaker 1: a great game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just love I love watching the Stafford operate. And

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Speaker 1: I was really hoping that Nikoua got out of bounds

778
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: there to get one more shot at it. But that

779
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: was the hell of play that Witherspoon made on fourth,

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Speaker 1: fourth and goal there. All right, he's at a garrison.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin bow and I guess we'll give official picks

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Speaker 1: coming up next week. Everybody, have a great week, Stay warm,

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Speaker 1: stay safe, love you,