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Speaker 2: I got Hoby Wilson and Sophia Rough and Wilson are

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Speaker 1: I wasn't really single and lonely like I was single

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Speaker 2: So people dont understand the power in what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: I just aggressively lived my life as a homosexual female

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Speaker 5: God's establishing through you a legacy, a display of freedom,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's too fast.

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Speaker 2: So as it is, so people got understand the power

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Speaker 6: What is your your background? Where's your testimony?

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Speaker 1: And this teacher spent a lot of time affirming me. Sofiel,

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Speaker 1: And because us, the enemy don't play fair, is what

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Speaker 1: I always say. Those perversions and the rejection, the abandonment,

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Speaker 6: Why can you see that as mothering?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: My mom she did, she affirmed, she loved. But I

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Speaker 3: The rejection was already sown in the womb, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you've always been more on the tomboys side,

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Speaker 3: Third, I had a faithful cousin that did it relentlessly.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play football, basketball and I'm gonna fight you, you

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Speaker 2: So we hear that a lot in women's basketball. So

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Speaker 1: Now, I would say it's a different culture. You know,

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Speaker 3: You know, it was a stick but that was also

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, it was more so I can remember

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Speaker 1: I'm just even that my story around that I didn't

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Speaker 3: So it was more mental.

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Speaker 1: I tell people in this for all of y'all, everybody's

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Speaker 2: I lost my identity. Can you help me understand? What

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Speaker 3: Because I was born a woman and.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm talking.

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Speaker 2: Before you started experimenting with women. Where you start Now

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Speaker 2: You know, that's.

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Speaker 1: But I was casually just more tomboy. But when I

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Speaker 3: And then you know, people was talking to me about.

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Speaker 6: Were you raising church?

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Speaker 3: Missionary Baptist?

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Speaker 1: You know you just go you know you see everybody,

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Speaker 3: If God?

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Speaker 1: And my whole attitude was if this God didn't make

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Speaker 1: Because my argument was always this, I'm born this way

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Speaker 6: Jus, I gotta let this. I got to sell them.

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Speaker 6: He said, what.

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Speaker 3: Be born again?

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you, I've never really heard the

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Speaker 3: Prophet is always you know, they be weird. Be born again.

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Speaker 1: as a practical joke, and I play a lot. My

449
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 1: practical jokes led to my breakthroughs. Every prank, every prank

450
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: I got invited because I would get invited to church

451
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: because I was always people's project, like everybody wanted to

452
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: because you know, like if I could just help change her.

453
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: God had such a unique way the way he did it.

454
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: And I went to church and I heard the gospel

455
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: preach I would say so profoundly, and experienced the prophetic all.

456
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 3: In one encounter.

457
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: And the pastor he was preaching, and he was talking

458
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: about God can forgive you for your sins, and he

459
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: preached about the blood of Jesus, and I mean that

460
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: man told that service of apostle to him.

461
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: He just ran all through that church with it.

462
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: And a song came on Martha MUNIZI come let your

463
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 1: burdens down, the burdens you have carried, They singing that.

464
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 3: He Yeah, God was really loud.

465
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 6: Range right there.

466
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: I came and yeah, it was altar call. I went

467
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: to the altar and I said, Lord, whatever you do,

468
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: just don't embarrass me. Whatever you do, please, like I'll

469
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: fall for a maskuline.

470
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 6: You don't want to fall out, No, I.

471
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: Didn't want to fall out at all, like, no, I'm

472
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: too cool. And I'm laughing at them speaking in tongues.

473
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are these people doing?

474
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: And shouting?

475
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: And the more I'm walking down, the more they just

476
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: speaking in them tongues. And I get down there in

477
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: the apostle, he moves the microphone and he prophesied to

478
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: me my entire life of childhood, upbringing. I'm not even

479
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: from that town. So it's Mount Vernon, Illinois, you know,

480
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: which is like three and a half hours from Chicago.

481
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: He prophesied to me, prophesied who I would become even

482
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: now in the days that I'm in now he spoke it.

483
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 6: He says, you're gonna be preaching God's world.

484
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna be preaching God's gonna make you. You're gonna

485
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: be like a butterfly and all this, and I'm like,

486
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna be married. I don't know if he gave

487
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: me that part.

488
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie. I don't think. I don't think

489
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 3: I ain't get that one.

490
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 6: But so when you're hearing him saying, what are you thinking,

491
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 6: I'm just.

492
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: Really I think before I got to him talking about

493
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: the future version of me, I was so overwhelmed. This

494
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: is like real talk, like with the guy who was

495
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: revealing my secrets to a man.

496
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 3: Like I went on this pursuit.

497
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize like that was a prophetic gilt

498
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: or prophecy. I just was in us saying, God, who

499
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: are you to reveal all of my secrets to this man?

500
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 3: And how can I find you?

501
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: And that actually led me on my personal journey of

502
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 1: searching for God. And in that He just kind of

503
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: just walked me through my deliverance. I got discipled, I

504
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: got you know, I went through a process like from

505
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 1: two thousand and three to two thousand and eight, I

506
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: still was masculine presenting, but God transformed me inside out.

507
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: So it was actually like miraculous.

508
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: So you're talking about from what period of time you

509
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: go down to the altar? When did you stop quote

510
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: unquote being masculine presenting?

511
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: Two thousand and eight?

512
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 6: So how I mean, how long is that?

513
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: Like a five year period?

514
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 2: So five years? So you're still in church, you saved, sanctified,

515
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: uh shouting I'm a Christian, but then you were still

516
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: masculine presenting, and then what would you hear from the.

517
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 6: People in church?

518
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 3: You still gay. Ain't none changed?

519
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 6: You still gay?

520
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 3: That girl gay? Yeah, you still look like a dude.

521
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: Put on the skirt, put on makeup, put on this,

522
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I ain't putting on.

523
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: None of that.

524
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 6: Why do you want to put it on?

525
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: Because I didn't. I felt like I'm saved because the Bible. Listen,

526
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: all I do is I'm born again. I gave my

527
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: life to Jesus.

528
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: I can't. I didn't want to force it.

529
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 6: You don't want to be fake?

530
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: Yeah I wasn't.

531
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: How do I live out the closet that loan to

532
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: get saved? And y'all try to put me in the closet.

533
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: Then you try to make me be fake. I'm like,

534
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: oh hecky, no, Like I only no freedom.

535
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 2: So you would go to Churchill So as you you

536
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: still dating.

537
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Women from two thousand and three to that, I really

538
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: wasn't dating a bunch of women like.

539
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: One still stay gay? You know what?

540
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: But I did have to walk through the process. But

541
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: then in two thousand here's what happened. I didn't realize

542
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: how much at that point my sexuality was connected to

543
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: my identity. Now I had no idea. Now if I'm

544
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: still presenting it looking like a dude, I'm sending off

545
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: to people they don't know. So it was still luring

546
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: this attraction and the women was confused, right, and so

547
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's hard.

548
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 6: So what would you say to them? I ain't gat

549
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 6: no more.

550
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm in church. I'm like this, No, I'm in church.

551
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to live my life like I'm in church.

552
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: But I was still in that process, like going to

553
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: the club. I was letting my apostle know this.

554
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: My whole story is like this girl has been transparent.

555
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm on my way to the club. I be got

556
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: to mar with my little five dollar tide and offer it.

557
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 3: But I'm at the club.

558
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: But in two thousand and eight, though, seriously, when I

559
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: when God another practical joke, I'm like, let me do

560
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: this girl thing one time for my mom because she

561
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: hadn't seen me in a state of any femininity for years.

562
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: I'm in Malvern, I'm like, I'm gonna go to Chicago.

563
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: I'm a surpriser for Mother's Day. At that time. For

564
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: those five years span I did grow my hair out,

565
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: my hair like corn rows. I was like, I'm gonna

566
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: go to the shop. I'm gonna let the girl flat

567
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: out of my hair. I'ma I didn't know what broadsize.

568
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I said. Listen, I need help

569
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: finding something to wear. At that time, Capriz was popular

570
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: cute little brocafrieze. When it got this outfit from Mauris

571
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: put it in a duffel bag with the rest of

572
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: my masculine clothes right my boxes and this and that.

573
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: Bab I love that you're just gonna do this story.

574
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: He's a chappier.

575
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

576
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: I literally take my backpack. I go to surprise my mom.

577
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I stay at her friend's house and I get dressed,

578
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm in the room. I'm just putting

579
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: it and I'm saying to myself, I'm only doing this

580
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: one time, like I'm not. I don't have to change

581
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: how I look. This is me arguing with them myself.

582
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: And so even when the girl flotting out of my hair,

583
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: she shut her shop down. Shout out to Breshanta. She

584
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: shut us shop down, closed the windows because I'm like,

585
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: I don't want nobody seeing me looking embarrassed of what

586
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: I could possibly look like because I didn't know this.

587
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: Are you hearing me?

588
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: I look like a dude, so long and you about

589
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: to try to help me look like a girl.

590
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: I was scared, like what am I gonna look like?

591
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 6: Real?

592
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: And so she was like, just trust me.

593
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: So she did my hair, turn me away from the mirror,

594
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: wrap my hair up, put a.

595
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 3: Do rag on, and I get to Chicago.

596
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm in the room, I'm doing my hair, putting my

597
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: clothes on, and it just felt different, like I don't know,

598
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: it was just like it felt right, and I'm.

599
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: Trying to figure it out.

600
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: And I'm like and so my friend on the phone,

601
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: she's like, how you look, Sofia, how you look?

602
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know.

603
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm only doing this one time. I'm

604
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: just not about to be an everyday thing. This is

605
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: one scenario. The lady downstairs saying, Sophia, you ready. I

606
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: walk out the door. She has a huge, beautiful mirror

607
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: in the hallway. As I'm walking out the door, I'm looking,

608
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: I see myself in the mirror. I hit the flow,

609
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: I fall out to myself.

610
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 4: You need.

611
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: You know that's powerful. I couldn't believe what I saw.

612
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: I looked at me, looked at you.

613
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: You know what, she looks good, But you know what

614
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: that is hilarious. I was no, seriously I felt. I

615
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I was this me. I was,

616
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: and I'm weeping and I hear the voice of the

617
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 1: Lord say, well done. My good and faithful service is

618
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: look at my daughter Sophia, and hom on will please.

619
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: I was affirmed by God right privately.

620
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 6: The people always still call you Sophia even when you.

621
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: Were so you're trying. Nobody knows my street name. Come on,

622
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: I was.

623
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: Just asking because it, I mean, it's kind of awkward

624
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: to look at it like a hard little thud talking

625
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: about Sophia, like you don't get no street cred like that.

626
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: You really don't. But I was no matter how hard I.

627
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: Was, people can always say you're so sweet, like you're

628
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: shut up, I'm smoking a blood.

629
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be hard.

630
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 6: He's so sweet.

631
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: My voice always been. So I wasn't trying to change

632
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: my voice and stuff like you know, so I was.

633
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 6: My street name.

634
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: You're not getting in the end, and that not getting

635
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: the street name. I've never leaved it, like I don't know.

636
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: I might later, but.

637
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 6: There's some charges on that name.

638
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: Jesus following him right.

639
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: So, so when you saw yourself what did and you

640
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: heard God speak to you, Sophia, I am will please.

641
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 6: When you looked at that, then what happened?

642
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: I weeped. I just weeped.

643
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: I felt I was just overwhelmed, like I just couldn't believe.

644
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: That's why, no matter what, I don't care what nobody

645
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: ever say about me, because my own testimony is my truth.

646
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: This ain't for this, ain't for church. I didn't grow

647
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: up for this the church.

648
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: And so when I get in the car, come down

649
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: the stairs, the lady, she like, yo, mama gonna just

650
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: be so woo woo. Even though my mom loved her

651
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: baby girl, period, let's put that there.

652
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 6: She except what she always did. She always accept you for.

653
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: Yes, she did, because she kept saying the fruit of

654
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: her woman was blessed, she said.

655
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: She kept saying, you're a prophet. You you called you

656
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: are damned.

657
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 6: She always saw you in your future sense.

658
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like, I ain't gonna tell you. I'm like,

659
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: stop believing that. I don't want to. I really don't.

660
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: Want none of that. Like I'm sorry. And I go

661
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: on to church, and my nieces and nephews, I go

662
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: sit with them, my mom in the choir staying and

663
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: my nephew on the drums.

664
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: He looking and he pulled like that's on tea, Like

665
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: everybody just it's.

666
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: A big deal because it's like wow, So my mom

667
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: she's asking who is that lady with my with my

668
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: grandkids because.

669
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: It was such a chaotic scene. The lady said, that's

670
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: your daughter.

671
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: My mom weeps, she weeps, she the pastor stop the service.

672
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: I go to get my mom a hug, and like, yo,

673
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: like it just.

674
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: You can't even yeah, you can't explain, Like I can't

675
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: explain what that moment did for her, but most of all,

676
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: what it did for me, Like I don't know, like

677
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: it was just an embrace that just felt like whatever

678
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: I never got, I got on the one and her

679
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: love like validating me on a level that I didn't

680
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: know I needed. And she she just kept saying, look

681
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: at my baby. She was just in awe because imagine

682
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: like when when people do choose to live certain lifestyles

683
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: and they transform, that parent kind of.

684
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: Lose to grieve the loss of that daughter so to speak,

685
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: or that sonnig I never saw all the memories that

686
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: they had saying, oh, I can't wait for my daughter

687
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: to go to prime. I'm gonna get a prime dress.

688
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get this, and then daughter shows up in

689
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 2: succeed them. Yeah, it's like and then the whispers at

690
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: the church like oh, so and so and so fiel there.

691
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, God is working. We just praying

692
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 6: for her deliverance.

693
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: So now you gotta now your Their speech has to

694
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: change in order to say I still love my daughter,

695
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: I still love my son, but I recognize that the

696
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: lifestyle that they're living is adverse to what God has

697
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: called in their life. But I'm in juxtaposition between covering

698
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: my child and also not conforming to what this lifestyle is.

699
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 7: It's a it's an interesting conundrum.

700
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's how it was.

701
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: And uh, when we got home after service, I went

702
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: to go open my Duffel bag to put back on

703
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: my other clothes. I could not fit that stuff. It

704
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: was it was like I couldn't put it on. It

705
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: was like supernaturally, that was it. That was whatever I

706
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: was outwardly, that chapter had came to a supernatural close.

707
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: It was over.

708
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: I had never went back to forms of masculinity. And

709
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, in my process from eight to even all

710
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: the way now, like I was always mindful of like

711
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: because you have to learn people don't understand, like you

712
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: have to learn new mannerisms, like you have to learn femininity.

713
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: You got to learn how to us and how to love,

714
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 3: how to be.

715
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: Loved like like before it ever was. So it wasn't

716
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: like getting married to cover up or get married.

717
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: No.

718
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: I literally went through years of like being processed and

719
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: prepared to be a wife and to be who I

720
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: am today, like gentle, calm but still strong and you know,

721
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: secure but also know how to submit it, come under

722
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: and be led.

723
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: And it's just only God could do that.

724
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: And the reason why my process I think was inside

725
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: out first was so that I can know that I

726
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: can trust God every season.

727
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: So even in your elementary, middle school, high school, did

728
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: you ever have crushes on boys that you ever have

729
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: a boyfriend at all?

730
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a boyfriend and I had I liked

731
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: all of like some of the cute boys. They never

732
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: liked me. They was just and this the thing, They're like,

733
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: you are friend, come play basketball with us? Like I

734
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: was the cool, Like I was every I was cool

735
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: with every dude.

736
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: I'm homie. We dabbing and we cool.

737
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: And even in seventh grade and then high school, I

738
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: had a boyfriend and when I started getting kind of masculine,

739
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: he like, what's wrong? Like what's going on? He questioned it?

740
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, what happened to your bank?

741
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 6: I want a boyfriend. I want a girlfriend. We switching before.

742
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: About very eyes, Yeah he did.

743
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 6: He has a question with my homeboys, that's you.

744
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: But we stayed locked the end, and then I think

745
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: that at that point when I I think, the more

746
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: I lost me because I never I was never didn't

747
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: think men was attractive.

748
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's interesting.

749
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: That's why I wanted to go back to your attraction

750
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 2: to the to males.

751
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 6: It has always been there.

752
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he looked good. I knew how to acknowledge,

753
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: like I was like, he fine. But the more I

754
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: lost me, though, the more I couldn't see a man though,

755
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't see him no more like he looked good,

756
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: because it.

757
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: Didn't to me.

758
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: It just didn't feel right, see how, it's just dysfunctional

759
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: in my mind. So the harder I became, the more

760
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: my eyes was closed to be able to see the

761
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: the you know, the depth of a man.

762
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: But then when my eyes was open, it was like

763
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: you see again, whoa Okay, all right.

764
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 6: That's crazy, ain't it.

765
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: We don't talk about the spiritual ramifications that the Bible

766
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: says in the last days, good would be called evil

767
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: and evil be called good.

768
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 6: Physically, she said, physically, I couldn't even look.

769
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 2: I started out looking at men and saying, oh, yeah,

770
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: they are tractor looked nice.

771
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

772
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: And then the more she started losing herself, she started

773
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: coming into agreement to this spirit that's teaching her that, no,

774
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 2: you ain't even supposed to even like that. No more

775
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 2: so she's like, all right, well, I guess I'm supposed

776
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: to like this. And then as she's liking that, and

777
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: that became to be that's normalized even her appearance.

778
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 6: The way she thought was like, hey, this, this is this,

779
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 6: this is me.

780
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: She's taken on, uh, this spirit of masculinity. And then

781
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 2: when God began to start healing her from the inside out,

782
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: he started healing the way that she thought, the way

783
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: that she sees and now, oh men are attractive now

784
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: like that is that. I just never heard anybody break

785
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: it down like that, because most of the time they

786
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: will always say I just never been attracted to guys.

787
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, God made me like this.

788
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: I've always been attracted to women, even back when I

789
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: was in the third grade. My teacher from that moment,

790
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 2: I've always been attracted to women, and.

791
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: I've never been attracted not my story. And that's why

792
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: they come for me and say, well, you was never gay.

793
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I'm tired of y'all.

794
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: Y'all buddy, get me. You wasn't gay. You was just

795
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: you know, just yeah.

796
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: This one dude said, this is so funny telling about

797
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: That's why the commie said she just understood it herself.

798
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: It's no, I got delivered.

799
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 6: Brother, unstudied.

800
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: I don't it don't even bother me because it's like, man,

801
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: you know a person.

802
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: That's what I respect.

803
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: Everybody's journey, everybody's process, everybody's walk with God.

804
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 3: I didn't think to read.

805
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: Your comments about what people say. So people think that

806
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: you wasn't gay enough.

807
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 3: Just a couple of them. Yeah, I'm like, how what what? What?

808
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: What you want me to do?

809
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 7: Got and that said thing as a gay leader.

810
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 6: You wasn't get If you're really gay, you wouldn't be

811
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 6: looking like this right now.

812
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 3: It's like, you know what, forget y'all, and so let's.

813
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: Talk to you Tommy thank you for your patience because

814
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: I stull want to unpack this journey. So I know

815
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: what your journey was. So what's your backstory.

816
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 4: I've been in church all my life, good parents, raised, raised,

817
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: good middle class, went to a private school, never went

818
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 4: to a public school.

819
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 7: She she always give him his badge.

820
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 4: It's just she always gives me that that private school. Yeah,

821
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 4: I'm that private school dude. And I just I thank

822
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 4: God because that's who.

823
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 6: I just.

824
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 7: I'm very honored and privileged, you know, to have gone

825
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 7: to a school like that.

826
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 6: What you grow up in.

827
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: He was in Texas, but he was always always in Houston, Okay,

828
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: and you growing up in the in the town area.

829
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 3: I'm from the hood Chicago.

830
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then you.

831
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: All right, so this is interesting how God brought these

832
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: two worlds together. All right, And so here you go,

833
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: p K. You grew up in the hood.

834
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: Uh, continue, Yeah, it was just you know, I played

835
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 4: sports basketball. You know, I was a good kid. You know,

836
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 4: I didn't mean I wasn't bad. I mean because my dad, Yeah,

837
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: my dad was in the army, right. Yeah, but we

838
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 4: haven't played each other the journey. Yeah, we haven't played

839
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 4: each other. She played my.

840
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: Son and don't put yeah, ready for you?

841
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 7: Ready for telling me? She want the daddy? I told her?

842
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 7: Where do you think they got it from?

843
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: He said, you ain't ready for him? You heard that's Sophia.

844
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: So you ain't ready for him?

845
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm allow him.

846
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: I love him, shine, Let him shine.

847
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 6: So you played basketball in high school, yes, sir?

848
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: And then private school and then what you had a

849
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: really good upbringing?

850
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 6: What did your parents instilled in you?

851
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: Wait till marriage to have sex with They instilled it

852
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: within you marriage, marriage, marriage? And uh you got married

853
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: at what age three? Where your virguin when you got married?

854
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 6: Yes, sir.

855
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: So you waited to you waited for marriage, Sophia, the

856
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 2: first time you know that it is.

857
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 7: Jesus him.

858
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: That's cute, man.

859
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 6: Proud, that's good. Let me tell you something I am.

860
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: I interview two three people today and the other guy,

861
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: Jimmy Rawlins, was a virtue when he got married.

862
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 7: Wow.

863
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: And so I love this because that's very rare, and

864
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: that Sophia said, oh that's cute, that's powerful, that's actually powerful,

865
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: and that you had a family that instilled that in you,

866
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: because like I shared with them, With most men, we

867
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: shared the opposite it's saying, hey, listen, go smash as

868
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 2: many women as possible. And you were taught right to say,

869
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: honor your body, that your parents valued marriage and said

870
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: get married and save yourself a marriage. I never had

871
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: that conversation my mom and dad, and so I honored that.

872
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 6: And so you got married.

873
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: And was it one of those marriages where it was

874
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: it's better to married than to burn with less type

875
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: of things in the church. How to meet your ex wife?

876
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 7: I met through school through a friend.

877
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 4: Actually, her friend likeded me, but I didn't want to

878
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 4: get to the friend because she was promiscuous and I

879
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: would try and do the thing, and she said, you'd

880
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 4: be greatful my friend. So we talked and hit it

881
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 4: off and got married, had three children, and got divorced

882
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 4: at twenty one. At that twenty one, twenty one years.

883
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 2: Oh, twenty one years. I No, that was a quick marriage.

884
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: I had three kids. Yeah, man, that was a quick

885
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: was added. We got three kids about twenty one and

886
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: got divorced.

887
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: Lord, that's hilarious.

888
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: So y'all married for twenty one years. And when I

889
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: talk to people about their past marriage, I don't even

890
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: ask them to uncover stuff that's protected under the Covenant.

891
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: My question always asks is this, what did you learn?

892
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: What did you learn about yourself coming through that marriage.

893
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 4: I learned that I'm an overcomer and that you can't

894
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: I can't dwell on the failure and how it made

895
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: you feel and what you what you didn't do. Yeah,

896
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 4: and because you'll get well, you didn't do this, you

897
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 4: didn't do it, but all the things that you did right,

898
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 4: that means you're still a good person. Just because I

899
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 4: didn't do a couple of things wrong, then I got

900
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 4: to be defeated.

901
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 6: No, I'm not.

902
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 4: I'm still a good man, and that's why I was

903
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 4: able to bounce back, you know. But I'm gonna tell

904
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: this as well that as going through a divorce, I

905
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 4: sought help. We can pray that's good, but I had

906
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: to seek a therapist.

907
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 6: Yes, that's good.

908
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 4: I went to therapy to got my mind right because

909
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 4: I wanted to hurt some folks and you know, to

910
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 4: protect myself.

911
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm feeling the spirit around that you done been

912
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: through some stuff in your marriage.

913
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I'm hearing. I'm here. Yeah, because it

914
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 7: was it was yeah, not this one now.

915
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: Now.

916
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 4: It was tough because in twenty one, I went through

917
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: COVID and pneumonia, and at that same time, you know,

918
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 4: I get a call and saying that I don't want

919
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 4: to do this no more. And it was tough, like

920
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 4: I'm fighting for my life. I'm not gonna try to

921
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 4: fight for this. I know who I am.

922
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: You.

923
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 4: I told my kids that this is the lowest you'll

924
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: ever see your father.

925
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 7: That's good, the lowest. And I thank God for bounce back.

926
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 4: And you know, just to be able to marry, to

927
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 4: be married again is a blessing.

928
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know.

929
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 4: And at the time, I didn't want to do that again,

930
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 4: but I said, you try to date and do all this,

931
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 4: and it's just like, nah, man, I got time for this. This,

932
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 4: this is for the birds. This ain't for me. I'm

933
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 4: forty six years old trying to run the streets. I'm

934
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 4: too old. I can't. I'm trying to get back on

935
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 4: my feet. I literally started over at forty six. I'm

936
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 4: working two jobs and then trying to date. Nah, I

937
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 4: ain't got time for this. No, we're not doing this.

938
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: So when you meet her, y'all communicate, y'all going to

939
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: date two weeks. I have to have phone conversation two

940
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: weeks later, y'all go on your first date and then

941
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 2: you say, I love you. Sure did, And that didn't

942
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: scare you, you said.

943
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 4: Because I knew right then, because I knew. I talk

944
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 4: about this in my book. I said, God know what

945
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: I needed, and you know what I wanted was wrapped

946
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 4: up in Sophia. And when we was talking on the phone,

947
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,959
Speaker 4: she was what I needed and wanted I talk about

948
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: she was my missing peace because when we started talking

949
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 4: on the phone, you know, a guy at forty six

950
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: years old starting over, you give that resume. I told

951
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: her she would have pop my balloon back in the day. Yeah, related,

952
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 4: because you're not talking what a woman would want to hear.

953
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 4: But when I'm telling my story, she's affirming me, even

954
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: in my lowest part of my life.

955
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: Wow, So explain that why you feel I should have

956
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: popped your balloon?

957
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 4: Divorce, three kids, starting all over?

958
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 7: Who wants a guy like that?

959
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 2: But you think about that, Sofia, because you said you

960
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: don't want a man that was married right right.

961
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 3: And didn't want one starting all over because I was

962
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: getting started.

963
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: You know, said were both at the same pot, the

964
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: great the starting line that actually started out. It is

965
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: interesting this is interesting because I love to hear couples

966
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: talk about what they didn't want and then you realize

967
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: that what they really needed was each other. For sure,

968
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: Sophia doesn't been in the streets male presenting. You know

969
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: what nerve to say, I want a man they ain't

970
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: been married, because I'm gonna keep it one thousands. So

971
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: so here, Tommy, save thisself a marriage, got married, did

972
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: things the right way.

973
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 6: She over talking about you ain't good enough for me.

974
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: That is terrible because we do be having all these listens.

975
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: We've been just like Reglars. But by the time hold on, let.

976
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 6: Me go, get on Tommy.

977
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: And then Tommy said the other girl that he wanted

978
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 2: you too promiscuous, marry you.

979
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 6: You sit there say that.

980
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, geez, I'd be like God, I thank.

981
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: You, wake up the shouting with this man like God, because.

982
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 2: That's how God is. God can sit back and say

983
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: you don't know what you need? You know, God look

984
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: at you and be like, so how that work out

985
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 2: for you? Because you can go You did it. You

986
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: did it the way that it was quote unquote supposed

987
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: to be done. You chose who you were quote unquote

988
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: supposed to chooser the best choice.

989
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 6: How that work out for you.

990
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 2: Then you choose somebody that's totally surrendered, submitted to God.

991
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: Somebody that's walking in the full authority that God has

992
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: placed on them. Somebody has a story to tell to say,

993
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: that's cute that you were raised like that. I'm from

994
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: the hood. I was raised like this. I didn't have

995
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: all this. These are my experiences. But what she brings

996
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: to the table, what she brings it to the marriage

997
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: is a level of grace, also a level of anointing that.

998
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 6: Your ex wife may have not carried.

999
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: She carries something because she's been through the fire, and

1000
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: she will cherish this marriage even greater because she knows

1001
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: what God has done for her in her life. She

1002
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: never even saw this take place in her life, so

1003
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: that means that she didn't even see it. So now

1004
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: she knows it's totally she's walking in the v of God.

1005
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: So she says, this is God's vision for my life.

1006
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: So I show can't just sit back and think I

1007
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: know better than him. What I thought best for myself

1008
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: was to choose the lifestyle that I chose. I couldn't

1009
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: even see this. The prophet couldn't even see this. The

1010
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: prophet spoke over my life, but didn't see this. This

1011
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: is I'm in my God place, this is my blessed place,

1012
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: and so she'll be more surrendered and submitted to it.

1013
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: Where she talks about submission, she's more surrendered and submitted

1014
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: to it because you first had to submit to God.

1015
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: She submitted to God and then said, okay, God, you

1016
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: told me what submission. You showed me what submission looks

1017
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 2: like before you even bless me to meet this man.

1018
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 6: I had to have a strong relationship with you.

1019
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 2: I had to have a one on one relationship with

1020
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: you where you begin to show me, you begin to

1021
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 2: change me. You begin to start speaking to my heart,

1022
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: speaking to my mind, showing me how to show up from.

1023
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 6: A feminine perspective. You did that guy.

1024
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: So now when you bless me with this man in

1025
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: my life, I'm an honored because I know that's.

1026
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 6: Your gift to me.

1027
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 7: You neled it, Yes, sir, because I see it.

1028
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: That's that's God, because.

1029
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 6: I see it.

1030
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: Because we make up these ideals in our mind thinking

1031
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: we can choose what's best. Yep, if you could, you

1032
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't need God. I remember telling God that my single season.

1033
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: God changed my prescription because what I think I desire

1034
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: and what I think what I want is not working out.

1035
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: It's not working. I've been divorced, I was married two

1036
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: weeks shot ten years. I chose what I thought was

1037
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: best for me. It didn't work out. So I said, God,

1038
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm tired of choosing. I need you to choose and

1039
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: make it plain. Wow, make it where I know it's

1040
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: you and only you. Make it where I know that

1041
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: you had to navigate these hearts to converge in these

1042
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 2: moments together in order for us to see each other.

1043
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: Because it was nobody but God that could make this happen.

1044
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: Nobody but God can take you from Chicago, you from Houston,

1045
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 2: Texas and allowing encounter to take place in one season

1046
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 2: of your life that you revisit another season. That's nobody

1047
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 2: but God. You ain't smart enough to make that happen.

1048
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: So you can't network yourself into that. You can't make

1049
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 2: him go through divorce at the precise time he had

1050
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 2: to go through a divorce in order to meet you

1051
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 2: in another season. Man, leave me alone. You can't make

1052
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 2: it happen. So let me get back to the interviewing.

1053
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: Y'all stop and shout glory to God, don't play with it.

1054
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 7: That's good because you couldn't make that happen.

1055
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: That's good.

1056
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 6: And so when y'all met.

1057
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: Each other two weeks later, then how did this marriage

1058
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: come to come to pass?

1059
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: Well, when I saw when when he was at his loan, right,

1060
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: I knew of him.

1061
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 3: So I also knew that he came from a very you.

1062
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: Know, a really good background, like in his previous relationship, right,

1063
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: And so I saw a man that was working two jobs.

1064
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: He was working around the clock. So I just saw

1065
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: a hard worker. And I also admired his walk with God,

1066
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: like he was getting up going to church and you know,

1067
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: when I was traveling, he was on the phone making

1068
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: sure I made it and you know, just doing things.

1069
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, this is a good dude.

1070
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna be honest. Like when he say

1071
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: like he was at a low place, God didn't let

1072
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: me see that. I just I saw a very hard

1073
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: work and successful man. And so when I was affirming him,

1074
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: it was out of truth because that's what I saw.

1075
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 3: I saw him fight to get back up.

1076
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: And then I also saw the integrity of he never

1077
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: ever bashed his previous and if you could be in

1078
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: twenty one and a half years of a marriage, and

1079
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: I don't know anything that shows that you have you're healed,

1080
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: and you have integrity.

1081
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 3: So I felt very safe with him.

1082
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: And then the fact that he served for twenty one

1083
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: and a half years in the local church, a man

1084
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: who serves, and I'm like, man.

1085
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 3: This is just this is awesome.

1086
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: So I saw who I'll see every like this is

1087
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: a very powerful.

1088
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 3: Wise good man.

1089
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: And so I was just blessed when he ended up

1090
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: saying he loved me, and I said, let's we might

1091
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 1: as well go together.

1092
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 3: Uh, And I knew that it also was God confirmation.

1093
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: It was like we just hit it off and then

1094
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: you proposed, like at my conference later.

1095
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: Three months later, he went to a conference in front

1096
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: of everybody.

1097
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah.

1098
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 4: And I had to get all that stuff taken care

1099
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 4: of behind the scenes without her knowing, going through a family,

1100
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 4: going through apostle. It was a nerve wack and getting

1101
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 4: the ring and all that, it was just but God

1102
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 4: worked it all out. The day that I got her ring,

1103
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 4: her favorite song started playing in the in the jury

1104
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 4: shot I love that and it was just I said, God,

1105
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 4: you you, yeah, you here you thank you. I'm literally

1106
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 4: As soon as the lady came back, she said, you've

1107
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 4: been approved because I mean, like I said, I'm trying

1108
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 4: to get back.

1109
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 3: On my feet, trying to get a ring.

1110
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, it got a.

1111
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 4: Nice one, you know. And she came back, she said, sir,

1112
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 4: you've been approved. And the first one I saw, I

1113
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: was like, that's the one. And the song started playing.

1114
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 4: I was like, thank you Lord. I called my best friend.

1115
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 4: I said, man, I'm about to do it. He said,

1116
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 4: what are you about to do?

1117
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: What?

1118
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 7: He said, boy? You just He said, man, you're serious,

1119
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 7: aren't you.

1120
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,479
Speaker 4: I said yeah. He said, man, you know I'm down.

1121
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 4: I'm with you.

1122
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: With you that was the.

1123
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: Best proposal situation. I mean, to do it on a

1124
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: public platform. To me, I just saw God and then

1125
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 1: my spiritual father was there, my natural father was there,

1126
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, and it was just it was happening and

1127
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm seeing my life and say, God like me, like

1128
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: and to give me what I mean, I said all

1129
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: the time, like you gave me such a good like

1130
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: the way he loved me. And know I had a

1131
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: capacity to you know, that take a good strong man

1132
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: to even be able to carry somebody's story like that,

1133
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, and not make me feel weird off. And

1134
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: it's just I was blown away that day that he proposed.

1135
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: And even after the proposal, we talked, so.

1136
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe next year we're gonna get married, you know,

1137
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: a year later, and just enjoying it. We were talking

1138
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: and I think I said about when what we were

1139
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: talking about.

1140
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: The day, and he was like, what like December.

1141
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 7: I'm like, I told.

1142
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, wow, okay, whoa. And we

1143
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: decided on January seventh, as been some significant numbers of

1144
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: the new beginning of the year and all of that.

1145
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: And we had a beautiful, fairy tale wedding. It was

1146
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: on a state tom ball. It was just immaculate. It

1147
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,959
Speaker 1: was just it was a fairy tale. And but only

1148
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: God can give me what he gave me to be

1149
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: a bride, a beautiful bride and have my husband and all.

1150
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 6: It was just it was told.

1151
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: My mom passed in twenty one. Oh wow, but my

1152
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: dad was there. But I know my mom, she always

1153
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: saw this. She would always say this, and I didn't

1154
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: think I could have a husband.

1155
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 3: That reminded me of my granddaddy.

1156
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: Like my granddaddy was the best man I ever known,

1157
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: and I tell him all the time, your nature, so

1158
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: I know, like my mom her prayers and what she

1159
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: put in the earth and decreed it was established, it

1160
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: had to come to pass.

1161
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 6: So what was your relationship with your life with your dad?

1162
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: We liked best friends like my dad.

1163
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: You know, he went through his own things in life

1164
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: in and out of prison. You know, had some substance use.

1165
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: He was consistent with when he was around. He was around,

1166
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 1: and so even now, like we talk all the time,

1167
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: were very close, got a very very close relationship. And

1168
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: for him to come and be a part of the

1169
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: wedding and walk me down the aisle, you can't make

1170
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: this stuff up.

1171
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: So what did he think when he saw you in

1172
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 2: one season masculine presenting and now you're feminine?

1173
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: So I don't think he really understood as much as

1174
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: my mom like my dad just you.

1175
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: Know, it's like did he even know?

1176
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't even know if my dad like put

1177
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: like I don't like he wasn't like that, like to

1178
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: even pay attention.

1179
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 3: I never thought of that. Wow, I gotta ask him, like.

1180
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 6: You know, he just didn't say no.

1181
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: He just seen me always seen me as like Sophia,

1182
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: like never it was never nothing, No, that's I gotta ponder.

1183
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 6: On you said that. Did you know I used to

1184
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 6: missed up?

1185
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: What's the stud construcchie?

1186
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: What's that?

1187
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 6: Jesus? Oh God?

1188
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: And so let me ask you this, Tommy, how did

1189
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: you accept her testimony?

1190
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 4: It was easy because that's her past and that's what

1191
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 4: people get it misconstrued and just like, oh, you gotta

1192
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 4: remember she went through that. Okay, we all done went

1193
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 4: through something. We all have a past. Why should I

1194
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 4: have to bring that up? Why should I have to

1195
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 4: look at her differently because she lived that lifestyle. We

1196
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 4: got to stop doing that as people, because we do

1197
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 4: that too much. We want to focus on what they

1198
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 4: did in the past. But look at her now, like

1199
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 4: Chris Brown's he said, look at me now.

1200
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Mike Jones back then, y'all on me.

1201
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 6: That was in the that was in the Bible.

1202
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: I think that was an Exodus three up, the message

1203
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: the hood version. Let me ask you this real quick.

1204
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 2: So were you able to see yourself as redeemed as

1205
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 2: easily as he was able to?

1206
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 3: Like?

1207
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: Were you nervous to be like, Okay, I got to

1208
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: tell him about my past? Are you just like yeah?

1209
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: No? And the best thing was I was already on

1210
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: social media. I've always been very transparent and sharing my

1211
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: story and and talking about it and pretty candid about it.

1212
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: So he had already went through like he went through

1213
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: the old tiktoks. I'm talking about that man was at

1214
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: the bottom like and stuff. When I'm like, my.

1215
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: God, everything, see what I'm getting myself into? He said,

1216
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: I saw all your videos.

1217
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 7: He saw it all.

1218
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: You ain't surprised about nothing. Your friend didn't get your

1219
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: hard time.

1220
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 7: They actually and that's the crazy thing.

1221
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 4: That is the part that everybody that's in my circle,

1222
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 4: in a circle, even from my even from my exis family,

1223
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 4: they said, Tommy, you deserve what you're getting right now.

1224
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 4: It was crazy because the day that let's come on now, sorry,

1225
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 4: don't give me so we're talking. You know, we're before

1226
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 4: we know social medialy. You make it known, right, uh

1227
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 4: My Axes aunt called me and she said, who you dating?

1228
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 6: I'm saying.

1229
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 4: It was funny because we had just talked about this,

1230
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 4: and I said, well, you know, let me get so

1231
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 4: I called her and I talked to you know, hey,

1232
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 4: aunt evil. She was asking you know about this and that,

1233
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 4: and she said, you can tell that I said, I mean,

1234
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 4: I don't know how these phones work before I can

1235
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 4: even get it. Since she's screaming calling me, I'm so

1236
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 4: happy for you. You deserve it. That is perfect. She

1237
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 4: is perfect. Y'all are perk for each other. She said, Tommy,

1238
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 4: you're so deserving of this. And it was just like

1239
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 4: my best.

1240
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 6: Your ex wife's aunt.

1241
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, she but here is went right. So, and this

1242
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 7: is another thing.

1243
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 4: I knew that she really loved me and she loved

1244
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 4: the situation was dating. And she said, since that's happening,

1245
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 4: you need to go see her. And I said I

1246
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 4: don't have I said, I don't have no money. She said,

1247
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 4: don't worry about that. She says, all me. She said,

1248
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 4: pay me when you get a chance. She brought your

1249
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 4: plane ticket. Yes, that's what I'm talking about.

1250
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, Lord Jesus, because he needed to be catching flights

1251
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 8: and feelings.

1252
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: If you call them feeling and say I love you, you're

1253
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: probably gonna be my wife like Tody recent baby boy,

1254
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: I love you, you probably gonna be my wife.

1255
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 6: So so you wasn't wasting no time, you.

1256
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 7: Know, I'm saying.

1257
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 4: And that's another thing I didn't want her to. You know, Listen,

1258
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,479
Speaker 4: I'm me and I preference this. I'm forty nine years old,

1259
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 4: I'm a grown man. Yeah, we're not doing this lead

1260
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 4: no five year relationships.

1261
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 7: I don't hey to each his own. I had to

1262
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 7: let her know that I'm serious.

1263
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 4: I'm not just out here all willy nilly just trying

1264
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 4: to say, oh you my fiance and then string you

1265
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 4: along for three years. Now we're gonna, we're gonna, we're

1266
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 4: gonna get this done, and we're gonna put a ring

1267
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 4: on it, and we're gonna set a date and we

1268
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 4: got to do it right.

1269
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: What have you heard, Sophia from maybe women that you've

1270
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: dealt with in the past when you posted on social

1271
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 2: media I'm married Now, what kind of feedback were you

1272
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 2: getting from them? Oh?

1273
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 1: So many people was excited, like the support because people

1274
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: knew my story and just you know, saw my life

1275
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: and they were excited for me.

1276
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 3: And then.

1277
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: And then I thought, wow, you know the excitement. Nobody

1278
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: prepares me for the transitions.

1279
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know, one of the things

1280
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 5: I think that was very important for me, Like because

1281
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 5: when I was single and you know, traveling preaching and

1282
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 5: having some amazing opportunities or being seen as a leader,

1283
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 5: it was just everybody loved that.

1284
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: Version of Sophia. You know, I was available. I'm a

1285
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: girls girl. You hit me up, I got you, you know.

1286
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: But then when I got married, I was very intentional,

1287
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,479
Speaker 1: especially the first year, to make sure that he knew

1288
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: he was first like and that meant even when relationships

1289
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: with traveling, I made sure like he was a part

1290
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: of like, hey, you know how you feel about this,

1291
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: and including him because it was important for him to

1292
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: know that even though I am the strong leader, I

1293
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: want to be submitted.

1294
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 3: Can you lead? And so I've done that.

1295
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: In that it was a lot of transitions and a

1296
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: lot of challenges, and then there was you know, you

1297
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: post your man and it's your man. Listen, I'm happy

1298
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: and I'm excited, and hey, oh man, they're getting mad,

1299
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: Like it started getting real weird for a minute.

1300
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 3: You know, it's starting to bring a balance in.

1301
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: But what I tell people is I was posting when

1302
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: I was at my mom house, on the floor up

1303
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: bed ugly green carpet in the hood. So if you

1304
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: really follow me, go watch some oh you faithful videos.

1305
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: This ain't like I'm showing out now. I was doing

1306
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: this when I was saying going long and lonely for

1307
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: a minute. Hey, he's a part of my life.

1308
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 6: Why the people I don't understand. Why are people like that? Though?

1309
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: So you all got something to say, it's like, so

1310
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 2: you ain't supposed to post, and if you didn't post,

1311
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: it be like, well that that relationship ain't real.

1312
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, what's going on? She won't post them. I guess

1313
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 6: they're on the outs. I guess they ain't gonna make it.

1314
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 6: You like, well, I'm trying to keep this private.

1315
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 7: What she keeping private?

1316
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 6: What she hiding for?

1317
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 2: What they They always speculate so much because people that

1318
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 2: are that want to breed toxicity. That always you can

1319
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Speaker 2: never do too much for the wrong people. It's like

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Speaker 2: they'll just they'll just keep trying to find fault in

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Speaker 2: whatever you try to do. But then you've been private.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about that about her posting you?

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Speaker 4: I don't mind. I'm happy, you know, and I'm happy

1324
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Speaker 4: with her. And if you don't have a problem with it.

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01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 4: If you do have problem, that's fine. What I have today.

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Speaker 4: What I say today is your opinion of me, doesn't

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Speaker 4: pay my bills sucks.

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Speaker 7: Whatever you do however you think.

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Speaker 4: That's fine. But we we're happy. We're doing our thing.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna post. I know she does it. I'm getting

1331
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 4: into it and I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, this is fun.

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01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: I like that fun conversation. I like the trip out.

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Speaker 2: I don't want nothing all heavywhere we're talking about this

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01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: heavy subject matter and everybody feels sad and all that.

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Speaker 6: No, this is this is a happy thing.

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Speaker 2: It's delivers Uh do you gonna get people like you said?

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Speaker 2: This is an episode I've never done before, and so

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01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what people are gonna say. You know,

1340
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: people be like like you said, saying that you wasn't

1341
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 2: truly gay, what they say about the stud.

1342
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Speaker 3: Thing that was so funny.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that guy thought I was gonna love

1344
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: that comment the way I did. He thought he hit

1345
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: with that one, and I'm like, boy, that's crazy.

1346
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 7: That's hilarious.

1347
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: Shared as a story myself, Raise the Lord. That is

1348
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 2: funny though, But like those conversations. I like conversations that

1349
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: spark conversation and dialogue. Has your transformation deliverance sparked deliverance

1350
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 2: in people that used to deal.

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Speaker 6: With in the past.

1352
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: Oh man, it is somonies. Yeah, it's so beautiful. Like

1353
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: I have mentees who I've helped disciple through the process

1354
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: in such a way that I think that I've had

1355
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: the grace to tell them, like if God began to

1356
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: go work in you, He's gonna complete it. To help

1357
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: take some of that false pressure off of people, because

1358
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: when you give your life to the Lord and it's

1359
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: dealing with you know, coming out of homosexuality, especially if

1360
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: your identity, you know, was somehow compromised.

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Speaker 3: I just really.

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Speaker 1: Try to be a source to tell them, you know,

1363
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: trust God leading by example, giving them books. I have books,

1364
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: I have courses and just really help people. And then

1365
01:08:55,840 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm actually helping a young lady right now who's through

1366
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: a process and you know, you got questions, you know.

1367
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 3: Hit me up.

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01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: I'll help you navigate through those challenging spaces because I

1369
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: didn't have that, you know. And so I just make

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: myself available without judgment. I don't judge anybody. I don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, speak down. I don't condemn people to hell.

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01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: I don't make people feel bad.

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01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 3: I really have the heart of God.

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: To say, trust God, you give your life to Jesus,

1375
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: trust that the help are gonna help you. He'll leading

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01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: guide into all truth. So how I tell people is

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01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: they'd be like, well, this is my truth. I'm living

1378
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: my truth. When you give your life to Jesus, one

1379
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: of the promises is holy Spirit leads you into truth.

1380
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: So whatever deception you have in your process, that truth

1381
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: will be revealed. And so we gotta be more patient

1382
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: with giving people grace to journey well, to journey with God,

1383
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: not interrupt the person process, like people trying to put

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01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: me prematurely outwardly to look delivered for their comfort, for

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01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: their confirmation.

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Speaker 6: That's good, she said, for their comfort.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was like, no, I'm going to follow

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01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: God because my appearance wasn't the confirmation of my freedom.

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Speaker 3: My marriage isn't the confirmation. They have a lot of.

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01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: People that's married and still struggle. So that's that's just

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01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: he doesn't confirm my freedom. My relationship with Jesus is

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01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: the confirmation, and you can't question that.

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01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: I met a woman who was married and her husband

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01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: didn't know. I remember I met her and I told

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01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 2: her first conversation, I said, I think your friend that

1396
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 2: you keep saying is your friend, that's your seat, that's

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01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 2: your private lover.

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01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 6: She said, in the world did you know that?

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01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: I said, God just told me that, and she said,

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01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 2: nobody knows that. She said, if my husband knew that,

1401
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 2: he would lose it. But here it is married and

1402
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: has a one I'm in that nobody would affect feminine

1403
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 2: woman all that, and no one would suspect that that's

1404
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: her lover, her her close friend.

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01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 6: And so, like you're saying, to your point, that makes

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 6: all the sense in the world. I can.

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01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 2: I can play this facade. You can put your dress on,

1408
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 2: put makeup on, look all like this and still be

1409
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 2: struggling internally and still be doing uh messing with women still.

1410
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 6: But for the church, it looks like, oh, she didn't

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01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 6: look at what God did.

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 2: She's so changed to delivered, so that when you really

1413
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: walk through your deliverance, it's one hundred percent for real,

1414
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 2: you know fully, So I hear what you're saying, which

1415
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: gave me a different level of knowledge, because I would

1416
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 2: assume the same thing if I start seeing you still

1417
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 2: walking around like that, and I'd be like, she saved

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01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 2: still like this, she need to get dipped in the

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01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: pool a little bit more, you know. A couple of times,

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01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, I'd be wondering. I'd be like,

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01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 2: why is she still doing that? But now you've given

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: me even more understanding, so that even when I see

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01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 2: men coming out there lifestyle, then the maneurisms, you know,

1424
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: they still be holding onto those manorysms. And then you

1425
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 2: go like and then you speak something like, he still gave. Yeah,

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01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 2: you know what that person is.

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01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

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01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 2: And then if you're if that person hears you say that,

1429
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,759
Speaker 2: and they go, but God, I'm not anymore.

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01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 6: What are they seeing?

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01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 2: Well, I guess it's easier for me to go back

1432
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 2: into his lifestyle because I'm not accepted by the church.

1433
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 6: And so I love what you're saying.

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01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 2: So I want this to be a challenge for Christians

1435
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 2: out there that when you're seeing people walking through their

1436
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: deliverance in any and everything they're walking through. You may

1437
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: have somebody that comes straight straight from the streets. They

1438
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 2: come to the church. They still smell like we but

1439
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 2: they just gave their life the Christ two weeks ago.

1440
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 2: You know, talk to that person. Still show them love. Hey, listen,

1441
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 2: you know, Ron wasn't built overnight. And my journey when

1442
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 2: God was delivered me from stuff, it happened in process.

1443
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't like I just came up and I just

1444
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 2: walked around and I'm just saved, sanctified field, the Holy

1445
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 2: Ghost speaking in tongues. On the day I accept the

1446
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and savior. It was processed,

1447
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 2: and that process took long. Some of these processes. Even

1448
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 2: God delivered me from pre marital sex and fornication.

1449
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 6: That took years. I even know to even pray that prayer,

1450
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.

1451
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 2: I prayed that prayer for the first time in twenty

1452
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 2: twenty in December. I was like, my body got value,

1453
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to Wait. I never heard that conversation. Had

1454
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 2: I never knew that at all. So I was like, Okay,

1455
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: my body has value. You ain't supposed to be fornicating. Wow,

1456
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 2: how am I supposed to do that? You know what

1457
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 2: I'm saying? Why would I stop doing that? That was

1458
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: the first question. Why would I stop doing that? I'm

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01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 2: a grown man, I have needs, and God began to

1460
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 2: start changing me from the inside out. And then when

1461
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 2: I started sharing that story about hey, I've been asking

1462
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 2: for seven eight months and then if I fall off,

1463
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,839
Speaker 2: I'll share that story. My pastor told me something so wise,

1464
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 2: which I don't talk about anymore. Of my absence journey

1465
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 2: or whatever. But I stopped saying that for a year.

1466
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 2: For the last year, he said, I want you to

1467
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 2: heal privately and grow publicly. He said, everybody don't need

1468
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: to hear that journey. He said, you said it enough.

1469
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 2: You showed your vulnerability, you showed your transparency. I want

1470
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 2: you to heal privately and grow publicly.

1471
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

1472
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 2: And so when when now, when you share your testimony,

1473
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 2: you'd be like, oh, yeah, and I'm married and God

1474
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 2: did this and we were able to do this in

1475
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 2: our marriage, and you share that after the fact, but

1476
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: don't share people that you know you've done that enough.

1477
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 2: Don't share why you're in process. That was the greatest

1478
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 2: advice you ever shared with me. Shout out to Pastor

1479
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 2: Evan Connor where you shared that. Past Evan Connor, you

1480
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: know that is ye oh yeah, that's And so when

1481
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 2: he shared that, I was like, Okay, it makes a

1482
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 2: lot of sense.

1483
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 6: I'll walk in that on of that.

1484
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 2: But again, because a lot of people don't give grace

1485
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 2: for what you're talking about, they'd be like, she's still yeah, and.

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01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: It's a sanctification process. But I and I also can

1487
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: I just speak to I want to speak to any

1488
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: young lady or young man that have given a life

1489
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: to Jesus and you still trying to figure out how

1490
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: to walk out the process of the identity, part of

1491
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: whether it's the masculine femininity. And sometimes it's often that

1492
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: you want to hold on to the image because of

1493
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: the fear of what you're going to look like and

1494
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 1: the shame that's connected to. But I've always lived my

1495
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: life this way.

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01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 3: I want you to. I get you, I see you,

1497
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 3: and I understand. But I do want to encourage you.

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01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: Trust God, obey God, leaning too God, don't stop the process,

1499
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: continue to walk this thing out and stand on. If

1500
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: he began a good working youth, he's going to complete it.

1501
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: God never start nothing that he don't intend, don't finish it.

1502
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: And I want to just encourage you to enjoy the

1503
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: process because on the other side of that total transformation

1504
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 1: of you surrendering and yielding your entire being to God

1505
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: is a whole new life. And so I just want

1506
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 1: to encourage you that God got you well.

1507
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 2: Sophia, wy don't you just keep cooking. Go ahead and

1508
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: bring him to Christ, Go ahead and do it at cast.

1509
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1510
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: So, and also if you don't know Jesus as your

1511
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: personal saving. Let me tell you one of the greatest

1512
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: things that I could have ever done in my life

1513
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: was made the confession and give my life to Jesus.

1514
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: I simply just ask him coming to my life, coming

1515
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: to my heart. I want to be born again. And

1516
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: I kept on acknowledging to God. I feel like a mess,

1517
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 1: Like what could you do with my life? I'm terrible.

1518
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: I felt so far from God. And God told me

1519
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: that before he formed me and my mother's womb, he

1520
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: knew me. Many of you you've been known, You've been

1521
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: preordained for new Before God formed you and place you

1522
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: on your mother's womb, he had already sanctified you, set

1523
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: you apart. There is an ancient word that I've been

1524
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: spoken over your life.

1525
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 3: There's a destiny for you.

1526
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: And I just declare that as you give your life

1527
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 1: to Jesus, He's going to send you help, which is

1528
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit. And Holy Spirit is going to lead you.

1529
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: He's going to guide you. He'll never leave you or

1530
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: forsake you. And I want you to just.

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Speaker 3: Hold on to God.

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Speaker 1: And every time you feel like God is far from you,

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01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: for you to just say God, you said in your word,

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Speaker 1: you'll never leave me or forsake me. The benefit of

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01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 1: salvation is not just eternal life. The benefit of salvation

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01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: is so that you can maximize the fullness of your potential,

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01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 1: your purpose, and your assignment in which God has sent

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01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,799
Speaker 1: you into the earth. And so I want to invite

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01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: you to ask Jesus to come into your life and

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: your heart be born again. Once you walk out of

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01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: the kingdom of darkness into the Kingdom of light, God

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01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: is going. I'm telling you it's gonna be such such

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01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: a new life that's gonna come upon you. And I'm

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01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: telling you gonna look at yourself. You're gonna say I

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01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: never even imagined this for me. I didn't even know

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01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 1: that this could be my life. I never saw this

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01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: version of me unfolding. Trust God. I just released the

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01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: grace and the faith over you, and I declared that

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01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: as you come to Jesus, many of you gonna be testifying,

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01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 1: and God's gonna use your story now and in the

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Speaker 1: days to come.

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Speaker 6: Amen, Amen, and Amen again.

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01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 2: How can we support y'all what y'all got going on

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01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 2: social media accounts?

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01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 6: Drop that what you got going on.

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01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: I just dropped the new book which I'm very excited about.

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01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: My new book just dropped caught. It will be God.

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01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 6: It will be God. And I saw a little funny

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01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 6: real that you kept saying he'll be God.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if somebody says to me, what does that mean?

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01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: It simply will be God, because I feel like God

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01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: has already declared a purpose over all of us before

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01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: time and anything you're going through that when you trust God,

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01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: he gonna see you through any situation.

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01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 3: And I saw how me just declaring I just.

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01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: Made that decree it will be God or it will

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Speaker 1: be God during the time that I lost my mom,

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01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 1: and that meant I just trust God.

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01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 3: Either way it go, it will be God.

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Speaker 1: Concerning if I'll ever get married and hear that, brother King,

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01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: it would be God as a powerful decree that you

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01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: don't got to worry about nothing.

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Speaker 3: It will be God. So please get the book.

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01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 6: It will be God.

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Speaker 2: What about you, Tommy, I know you said you about

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01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 2: to get more active on social media.

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Speaker 6: Yes, follow you.

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01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 4: I'm pretty active on TikTok okay, yes, sir, do you

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01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 4: want people to follow you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 6: All right, what's your IG? Tell them?

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Speaker 4: TDA fourteen fourteen TA.

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Speaker 6: T fourteen fourteen. Yes, sir, and what's your Sophia?

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01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 3: Your girl? Sof on Ig and Sophia roughing on everything.

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01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: It would be links in the description for y'all to

1586
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 2: easily click on it, follow them, support them, pray over

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01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 2: this amazing couple. Y'all go ahead and just give it

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01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 2: up for my homemis the Wilsons.

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Speaker 6: Stay tuned to the end for a letter to my

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01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 6: future wife.

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01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 7: Right in these love letters.

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01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,759
Speaker 2: Ladarium thrust it suddenly into child protective services.

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01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 6: In twenty fifteen, my nephew, black a boy.

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Speaker 2: The likelihood have been adopted outside of kinship slim to none? Rmione,

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01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: sixteen years old, black a boy with five years in

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01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 2: the Falster care system before I even knew his name.

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01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 2: The likelihood have ever been adopted?

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01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 6: Yep, you guessed it. Slim to none.

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01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 2: While Laderian and our MONI were trying to survive and

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Speaker 2: barely thrive in an overpopulated and underfunded false care system,

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01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 2: I was living my own life, doing well professionally, having

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01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 2: been a single father with a daughter who at that

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01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 2: point was doing well in college. It was my time

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01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 2: to live my life right wrong. I felt unsettled, tireless, agitated.

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01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 6: There are just.

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01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: Two many of our black children stuck in ambiguity and

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01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 2: in the limbo of the Falster care system. In twenty seventeen,

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01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 2: I legally adopted my nephew Ladarian. Fast forward to twenty nineteen.

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01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 2: I had no ties to this other young king, but

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01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 2: I felt God instructed me to adopt.

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01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 6: Him also in al Babe.

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01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 2: Starting over with parenting should have been enough. Right, Working

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01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 2: with various foster care and adoption agencies to help bring

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01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 2: awareness to the countless young Black kings and the foster

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01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 2: care system should have decreased my agitation.

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01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 6: Right.

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01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 2: Joining the board of directors of Advantage of Adoption and

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01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 2: organization that helps find permanent adoptive homes for children in

1619
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 2: Falter care should have led to some type of resolve.

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01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 6: Right, No, not at all.

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01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 2: None of it felt like I had done enough. I

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01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: now realized that every one of those experiences was land

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01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,839
Speaker 2: the fundamental foundation for my life's mission.

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01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 6: Kingdom Royal.

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01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 2: Kingdom Royal would be a luxury, state of the art

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01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 2: home for foster boys. Our first location will be in

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01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 2: the Dallas Fort Work Metroplex. We will utilize the whole

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01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: person approach that instills identity empowers them to advocate for themselves.

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01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 2: And enlightens them regarding new perspectives and limitless options that

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01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 2: they thought were impossible. Though the young Kings will attend

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01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 2: the local public schools that are in proximity to Kingdom

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01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 2: Royal our at home correct will broaden their worldview through

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01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 2: participating in the arts, attending various cultural events, learning about

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01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 2: and engaging in multifaceted discussions about current events and even

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01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 2: relevant historical contexts, Introducing them to gardening and landscaping, and

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01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 2: even caring for our animals on our form and on

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01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 2: site stables. We just launched our startup capital campaign with

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01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 2: the goal of raising two point eight million dollars. Now

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01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 2: why two point eight million dollars?

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01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 6: Well?

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01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, I created a web series in which

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01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,919
Speaker 2: I performed random acts of kindness for targeting the homeless community.

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01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: One of the most notable successes was that one of

1644
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 2: the videos went viral, garnering twenty eight million views. However,

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01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: one of my biggest regrets is that I didn't raise

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01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 2: a single dollar to help in implementing a more sustainable

1647
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 2: plan for the homeless community. So throughout the years, with

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01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 2: much remorse, I reflect that I'm not maximizing that moment

1649
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 2: I knew if at that time just ten percent of

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01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: the viewers donated one dollar, we would have raised at

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01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: least two point eight million dollars that could have really

1652
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 2: established long term support for the homeless community, or at

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01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: least started a long term initiative to do so.

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01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 6: This is my do over, this is our new beginning.

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01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 2: Together, we can attack this at the route by specifically

1656
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 2: helping our homeless Black boys who are already disproportionately represented

1657
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 2: in the American fossil care system. I'm a Terisarwickfield. I've

1658
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: been nominated for three Regional Emmys documenting my work with

1659
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: the homeless as well as my personal adoption journey. Despite

1660
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 2: those accolades, the greatest award for me is truly providing

1661
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 2: the infrastructure for a transformed life. Visit Kingdomroyal dot com

1662
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 2: for more details Crown of king and make a donation today.

1663
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 2: Wasn't this episode absolutely amazing? I love when I can

1664
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 2: just chop it up and have conversations add a wrinkle

1665
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 2: to my own brain. Never had a conversation on Dear

1666
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 2: Future WIFEI podcasts of that subject matter, so it's very

1667
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 2: refreshing to have that conversation. Shout out to Sophia for

1668
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 2: being willing to have that conversation, and Tommy for giving

1669
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 2: her the space and grace to have that conversation in

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01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 2: front of him. Well, here's my favorite part of the podcast,

1671
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 2: where I speak to my future wifey. Dear future Wifey,

1672
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 2: The world will always have something to say. Some will

1673
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,799
Speaker 2: cheer us on, Others will criticize what they don't understand.

1674
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 6: But I promise you this, I.

1675
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 2: Will never let the noise of public opinion drown out

1676
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 2: the melody of our love.

1677
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 6: You and I are.

1678
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 2: Team bound by covenant, not by commentary. My job isn't

1679
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 2: to defend us to the world, is to protect us

1680
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 2: from the world. I'll cover you in prayer, shield you

1681
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 2: with my words, and hold you steady when outside voices

1682
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 2: grow loud. You'll never have to wonder whose side I'm on.

1683
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:04,440
Speaker 2: It'll all be ours, our love, our union, our journey.

1684
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: We will build a fortress of trust so strong that

1685
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 2: no opinion can penetrate it. Our intimacy will be our

1686
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,879
Speaker 2: safe place, our bond, the proof that truth outweighs gossip,

1687
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 2: and when the pressure mounts, will stand back to back,

1688
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 2: knowing that together we are unshakable. To let them talk,

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01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 2: let them, speculate, let them judge from afar. As long

1690
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 2: as we keep protecting each other, their words will never

1691
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 2: hold power over us.

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01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 6: What God ordains.

1693
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 7: No man can counsel your future Hooby.

1694
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Dear Future

1695
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 2: Wifey podcast.

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01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:41,959
Speaker 6: Remember be lit, live.

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01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 2: Intentionally and transparently, and don't stop loving. Make sure to

1698
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: subscribe to our Dear Future Wife and YouTube channels.

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Speaker 6: We're available on.

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01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, and Stitcher.

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01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:53,839
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Speaker 2: Simply share our podcasts with your friends and family.