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Speaker 1: Lie from the Heartland and the crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. I have said before.

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Speaker 2: And I will say again that Pete Buddha Judge is

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Speaker 2: the smartiest dude. Remind me I also have to get

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Speaker 2: to this real estate story. A smarmy, smarmy guy, indecent,

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Speaker 2: a fraud of a human being, a guy who is

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Speaker 2: solely focused on every single level with what happens to

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Speaker 2: his career and is not connected to actually caring about

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Speaker 2: the nation. Allow me to prove it, Tony Katz, Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today, good to be with you. You could not

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Speaker 2: have been worse at running the Department of Transportation than

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Speaker 2: Pee Udo Judge, the guy who would say, look, I'm

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Speaker 2: riding my bike to the office, but didn't show you that.

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Speaker 2: The SUVs would take him to about like less than

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Speaker 3: You never saw that video. Video is gold gold.

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Speaker 2: He adopts children with his husband and then they're taking

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Speaker 2: that's just ugly and weird and all sorts of nonsensical.

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Speaker 2: But this one was the big one. This is the

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Speaker 2: one that's going to make you scream. And I don't

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Speaker 2: want you to scream. And if you're driving, I want

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Speaker 2: your hands on ten and two. I want you to

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Speaker 2: be focused. This is the headline.

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Speaker 3: X Transportation Secretary Pete Buddha Judge.

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Speaker 4: The story from the Washington Times.

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Speaker 2: X Transportation Secretary Pete Buddha Judge says.

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Speaker 3: Biden should not have run for reelection. Why not, mister secretary?

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 2: Why should Joe Biden not have run for reelection? Was

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Speaker 2: there something wrong with Joe Biden? Was there an issue?

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Speaker 2: Did you know something? If you knew something, why didn't

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Speaker 4: I mean, I thought if.

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Speaker 2: You see something, you say something. So why oh why

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Speaker 2: did you not tell us anything? Is it because you

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Speaker 2: are such a craven political monster that your chance to

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Speaker 2: run for president, your chance to have power, was so

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Speaker 2: important to you, and the country of such little importance

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Speaker 2: to you, Like we know the people of East Palastine,

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Speaker 2: Ohio were of such little importance to you, like we

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Speaker 2: know the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach were

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Speaker 2: of such little importance to you. However, declaring highways racist

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Speaker 2: that was very important to you. All these things mattered

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Speaker 2: so little, and your power mattered so much that who

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Speaker 2: cares what happens to the country as long as you

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Speaker 5: In his own words, you were in the president's cabinet,

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Speaker 5: of course, do you believe it was recklessness for President

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Speaker 6: He should not have run, and if he had made

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Speaker 6: it literally was his decision. Nobody else was able to

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Speaker 4: What the bloody heck does that mean?

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Speaker 3: It literally was his decision.

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Speaker 2: Nobody else could have made that decision if the cabinet

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Speaker 2: had come out and said, this guy is not all right.

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Speaker 2: If the cabinet had just put the country first, put

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Speaker 3: Not all right.

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Speaker 2: You think he would have run, You think he you

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Speaker 2: think he'd be the nominee. You think he could have

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Speaker 2: that this guy wasn't okay.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't okay.

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Speaker 2: You said nothing because you wanted power or worse, you're

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Speaker 4: Pete Boudha judge that you couldn't bring yourself to.

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Speaker 7: Be honest because it might mean some people say some

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Speaker 7: not nice things about you, and you need these people

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Speaker 7: to future campaigns.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe for governor of Michigan, maybe for president,

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Speaker 2: like you're ever gonna be president. And again it's the

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Speaker 2: they won't look in respectively. They won't look at say,

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Speaker 2: you know, if he had just been somebody of strength,

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Speaker 4: Maybe Kamala Harrison has more than one hundred and seven days.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she learns that actually campaign, maybe we get somewhere,

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Speaker 2: or maybe just maybe the Democrat says, if these people

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Speaker 2: have been honest about Joe Biden, we could have had

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Speaker 3: But because you Pete boota.

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Speaker 2: Judge, and the rest of your cabinet are such a

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Speaker 2: bunch of anti American cowards, you screwed over the fourteen

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Speaker 3: You know, people of strength and character. I know what

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Speaker 4: It's a democratic party. There is no strength in character.

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Speaker 2: But compared to Pete Butoha Judge, these people are amazing.

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Speaker 2: You screwed over all those people, you Roger Tham, but

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Speaker 2: could is what you did, Secretary Budha Judge. You hurt

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Speaker 2: these people. You prevented them from having their say. And

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Speaker 2: now months later, after the books have already been written,

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Speaker 4: I think it was reckless for Joe Biden to run again.

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Speaker 3: She's calling them reckless.

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Speaker 2: She could have come out and said this guy can't

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Speaker 2: run the country twenty fifth Amendment. Who's with me? She

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Speaker 2: could have done it, could have done it quietly. There

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Speaker 4: Nothing I was at. I was gonna get into this later,

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Speaker 4: we'll do it now.

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Speaker 2: I was at an event over the weekend, the Hoosier

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Speaker 2: Leadership for America summits, put on by Senator Jim Banks.

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Speaker 2: Full disclosure. I was not paid a dime to any

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Speaker 6: There.

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Speaker 2: This is this conversation about leadership came out and came

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Speaker 2: speakers there regarding media and leadership and how does media

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Speaker 2: work to build the next generation of of of leadership to.

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Speaker 4: The extent that.

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Speaker 2: To the extent that we could the extent that I

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Speaker 2: I and I stated that that part of leadership is

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Speaker 2: It's not about pretending, hey, I never made this mistake

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Speaker 2: and here's what I've learned since then. It's not that

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Speaker 2: America is going to ruin you for doing something they

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Speaker 2: because you have changed your mind. Very often it happens

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Speaker 2: trust him, Look how he changed his mind. Normal people

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Speaker 2: And then they're like, wait, there's a better way. So

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Speaker 2: it's not flip flopping. That is here's here's how I

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Speaker 2: to me, that's a huge part about leadership. So being

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Speaker 2: I saw this data, engage these facts and not only

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Speaker 2: that if we're doing anything here, engaging the concepts of leadership,

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Speaker 2: and I believe that the leadership that exists, the elected leadership,

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Speaker 2: is nothing more than registering what it is we're doing.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: This is the difference between the thermometer and the thermostat.

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Speaker 2: A thermometer measures temperature. A thermostat changes temperature. Politicians are thermometers.

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Speaker 2: They're measuring the heat or lack thereof no heat, no movement.

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Speaker 2: We are thermostats. We change the temperature, and the politician

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Speaker 4: That's what happens.

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Speaker 2: In few instances you actually have political leaders who stand

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Speaker 2: up with it. This is wrong, and we have to

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Speaker 2: even if it's unpopular. Certainly one could argue, if we

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Speaker 2: has or has not Senator John Fetterman or Congresman Richie

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Speaker 2: standard's leadership for you to say so on your social

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Speaker 2: media pages to your children, I mean, who's leading your children?

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Speaker 3: Who's leader? That's you?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: What is it that you are are modeling for them?

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Speaker 2: That's the leadership. I have no idea if this show

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Speaker 2: I say so, and I share why. And there's a

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Speaker 2: value in that massive value. But it comes from not

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Speaker 2: hiding who you were before. And and I don't have

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Speaker 2: the book in front of me from David Mammont, the

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Speaker 2: the the chapter on the Shapewsky story, the Shaperevsky story,

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Speaker 2: I should.

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Speaker 4: Say, is incredible, and I will. I'll share it another time.

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Speaker 3: You can't say, or you can't put.

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Speaker 2: Out there that you engage leadership or want to share

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Speaker 2: didn't say so, right, you must say so. Pete Booter

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Speaker 2: Judge in stating this is saying that he never engaged

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Speaker 3: He said it was a mistake.

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Speaker 2: For Biden to run for reelection, but never stated that

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden shouldn't run for reelection. Did you care about

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Speaker 2: about his power. He cared about him not and that's

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Speaker 2: not leadership. So the idea that he's saying this now

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Speaker 2: you're gonna sorry. You see even more Democrats. It's like

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Speaker 2: when they say, man, I can't believe how bad Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden was. I didn't notice it at first. It's the

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Speaker 2: whole Jake Tapper thing all over again. They think that

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Speaker 2: somehow this absolves them of what they've done, and we

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Speaker 2: know far better. No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: On Tony Katz, this is Tony Katz Today,