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Speaker 1: Boom Guy Ralphord on ninety three w y PC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome to three w ib SE The Gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 3: And we had just a bit of issue of an

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Speaker 3: you're with us. We've got a lot to talk about,

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Speaker 3: as we always do. Just last week, we saw an

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Speaker 3: arrest in Bloomington as part of a protest and a gentleman,

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Speaker 3: Ryan Hughes, forty two years old, reportedly and this is

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Speaker 3: from an article by Chloe Odin from the Indiana Daily Student,

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Speaker 3: and coming from the Indiana Daily Student, I think it's

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Speaker 3: an objective, well written article, but it reports on the

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Speaker 3: fact that a Ryan Hughes, forty two years old, was

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Speaker 3: arrested Friday following a protest against ICE, the US Immigration

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Speaker 3: and Customs Enforcement Agency. And as we've seen across the country,

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Speaker 3: and obviously as we've been following in Minnesota and other places.

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Speaker 3: Bloomington decided, not surprising given the constituency of Monroe County

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Speaker 3: and Indiana University and Bloomington as a city, they had

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Speaker 3: it anti ice protest. Well, Ryan Hughes decided to attend

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Speaker 3: this protest with a shotgun slunk slung around his neck

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Speaker 3: call that a tax sling, where it essentially holds the

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Speaker 3: there's absolutely nothing wrong with. I often, even in like

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Speaker 3: consistent with your Second Amendment right to do it. Where

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Speaker 3: especially if you get into any kind of a confrontation

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Speaker 3: while carrying the gun. And listen, this is not long

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Speaker 3: after we saw the shooting of a protester in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 3: Alex Pretty and a lot of people, including Republicans in Washington,

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Speaker 3: to my great disappointment, came out after Alex Pretty was

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Speaker 3: there's no discussion. If if you're on Team Ice, then

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Speaker 3: everything Ice is doing is just fine. If you're on

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Speaker 3: to call it, Anti Ice, Anti Trump, no Kings, whatever

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Speaker 3: the hell nomenclature you want to throw at it, people

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Speaker 3: And where people came out and say Alex Pretty deserved

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Speaker 3: And all this arises from him carrying, just like Alex

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Speaker 1: The show about gun rights, gun safety, and responsible gun ownership.

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Speaker 3: And and here's the here's the really nightmare situation for me,

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Speaker 3: and and this has influenced my thinking even on what

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Speaker 3: kind of firearm I want to have available to me

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Speaker 3: when I come downtown. And here's the nightmare scenario to me,

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Speaker 3: is that you turn a corner you're just trying to

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Speaker 3: you know, for me, for instance, I'm just trying to

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Speaker 3: get to the studio, or I'm just trying to get

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Speaker 3: to the State House, where I am quite often, or

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Speaker 3: a meeting downtown somewhere. But I turn a corner said boom.

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Speaker 3: There in the middle of the street, there's a great,

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Speaker 3: big gold protest going on and they're blocking the street.

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Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, there are people behind me

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Speaker 3: and I'm getting blocked in. I'm getting surrounded and now

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Speaker 3: I'm stuck. And just like we saw in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: And actually I had my show the Saturday that things

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Speaker 3: got really bad that evening and a lot of businesses

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Speaker 3: were were were destroyed or damaged. A lot of windows

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Speaker 3: were broken. I mean, the amount of plywood on windows

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Speaker 3: in downtown Indy was just shocking to me. There were

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Speaker 3: fire set in businesses and some people lost their lives,

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Speaker 3: and it was a very violent, volatile situation, and there

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Speaker 3: were situations where people weren't exactly the situation I just described.

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Speaker 3: It was a woman on a monument circle who got

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Speaker 3: blocked in by a protest and what she did is

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Speaker 3: she actually, you know, I believe she was with her

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Speaker 3: honor if I recall correctly, in a minivan and she

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Speaker 3: hit the gas and drove through some people, bumped some

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Speaker 3: of the protesters, and she ended up getting prosecuted for

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Speaker 3: battery with a deadly weapon. Deadly weapon is a vehicle?

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Speaker 3: Is a vehicle a deadly weapon? Sure it is? So

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Speaker 3: what are your rights? I mean the self defense statue,

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Speaker 3: This is a very very important component of this discussion.

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Speaker 3: The self defense statue says you're justified in using reasonable force,

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Speaker 3: including deadly force, again to prevent serious bodily injury to you,

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Speaker 3: and you have to have the reasonable belief, a reasonable

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Speaker 3: belief that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily

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Speaker 3: injury to you or another person. Then, separately, our castle

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Speaker 3: doctrine includes your occupied motor vehicle. So what am I

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Speaker 3: saying by that? Well, you can use reasonable force, including

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Speaker 3: deadly force, to prevent or terminate an unlawful entry into

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Speaker 3: or attack on your home or your occupied motor vehicle.

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Speaker 3: Also says curtilage in there, We're not going to talk

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Speaker 3: about critilage. We can derail the whole show going off

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Speaker 3: talking about curtilage. But you can use reasonable force, including

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Speaker 3: deadly force, to prevent or terminate an unlawful attack on

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Speaker 3: or entry of your occupied motor vehicle. Isn't that interesting?

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Speaker 3: So if I get caught up in a protest and

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Speaker 3: someone is smashing my windshield with a baseball bat or

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Speaker 3: or or striking my driver's side window with a tire

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Speaker 3: iron so as to drag me out of my car

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Speaker 3: and hurt me. Am I justified in using my gun

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Speaker 3: in that situation? Yes, that's an unlawful attack, an entry

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Speaker 3: into my occupied motor vehicle, And assuming that they dragged

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Speaker 3: me out of my window, They're not gonna get me

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Speaker 3: out there and smother me with kisses and hugs. Right,

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Speaker 3: I'm preventing serious bodily injury. So can I do that? Yes?

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Speaker 3: The problem about the protest situation, and the reason I

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Speaker 3: call it a nightmare scenario, is because you're justified in

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Speaker 3: preventing that unlawful attack on you, or terminating that unlawful

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Speaker 3: attack on you so as to prevent serious bodily injury,

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Speaker 3: or preventing or terminating that unlawful attack on your occupied

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Speaker 3: motor vehicle, but only against the people who are doing

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Speaker 3: the attacking or the entering. You see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So if what if your car's surrounded. You got a

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Speaker 3: bunch of people who are, arguably, and you can argue

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Speaker 3: this point either way, just exercising their Second Amendment excuse me,

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Speaker 3: their First Amendment rights. They're carrying signs, they're chanting, they're

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Speaker 3: having a protest, which they're absolutely constitutionally allowed to do,

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Speaker 3: assuming they're doing it peacefully and not otherwise breaking the law.

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Speaker 3: But let's say they are peacefully protesting and I've got

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Speaker 3: protesters in front of my car, can I just slam

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Speaker 3: on the gas? The problem with that scenario is that

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Speaker 3: you're potentially injuring people who are not the same people

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Speaker 3: trying to break into your car. Now, there are all

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Speaker 3: kinds of theories, and I've had people say, well, they're

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Speaker 3: all acting together there, it's a team exercise. It's all

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Speaker 3: a conspiracy to do what they're saying. Well, you can

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Speaker 3: argue those things, but I can tell you, in a

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Speaker 3: lot of jurisdictions, if you just hit the gas, you're

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Speaker 3: definitely risking being prosecuted because I'll guarantee you they're going

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Speaker 3: to be people show up in court who say, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm you know, it's the old story. I'm the honor

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Speaker 3: student and I was just you know, I got out

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Speaker 3: of school to go participate in the protest because I

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Speaker 3: wanted to exercise my First Amendment rights. In this lunatic

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Speaker 3: in a black Cadillac ran me over, and some other

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Speaker 3: people may have been, you know, breaking his window or

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Speaker 3: swinging a baseball bat at his windshield, but that wasn't me.

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Speaker 3: I was just exercising my First Amendment right. That's a

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Speaker 3: tough situation to be in. You can defend against yourself

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Speaker 3: against the person to enter your vehicle or the person

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Speaker 3: trying to assault you and cause serious bodily injury to you.

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Speaker 3: You can't necessarily hurt other people in the process of

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Speaker 3: getting away from the people who are actually attacking you.

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Speaker 3: That's why it's such a sticky situation. That's why it's

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Speaker 3: so difficult. Tayo, let's take a break. We're a little

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Speaker 3: past three quarter a row our. We'll talk a little

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Speaker 3: bit more about this, and again, if you want to

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Speaker 3: participate in this discussion, you want to go back to

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Speaker 3: the alex pretty situation, you want to debate that with me,

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Speaker 3: give us a call. Join the discussion. Three one seven

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Speaker 3: two three nine ninety three ninety three three one seven

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Speaker 3: two three nine ninety three ninety three, says Guy Ralford

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Speaker 3: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC Kyril.

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Speaker 3: I'm still screwing up the microphones in here. Totally my fault.

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Speaker 3: I switched microphones so my audio would be better, and

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Speaker 3: I just hit the wrong button. Guy Ralfer of the

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Speaker 3: Law Office is Guy Ralford. If you've lost your gun rights,

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Speaker 3: either through a felony conviction or something else on your record,

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Speaker 3: you'd like to restore your rights true expungement or other

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Speaker 3: restoration processes. There are ways to restore your rights that

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Speaker 3: apply to some people, certainly not all. If you'd like

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Speaker 3: to discuss that though, and see what your opportunities might be,

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Speaker 3: give us a call. Contact us through the website. It's

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Speaker 3: just Relford Law dot com. Our phone number is right there.

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Speaker 3: You can hit contact us and send us an email.

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Speaker 3: It's Relford Law dot com.

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Speaker 1: It's your rights, your responsibilities, your guns. This is the

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Speaker 1: Gun Guy with Guy Relfrid on ninety three WYDC.

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Speaker 3: And Welcome back. We got a bit of a short

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Speaker 3: segment here at the top of the hour. But thing

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Speaker 3: I noticed that just came out. I just got an email.

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Speaker 3: In fact, after the show even started. I got an email.

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Speaker 3: I subscribe to the National Crime Prevention Research Center Crime

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Speaker 3: Prevention Research Center, and this is the organization run by

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Speaker 3: doctor John R. Lott, Junior. And he's a statistician, but

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Speaker 3: he is the primary of the leading statistician and researcher

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Speaker 3: when it comes to guns and gun crimes in the

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Speaker 3: US and internationally. And I got to tell you, if

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Speaker 3: you want to see data, you want to see actual

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Speaker 3: research results, check out the Crime Prevention Research Center. And

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Speaker 3: I get an email from doctor a lot about once

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Speaker 3: a week, and it is always absolutely chock full of

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Speaker 3: important information and statistics and data that it's objectively verifiable,

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Speaker 3: and it's really tremendously useful, and a lot of times

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Speaker 3: he's used, I think, to debunk a lot of the

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Speaker 3: anti gun rhetoric that we see out there. But one

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Speaker 3: thing that jumped right out at me, in fact, it's

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Speaker 3: the first thing listed in his newsletter email I just

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Speaker 3: got is you know, a lot of folks are saying

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Speaker 3: that the US should follow Australia and the US should

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Speaker 3: be like Australia in terms of their gun control. And yes,

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Speaker 3: they had essentially a massacre of their Bondy Beach shooting

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Speaker 3: where fifteen people lost their lives and forty people were wounded.

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Speaker 3: And as a result, Australia is talking about passing more

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Speaker 3: gun control, even over and above what they've done to date,

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Speaker 3: and they've got some of the most restrictive gun laws

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Speaker 3: in the world there in Australia. A lot of people

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Speaker 3: are saying we need to follow the Australian model. How

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Speaker 3: many times you heard that from politicians here in the US. Well,

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Speaker 3: what doctor Lote did is he compiled the statistics for

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Speaker 3: all violent crimes and looking at Australia and the US

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Speaker 3: to compare who has the most violent crime Here in

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Speaker 3: Australia now where gun rights incredibly curtailed or may likely

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Speaker 3: be brutalized even more. He looked at total violent crime

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Speaker 3: and look at this. Things like physical assault is double

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Speaker 3: in Australia what it is in the US. Robbery's about

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Speaker 3: the same, rape, sexual assault is three times higher in Australia.

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Speaker 3: Burglaries and break ins, what we call residential entry here

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Speaker 3: in Indiana three times in Australia because bad guys don't

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Speaker 3: have to worry about a gun in the house. Those

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Speaker 3: issues tell me we've got it a lot more right

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Speaker 3: than Australia does, and their gun control simply leads to

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Speaker 3: more victims, not as safe for a society. And with

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Speaker 3: that here at the top of the hour, we're taking

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Speaker 3: a break, says Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show

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Speaker 3: on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 1: and bear arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy.

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Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom boom, boom, boom.

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Speaker 1: Bang bang bom, Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back for our number two here The Gun

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Speaker 3: Guy Show on ninety three WIBC. We're glad you're with us,

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Speaker 3: whether you're listening over the air at ninety three point

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Speaker 3: or you can go to YouTube and actually catch the

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Speaker 3: video and participate in the chat feature as well. We

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Speaker 3: got a lot of people on there being very active

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Speaker 3: here during this show. I want to give you a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a heads up. There is a group

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Speaker 3: out there called the Indiana Firearms Coalition, and these folks

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Speaker 3: are complete scam artists. This is a so called Door Brothers,

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Speaker 3: not so called. It is the Door Brothers d O

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Speaker 3: r R. And these folks set up these quote unquote

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Speaker 3: grassroots organizations and their issues seem to be right to

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Speaker 3: life and Second Amendment. But they do it in a

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Speaker 3: number of states knowing that they're going to get some

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Speaker 3: attention from particularly conservatives out there who are passionate about

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Speaker 3: those issues. And what they do is they create a

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Speaker 3: lot of YouTube videos, they create distribution lists, and send

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Speaker 3: a ton of email and they talk about how they

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Speaker 3: are fighting for in this case, your Second Amendment rights,

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Speaker 3: and that you need to contribute to the Indiana Firearms

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Speaker 3: Coalition and help them fight for Indiana gun owners and listen.

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Speaker 3: Full disclosure. I founded back in twenty twenty the two

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Speaker 3: A project. You don't get emails from us, you don't

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Speaker 3: get solicitations from us. We just fight in the legislature

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Speaker 3: and otherwise for your Second Amendment rights and we get

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Speaker 3: a lot of results. We were right out front on

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Speaker 3: constitutional carry. You asked legislators who led the fight for

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Speaker 3: constitutional carry in twenty twenty, it was Indiana State Rifle

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Speaker 3: and Pistol Association, it was our local representatives from NRA,

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Speaker 3: and it was the two A project right out front.

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Speaker 3: I've written a lot of bills that are now Indiana law.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it is very endearing to me, gratifying to me.

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Speaker 3: Just this last week, I won a red flag case

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Speaker 3: in Wayne County on Tuesday, and I won another red

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Speaker 3: flat case on Thursday in Wabash County. Did some driving

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Speaker 3: this week. In fact, I posted on my Facebook I

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Speaker 3: had a hearing in Decatur County on Wednesday. So in

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Speaker 3: three consecutive days, I was in court each day arguing

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Speaker 3: in two of those situations to preserve my client's Second

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Speaker 3: Amendment rights in red flatcases, and I won both red flatcases.

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Speaker 3: In both cases, my client was found to be not dangerous,

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Speaker 3: and what I love is in both situations, the court

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Speaker 3: was actually required to enter an expungement order, that is,

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Speaker 3: sealing the records associated with that red flat case, so

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Speaker 3: that having been found not dangerous, these people wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: their lives affected. If anybody does a background search just

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Speaker 3: looks them up on my case, which you can do

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Speaker 3: for anybody, and see that they'd had a red flat

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Speaker 3: case initiated against them. Because I'd had clients in the

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Speaker 3: past who won their red flat case. We went in

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Speaker 3: and proved they were not dangerous, but then lost jobs

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Speaker 3: or lost relationships, lost volunteer opportunities. When lady could no

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Speaker 3: longer do her job at driving a school bus, he said, well,

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Speaker 3: you know you had this red flat case. It still

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Speaker 3: shows up on your background check, and your guns were

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Speaker 3: seized from you. You know, someone's alleging you're dangerous. The

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Speaker 3: state of Indiana alledged to you're dangerous. We're not comfortable

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Speaker 3: with that person, couldn't She couldn't coach her daughter's volleyball

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Speaker 3: team because she had a red flat case on her record,

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Speaker 3: even though we'd won her case. But the guy got

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Speaker 3: held up joining the military because his recruiter got nervous

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Speaker 3: because he had a red flag case against him where

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Speaker 3: he was allegedly suicidal. He was not suicidal, He'd never

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Speaker 3: been suicidal. He said something vague to a girlfriend when

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Speaker 3: they broke up and said, well, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get along without you, meaning gosh, I

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Speaker 3: kind of liked you having you in my life. Have

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Speaker 3: to figure out how to not have you in my life.

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Speaker 3: At no point was he ever suicidal. But through a

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Speaker 3: game of telephone where girlfriend told, girlfriend told, girlfriend told

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Speaker 3: somebody else, somebody picked up the phone, called nine one

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Speaker 3: one and said these guys suicidal. They read flagged him.

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Speaker 3: He seized his guns, had gunpoint and we had to

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Speaker 3: go win and prove he wasn't suicidal and win that case.

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Speaker 3: Then he couldn't get into the military for some period

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Speaker 3: of time. None of that's right. So I wrote a

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Speaker 3: bill working for the two A Project, wrote a bill

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Speaker 3: that says, if you win your case at that first hearing,

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Speaker 3: prove that you're not dangerous, the court has to expunge

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Speaker 3: those records, seal those records from the public record, so

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Speaker 3: those don't affect your life. And I've written bills pretty

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Speaker 3: much every session. Don't have one going this session, I

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Speaker 3: have to admit, But for a lot of years, and

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Speaker 3: that's what the two A Project does. We do things

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Speaker 3: to get things done, to pass laws or defeat laws

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Speaker 3: so as to promote and protect Second Amendment rights in Indiana.

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Speaker 3: What I have never seen, not once in all the

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Speaker 3: years I've been active in the legislature and all the

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Speaker 3: years I've been fighting for Second Amendment rights, which goes

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Speaker 3: back a damn long way. I have never seen anybody

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Speaker 3: from the Indiana Firearms Coalition. I've never seen one of

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Speaker 3: the door Brothers. The guy that does most of the

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Speaker 3: videos is Aaron dor creepy looking dude. I've never seen

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Speaker 3: him in the State House, not once at a committee hearing. No,

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Speaker 3: never never seen him participate, never seen him come in

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Speaker 3: and offer legislation. But they get They send these urgent

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Speaker 3: emails and they create these YouTube videos. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: there's this horrible bill. Help us defeed the bill. You

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Speaker 3: must send us money so we can help defeat this

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Speaker 3: bill and protect Second Amendment rights in Indiana. They don't

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Speaker 3: do anything except send out videos asking for your money.

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Speaker 3: Never seen them take any affirmative action in Indiana ever.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it was funny. I saw one YouTube video

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Speaker 3: where Aaron Doors in the Indiana State House. He's filming

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Speaker 3: a video. Now there's nobody behind him. The state House

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Speaker 3: looks to be completely empty, looks to where the legislature

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Speaker 3: is probably not even in session for what I can

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Speaker 3: could tell, But he apparently did a fly by in Indiana,

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Speaker 3: raced into the state House and did a video. Never

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Speaker 3: seen them participate in the legislative process, but the one

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Speaker 3: the video, and it annoys me one because they're scam artists,

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Speaker 3: and it just bothers me that they're pocketing money from

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Speaker 3: hoosiers where they're not doing anything to do any good

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Speaker 3: whatsoever in Indiana as far as your Second Amendment rights.

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Speaker 3: But the other thing that bothers me is that I

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Speaker 3: get forward to their videos all the time. People take

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Speaker 3: their videos, they forward them to me on social media

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Speaker 3: or they email them to me, and it's always the

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00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: same thing. Is there any truth to this? Should I

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Speaker 3: be worried about this? Should I send money to the

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Speaker 3: Indiana Firearms Coalition and it'll be some video that's of course,

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Speaker 3: it's always extreme, it's always urgent. It's always oh no,

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Speaker 3: there's a crisis. And the most recent one and I

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Speaker 3: just saw today, so it got forwarded to me again

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Speaker 3: today where the Door Brothers put out this video and

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Speaker 3: send it Bill one thirty. This is terrible for gun owners.

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Speaker 3: We must have defeat Senate Bill one thirty. Do whatever

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Speaker 3: you can, contact us immediately contribute below. We're fighting for you.

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Speaker 3: We need to defeat Senate Bill one thirty Senate Bill

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Speaker 3: one thirty, and the legislature is dead as dead could be.

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Speaker 3: It never got a hearing. It was never going to

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Speaker 3: be a viable bill. It was never going to get

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Speaker 3: a hearing. It was doa from the time it got introduced.

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Speaker 3: It was at one of these so called safe storage

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Speaker 3: bills introduced by Senator Andrea Hunley. It got sent to

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Speaker 3: the Committee on Corrections and Criminal Law, chaired by one

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Speaker 3: Aaron Freeman, who was a fabulous proponent for the Second Amendment.

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Speaker 3: Senator Aaron Freeman was not going to give this thing

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Speaker 3: the light of day. It's a bad bill. It would

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Speaker 3: have penalize legal gun owners for simply having a home,

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Speaker 3: excuse me, a gun in their home if they also

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Speaker 3: happened to have somebody under eighteen under their roof. With

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Speaker 3: a bad bill, always going to be a bad bill,

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Speaker 3: and it was never going to see the light to day.

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Speaker 3: But knowing it was never going to see the light

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Speaker 3: to day, I mean, if they have any understanding of

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Speaker 3: the Indiana political process whatsoever, Indiana Firearms Coalition and the

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00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: Door Brothers had to know this was dead as a

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Speaker 3: doornail from day one, it was doa literally dead upon arrival,

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Speaker 3: but they still wanted you to send them money. And

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Speaker 3: I've seen several others. And of course, are there are

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Speaker 3: these bills every year there's a saw weapon ban out there? Sure,

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Speaker 3: of course there is. There was a bill to essentially

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Speaker 3: do away with the Indiana Firearms Preemption Act in multiple counties,

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Speaker 3: including Marion County. If law enforcement recommended that a local

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Speaker 3: government agency be allowed to regulate firearms, which is now

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Speaker 3: prohibited by the Preemption Act, then they could exempt themselves

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Speaker 3: from the preemption law, Marion County being first on the list.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure if that were there to ever pass, was

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Speaker 3: that ever going to see the light of day? No?

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Speaker 3: Was it a terrible bill? Yes, should Indianapolis and Fort

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Speaker 3: Wayne and Bloomington and Hammond and Evansville be allowed to

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Speaker 3: regulate firearms however they want to and own little bastions

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Speaker 3: of liberalism and anti constitutionality. No, of course they should not.

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Speaker 3: And that's what the preemption law is all about. And

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Speaker 3: so get these urgent emails, Well, it's all bs. These

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00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: people don't do anything they just except create videos and

778
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: solicit money, and they can't claim a single success story.

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00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: Look what we did for you. We wrote this bill

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Speaker 3: that's now the law of Indiana. They can't point to

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Speaker 3: any success stories except taking credit for what other people

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00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: have done and writing on the coattails of those of

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Speaker 3: us legitimately involved in the fight. Now you want to

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Speaker 3: attribute that to me saying because I have a quote

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Speaker 3: unquote rival organization the to a project, Hey, knock yourself out.

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Speaker 3: But we've got a long success story. I can tell

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Speaker 3: you a dozen bills that I've personally written or edited

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Speaker 3: and argued for that are now the law of the

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Speaker 3: state of Indiana. So you can't argue with success. You

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Speaker 3: can't argue with solid results. And it offends me when

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Speaker 3: people are simply trying to get their hands in your

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Speaker 3: pocket without delivering any effort, much less results. Let's take

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Speaker 3: a break, work at the quarter. Now you want to

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Speaker 3: join the discussion. We've had a couple of callers who

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Speaker 3: raised questions but didn't want to go on the air.

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Speaker 3: Would love to hear from you with your questions and

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Speaker 3: or comments. Give us a call. Three one seven two

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Speaker 3: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on the Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. And by the way, on

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Speaker 3: the YouTube chat, my buddy Sparks made a great point.

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Speaker 3: I was talking about, you know this scam organization, the

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Speaker 3: Indiana Firearms Coalition and SPARKS posted you put your money

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Speaker 3: where we'll do some good, and he mentions the Indiana

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Speaker 3: State Rifle and Pistol Association. I agree without one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Gun Owners of America. I agree with that one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Firearms Policy Coalition absolutely correct, and Second Amendment Foundation, yep,

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent. Each one of those sparks is one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent right. They're absolutely solid organizations that do a

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Speaker 3: lot of good for gun owners all across the country.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that breaks my heart about

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Speaker 3: this scam organization of Indiana Firearms Coalition being out there

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Speaker 3: and being such scoundrels really and such scam artists is

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Speaker 3: the name is deceptively similar to Firearms Policy Coalition. And

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Speaker 3: please don't get those two confused. It's the Indian Firearms

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Speaker 3: Coalition that are the door brothers and a scam artists,

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Speaker 3: and it's Firearms Policy Coalition, which is a national organization

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Speaker 3: that does great work. And listen, Second Amendment Foundation, gunn

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Speaker 3: rs of America, Firearms Policy Coalition, they they, in my mind,

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Speaker 3: have really stepped into the breach with NRA not being

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Speaker 3: as active nationally as we saw them be for a

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Speaker 3: lot of years, and Indiana's they were NRA, I should say,

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Speaker 3: has had a lot of its own internal distractions. They've

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Speaker 3: had a tunnel litigation, they had a total overhaul of

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Speaker 3: their management structure and their leadership, and that I think

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Speaker 3: they're on their way back. And I will continue to

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Speaker 3: say we need a strong, well financed, powerful NRA in

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Speaker 3: this country fighting for gun rights. But as NRA is

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Speaker 3: re establishing itself, I think in getting more active and

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Speaker 3: they and they certainly are now more active in litigation

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Speaker 3: and otherwise trying to protect gun rights time. Gun Owners

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Speaker 3: of America, fire Arms Policy Coalition and Second Amendment Foundation

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Speaker 3: have each done a really solid job in that area.

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Speaker 3: When you look at the litigation involving bump stocks, you

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Speaker 3: look at the litigation involving pistol braces, forced reset triggers,

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Speaker 3: and ghost guns, quote unquote, any number of other Second

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Speaker 3: Amendment issues where there have been successes in the courtroom

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Speaker 3: and in some cases injunctions being issued against the ATF

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Speaker 3: saying you cannot enforce some of these regulations too imposed

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Speaker 3: on gun owners because they either weren't passed in a

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Speaker 3: manner consistent with federal law, specifically the Administrative Procedures Act,

860
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Speaker 3: or they simply violate the Second Amendment and therefore are

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Speaker 3: void and unenforceable as being unconstitutional. Those results in the courtroom,

862
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Speaker 3: a lot of those have come from either Gun Owners

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Speaker 3: of America, Firearms Policy Coalition, or Second Amendment Foundation, or

864
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Speaker 3: some combination thereof, because they also team up well and

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00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: get a lot of solid success in that area. So

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Speaker 3: I'm a big I'm a member of all three of those,

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Speaker 3: as well as ISRPA here locally. So I agree with

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Speaker 3: Sparks completely, and I'm glad he mentioned each of those

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Speaker 3: organizations because they are absolutely rock solid. Let's shift gears

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Speaker 3: a little bit. An interesting situation is going on in

871
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Speaker 3: Colorado right now, and I only mention this because it

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00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 3: makes me laugh a little bit on how liberal politicians

873
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 3: can really twist themselves into intellectual pretzels when it comes

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Speaker 3: to constitutional rights, and especially where constitutional rights and the

875
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Speaker 3: Second Amendment are involved, and as as those issues intersect

876
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Speaker 3: with other matters of public policy, and what am I

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00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: getting too with that whole word salad right there? Well,

878
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Speaker 3: the eighteen different attorneys general across the country have apparently

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Speaker 3: teamed up to submit a brief a Friend of the

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Speaker 3: Court brief in the US versus Hamani case, which is

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Speaker 3: scheduled for oral argument. I believe on March sixth, if

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00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 3: I recall correctly, so it's coming right up next month

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Speaker 3: March second. I stand corrected. And this is the case

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Speaker 3: where mister Hamani was found in possession of a Gunno

885
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 3: search warrant was issued for his home. We had a

886
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 3: law enforcement agents show up find a nine millimeter pistol

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Speaker 3: and sixty grams of marijuana, and I believe some smaller

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00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 3: amount of cocaine was found as well. Well, he gets

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Speaker 3: prosecuted under the law that says, and this is USC

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Speaker 3: nine G three eighteen USC. Nine twenty two g is

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Speaker 3: where all the not all, but most of the federal

892
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Speaker 3: prohibitions of who cannot possess a firearm. That's where those are.

893
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Speaker 3: That's what nine twenty two G one is where felons

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Speaker 3: can't possess a firearm. That's expressed as people convicted of

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Speaker 3: a crime punishable by over one year. Well, that's how

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Speaker 3: we typically define felonies and and other prohibitions, like if

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Speaker 3: you're under domestic violence order of protection, you can't possess

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Speaker 3: a gun. Well, that's in eighteen USC nine twenty two

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Speaker 3: G as well well G three says you can't possess

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Speaker 3: a firearm if you're a user of or addicted to

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Speaker 3: an unlawful drug, and marijuana, as ridiculous as this is,

902
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Speaker 3: remains an unlawful drug at the federal level. In fact,

903
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Speaker 3: there's some talk and some effort at rescheduling it, but

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Speaker 3: right now it's a it's a It's at the top

905
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Speaker 3: of the list. It's in the schedule of drugs that

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Speaker 3: are the most harmon full and the most addictive with

907
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Speaker 3: the least medicinal value. So it's up there with heroin

908
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: and cocaine and methamphetamy and as ridiculous that is as

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Speaker 3: that is, and you've probably heard me say if you're

910
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Speaker 3: a listener of The Gun Guy Show for any length

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00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: of time, that marijuana and I discovered don't get along

912
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Speaker 3: all the way back in college. So it's not an

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Speaker 3: issue for me personally. It certainly is for some members

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Speaker 3: of my family. But notwithstanding the fact it's not an

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Speaker 3: issue for me personally, I still think that it's ludicrous.

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Speaker 3: As someone who's simply an occasional user of marijuana, which

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Speaker 3: is now legal in I'm pretty sure more than half

918
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Speaker 3: the states that'd be an easy quick Google search. I

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Speaker 3: believe it's the majority of the states have legalized marijuana

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Speaker 3: at the local level. The problem is with this federal

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Speaker 3: statute eighteen USC. Nine to twenty two G three is

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Speaker 3: that marijuana is still illegal at the federal level, and

923
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Speaker 3: until it's legalized the federal level, you essentially have to

924
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Speaker 3: choose between your Second Amendment rights your ability to use marijuana.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's completely ludicrous. I think it's ludicrous

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Speaker 3: in part because I've talked to a number of veterans

927
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Speaker 3: who say it's the very best treatment for their PTSD.

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Speaker 3: I've talked to a number of people, and I see

929
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Speaker 3: these people interviewed, and I read comments from people all

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Speaker 3: across the country who say it's one of the best

931
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Speaker 3: things for their pain management. I have a very good

932
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Speaker 3: friend who has severe stomach issues and he says marijuana

933
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Speaker 3: is one of the things that settles his stomach down.

934
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Speaker 3: And especially when you're talking about veterans with PTSD, that

935
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Speaker 3: apparently helps a lot. And I know that the pharmaceutical industry,

936
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Speaker 3: and I'm sure Eli Lilly has a tremendous impact here

937
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Speaker 3: in Indiana with the Lily Foundation, the amount of money

938
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Speaker 3: they have to throw around. I'm sure that their separate

939
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Speaker 3: lobbying efforts are very impactful to the Indiana legislature. But

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Speaker 3: it's ridiculous that marijuana is illegal at every level. And

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Speaker 3: I think it's ridiculous that while it's still illegal at

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Speaker 3: the federal level, it's scheduled as one of the most severe,

943
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Speaker 3: severely destructive, addictive, and non beneficial drugs that exist out there.

944
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Speaker 3: You're going to compare marijuana with methamphetamine. I think that's ludicrous,

945
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Speaker 3: and that to a large degree, is going to be

946
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Speaker 3: the point of the argument in this US versus Hamani

947
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Speaker 3: case when it gets argued. Mark second before the Supreme

948
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Speaker 3: Court is fully briefed. But as part of that, eighteen

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Speaker 3: state attorneys general submitted apparently a brief arguing in favor

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Speaker 3: of the law and why the law should be upheld

951
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Speaker 3: and not be found to be unconstitutional. But in doing that,

952
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Speaker 3: we saw an interesting disagreement between the attorney general the

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Speaker 3: state of Colorado and the governor of Colorado. And again

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Speaker 3: I just point this out. I mean a lot of

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Speaker 3: wacky things are going on in Colorado. They're out there

956
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Speaker 3: passing all kinds of gun control laws as hal open banned,

957
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Speaker 3: and on and on. But the Attorney General talked about

958
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Speaker 3: how it's necessary to maintain the law making it illegal

959
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Speaker 3: to possess a firearm even while a user of marijuana,

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Speaker 3: even an occasional user of marijuana. The law is broader

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Speaker 3: than saying, if you're actually under the influence of marijuana,

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Speaker 3: you can't possess a gun. No, no, no. If you

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Speaker 3: use marijuana a couple of times a week and it's

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Speaker 3: been three or four days since you've used marijuana, you

965
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Speaker 3: still cannot possess firearm. Because you're a user of a

966
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Speaker 3: consistent or habitual user of marijuana, you will get prosecuted.

967
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Speaker 3: That's exactly the situation with mister Hamani, whose cases before

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. And what's interesting is in this brief

969
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Speaker 3: that the Attorney General of Colorado signed onto it says, well,

970
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Speaker 3: the habitual drug use is associated with unique dangers when

971
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Speaker 3: combined with firearms, and the Second Amendment allows legislators to

972
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: confront shifting societal problems with new regulatory solutions. So in

973
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Speaker 3: the context of the Harmonic case, what he's saying is

974
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Speaker 3: that the use of marijuana is a quote unquote unique

975
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Speaker 3: danger when combined with firearms. And he's specifically calling the

976
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Speaker 3: use of marijuana as a shifting societal problem. And this

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Speaker 3: is in a state that was one of the very

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Speaker 3: first states to legalize marijuana. How can you have it

979
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Speaker 3: both ways? How can you say marijuana is so dangerous,

980
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 3: it's such a societal problem that someone should not be

981
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Speaker 3: allowed to exercise their constitutional right well using marijuana. At

982
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Speaker 3: the same time say it's safe enough that it ought

983
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Speaker 3: to be legalized and sold on every other street corner

984
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Speaker 3: in the city of Denver and everywhere else legally within

985
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Speaker 3: the state of Colorado. How can you say both things?

986
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Speaker 3: And as a chief law enforcement officers attorney general in

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01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: the state of California, excuse me, State of Colorado, how

988
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 3: do you square that circle? And what's interesting is the

989
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 3: governor out there, gentleman named paulus I believe maybe polists Polis.

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Speaker 3: He's actually calling for federal action to decriminalize marijuana so

991
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 3: as to bring federal law to be inconsistently to be

992
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 3: consistent with Colorado law. And he specifically mentioned the Second

993
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 3: Amendment issues. This is the governor, there's no reason that

994
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 3: someone should be banned from exercising their Second Amendment rights

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01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 3: simply because they use marijuana. So it's interesting because these

996
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 3: are both Democrats. I know Governor Paulis apparently from time

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01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: to time calls himself a libertarian. But I don't think

998
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 3: you can be a libertarian and sign all of the

999
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: gun control law that he's signed in along Colorado and

1000
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 3: that he is supported throughout his time in politics and Colorado.

1001
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 3: But I think it's interesting that you have this tension

1002
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Speaker 3: between the Attorney General and the governor on this issue,

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Speaker 3: because listen, if marijuana is so dangerous so as to

1004
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 3: make it necessary to prohibit people legally from exercising their

1005
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 3: Second Amendment rights if they're even an occasional user, and

1006
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 3: how can it be legal? That makes no sense to me.

1007
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 3: That's interesting. But as we get into this case, we'll

1008
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 3: talk more about those issues and how the Supreme Court

1009
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 3: is likely to deal with them. Right now, at their

1010
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Speaker 3: bottom of the hour, so we're taking a break, we

1011
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Speaker 3: haven't had any callers that wanted to go on the air.

1012
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 3: We've had some callers who just wanted to make a comment.

1013
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 3: In fact, gentlemen who just called to say nice things

1014
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 3: about the show. He was actually driving by the building,

1015
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: as I recall, and wanted to tell producer Gavin that

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Speaker 3: he was enjoying the show. Thank you very much, thank

1017
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 3: you for listening, and thank you for taking the effort

1018
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 3: to call in with nice words. But join the discussion.

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Speaker 3: Three one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three.

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Speaker 3: That's three one seven nine ninety three ninety three. This

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Speaker 3: is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety

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Speaker 3: three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: He's a Second Amendment attorney. He's an NRA certified firearms instructor.

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Speaker 1: He's the Gun Guy, Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Reli The Gun Guy Show

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Speaker 3: on ninety three WIBC. One thing I posted about I

1027
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 3: put it on both Twitter or x and Facebook earlier

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Speaker 3: this week, and that's that I went out to Wisconsin,

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Speaker 3: a suburb of Milwaukee and filmed an interview with a

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Speaker 3: gentleman named Rob Chadwick of US Concealed Carry Association. I

1031
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 3: went out there. It's probably been three or four weeks

1032
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 3: ago now, but I went out there. They flew me out.

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01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 3: I didn't actually pay me anything for going out there,

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01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 3: but they did pay for my travel and had a

1035
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 3: really nice dinner the night before. But I did an

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Speaker 3: interview with Rob Chadwick. And if you don't know that name,

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Speaker 3: Rob Chadwick is the director of Training and Education for

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Speaker 3: the US Concealed Carry Association and listen. I've been a

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Speaker 3: member of USCCA and had their insurance since twenty twelve,

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01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 3: so for quite some time full disclosure. They did for

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Speaker 3: a couple of years paid me. They paid me a

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Speaker 3: little bit of money to do a law of self

1043
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Speaker 3: defense seminar for them. I did three or four for them.

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Speaker 3: They paid me a little bit of money and essentially

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Speaker 3: it was me talking for forty five minutes or so

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Speaker 3: about the law of self defense and then they would

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Speaker 3: come in and sell you insurance, which was the idea

1048
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Speaker 3: of these meetings, and there was some compensation involved there.

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Speaker 3: So take my comments about USCCA as you will with

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Speaker 3: that in mind. But they haven't paid me any money

1051
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Speaker 3: in quite some time. But I flew out there and

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Speaker 3: I was happy to do this interview because Rob Chatwick

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Speaker 3: is a legitimate badass. And it was funny because I

1054
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Speaker 3: looked at his resume a little bit and we had

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Speaker 3: breakfast before we did this interview, and he goes, well,

1056
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Speaker 3: because I understand you're an instructor, like I'm an instructor,

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Speaker 3: and I think I said something like, yeah, I'm an instructor,

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Speaker 3: like you're an instructor, kind of how I'm a boxer.

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Speaker 3: How Mike Tyson's a boxer. You know, because I took

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Speaker 3: some some some hand to hand lessons a few years ago.

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Speaker 3: I don't compare those things. Rob Chadwick a former FBI sniper,

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Speaker 3: former FBI Hostage Rescue Team member, former FBI firearms instructor.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this guy's resume is just unbelievable. He's been there,

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Speaker 3: done that, and uh, yeah, I've been an instructor for

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Speaker 3: a long time. I think I'm pretty good at teaching

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Speaker 3: new shooters how to how to shoot handguns, rifles, and shotguns.

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Speaker 3: But that's kind of far afield from training the FBI

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Speaker 3: Hostage Rescue Team, one of the most elite hostage teams

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Speaker 3: Hosky Restage Teams in the known universe. And and and

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Speaker 3: Rob being a legitimate badass himself as now taking this

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Speaker 3: job after having retired from the FBI with a long

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Speaker 3: and storied career. There now director of Education and Training

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Speaker 3: at US and he has been interviewing lawyers for what

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Speaker 3: they call their Attorney Insider series and I think I

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Speaker 3: was the fourth or fifth one in this series where

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Speaker 3: they've brought in attorneys from around the country to talk

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Speaker 3: about Second Amendment issues, And of course I was honored

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Speaker 3: that they wanted me to come in because this they're

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Speaker 3: they're recording these interviews for a national audience, and there

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Speaker 3: are a whole lot of us CCA members. You do

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Speaker 3: have to be a us CCA member to watch these

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Speaker 3: videos on their website, But if you are a USCCA

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Speaker 3: member or if you're interested in joining, I've had their

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Speaker 3: carry insurance. I'm defending right now, gosh, four or five

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Speaker 3: different clients under uscca's coverage. In other words, people who

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Speaker 3: have used their guns in a self defense scenario but

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Speaker 3: are still getting sued or prosecuted as a result of that.

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Speaker 3: USCCA is paying their legal bills. I know, because they're

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Speaker 3: paying me my bills to defend these folks. So if

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Speaker 3: you're interested in joining, this isn't a sales pitch for them.

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Speaker 3: I'll leave that up to you. They have no relationship

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Speaker 3: with the show in terms of advertising or anything, but

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Speaker 3: if you are u s CCA member, you can go

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Speaker 3: in and watch us We talked about upcoming legal changes

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Speaker 3: in the area. The second amendments. We talked about prospects

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Speaker 3: for national Concealed Carry reciprocity, in this case, national Constitutional

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Speaker 3: Concealed Carry Reciprocity being passed. We talked about a lot

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Speaker 3: of the changes to NFA, including now free stamps for SBRs,

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Speaker 3: sbs and suppressors, other changes we'd like to see across

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Speaker 3: the country, a lot of different state court changes, and

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Speaker 3: any number of other issues. But if you're interested in that,

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Speaker 3: it was a I think an hour and fifteen minutes

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Speaker 3: or so. So we got into a lot of good stuff.

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Speaker 3: So USCCA members or if you'd like to join, check

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Speaker 3: that out at you CCA. I'll tell you what. A

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Speaker 3: couple of people have called in with questions or comments.

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Speaker 3: So let's go to the break here at the three

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Speaker 3: quarter hour and we come back. We'll have a couple

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Speaker 3: of callers here on the gun Guys Show on ninety

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Speaker 3: three WIBC. Guy Ralford for the Law Offices of Guy Ralford.

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Speaker 3: You know, one of the things we do at the

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Speaker 3: law office that really enjoy doing is restore people's rights

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Speaker 3: through expungements or other restoration procedures, and we'd love to

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Speaker 3: explore that opportunity for you. If that applies to you

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Speaker 3: or a friend, family member, loved one. Check us out

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Speaker 3: at Relford Law dot com. If you have an old

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Speaker 3: felony conviction that's preventing you from exercising your Second Amendment

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Speaker 3: rights for a lot of felonies, not all, certainly, but

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Speaker 3: for a lot. We can fix that for you and

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Speaker 3: restore your rights. So check us out again at Relfordlaw

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Speaker 3: dot com. You can just click on contact us, send

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Speaker 3: us an email or the phone numbers right there. You

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Speaker 3: and call us during the week and talk about whether

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Speaker 3: we can help you out with your Second Amendment issues

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Speaker 3: at Relford Law dot com.

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Speaker 1: Your rights, your responsibilities, your guns. This is the Gun

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Speaker 1: Guy with Guy Ralford on WYVC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: Show at ninety three WIBC. We're coming out of that

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Speaker 3: break and I can I can see producer Gavin and

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Speaker 3: the it's through a window. Now we're not in the

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Speaker 3: same room like we used to be in the old

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Speaker 3: studio and he was in there pushing buttons and he

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Speaker 3: had a what the hell look on his face. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: with the new studio, things just don't seem to cooperate

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Speaker 3: like they're supposed to, but Gavin's working hard to make

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Speaker 3: it work. Let's tell you what. Let's go to the

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Speaker 3: phone lines. We've got a couple of callers. I don't

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Speaker 3: know what their names are. Amy, awesome. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's go to line one. Welcome to the gun Guy show. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we got you what you got for us?

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is any uh God in Indiana. I am

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Speaker 4: under the belief that the castle doctrine also applies to

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Speaker 4: occupance the vehicles. Do I have that right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? The castle doctrine, which means you can use reasonable force,

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Speaker 3: including deadly force, to prevent an unlawful entry or attack

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Speaker 3: on your home unlawful entry or attack, also applies to

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Speaker 3: preventing an unlawful entry or attack on your occupied motor vehicle.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly why the law is written.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, I know you're involved in the case. Now,

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Speaker 4: I know you can't say much about it, but I

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Speaker 4: have heard you say previous shows that one does not

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Speaker 4: have to have to wait one one's home before his

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Speaker 4: door is breached before firing.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not correct. No, you can prevent an unlawful entry.

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Speaker 3: That that word is right in the statute. So they

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Speaker 3: don't have to be in your home because it says

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Speaker 3: prevent or terminate an unlawful entry. So someone breaks their

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Speaker 3: front window, they're just starting to step through the window.

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Speaker 3: They're not in your house yet, they're still on the

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Speaker 3: front porch. Can you prevent their unlawful entry with deadly force?

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Speaker 3: No question about it? And thanks so much for calling

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Speaker 3: the Gungay show about.

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Speaker 4: The car about the car vehicle?

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you that question about what I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, you mentioned earlier about someone with a baseball

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Speaker 4: act in the street. Try getting ready to break in

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Speaker 4: your driver's window. At what point is one allowed to

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Speaker 4: fire that return fire on that person? Do you have

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Speaker 4: to wait till you have glass in your face and

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Speaker 4: your eyes and you're blinded. At what point can you

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Speaker 4: return fire?

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Speaker 3: Well, the statue just says you have to have a

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Speaker 3: reasonable belief that you're preventing an unlawful entry. So I

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Speaker 3: can't tell you exactly how far his arm needs to

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Speaker 3: be cocked back before you swinging the tire iron at

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Speaker 3: your window the window. Doesn't a window have to be broken,

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Speaker 3: It doesn't say that you just have to have that

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Speaker 3: reasonable belief. So if you say, hey, the guy had

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Speaker 3: a tire iron in his hand. He's getting ready to

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Speaker 3: swing it to break my window. I believed I was

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Speaker 3: preventing an unlawful entry or attack on my vehicle. Prosecutor's

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Speaker 3: Office agrees with you on that. It's going to be

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Speaker 3: totally legal. And we got another caller. Let's go, I

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Speaker 3: think quickly here. We only got about a minute. Let's

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Speaker 3: go to our second caller. Hey, mister Elford Ryan Ryan,

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Speaker 3: which got for us?

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, Hey, So when it comes to NFA items One,

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Speaker 5: does a suppressor count on the entire length of the weapon?

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Speaker 5: I guess regarding a rifle, and for the barrel length,

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Speaker 5: I mean to be over sixteen inches and two. If

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Speaker 5: I were to manufacture a permanently affixed suppressor kind of

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Speaker 5: like an Integrill suppressed device, is that a one form

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Speaker 5: one suppressed I'm sorry, form one suppressor? Is it a

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Speaker 5: still a two stamp rifle?

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Speaker 3: I'll say what We'll look at about ten seconds here,

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Speaker 3: So let me just answer what I can quickly. A

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Speaker 3: suppressor does not count on your rifle length. That's without

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Speaker 3: any attachments. In fact, even your muzzle break if you

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Speaker 3: can unscrew it, unless as tacked and welded that's not

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Speaker 3: part of your overall length. And with that, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: We're at the top of the hour. We got to

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Speaker 3: take a break for this week's edition. Hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 3: it and hope you come back. This is Guy Ralford

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Speaker 3: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.