1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Line from ball Heartland and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 3: To achieve true justice for victims. To date, the significant 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 3: information that has come out has come from the Oversight 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: and Government Reform Committee as a result of its issuing 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 3: thirteen subpoenas. 7 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 4: We've released sixty five. 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: Thousand pages of documents from the Department of Justice, the 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: Epstein estate, which was not mentioned in the underlying legislation. 10 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 4: Former US attorney and others. 11 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 5: That is Virginia Fox, Republican, North Carolina speaking on the. 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: Floor of the Houses. 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 5: They are debating the release of the Epstein files happening 14 00:00:58,680 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 5: as we speak. 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: Tony Kunts, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you. 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 5: This is really about a discharge petition and whether or 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 5: not this information is going to get released with no reactions, 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 5: which I think is a mistake and we'll get into. 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 5: But you have on the other side of the aisle 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 5: Thomas Massey, the Republican from Kentucky, excoriating for Republicans for 21 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 5: not doing this earlier, and how dare you not seat 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 5: a representative Electrajalva out of Arizona for forty nine days? Well, 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 5: with all due respect, you understand that none of that mattered. 24 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 5: You had a shutdown you were dealing with, and that's 25 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 5: the excuse that the speaker used. Could he have sadder, Yeah, 26 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 5: he could have satder, but he chose not to apply 27 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 5: pressure to get the shutdown over with. And Thomas Massey's 28 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 5: words will fall very much on deaf ears in that regard. 29 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 5: But Massey, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Bobert, Nancy Mason, Nancy 30 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 5: Masa represented Mason, South Carolina, just spoke. 31 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: About her own victim is and about these women. 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 5: They want this release already, they want it now, and 33 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 5: Republicans absolutely did not move fast enough. That's my take 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 5: because we here have been saying quite clearly we want 35 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 5: to release We absolutely want to release these files. We 36 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 5: want to know who is involved, and people need to 37 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 5: be prosecuted. It's not enough just to say here you go, 38 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 5: who goes to jail? Because if people don't go to jail, 39 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 5: well then what. 40 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: Are we doing? 41 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:43,559 Speaker 5: So right now you've got Thomas Massey speaking and discussing 42 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 5: the legislation which is now a great part of this debate. 43 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 6: Our judicial system is broken. If it were working, there 44 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 6: wouldn't be a thousand victims who haven't seen justice yet. 45 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 6: They are victims of the Epstein class. I'd begrudge nobody 46 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 6: says that they become a billionaire. But if you think 47 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 6: being a billionaire or buying politicians keeps you out of 48 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 6: the judicial system, lets you rape young women, Lets you 49 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 6: traffic women. 50 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 4: On the got another thing coming when this bill passes. 51 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 4: Do not let the Senate muck this up. There have 52 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 4: already been. 53 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 6: Efforts that is derail this are our discharge petition. The 54 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 6: Oversight Committee has released thousands, tens. 55 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 4: Of thousands of documents. That's fine, keep working. How many 56 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: names have you released? 57 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: Zero? 58 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 6: You are still protecting or the DOJ is protecting pedophiles 59 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 6: and sex traffickers. 60 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 4: The time for that to stop is now now. Our 61 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: speaker says. 62 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 6: Oh, thisate, this bill needs him ended in the Senate. 63 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 6: And specifically, he's trying to create a loophole. He's trying 64 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 6: to categorize the pedophiles as victims. He's saying, oh, we 65 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 6: don't ambarrassed to people that went to the rape Island. 66 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 6: We should protect those names against unreliable accusations. Is he 67 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 6: calling all of these victims unreliable. They've testified to the FBI, 68 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 6: the FBI has these names in their possession. I asked 69 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 6: the FBI director in a hearing, have you looked at 70 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 6: the documents? No, he trusts everybody that's been there for decades. 71 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 4: That is wrong. Do not let the Senate muck this 72 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 4: bill up. 73 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 6: And if you are, if you're a party to that 74 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 6: in the Senate, you are part of this cover up 75 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 6: that we are trying to expose. No no, no, no, 76 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 6: no millionaire donor no no. 77 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 4: Because he went to rape island and. 78 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 5: Anybody who was on the island, you want to throw 79 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 5: them in jail, go right ahead, Representative Massy. But if 80 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 5: the argument is you need to redact the names of 81 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 5: victims who might not want to be made famous, then 82 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 5: do that. The discharge petition doesn't. That's a flaw. And 83 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 5: you tell me I'm wrong for that. You've got a 84 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 5: Helen A Ham. Just who do you think you are? 85 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 5: You ain't the toughest guy in the room. I've seen 86 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 5: you in a vest. By the way, he is wearing 87 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 5: a three piece suit and the gray vest underneath. And 88 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 5: I don't think it goes But this isn't the fashion police. 89 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 5: This is rationality. You don't expose victims who don't want 90 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 5: to be exposed, and you don't think of yourself. 91 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: As somehow moral or pious because you're doing it. Is 92 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: this going to get screwed up in the Senate. 93 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 5: It's going to get changed in the Senate because you're 94 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 5: not engaging the protections justice. 95 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 7: You should be with that. 96 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 5: But I will appreciate the idea of pushing to make 97 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 5: sure these files get released. And absolutely the move from 98 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 5: President Trump to say release the files changes a. 99 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: Lot of things in a lot of good ways. 100 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 5: Yes, and the President got moved to releasing the files 101 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 5: because he was wrong to begin with when he said 102 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 5: it didn't matter, when he said, this is just a hoax, 103 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 5: when he said, why are you bothering with this? He 104 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 5: was wrong, that's all. He misread the He misread the party. 105 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 5: And then you had the influencers, anybody who will do 106 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 5: anything Donald Trump says and believe it. 107 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we shouldn't release this. 108 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 5: President Trump says, it's a hoax. It doesn't matter why 109 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 5: you're paying attention to this. They were all wrong, every 110 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 5: single one of them was wrong. The American people were right. 111 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 5: People in the political right got told Yeah, you were 112 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 5: told about EV's seen you talked about Epstein, but it 113 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 5: turns out it never mattered and you don't care about this, 114 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 5: And the people were like, oh, yes we do, and 115 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 5: we don't care who you are, how many followers you 116 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 5: have or anything else. 117 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: No, no, no, we're right, we are right. Release the files. 118 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 5: You got to release them in a way that makes sense. 119 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 5: Can't victimize people a second time just because you're going 120 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 5: to prove that they can be released. I want to 121 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 5: know who was involved, so do you can't we know 122 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 5: that in a right way. Now they've got Democrats talking 123 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 5: truth and transparency for the American people. 124 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 8: Now, Republican leaders in this host lost control of the story. 125 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 8: They lost the ability to hide behind percept, and they 126 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 8: lost the luxury of pretending that they were ever on 127 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 8: the right side. The American people see it, survivors see 128 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 8: it in history, will see it. 129 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 7: And listening to the speaker of. 130 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 8: The House's press conference today, I mean it sounds like 131 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 8: he basically wants to kill this whole thing. 132 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 133 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 5: That is a lie from a governed the Democrat, flat 134 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 5: out lie. 135 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: I listened to it. I'll share it with you. 136 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 8: In the next Hourvivors want what an awful, awful thing 137 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 8: to do so. 138 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 7: Let us release the files. 139 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 8: Let's give survivors the transparency they've long been denied. 140 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: Let us this is ignorantly stupid of. 141 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 7: Him, billionaire eliefs who think they can. 142 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 5: You think this is about Republican versus Democrat, and you're 143 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 5: continuing it. 144 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: And let's remember place at Hell for stuff like this. 145 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 8: We had to be dragged here under duress, and who 146 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 8: stood up from day one demanding the truth and with 147 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 8: that year. 148 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 9: Back, gross members are reminded of strengths from engaging in 149 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 9: personalities towards the president. 150 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Coming yields back. The gentle lady from North Carolina is recognized. 151 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 4: Thank you, mister speaker. 152 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: Mister Speaker, those of us who did not sign the 153 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: discharge petition are just as concerned about the victims or 154 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: as some are calling them, survivors, as our colleagues who signed. 155 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 4: The discharge petition. 156 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 3: We share contempt for anyone who abused anyone else. I've 157 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: stood on this floor many times, mister Speaker, to speak 158 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 3: out for victims and survivors of people who have been abused, 159 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: and against anyone who breaks the law or takes advantage 160 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: of an innocent person. So this is Virginia Fox be 161 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 3: characterized as insensitive to that. 162 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 5: She is a Republican from North Carolina. Speaking about the 163 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 5: position of this is about what the discharge petition does. 164 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: Now. 165 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 5: A discharge petition is a petition if signed by a 166 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 5: large enough group, it avoids all the normal channels of 167 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 5: legislation getting to the floor for a vote, and bring 168 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 5: them to a vote immediately. 169 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: The problem with this discharge petition is. 170 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 5: I've been stating, is that it's going to let loose 171 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 5: a whole bunch of information, doesn't redact anything. It's a problem. 172 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 5: It's a legitimate, legitimate problem. Being asked in the chat, 173 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 5: why does it need a vote? The release of the 174 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 5: files does indeed need a vote? Now, I think the 175 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 5: question you might be asking is, well, can't the president 176 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 5: just release this information? 177 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: One could argue yes. 178 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 5: One could also argue that there is a system by 179 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 5: which you go about the engaging of releasing of things 180 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 5: that have been involved in or currently possibly in investigation, 181 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 5: and that's where the congressional approval comes into play. All 182 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 5: that said, the push for the discharge petition I believe 183 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 5: is a mistake. The release of the files, I believe 184 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 5: is necessary. More is coming up. Keep it here. 185 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Kats and this is Tony Kats today. 186 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 10: The forty three days shutdown and now it's Epstein. And 187 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 10: by the way, by the way, the same party that 188 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 10: did all that, they were also the ones who were 189 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 10: texting with mister Epstein during a hearing where Michael Cohen 190 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 10: was their witness in another. 191 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 4: Effort to go after the president. 192 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 5: That is Jim Jordan being absolutely correct. Where were Democrats 193 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 5: to do this over the last four years? And we're 194 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 5: lease the Epstein files? This is the House debate about 195 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 5: calling the vote to release the files. Tony Katz, Tony 196 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 5: Kats today, I'm bringing you everything. And Jim Jordan's saying 197 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 5: where were you? Well, you didn't do it because you 198 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 5: knew that you were. Some of your people are in there. 199 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: As a matter of. 200 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 5: Fact, your people were talking to Jeffrey Epstein during hearings. 201 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 5: That's Delegate Stacey Plaskett of the US Virgin Islands who 202 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 5: was texting with Jeffrey Epstein during a hearing where Michael Cohen, 203 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 5: the fixer, the guy who went to jail for trying 204 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 5: to bribe Nike. I believe it was or no way 205 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 5: it was that the other guy. I don't know he tried. 206 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 5: He brought somebody. Wait, who is the guy bald Guy 207 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 5: Abnetti Abinadi, the lawyer for Storry Daniels. 208 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: He was the one trying to bribe people. Michael Cohen 209 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: was just. 210 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 5: A yuts and so he is testifying and Stacey Plaskett, 211 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 5: the delegate from the US Virgin Islands, is texting with 212 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein and gaining advice from him on what to ask. 213 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 5: These people don't care about Epstein. They care about Trump 214 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 5: and attacking Trump. We care about getting data who was 215 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 5: involved in abusing young girls? And when do they go 216 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 5: to jail? His argument is correct. Let's bring it back 217 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 5: to Congressman Jim. 218 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 4: Jordanstein to miss Maxwell. 219 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 10: When the Democrats released it, they redacted the victim's name, 220 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 10: something we all support, something everyone supports, except except in 221 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 10: this case, no court had ordered that name redacted, no 222 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 10: agency had redacted it, and the estate didn't redact it. 223 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 10: And the victim had already went public. So why black 224 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 10: out her name? Why black out her name? Because she 225 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 10: had said in her book and had testified underwrote that 226 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 10: she never saw any wrongdoing by President Trump. 227 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 5: He's talking about Virgina Giffrey, who has since passed away 228 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 5: a victim, the one you see in the photos with 229 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 5: the former Prince Andrew where Democrats said, look at this 230 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 5: email that Jeffrey Abssey mentions Trump and oh my gosh, 231 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 5: look go damning. But they redacted her name, even though 232 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 5: she was already known to be a victim, and she 233 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 5: has already on the record said we never had any 234 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 5: interactions with Trump ever. 235 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: Ever. 236 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 10: Ever, their position, their position cover up the names of 237 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 10: people who are already public, but don't worry about other 238 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 10: innocent people who the court said should remain private. 239 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: He's right, gosh. 240 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 10: I think the American people see through it. They see 241 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 10: through what the Democrats are doing. The American people know. 242 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: What this is. 243 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 10: They know Democrats have nothing else to run on because 244 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 10: of the success of this administration. So I say, let's 245 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 10: vote yes on this resolution, and then let's get focused 246 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 10: on making sure we're doing what the American families elected 247 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 10: us to do. 248 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 9: With that, I reserve the Omen reserves the gentleman from 249 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 9: Maryland thousand time. 250 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: I consume, okay, the. 251 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: General's reconize, do not run off the road, and do 252 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: not throw anything. 253 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 11: It's Jamie Raskin, mister Coan, and mister Massey all introduced 254 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 11: their discharge petition, perhaps the most famous discharge petition in 255 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 11: American history. The People's House unites across party line to draw. 256 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: A moral line. 257 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 11: We draw a line against the rape and sexual violation 258 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 11: of children good. We draw a line against the global 259 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 11: criminal trafficking of girls and young women to service the 260 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 11: pleasure of rich and powerful men believe they are beyond 261 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 11: all law and all morality. We draw a line to 262 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 11: put the voices of the victims and the survivors first. 263 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 11: We asked the Senate to join us without changes, rather 264 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 11: than obstruct this bill with dilatory amendments, legislative graffiti, and 265 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 11: self dealing million dollar jackpot provisions for lucky senators just 266 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 11: past the bill. 267 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: We're finally voting because. 268 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 11: The bipartisan discharge petition, led by Representatives Massey and Kannon, 269 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 11: signed by two hundred and eighteen of US, overthrew the 270 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 11: determined obstruction of the Speaker. This horse vote means the 271 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 11: House will no longer acquiesce in this astonishing real time 272 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 11: cover up. 273 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: This is why everyone hates Congress. 274 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 12: Global sex trafficking and child rape ring that has ravaged 275 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 12: the lives of more than a thousand girls and young women. 276 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 12: We're here today because these victims, these survivors, these citizens, 277 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 12: these inspiring women who have come to Washington are demanding 278 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 12: nothing less than justice and the complete truth about who 279 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 12: is responsible for their vicious abuse, including those responsible for 280 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 12: enabling it, ignoring it, bank rolling it, and covering it up. 281 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 7: We join them. 282 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 11: Today in rejecting any more dangerous lies about the crimes 283 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 11: they suffered. No, child sex abuse is not a hoax. 284 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: No, it never was a hoax. 285 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 5: President Trump was wrong to call the Jeffrey Epstein conversation 286 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 5: a hoax. He hurt his own cause here. But dear 287 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 5: lord making this political. When you sit there and claim 288 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 5: that it's about women and it's about children, and it's 289 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 5: about a better America and it's about holding people to account. 290 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: That's not what you're saying. 291 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 5: Representative Raskin, we see you, we hear you, and we're like, 292 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 5: my god, do you suck. You're engaged in a conversation 293 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 5: of value, and you can't do it in a valuable way. 294 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 5: The Republican Party. Trump, I should say, definitely through the 295 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 5: wrench in here. He didn't have to say what he said. 296 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 5: He didn't have to do it. He didn't have to 297 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 5: say it didn't matter. It did matter, and it always mattered. 298 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 5: And you gave them this ammunition that they're using today. 299 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 5: You gave it to them. But Raskin will never look 300 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 5: at all the Democrats that are involved, and we are 301 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 5: interested in looking at everybody who's involved and figuring out. 302 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: Who has to go to jail. That's the difference. 303 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 5: That's the difference between you and Raskin, you and the Progressives. 304 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 5: You can't sit idly by and watch this happen, and 305 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 5: he can say, how does this hurt Trump? He's doing 306 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 5: it right now, bringing up Trump's first second trafic Health 307 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 5: and Human Service. 308 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 11: Brought down the entire criminal network. And with that, I'm 309 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 11: gonna yield. I'll reserve the balance of my time. 310 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: The gentleman reserves the gentleman from Ohio. 311 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 10: Making Miss Speaker, I yield four minutes to distinguished Chair 312 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 10: of the House Oversight Committee, mister Comer, and the gentleman 313 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 10: from Kentucky. 314 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 9: The gentleman from Kentucky is recognized, Thank you, Mitch Speaker, 315 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 9: as Chairman of the House Oversight Committee. 316 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 13: I've always believed that sunshine is the best disinfected. For years, 317 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 13: the American people have demanded transparency about Jeffrey Epstein and 318 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 13: Gleame Maxwell's horrific crimes and about the federal government's failure 319 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 13: to protect the victims. The House Oversight Committee is conducting 320 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 13: a thorough review of the federal government's investigation into Epstein. 321 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 13: Our work goes far beyond the legislation before us today. 322 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 13: We are committed to accountability, transparency, and justice for the 323 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 13: American people and for the survivors of these appalling crimes. 324 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 13: To date, the Oversight Committee has released more than sixty 325 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 13: five thousand pages of documents, issued thirteen subpoenas, and conducted 326 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 13: interviews with two key witnesses, both of whom were Republicans. 327 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 13: The Trump administration has provided US with Department of Justice 328 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 13: materials and access to suspicious activity reports. Unfortunately, throughout this investigation, 329 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 13: Democrats have chosen to manufacture yet another anti Trump hoax. 330 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 13: Instead of pursuing justice, they have mischaracterized witness testimony and 331 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 13: selectively released documents complete with targeted redactions in an effort 332 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 13: to smear President Trump. For example, Truvor US Attorney General 333 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 13: Bill Barr, who oversaw the twenty nineteen Epstein investigation, stated 334 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 13: clearly under oath that the prosecution team faiund no evidence 335 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 13: that President Trump committed wrongdoing. 336 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 5: Despite this, it is absolutely true that so much of 337 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 5: what the Democrats have put forth is this Trump derangement 338 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 5: syndrome conversation. And the reason that I want to share 339 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 5: this as it's going on is a it's important to 340 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 5: hear what they're saying, so you always have the baseline, 341 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 5: you know exactly what happened. We can't come together to 342 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 5: go after child sex traffickers. 343 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: That's broken. This is Tony Cox today, House cover up. 344 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 14: Now, now we know that Donald Trump has tried everything 345 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 14: to kill our Jeffrey Epstein investigation and he's failed, and. 346 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 2: Now he's panicking. 347 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 14: He's about to lose his Epstein vote to force a 348 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 14: Department of j just to release the files. 349 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 5: And that is the Democrat Representative Garcia saying Trump has 350 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 5: lost his bid to hide all the Epstein files and 351 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 5: now this vote is going to happen. Let me tell you, 352 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 5: Donald Trump is the worst king in history. Tony Katz, 353 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 5: Tony Katts today, good to be with you. They are 354 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 5: debating the vote the discharge petition, and all the Democrats 355 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 5: can say is what is Trump hiding and what is 356 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 5: Pam BONDI hiding. Allow me to be clear. I think 357 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 5: Pam Bondy has done a terrible job as Attorney General. 358 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 5: I'm very disappointed. We have no major moves, we have 359 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 5: no understanding of things that happened during the Biden years. 360 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: Nothing. 361 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 5: All she did was hand out some binders of nonsense 362 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 5: to some so called influencers. 363 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: She has not done the job. She hasn't. 364 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 5: I'm not happy with Cash Pateel or Dan Bongino because 365 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 5: I don't think they've done enough. Now I would probably 366 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 5: learn that, my gosh, you have no idea. What's stacked 367 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 5: up against us? Results? We want to see. We want 368 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 5: to know all these people are involved in all these 369 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 5: criminal activities and all of these subversions of America. What 370 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 5: is it that's going to happen. We want the data. 371 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 5: So the Democrats will continue to rail about Trump. The 372 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 5: Republicans keep discussing this, and where the Republicans are right 373 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 5: now is that they do not favor what's known as 374 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 5: the discharge petition. They have at least explained to President 375 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 5: Trump enough or Trump has realized that America wants this 376 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 5: information and let's go to work. And President Trump through 377 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 5: his own calling this a hoax has created this problem 378 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 5: for himself. That's just fact. He hit it wrong. It 379 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 5: he read the room wrong. It's very rare for him. 380 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 5: And this is the result America wants to know. But 381 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 5: the discharge petition does not protect what they're What Democrats 382 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 5: are referring to a survivors, which is fine by me. 383 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 5: It's a fine a term. It doesn't protect these women. 384 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 5: It doesn't redact their names. Doesn't redact names of people 385 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 5: who are clearly innocent, even though they might have been 386 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 5: named by Epstein. That's meaningless. 387 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: What matters is. 388 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 5: Whether or not you're involved in abuse. So the discharge 389 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 5: petition doesn't protect. What Republicans are saying is we shouldn't 390 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 5: do it this way. We should do it so their 391 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 5: names are redacted. Democrats are saying, what Trump got to hide? 392 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 5: Why is he hiding so much? I said earlier, this 393 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 5: is why people hate Congress. 394 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: This is it. 395 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 5: This is why they hate and speaking of hate, Representative 396 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 5: Promila Jaia Paul. 397 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 15: Sons of girls, children were abused by Jeffrey Epstein and 398 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 15: his massive and powerful ring of pedophiles and protectors of pedophiles. 399 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 4: We can't say. 400 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 15: All their names here. We don't have time, but bring 401 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 15: a few of the courageous survivors and their names onto 402 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 15: the House floor right here as we debate this. Haley Robson, 403 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 15: Jenna Lisa Jones, Michelle Licata, Ashley Rubright, Annie Farmer, Marina Leserta. 404 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: People were abuse. Justice for them toosentative. 405 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 15: These women have carried a burden that they never should 406 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 15: have had to bear, and today they demand we demand, 407 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 15: the American people demand that we answer their clarion call 408 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 15: to justice. Today, despite all the giant cover up attempts 409 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 15: by this administration and this Speaker of the House, we 410 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 15: will vote to release all the Epstein files. To be clear, 411 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 15: there is no protection for pedophiles, no protection for the 412 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 15: rich and powerful men of either party who participated, who 413 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 15: turned a blind eye, who winked and grinned while witnessing 414 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 15: the horrific abuses of young children. 415 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 4: Release the damn files. 416 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 5: Now, we reserve the gentleman reserves seem to really care 417 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 5: about women, except for the women you're going to out 418 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 5: who don't want to be out. 419 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: With gentlemen from North Carolina. 420 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 5: And it's sometimes hard to believe we're actually part of 421 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 5: the support. 422 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 16: Of this effort specifically to bring justice to the victims 423 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 16: of this horrific series of crimes. However, I have worked 424 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 16: behind the scenes to raise concerns with this petition as 425 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 16: it is currently drafted. Specifically, I believe that there is 426 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 16: grave risk at harming innocent people, and I repeat harming 427 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 16: innocent people. When innocent people are harmed, that is not 428 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 16: furthering justice. With an investigation of this size and a 429 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 16: file that is as large as the Epstein files and 430 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 16: as poorly defined as that is in this petition, there 431 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 16: will invariably be people who are released pursuing to this 432 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 16: discharge petition who had nothing to do with criminal activity. Imagine, 433 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 16: if you will, a bellman, a waiter, some type of dorman, 434 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 16: a mere social attendee who had no impact whatsoever on 435 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 16: the criminal activities of Jeffrey Epstein, no participation. Their lives 436 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 16: are forever ruined. And I'm reading specifically from the petition's 437 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 16: language that prohibited grounds for withholding information in this file 438 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 16: are embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity. And I would 439 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 16: just submit if you were going to be embarrassed, if 440 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 16: you were going to suffer, suffer social harm, and that 441 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 16: is all of the encompass activity that you were part 442 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 16: of you will be named in this petition, and I 443 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 16: resent that innocent people should not be harmed when we 444 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 16: are pursuing justice. I understand the political nature of this petition. 445 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 16: I resent the fact that there was not room for 446 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 16: good faith amendments, and I urged the Senate to protect 447 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 16: innocent people. 448 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 2: I yeel back. 449 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: They're admitting that the House is going up Maryland. 450 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: That's what that was. If you didn't. 451 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 12: Catch that to the distingusion generally from it was an. 452 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 5: It was an admission that the House is going to 453 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 5: pass this discharge petition. This is happening. Now it goes 454 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 5: to the Senate, and the Senate's gonna. 455 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: Say you're not protecting these people, You're crazy. 456 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 5: And the frustration will only grow and that's just so ugly. 457 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 5: I sometimes in these moments when these things are happening, 458 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 5: and I do like to share them, I do debate 459 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 5: whether or not, like like is it overkills? 460 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 2: Is it too much? 461 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 5: And part of me is just, you know, you really 462 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 5: need to you really need to to kind of hear 463 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 5: it for yourself. And part of the argument, because I 464 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 5: got asked earlier, does this even need to vote? 465 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: Could Trump just release things? Uh? 466 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 5: There are subpoenas, and he hasn't followed the subpoena. The 467 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 5: the the end result, because I think if they want 468 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 5: to place some of this on Trump, they more than 469 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 5: they can. Again, he did a little bit of this 470 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 5: to himself. But the overarching of you didn't care about. 471 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: Any of this. You had all the opportunity in the world, 472 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: you didn't. This is all political for you. 473 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 5: This is all political, every last bit of it, no 474 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 5: part of it. Do I believe that the political left 475 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 5: in the main as a party cares about Congressman Ship 476 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 5: Roy of Texas now getting recognized in spe heareman. 477 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 17: Today, a United Republican Party and a bipartisan super majority 478 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 17: is going to pass a bill to increase transparency regarding 479 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 17: the egregious abuses by Jeffrey Epstein, a goal that anyone 480 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 17: of conscious desires, that is in totality and important statement 481 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 17: to check the rich and the powerful. Remember how we got. 482 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 4: Here after decades. 483 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 17: It was President Trump's Department of Justice that indicted Jeffrey 484 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 17: Epstein in July twenty nineteen, indicted Ms. 485 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 4: Maxwell. 486 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 17: It was the Republican led Oversight Committee, through thirteen subpoenas 487 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 17: that has really sixty five thousand pages of files in 488 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 17: just ten months. Meanwhile, my colleagues the other side of 489 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 17: the aisle have largely ignored this issue. It was Democrats 490 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 17: who were dacted in an email to mislead the American 491 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 17: people about the truth of a witness that exonerated President Trump. 492 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 17: It was a Democrat representative plas said, who literally texted 493 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 17: with Jeffrey Epstein as we question Michael Cohen. It was 494 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 17: Democrats who shut down the government, resulting in the delay 495 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 17: of swearing into members. As we vote to pass this legislation, 496 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 17: and it will pass. It is impossible, however, to avoid 497 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 17: problems with its politicization. One colleague has offensively gone so 498 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 17: far as to say that to oppose this bill means 499 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 17: you support pedophiles. Yet I know good public servants, former 500 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 17: law enforcement, former prosecutors who never knew Epstein, never knew 501 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 17: any visitors to his criminal enterprise, who have genuine concerns 502 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 17: about supporting this bill out of fear of creating new 503 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 17: victims or harming existing victims, or both. 504 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: That is what we've produced. 505 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 17: Congress to inserting itself into the prostutorial process for political 506 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 17: motivations driven heavily by hatred of President Trump. We should 507 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 17: be concerned about victim privacy, concerned about risking disclosure of 508 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 17: non credible allegations of child sexual abuse materials, future investigations. 509 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 17: But here's the deal. The leaders of this nation must 510 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 17: expose abuses by the rich and the powerful. That is 511 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 17: why President Trump and the House have been working for 512 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 17: full transparency. But we should be motivated by truth and 513 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 17: justice for all, not politics. 514 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 5: I yell back, They're going to continue the debate. 515 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 2: I will take the quick break. 516 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 5: And then something that happens in the conversation between President 517 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 5: Trump and Mohammad Binsamon, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, 518 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 5: and a question that was asked that I thought was 519 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 5: more about September eleventh. No, no, no, I miss something. 520 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 5: Let me go and correct the record. 521 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 2: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today. 522 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 5: This discharge petition will pass the House. Tony Katz, Tony 523 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 5: Kats today, and the legislation will pass and go to 524 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 5: the Senate regarding the release of the Epstein files. 525 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: And there they will say you can't release. 526 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 5: The names of women who don't want their identity out, 527 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 5: and Democratic will scream you're engaging a cover up for Trump. 528 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 5: I will say it one more time. This is why 529 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 5: people hate Congress. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, guys, a 530 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 5: pleasure to be with you. Find everything at Tony kats 531 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 5: dot com. Appreciate everybody who's a part of the livestream, YouTube, 532 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 5: dot com, slash, Tony Katz, Facebook, Tony Katz Radio and Twitter. 533 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: Ex Tony Katz. 534 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 5: A correction because I thought a conversation with September about 535 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 5: September eleventh, and I was incorrect, and at the as 536 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 5: we were heading to break, I said it was a 537 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 5: conversation about on Non Koshogi. No, it was a conversation 538 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 5: about Jamal Koshogi. On Non Koshogi was an arms dealer, 539 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 5: Saudi billionaire died in twenty seventeen. 540 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: Jamal Kashogi. 541 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 5: Was the quote unquote journalist for the Washington Post who 542 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 5: was killed by the Saudis. If I remember the story right, 543 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 5: he was not only killed in a hotel, this took 544 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 5: place in It was not It was at the Saudi 545 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 5: consulate in Istanbul. He was then dismembered and put into 546 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 5: a suitcase. And so the question was asked by ABC 547 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 5: News and Trump was prey disgusted, with the question, why 548 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 5: are you embarrassing my guest? 549 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: But this was the exchange. 550 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 3: I is an. 551 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 4: Appropriate, mister President, for your family to be doing. 552 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 14: Business in Saudi Arabia while you're president? 553 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 2: Is that a conflict of interest? And your Royal highness? 554 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 14: The US Intelligence concluded that you orchestrated the brutal murder 555 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 14: of a journalist. 556 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: Note eleven families are. 557 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 14: Furious that you are here in the old office. Watched 558 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 14: America for you and the same cham as who you were. 559 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: How would ABC News serve with who acws? 560 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 6: Sir? 561 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 2: Fake news? 562 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 18: ABC fakeness. One of the worst, one of the worst 563 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 18: in the business. 564 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: But I'll ask you a question. 565 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 18: I have nothing to do with a family business. I 566 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 18: have left and when I've devoted one hundred percent of 567 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 18: my energy, what my family does is fine. They do 568 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 18: business all over. They've done very little with Saudi Arabia. 569 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 18: Actually they could. I'm sure they could do a lot, 570 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 18: and anything they've done has been very good. That's what 571 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 18: we've done. We've built a tremendous business. For a long time. 572 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 18: I've been very successful. I decided to leave that success 573 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 18: fee behind and make America very successful. And I've made 574 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 18: America more successful by far than it ever was, and 575 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 18: that it ever could have been no matter who was president, 576 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 18: there would be nobody bringing in twenty one trillion dollars. 577 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 18: That I can tell you right now. 578 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 5: So he then goes on too, I don't know why 579 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 5: you have to embarrass him like that, And he goes 580 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 5: on to answer a question, answer the question regarding September eleventh, 581 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 5: and I said at the time that I thought his 582 00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 5: answer was. 583 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: Very, very good. I don't know if it's believed. 584 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 5: You know, Osama bin Lauden worked through Saudi Arabia to 585 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 5: create a wedge between Saudi Arabia and the United States, 586 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 5: and we need to better our systems and ensure this 587 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 5: never happens again. And it's a well prepared answer, But 588 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 5: I don't know if I believe that totally. But the 589 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 5: Koshogi question, first, I want to be clear. I said 590 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 5: this then and i'll say it now. I never consider 591 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 5: Jamal Koshogi a journalist, and I don't think he should 592 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 5: ever be given that distinction. 593 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: So it wasn't a journalist that said. 594 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 5: It's certainly cleared, it is certainly a legitimate argument that 595 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 5: the Saudis did this. They did they did this they 596 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 5: did kill him, They did this member him, They did 597 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 5: put him in a suitcase and drag him out. Our 598 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 5: problem is that we have to often deal with awful. 599 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 2: If we did not deal with awful, which you can 600 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 2: make an argument for. I please don't think of this as. 601 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 5: Me excusing anything I said of the Saudis. I started 602 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 5: with this that when September eleventh occurred, I don't care 603 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 5: what kind of relationship we had and oil prices, this, 604 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 5: that and the other. We should have told the Saudis, 605 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 5: you have to pick seventeen members of the royal family, 606 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 5: execute them live in front of cameras so the world 607 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 5: can see it. Or we'll come in and we'll pick 608 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 5: the seventeen members. But seventeen people in your family are dying. 609 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 5: That's what you get. 610 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 2: I wasn't able. 611 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 5: I knew I wouldn't be able to get person for 612 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 5: person retribution. Someone has to pay the price for what 613 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 5: was done here. I started with that, But I deal 614 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 5: in the re world. If we didn't deal with people 615 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 5: who were awful, we wouldn't allow China to sell anything here, 616 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 5: and we would never sell anything in China. 617 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 2: That's reality. But we do. We deal with people who 618 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 2: are awful, and it is, I agree, awful. 619 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,439 Speaker 5: But if Trump could get Saudi Arabia to be part 620 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 5: of the Abraham Accords, further isolating and then eliminating the 621 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 5: Iotola and the regime in Iran, and engaging a level 622 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 5: of greater peace in the end of terrorism against well 623 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 5: all free and thinking people. 624 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 2: That's good. 625 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 5: That's dealing with reality as it is the fact that 626 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 5: nine to eleven families are upset, I wholeheartedly agree, and they. 627 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: Have every right to be. 628 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 5: This is what makes leadership so dang difficult in a 629 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 5: lot of ways. 630 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 2: One man's take, keep it here. This is Tony Kats today.