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Speaker 1: Why from ball Hartbeyer and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. Greetings, this is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: I am not Tony Katz. I am Mike Coolidge, an

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Speaker 2: old radio friend of mister Katz, not that old. We're

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Speaker 2: approximately the same age, mister Katz and I I'm honored

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Speaker 2: to be joining you, outstanding Tony Katz listeners throughout these

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Speaker 2: United States of America, thrilled to be back on the

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Speaker 2: radio airwaves. For these next three hours. We'll get into

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Speaker 2: who I am and why you should care or maybe

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Speaker 2: not care as the show develops. But I gotta say something.

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Speaker 2: Something's happened in this country over the last couple of days,

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Speaker 2: and really it's gained a lot of steam, I feel

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Speaker 2: like in the last twenty four hours, and this whole

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Speaker 2: show will not be about this again as the show develops.

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Speaker 2: We actually have a guest coming on later who will

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Speaker 2: dive into this topic on But this Arena Zurutska murder

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Speaker 2: in Charlotte is so awful. But I have a feeling

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Speaker 2: like so many awful things that have happened in this country,

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Speaker 2: like so many awful tragedies. Over time, there will be

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Speaker 2: positive to come out of this. She will not have

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Speaker 2: died in vain. This senseless, gruesome murder that this man

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Speaker 2: did to her. He took her life. And so many

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Speaker 2: of you have probably watched the first video that was

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Speaker 2: second part of the video was released, you could watch

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Speaker 2: it on x Some parts of it you see him

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Speaker 2: actually striking her. I think the most emotional thing that

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Speaker 2: because I don't think it dawned on her right away.

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Speaker 2: She just kind of like, you know, cringed in her

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Speaker 2: But then I think it dawned on her that she's wounded,

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Speaker 2: mortally wounded, and then she slunk into the chair and

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Speaker 2: that's been discussed online, a lot of discussion about it.

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Speaker 2: People are so angry about this particular murder. Something struck

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Speaker 2: and we're not going to go back. We're going to

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Speaker 2: bring some sense of goodness to this awful, evil act.

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Speaker 2: There's got to be some good that we'll come out

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Speaker 2: we're going to gonna we're gonna not get as serious

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Speaker 2: as that awful, senseless murder of Arena Zarutska. And uh,

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Speaker 2: and let's not forget her name either, I would like

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Speaker 2: And I think one of the positive things about this

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Speaker 2: Arena Zerutska. And yeah, I even looked up because I've

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Speaker 2: seen her name being pronounced different ways. I put it

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Speaker 2: into groc. What's the correct way to pronounce pronounce it?

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Speaker 2: According to Groc, It's Arena Arena Zarutska. And we'll talk

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Speaker 2: in a positive way in the future. But I'm going

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Speaker 2: to shift gears here and talk about something that I

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Speaker 2: know you Tony Kats today listeners love talking about, and

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Speaker 2: that is politics and where things are going in the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six midterms and then of course the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty eight presidential election. Trigger warning here, you might not

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Speaker 2: the air. I apologize, and I hope Tony doesn't get

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Speaker 2: and that is Kamala Harris. That's right, Kamala Harris is

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Speaker 2: moments from today, days from today, and more excerpts have

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Speaker 2: But before we talk about that, I want to remind you,

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Speaker 2: And how do we say letting criminals out on no

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Speaker 2: cash bell? Where does she stand on cash bell? I'm

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Speaker 2: effect officially permanently, quote unquote in twenty twenty three by

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Speaker 2: our terrible and I mean terrible Governor JB. Pritzker. And

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Speaker 2: the short explanation of it basically is that you, as

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Speaker 2: a perpetrator, can commit various violent acts, including murder itself,

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Speaker 2: and if a judge deems that you're not a threat

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Speaker 2: as you await trial. And numerous violent acts, including murders,

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Speaker 2: have occurred by perpetrators who have not been held in

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Speaker 2: what happens they commit more crimes. Did show you the

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Speaker 2: absolute idiocy of a law like this. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: similar law passed in New York. We copied it in Illinois.

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Speaker 2: I think California has a similar law. Other idiotic jurisdictions

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Speaker 2: So it used to be pre trial confinement. What do

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Speaker 3: We will eliminate the death penalty, we will eliminate private prisons,

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Speaker 3: eliminate cash bail. I've been a leader on that in

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Speaker 3: the United States Senate. Cash bail is not only a

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Speaker 3: criminal justice issue, it's an economic justice issue, meaning people

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Speaker 2: So these yes, so the perpetrators. That's what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: The perpetrators. We got to think and put their needs first,

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Speaker 2: forget about the victims. The craziest situation that the Safety

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Speaker 2: that's what the what the young people call that these days.

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Speaker 2: And a judge can decide if you're arrested and you go,

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Speaker 2: so you have you've not shown that you're going to

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Speaker 2: you would the judge could decide, you know what, the

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Speaker 2: trash about Miss Kamala Harris and you want. There is

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Speaker 2: She would have passed terrible and I mean terrible laws

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Speaker 2: This kind of mindset would have been throughout the country

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Speaker 2: nothing worse, but we would have seen multiple, multiple acts

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm pleading craziness. No, it doesn't matter what your

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Speaker 2: And that is not happening in states like the state

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Mike. It's an absolute pleasure. I think

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Speaker 5: I see AOC's name out there a lot, and you

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Speaker 5: obviously see the Mandani success in New York, and I,

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Speaker 5: you know, I see tendencies that they're leaning further left.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that there's any chance of having a

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Speaker 5: national support if that's the direction they go. But based

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Speaker 5: on the evidence that I've seen, I don't know that

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Speaker 5: there's anything that's going.

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Speaker 6: To stop them.

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Speaker 2: Here's my prediction, and i'd like you to hear your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on on this. The left is so still obsessed

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Speaker 2: with identitarianism. They still are so focused on people's skin

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Speaker 2: color and their races. And also they are way more

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Speaker 2: That's why I can you know, I'm not I don't

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Speaker 2: use this as a as a vindictive I it's it's

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Speaker 2: a it's a or invictive I should say it is

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Speaker 2: a it's accurate to call them the Democrat Party because

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Speaker 2: they're not democratic. They have the super delegates and the

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Speaker 2: you know, party leaders deciding things. Heck, they didn't even

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Speaker 2: have a primary last year for president, which which it's

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Speaker 2: glossed over and not even talked about in this In

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Speaker 2: this you know kerfuffle with Kamala Harris today, she never

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Speaker 2: apologizes for that or any of the leaders do. But

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Speaker 2: I don't think that they are going to allow I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about the Democrat powers that be. They're not going

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Speaker 2: to allow a woman at the top of the ticket

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Speaker 2: because they don't want to lose three times in a

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Speaker 2: row with a female at the top or not in

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Speaker 2: a row. But yeah, because Hillary lost and Kamo lost

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Speaker 2: and they don't want a woman at the top. I

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Speaker 2: also don't think that they're going to allow again, just

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Speaker 2: talking about the Democrats here, Pete Bouta Judge. He is gay,

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Speaker 2: openly obviously, and I don't think they're going to allow

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Speaker 2: an effeminate man. And I don't even think that Pete

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Speaker 2: Booda Judge is necessarily effeminate, but the fact that he's

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Speaker 2: gay is going to turn certain members of the Democrat

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Speaker 2: base off, just a small chunk, but enough to switch

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Speaker 2: an election. And they're also not going to allow an

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Speaker 2: effeminate man. So that rules out Tim Walls and arguably

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Speaker 2: Corey Booker. So I don't think either of those guys

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Speaker 2: are going to be at the top of the tickets. So,

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Speaker 2: and there's also a strain and a significant strain of

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism on the left, and I don't think they're

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Speaker 2: going to accept a Jewish man on the ticket. That

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Speaker 2: rules out Shapiro and yes JB. Pritzker, Pritzkrew's Jewish. So

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Speaker 2: I think it is going to be a man, a

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Speaker 2: masculine man, quote unquote and his masculine as Democrats can get.

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Speaker 2: And that gets you to Wes Moore and yes, Gavin Newsom,

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Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break, and I want

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Speaker 2: to hear Ellie's thoughts on that that that's going to

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Speaker 2: be the ticket one of those two after this on

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, I am Mike Coolidge in for Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: Contact Tony Kats at Tony Katz on X, contact me

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Speaker 2: at Coolidge K O O l I DGE and you

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Speaker 2: can also contact our guest or follow. I should say

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Speaker 2: our guest, Ellie Buffkin at Ellie Underscore Buffkin b F

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Speaker 2: K I, and this is Tony Kats today. We'll be

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Speaker 2: right back. We're back on Tony Katz today. I am

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Speaker 2: Mike Coolidge filling in for mister Katz. Coolidge is spelled

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Speaker 2: with they K. Tony Katz dot com is the website

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Speaker 2: O L I d G E. Ellie Buffkin, we have

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Speaker 2: about two minutes. Why am I wrong that the ticket

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Speaker 2: is going to consist for Democrats? In twenty twenty eight

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Speaker 2: of Gavin Newsom and Wes Moore.

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Speaker 5: I just don't think that they are doing enough to

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Speaker 5: show a broad, big tent Democrats party that they have

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Speaker 5: the power to win an election against somebody who is

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Speaker 5: anointed by Donald Trump. Now, whether or not that means

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Speaker 5: it's going to be a JD. Vance ticket or a

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Speaker 5: Marco Rubio ticket, you know, this is all also up

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Speaker 5: for discussion.

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Speaker 2: Well, Advance end Rubio, he could be, could be.

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Speaker 5: I think that right now, even people who are very

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Speaker 5: critical of the president see that he's doing things that

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Speaker 5: are actually making difference. Again, you can argue with what

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Speaker 5: he's done, but when a president actually affects real change

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Speaker 5: that you can see, for instance, what's going on in DC.

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Speaker 5: The biggest Trump critics are walking around the city now

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Speaker 5: and they're saying, well, I do see a lot less

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Speaker 5: of these sort of lifestyle crimes, the things that make

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Speaker 5: me nervous to walk to my car. I'm not really

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Speaker 5: seeing that much right now. And when you have people

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Speaker 5: like Wes Moore, who in my city says we don't

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Speaker 5: have a crime problem, Well, I own a home in

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Speaker 5: South Baltimore and I'm telling you, first fan, that is

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Speaker 5: not true. We have businesses that have shut down for

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Speaker 5: years and are still vacant because nobody wants to open

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Speaker 5: there because there's swarms of kids that just went around

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Speaker 5: and stealed from them and it's not worth it for

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Speaker 5: them to stay open.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: That's not a gun crime, which Wes Moore seems to

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Speaker 5: think is the only problem in Baltimore. That's a lifestyle crime.

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Speaker 5: That's the kind of thing that drives value down, that

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Speaker 5: kills businesses, that makes people not want to move there.

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Speaker 2: These are the types of things.

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Speaker 5: That are rauting are major American cities, and people like

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Speaker 5: Westmore and Gavin Newsom have not identified this, and this

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Speaker 5: is why they have such an enormous problem on the

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Speaker 5: national level with people in the center, and both of

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Speaker 5: those people have done a lot to erode the support

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Speaker 5: and confidence of people who are driven by family values.

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Speaker 5: You see a lot of movement towards conservativism in the

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Speaker 5: Hispanic community, in the Black community, because there's a lot

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Speaker 5: more adherence to family values. And even though they don't

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Speaker 5: agree with everything that they see on a conservative ticket,

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Speaker 5: they definitely don't agree with a lot that they're seeing

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Speaker 5: that's very, very vocal and very palpable on the labe.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely agree I absolutely agree. We unfortunately have a

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Speaker 2: heart out here. Thank you so much, Ellie Buffin for

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Speaker 2: coming on to Tony Katz today. I am Mike Coolidge.

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Speaker 2: We will be right back.

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Speaker 1: Why from Vall Hartliner and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Cats Today.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it is Tony Kats today. I am not

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz. I am Mike Coolidge, old radio friend of

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Speaker 2: Tony Cats. Tony Katz dot com is the website. Tony

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Speaker 2: CATS's X handle is Tony Katz. My ex handle is

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Speaker 2: Coolidge K O O L I D G E. I

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Speaker 2: occasionally watch Tony Kats Today on the old interwebs, sometimes

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Speaker 2: on YouTube, sometimes on Facebook, and he has a great

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Speaker 2: video feed of him smoking cigars and showing video clips,

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Speaker 2: often sometimes going to the White House live. I think

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Speaker 2: he did that yesterday. We're not on video here, so

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Speaker 2: you can not see my extremely handsome mug, but if

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Speaker 2: you want to see what I look like, you know.

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Speaker 2: I grew up listening to Rush Limbaugh. May he rest

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Speaker 2: in peace. I was a Rush baby late eighties, early nineties,

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Speaker 2: started really getting into him when he started blowing up.

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Speaker 2: Listening to him all throughout college, listened to him really

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Speaker 2: all the way through his death in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe he is no longer with us. But

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Speaker 2: this is the time slot in the middle of the day.

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Speaker 2: Every single day I would listen to Rush, and he

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Speaker 2: became like a friend, even though I never met him

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Speaker 2: in person. I was in the same room with him twice,

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Speaker 2: but didn't ever shake his hand, didn't ever meet him,

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Speaker 2: but I felt like he was a friend. I myself

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Speaker 2: hosted my own radio show for about fifteen years regionally syndicated,

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Speaker 2: very similar to Tony Katz actually, and enjoyed it immensely.

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Speaker 2: And that's something I always tried to do, was develop

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Speaker 2: a friendship and a relationship with my listeners, even though

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Speaker 2: I never met most of them. I'd i'd meet them,

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Speaker 2: you know, in person on occasion when we'd have events

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Speaker 2: and we would do remotes, and I know Tony does

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Speaker 2: that kind of awesome stuff as well. So you've met

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Speaker 2: Tony many times, like me, I hope you have, but

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Speaker 2: many of you have not and will never, let's say,

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Speaker 2: but you still consider him a friend, you still consider

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Speaker 2: him a part of your life. That's something that is

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Speaker 2: special about radio, about over the air radio, which is

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Speaker 2: what we're doing right now. This is not a podcast.

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Speaker 2: Podcasting is great. I have a podcast. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people have podcasts, and I know that's like the new

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Speaker 2: thing everyone's doing. And it's not an either either or.

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Speaker 2: But many podcasters, in fact, I would say most of

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Speaker 2: the biggest podcasters in the world have never been on

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Speaker 2: or have had a regular daily radio show over the air.

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Speaker 2: No internet needed. Although a lot of you consume it

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Speaker 2: on the internet, you can listen to it in your car,

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Speaker 2: you can listen to it on your old transistor radio.

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Speaker 2: You have this habit of listening to the show every

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Speaker 2: day and it's part of your life, and that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: And please the ads you hear during the breaks, please

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Speaker 2: patronize those businesses. Please buy the cigars that Tony promotes

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Speaker 2: on his show. It's what makes this show free for

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Speaker 2: you and the person sitting next to you. If you're

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Speaker 2: so lucky enough to have a person sitting next to

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Speaker 2: you while that are listening to this radio show. I

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Speaker 2: we'll get into the arena Zarutska, senseless, awful, tragic murder

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Speaker 2: that occurred in Charlotte, North Carolina, that the whole world

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Speaker 2: is talking about. We're going to get into it later

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Speaker 2: on this hour with our guest. If you listened to

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Speaker 2: the first hour, we had one of my old radio

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Speaker 2: friends similar to Tony Kats, Ellie Buffkin. This hour, we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk later on with Mark Hemingway. Mark Hemingway,

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Speaker 2: who used to be a regular in my show. I

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Speaker 2: believe he's come on a Tony's show as well, and

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Speaker 2: he is going to get into how the media has

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Speaker 2: covered this awful, senseless act. But I started the show

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Speaker 2: talking about how something's changed and you kind of see

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Speaker 2: it in the town hall of the United States of

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Speaker 2: America known as X. Matt Walsh tweeted this last night,

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Speaker 2: and Elon Musk retweeted it with a simple one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Here's the post. This image the image of Marina Zurutska

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Speaker 2: who was murdered by this animal. I'm going to call

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Speaker 2: him an animal. He deserves no respect, he deserves no pronoun,

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Speaker 2: he deserves no description. And I'm not going to say

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Speaker 2: his name either. I don't think Tony does that. I

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Speaker 2: going to do it, but Tony, I'm sorry. Matt Walsh

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Speaker 2: posted this this image of the woman crouching down in

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Speaker 2: the seat after this awful cretan, this miscreant stabbed her.

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Speaker 2: This image will define the new civil rights movement. We

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Speaker 2: have a right to use public accommodations without being butchered

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Speaker 2: in our seats. We have a right to safe communities

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Speaker 2: where violent animals are rounded up and caged. This is

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Speaker 2: not just a local it's a civil rights issue. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it is a civil rights issue. There's a piece by

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Speaker 2: A toxic empathy with miscreants and victim quote unquote groups

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Speaker 2: has wrecked liberals moral compass. In this piece titled why

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Speaker 2: the media ignored the North Carolina train murder, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to read a section of it. A brutal murder on

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Speaker 2: a train in Charlotte, North Carolina has shocked social media users,

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Speaker 2: but only it seemed, it seems those on the right.

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Speaker 2: And that is because, despite the horrific video of the

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Speaker 2: attack on a defenseless young woman going viral, much of

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Speaker 2: the mainstream American media did not deign to cover the story. Why,

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Speaker 2: I submit it is because the perpetrator, a homeless, mentally

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Speaker 2: ill African American man with a history of repeat offending

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Speaker 2: belongs to one of the liberal media's victim identity groups.

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Speaker 2: He is therefore beyond criticism or at the very least

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Speaker 2: an awkward case to discuss, given he may well have

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Speaker 2: been roaming the streets because of the witless, soft on

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Speaker 2: crime policies of today's liberals. Indeed, in January, a North

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Speaker 2: Carolina magistrate judge allowed Brown to remain free on a

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Speaker 2: written promise that he would return for his next court appearance.

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Speaker 2: According to The Daily Mail, a written promise let free.

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Speaker 2: The footage recorded on twenty two August shows Arena Zarutska

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Speaker 2: boarding a train in Charlotte after finishing a shift at

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Speaker 2: the pizzeria where she works. She takes a seat in

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Speaker 2: front of a man identified as I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: say his name. Moments later, he takes out a knife,

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Speaker 2: stands up behind her, raises his arm to attack as

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Speaker 2: she sits with her back to him, completely unaware. After

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Speaker 2: he stabs her, Brown is then shown walking down the

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Speaker 2: aisle of the train, the perpetrator leaving a trail of

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Speaker 2: blood as he goes. Sirrutska died at the scene. She

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Speaker 2: was twenty three years old and had fled Ukraine for

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Speaker 2: safety in the US after the Russian invasion in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two. Sarrutska's terrible and senseless murder has further revealed

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Speaker 2: just how divided the United States is. Liberal progressives and

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Speaker 2: conservative right wingers are now not just politically alienated from

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Speaker 2: one another, they also live in two separate realities, with

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Speaker 2: worldviews that are fed by two entirely different eco systems.

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Speaker 2: As many including Elon Musk, have commented on Ek, the

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Speaker 2: lack of coverage in the national papers stood in stark

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Speaker 2: contrast to the feverish reporting on similar incidents in which

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Speaker 2: the victim was black. I don't know how much similar

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Speaker 2: incidents there were, honestly to this where the victim was

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Speaker 2: black and the perpetrator was someone who is not the

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Speaker 2: same race. I mean, people immediately go to the Derek

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Speaker 2: Chauvin and George Floyd I hesitate to even I know

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Speaker 2: that he was convicted of murder, but when you delve

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Speaker 2: into the details of that, I don't think in my

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Speaker 2: opinion that that is personally what happened there. But that,

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Speaker 2: of course turned into an absolute fee in the United

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Speaker 2: States and turned into this insanity that resulted in stuff

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Speaker 2: like the Safety Act in the state that I happen

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Speaker 2: to make my home in Illinois. That leads to yes,

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Speaker 2: people like this perpetrator committing a violent act and going

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Speaker 2: to a judge and in a pre trial hearing, the

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Speaker 2: judge says, E you can stay out, you don't have

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Speaker 2: you need to have prechriald can find, in other words,

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Speaker 2: jail and do you just promise to come back for

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Speaker 2: your trial? Sure? Well, in this case, the perpetrator of

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Speaker 2: this murder had fourteen prior convictions, not arrests, convictions, and

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Speaker 2: he was still out on the street. And you know

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Speaker 2: this idea. People have said, we need more policing, Yes

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Speaker 2: we do. We need to treat the mentally ill better,

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Speaker 2: Yes we do, I guess, but that's not what happened here.

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Speaker 2: Policing wasn't the problem here. The problem here was that

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Speaker 2: this awful animal was out on the streets when he

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Speaker 2: should have been in jail. We had reason to put

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Speaker 2: him in jail fourteen times, and a slack, witless, toothless

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Speaker 2: judicial system in North Carolina, specifically Charlotte, North Carolina, a

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Speaker 2: Democrat run city, decided to let him out, and Arena

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Speaker 2: Zarutzka is no longer alive because of that terribly awful,

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Speaker 2: stupid decision. Back to this piece. After days of social commentary,

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Speaker 2: some mainstream outlets did decide to cover the reaction to

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Speaker 2: the event, but not the event itself. They effectively dismissed

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Speaker 2: the actual murder as a crime story of local interest only.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't just a crime story. Zutka's Zerutska's brutal

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Speaker 2: killing was notable for multiple reasons. It was caught on video.

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Speaker 2: She was a young refugee who came to America for

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Speaker 2: a better life, and her alleged attacker had over ten

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Speaker 2: prior convictions. I read it was fourteen, and that's that's

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Speaker 2: accurate to say he had over ten, but I read

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Speaker 2: it was up to fourteen, including assault, shoplifting, breaking and answering,

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Speaker 2: and a five year prison sentence for bank robbery. Furthermore,

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Speaker 2: it's now emerged at the judge who released him did

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Speaker 2: not have a law degree. Yeah, Jesse Waters had a

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Speaker 2: piece about this on his show. I think it was

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Speaker 2: the last night of the night before. She didn't have

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Speaker 2: a lot of degree. She was literally a Dei like expert,

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Speaker 2: not just a da Dei hire, a Dei expert like.

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Speaker 2: That was her area of expertise, and she was a

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Speaker 2: quote unquote judge. It is perfectly fair to add ask

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Speaker 2: why this man was free to do what he did.

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Speaker 2: The mainstream liberal media have dodged such questions by claiming

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Speaker 2: the murder is being politically and racially exploited. CNN played

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Speaker 2: a clip of conservative Trump supporter Charlie Kirk discussing the murder,

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Speaker 2: with a talking head noting archly that Kirk said white

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Speaker 2: a lot. A police in Politico said that President Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump and Maga Allieres are using the killing of Arena

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Speaker 2: Zarutska to attack Democrats. An Axiost published a piece with

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Speaker 2: the headline stabbing video fuels Maga crime message. It asserted

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Speaker 2: that Democrats have accurately pointed out that violent crime rates

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Speaker 2: have been decreasing since three pandemic highs. There they go

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Speaker 2: again with their little fact checks, which completely failed to

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Speaker 2: separate the forest from the trees. Zarutzka's murder has shown

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Speaker 2: how liberal's toxic phony empathy leads to a lack of

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Speaker 2: genuine empathy. Charlotte's Democrat mayor vy Lyles gave a statement

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Speaker 2: in which he did not mention Drudsko by name. Quote,

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Speaker 2: this is a tragic situation that sheds light on problems

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Speaker 2: with society safety nets related to mental health care and

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Speaker 2: the systems that should be in place. She said, we

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Speaker 2: will never arrest our way out of issues such as

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Speaker 2: homelessness and mental health end quote. Some progressives even set

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Speaker 2: up a go fund Me for Zarutska's alleged killer to

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Speaker 2: raise money for his legal bills. It states that the

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Speaker 2: killer was just the victim of a pro conjudicial system.

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Speaker 2: This response is not a surprise. Time and again, Democrats

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Speaker 2: and their supporters have failed to condemn even the most

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Speaker 2: vicious crimes. If the perpetrator belongs to one of their

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Speaker 2: special identity categories, they will fail to condemn it. Just

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Speaker 2: last month, Democrat Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frye spoke about protecting

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Speaker 2: the ahem trans community after a young man who had

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Speaker 2: been identified as a trans woman killed two children as

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Speaker 2: they were praying inside a Catholic church and wounded countless others.

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Speaker 2: It is as if America's liberals think they must save

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Speaker 2: each and every miscreant if he or she belongs to

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Speaker 2: a sacred minority group, and not even the barbaric murder

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Speaker 2: of an innocent woman coming home from work will stand

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Speaker 2: in their way. That's Jenny Holland in Spiked Online why

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Speaker 2: the media ignored the North Carolina train murderer. We'll were

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Speaker 2: at back on Tony Katz today. This is Mike Coolidge

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Speaker 2: filling in for Tony Katz. I'm at koo l a

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Speaker 2: dge on ex Tony is at Tony Cat and of

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Speaker 2: course go to Tonykatz dot com for more about Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today. Stay with us. We're back on the Tony

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Speaker 2: Cats today. It's not the Tony Cats today, it's Tony

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Speaker 2: Casts today. But I am not Tony Cats. I am

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Speaker 2: Mike Coolidge. I used to have a radio program called

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Speaker 2: the Michael Coolidge Show, which is why I started at

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Speaker 2: with the force of habit. I ended my show Gosh

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Speaker 2: two short years ago to run for Congress, and I

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Speaker 2: was not successful in my run for Congress. Who was

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Speaker 2: the midterms of twenty twenty two the red mid wave

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Speaker 2: that was not And I, rather than go back on

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Speaker 2: the radio, continued to stay and remain in politics. And

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Speaker 2: I'm doing everything I can to make this particular midterm

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Speaker 2: election a red wave. That's what I do for a

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Speaker 2: living off the air, and who knows, maybe I'll find

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Speaker 2: my way back on the air someday. But I do

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Speaker 2: enjoy filling in for the great Tony Kats. Tony and

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Speaker 2: I go back, gosh, at least a decade, maybe more

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Speaker 2: decade and a half met at the First Sea Pack.

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Speaker 2: I think he went to twenty ten or so twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: Richard Dreyfus was there, crazy, crazy times. But Tony's an

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Speaker 2: awesome guy, and I thank you for listening to Tony

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Speaker 2: Kats Today. Today Today, Whoopy Goldberg on the View said

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Speaker 2: the following about, well, let's just play the clip.

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Speaker 7: You know, look, oh young woman is dead. Let's let's

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Speaker 7: take that into mind, into consideration. And yes, a man

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Speaker 7: who should have been behind bars was loose and out.

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Speaker 2: Well, well he listened.

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Speaker 7: He was a schizophrenic man. His mother begged them to

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Speaker 7: take him and put him away. So stop politicizing this.

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Speaker 2: This is not political.

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Speaker 7: This has to do with how we take care of

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Speaker 7: our sick Americans when they are in need.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean exactly, to politicize something? I mean,

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Speaker 2: was George Floyd's death politicized? What is politics anyway? It's

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Speaker 2: enacting policies, right, It's ultimately acting enacting policy. This is

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Speaker 2: a phrase I used to say, I'm my sh other.

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Speaker 2: The most important thing about politics is policies. What policies

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Speaker 2: are enacted or removed that respect people's rights and are

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Speaker 2: for the betterment of societies. And there are terrible, terrible

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Speaker 2: policies in the city of Charlotte, in the city of Chicago,

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Speaker 2: the largest city in the Midwest, and where I happen

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Speaker 2: to live, you know, an hour away from that need

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Speaker 2: to change that. Yes, can prevent senseless, terrible, tragic murders

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Speaker 2: like that of Arena Zurutski from occurring. So yes, we

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Speaker 2: will absolutely continue to talk about it. Whoopee, so that

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Speaker 2: those policies can change. We'll We're back on Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: today with Mark Hemingway. This is Mike Coolidge. That's spelled

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Speaker 2: with a K. Don't go anywhere. We're back on Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today. I am Mike Coolidge filling in for mister Katz.

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Speaker 2: You can reach Tony Katz, of course, at Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: on X or on Tony Katz dot com. I can

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Speaker 2: be reached at Coolidge k O O L I DGE.

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Speaker 2: Our next guest can be reached at heminator h G

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Speaker 2: M I N at O R on X senior writer

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Speaker 2: at Real Clear Investigations, the one and only Mark Hemingway. Mark,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back onto the radio airwaves of the Midwest, United States.

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Speaker 8: Hey, glad to hear you back on the air as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's been a it's been a fun hour and

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Speaker 2: a half or so, right smack dab in the middle

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Speaker 2: of Tony Katz today. And we've tried to try to

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Speaker 2: lighten things up here and there. But obviously the story

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Speaker 2: that continues to dominate the nation really is this terrible

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Speaker 2: murder of Arena Zurutski in Charlotte, North Carolina. And we

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Speaker 2: covered some of the policy aspects of it already and

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Speaker 2: some of the terrible policies that led to this even

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Speaker 2: being able to occur, like cashless fail. But I wanted

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Speaker 2: to bring you on to get your take on how

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Speaker 2: the media has been covering this or not been covering it. Well,

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Speaker 2: how do you think of that that that's been going

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Speaker 2: Mark Hemingway.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's pretty remarkable to the extent of the media

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Speaker 8: have covered it and a lot of them have just

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Speaker 8: simply ignored it. I don't think you've seen anything about

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Speaker 8: it on the major television Networkshit or anything like that.

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Speaker 8: But you know, from to the extent that cable news

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Speaker 8: and newspapers have covered it, you know, CNN, you know,

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Speaker 8: New York Times, Politico, all of those, All the way

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Speaker 8: that those publications have covered it have covered it from

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Speaker 8: basically the exact same angle, which is that this is

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Speaker 8: a thing that once again that Republicans are quote unquote

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Speaker 8: seizing on or pouncing on or whatever, and they are

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Speaker 8: trying to use this tragedy, you know, to you know.

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Speaker 2: For political gain.

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Speaker 8: And oh, by the way, if you're noticing that crime

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Speaker 8: is a problem, you might be racist. And it's kind

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Speaker 8: of you know, it's just follows sort of a predictable

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Speaker 8: pattern of you know, I think that there's a real

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Speaker 8: sense out there now that this is a politically crime

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Speaker 8: has become a politically potent issue. And when you think

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Speaker 8: about how this killing came on the back of, you know,

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Speaker 8: the the crime surge in DC where you know, Trump

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Speaker 8: called out the National Garden stuff. The Democrats are really

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Speaker 8: trying to make an issue out of them, Well, this

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Speaker 8: is looming fascism. The level of crime doesn't really dictate

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Speaker 8: any of this, and then all of a sudden, this

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Speaker 8: crime and Charlotte comes on.

857
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: That's so horrifying.

858
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 8: You know, it seems to erase, you know, any sort

859
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 8: of argument that they were trying to make, So they're

860
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 8: desperate to make this go away.

861
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 2: It's so sad and to keep hearing people. We played

862
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: a clip before he came on of Whoope Goldberg whining

863
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: on the view about how this is political, Like why

864
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: are people trying to politicize this? Literally every single news

865
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: event that occurs, the media, the left, the Democrats like it,

866
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: Everything is looked at through a political lens, like, how

867
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: does this help democrats? Well, if it doesn't help democrats

868
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: are just not going to report on it. And if

869
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: it gets to a place where we just have to

870
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: report on it because the presidents, let's say, talking about it,

871
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: or it's become such an issue that we just can't

872
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: ignore it or we look completely out of touch, well

873
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: then we're going to spin it as some sort of

874
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: right wing thing, which is what many outlets have done CNN,

875
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: you know, the least of which you know, calling the

876
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: commenting on how the right has characterized this and how

877
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: they're trying to use it as some sort of you know,

878
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: policy discussion. Well, yes, of course, it's got to be

879
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: a political slash policy discussion, because there's policies that existed

880
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: that if they were different, maybe this could have not occurred.

881
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: And so, you know, how do we drive that discussion

882
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: to say, yes, laws need to change, no, cash bail

883
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: needs to change. We have it in Illinois, in the

884
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: whole state, not just in Chicago, where you know I

885
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: live not too far from and I know you and

886
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: your family make your home not too far away from Washington,

887
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: d C. Or and are in DC a lot. You know,

888
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: the changes in how crime is treated, not just by

889
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: the police, but by the judicial system does make a

890
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: difference in people's safety. I mean, I'm sure you and

891
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: your family whenever you're traveling in DC, if you ever

892
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: dare to take public transportation, are worried about how crime

893
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:27,959
Speaker 2: is treated there.

894
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, look it's really simple. Look, if you have

895
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 8: a senseless murder once in a while, you know that

896
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 8: is you know, certainly murder's part of the human condition.

897
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 8: We're probably never going to stop that from happening completely.

898
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 8: But if you have a situation where someone is arrested

899
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 8: fourteen times prior they commit a senseless murder and.

900
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: Conducted ten times over ten times of those fourteen times.

901
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 8: Right, and he was, you know, prone to violence and

902
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 8: other things like that. That becomes a political question because

903
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 8: clearly that is a policy failure. This murder could have

904
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 8: been prevented, and you know, you can't just you know

905
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 8: decide that you know, crime is you know, a freak

906
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 8: occurrence when it suits you, and that it's a policy

907
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 8: issue when you know it went and then and it's

908
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 8: not a policy issue you know, when it does ensuit you.

909
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 8: So it's really something I think is obvious to address.

910
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 8: And there's also like something else that's going on here,

911
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 8: which is that there has been a ten year push

912
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 8: in this country by some of the biggest figures in

913
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 8: the you know, Democrat mega donors like George Sorows to

914
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 8: elect progressive das to major cities all around America, you know,

915
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 8: in in addition to George Soros. So it's a great

916
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 8: report out in the Washington pre beacondated about something called

917
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 8: the ren Collective that was funded by other left wing

918
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 8: billionaires and donors, where what they did is when they

919
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 8: elected a new progressive DA they would show up with

920
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 8: model policies for things like cashless bail and how to

921
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 8: prosecute police and all these other things that were like

922
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 8: left wing priorities, and it would just arrived with you know,

923
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 8: lockstock and Barrel, with all of the tools and financial

924
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 8: support they needed to do these things. And they weren't

925
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 8: even charging them for their services. They were even providing

926
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 8: crisis communications services for these progressive das when inevitably their

927
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 8: policies went wrong. And you know, this was a big

928
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 8: political project to get to this point where you could

929
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 8: have a situation in America where someone would be arrested

930
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 8: fourteen times, you know, even you know, the man was

931
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 8: not incarcerated even against the wishes of his own family.

932
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 8: His own family wanted him you know, and at the

933
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 8: very least in a mental facility and not out among

934
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 8: the public because they knew he was violent. You know,

935
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 8: this is not something you can wave away. This is

936
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 8: very much a political problem that needs to be addressed.

937
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 8: And finally, just one last thing, let me say the

938
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 8: number one goal of any criminal justice policy is really simple.

939
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 8: It is to keep law abiding citizens safe. Should we

940
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 8: treat prisonercy mainly, Should we offer you know, you know,

941
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 8: attempt Should we offer opportunities for criminals to rehability themselves, Sure,

942
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 8: but those things should never ever ever get in the

943
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 8: way of Priority number one, which is keeping the public

944
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 8: Faithe and everybody has forgotten about priority number one and

945
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 8: it's focused on helping the criminals.

946
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: You're so right, and that is so sad because it

947
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: used to be. Again, not to sound like a fuddy duddy,

948
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 2: but I know you and I are similar. Age used

949
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 2: to be. I would think in the eighties and nineties,

950
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: when any awful tragedy or something occurred, even if it

951
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: was a gocal thing, the reaction was, Okay, let's mourn

952
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: the dead, Let's figure out what happened, let's see how

953
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: we can prevent something like this from happening in the future.

954
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: But now something something like this, which has become a

955
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 2: national story, it immediately turns into a weight. Don't politicize

956
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: this weight, don't politicize this, but there are actual things

957
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: we can do policy wise to change this. Let me

958
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: play a quick clip from US Attorney Russ Ferguson talking

959
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 2: about this exact idea that we're somehow politicizing this.

960
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 9: You would see this case as political randstanding, and if

961
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 9: you do, I think you should have the conversation that

962
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 9: we just had with Arena's family, because there's nothing political

963
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 9: about that this is a heinous crime.

964
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 2: And we are going to remedy it. I don't know

965
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 2: what the politics is here.

966
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 9: If this was a political grand stand, there would be

967
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 9: an opposite side to this is the opposite side.

968
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: Let's allow murders.

969
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 9: On our light rail is the opposite side. Let's let

970
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 9: people out of state prison so they can commit other crimes.

971
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 9: There's no other side of this. There's no politics to this.

972
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 9: This is a pure and simple federal case.

973
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 2: You've a comment about that, Mark because I do.

974
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 8: Well, No, I mean, he's exactly right. But the reality

975
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 8: is is that nobody, for instance, of the Democratic Party

976
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 8: that participated in this big push to you know, implement

977
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 8: quote unquote criminal justice from the last ten years, is

978
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 8: going to come out and say they're pro murder. But

979
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 8: the reality is is that they're policies things like cashlets

980
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 8: spail and other things like that, we're always going to

981
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,959
Speaker 8: be pro murder. They were always going to enable violent

982
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 8: criminals to be out on the streets when they should not,

983
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 8: and you know, getting to that point where you know,

984
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 8: they're forced to sort of reckon with that and they're

985
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 8: forced to sort of deal with the policies and back

986
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 8: away from them. Is going to be a political, you

987
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 8: know issue, and it needs to be.

988
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: Do you think, well, yeah, well, I was going to

989
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 2: say I disagree with him in the sense that there

990
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: is no other side to it, because there is another

991
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: side to it, and it's what you just said, it's

992
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: the cash flow spell types. There are people that say, yeah,

993
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 2: you should let people who commit a violent act out

994
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: on no bail while they're awaiting pre trial confinement, and

995
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 2: they will of course be out able to commit another crime.

996
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: And it happens time and time again. So you would

997
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: think again, if this was covered in any sort of

998
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: serious way or fair way by the legacy media, that

999
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: people would say, Okay, yes, clearly this didn't work. Clearly

1000
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: the no cash bail thing doesn't work. Let's do things

1001
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: that enable, you know, or don't enable this sort of

1002
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: thing to happen again. Do you have faith, Mark Hemingway,

1003
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: do you think that because this story has really gained

1004
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: so much traction, I mean, gosh, we now have this

1005
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: fund that's being created to create murals to commemorate the

1006
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 2: beautiful life and image of Arena Zarutska. Ten thousand dollars

1007
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 2: a mural is being given to artists to paint the

1008
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: side of a building, much like and people are immediately saying, yeah,

1009
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: this is kind of like you know, they did George

1010
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,919
Speaker 2: Floyd in a lot of cities throughout the country. Well,

1011
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: we need to do something similar. And you call this political,

1012
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 2: I just think it is commemorating and reminding people that

1013
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 2: this woman did not die in vain if we do

1014
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: remember her. And yes, we are taking a stand now.

1015
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: I heard or I read a post earlier from someone

1016
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 2: saying this is a civil rights issue. Now, this is

1017
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 2: becoming a sort of counter balance, uh to the George

1018
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: Floyd mayhem. And fever, do you have a quick comment

1019
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 2: about that mark before we let you go.

1020
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 8: Well, we definitely need a counterbalance to sort of the

1021
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 8: George Floyd mayhem. I mean, it's really astonishing the outcome

1022
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 8: of that. You know, people ended up, you know, defending

1023
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 8: uh George Floyd, who you know, at a minimum was

1024
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 8: a you know, kind of a career criminal who put

1025
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 8: himself in a very bad position. Not that I think

1026
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 8: that he necessari should have died, but there was no

1027
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 8: intent by Derek Shavian. I don't think to kill him

1028
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 8: and uh, you know, to uh compare you know, something

1029
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 8: like that to you know what happened to this woman? Uh,

1030
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 8: you know, I I you know, I think it can

1031
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 8: be an effective comparison. But more than anything, I would just.

1032
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: Like people to like wake up and just like look to.

1033
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 8: Look at the facts here. I mean, the reality is

1034
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 8: that a huge amount of crime is committed by a

1035
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 8: very small percentage of even criminals. You know that there's

1036
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 8: a there's a large there's a significant amount of people

1037
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 8: that for whatever reason, are so broken they get arrested

1038
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 8: over and over and over again. And if we could

1039
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 8: just walk away that subset of the population, you know,

1040
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 8: we can solve a lot of problems. Like this guy

1041
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 8: you know who killed Arena I.

1042
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 2: Forget her last name, Yeah, Zarotska.

1043
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 8: If this guy has simply been put away in a

1044
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 8: mental facility, you know, which is a whole other conversation

1045
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 8: when you talk about, you know, involuntary commitment. That was

1046
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 8: another thing that progressives made a big deal out of

1047
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 8: getting rid of. If we could just put away these

1048
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 8: people and take care of them instead of being told

1049
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 8: it's inhumane to do this, you know, we could solve

1050
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:35,839
Speaker 8: a lot of problems.

1051
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 2: Yes, very small, it's a very small percentage of the

1052
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: population that is doing a very very large percentage of

1053
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: the violent crime. Unfortunately, we have to leave it there, Mark,

1054
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 2: But thank you so much, Mark Hemingway follow him at

1055
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 2: Heeminator on x Mark. Thanks for coming on to Tony

1056
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 2: Kats today. We're back on Tony Katz today. We don't unfortunately,

1057
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 2: we don't have time for pinball Wizzard to the big

1058
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 2: guitar to drop there. Okay, fine, we do there it is.

1059
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: This is Mike Coolidge filling in for Tony Katz today.

1060
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: I think it was last night Greg Guttfeld destroyed Brian

1061
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: Stelter's or CNN's Brian Stelter for you know, focusing on

1062
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 2: this whole mental illness aspect of this murder. Here we go,

1063
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 2: he says.

1064
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 10: I'm tired also of the term mental illness being used

1065
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 10: as a cover for criminality. When a thug targets a

1066
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 10: woman that is not insane, he knows she's weaker, when

1067
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 10: he comes from behind with a knife, that's not insane.

1068
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 2: He minimizes her.

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Speaker 10: Ability to inflict harm on him. When the thug flees,

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Speaker 10: that's sane, because he knows if he stays, he'll be arrested.

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Speaker 10: So what would be insane would be if he were

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Speaker 10: to face off against a man without a weapon, somebody

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Speaker 10: like a tyrist.

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Speaker 2: That would be insane.

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Speaker 10: You'd go, okay, that's great. But almost all of these

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01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 10: people that do this stuff, they go after women. That

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01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 10: is not insane, That self preservation, This is not insanity.

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01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 10: It's an evil mind. And it's an evil mind that

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Speaker 10: is somehow excused in a culture that weaponizes victim's status

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Speaker 10: in this case mental illness, mental illness, And what is

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Speaker 10: it about a society.

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01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 2: That contributes to this?

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Speaker 10: And I say this based on my own personal evidence

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01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 10: of being on city streets every single day, every single

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01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 10: day in New York, that when a homeless person is

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 10: shouting at people, he's not shouting. I really made a

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01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 10: mess of my life. Boy, I really screwed up. Noah,

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01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 10: his aggression is purely blaming other things and other people.

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 10: He blames the world, he blames people, he blames you.

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Speaker 10: So we're living in a progressive ideological nightmare where the

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Speaker 10: worst in society is empowered by a.

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Speaker 2: Sense of victimhood.

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Speaker 10: So when this happens, they will still get people like

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Speaker 10: Brian Stelter that says, oh, be careful of the racism,

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01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 10: or other people saying you know what, we really need

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01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 10: to be concerned about our services to the mentally ill,

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01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 10: which may or may not be true. But he's not

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Speaker 10: mentally ill.

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Speaker 2: He needs to be executed. Lastly, I asked, he's totally

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Speaker 2: right target. He absolutely is, Greg gottfeld On. We don't

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01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 2: have time to play the rest of it. But yeah,

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01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 2: he wasn't even if he was mentally ill diagnosed. There

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01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 2: are consequences for your actions. Do you murder someone, you

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01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 2: need to face the consequences, even if that's execution.

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Speaker 1: Why from ball Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America, it's

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01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: Tony cats today.

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Speaker 2: Greetings, this is Tony Catz today. I am not total

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01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: cat say in Mike Coolidge, an old old radio friend

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01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 2: of mister Katz, honored to be joining you. You yeah,

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01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 2: you listening to this right now. I did a radio

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01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 2: show for fifteen straight years syndicated in the Midwest. Much

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 2: like Tony Katz. We saw each other at various national events.

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01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 2: I'd see him at the national conventions, Republican National Convention,

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01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 2: I think the Democrat National Convention too a couple of

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01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: times for the election years, and then Seapack just about

1116
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: every single year, the Conservative Political Action Conference and I

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01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 2: have been on Tony show as a guest, and he's

1118
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 2: been on my show as a guest. And I ended

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01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 2: my radio show in twenty twenty one to run for Congress.

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01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: I did not win. It was the midterms of twenty

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01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: twenty two did not go the Republicans way as much

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01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 2: as we thought it was going to. I still remain

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01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 2: in politics, and with every waking hour of my day,

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 2: I'm attempting to help move the conservative cause forward and

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Speaker 2: yes gain seats in both the House and the Senate nationally.

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Speaker 2: As what I'm trying to do, I'm trying to turn

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01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 2: my state purple and then read I happened to make

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Speaker 2: my home in Illinois. I know many of you are

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Speaker 2: listening on various states throughout the Midwest, including Missouri, Indiana,

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01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 2: and I believe Michigan too, and Illinois. I think I

1131
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 2: think Tony's on a station or two in Illinois. But

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01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 2: I missed the radio to a certain extent. I definitely

1133
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 2: had a great time doing it for fifteen years. Interviewed

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01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: some amazing people I got, like Tony to broadcast from

1135
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 2: the White House, and I interviewed President Trump twice on

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 2: two separate occasions. The first time actually way back in

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01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 2: twenty ten. No, no, gosh, it was twenty twelve when

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01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 2: he was believing or not.

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 1: He was.

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 2: Stumping for Mitt Romney. We got a call about I

1141
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 2: don't know, twenty four hours before the primary in Illinois.

1142
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 2: And when a candidate gets the nomination or it gets

1143
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 2: close to the nomination, they have a bunch of surrogates

1144
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 2: get offered, and much like Tony, I'm sure he gets

1145
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 2: tons of you know, emails from the White House and

1146
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 2: from the Republican National Committee, and I did as well

1147
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 2: on my show. So somebody said, he do you want

1148
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: to talk Donald Trump? And I said sure, absolutely. They're like, hey,

1149
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 2: he's you know, going to come on and stump for

1150
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 2: Mitt Romney. So I said, yeah, absolutely. So I at

1151
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 2: the time was a huge Apprentice fan, and I grew

1152
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 2: up in the same state, by the way, as Tony Katz.

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if Tony is a very private man.

1154
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 2: I know a little bit more than you do about

1155
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 2: him privately, I think, but I'm not at liberty to

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01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: tell you what those things are. I don't even know

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01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: if I'm at liberty to tell you what state Tony

1158
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 2: Katz grew up in, Because like me, he is a

1159
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 2: transplanted Midwest, and I hope that's okay to say, But anyway,

1160
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: we grew up on the same the same coast. Let's

1161
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: put it that way. Donald Trump was a part of

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01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 2: my childhood and life, very much so in the state

1163
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 2: I grew up in. I knew him, you know, as

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01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 2: a figure in the world in the eighties and the nineties,

1165
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 2: and I watched The Apprentice every single episode. I was

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01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: a huge man. My wife and I was like a

1167
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: date night for us, even when we weren't even engaged yet,

1168
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 2: we would watch The Apprentice. So when he came on

1169
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 2: it's stun for Mitt Romney on a March morning of

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01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, I thought he was going to talk about

1171
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 2: the you know, Mitt Romney the whole time, but very

1172
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 2: quickly he talked about Mitt Romney for about thirty seconds,

1173
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 2: and I just said, hey, I'm a huge fan of

1174
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 2: the Apprentice, and next thing, you know, the whole conversation

1175
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 2: is about the Apprentice. We actually even brought up Rod Blagojevich,

1176
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 2: who had just finished being on The Apprentice, and he

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01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 2: said that Belgoievitch got you know, a little bit disproportionate

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01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 2: a sentence for his politics, which you know is arguable

1179
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 2: in my state, but I think he definitely served his time.

1180
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 2: And Rob Bogoievitch, after spending some time in prison and

1181
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: think came out a smarter man, certainly leans more to

1182
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 2: the right now. I think he might have actually even

1183
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 2: switched parties and is officially a Republican now. But anyway,

1184
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 2: Donald Trump was a fascinating interview and then I interviewed

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01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:30,480
Speaker 2: him again in the for about twenty minutes in twenty sixteen,

1186
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 2: and I always describe and I know Tony Katz has

1187
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 2: interviewed President Trump as well. I think I think Tony

1188
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 2: actually interviewed him in the White House or in you know,

1189
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 2: the old Executive Office building right on the White House

1190
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 2: grounds there. And the thing about interviewing Trump is that

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01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 2: you it's like batting against a cy young winner. The

1192
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: cy young winner can tell you I'm about to throw

1193
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 2: a curveball, I'm about to throw a fastball, and you

1194
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: can know that he's going to throw it, and you'll

1195
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 2: still strike out. And so you know, you can do

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01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 2: all the research in the world with Donald Trump, and

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01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 2: you know you can have all your questions ready and

1198
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 2: know exactly how you want to ask him, and you know,

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01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 2: do you want to make it interesting by challenging him

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01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 2: on some things whatever. I challenged him a little bit

1201
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 2: on entitlements back in twenty sixteen. You know, I thought

1202
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 2: in our country and I still think our country's spending

1203
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 2: a little bit too much on Medicare and medicaid so

1204
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 2: security in the sense that it's disproportionate with our tax

1205
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 2: revenue owners or some way we can reform those things

1206
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 2: for the future. And gotten a really good discussion with

1207
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 2: him about it. But you can have that all set

1208
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: up and he will still dominate the conversation and charm

1209
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 2: you in such a way that he you know, he's

1210
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 2: in control the whole time. And I still, even towards

1211
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: the end of my radio show, I would play a

1212
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 2: little clip of him saying, you know, Mike, I love

1213
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 2: I've heard so much about your show. I heard your

1214
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 2: ratings are fantastic, which is true. I did have extremely

1215
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 2: good ratings, but I know he didn't know that. But

1216
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 2: he knew what to say, you know, he knew what

1217
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 2: to say to immediately put me in a very happy position.

1218
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I had a really good time

1219
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 2: interviewing him and so many other great people on the

1220
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 2: ground in Washington d C. Too at Seapack where Tony

1221
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: and I would would work there from Radio row, and

1222
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 2: Tony and I would have cigars off the air and

1223
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 2: talk about many things. And he asked me, I guess

1224
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago to fill in today. And

1225
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 2: I happen to still have my radio equipment in my

1226
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 2: radio studio in my home, and I do podcasting for

1227
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 2: various things now and I work full time in the

1228
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 2: political world. But I said, yeah, I can carve out

1229
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: the middle of my day in Rush Limbaugh's old time

1230
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 2: slot to talk to the some listeners of Tony Kats today.

1231
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 2: And that I am doing, I say, I make my

1232
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: my my career and my I pay for my dinner

1233
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 2: in politics. And later on this hour, we're going to

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01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 2: talk to Carrie Pickett from the Washington Examiner, who I

1235
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 2: know is a frequent guest on Tony Katz's show. I say,

1236
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 2: Washington Examiner. I better get that right, because I know

1237
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 2: she's switched a couple of times to different outlets in Washington,

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01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 2: d C. Carrie Pickett Washington Times. I'm sorry. She's the

1239
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 2: White House correspondent for the Washington Time. So when you

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01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 2: often see or hear maybe I'm a show us going

1241
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: live to the White House feed, and sometimes that is

1242
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 2: in the Oval Office when he has a dignitary or

1243
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 2: a president or a prime minister from another country, and

1244
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 2: then you got the press gaggle there. Carry Pickett's frequently

1245
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 2: one of those press gagglers, and she is going to

1246
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 2: bring us some insight later on this hour about the

1247
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 2: jerry mandering slash re drawing of maps that are occurring

1248
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:15,799
Speaker 2: throughout the United States that may or may not result

1249
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: in the Republicans keeping control of the House of Representatives

1250
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 2: and the Senate so that we can continue the President

1251
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 2: Trump agenda in making this country awesome, in continuing to

1252
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 2: make this country awesome, and to continue to perpetuate this

1253
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 2: Golden Age. Yes, I am partisan, blind, completely, unapologetically partisan.

1254
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 2: I want this country to have more Republicans in its legislator, legislature,

1255
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:53,879
Speaker 2: in Congress than Democrats. I want more conservative Supreme Court justices.

1256
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 2: I want a Republican in the White House to remain

1257
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 2: there and to serve for eight years after Trump. I

1258
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 2: wake up every morning and devote my entire day to

1259
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: doing everything I can to ensure those things happen, and

1260
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 2: that the needle continues to remain on the right. Our

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01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 2: culture has changed so much since the first time Tony

1262
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 2: Katz and I had a conversation in Washington, d C.

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01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 2: Both he and I, I know, interacted a lot with

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01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 2: Andrew Breitbart. May he rest in peace. He died at

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01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 2: forty three years old. Gosh, that I think was in

1266
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty fourteen, I want to say, kind of. I

1267
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 2: think it's been over ten years since since Andrew Breitbart

1268
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 2: passed away. But that time period in the in the

1269
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 2: early teens was was a weird time. You know. It

1270
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 2: was the beginning of the Barack Obama presidency and the

1271
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 2: Tea Party movement started around two thousand and nine twenty ten,

1272
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 2: and we didn't really know where the conservative movement was going.

1273
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 2: We had, you know, obviously eight years of President Bush.

1274
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 2: Kind of a mixed bag there. You know, obviously the

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01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:17,480
Speaker 2: country united after September eleventh, the you know, going into Afghanistan,

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01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:19,759
Speaker 2: the beginning of Iraq. I was in the military actually

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01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 2: at the time, I was the Army captain. I served

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01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 2: in the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom for one year

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01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 2: in Kuwait and Iraq, And you know, the mindset of

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Speaker 2: the right at that time was very pro war, pro

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Speaker 2: national defense. We should all be pro national defense, right,

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Speaker 2: But I at the time was very supportive of our

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Speaker 2: decision to go into Iraq. Looking back on it, like

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Speaker 2: we all can do twenty years later, over twenty years later,

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Speaker 2: you say, like many things this country has decided to

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Speaker 2: do and not do, say, you know, maybe that shouldn't happen,

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Speaker 2: or maybe it should have ended here, or maybe we

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Speaker 2: were in Afghanistan for a bit too long. At the time,

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Speaker 2: though in the present, you could only make decisions about

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Speaker 2: what you know at the time. So I remember getting

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Speaker 2: this debate with a conservative friend of mine, you know,

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Speaker 2: who said, well, any if you're a conservative these days,

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Speaker 2: you you have to be, you know, completely anti Iraq

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Speaker 2: war and anti Afghanistan war. I'm like, well, yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: easy to say that now. At the time though, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson was pro Iraq war, Russian Mbaugh was pro

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Speaker 2: Iraq war. We all were on the right, and all

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Speaker 2: the people fighting against it seemed like the hippies and

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Speaker 2: the peacenicks and the and the you know there was

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Speaker 2: it was mostly left who were on the anti war

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Speaker 2: side of the time. Obviously, but if you keep your

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Speaker 2: eyes open and you actually absorb facts and you use

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Speaker 2: your brain. It is okay too. As things develop and

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01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 2: things change, change your mind, that's okay. And I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you as somebody who not just was supportive of, you know,

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Speaker 2: Operation in Raki Freedom and Operation and Dirk Freedom, but

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Speaker 2: actually participated in it as an active duty member of

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Speaker 2: the military in a combat zone. I have no regrets

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Speaker 2: about supporting those decisions at the time. However, I have

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Speaker 2: learned from those decisions we made, and some of them

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Speaker 2: were bad in the aftermath. And I do not think

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Speaker 2: we should be as involved internationally as we were ten

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago. I do not think we should be

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Speaker 2: involved in Ukraine as much as we are right now. Still,

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Speaker 2: I wish that we would be. I wish that war

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Speaker 2: would be over with. And god knows, Donald Trump has

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Speaker 2: done everything possible to end it. He's done absolutely everything

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Speaker 2: to get Vladimir Putin and Zelensky to get to the

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Speaker 2: table and talk. And there's been recent developments in the

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Speaker 2: last twenty four hours that are not so good. You know,

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Speaker 2: a drone, a Polish drone shot down, which is not

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Speaker 2: a good sign. That's you know, a NATO ally having

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Speaker 2: exchanged but it's a drone, you know, a life being lost. No,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily, but a shot was fired, so somebody's life

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01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: could have been lost. It gets, it gets a little dicey.

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Speaker 2: Little things like that can can can blow up quickly.

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Speaker 2: But I as a as an older American these days,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm still gen X, but as somebody who

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Speaker 2: has been around the block and seen both successes that

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Speaker 2: our country has had and failures that our country has had.

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Speaker 2: I want a country that is strong in a national defense,

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Speaker 2: that is strong, but that only uses the military as

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Speaker 2: a last resort, not in some kind of like spreading

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Speaker 2: of democracy or or adventurism overseas. No. And you know

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Speaker 2: who led that change in mindset. You know who carried

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Speaker 2: the torch and carried the flag for that change. Who

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Speaker 2: was Donald Trump. He came on the scene in twenty

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Speaker 2: fifteen as a presidential candidate, I mean, and started questioning

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01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 2: bad decisions that the military has made and our leaders

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Speaker 2: at the top have made. It was a hard pital

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Speaker 2: swallow for a lot of people, myself included. But the

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Speaker 2: more he talked, the more I listened. I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe he's not wrong here. Maybe some of these generals

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Speaker 2: with three and four stars on their collar. These careerists

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01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 2: who salivate at the idea of us being involved in conflicts,

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01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,959
Speaker 2: who many of them want to immediately end their military

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Speaker 2: career so that they can sit on defense contractor boards

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Speaker 2: where they make ten times with making as an army general.

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Speaker 2: And so maybe their motives are not as pristine and

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Speaker 2: pure as we might think. That kind of thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: gets in your brain and you start thinking about it,

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01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: and then you can take off the rose colored glasses

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01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 2: and make clear, lucid decisions about who and what politicians

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Speaker 2: you support and which ones you don't. Anyway, I still

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01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 2: have and maintain the belief that our country is better

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Speaker 2: off with more Republicans in office than Democrats. And we're

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Speaker 2: gonna later on this hour get into that with Kerry

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Speaker 2: Pickett about the predictions and changes that are happening as

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Speaker 2: we speak in many legislatures, as far as maps go

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Speaker 2: with that, what changes might occur in the next two years.

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Speaker 2: This is Tony Cats today. I am My Coolidge filling

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Speaker 2: in for Tony Kats. We'll be right back. No, do

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Speaker 2: not take any of those things song if you're on

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Speaker 2: a crew team. I think it actually had some stroke

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Speaker 2: stroke chance. In this welcome back to Tony Katz Today,

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Speaker 2: I am Mike Coolidge filling in for Tony Katz. Coolidge

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Speaker 2: is spelled with the K k O O l I

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Speaker 2: d g E. You can find me on X and

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Speaker 2: I'll do what I did earlier and there. If you

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Speaker 2: follow me on X right now, this is a special

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Speaker 2: deal only for Tony Katz today listeners, I will follow

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Speaker 2: you back. Yeah, I don't follow everyone, but if you

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Speaker 2: follow me right now on X K O O l

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Speaker 2: I d g E, I will follow you back. Also,

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Speaker 2: obviously you follow Tony Katz, who is Tony Katz. Everyone

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Speaker 2: knows how to spell Tony cats and Tony Katz dot

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Speaker 2: Com is the web site. One of the things I

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Speaker 2: love about radio is it was the precursor to the

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Speaker 2: town hall, the national town hall that Twitter became and

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Speaker 2: then that is now X And thank god that Elon

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Speaker 2: Musk bought Twitter, because it actually is a free speech

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Speaker 2: outlet for the world. Really, so many news stories we

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Speaker 2: would not know about, so many opinions we had not

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Speaker 2: known about had it continued on the path that was on.

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Speaker 2: But just a real quick snapshot, as we only have

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Speaker 2: a minute or so left here of some comments about

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Speaker 2: the biggest story in the country right now and really

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Speaker 2: the world is the murder of Arenas Rutsky. Christopher Rufo.

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Speaker 2: We need more police, more prisons, and more asylums. And yes,

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Speaker 2: we can arrest our way out of the psychotic criminals

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Speaker 2: murdering people in the streets problem. That's a response to

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Speaker 2: the mayor of Charlotte who said we can't arrest our

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Speaker 2: way out of this. Oh, yes we can. Shoe on X,

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Speaker 2: the New York Times finally covers the story, and it's

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Speaker 2: about the people covering it. The headline the first story

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Speaker 2: that appeared in The New York Times about this, the

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Speaker 2: headline was a gruesome murder in North Carolina ignites a

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Speaker 2: firestorm on the right. Yes, you see, this is a

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Speaker 2: conservative story. Fisher King on X. It's civilization versus barbarism.

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Speaker 2: That's the left right divide. Now, that is so true.

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Speaker 2: It is civilization versus barbarism. Which side are you on?

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Speaker 2: This is my Coolidge in for Tony Katz on Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz Today on the other side of it. Former Michael

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Speaker 2: Coolidge Show right and current Tony kats Today regular Carrie

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Speaker 2: Pickett from The Washington Times, don't go anywhere. We're back

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Speaker 2: on Tony Katz today. I am not Tony Katz. I

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Speaker 2: am Mike Coolidge spelled with a K. And our next

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Speaker 2: guest also spells her name with a K. It's just

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Speaker 2: her first name, Carrie Picket. Welcome back on to the radio, Kerrie, Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks for having me.

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Speaker 6: Mike.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and welcome back on to Tony Kats today. Because

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Speaker 2: I know you go on Tony Kats today pretty. I

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Speaker 2: mean you've been on Tony Kats's show before, right many times?

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Speaker 6: Sure, Sure, Tony and I go way back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably similar to you and I gosh back in

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Speaker 2: the tea party era of the early to twenty ten's.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe we're the second half of the of

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Speaker 2: this decade now. It's been crazy. It's been a crazy, crazy,

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Speaker 2: crazy twenty years of politics. But I wanted to first

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Speaker 2: because we spent a lot of this show talking obviously

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Speaker 2: about the biggest story in the country right now, the

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Speaker 2: arenas of Routski murder and the policies that could be

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Speaker 2: enacted to stop something like this from happening again, or

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Speaker 2: maybe prevent a terrible human being like the one that

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Speaker 2: murdered her from being able to do this sort of

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Speaker 2: thing to other people. We have a terrible law in Illinois,

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Speaker 2: where I happen to make my home, called the Safety Act.

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Speaker 2: That is one of the hallmarks of it is no

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Speaker 2: cash bail. Well, before I get into the redistricting story

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Speaker 2: that I know is I mean it is going to

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Speaker 2: result and hopefully better policies coming out of Washington. Is

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Speaker 2: this no cash bail possible national law that New York's

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Speaker 2: at least Stephanic is hoping to push through. Can you

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Speaker 2: tell us about that?

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Speaker 6: Sure? So, at least Aphonic has introduced legislation in the

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Speaker 6: how to end cashless bail, not just in the District

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Speaker 6: of Columbia, but all over the country. Now, this bill

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Speaker 6: was introduced Monday, and what it does is just back

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Speaker 6: up President Trump's executive order that essentially tells states as

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Speaker 6: well as municipalities all over the country that if you

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Speaker 6: have cashless bail or some sort of form of shall

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Speaker 6: we say, reduced bail to the point where you know,

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Speaker 6: because there's only four states in the country where there's

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Speaker 6: no cashless fail and then there's like a sort of

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Speaker 6: like bail reform in some states, and there's and they

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Speaker 6: kind of you know, chipped away at like bail and

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Speaker 6: in other states. So they sort of played around with it.

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Speaker 6: But but if you have some sort of form of that,

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Speaker 6: they're they're going to take away you're you're you're a

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Speaker 6: federal funding in some way, shape or form. So basically

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Speaker 6: that's the gist of it. Yeah, how drastic, right exactly,

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Speaker 6: Now it's up. Now, this isn't for like things like jaywalking.

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Speaker 6: This is if people commit crimes such as murder, rate,

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Speaker 6: sexual assault, carjacking, robbery, you know, burglary and assaults plus looting, vandalism,

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Speaker 6: destruction of property, rioting or inciting to rite, or fleeing

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Speaker 6: from a law enforcement officer. So you know, people won't

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Speaker 6: have to worry about saying, oh, well, what if I,

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Speaker 6: you know, just did something stupid. You know. Okay, we're

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Speaker 6: not talking about crimes like that. We're talking about things

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Speaker 6: like what if everyone's talking about with this poor Ukrainian

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Speaker 6: woman who was stabbed together over on the Charlotte, North

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Speaker 6: Carolina light rail. All right, it's things like that. We're

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Speaker 6: talking about violent repeat offenders who should not be let out.

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Speaker 6: And this is this is something that needs to be

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Speaker 6: looked at all over the country. And people think, well,

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Speaker 6: it's just the states, and now we're talking about small

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Speaker 6: municipalities that people tend to not see. It's municipalities that

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Speaker 6: go beneath the radar.

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Speaker 2: Mike, yeah, yeah, And it's I think this whole sort

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Speaker 2: of movement. I don't know if New York City was

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Speaker 2: the first one to do it, but they, obviously, being

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Speaker 2: the biggest city in the country, got the most media

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Speaker 2: coverage about it, and no indication that it that it

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Speaker 2: worked and was and was good. But are in our

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Speaker 2: the geniuses that run the state government here in Illinois

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Speaker 2: decided to pass a law, the Safety Act, that has

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Speaker 2: not led to you know, reductions in crime. It has

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Speaker 2: led to people being let out after they allegedly committed

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Speaker 2: a crime and not being you know, incarcerated in pre

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Speaker 2: child confinement where they, because they're free and didn't have

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Speaker 2: to post bail or anything, can commit more crimes before

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Speaker 2: they're eventual trial. And so many of these people have

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Speaker 2: been convicted of numerous convicted not just the rested, but

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Speaker 2: convicted of numerous crimes. So, you know, this might or

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Speaker 2: might not be constitutional. This this law, this at least

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Speaker 2: steffonic law. I mean, let's just assume that it passes

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Speaker 2: and it gets signed into law by President Trump. I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: but and you know, let's assume it's constitutional, or let's

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Speaker 2: say it doesn't get all the way through because there's

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Speaker 2: not enough votes in the Senator whatever. Moving on to

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Speaker 2: the redistricting story that some people are following. The big

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Speaker 2: you know thing in was it Texas where some of

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Speaker 2: the legislators didn't want to vote and do their job,

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Speaker 2: so they fled the states so they wouldn't have a quorum.

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Speaker 2: And then we'll give our reader or our readers, give

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Speaker 2: your readers and listeners a little recap of the states

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Speaker 2: that are in the process of changing their laws for redistricting,

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Speaker 2: and also the reaction that certain factions of Congress are getting,

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Speaker 2: you know, belly aching about in Washington, d C. Like,

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Speaker 2: for example, the Congressional Liberal Black Caucus, which has a

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Speaker 2: problem with a lot of this stuff going on.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so you have a Texas which already passed their

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01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 6: redrawn map and that gave Texas five more favorable seats

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Speaker 6: towards the Republicans. This angered, of course, Democrats, so they

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Speaker 6: went over to Gavin Newsom to have the Democrats put

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Speaker 6: out a map that was way more favorable for Democrats.

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Speaker 6: That has not been finalized, that has not been approved.

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Speaker 6: But what they what they're doing though, is that they're

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Speaker 6: having a special election to bring back, or rather to

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Speaker 6: get rid of their independent Commission, because they're independent commission

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Speaker 6: by law, needs to approve any sort of redraw. And

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Speaker 6: they're saying, no, no, no, we were just getting rid of

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Speaker 6: this independent commission, just temporarily until I think it's like

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Speaker 6: twenty thirty and then we'll bring it back. But the

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Speaker 6: voters have to decide on that in a special election.

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Speaker 6: We'll see if that actually happened. So nothing's happening yet

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Speaker 6: in California, but we'll see how that goes down. But

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Speaker 6: they're trying to change the map in California to off

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Speaker 6: that would happen in Texas. That being said, if that

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Speaker 6: happens in California, they're going to have to deal with

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Speaker 6: what just happened in Missouri with the GOP controlled legislature there,

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Speaker 6: which just added one extra seat for Republicans and or

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Speaker 6: favorable towards Republicans and essentially eliminated Emmanuel Kleaver's seat. He's

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Speaker 6: a Democrat, he is a Congressional Black Caucus Democrat. And

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Speaker 6: you had the CBC just had a big pressor yesterday

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Speaker 6: and they were very upset. They were saying, all this

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Speaker 6: redistricting is just trying to lower their ranks out on

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Speaker 6: Capitol Hill, and they were saying that this idea that

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Speaker 6: Republicans are underrepresented in Congress is just quote unquote hogwash.

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Speaker 6: Because what happened ultimately, as you may or may not

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Speaker 6: have heard, is that you have a lot of blue

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Speaker 6: states which have let's say, maybe forty Republicans that are

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Speaker 6: that are that are reti Republicans, but yet they have

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Speaker 6: maybe zero Republicans in Congress representing them, or maybe two

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Speaker 6: or three Republicans representing them.

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Speaker 2: So like in Massachusetts, Yeah, yeah, Massachusetts has zero Republicans.

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Speaker 2: And Illinois, which is you know, probably about forty five

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Speaker 2: percent in some cases higher than that depending on how

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Speaker 2: you CiCe it. Forty five to maybe forty six percent

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Speaker 2: of Illinoisans are Republican. We have three congressmen out of

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Speaker 2: seventeen and with zero swing districts basically I mean some

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Speaker 2: that are borderlined, but no, the Democrats drew them specifically

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Speaker 2: to jerrymanner them to the left. And then of course

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Speaker 2: you mentioned the Massachusetts, all of New England I think

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Speaker 2: has like two Republicans or something exactly.

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Speaker 6: I pointed that out to the Congressional Black Caucus members

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Speaker 6: and you had Congressman Troy Carter of Louisiana. He called

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Speaker 6: that hogwash. That is nonsense. The Republicans are just things,

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Speaker 6: are grapes. That is wrong data, but they don't seem

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Speaker 6: to see here is that. Okay, Well, you're saying that

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Speaker 6: that that black lawmakers are underrepresented in Congress. Black lawmakers

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Speaker 6: represented about twelve percent of Congress. There's about sixty seven

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Speaker 6: lawmakers who are Democrats in Congress of black Americans represent

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Speaker 6: about fourteen percent of the country. Okay, but here is

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Speaker 6: what's interesting. You have about black Republicans on Capitol Hill

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01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 6: represent about less than one percent in Congress. But there's

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Speaker 6: the APE research tells us that there's about twelve there's

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Speaker 6: about maybe twelve percent of black Republicans in the country.

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Speaker 6: So black Republicans are actually underrepresented on Capitol Hill. Yeah, completely,

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Speaker 6: oh yes, but yeah, yeah, the black lawmakers are are

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Speaker 6: under represented Capitol Hill, but it's Black Republicans that are underrepresented.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great way to put it. Well, we

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Speaker 2: all only got about a minute left here, Tony cats

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Speaker 2: is three hours apparently are shorter than my three hours carry.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why, but the how do you see

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Speaker 2: this playing out as far as like California for example?

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Speaker 2: I know they're trying to redistrict, but isn't the road

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Speaker 2: to them redistricting a lot higher because they have to

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Speaker 2: get it on a ballot, which will require them to

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Speaker 2: get like tons, you know, seven figures and signatures or

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Speaker 2: something like that. Do you see California actually changing their

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Speaker 2: congressional districts before twenty twenty six? I mean, they have a.

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Speaker 6: Higher bar, and they're going to have a very tough

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Speaker 6: time getting it onto to get ballot by the twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty six mid terms. So they're going to have a

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Speaker 6: very very tough time. And mind you, they're going to

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Speaker 6: have even a rougher time by twenty thirty when the

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Speaker 6: new census comes out. So all the stuff we're talking

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Speaker 6: about right now is pretty much all the blowback that

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Speaker 6: happened after the twenty twenty centuries because Republicans felt that

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Speaker 6: they were undercounted during the right effort, The Biden Census

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Speaker 6: Bureau kind of undercounted places like Florida, for example.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I know We're we almost out of time.

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Speaker 2: But do you make your home in New York City

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Speaker 2: or in Washington d C?

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Speaker 6: Washington d C.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because I was going to ask about Mndannie and

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Speaker 2: who would be worse as a mayor Brandon Johnson in Chicago. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so you don't have it in one word. Who would

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Speaker 2: you rather have as mayor? Who's worse Mndannie or Brandon

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Speaker 2: Johnson in Chicago.

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Speaker 6: Let's just say I'm going to say chocolate okay.

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Speaker 2: The Chocolate City or anyway that was New Orleans based

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01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:49,640
Speaker 2: on Mayor Nagan. He called it that himself. That's what

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Speaker 2: he That's what he called it, all right, Kerry Pickett,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us from the Washington Times.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back on Tony Katz today. This is

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Speaker 2: my Coolidge stay with us. Okay, We're back on Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today. I'm Mike Cooliage filling in for Tony and

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Speaker 2: we have some breaking news here. This is not a joke,

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01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 2: this is not this is for real and I'm absorbing

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01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 2: this in real time on X as we speak. But

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01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:22,680
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk turning point us says, Charlie Kirk has been

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01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 2: shot and there's video footage of him. This is at

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Speaker 2: Utah Valley University. There's no indication that he is no

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Speaker 2: longer with us. He's being stabilized, is what we're reading online. Again,

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Speaker 2: I'm just reading what I'm seeing on X. I've seen

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Speaker 2: the video of him being shot, and he definitely was shot.

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Speaker 2: This isn't I have no problem saying that as somebody

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01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 2: who's seen and fired weapons before and knows what they

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01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 2: sound like and knows what it looks like when someone

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01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 2: is hit with a bullet. He was definitely shot, and

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01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 2: the only thing I can't determine is whether he was

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01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 2: shot in the neck or in the chest. But you're

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01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 2: going to see this footage on X if you haven't already.

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01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 2: There's a whole crowd dispersing. He's sitting under the tent

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01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 2: you know where he does these uh you know, challenge me, h,

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01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 2: debates and he uh. It just shows him with a

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01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:19,639
Speaker 2: microphone and then all of a sudden, the snap, which

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01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 2: is a bullet being shot, and then you can see it,

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01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:26,679
Speaker 2: you know, shake his body and him kind of fall

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Speaker 2: to the ground. I beg you to please pray for

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. Everyone who knows him, everyone who doesn't know him.

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01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 2: There obviously is never, in any circumstance a reason why

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Speaker 2: you would kill an unarmed, innocent human being who is

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Speaker 2: posting to no threat to anyone. And this is what occurred, clearly,

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Speaker 2: And please pray that he makes a recovery. This is

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Speaker 2: going to become a national news story. I'm sure it

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01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 2: is already. I'm sure I don't have my TV on

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Speaker 2: in front of me. I've just got the Internet here

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01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:09,640
Speaker 2: on two different screens. But it's kind of obviously been

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01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:12,160
Speaker 2: talked about a lot. I've met Charlie Kirk a number

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01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 2: of times. He's a great human being, He's a great American.

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Speaker 2: He is talking about moving this country in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Very few people have have have done it more than

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01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 2: him and stronger than him. And please pray for him.

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01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 2: Please pray for him and his family. He's married with children.

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Speaker 2: Play pray for Charlie Kirk. This has been the Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz Today Show, and I am Mike Coolidge. Tony will

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Speaker 2: be back tomorrow.