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Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel. You believe these characters are weirdos.

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Speaker 2: So let.

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Speaker 3: I believe it was the rock band Europe that once said,

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Speaker 3: and I quote, it's the final countdown, do Do Do

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Speaker 3: Do Do Do Do Do Do? Just a few days

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Speaker 3: left in twenty twenty five. I'm Jason Hammer, Big Nige

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Speaker 3: enjoying week number six of vacation because I guess that's okay.

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Speaker 3: Guy Relford writing Shotgun with me today, I see what

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Speaker 3: you did there. I make that joke every time, and

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Speaker 3: God bless you. You like the grandkids that always laugh

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Speaker 3: every time, and you play along, My friend, I like it.

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Speaker 1: How was the big Christmas extravaganza?

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Speaker 4: That was good? Man? We hosted and uh, it was

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Speaker 4: extra special. My son and daughter in law and their

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Speaker 4: all three of those grandkids, and so it was. It

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Speaker 4: was awesome. It was fun. We had a good one.

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Speaker 4: Did you enjoy? I saw some pictures from you and

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Speaker 4: Crystal's Christmas on Christmas and it looked awesome too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, kids, you know I say kids, they're all

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Speaker 1: My youngest is officially you know, eighteen.

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Speaker 3: But no, it was great and all as well, and

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Speaker 3: it was like sixty degrees. Yeah, but now you walk

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Speaker 4: I was I was smoking wings yesterday out on the

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Speaker 4: and it was fourteen degrees. I mean that's Indianapolis for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like we've had polar vortex and we've had you know,

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because fourteen degrees wasn't enough. We had to

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Speaker 3: So the winds have calmed down just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: were a number of delays this morning, and temperatures are

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Speaker 3: still going to be pretty cold. But I think we've

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Speaker 3: gotten through the worst part of this whole thing. All right, guy,

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Speaker 3: I want to get your attention here. This bill, Senate

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Speaker 3: Bill number sixty two, feels like this has got an

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Speaker 1: So there's a proposed.

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Speaker 3: Bill at the twenty twenty six Indiana State House General Assembly.

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Speaker 3: It's called Senate Bill sixty two, and it addresses kids

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Speaker 3: illegally having guns, which last time I checked, I thought

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Speaker 1: Some say it could deter youth gun violence.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and listen, this is something that's going to get

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Speaker 4: my immediate attention when I saw this thing filed, because

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Speaker 4: to say and listen, this was filed by Senator Greg Taylor.

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Speaker 4: We've talked a lot about Greg Taylor. I think you've

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Speaker 4: When I go into as I do every year to

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Speaker 4: Greg Taylor and I are always going to go back

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Speaker 4: because what this is saying is that if you're unlawfully

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Speaker 3: And looking a little further into what is proposed and

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Speaker 3: Senate Bill sixty two harsher penalties if the offense happens

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Speaker 4: Yeah, see that's already built into the unlawful possession of

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Speaker 3: Guy Reelford filling in for big knowledge, and we'll have

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Speaker 3: Monday Gun Day here in just a few minutes, because

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Speaker 3: there was a big decision today. But before we do that,

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Speaker 3: I've got some good news. Our charity bowling event, Red

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Speaker 3: White and Bowl presented by Jack Daniels January sixteenth at

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Speaker 3: Woodland Bowl is officially sold out.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Now.

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Speaker 3: If you did not get tickets, relax, I'm being told

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Speaker 3: we may be giving away a few on the air

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Speaker 3: next week possibly, so stick around for that. But yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: you guys bought these things up quickly, and if you

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Speaker 3: a good time. Thank you so much, and we're gonna

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Speaker 3: raise a lot of money for some Hoosier veterans in

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Speaker 3: need as well. Red White, and Bowl presented by Jack Daniels.

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Speaker 3: January sixteenth, Woodland Bowl sold out, but a little birdie

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Speaker 3: told me we might have some tickets to give away soon.

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Speaker 1: Matt Bear, you was listening to The Hammer and Nichel Show.

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Speaker 3: Getting closer and closer to a brand new year, which

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Speaker 3: means this is the time of the season.

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Speaker 1: We take a look back. It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jason Hammer, Big Nige's out Guy Reelfort's filling in

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Speaker 3: and join us in studio from the WIBC newsroom.

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Speaker 1: The Lovely John at Cruse. How are you?

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Speaker 5: I'm good, how are you?

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Speaker 3: They're not booing, they're saying crews. So today, tomorrow and Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: you're doing a little three piece exclusive on our program,

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Speaker 3: looking back at the biggest stories of the year. Now

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Speaker 3: tomorrow we'll focus nationally. We'll do some pop culture entertainment

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Speaker 3: stuff on Wednesday, but today it's the five biggest stories

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Speaker 5: Yes, and I said this during commercial break. I couldn't

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Speaker 6: True.

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Speaker 1: Crazy to me, mate headlines all over the country.

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Speaker 3: First, I remember that I was at the ac DC

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Speaker 4: It was legit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a really big deal. And then I

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Speaker 3: And there had been some rumors about the health of

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Speaker 3: Jim long before he officially passed. Yes, but it looked like,

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Speaker 1: Maybe the worst was behind him.

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Speaker 3: You know, there was that interview he did or he

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Speaker 3: it's not surprising he did some hard living, but for

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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, say what you want about Jim,

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Speaker 3: but he cared about Indianapolis, see.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I was really excited about the coverage,

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Speaker 3: Because the Pacers came out smoking, Haliburton came out smoking fire.

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Speaker 1: They were going to win that game.

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Speaker 4: That was going to be our game, no question.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it was the worst. I was so sad.

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Speaker 3: So we're doing the top five biggest stories in Indiana

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Speaker 1: What else is on your list?

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Speaker 5: All right? Number three? I got Mark Sanchez all on

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Speaker 1: I was a day after my birthday.

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Speaker 3: It could have been downtown the same time as Mark

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Speaker 4: Wow, and Sanchez was still celebrating, Yes he was.

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Speaker 5: Yes, exactly. So now Fox Corporation is trying to move

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're defending a big time lawsuit in county court,

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Speaker 3: Where the individual thought he heard a noise, thought he'd

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Speaker 3: Now the elephant in the room is guy, We know

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Speaker 5: Right and number five, number five redistrict dead redistricting, that

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Speaker 3: What's property tax ended? And we ended up getting the

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Speaker 5: The amount of times I had to re record myself

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Speaker 3: So well, Johnette, you'll join us again tomorrow and we'll

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Speaker 5: Here we go, Top five National Johnette.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. The only way to bag a

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Speaker 4: Monday, Gun Day with the gun Just.

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Speaker 6: Watch up with the guns.

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Speaker 1: They'll get to guy, stop calling your arms.

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Speaker 8: Gun you ever show.

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Speaker 1: It's a tradition unlike any other.

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Speaker 3: This time every Monday, we sit down with the best

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna have a little retrospective of the year

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is actually a big deal. There's been this

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Speaker 4: filed this lawsuit many many years ago saying that it's

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Speaker 4: It's gun manufacturers and dealer's fault.

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Speaker 3: They have a crime problem in Gary, like something the

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Speaker 4: That is exactly right, and the people who actually produce

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Speaker 4: the legislature has been trying to provide immunity from this

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Speaker 4: And most people when they hear that law, they say, well,

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately that files stupid lawsuits every day, trust.

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Speaker 4: Me, absolutely, and that's why both at the federal level

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Speaker 4: That's primarily it. I think it's mostly judges bending over

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Speaker 4: I'm really glad to see the Indiana Court of Appeals

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Speaker 4: ruled accordingly.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday Gun Day with the gun guy, Guy.

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Speaker 3: Relford here with us all right, So as we get

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Speaker 3: closer to a brand new year, we're taking a look back.

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Speaker 3: We're looking back at the biggest stories in Indiana, the

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Speaker 3: biggest stories nationally, and with you being the two a expert,

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Speaker 3: let's take a look back at the biggest stories in

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Speaker 3: the world of the Second Amendment in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you what I think. The number one

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Speaker 4: thing is that with President Trump coming into office and

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Speaker 4: taking over in the White House, he undid a lot

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Speaker 4: of the executive orders that President Biden had put in place.

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Speaker 1: And some of these were the auto pen put into place.

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Speaker 4: Or the auto that great point. Yeah that some unknown person,

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Speaker 4: uh you know, put President Biden's signature too. But and

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Speaker 4: and and these these may not have gotten a lot

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Speaker 4: of fanfare, but they were devastating to a lot of people,

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Speaker 4: and especially people in the gun industry. For instance, the

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Speaker 4: Biden administration announced what they were called they called their

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Speaker 4: zero tolerance policy for gun dealers. And it's really relates

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Speaker 4: to what we were just talking about. But this has

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Speaker 4: to do with the idea that the Biden administration instructed

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Speaker 4: the ATF that regulates the gun industry to say, if

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Speaker 4: you find a gun dealer who has any minor transgression whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: You know, a document wasn't dated the right way, or

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Speaker 4: the form wasn't kept in the right form or kept

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Speaker 4: in the right chronological order, or otherwise consistent with federal regulations.

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Speaker 4: We have a zero tolerance policy now, and you should

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Speaker 4: do anything and everything you can do to put those

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Speaker 4: gun dealers out of business.

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Speaker 3: Where the hell was that badassory at the border when

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Speaker 3: cartels and drugs and gang members were coming across left.

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Speaker 4: And right exactly right? Or you know, more recently, you

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Speaker 4: know medicaid medicare fraud, right, I mean right? Where was

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Speaker 4: the oversight? But what this was, it was just an

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Speaker 4: excuse to try to put lawful businesses out of business.

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Speaker 4: And I had buddies who owned gun shops to say, Man,

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking about, you know, giving it up, because I

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Speaker 4: have these people breathing down my neck. They're putting me

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Speaker 4: under a microscope at every opportunity, trying to put me

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Speaker 4: out of business. And Trump, when he came in, issued

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Speaker 4: executive orders that completely undid that, and that's huge. In

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Speaker 4: addition to the Department of Justice, we went from having

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris in charge of the so called White House

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Speaker 4: Office of Gun Violence Prevention. Remember that. Oh yeah, So

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Speaker 4: we had Kamala and her underlings looking again at ways

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Speaker 4: to attack lawful gun nunners, attack the gun industry. That

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Speaker 4: was disbanded again in twenty twenty five, and instead, President

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Speaker 4: Trump created the Second Amendment Task Force within the Department

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Speaker 4: of Justice, and it's their job now to go out

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Speaker 4: and look for opportunities to promote and protect the Second Amendment.

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Speaker 4: And in fact, you're just recently pursuing to that development.

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Speaker 4: We had the Department of Justice file its own lawsuit

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Speaker 4: in the District of Columbia seeking to have the DC

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Speaker 4: gun ban assault weapon ban quote unquote set aside as unconstitutional.

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Speaker 4: But so think about this for a moment, and there

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Speaker 4: have been a lot of lawsuits across the country alleging

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Speaker 4: that any assault weapon ban quote unquote at the state

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Speaker 4: level or local level is unconstitutional. This one recently filed

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Speaker 4: by the Department of Justice. Just that it was filed

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Speaker 4: by the federal government. And think about how different that

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Speaker 4: is than the Biden administration or the Obama administration doing

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Speaker 4: anything and everything they could to attack your Second Amendment rights.

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Speaker 4: Now we actually have the United States Department of Justice

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Speaker 4: filing its own lawsuit to set aside an assault weapon ban.

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Speaker 4: That's huge. That's a big deal.

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Speaker 3: And it seems like whenever you have these administrations or

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Speaker 3: groups that are hell bent on having gun control of subkind,

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Speaker 3: it has the adverse effect because more and more people

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Speaker 3: start saying, well, you know what, maybe I better go.

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Speaker 1: Get my firearm.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you know, I've never had a gun before, but

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Speaker 3: I want to go get one now because I don't

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Speaker 3: like the way you guys are talking over here. It

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Speaker 3: feels like it backfires when they try to do this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and that's exactly what's happened, because we keep

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Speaker 4: setting records year after year after year for gun sales,

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Speaker 4: and that's that's been a trend for some time.

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Speaker 3: It's continued, and these are legal, you know, everything's done

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Speaker 3: right gun.

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Speaker 4: Sales well, because they're measured by background checks performed by

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Speaker 4: the FBI as part of a gun sale. So that's

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Speaker 4: how they track them, is that they're legal sales. And

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Speaker 4: what's interesting is those numbers continue to go up and

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Speaker 4: up and up more and more states. We're up to

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Speaker 4: twenty nine, almost thirty. If North Carolina can overturn a

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Speaker 4: veto by their governor, will have thirty states that have

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Speaker 4: passed constitutional carry, which is permitless carry. And guess what

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Speaker 4: the murder rate is doing a year after year here

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Speaker 4: just recently, it keeps plummeting every year. In fact, twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five maybe twenty percent lower than twenty twenty four

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Speaker 4: and set a record on per capita in terms of

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Speaker 4: the lowest murder rate we've seen when more and more

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Speaker 4: and more Americans not only are buying guns, but they

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Speaker 4: are carrying guns in public. What's I tell you?

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Speaker 3: And now you've got liberal journalists and we see this

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Speaker 3: here in Indiana trying to spend themselves into a pretzel saying, well,

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Speaker 3: these justifiable homicides are still homicides, like we've seen that here.

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Speaker 4: Oh they're bemoaning that. They're going, oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: They would rather have you be murdered than defend yourself.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I understand Ryan Meers can't get a

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Speaker 4: conviction off a homicide because it turns out to be

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Speaker 4: a justifiable homicide. Well, why aren't we cheering that, saying,

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Speaker 4: wait a minute, the good guy won here. Why aren't

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Speaker 4: we happy that this innocent homeowner or innocent person on

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Speaker 4: the street who was the intended victim of a violent

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Speaker 4: crime on the street. Why aren't we cheering the fact

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Speaker 4: that they won right and the bad guys dead and

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Speaker 4: not the good guy. But yeah, you hear, you hear

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Speaker 4: people like Russ McQuaid and Ryan Meers bemoaning that fact

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Speaker 4: when in fact, illegal homicides are plummeting because more Americans

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Speaker 4: and including more Hoosiers, have the legal capacity, legal right

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Speaker 4: to defend themselves, including in public.

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Speaker 3: Come back for a quick segment. You bet Monday Gun

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Speaker 3: Day with the gun Guy. This is the hammer in

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Speaker 3: Nigel Show. Nowhere near as wendy as it was earlier,

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Speaker 3: but still pretty cold. Twenty four at the American Standard

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Speaker 3: Heating Weather Center. It is Monday Gun Day. We've got

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Speaker 3: Guy Relford with us. So, guy, you gave us a

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Speaker 3: little look back at twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Let's look forward.

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Speaker 3: What can two a enthusiasts, law abiding gun owners look

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Speaker 3: forward to in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Well, what's interesting is the Supreme Court, the US Supreme

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Speaker 4: Court has accepted two cases to two A cases, and

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Speaker 4: we'll see those rulings sometime in twenty twenty six. And

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Speaker 4: anytime the Second Amendment gets reviewed in any context in

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court. It's big news because they don't take

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Speaker 4: that many two AA cases.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say it seems rare they're taking two.

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Speaker 4: It really is, and they they can too. One is

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Speaker 4: to look at whether someone who's a regular marijuana user

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Speaker 4: can be prosecuted for possessing a firearm even though there

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Speaker 4: was no evidence they were high on marijuana at the

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Speaker 4: time they were found with a gun. Just the fact

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Speaker 4: that they're a habitual user of marijuana. Is that enough

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Speaker 4: under the statute that says that you may not possess

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Speaker 4: a firearm if you're a user of or addicted to

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Speaker 4: any illegal drug. And marijuana is still illegal at the federal.

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Speaker 3: Level, right, So the gray area becomes these states where

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Speaker 3: it's legal, but that's at the state level, not at

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Speaker 3: the federal level.

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Speaker 4: That's right. And since it's a federal statute that says

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Speaker 4: you can't possess a gun if you're a user of

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Speaker 4: an illegal drug, then the federal statute directly applies saying

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Speaker 4: marijuana is still illegal. So this is guy HARMANI. Now

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Speaker 4: HARMANI apparently is not a very great guy. Guy has

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Speaker 4: some connections to Iran, some questions of whether he was

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Speaker 4: a susociated in anti America Islamic activities. So there's a

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Speaker 4: bunch of background though we don't like very much. But

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Speaker 4: in a vacuum, you would like to think that this

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Speaker 4: case would would leave the Supreme Court to say, hold

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Speaker 4: on someone who simply uses marijuana occasionally but was not

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Speaker 4: even under the influence at the time they were found

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Speaker 4: with a gun, how do we want to prosecute that

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Speaker 4: guy put him in jail for ten years, particularly when

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the number is because it's not

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Speaker 4: my issue. I mean, aren't there even a majority of

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Speaker 4: the states now that have legalized either medicinal or even

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Speaker 4: recreational marijuana or both.

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Speaker 3: So if he gets into a brawl at a bar

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Speaker 3: and gets arrested, if he has a ball at home

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Speaker 3: just been sitting there under his kitchen sink forever, that's

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Speaker 3: going to be something that could get him ten years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, ten years in federal prison. And that's the issue.

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Speaker 4: So we'll see. And you know old saying, You've heard

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Speaker 4: me say it many times, Jason, that bad facts make

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Speaker 4: bad law. So I'm not excited that HARMANI is not

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Speaker 4: necessarily the poster child you'd like to see going up

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Speaker 4: on this issue right, But we'll see what the Supreme

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Speaker 4: Court that does with that, and then very quickly the

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Speaker 4: other case that Supreme Court took is Hawaii's law. Is

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Speaker 4: this constitutional that they say you cannot carry a gun?

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Speaker 4: It's illegal under Hawaii law to carry a gun into

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Speaker 4: a business or other private property unless the property owner

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Speaker 4: has already given you prior consent to possess a firearm

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Speaker 4: on their property. So unless there's a big sign on

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Speaker 4: the wall that says, yes, you can carry a gun

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Speaker 4: in my store, and I carry a gun in some

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Speaker 4: store that the property owner may just not feel one

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Speaker 4: way or the other about it. But in Hawaii, I

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Speaker 4: go to jail unless I have prior permission to take

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Speaker 4: my gun on private property. That clearly, in my mind

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Speaker 4: is unconstitutional. And I think we'll see that ruling from

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: If somebody has any questions for you, maybe they want

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Speaker 3: to hire you, maybe they have questions about the law.

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Speaker 4: Where can they go? If you want to contact me professionally,

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Speaker 4: come through the websites Ralford Law dot com, ralfordlaw dot com.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise follow me on Twitter or x is just to

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Speaker 4: act all right?

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Speaker 3: Coming up next Guy's going to stick around because he's

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Speaker 3: filling in for Nigel all show long. We talked about

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Speaker 3: this a little bit earlier, but we'll get into the

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Speaker 3: Mark Sanchez update because there is an update, and what

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Speaker 3: the hell is going on in Minnesota?

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Speaker 1: That's next Hammer and Nigel.

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Speaker 5: You believe these characters are weirdos.

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Speaker 3: Hey, now it's the Hammer and Nigel Show. I'm Jason Hammer.

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Speaker 4: Big.

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Speaker 1: Nige's out.

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Speaker 3: He's still recovering from that pine Cone incident that we

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Speaker 3: were told not.

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Speaker 1: To speak of. But Guy Raelford is filling in and Guy.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this a little bit earlier when John

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Speaker 3: Nett came in to recap the top five biggest stories

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five in Indiana, the Mark Sanchez story

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Speaker 3: was one of the biggest stories. We have an update

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Speaker 3: today and again we touched on this earlier, but I

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Speaker 3: feel like being a defensi attorn you can kind of

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Speaker 3: take us into an area where we can get some

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Speaker 3: explanation of why this is happening.

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Speaker 1: So Fox Corporation is asking.

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Speaker 3: For the lawsuit stemming from Mark Sanchez's brawl downtown to

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Speaker 3: be moved to a federal court and out of Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Fox Corps, pointing out that.

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Speaker 3: Sanchez and themselves Fox both out of state defendants. Now

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Speaker 3: they go on to claim that the parent company of

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Speaker 3: Saint Elmo Steakhouse, Hughes Culinary, was fraudulent, fraudulently joined in

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Speaker 3: this lawsuit with the sole intention of keeping this case

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Speaker 3: in Indiana, because if you remember, the victim added Hughes Culinary,

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Speaker 3: who full discretion advertisers here on the Hammer In Nigel Show.

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Speaker 3: We've got a good relationship with those guys. But the

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Speaker 3: victim and his legal team were basically saying, hey, maybe

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Speaker 3: s Ranchas was over served by these guys allegedly and

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Speaker 3: they need to be held responsible too.

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Speaker 1: So they were added to this lawsuit.

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Speaker 3: But now Fox is trying to get this moved to

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Speaker 3: a federal court. They say Hughes Culinary was added and

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Speaker 3: it's bull crap.

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Speaker 1: Walk me through what's really happening here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's going on is it's just a fight over

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Speaker 4: whether the lawsuit and again we're talking about the civil

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Speaker 4: lawsuit here now, so we're not talking about the criminal

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Speaker 4: prosecution of Mark Sanchez, totally different issue. So we're talking

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Speaker 4: about the civil lawsuit basically filed by the person who

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Speaker 4: was injured right correct, beat up by Mark Sanchez. The

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Speaker 4: whole issue is whether this stays in state court and

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Speaker 4: I believe filed in Marion County, or whether it is

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Speaker 4: moved and still stay in Indiana. But it would be

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Speaker 4: in Indiana in federal court, and as a defendant a

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Speaker 4: lot of times, as a defendant, you'd much rather be

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Speaker 4: in federal court. You're going to get a much more

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Speaker 4: broad jury pool. In other words, here in the Southern

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Speaker 4: District of Indiana's the federal district we're in. We're in there,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna call from You're gonna call jurors in from

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Speaker 4: the whole district, basically from Indianapolis, you know, south, and

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Speaker 4: so you're gonna get a different jury pool, you're gonna

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Speaker 4: have more procedural safeguards. I think defendants tend to think

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Speaker 4: of it that way.

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Speaker 3: Inside Fox feels like they might not be able to

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Speaker 3: get a fair shake if they just keep it in

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Speaker 3: downtown Indianapolis. So they're trying to expand the playing field, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And just get it into federal court because they believe

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Speaker 4: that gives them more of an advantage than being stuck

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Speaker 4: in Marion County in state court. So that's what it's about.

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Speaker 4: You can't move a case into federal court in this

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Speaker 4: instance where there's no federal question, no federal legal question,

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Speaker 4: and there's no diversity of citizenship. And in that context,

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Speaker 4: you have to have complete diversity. In other words, everybody

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Speaker 4: has to be from different states, as between all defendants

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Speaker 4: and all plaintiffs. So by suing a low entity that

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Speaker 4: is the parent company of Saint Elmo's that if they're

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Speaker 4: an Indiana entity, now all of a sudden, there's not

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Speaker 4: diversity of citizenship. You can't move it into federal court.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And so without Hugh's culinary, because that's who the

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Speaker 3: parent company is here, let's just keep it as Mark Sanchez,

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Speaker 3: Fox and the victim. You've got Fox whose headquarters are

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Speaker 3: on the East coast.

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Speaker 4: Who's Mark Sanchez's employer, that's why they're joint.

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Speaker 3: You've got Mark Sanchez who lives in California, right, and

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Speaker 3: then the victim that lives here in Indiana.

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Speaker 4: So if it's just.

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Speaker 3: Those three, it's you know, everybody in different places. That

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Speaker 3: would be a situation where it could go to a

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Speaker 3: federal court, yes, but by adding a local restaurant in

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Speaker 3: that's where it would stay at a local level, and

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Speaker 3: this is why Fox is saying that Hughes Culinary was

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Speaker 3: added fraudulently.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and listen, I mean if the allegation is called

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Speaker 4: a dram shop back, you know, if some place and

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Speaker 4: I'm not commenting at all on the merits of whether

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Speaker 4: this happened or not, but if a local bar overserved

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Speaker 4: someone and they go out and injure someone, it's called

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Speaker 4: a dram shop case. That's been around forever, and you've

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Speaker 4: seen those lawsuits around forever. So it's going to be

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Speaker 4: interesting to see exactly what the argument is to say

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Speaker 4: they were fraudulently joined into that. And that's the only

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Speaker 4: way you can say, well, there's still diversities because these

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Speaker 4: people should be essentially kicked out as potential defendants. Well,

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Speaker 4: it's a viable cause of action to say that someone

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Speaker 4: overserved in this case, Mark Sanchez, and they then went

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Speaker 4: out and injured someone as a result. That happens all

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Speaker 4: the time.

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Speaker 3: Guy Relford with us filling in for Big Knowledge. Earlier today,

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Speaker 3: Christy Nomes sent Homeland Security agents to Minnesota to look

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Speaker 3: into a number of different things where fraud is taking place.

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Speaker 3: And when I say fraud, we're talking about billions of

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Speaker 3: dollars with a fraud. Here guy from ridiculous childcare centers

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Speaker 3: that might not exist, other programs allegedly ran by the government.

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Speaker 3: Smalli's occupying some of these different areas. Up to six

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Speaker 3: billion dollars. That's what a bee could be on the

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Speaker 3: line here of people screwing over taxpayers in Minnesota. And

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Speaker 3: now Christy nom has sent a task force in. FBI

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Speaker 3: Director Cash Battel also sending additional resources in. This is

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Speaker 3: a big deal, guy, And I'm not just saying this

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Speaker 3: because Minnesota is a liberal state or Tim Walls is

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a you know what, six billion

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Speaker 3: dollars the taxpayers have been screwed out of.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's huge. And listen, I'd never heard of this

751
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Speaker 4: sort of independent reporter Nick Shirley before, but I've seen

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Speaker 4: a bunch of his videos here just recently where he's

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Speaker 4: gone in and he's found these daycares that have received

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Speaker 4: millions and millions of and he's gone in and he's

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Speaker 4: found neighbors and said, hey, there's a sign on the

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Speaker 4: building over here says daycare. Have you ever seen a

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Speaker 4: kid or a parent go in and out of this building? No,

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Speaker 4: I've never seen a single human being ever go in

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Speaker 4: and out of that building. Over the last year or

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Speaker 4: two years or three years.

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Speaker 3: One of the signs had child care spelled in correctly.

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Speaker 4: Exactly. So what's fascinating to me is there have been

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Speaker 4: millions of dollars, to your point, Jason, of taxpayer dollars

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Speaker 4: funneled into these things in the name of childcare or education,

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Speaker 4: and it turns out a whole big bunch of it

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Speaker 4: is fraud. And what's going to be really interesting is

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Speaker 4: following the money. Is this just individuals who are bilking

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Speaker 4: the government or is that money also coming back to

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Speaker 4: elected officials in Minnesota in some way? That seems to

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Speaker 4: be the direction that the investigation is going. Is going

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Speaker 4: to be really interesting to see whether whether that bears

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Speaker 4: fruit or not.

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Speaker 3: And if it's happening in Minnesota, h I am telling

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Speaker 3: you what's happening other places too. You mentioned Nick Shirley.

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Speaker 3: This is the independent journalist who broke this story. He

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Speaker 3: jumped on Fox and said, look, I'm happy to have

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Speaker 3: broke this story, but there needs to be some consequences here.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, they're better be changed. People are demanding it. The

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Speaker 10: investigations have been launched just from that video alone. And

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Speaker 10: so they're better be changed because, like I said, we

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Speaker 10: work way too hard to be paying taxes. We work

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Speaker 10: way too hard to be not knowing where our money's going.

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Speaker 10: And at the end of the day, people in the government,

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Speaker 10: they work for us. We don't work for them. And

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Speaker 10: so it's their responsibility to hold these people accountable. And

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Speaker 10: so if there's not something that's happened, people are gonna

787
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Speaker 10: be very frustrated. And so at President Trump's watching this,

788
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Speaker 10: it's time to really get down to the agrity and

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Speaker 10: to make a difference in this place of Minnesota that

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Speaker 10: is pretty much like Somaliland.

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Speaker 3: Right now, and quick correction, the word learning was spelled incorrectly.

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Speaker 3: I think I said childcare. The word learning was spelled

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Speaker 3: incorrect spell That's interesting right there, right now, here's where

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Speaker 3: I'm at with this. This is a big picture takeaway. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm glad we found this. I hope people go to jail.

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Speaker 3: I don't have my hopes high because it seems like

797
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Speaker 3: these people tend to get away with this crap all

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Speaker 3: the time. Guy, But if it took an independent journalist,

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Speaker 3: just some dude this long to realize up to six

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Speaker 3: billion dollars maybe fraudulently used here.

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Speaker 1: We are way over taxed as a nation.

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Speaker 3: If six billion dollars goes missing and it takes a

803
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Speaker 3: while for somebody to say, hey, wait a minute, what's

804
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Speaker 3: going on here? Or if they're shenanigans about where it goes,

805
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Speaker 3: we are overtaxed. Like we're talking about six billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: I feel like Alan iverson here. We're talking about practice,

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Speaker 3: not you know, some little mom and pop shop that

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Speaker 3: was a little late filing their W nine or whatever

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Speaker 3: W two.

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Speaker 1: This is a big deal.

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Speaker 3: If we can't keep track of this stuff, we are overtaxed.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what I'm sick of too, Jason. I'm

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Speaker 4: sick of hearing stories like, well, you know, a bunch

814
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Speaker 4: of aid to Ukraine actually ended up get gettting funneled

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Speaker 4: back to corrupt politicians in the US, or a big

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Speaker 4: portion of US AID money. Right once we had doze

817
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Speaker 4: looking into where all the US AID money. It turns

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Speaker 4: out that was a big slush fund for Democrat politicians

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Speaker 4: and a lot of that came back to the DNC

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Speaker 4: or to individual Democrat politicians. I'm tired of hearing these

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Speaker 4: stories of where this money ended up and nobody going

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Speaker 4: to jail. When's somebody gonna go to jail? That's what

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Speaker 4: I want to see.

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Speaker 3: We've been saying that for a long time about a

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Speaker 3: lot of different stuff.

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Speaker 1: Guy, I'm with you again.

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Speaker 3: I don't have my hopes high, but I can hope

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Speaker 3: not bear what's up.

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Speaker 4: Presents.

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Speaker 8: It depends upon what the meaning of the word is.

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Speaker 4: Is this anything?

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Speaker 3: Money is the sit It ain't brought to you by

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Speaker 3: Indiana Unclaimed, a program presented by the Attorney General's Office.

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Speaker 3: Here in Indiana, the Attorney General's Office reuniting hoosiers with

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Speaker 3: over one million dollars and unclaimed property every single week, fast, easy,

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Speaker 3: and I can't stress this enough.

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Speaker 1: It's free, free to search at Indiana Unclaimed dot gov.

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Speaker 1: I believe you found some money there once, right.

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Speaker 4: Guy, oh man, I got twenty five hundred dollars BODNA unclaimed,

840
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Speaker 4: primarily an old bank account I opened when I was

841
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Speaker 4: like cutting grass when I was like ten years old.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome, and yeah, that was a big deal. In fact,

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Speaker 4: I sent a picture to an Attorney general and said,

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Speaker 4: thank you so much. Man. This was uh. I guess

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Speaker 4: what I did with that twenty five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: It's either meat cigars or bourbon rifle rifle bought a

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Speaker 3: Damn that was.

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Speaker 1: Too easy of an answer. I was trying to go

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Speaker 1: outside the box.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love very nice ar with that and an

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Speaker 3: optic nice all right, I think I already know the

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Speaker 3: answer to this, but I'm gonna ask you anyway. Is

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Speaker 3: this anything the Indianapolis Colts missing the playoffs? Yeah, once

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Speaker 3: again Carly Ursa with some decisions to make now, is

855
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: this anything?

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00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 4: Of course? I mean it's you know, the fact that

857
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 4: we haven't won the division since what twenty fourteen is something.

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Speaker 4: It's something every year.

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Speaker 3: And it's not like it's the NFC East or the

860
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Speaker 3: you know, NFC North, where there are a bunch of

861
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Speaker 3: competitive teams year in and year out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the Jaguiars, who are going to win

863
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Speaker 4: the division by all appearances right now, had four wins

864
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Speaker 4: last year and we can't compete with these people when

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Speaker 4: we dominated that division from the time it was created

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Speaker 4: up through certainly the Peyton years and into the Andrew Luckier.

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Speaker 4: So it is something for that reason. It's especially something

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Speaker 4: when you start out seven and one, even eight and

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Speaker 4: two and then go one and seven over your last

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Speaker 4: eight games.

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Speaker 3: That's uh, that's unacceptable. That's not acceptably, even if your

872
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 3: quarterback goes down. Even if your quarterback goes down one

873
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Speaker 3: and seven, Well, you just saw brock Prudy go what

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00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: he was out eight games, And look at San Francisco

875
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Speaker 3: this year. There are other teams that are better suited

876
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Speaker 3: to respond when they lose key players. That's what a

877
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: GM supposed to do.

878
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Speaker 4: That's why I think a lot of focus, as it

879
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 4: is every year it has been for five, six, seven years,

880
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 4: is going to be on Ballard and whether we retain

881
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 4: him as GM, and uh and and and listen, I'm

882
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Speaker 4: hoping that the new regime, I mean, since we lost

883
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 4: Jimmy Orsay. And listen, I've met him several times. I

884
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 4: like Jimmy Orsay. I was sorry when he died. But

885
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 4: I also hope for a little fresh perspective and and

886
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 4: and and I think he could be a little soft.

887
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: I think Jimmy cared about people. I think he got

888
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 4: close to Pe.

889
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: He was a little too loyal because he cared about people.

890
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,479
Speaker 4: I think he cares heard about individuals. He got close

891
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 4: to him exactly to your point. And I think it

892
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 4: was hard for him to make tough decisions. And I'm

893
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 4: hoping perhaps the next generation is going to look at

894
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 4: things a little differently because this is not this is

895
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 4: not okay that we should not accept. You know, eight wins,

896
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 4: seven wins a year after year after year and uh

897
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: and what eleven twelve seasons now without winning the division?

898
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 4: That's not okay. And this is definitely something.

899
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Speaker 3: On the YouTube chat bart miss foul sports boring, tell

900
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 3: me that that's not Tim Wall's burner account. That is

901
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: Tim Wall's burner account right there.

902
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wait, somebody listens to Hammer and Nigel is complaining

903
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Speaker 4: about talking about sports. I'm sorry that we we work

904
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 4: that in I say we, you guys and me when

905
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 4: I'm sitting in on occasion. We work that into every

906
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Speaker 4: show and it's a big focus.

907
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Speaker 1: We were to show about dudes.

908
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Speaker 4: We're a show about dudes and other people of like minds.

909
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 4: And hey, your guy, I've gone to some pacer games

910
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: with and gone to the Indy five hundred with. Yeah,

911
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 4: we'll talk about sports from time to time. You bet?

912
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Speaker 1: Is this anything?

913
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Speaker 3: A Florida man has filed a lawsuit against Outback Steakhouse,

914
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Speaker 3: alleging that the handicapped toilet he used at one of

915
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Speaker 3: their locations suddenly shattered and collapsed while he was using it.

916
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: He says he sustained quote, severe bodily injury and permanent

917
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Speaker 3: loss of an important bodily function and loss of capacity

918
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Speaker 3: for the enjoyment of life as a result of this

919
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Speaker 3: toilet shattering at an outback in Florida.

920
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Speaker 1: Is this anything?

921
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, in order to determine if this is

922
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Speaker 4: anything or not, Jason, what's the first question that popped

923
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Speaker 4: into your head when you read this story? What was

924
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 4: the first thing that made you wonder about the facts

925
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Speaker 4: of this case.

926
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Speaker 3: Well, the first thing that popped into my head was

927
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Speaker 3: the toilet's finally getting revenge for all the damage I've

928
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Speaker 3: done to it over the years.

929
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Speaker 1: It's revenge of the toilet. That's what I took.

930
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Speaker 4: Didn't come on? Did that come into your head before

931
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Speaker 4: you thought how much this guy weigh who sat on

932
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Speaker 4: this toilet?

933
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Florida man at an outback steakhouse. I'm

934
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Speaker 3: willing to bet it's probably not Bradley Cooper. It's probably

935
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Speaker 3: not Michael Phelps.

936
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Speaker 4: Right at the same time, I mean, that's the first

937
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Speaker 4: question that pops into my mind, is this some four

938
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Speaker 4: hundred pound guy. At the same time, is there a

939
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Speaker 4: maximum capacity for a toilet? And if so, shouldn't that

940
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Speaker 4: be posted somewhere? And listen, I'm not trying to justify

941
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Speaker 4: silly lawsuits. Even as a lawyer. I'm anti frivolous lawsuit passionately.

942
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: But is there a maximum capacity? If I'm four hundred pounds,

943
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Speaker 4: should I not be able to sit on a standard

944
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Speaker 4: toilet in a bathroom? That's interesting to me. So I

945
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 4: think this is something. I think you should be able

946
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Speaker 4: to use a toilet uless there's some warning to the

947
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Speaker 4: contrary without the thing shattering and injuring you in the process.

948
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Speaker 3: Okay, And I'll do Devil's advocate here. Bet If I'm

949
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Speaker 3: in charge of bringing in the toilets to the outback steakhouse,

950
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Speaker 3: especially in Florida, I have to know that the folks

951
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Speaker 3: coming into my restaurant are probably.

952
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Speaker 1: Going to be some biggins, probably going to be some biggins.

953
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Speaker 11: And I just say it was also in the handicap stall,

954
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Speaker 11: so you know, it's more room, it's bigger in those.

955
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Speaker 11: Maybe you're correct they maybe they wasn't up the code

956
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Speaker 11: in the handicap stall.

957
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Speaker 3: You got to know who your audience is, right Like,

958
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Speaker 3: I'm willing to bet they probably cut a few corners

959
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: and said, oh, let's go with this porcelain company. No

960
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 3: in Florida at an outback steakhouse, and I would make

961
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Speaker 3: the same argument for a waffle house. You have to

962
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Speaker 3: know who your guests are coming in and what they

963
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Speaker 3: look like.

964
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Speaker 4: So you're not even being Devil's advocate. You're agreeing with

965
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Speaker 4: me because because you ought to be able to design

966
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Speaker 4: a toilet right in and out back steakhouse that's going

967
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Speaker 4: to support your clientele, and you're not going to put

968
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Speaker 4: cheap toilets in there. They're going to collapse and cause

969
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Speaker 4: somebody an injury. I think this is something.

970
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Speaker 3: The kind of guy that's on an all blooming onion diet,

971
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Speaker 3: he's going to need something sturdy.

972
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Speaker 1: It's the Hammer and Nigel showsten to the Hammer and

973
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Speaker 1: Nichel Show, Big Nightge's out, Guy Roeford filling in. I'm

974
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: Jason Hammer.

975
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Speaker 3: President Trump, he's been doing a little meet and greet,

976
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Speaker 3: had a little chat with Zolensky, had a little chat

977
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Speaker 3: with Bbe, trying to work on getting that Nobel Peace Prize.

978
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Speaker 4: Guy.

979
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Speaker 3: Let's start with President Trump meeting with Zolensky. They met

980
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 3: at mar A Lago over the weekend, continuing to try

981
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 3: to figure out a way to end this war. And

982
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: I think Trump's at the point now where he realizes

983
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 3: I may have.

984
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: Overpromised a little bit. I could end this war in

985
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: the first day. Well, here we are still dealing with

986
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: this crap.

987
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: He's chatting with both. Communication lines are open. It seems

988
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: like Zelensky's getting more and more open to the concept

989
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 3: of having to give up a little bit, but we're

990
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 3: not quite there yet.

991
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 4: Your thoughts, well, you know you need two parties to

992
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 4: reach any deal, right, You got to have both people

993
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 4: at the table, both people wanting to cut a deal.

994
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 4: And I'm a little cynical as long as US money

995
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 4: is flowing into Ukraine, whether directly or indirectly through other countries,

996
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 4: I'm a little cynical about whether Zelensky really wants a

997
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 4: deal or not, because that money's flown in and it's

998
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 4: not real. They're not real good safeguards. And my understanding

999
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: is including hearing from some members of US Congress about

1000
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 4: what happens that money once it goes into Ukraine. So

1001
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 4: I'm a little cynical about whether Zolensky wants to resolve

1002
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 4: that conflict or not. And Putin has to have something

1003
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 4: that looks like absolute victory for him to be a

1004
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 4: hero at home, right, that's his goal. He has to

1005
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 4: be able to declare it or win.

1006
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 3: It can't be a stalemate, and he's got that leverage

1007
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 3: right now, honestly, And what Nige and I have been

1008
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: talking about is, you know, it might not be the

1009
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: most popular thing to say, but Russia has been winning

1010
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 3: this war. They will ultimately win this war. Now, is

1011
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 3: there a military overrated? Sure, we thought they would crush

1012
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: these dudes in a matter of weeks, but it's been

1013
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 3: years now. But under no circumstance is there a path

1014
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 3: of victory for Ukraine.

1015
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 4: Right, So, if Putin stays with the war, he's gonna

1016
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 4: be able to declare victory at some point. Whatever he

1017
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 4: decides victory looks like. So I'm cynical about his willingness

1018
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 4: to reach a deal. Zelensky, I still think has a

1019
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 4: financial incentive to keep the aid flowing. So I'm not

1020
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 4: sure he really wants a deal and doesn't want to

1021
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 4: admit anything that looks like a defeat from his end.

1022
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 4: That makes me cynical about the ability to close the

1023
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 4: gap and actually reach a deal on this thing.

1024
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 3: Then President Trump met with bab netan Yahoo, and yes,

1025
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 3: they talked a little bit about what's going on with

1026
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 3: Israel and Hamas. Just because things have quieted down does

1027
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 3: mean all is well. To quote Kevin Bacon and Animal

1028
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: House here all as well, there are pockets where people

1029
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: get squirrely. But more than anything else, I think they

1030
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: were talking about what to do with Iran, because Iran,

1031
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: according to reports, they're getting that nuke program rolling again,

1032
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 3: they're working with bad actors, and of course with Israel

1033
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: being right there, this is something that's of importance to

1034
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: both Israel and the United States.

1035
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, when we dropped the bunker busters on Iran,

1036
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: on their nuclear facility over there, the development facility, a

1037
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 4: lot of people I think just kind of close the

1038
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 4: book on the chapter of Iran being a global risk.

1039
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 4: And I disagreed at the time that I saw that

1040
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 4: mentality start to arise, and I disagree with it today.

1041
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: And I think that's an incredibly important discussion. And who

1042
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 4: is more interested in that issue than Israel in the

1043
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 4: United States. So I'm glad those discussions are going on

1044
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 4: and I'm glad we're not going to just declare, you know,

1045
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 4: mission scomplished right right, and think that thing's over when

1046
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 4: clearly Iran doesn't think so, and they're going to continue

1047
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 4: trying to become the global threat that they really want

1048
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 4: to become.

1049
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 3: Guy Reelford in for Big Knowledge, We've been talking a

1050
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 3: lot lately about Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman post stroke. Fetterman

1051
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 3: has actually been the voice of reason for the Democrat Party. Now,

1052
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: make no mistake, he's not a Republican, he's not a conservative,

1053
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 3: and he will be the first to tell you that.

1054
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 3: But he also makes it clear I'm not one of

1055
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: these lunatics that are running the Democratic Party into the ground.

1056
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: Fetterman sees that this is not a path to win elections.

1057
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 3: Having dudes undressed in front of girls in the locker

1058
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 3: room not good for business. Being pro Venezuelan drug VOTs

1059
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 3: not good for business. So he's been speaking out against

1060
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 3: his own part, and he jumped on CNN to do

1061
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: a little bit more of it.

1062
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Speaker 12: Clearly we've lost the argument, and now right now I

1063
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 12: think it's entirely appropriate to really be honest and just

1064
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 12: figure out why exactly have we effectively lost two out

1065
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 12: of less three cycles and a lot of the things.

1066
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 12: We've really kind of really lost our connection with American

1067
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 12: voters in ways. And I think we can't just be well,

1068
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 12: Trump is always wrong, or that we're going to set

1069
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 12: the country on fire or whatever. That's just not true either,

1070
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 12: of course. But you know, when I represent a state

1071
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 12: like Pennsylvania, that keeps you honest and you always can't

1072
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 12: forget that a lot of Americans happen to disagree with you,

1073
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 12: that does not mean that they are fascists or now

1074
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 12: they want to shred the Constitution.

1075
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: So, guy, we were talking about this off the air

1076
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 3: a little bit. Democrats for a long time have had

1077
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: a problem appealing to men, appealing to dudes. Fetterman sees

1078
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: that as a problem of why they keep getting their

1079
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 3: ass handed to them. And he's like, hey, guys, I

1080
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 3: might not be the most popular Democrat here. I'm not AOC,

1081
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,959
Speaker 3: I'm not you know some of these other folks up here.

1082
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: But we're going to have to change our moo. We

1083
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: can't double down.

1084
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 4: Well yeah, and you know, as a Republican, there's someone

1085
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 4: who cheers on victories by Republicans. I almost hate to

1086
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 4: see this from John Fetterman, because of course I agree

1087
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 4: with everything he's saying. But what I what I hate

1088
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: to see is the injection of some logic and reason

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Speaker 4: into the Democrat platform. And I'm going, oh, man, I

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Speaker 4: hope AOC you know in Bernie and the rest of

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00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 4: the liberal wackos, progressive wackos just jump all over him

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Speaker 4: and shut him up. Because the last thing I want

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00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 4: to see is anyone in the Democrat Party start waking

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Speaker 4: up to say hold on. I probably shouldn't use the

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00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 4: term waking up. That's a misuse there, but you know,

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Speaker 4: to actually get ation that, oh my god, we are

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00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 4: destroying our own platform and our own party and our

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00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 4: own credibility by ignoring some obvious truths from somebody like

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Speaker 4: John Fetterman.

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Speaker 3: Because right now the faces of the Democratic Party are

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Speaker 3: Jasmine Crockett, aoc Ihan Omar, and Fetterman's like, are you

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Speaker 3: trying to lose?

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Speaker 1: Are you trying to lose?

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00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: You bring up up Bernie Sanders, old man, Bernie, he's

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00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: got his diaper in a twist about AI. So Bernie

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00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 3: comes out the other day and says the impact of

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00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence on the economic aspect of this country is

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Speaker 3: going to be problematic for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Now, what I took from that is.

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00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: That Bernie is scared that AI will show people socialism

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Speaker 3: sucks and that everything he's been doing has been just

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00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: one big grift.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think information is the enemy of

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00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 4: the Democrat Party espects to me the socialists, and easy

1116
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 4: access exactly to more accurate information is the enemy of socialism.

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Speaker 4: So I can absolutely understand why he's why he's taking

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00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 4: that approach. Although I have to tell you, I mean,

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00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 4: you responded I posted, it's probably been three weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: I posted, I made my own meme and I said

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Speaker 4: the internet was better before AI, and you come out

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00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 4: and said, hold on, you've not seen some of the

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00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 4: productions from Hammer and Niger Records lately, at which I

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00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 4: had to agree with. But I mean, I hate AI

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Speaker 4: over the internet. It's wrong so often. I mean, I

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00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 4: had people, you know, posting things on my social media saying, no, guy,

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00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 4: that thing you said the other day was wrong, and

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Speaker 4: here's my you know, screenshot of my AI search and

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00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 4: it's just wrong. It's just flat ass wrong, and so

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00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 4: it drives me nuts. And I'm hoping that it's developed

1131
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: to such a degree that the credibility and accuracy gets

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00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 4: so much better.

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00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 3: I hear you loud and clear on guy, but here

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00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 3: to offer a different perspective, ladies and gentlemen, AI, Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 13: Look, if you teach people financial tips via artificial intelligence,

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01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 13: people then will then realize they have no excuse to

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01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 13: be lazy grifters depending on the government, I can't have that.

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Speaker 13: That's my entire business model. Being a lazy piece of

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01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 13: shit has been great for my brand and it's helped

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Speaker 13: me become the richest socialist in the world.

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Speaker 1: A I Bernie out see.

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Speaker 3: I think AI has been a gift at least it's

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01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 3: been a gift to the Hammer and Nigel Show.

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Speaker 4: You know what that right there? I mean that was

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01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 4: Bernie right. That is so scary to me. The fact

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01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 4: that AI can produce that, and how the videos are

1147
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 4: just as lifelike.

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01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it looked just like Nigel was making out with

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Speaker 3: Whoopee Goldberg.

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Speaker 2: It did.

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Speaker 1: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show. Seven more.

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01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 3: Just need seven more people, seven good looking hoosiers, people

1153
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 3: who look good naked to jump on the WIBC YouTube

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01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: stream and give us a like that gets us to

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01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: one hundred. That's a pretty good number considering everybody's either

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01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 3: at work, mailing it in or at home.

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01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: So seven more people.

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Speaker 3: If you think Guy Ralford's a badass, or if you

1159
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 3: are ready to have the greatest night of your life tonight,

1160
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 3: go to wibc's YouTube page and give us a like.

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Speaker 3: Just seven more twenty four at the American Standard Heating

1162
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 3: Weather Center. Coming up a little bit after five o'clock.

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01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk's killer appeared virtually in a court today.

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01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: We have an update on that. We've got a little

1165
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: booze news.

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01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,959
Speaker 3: We're going to try to do Ask the Gun Guy

1167
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 3: in the five o'clock hour, and we'll do some cults

1168
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 3: post mortem with Kevin Bowen. That's all coming up here

1169
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 3: after five. Guy Relford's filling in for Big Nige and Guy.

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01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 3: What we've been doing every day that we've been on

1171
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 3: the air since we found out IU was going to

1172
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 3: play Alabama is we have some very distasteful Alabama jokes

1173
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 3: because you know me, you don't have to twist my

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01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 3: arm to make fun of those hillbillies of Alabama. Maybe

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01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 3: that's the Tennessee volunteer blood in me coming out, just

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Speaker 3: a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I won't confirm nor deny, but we've been doing this

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01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: every single day since we found out the matchup today

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01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: is going to be no different. Now, before we get

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01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: to the Alabama jokes of the day, I got a

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01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: voicemail about some of the jokes we did last week.

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Speaker 7: Fine, my name is. We were just traveling along listening

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01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 7: to IBC and listening to Nigel and Hammer, and they

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01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 7: told a joke on there about an Alabama guy crossing

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01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 7: the street having sex with his sister. That's probably efficient.

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01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 7: I've never heard Nigel and Hammer do anything like that before. Really,

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Speaker 7: the usually pretty good. That's horrible, actually, the sceptic and

1188
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 7: is really illegal to have sex with your family member?

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01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 7: Like that what I want, folks? You know there Cayle

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01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 7: highly upset. I am to hear this all your All's

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01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 7: radio station. Really offensive.

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Speaker 3: I love that His breaking point on that was it's illegal.

1193
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 3: Like that's the part that really rubbed him the wrong way.

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01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 3: It's illegal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and by the way, way, it's only been illegal

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Speaker 4: in Alabama since nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say since two o'clock this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your feedback.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that but I promise you We've said way

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Speaker 3: worse on this program. Nigel is thrown up on the air,

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01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 3: I've gotten botox in a bar. We've done stupider things

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Speaker 3: on this program.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm in studio with you guys one day

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01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 4: a week and I fill in regularly, and I got

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01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 4: to tell you, I'm a little shocked that that was

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01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 4: the guy's tipping point. Right, I'm not getting that at all.

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Speaker 3: So with that being said, it's time for your Alabama jokes.

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01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 3: Hoosiers Bama coming up on New Year's Day? How can

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Speaker 3: you tell it was somebody from the state of Alabama

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01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 3: that invented the toothbrush, because had it been anybody else,

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01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 3: it will have been called the teeth brush in the

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01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 3: state of Alabama. The word variety variety means quote, hooking

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01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 3: up with your first and second cousins. Hopefully that wasn't

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01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 3: too offensive for the previous caller. Your daily dose of

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01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: Alabama Jyes, do you.

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01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 4: Know why they outlawed swimming in the rivers in Alabama?

1217
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: Why is that?

1218
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 4: All the bridges?

1219
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: Gott Ralford off the top rope and some Alabama jokes?

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01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it.

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Speaker 3: That will be a new Degenerates Nextdoor podcast that will

1222
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 3: be coming out as early as tomorrow, possibly later on tonight,

1223
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 3: where myself, Rob and the two professional sports handicappers we

1224
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 3: work with, Kenny Britt of kb's Sports and David stephanoff

1225
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 3: a Fallen ever Fate will have free plays on IU

1226
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 3: versus Alabama, So be looking. We haven't done a podcast

1227
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks because the move has happened.

1228
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 3: We've had some equipment issues, our pets, heads are falling off,

1229
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: everything was going wrong at the same time. So we're

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01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 3: trying to get a podcast going. Gonna record it tonight,

1231
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 3: might be out tonight, could be tomorrow. But if you're

1232
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: looking for a little action on that IU Alabama game,

1233
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 3: myself and the professionals will have it for you. Producer

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01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 3: Kurt's filling in for Allison. Here, Kurt jump on the mic. Here,

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Speaker 3: I you Alabama thoughts on your end?

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01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 11: I want I'm not an IU guy. I'm a predue

1237
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 11: guy through it through. I love the story, but I

1238
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 11: really think Alabama maybe takes this one and maybe embarrasses I.

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01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 4: You really, I do?

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01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: When did you join al Qaida?

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01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 4: Since two o'clock?

1242
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 3: And that's what we call a circle back, Baby, there

1243
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 3: you go, all right, do not go anywhere. We're having

1244
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 3: a good time with you guys. Guy Relford's here. We're

1245
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 3: gonna do some ask the Gun Guy later on and

1246
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 3: uh Man having a good time on kind of a

1247
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 3: holiday week. Turn the radio up, crack open a cold one,

1248
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 3: don't go anywhere.

1249
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: This is the Hammer and Nigel Show. Hammer and Nigel.

1250
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: Do you believe these characters are weirdos?

1251
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 10: So let's.

1252
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 3: Counting down the days until twenty twenty six. I'm Jason Hammer,

1253
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 3: Guy Relford, the Gun Guy, host of The Gun Guy Show,

1254
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 3: filling in for Big Nige here and Guy Tomorrow when

1255
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 3: John att Cruz comes in to recap the top five

1256
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 3: biggest stories in America on her daily segment with us,

1257
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 3: I know one of those stories is going to be

1258
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 3: the assassination of Charlie Kirk. You bet might even be

1259
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 3: the number one story. And his killer appeared virtually in

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01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 3: a court today. Now today was to a address the

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01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 3: media access in the upcoming proceedings. The judge is allowing

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 3: media to see the redacted transcript of the Gunman Tyler

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01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 3: Robinson's closed door hearing.

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01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 6: Now.

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01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: The audio of that.

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01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 3: Will be available in about two weeks, but we still

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01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 3: don't know definitively yet if cameras will be allowed in

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Speaker 3: the courtroom. Guy, if you were a defense attorney for

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01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson and on the other side, if you're the prosecutors,

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Speaker 3: do you want cameras in the courtroom?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, as a defense lawyer, I'll I'll address

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Speaker 4: that first. Absolutely not. I mean, I don't want anyone

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01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 4: in the courtroom, you know, playing for the cameras. I

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01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 4: don't want people more concerned about, you know, how they're

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01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 4: appearing on national television or even local television as compared

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01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 4: to you know, what's going on in the court. It's

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01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 4: a distraction. It's a distraction for everybody involved. And I've

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 4: faced this issue, including just recently, and I have always

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01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 4: opposed cameras in the courtroom as a lawyer.

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Speaker 3: When you say most recently, is this in regards to

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01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 3: the high profile Whitestown situation. Again, I'm walking on eggshells

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01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 3: because I don't know what you can and can't talk

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01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 3: about as you're part of that situation.

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01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: But is that what we're talking about here?

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01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I mean again, I won't talk about that

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01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 4: case substantively at all, as you know, and as you've

1287
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 4: been great about respecting, but I can talk about what

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01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 4: is part of the official proceedings. And there have been

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01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 4: requests filed, including for the initial hearing, to have cameras

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Speaker 4: in the courtroom from national media and local media, and

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Speaker 4: that's up to the judges discretion. And I'm okay with

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01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 4: that rule. I mean, I like allowing judges to decide.

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Speaker 4: But where it's going to be a disruption or distraction

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01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 4: or in any way to track from the fairness of

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01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 4: the proceedings, then I'm all about keeping them out. Now

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01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 4: that's the lawyer in me, right. You know, I'm not

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Speaker 4: a lawyer.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a defense attorney, and I want cameras in

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Speaker 3: the court right.

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Speaker 4: And as a consumer of public information and as a

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Speaker 4: broadcaster and radio host, hey, I want as much access

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Speaker 4: as I can get, you know. And and I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm not someone who's gonna sit and binge watch a

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Speaker 4: lot of a trial. But you know, for instance, I

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Speaker 4: watched a lot of oj way back in the day,

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Speaker 4: and even I saw just what the news replayed on

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Speaker 4: the Johnny Depp more recent trial here, and you know what,

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Speaker 4: I tend to think those things turned into circuses a

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Speaker 4: little bit more than the quite a bit more actually

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Speaker 4: than the trials that are not broadcast. So I've never

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Speaker 4: been a fan as a lawyer, but as a consumer

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Speaker 4: of public information, oh yeah, I want to see every

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Speaker 4: bit I can see.

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Speaker 3: I feel like had cameras been allowed in the Delphi

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Speaker 3: court room, there wouldn't have been so many conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 3: There wouldn't have been so much of this and that

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Speaker 3: from the public, because it sounds like, based on the

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Speaker 3: reporting from the reporters that were there, one thing was

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Speaker 3: fed to the public, but those who were in the

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Speaker 3: courtroom said no, this was a pretty obvious case. Like

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Speaker 3: That's why I want the transparency there. I want to

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Speaker 3: be able to hear from myself and see what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 4: It makes perfect sense. And that's how you know, any

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Speaker 4: of us, as consumers of public information, are going to feel.

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Speaker 4: But as a trial lawyer, and I'm not directing this

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Speaker 4: at you at all because you're my buddy, but my

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01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 4: reaction is is that your opinion doesn't matter. You know,

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Speaker 4: the public's opinion doesn't matter. What it matters is the

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Speaker 4: opinion of the of the jury and the fairness of

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Speaker 4: the proceeding in terms of making sure that jury gets

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Speaker 4: to to hear the information in as perfect and in

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Speaker 4: sterile an environment as they possibly can to reach the

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Speaker 4: right verdict. Is what I'm what I'm interested in. And yes,

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Speaker 4: we're all interested and we all value our own opinions,

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01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 4: but public opinion just doesn't matter. And that's what the

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Speaker 4: trial lawyer in me says.

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Speaker 3: The murder of Charlie was intended to be a public spectacle.

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Speaker 3: The shooter wanted everybody to see it happened during an

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Speaker 3: event at turning point. I feel like the trial should

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Speaker 3: be a public spectacle. And when I say spectacle, I

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01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 3: don't mean circus, but I think it should be for

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Speaker 3: the public to see if you're Johnny tough guy enough

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Speaker 3: to murder a man in the public, I think it's

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Speaker 3: perfectly fine to see just this being served in the public.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let me put my defensiveleyar hat back on.

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01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 4: You know, the word a legend was kind of missing

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01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 4: from that whole discussion right there, right, I mean, you know,

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01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 4: is it possible this guy's a patsy? Is it possible

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01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 4: this guy's being framed? Is it possible the government's even

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01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 4: putting this guy up to cover for someone else that

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01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 4: may have killed Charlie Kirk. I mean, those are all

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Speaker 4: open questions. And do I have any support for any

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01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 4: of those, you know, conspiracy theories. Absolutely not none.

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Speaker 3: And we'll find out maybe in about two weeks when

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Speaker 3: these transcripts are really right.

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Speaker 4: And so it's incumbent upon everyone to keep an open mind,

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Speaker 4: particularly the people involved in the process. And I think

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01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 4: keeping an open mind is as much easier and it's

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01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 4: much more conducive to keeping an open mind when we

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Speaker 4: keep cameras out of the courtroom. Again, that's the defense

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Speaker 4: lawyer in me, not you know, the person who would

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Speaker 4: love to consume the information.

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Speaker 3: You're talking to a guy that wants a pay per

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01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 3: view execution channel. So we will agree to disagree on

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01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 3: this guy, you bet. Speaking of the media, new report look,

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Speaker 3: whether you'll like it or not, this is the numbers.

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Speaker 3: TikTok has now surpassed YouTube and Instagram as the most

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01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 3: popular social media app for those eighteen to twenty nine

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Speaker 3: to acquire their news updates in America.

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Speaker 1: TikTok.

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Speaker 3: It's not Twitter, it's not Facebook, it's not even YouTube

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Speaker 3: or Instagram.

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01:12:58,920 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: It's TikTok.

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01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:04,799
Speaker 3: Now for young adults eighteen twenty nine to gather their news.

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Speaker 3: Forty three percent say they regularly get their news from TikTok,

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01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:15,440
Speaker 3: compared to forty one percent for YouTube and Facebook combined.

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Speaker 4: See what's fascinating about this to me is we're talking

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Speaker 4: about news. We're not talking about entertainment, right. We're not

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01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 4: talking about you know, videos of you know, nurses dancing

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01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 4: on their shift, right, or you know the other stuff

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Speaker 4: that you think of when you think of TikTok video.

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01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 4: We're talking about the primary source of news. What I

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01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 4: grew up, you know, listening to Walter Cronkite delivered to

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Speaker 4: me right, and in other national broadcasters and you know

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01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 4: where you were all around the TV at seven to

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01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 4: listen to the national news come across. And now we're

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01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 4: looking at our phones on an app like TikTok as

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01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 4: a primary source of not just entertainment but news. That's

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Speaker 4: what's so incredment.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: I'm an old guy, so of course I'm going to

1393
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 4: be the most shocked by this of anybody in the room.

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01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 4: But that's crazy to me.

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01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 3: And who's delivering this news on TikTok. Is it some

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01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 3: twenty year old numbnuts that doesn't know what he's talking about,

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01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 3: or is this somebody that actually knows what they're talking about. Like,

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01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 3: you got to take this stuff with a grain of salt.

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Speaker 3: I have this conversation with my youngest all the time

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Speaker 3: because he gets a lot of his information from TikTok.

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01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, what's your source on TikTok?

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh, this platform owned by the Chinese government. Okay,

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01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 4: all right.

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01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 3: Before we hit a break here, let's crack up a

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01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 3: little booze news.

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01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 6: You set him up, and I'll knock him back.

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01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: Lloyd one beware.

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01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: Read booze news, because.

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01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 3: News booze good news for those who live near nature,

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01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 3: near wooded areas near national parks. A study found that

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01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 3: being able to see nature from the windows in your

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01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 3: home will lead to fewer cravings for alcohol, cigarettes, and

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01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 3: junk food.

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Speaker 1: Now I have a little problem with this.

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Speaker 3: I don't necessarily live near nature. When I look outside

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 3: my windows, I see streets and other houses. But when

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01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 3: I do go to nature, I want to drink heavily. Guy,

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01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 3: when I go down to Rocky Top, I'm going down

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01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 3: to drink some moonshine.

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01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: I'm going down to get loose. And that's part of them.

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01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 4: That's part of the experience for me. Hey man, I'll

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01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 4: tell you I love when the weather's nice. Spending time

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01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 4: out on the back of deck back behind my house

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01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 4: and we got hummingbird feeders up, and you know we

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01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 4: have foxes that room through there and all kinds of

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01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 4: other critters. We've seen deer over and over. Makes me

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01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 4: want to crack a beer.

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Speaker 9: Man.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's nothing about watching nature that makes me

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01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 4: want to, you know, absolve myself from alcohol and now

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01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 4: junk food and cigarette I'm not I've never smoked cigarette.

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01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 4: My wife. I'll crank up a cigar out there at

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01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 4: every opportunity. That's why I'm outside, so I can smoke

1434
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 4: a cigar who.

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01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 3: Is sitting on their back patio looking out at a

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01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 3: beautiful wooded area and go, boy, this makes me really,

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01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 3: really really want to not have a beer. Nobody, No, nobody,

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01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 3: Matt Bear, how are these roads looking right now?

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01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 4: That Hammer Metal Show.

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01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 3: This will either be the greatest segment in the history

1441
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 3: of radio or the phones won't work. Let's cross our

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01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 3: fingers here. It's the Hammer and Nigel Show. I'm Jason

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 3: Hammer to a attorney, firearms instructor and the host of

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01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 3: the Gun Guy Show. Guy Relford is here and he

1445
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 3: is going to answer your to a questions. If you're

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01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 3: on hold, all we ask is that you'd be brief,

1447
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,560
Speaker 3: don't swear, and let's get this party started. Red is

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01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 3: up first, Red, welcome to the show. We got Guy

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01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 3: Relford here.

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01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 8: Hey, what's going on? A long time listener, first time

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01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 8: called to the new studios.

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01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 6: All right, right, hey, so.

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01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 8: I think I asked this once before, but I'm probably

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01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 8: a little bit closer to my time now, Guy, At

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01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 8: what lengths of time do you have to be between

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01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 8: your last charge to try to get a felony expunged?

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01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 4: That was a time limit, great question. It's eight years.

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01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,879
Speaker 4: You can get a year. You can get a felony

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01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 4: exponged with eight years with a clean criminal history. Now

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01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 4: what's really important is that's not from the felony charge necessarily.

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01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 4: In other words, if there were misdemeanors in between, then

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01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 4: that still screws you up. So you need eight years

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01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 4: with a clean criminal history in order to get a

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01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 4: felony expunged. For misdemeanors, it's five years from your latest

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01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 4: criminal conviction and not all. And I'm sure you know

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01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 4: this not all convictions can be expunged. There are a

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01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 4: bunch of exceptions. But for a lot of really common

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01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 4: felony convictions like old drug charges and you know, multiple

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01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 4: O w I type things, those are those are the

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01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 4: kinds of things that absolutely can be expunged, and we

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Speaker 4: do those all the time. So when you hit when

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01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 4: you hit that eight years, if that's what we're talking about, man,

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01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 4: call my office and we'll hook you up.

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01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: Greg is up next. Greg, Welcome to the show, Guy

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01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: Relferenz here.

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Speaker 9: Yes, my mom and dad have a few guns, one

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01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 9: or two of the historical.

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01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: The other ones are more modern.

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01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 7: They're like seven mid save indeeds or whatever.

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01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 9: What do I need to do to prepare for if

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01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 9: they should pass on how to take care of those?

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01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: Well?

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01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 7: Let me, yeah, let me ask you questions registering all

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 7: that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Are these just regular rifles, pistol shotgun kind of things?

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Speaker 4: In other words, there's no machine guns or short broiled

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01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 4: rifles or anything like that. Yeah, okay, Well let's proceed

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01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 4: on that assumption. If they're just regular rifles, pistols and shotguns,

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01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 4: there's nothing you need to do. They're just property and

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01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 4: they can be transferred via a will or you know,

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01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 4: a trust that some people show set up for real

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01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 4: estate or other property. But just like a will, they

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01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 4: can just be bequeathed, you know, given to airs, just

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01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 4: like a couch or a toaster, you know, or any

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01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 4: other piece of property. So there's really nothing you need

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01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 4: to do. And in fact, there's no such thing as

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01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 4: registration of firearms in Indiana. It's kind of a common misunderstanding,

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 4: but they're not registered to anybody now because we don't

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01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 4: have registration in Indiana, and there's no federal registration other

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Speaker 4: than for things like machine guns, short barreled rifles that's

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Speaker 4: a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches, or

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01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 4: short barreled shotguns, a shotgun with a barrel less than

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01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 4: eighteen inches, those have to be registered with the federal government.

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01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 4: But just for normal rifle pistols and shotguns, there is

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01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 4: no registration and they can be transferred to an air

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01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 4: to a beneficiary just like any other piece of property.

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Speaker 4: So there's really nothing to do to prepare. And I'm

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01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 4: glad you asked that because that's really a common point

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01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 4: of misunderstanding for people in Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Chris is waiting patiently. Chris we got guy Ralford here

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Speaker 1: rock and.

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Speaker 6: Roll the afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 7: Hey, I'll try and keep this short.

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Speaker 2: So I'm in a local small.

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01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 6: Gun store a few months ago out on the East Side.

1517
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,799
Speaker 6: There's a couple of guys in there. I'm guessing early twenties.

1518
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 6: One of them asked his friend, He said, Hey, what

1519
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 6: time is it. The other guy says, there's a clock

1520
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 6: right up there and points at it up on the wall.

1521
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 6: The kid says, you know, I can't read that. It

1522
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 6: was an analog clock. Should he be allowed to own

1523
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,799
Speaker 6: a firearm? I'll hang up and listen for your answer.

1524
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,600
Speaker 4: Well, there's no federal or state law that says that

1525
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,560
Speaker 4: there's a certain educational requirement in order to exercise a

1526
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 4: Second Amendment right and a regular analog as opposed to

1527
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 4: digital clock. Somebody that doesn't hasn't ever been told how

1528
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 4: to read the face of a clock. Doesn't give me

1529
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 4: a lot of confidence in their education or intelligence.

1530
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,759
Speaker 3: But I got five bucks. He voted for Kamala. Five bucks,

1531
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 3: that says the guy that couldn't read the clock voted

1532
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 3: for Kamala.

1533
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 4: Harris could be I mean, would you ask that same

1534
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 4: question is should that guy be allowed to vote? Should

1535
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 4: that guy be allowed to post on the internet? Should

1536
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 4: that guy be allowed to express his opinion in public?

1537
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, if it's a constitutional right, it's

1538
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 4: a constitutional right. So I don't know if your questions

1539
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 4: rhetorical or not, but if it's a constitutional right, then

1540
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 4: it is. Now you can lose that right. But there's

1541
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 4: nothing about either state or federal law that says you

1542
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 4: have to have a certain education or intelligence level in

1543
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 4: order to possess a firearm.

1544
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: Tony, we're gonna give you the last word here, my friend, Tony,

1545
01:21:59,040 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: we got guy Relford.

1546
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Shy.

1547
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 9: I just have a question on open carrier of a

1548
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 9: rifle or shotgun in public. How does that compared to

1549
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 9: carrying a hanggun.

1550
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 4: Well, you know, since we've had constitutional carry as to handguns,

1551
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 4: you don't need any kind of license or permit. But

1552
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 4: there's never been a license or permit requirement to carry

1553
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 4: a long gun, either on your person or in a

1554
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 4: vehicle in public in Indiana. So there's nothing illegal.

1555
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:31,640
Speaker 7: Now.

1556
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 4: You know, the open carry folks that like to you know,

1557
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 4: go to you know, walk around downtown Indy with their

1558
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 4: rifles or shotguns hung on a sling, there's nothing illegal

1559
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 4: about that, and it's as they say, it's their right

1560
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 4: to do it and it's not illegal. I question what

1561
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 4: their agenda is and what they're really trying to accomplish,

1562
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 4: because every time someone sees you walking around with your

1563
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 4: ar around Monument Circle or in front of the State House,

1564
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 4: somebody is going to go file a law, file a

1565
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 4: bill to make that illegal, and I'm going to have

1566
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 4: to be over there and against it in the General Assembly.

1567
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 4: So I wonder what the objective is. But today there's

1568
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 4: nothing illegal about possessing a long gun, a rifle or

1569
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 4: a shotgun in public, including carrying it in public.

1570
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 1: Steve, Sorry, we couldn't get to your call. Brother. You

1571
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 1: can call Guy Relford on Saturday and he will answer

1572
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: any query that you have. When is the Gun Guy.

1573
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 4: Show five to seven on Saturdays. And now that you've established,

1574
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 4: Jason that the phones work, so you got it with

1575
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 4: producer Kurt, then yeah that I actually had my first

1576
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 4: two callers this past Saturday, so I was cautiously optimistic

1577
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 4: we could get that to work here today. But yeah,

1578
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 4: give me a call five to seven on Saturdays, Steve.

1579
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: My brother called Guy Relford and he will answer your questions.

1580
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 5: Terry on away Wide, They'll be de saying you.

1581
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: Had to rest, don't you find No?

1582
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 3: I could have jumped in way earlier, but that's what

1583
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 3: terrorists do. You don't interrupt the wayward sun.

1584
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: You just let it ride.

1585
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 3: Sammer and Nigel Show, I'm Jason Hammer, Big Nige's out guy,

1586
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 3: Relford the gun guy, filling in.

1587
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 1: And let's go to the hotline. Bring on friend of

1588
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 1: the show and part.

1589
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 3: Of the morning show on our sister sports station, Window

1590
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 3: seven five the Fan Kevin Bowen, so.

1591
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: KB right out of the gate here.

1592
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 3: Million dollar question, Carly Orsay, does she blow out either

1593
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 3: Ballard Steichen, either one or both?

1594
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: What do we think?

1595
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 2: Well, I wish I had stronger conviction on that. I

1596
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: would say this.

1597
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 14: I don't know if I'm overwhelmingly holding my breath that

1598
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 14: she will do something. And a lot of it, honestly

1599
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 14: SEMs back to the trading guys in season when they

1600
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 14: traded for Sardner and just the magnitude of what that

1601
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:56,879
Speaker 14: trade met for the organization.

1602
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 2: You basically said you believe.

1603
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 14: In Daniel Jones is your franch quarterback, and you said

1604
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 14: you believed in Chris Ballard and change Siken and so

1605
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 14: you know, two months later, do all of a sudden

1606
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 14: you go back on that. That's probably where I have

1607
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,879
Speaker 14: a little bit of pause. But I'm obviously there's ample evidence,

1608
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 14: certainly to fire Ballard. You can make a case for

1609
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 14: stiking as well, especially if you believe that you tie

1610
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 14: the GM the head coach at the head. It'd be

1611
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 14: you know, rather astonishing and I'd be rather unprecedented to

1612
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 14: see a GM with ballads resume get a ten to year.

1613
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 14: But I'm not holding my breath necessarily. They'll be ample changes.

1614
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like there are two different things at

1615
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 3: play here, Kevin. There's the football perspective, there's the business perspective,

1616
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 3: and football wise, you're right, maybe Carly did sign off

1617
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 3: on that trade.

1618
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: I would imagine she had to have done that.

1619
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 3: And you don't have two first round picks, you don't

1620
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 3: have a star quarterback. Who do you bring in that's better?

1621
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 3: But just from a business perspective, I think they may

1622
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 3: be at risk of losing the fan base if you

1623
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 3: run it back one more time.

1624
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying.

1625
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 14: Well, and I think business too, Hammer, I mean, Sunday

1626
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 14: will be the eleventh year, eleven year anniversary since their

1627
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 14: last home playoff game, I mean eleven years ago. I

1628
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 14: didn't exercise on our morning to the other day of

1629
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 14: going through all the sporting events Lucas Oil Stadium. Lucas

1630
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 14: Ol Stadium has had a swim meet in it since

1631
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 14: you know, the last time the Colts hosted a home

1632
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 14: playoff game. Like, you want to talk finances, you want

1633
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 14: to talk you know, dollars and cents. I mean, twenty

1634
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 14: five NFL teams have hosted a home playoff game since

1635
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 14: the Colts last have, so I think that kind of

1636
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 14: adds to the to the financial element of it.

1637
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 4: kV. When I heard that you were going to be

1638
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 4: on and I was sitting in for Nigel today, first

1639
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 4: thing I thought of I couldn't wait to talk to you,

1640
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 4: is were you at all surprised that Philip Rivers still

1641
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 4: started the game yesterday after the Colts were eliminated from

1642
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 4: the playoffs. A lot of people were looking at that

1643
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 4: at the time. To put a healthy Riley Leonard in

1644
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,799
Speaker 4: the game, get him some reps, get him a little experience.

1645
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 4: And I'm not sure where Ar's vision is and his health,

1646
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 4: but a lot of people were saying, hey, yeah, when

1647
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 4: we still had a potential shot. Bringing in Rivers made

1648
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 4: some sense, But what was the reason for him to

1649
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 4: play against Jacksonville yesterday after the Colts were eliminated.

1650
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a question. I feel that a lot.

1651
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 14: So basically, I think the thought was throughout the week,

1652
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 14: once the Colts were officially eliminated.

1653
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 2: What was that seven thirty Saturday.

1654
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 14: Night, At that point you are what you know, Yeah,

1655
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 14: eighteen hours, twelve hours away from kickoff the next day.

1656
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,799
Speaker 2: So I understand sticking with Rivers.

1657
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 14: Not that the Colts had ample practice time last week

1658
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 14: with the holiday, but you know, practice wise and throughout

1659
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,799
Speaker 14: the meetings, you know, it was always Rivers being the starter.

1660
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 14: So I'm not maybe, as you know, whatever thought that

1661
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 14: they should.

1662
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 2: Have changed it at the last second.

1663
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,759
Speaker 14: Now for Sunday, I don't need to see Philip Rivers

1664
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 14: and you know, Rocky four or however.

1665
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 2: You want to describe it here running.

1666
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 14: Out there against the Houston Texans, you know, to me

1667
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 14: to get the Richardson part of the question, I think

1668
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 14: the vision limitations are real right now, and I think

1669
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 14: there are some legit questions about how that would look

1670
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 14: in a game setting.

1671
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 2: And not to mention it's the number one ranked defense in.

1672
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 14: The NFL, so I think that is more at play here. Yes,

1673
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 14: do I think the Colts are largely or Shane Second

1674
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 14: is largely probably done with him. Yeah, that's probably fair

1675
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 14: as well. But I do think the actual you know,

1676
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 14: orbital injury impacting his vision, all of that is a

1677
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:25,759
Speaker 14: real serious element.

1678
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 2: But it is time to see Riley Leonard, particularly if

1679
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones.

1680
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:30,560
Speaker 14: If you are going to run it back and you

1681
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 14: think Daniel Jones is going to be ready early in

1682
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 14: the season, there's no guarantee he's ready for Week one.

1683
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 14: You could need Riley Leonard in the month of September

1684
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 14: next year. Potentially it starts some games. So I think

1685
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 14: it'd be you know, good for him to get his

1686
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 14: first NFL start coming up on Sunday.

1687
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 4: Now you mentioned Daniel Jones. What in frontmation do you

1688
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 4: have on his contract situation? Right, because he was just

1689
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 4: under a one year contract for this year then blew

1690
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 4: the Achilles. You think that could bring him back signing

1691
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 4: for another year next year?

1692
01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1693
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 2: I think again soon, I mean, they bring everybody back.

1694
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 14: I think that's where signs are pointing. Obviously, the financial

1695
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 14: hit that he took you know once he went down

1696
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 14: that injury was rather significant. You know, millions, I would

1697
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 14: assume dollars, So, you know, I think it's probably impacted

1698
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 14: the length of the contract again, certainly how much money

1699
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 14: annually he would get. But I would assume Daniel Jones

1700
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 14: is your quarterback here for twenty twenty tick down. If

1701
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 14: you blow it up, I mean, who the hell knows.

1702
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 14: I mean, at that point, you know, no one's safe, frankly,

1703
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 14: but if they bring this back, I would think that

1704
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 14: Daniel Jones will be the guy for the vast majority.

1705
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 2: Of next season.

1706
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 3: And Kevin, I was listening to your program this morning.

1707
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 3: You make a great point, there's really no reason to

1708
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 3: just blow it up in tank because you don't have

1709
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 3: the number one pick. You don't have your first round

1710
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 3: pick next year at all. So you might as well say, look,

1711
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 3: we got a pretty good running back. We feel like

1712
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 3: he's one of the best in the league. We've got

1713
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 3: a pretty good guard, We've got a really good rookie

1714
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 3: tight end here. Let's just try to hatch things up

1715
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 3: and see what can happen. Is that where we're at

1716
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 3: with this franchise.

1717
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 14: Well, I think that would be the thought process in

1718
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 14: running it back for next season. I don't necessarily agree

1719
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 14: with that, to be clear, but I think internally that

1720
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 14: could be the thought process because you know, again you

1721
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 14: are banking basically the col You know people that are saying, hey,

1722
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 14: running back or whatever, they're talking this up to some injuries. Well,

1723
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 14: I mean Daniel Jones coming off the torn achilles, the

1724
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 14: Forest Buckner needed next surgery at the age of thirty.

1725
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 14: I don't like next and surgeries in thirty year.

1726
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: Olds in football.

1727
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:32,799
Speaker 2: That is just not a great combination.

1728
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 14: Taveria's Ward is dealt with three concussions in the last

1729
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 14: year and has had a slew of just frankly tragic

1730
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 14: off the field stuff happened to him as well. Like,

1731
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 14: that's just a lot to be banking on. You know,

1732
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 14: one eighties for example happening. And you know, as much

1733
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 14: as we play this game in this market, what do

1734
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,799
Speaker 14: you think they're saying in Kansas City about their quarterback.

1735
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 14: What do you think they're saying in Cincinnati about their quarterback?

1736
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 14: What do you think they're saying in Baltimore about their quarterback.

1737
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 14: I mean, three teams that very well could miss the playoffs.

1738
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 14: Two of them are definitely out and they all half

1739
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 14: quarterbacks that have you know, played you know, deep into

1740
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 14: the playoffs and in Super Bowls and won Super Bowls,

1741
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 14: and you know, they all will probably be saying a

1742
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 14: similar you know tune if you will. So that's why

1743
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 14: I just don't think it's a stap of your fingers

1744
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 14: and then boom them all of a sudden, you know,

1745
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 14: the resume of you know again, no division titles in

1746
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 14: eleven years, no playoff wins in eight years, no playoff

1747
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 14: appearances in five years, All of a sudden, it's.

1748
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 1: Going to stop, Kevin.

1749
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 3: We talk a lot about Chris Ballard and how, for

1750
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 3: whatever reason he has been able to survive. He's been

1751
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 3: a survivor despite not really winning much. Here, let's look

1752
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 3: at Shane steiken Here at the beginning of this year,

1753
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 3: the offense was clicking, everybody was happy, but it was

1754
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 3: such a major meltdown down the stretch. You had the

1755
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 3: overtime situation in Kansas City. Some of the decision making

1756
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 3: that steike In makes. Is he on the hot seat

1757
01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 3: along with Ballard?

1758
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, oftentimes you tie the GM and the

1759
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 14: head coach together, but their resumes are vastly different in

1760
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 14: terms of years. It's a nine for Ballard, three for Psychens.

1761
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 14: I think that's what makes it difficult, Like if you're

1762
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 14: handing out individual grades to each, I think Ballard gets

1763
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 14: the worst grade than psych and not that Psychan gets this,

1764
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 14: you know, overwhelmingly great grade. I guess if you want

1765
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 14: to look at Shane's resume, it's three years, it's a

1766
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 14: five hundred record at this point, exactly twenty five and

1767
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 14: twenty five. Certainly the quarterback situation has an awful whole

1768
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 14: lot of favor.

1769
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 2: Some of that is his own doing, some of that

1770
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 2: is not. And if you look at specifically within the division,

1771
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:34,640
Speaker 2: you know.

1772
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 14: He's two and nine against Houston Jacksonville and that's a

1773
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 14: really kind of sore eye for me. When you look

1774
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 14: at Houston and Jacksonville, don't look at them.

1775
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 2: It's necessarily the you know, the class of the NFL

1776
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 2: by any means.

1777
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 14: So again, I you know, I am probably a little

1778
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 14: bit more in the If again, trying them at the

1779
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 14: hip is probably the way to go. But if not,

1780
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 14: I think the Ballad resume is much uglier than the

1781
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,799
Speaker 14: Psyching resume. But we don't have a lot of arranged marriages,

1782
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 14: if you will in the NFL. That work out, and

1783
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 14: the arranged marriage would be you're bringing a new GM

1784
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 14: and say hey, here's your head coach.

1785
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 2: You know, maybe bring the new GM and you say, hey,

1786
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: evaluate this guy. But it just it rarely works out.

1787
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 14: So that's where I do have some questions about exactly, again,

1788
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 14: how willing are they to really really blow it up

1789
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 14: and exactly what will a.

1790
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 2: Week from Monday look like. Do they just use the

1791
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 2: same letter that they used last year when they said run.

1792
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: It back one more thing here before you lets you go, guy,

1793
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: go ahead.

1794
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, isn't it also a

1795
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 4: factor in terms of blowing it up? I think I

1796
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 4: think a team is less inclined to blow it up

1797
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,600
Speaker 4: when you don't have a first round draft pick for

1798
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 4: the next two years, because when you blow it up,

1799
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 4: what are you replacing it with in terms of personnel,

1800
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 4: you know, for whoever you would bring in, both as

1801
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 4: coach and as general manager. I just think that gets

1802
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 4: that gets tough when your prospects down the road are

1803
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,719
Speaker 4: so limited by having lost those two picks.

1804
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point.

1805
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 14: It's certainly a less than advantageous situation, But at the

1806
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 14: end of the day, there's thirty two of these, and yes,

1807
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 14: it does it help to have the first round picks. Certainly,

1808
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 14: I'm not going to deny that. But you know what,

1809
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 14: if you wanted to, you could take some of the

1810
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 14: pieces on this roster right now, with them beloved colts

1811
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 14: frankly that have been here for a while, and you

1812
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 14: could trade them and potentially add to a few.

1813
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 2: More of those picks.

1814
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 14: To me, like all of a sudden, sitting here and saying, well,

1815
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,600
Speaker 14: you bring everybody back, because it'd be the disservice to

1816
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 14: a new end because you didn't you don't have first

1817
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 14: round picks, I'm kind of like, well, that's that's a

1818
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 14: little bit of an odd way to do it. I mean,

1819
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 14: if Iral Chris Ballard and that trade was presented to

1820
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 14: me two months back, I would say, I'm doing this

1821
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 14: trade one hundred times out of one hundred. If it's

1822
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 14: going to guarantee me job security because it ham strings

1823
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 14: the guy after me, then of course I'm gonna do

1824
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 14: this trade because it's going to get me in two

1825
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 14: to three years, even if it doesn't work out. And

1826
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 14: right now, you know, due to injury, the trade hasn't

1827
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 14: worked out, So again I understand it's maybe a little

1828
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 14: bit of a disservice to the next person. But at

1829
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 14: the same time, I don't think that also means it's

1830
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 14: an endorsement on the current guy, that he should you

1831
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 14: have one in the pro column if you will making

1832
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 14: the pros and the cont.

1833
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 3: List and Riley Leonard hearing chatter he might get to

1834
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:10,640
Speaker 3: start Sunday. Is that what we're looking at?

1835
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:11,559
Speaker 14: Boy?

1836
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:12,879
Speaker 2: That is my assumption.

1837
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 14: But hammer when I spoke about that on the morning

1838
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 14: show today and then listening to Shane psych in this

1839
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 14: afternoon in his press conference, I don't know, it seemed

1840
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 14: like the door is a little bit open to Philip Rivers.

1841
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 14: I don't know if he was trying to do the

1842
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 14: nice thing on the way out the door, but it

1843
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 14: definitely sounded like Shane was a little bit more open

1844
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 14: to that, and it almost sounded like it's a conversation

1845
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 14: that maybe Rivers needed to have, which I don't necessarily think.

1846
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 2: That's the way to go.

1847
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 14: So I'm a little more torn. I assume it was

1848
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 14: going to be Leonard, but a little bit more torn

1849
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:44,799
Speaker 14: after listening to Shane. Sounds like decision will come tomorrow

1850
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 14: and we'll see exactly who it's going to be like

1851
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 14: I said earlier, I don't think we need to see

1852
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 14: the Philip Rivers thing.

1853
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,679
Speaker 2: Hell of a movie, inspirational all of it. But there's

1854
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 2: a reason why the Rocky movies got worse.

1855
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 4: Man, if I'm about forty four year old quarterback, do

1856
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 4: i want to see that pass rush from Houston? All right?

1857
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 4: Those guys are on it man there. I mean, I

1858
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 4: hate Houston with a passion, but those two defensive ends

1859
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 4: are fun to watch.

1860
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 14: No, that is I would say, you know what, being

1861
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 14: a parents at ten kids sounds better than that.

1862
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: Which what's coming up on the Big Show tomorrow?

1863
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 4: KB?

1864
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 14: Yeah, so we'll continue to recap a lot of this,

1865
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 14: you know, certainly more in the big picture. We'll actually

1866
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 14: get a little boots on the ground on Pasadena with

1867
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 14: a Rose Bowl coming up on Thursday, so we'll do

1868
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 14: that at eight thirty of Rick Carlisle should join us

1869
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 14: at some point the nine o'clock hour.

1870
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 2: They've got a late one tonight in.

1871
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 14: Houston, so we'll chat with him coming up a little

1872
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 14: bit later on the show tomorrow.

1873
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: Check out the Morning Show. KB is a part of it.

1874
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 1: At one o seven five. Defan Kevin Bowen, we appreciate.

1875
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 2: You happy to you boys.

1876
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: Thanks guy, game to you and Moonshine Monday. Next man

1877
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 1: to a Samploom place. Moonsh oh yeah, the last Moonshine

1878
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. I'm Jason Hammer the gun guys here,

1879
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 1: Guy Ralford. Now here's what we have to do.

1880
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 3: Guy, We've each got a little uh something something I

1881
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 3: purchased at the store this morning, A little old smoky.

1882
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 1: What's the flavor you got?

1883
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 4: BlackBerry?

1884
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this BlackBerry old smoky. But in order

1885
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: to keep all the Karens happy that are in the hallways,

1886
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 1: we have to step away from the microphone and then

1887
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: do a cheers. Okay, so I'm gonna step back here.

1888
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to scream real loud because it can't

1889
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:37,440
Speaker 3: be anywhere near a microphone.

1890
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:42,080
Speaker 1: Okay, you listen, Big Todd Dyer. Nobody's near a microphone.

1891
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 1: Jan Ralphord, cheers Happy twenty twenty six.

1892
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 2: And to your brother, WHOA.

1893
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 1: To quote Rick Flair, WHOA what'd you think?

1894
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 13: That was?

1895
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 4: Just damn good man. That's just outstanding.

1896
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 3: That is some good shine right there. And I get

1897
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 3: like the Moonshine people are like if you bought at

1898
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 3: it in a store. It's not really shine.

1899
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 4: I get it.

1900
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:21,600
Speaker 3: Last couple of weeks, we've had friends and family that

1901
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 3: have made a little back alley shine and brought that

1902
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 3: in highly illegal, but that's okay.

1903
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: We've enjoyed that. But when your supply runs out, sometimes

1904
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 1: you got to go to the store. So I wasn't

1905
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: gonna let.

1906
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 3: The final Monday of twenty twenty five go without doing

1907
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 3: another Moonshine Monday.

1908
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 4: Guy.

1909
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 1: There's a new.

1910
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 3: Survey out a list of normal, everyday things that feel

1911
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 3: illegal but are not.

1912
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me if these make sense to you.

1913
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 3: According to a survey, these are normal, every day, totally

1914
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 3: illegal things, but they feel dirty.

1915
01:38:59,040 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: They feel illegal.

1916
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 3: Walking through a store and leaving without buying anything, Oh totally.

1917
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,439
Speaker 4: I mean I always feel like somebody's eyeballing me, going, okay,

1918
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 4: what's this dude shoplifting? Because he came in, he's not

1919
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 4: going back out through the cash register. And I expect

1920
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 4: to get padded down every time I do that.

1921
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 3: Keeping it in the store, bringing in your own water bottle,

1922
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:23,759
Speaker 3: Like if you're drinking a water bottle or a soda

1923
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 3: bottle or something from your car and you're walking around

1924
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:27,600
Speaker 3: the grocery.

1925
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 4: Store, with it. That is not that I've ever done that,

1926
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 4: but I don't think that would bother me.

1927
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 5: Now.

1928
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 4: They do tend to frown upon it when I bring

1929
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 4: in my own beer into the bar. They tend to

1930
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 4: not care for that much at all.

1931
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 3: And last one here passing a police car on the highway,

1932
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 3: even if you're doing the speed limit, Like it's always

1933
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 3: a little nerve racking when you're trying to pass a

1934
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 3: slow moving police car but you're doing the speed limit. Now,

1935
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 3: I think you and I are both a couple of

1936
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 3: guys who have gotten tickets before. Oh yeah, were not

1937
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 3: the best people to be talking about this. Hey, my man,

1938
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:05,640
Speaker 3: guy Ralpher, thank you so much. Hope you had a

1939
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:05,960
Speaker 3: good time.

1940
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 4: I had a great time. I always look forward to this.

1941
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:12,639
Speaker 3: One more hour to go The Hammer and Nigel Show.

1942
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,080
Speaker 3: We're coming right back ninety three WIBC