Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast. Welcome to the Frames per
Speaker 1: Second Podcast, where we are discussing the new film, well
Speaker 1: not new anymore, but highly regarded film. Marty Supreme joining
Speaker 1: me today. We are virtual, so we have Nick go On,
Speaker 1: roight Man, and Mike. Yeah. All right, so Marti Supreme. Guys,
Speaker 1: a lot of people talking about this Best Picture nominations.
Speaker 1: I want to go around the room and get the
Speaker 1: thoughts of the movie overall from everyone. Nick, what you
Speaker 1: think about Martin Supreme?
Speaker 2: Super right? Superriight.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of good things here, but
Speaker 3: y'all know me about the runtime. It was a little
Speaker 3: too strong, little too long in the tooth, a little
Speaker 3: bit of in the middle park, but it was it
Speaker 3: was a really really good film.
Speaker 1: Rod, what'd you think.
Speaker 4: I liked it? It was. It was in my top ten.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember that. It was eight
Speaker 4: in my top ten.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed it. I went to the theaters
Speaker 5: and yeah, yeah, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Ken, what'd you think overhyped? I'm like, they really just
Speaker 1: made a movie about it. Man playing playing pink pall,
Speaker 1: l Bundy playing paint pall.
Speaker 6: Like for real? Like that. That's that's that's what we're doing.
Speaker 6: That's it. And he only did it twice. Okay, we
Speaker 6: just booking and playing.
Speaker 1: Ten All right, Mike, what do you think about the movie?
Speaker 1: It's rare.
Speaker 3: It's rare that I agree with ken O really every
Speaker 3: word him just said this. This movie was the most
Speaker 3: overhyped fucking movie I've seen in a long ass time.
Speaker 3: I was beyond board and it was egregiously long. There
Speaker 3: was no reason for this ship to be two in
Speaker 3: the fucking half hours of this fucking dumb ass trying
Speaker 3: to figure out how he can go play tennis. Get
Speaker 3: this ship the funk out of here. Now, he's that
Speaker 3: table centers, that's what he called it.
Speaker 1: He caught the table to your favorite movie. And you
Speaker 1: know you didn't even catch that. Y'all spoke about it
Speaker 1: all the time, right, y'all spoke about the run time
Speaker 1: my sound went out in the theater. Oh this five
Speaker 1: minutes that was in the theater. Oh so five minutes
Speaker 1: seeing the sound goes out. It does that for maybe
Speaker 1: five minutes. Then they restart the whole movie. They didn't
Speaker 1: even just pick up with a sound like the whole movie. Wait, wait,
Speaker 1: how far it was five to ten minutes in the
Speaker 1: movie when he was talking to it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that bad. It was when he was talking
Speaker 1: to his uncle and he was telling his uncle, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to play over here in this tournament and whatever.
Speaker 1: His uncle was like, Bro, you're the manager here is
Speaker 1: like just stay here. It went out through that whole
Speaker 1: part and then they started it over Uh. But to
Speaker 1: you guys's point, it was it was super right. I
Speaker 1: agree with Nick. It reminded me a smashing machine, like
Speaker 1: the person in here is doing a good job, acting
Speaker 1: like Timothy Shalla made it an amazing job. I do
Speaker 1: agree with that, But I'm looking at it, I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. I don't care, Like I
Speaker 1: like what, I don't care. They never made me care
Speaker 1: about none of this stuff. Bro, the dog, the baby,
Speaker 1: the girl. I didn't care about any of that. The
Speaker 1: only thing that held me was the job that Timothy Shalla.
Speaker 3: Made was talking about you didn't care about Tyler, Tyler
Speaker 3: the creator's hair.
Speaker 1: That his whole thing cut out, Mike, his whole thing
Speaker 1: could have been cut out. I wouldn't have been mad
Speaker 1: at all if Tyler created like that old everything that
Speaker 1: we got from that led to them, so I at
Speaker 1: least thought they would come back in the But we
Speaker 1: start out with Timothy's alime characters selling shoes in the
Speaker 1: shoe store. We see that he's a good shoe salesman
Speaker 1: kind of because I mean he wants to be manager
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. But his love interest comes in,
Speaker 1: and that is Rachel. We understand that he's known Rachel
Speaker 1: since he was eight years old. She said she lost
Speaker 1: a pair of shoes. They go to the back, they
Speaker 1: do what they do. Was this appealing at all to anybody?
Speaker 2: Not the way you cut it up? Tell me what
Speaker 2: was appealing about it? Then you tell me, tell me
Speaker 2: what you cared about. Go ahead round.
Speaker 1: No, I thought they.
Speaker 5: I thought they established He established himself as a to me,
Speaker 5: an interesting character, just somebody that's the termin you know,
Speaker 5: although he was a good shoe salesman, he still had
Speaker 5: had high hopes for himself, you know, to be you know,
Speaker 5: greatest table tennis players.
Speaker 4: So now I like I like to start. It was fine.
Speaker 5: The energy of it was fine because not just him.
Speaker 5: I think the way the pacing of the movie, I
Speaker 5: think they did a good job with that.
Speaker 6: Hm, I wouldn't say it was. It was interesting. I
Speaker 6: think we were so far like right in the beginning
Speaker 6: of the movie. I think, you know, of course, that
Speaker 6: whole storyline comes around later because they did the whole
Speaker 6: little thing with the sperm or whatever. So I think
Speaker 6: it definitely played a part in it later on. So
Speaker 6: it was a key moment in the movie. And then,
Speaker 6: like Rod said, you can see his ambition, his hot
Speaker 6: energy when he's talk is his high belief in.
Speaker 1: Himself, you know.
Speaker 6: So so yeah, so I think, uh, it was, it was,
Speaker 6: it was needed, but you know, it's so early in
Speaker 6: the beginning on the move, it's just like, all right,
Speaker 6: well this at the time was like really didn't know
Speaker 6: it would mean anything.
Speaker 3: I didn't This is a Krinsworthy scene early out out
Speaker 3: the gate. To me, Timothy shouting made I don't ever
Speaker 3: want to see another sex scene.
Speaker 2: Like all the sex scenes he had.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 3: I'm cool on him, bro, he he to me, he's
Speaker 3: not an actor in that way.
Speaker 2: So seeing that scene out the Gate.
Speaker 3: Was just kind of like, all right, I don't give
Speaker 3: a fuck immediately about their relationship, especially if you're sucking
Speaker 3: a girl behind a shoe store, like that, tell me
Speaker 3: that tell me all I need to know about your relationship.
Speaker 3: You can't fun, you can't go to a hotel, you
Speaker 3: can't like you fuck her at a shoe store.
Speaker 4: But it did.
Speaker 3: But I like, to get to Ken's point, it was
Speaker 3: in this show, like around that scene, like he's a
Speaker 3: smooth talker, He's a super confident kind of dude. You
Speaker 3: can kind of tell how the story was gonna go.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be based off of him. Believe it in themselves.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean this scene was just like, all right,
Speaker 3: let's get let's go through the movie like this can't
Speaker 3: be you know, one of the best parts of the movie.
Speaker 1: Mike, what do you think?
Speaker 3: I didn't give the fuck at all because the second
Speaker 3: she came in, I was like, Oh, this is a
Speaker 3: ploy so he can go on the back and fuck,
Speaker 3: that's exactly what I thought. The second she came she
Speaker 3: thought that, Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 3: just didn't believe any of it, so I just didn't
Speaker 3: I didn't care.
Speaker 2: But I was like, Okay, you're going on the back
Speaker 2: to fuck cool.
Speaker 1: This movie was getting a lot of comparisons to Uncut Gems,
Speaker 1: like the camera work and how it was paced and
Speaker 1: things like that. Did y'all like that, like when you
Speaker 1: first started watching it, like could you see it was
Speaker 1: shot differently and things like that, was it shot? It
Speaker 1: was similar to the Uncut Gems type of shooting, like
Speaker 1: they were crediting the director of this of how it
Speaker 1: was shot, like the shaky camera made you feel like
Speaker 1: you were there, things of that nature. I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't, I didn't get I did see that after
Speaker 5: the movie and while I was watching, I didn't feel
Speaker 5: Uncut Gems, But when it was pointed out, I was like,
Speaker 5: I guess that was kind of like Uncut Gems, but
Speaker 5: hm hm, I just feel like Uncut Gems was a
Speaker 5: lot more.
Speaker 4: It's erratic the word I want to.
Speaker 2: Use, like it was just the I don't think the pacing.
Speaker 1: It looked like it, but the pacing went as intense
Speaker 1: as Uncut Gems to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't as intense. Yeah yeah, yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 5: It wasn't as intense, So I didn't. I didn't get
Speaker 5: the parises at first, but I could kind of see.
Speaker 1: It, but nah, it was more smashing again, it was
Speaker 1: smashing machine.
Speaker 3: To me.
Speaker 1: It's like it was a slightly more interesting This was
Speaker 1: a slightly more interesting Smashing Massie. Damn. Like that's how
Speaker 1: and I think that's why I like it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I like it because I wanted.
Speaker 5: I almost was there with Smashing Machine, but it just
Speaker 5: wasn't quite enough story for me, well to to care.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was one of the brothers that did
Speaker 3: that movie uncut Jim. So I don't know if this
Speaker 3: is just how they this is just their director's style,
Speaker 3: like and they just move forward with it, because to me,
Speaker 3: that's the only real comparison like between those films. But
Speaker 3: it is getting to that point I guess for me
Speaker 3: thinking moving forward, like, is this just how they just
Speaker 3: shoot movies and we're always gonna get characters like this
Speaker 3: because then that could get.
Speaker 2: Redundant after a while. But I do like the look
Speaker 2: of this movie though, for this particular movie, I do
Speaker 2: like the look of it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 5: He does it well, he did h I don't know
Speaker 5: if y'all saw a good time. I know Mike's seen it,
Speaker 5: but he did good time as well. The Josh Safty,
Speaker 5: I think it's his name, and I think he's really
Speaker 5: good at that fast pace directing or whatever.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I just didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I noticed it was fast paced, but not in an
Speaker 4: uncut jail's way.
Speaker 3: I didn't get fast paced from this. I'm that's not
Speaker 3: a little confused with what y'all were saying. I didn't
Speaker 3: get fast paced at all. I got slow shot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the shots that they were doing, it was really quick.
Speaker 4: It was really this thing and this thing, and it.
Speaker 2: Cuts I think you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: That that worked for Good Time because Good Time was
Speaker 3: supposed to be very uncomfortable and it were uncut gems
Speaker 3: because it was supposed to be very chaotic and whatever.
Speaker 1: It didn't work for this because it was just like,
Speaker 1: motherfucker you.
Speaker 3: Just playing ping pong and even though even when like
Speaker 3: some shit would pop off, it's like this ship didn't
Speaker 3: last long enough for me to care about the shots
Speaker 3: being kind of erradic.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So we joined Marty as he's trying to
Speaker 1: get to the British Open table tennis tournament. He's having
Speaker 1: a conversation with his manager or co owner of his
Speaker 1: business to make the ping pong balls, and they're trying
Speaker 1: to pitch the dad on buying the ping pong balls, Like,
Speaker 1: do you guys buy into Marty's hustle?
Speaker 2: Like is he convincing to you? Does he come off
Speaker 2: as a fraud?
Speaker 1: What do you think as he's trying to do this
Speaker 1: and get the ping pong balls orange versus what?
Speaker 5: This is probably one of the parts of the story
Speaker 5: I just didn't really care about as much the whole
Speaker 5: ping pong ball and and what's crazy is that this
Speaker 5: is the one that the thing that they promoted a lot,
Speaker 5: but I just didn't feel like it was that that
Speaker 5: relevant to the overall story that they were trying to tell.
Speaker 6: So that's why I felt like that was gonna be
Speaker 6: more important later on than it actually was, because it
Speaker 6: never did anything.
Speaker 1: I thought that was gonna be the twenty Like then
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna get famous from the ping
Speaker 1: pong balls, and we just never got any resolution to that.
Speaker 3: So did y'all think this is a sports movie? Would
Speaker 3: y'all considered a sports movie? Because that's what it's titled
Speaker 3: as a sports comedy drama, Like it's a weird like
Speaker 3: they putting a lot of genres into to kind of
Speaker 3: explain it. Because I because I think mostly we all agree,
Speaker 3: I came into thinking that this is going to be
Speaker 3: a sports movie, like a dramatic sports movie, and like
Speaker 3: you mentioned Ken, it's really just booked in with what
Speaker 3: he's been trying to do. Everything else in the middle
Speaker 3: it is just him dealing with life, which to me,
Speaker 3: I guess it just I guess if you go into
Speaker 3: a thinking like it's gonna be one thing and it
Speaker 3: just takes another direction, you can be disappointed. Because yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree, like with that scene, the way he was
Speaker 3: breathing life into his friend and then like how his
Speaker 3: friend was like getting more confident based off of like
Speaker 3: just believing in Marty and then trying to get this
Speaker 3: thing off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, we're about to get.
Speaker 3: Into a really good sports movie, like make a dramatic
Speaker 3: ass version of table tennis, however that can be. But
Speaker 3: we spent a huge chunk of this movie not even
Speaker 3: dealing with half of that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, personally, and I think those were some of the
Speaker 1: better parts of the movies. When he was playing ping
Speaker 1: pong like that actually made it more interesting seeing them play,
Speaker 1: Like when they did the little We'll get to it,
Speaker 1: but when him and the dude were like just showing
Speaker 1: off their skills because dude, it obviously already lost and
Speaker 1: they were just doing these different things when they were
Speaker 1: playing ping that shit was interesting. It was interesting when
Speaker 1: he was playing the guy from Japan to me, Mike,
Speaker 1: but they should have had more of that in this movie,
Speaker 1: Like we didn't really need all the extra stuff with it,
Speaker 1: what say you money? No, I didn't find any of
Speaker 1: ping pong, and.
Speaker 2: None of the ping pong playing was interesting at all.
Speaker 3: Like all I got was this is CGI. That's all
Speaker 3: I got. This is a CGI ping pong battle.
Speaker 1: You definitely want him playing because they always assume them
Speaker 1: out when he was playing. But I find people like
Speaker 1: when people are good at niche sports like pool and
Speaker 1: ping pong or darts or some shit that's interesting to
Speaker 1: me to watch, but I don't want to see a
Speaker 1: movie about it. I might want to watch like a
Speaker 1: ten minute.
Speaker 3: Match into all my life, but I don't want to
Speaker 3: hear about this dude trying to play ping pong.
Speaker 1: And the whole time I don't.
Speaker 3: I haven't really watched a lot of Timothy Charlamagne outside
Speaker 3: of Dune, but I just kept getting Shilah buff vibes
Speaker 3: for some for some reason, I can't tell if it was.
Speaker 1: The accent or what it was.
Speaker 3: But I was just like, man, if Shilah Buff hadn't
Speaker 3: fucked his.
Speaker 1: Career up, this could this could be him.
Speaker 3: But at no point was I getting like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is enthralling.
Speaker 2: I hope he.
Speaker 3: Saves the dog, Like, at no point was I getting
Speaker 3: any of that, like I hope he wins this ping
Speaker 3: pong match against this guy at the bar.
Speaker 2: It was just like, you wouldn't rooting for me at
Speaker 2: any point in time.
Speaker 3: No, No, I found him to be annoying, just like
Speaker 3: I found the uncut Gems Fool to be super annoying.
Speaker 3: He was that kind of where it's like I don't
Speaker 3: care if you die, damn.
Speaker 2: So this was like a chore for you to get
Speaker 2: through Mike, because if.
Speaker 8: You would, if you don't care about their think you
Speaker 8: could get If you don't care about him, this movie
Speaker 8: is because to me I was I was talking to
Speaker 8: Jaylen about it.
Speaker 2: I was like, to me, this movie is like.
Speaker 3: An extreme movie as far as fandom, where if you
Speaker 3: are a Timothy Charla May.
Speaker 2: Fan, you love this movie.
Speaker 3: If you don't know much about Timothy Shaper could give
Speaker 3: a fuck about him, This movie is like not even
Speaker 3: gonna crack your top ten of the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 6: I also think it definitely probably put a lot of
Speaker 6: people on to Timothy Challa, may you know, And I
Speaker 6: think they're gonna walk away with like, oh my God.
Speaker 1: Like he's he's next, he got the juice. And that's
Speaker 1: what I think is happening.
Speaker 6: I think to your point, for people that are fans,
Speaker 6: it's proof of concept for them. It's like I told y'all,
Speaker 6: I told y'all he could he could act, so he
Speaker 6: was and uh, you.
Speaker 3: Would say this is a movie, Like if people didn't
Speaker 3: know who he was, this is the movie you will
Speaker 3: present them with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or the other one there movie I present them with,
Speaker 1: it's the one. It's this one of the one way
Speaker 1: you played Bob Dylan. Because they say that both Rose
Speaker 1: wrote no, I just heard both of the roles.
Speaker 3: Something you ain't got Cleve seen it.
Speaker 1: He ship. But they're saying they're saying that both of
Speaker 1: these are similar roles though like that they're saying essentially
Speaker 1: it's the same character that he played in the Bob
Speaker 1: Dylan movie. HM, so I would assosed So these are
Speaker 1: the two breakout performances from him, but your kids point.
Speaker 1: I heard his name before I seen him in Doomed,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like, oh God, let me. But after I
Speaker 1: watched this movie, though, I was like, Okay, I see
Speaker 1: I see what they're saying.
Speaker 2: That was that was my.
Speaker 3: Thing with this is like this was to be like
Speaker 3: he's supposed to this is going to showcase him as
Speaker 3: an a lister and all that, and like supposed to
Speaker 3: kind of showcase evidence to why people talk about him
Speaker 3: so much. And I think he did carry the movie.
Speaker 3: And I don't think he's a bad actor, but to me,
Speaker 3: he's I don't think he doesn't look he didn't. This
Speaker 3: movie doesn't say like oh screams like oh a lister.
Speaker 3: This is just not a good It's just a good film.
Speaker 3: To me, it's not Denzil in Training Day.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But they're talking about it like this is his Tom
Speaker 3: Hanks castaway moment, Will Smith I am Legend moment where
Speaker 3: it's like this is putting you over the top where
Speaker 3: you could carry a movie.
Speaker 2: And to me, it's just like that's a half truth.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I think for us it may not be the case,
Speaker 6: but I think for Hollywood and everyone else it is
Speaker 6: indeed the case.
Speaker 1: Really he might be the guy moving forward.
Speaker 2: I agree with Nick, like it's a half truth in
Speaker 2: the sense of he.
Speaker 1: He did a really really good job in this movie.
Speaker 1: I don't want to take anything away from that. But
Speaker 1: it didn't make him must see for me, like I
Speaker 1: don't have to see his next movie. I always like
Speaker 1: that though. No, like if Denzel put a movie out,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it. If Leo, if Leo put a
Speaker 1: movie out, I'm gonna watch it. Like they were trying
Speaker 1: to say to Nick's point that he's on that list now,
Speaker 1: like if Timothy Shallow may put a movie out, you
Speaker 1: need to watch it. I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 1: Like we watched.
Speaker 3: He's on their list. Yes, they should have given him
Speaker 3: a better subject matter. Yeah, but I guess maybe they're
Speaker 3: looking at it like this. If this motherfucker was able
Speaker 3: to do a movie about fucking ping pong and make
Speaker 3: it entertaining for people like Rod or or I guess
Speaker 3: Nick liked it too, then that's enough.
Speaker 1: Maybe because I can't think of a single.
Speaker 3: Actor that could do a movie about ping pong righter
Speaker 3: like the Fascinating, like the Ping Pong Ball had to
Speaker 3: have a bomb.
Speaker 1: Or something in it for me to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: getting in tense.
Speaker 2: But it's just a fucking ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And that's why I keep comparing it
Speaker 1: to The Smashing Machine. I could care two fucks about MMA,
Speaker 1: but the Rock made it kind of interesting. The way
Speaker 1: it was shot made it kind of interesting, and I
Speaker 1: think these movies are similar in that sense. Moving to
Speaker 1: when he gets to the British Open. He gets there,
Speaker 1: he wins a match. He talks to the head of
Speaker 1: Ping Pong in the World or whatever it may be,
Speaker 1: and says his living conditions are unbearable. He should be
Speaker 1: staying at the rich, just like they staying at the rich.
Speaker 1: Was this part of the movie convincing to you, as
Speaker 1: far as him being able to be a slick talker,
Speaker 1: him being able to sell himself, him getting what he
Speaker 1: wants in this character? What you say think, Nick?
Speaker 2: I love his.
Speaker 3: Well, I love his confidence in himself because he he
Speaker 3: respects himself to a certain level where it's like, I'm
Speaker 3: the best, so I need to be treated like the best,
Speaker 3: and I can't really get you can't really get mad
Speaker 3: at that.
Speaker 2: Again, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 3: How he if I think he tried to portray like
Speaker 3: he's putting this whole uh sport on his back, like yeah,
Speaker 3: or like I think he because I think he was
Speaker 3: still the number one ranked person in America at that time,
Speaker 3: so he feels like I'm the face of this, so
Speaker 3: I should be treated like that, And like how he
Speaker 3: was trying to talk his way into it.
Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought it was pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: But I feel like his his confidence as we move
Speaker 3: forward past this, it it.
Speaker 2: Never changed based off circumstance.
Speaker 3: It was always the same, and I thought that was
Speaker 3: one of the most unique things about his character.
Speaker 5: Oh, I disagree a little bit with that last point,
Speaker 5: because I feel like we saw his personality being broken
Speaker 5: down a little about little, his ego getting taken away
Speaker 5: a little by little, like by different by different people people,
Speaker 5: like just as the movie progressed until until the absolute
Speaker 5: end where you know. So, I did like how we
Speaker 5: kind of gradually saw different situations chipping at his ego
Speaker 5: because it's like he started as such a high point
Speaker 5: about himself and then we see as as as the
Speaker 5: movie continues, he's not just thinking about himself anymore. But
Speaker 5: but I agree with you as far as the you know,
Speaker 5: I did like seeing it because I'm not that type
Speaker 5: of person, So I like seeing things like that, like
Speaker 5: like people that can be that way just just demanding,
Speaker 5: like pretty much privilege or whatever, like this is mind
Speaker 5: for the taking, I'm that next dude or whatever. And
Speaker 5: I just I like seeing it. I like seeing his
Speaker 5: confidence be so high. But but yeah, and I like
Speaker 5: seeing people challenge that confidence too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he made it seem like, if you respect
Speaker 3: the sport, you should respect me.
Speaker 1: Because people respect the door that was the issue, but
Speaker 1: the sport. The people that he was talking to, who
Speaker 1: was supposed to being the directors of the tournament or whatever, like,
Speaker 1: they took it very seriously, which is why I think
Speaker 1: he was able to convince them. However, it took a
Speaker 1: little bit away from me in the sense of He's
Speaker 1: saying these things and all the pieces are lined up
Speaker 1: in the correct place, and I'm gonna take table to
Speaker 1: this the next level in America, and I'm sitting here thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that never happened. So that kind of
Speaker 1: gives away the movie, like you never did the thing
Speaker 1: that you said you was gonna do and be number
Speaker 1: one and have people talking about table tennis because people
Speaker 1: can still give two fucks about Ping Pong. So I
Speaker 1: think it was good showing the confidence of the character,
Speaker 1: but I also think it took away in the sense
Speaker 1: of me as just a viewer of the movie, thinking, well,
Speaker 1: I know how this is gonna end there cause like
Speaker 1: this this stuff that you're saying, you being the number
Speaker 1: one player and people starting to give a fuck about
Speaker 1: you and all of this stuff like it never happened.
Speaker 6: So you know, when I when I heard him say that,
Speaker 6: the question is when that was?
Speaker 1: When did all that happen? I got on my phone, kid,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, let me, let me google this,
Speaker 1: and it never happened.
Speaker 6: So I'm like, okay, because it's like it's such a
Speaker 6: jump to him, like selling himself, and I don't know
Speaker 6: if I needed to see it, but I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: when did all that happen? I said, Okay, I guess
Speaker 6: we're just gonna go with it, you know, because I.
Speaker 2: Had never heard of I'm grueci you, what's you didn't happen? Oh?
Speaker 2: I just I couldn't.
Speaker 3: I couldn't give a fuck less about the confidence of
Speaker 3: a little white boy like.
Speaker 1: I see that every day when I go to fucking Koger,
Speaker 1: Like I don't.
Speaker 3: That doesn't impress me, and that doesn't make me excited
Speaker 3: to watch a film. Oh man, this little white boy
Speaker 3: is so confident. Most little white boys are confident.
Speaker 1: Too. What reason would he have to not be confident?
Speaker 2: You know, Mike, That's why I feel like this this
Speaker 2: movie got a lot of praise.
Speaker 3: It's because like white boys love these type of movies
Speaker 3: and these type of That's why people I feel like,
Speaker 3: people like Tony start a lot because he could go
Speaker 3: into a room.
Speaker 2: He ain't got no powers, but he felt like.
Speaker 3: He had a listen and talking ship to captain and
Speaker 3: all the door and it's like this is.
Speaker 2: When Marty was doing all movie long talking ship.
Speaker 1: And he really wasn't about ship.
Speaker 3: And he the most frail motherfucker in every room, that's
Speaker 3: the thing. And they laughing black friend with sorry as hell.
Speaker 1: He's a fucking taxi.
Speaker 3: Driver, got hair, kids, got kids at the house.
Speaker 1: And he can't.
Speaker 2: Shop.
Speaker 1: He disappeared for three days. Speaking of talking ship, he
Speaker 1: meets the faded Starr k Stone and she walks through
Speaker 1: the hotel lobby daylight eyes. How believable was it that
Speaker 1: this phone conversation could have happened, bro, it was it
Speaker 1: was the apple.
Speaker 2: Walk me through this phone conversation. It's that easy to
Speaker 2: get me. He in the nineteen fifties, I was taking
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 8: I swear to god. I was like, this all you
Speaker 8: had to do in the bowl, boy, I saw some
Speaker 8: the lose thing.
Speaker 9: I I ain't got to put it in the bro.
Speaker 4: He ship was up though, he told her like, look,
Speaker 4: check the check. The paper paid such and such, and
Speaker 4: she checked us. She's just like, oh, okay, this is
Speaker 4: supposed to impress me.
Speaker 5: And I did like this dynamic too, because I mean
Speaker 5: she obviously it would have taken a lot to impress
Speaker 5: her because she was obviously dating someone that was a
Speaker 5: higher stature than he was.
Speaker 4: Uh So, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I liked it. Impressed though, That was the thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think at any point in the movie she was
Speaker 1: impressed by him. He was just a release first.
Speaker 5: She was intrigue press impressed. No, but she was intrigued.
Speaker 5: She was intrigue, which is why she showed up to
Speaker 5: the game, to the match.
Speaker 1: M hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Has she any any smash too? So she wasn't trugued.
Speaker 1: That doesn't feel like that would have been hard because
Speaker 1: she didn't even like.
Speaker 2: To do she was with Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 6: We didn't know that at the time, but yeah we
Speaker 6: found out. Did y'all know that was? That was gwyn
Speaker 6: and Paltrow. What happened to her was.
Speaker 2: Actually can.
Speaker 1: I was like, who is this woman? Did she get older?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, can women age bro just like we did.
Speaker 5: I think, like a lot of these women, it's not
Speaker 5: she looked good because because a lot of these women.
Speaker 4: Like her her time.
Speaker 5: Are getting a lot of like like work done, and
Speaker 5: I don't feel like she's getting as much work done
Speaker 5: as these other actors.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought happened, because my.
Speaker 2: Thing with her was just like I just didn't believe
Speaker 2: that he could bag her. You know what I'm saying, Like, really, no,
Speaker 2: I think she had low self esteem. Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was she was dealing with to not being in
Speaker 1: Hollywood anymore, you could tell, and it made her feel
Speaker 1: better about herself messing with Marty. That's that's how I
Speaker 1: wrote it off, because you're right, he couldn't have bagged her.
Speaker 2: I don't believe but jo himself esteem that low.
Speaker 3: You fucking table tennis niggas.
Speaker 2: But you say right.
Speaker 4: Y'all means don't remember Titanic.
Speaker 1: If Pauldrow was.
Speaker 3: No he talking about the bute age though, right, Like
Speaker 3: she was young and she ain't no.
Speaker 2: Grinnod Paltrow is older class. Yeah, she's used to a certain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was young.
Speaker 3: He was like way younger than her. That's why she was,
Speaker 3: you know, interested in that for a minute. He's this
Speaker 3: young kid that wants to fuck. Of course, yeah, I
Speaker 3: still about it.
Speaker 10: Got a grow back, I'm sorry real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your black swuffing me too. I think that she
Speaker 1: was not impressed. Intrigued was the right word, like you said, Rod,
Speaker 1: just by how young that he was and how confident
Speaker 1: that he was in himself. She was looking to see
Speaker 1: where he got that confidence from. That's why she went
Speaker 1: to the match. In my opinion, none of that ship
Speaker 1: seemed believable to me.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but but it's no different than than how
Speaker 5: Stella got a grow back. It's the same concept of
Speaker 5: older women wanting to feel desired by younger men.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but but Stella went to Jamaica looking for something,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 2: She and of course she just stumbled on some dick.
Speaker 3: But like good aboucho who was like again already rich
Speaker 3: or like had had class.
Speaker 2: And she's just getting a random phone call from some
Speaker 2: friend last nigga.
Speaker 3: Like Nick, she was looking for it too, because exactly,
Speaker 3: women don't just travel around with lingerie in their bag
Speaker 3: like that. She showed up with with a fucking outfit on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was with a husband ahead for him.
Speaker 3: She ain't happen for him for him, No, No, that's
Speaker 3: that's some new new all right.
Speaker 1: So we get to the tournament. We see him play. Uh,
Speaker 1: he plays the first round, kills the guy, second round,
Speaker 1: beats his mentor. The third round though, he's playing against
Speaker 1: the Japanese player who has a different paddle, and he
Speaker 1: beats him. He whooped his ass. Actually, was this a
Speaker 1: turning point in the movie for you? For you guys,
Speaker 1: did y'all look at him like, oh, he he just
Speaker 1: talking shit? He ain't even really as good as you
Speaker 1: say he is. What did y'all think he was gonna
Speaker 1: win this match?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: What did you get from the first latch?
Speaker 2: I knew he was gonna lose as soon as he
Speaker 2: looked at that paddle. He ain't know what he was
Speaker 2: looking at. I think I can't tell him was the
Speaker 2: paddle of the man. He didn't know what he was
Speaker 2: looking at it.
Speaker 3: He was like this, this is gonna be an interesting
Speaker 3: day for me. But yeah, him getting his ass what
Speaker 3: was kind of like, oh, you're just good in America,
Speaker 3: You're not good, and like it's kind of like baseball,
Speaker 3: white boys is good until they in the grade, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, he I don't I knew he thought he
Speaker 5: thought he was gonna lose before that, You remember, y'all,
Speaker 5: remember like he was just like, yo, who are Why
Speaker 5: did these motherfuckers? Ain't think I could even play in
Speaker 5: this tournament? Like like, so when he saw that they
Speaker 5: were gonna be in a tournament, he's like, oh, ship,
Speaker 5: I wasn't expecting that. So he started he started getting sweat.
Speaker 5: He started sweating a little bit before this match even started.
Speaker 5: So that's why they put so much emphasis on him.
Speaker 5: Looking at that guy throughout the tournament, raising up the ranks.
Speaker 1: Damn, they all look like rob.
Speaker 2: It wasn't China. He made it a b so many.
Speaker 11: Times I started to say Asian, I was so confident.
Speaker 12: Right, the ping pong was made in China.
Speaker 13: The worn he was playing, were you more interested?
Speaker 1: When he lost some match.
Speaker 14: Mike, No, I wasn't because you know, honestly, when I
Speaker 14: was watching this, at no point did they really give
Speaker 14: me the impression that he was the ship.
Speaker 3: I just felt like, I feel like, if if you
Speaker 3: can keep that little ball on the table, then you're
Speaker 3: just you know, you're a you're.
Speaker 1: A ping pong player.
Speaker 3: That's like a basic thing for ping pong when you
Speaker 3: keep that little ball on the table.
Speaker 2: When he got his ass by the Asian dude.
Speaker 3: I was expecting that from the second at age showed
Speaker 3: up because he was holding the paddle all weird like this.
Speaker 3: He was like holding it from the inside. He's gonnahoop
Speaker 3: your ass, and he did.
Speaker 6: That's when when I said, when he was talking all
Speaker 6: that ship, I was like, when did that happen? That's
Speaker 6: what I was referring to, is like, I don't know
Speaker 6: if I felt like I needed to see him be
Speaker 6: a badass.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So when he got up there, I'm just like, bro, yeah,
Speaker 6: as you gotta say, you you really met your match.
Speaker 6: And then I found out this one for you lost
Speaker 6: to somebody that can't even hear.
Speaker 1: On top of that, he was yeah, they said, he
Speaker 1: just see the ball.
Speaker 2: Don't play this motherfucker.
Speaker 3: If all he can do is see, he's gonna see
Speaker 3: better than you. You saw that like your other senses.
Speaker 2: And he was he was the daredevil people. They were
Speaker 2: talking to him later though, y'all he had.
Speaker 1: The earthing and.
Speaker 2: He had the ear PC. Yeah, so he could hear.
Speaker 4: I thought that was a translator. I thought that was
Speaker 4: a translator.
Speaker 1: They didn't have translators like that. They said he was deaf.
Speaker 2: They did, so he was death. This is why I was.
Speaker 2: I do it to my I just got air ponds.
Speaker 1: He had the iPhone headphones with the string on there,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I thought you.
Speaker 4: Didn't hear.
Speaker 2: The whole time.
Speaker 4: They got that.
Speaker 1: Agent crazy because they definitely said he couldn't hear, like
Speaker 1: he said, but they were talking to him at the end.
Speaker 2: That's why he didn't say nothing. He just he never really.
Speaker 9: Talking.
Speaker 2: He just walked through.
Speaker 1: He was just looking the whole movie.
Speaker 3: He ain't know he won until he got back home.
Speaker 3: For me, how did I miss this? I did not
Speaker 3: catch that he was deaf.
Speaker 4: He was lord.
Speaker 1: They stayed in the little Montague when he went back home.
Speaker 1: But he was deaf. Damn. That's funny, all right. So
Speaker 1: he loses to the agent guy. I feel like they
Speaker 1: did a disservice of showing how much of a badass
Speaker 1: that he was in ping pong, Like y'all said, when
Speaker 1: they went the little ping pong bar hut whatever whatever
Speaker 1: they was playing it, like, they should have shown him
Speaker 1: being better there when they was playing at the little
Speaker 1: ping pong spots.
Speaker 4: Uh they did.
Speaker 1: I mean, he he lost, didn't, He didn't.
Speaker 4: Didn't what they hustled, what they were hustling.
Speaker 1: Not at the I ain't got there yet, but I'm
Speaker 1: talking about even before he left, when he was playing
Speaker 1: ping pong with your man's Tyler, Tyler the cre at
Speaker 1: the training facility. It didn't even look like he was
Speaker 1: that cold then, Like Tyler was beating him. It seemed
Speaker 1: like and he was somebody couldn't keep track of the ball.
Speaker 1: So they did do him a disservice. So how much
Speaker 1: of a bad as he was? And then he had
Speaker 1: that loss.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: But after that loss, he comes back, he has the
Speaker 1: lunch meeting with Kevin O'Leary and he offers him to
Speaker 1: come play ping pong exhibition event, pay you a thousand bucks.
Speaker 2: He's talking and he talking to him like.
Speaker 1: I'm Jordan's and you this, this is I would never
Speaker 1: do this, but I'll give you my response of whatever
Speaker 1: it may be. He was framing it like he would
Speaker 1: be doing him a favor to do this. Was that
Speaker 1: a big mistake in the sense of what he was
Speaker 1: trying to do.
Speaker 4: You're talking about Gwenna Pacho's husband.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which which to know, the same dude that was
Speaker 1: in the when he came out walking on Towe when
Speaker 1: she was talking on the phone.
Speaker 4: Was yeah, that's him.
Speaker 1: That was Yeah, he didn't look like him in the
Speaker 1: hotel room. But yeah, Gwyneth Paul Joe's husband, when she
Speaker 1: had the conversation with him and they have lunch and
Speaker 1: he wants to offer him to go to the ping
Speaker 1: Pome exhibition thing and he turns it down. What do
Speaker 1: you think about that? I thought he was wanting to fall.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 3: He didn't want him to take the fall, even I
Speaker 3: got while he said no, that made sense. Why would
Speaker 3: he want he has an ego, why would he want
Speaker 3: to go in there purposely take a fall.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, He didn't want to take a fall, He
Speaker 1: just didn't want to play him before the tournament. He
Speaker 1: was willing to do it after but this was a
Speaker 1: week before the tournament.
Speaker 3: I thought I thought, I thought it was insinuated that
Speaker 3: he would take the fall in the exhibition match, because
Speaker 3: he was like, he's because he's he finally understood how
Speaker 3: big the game can be since the Asian guy won,
Speaker 3: and he was like, I could sell my product overseas
Speaker 3: using this as a vehicle to showcase my product and
Speaker 3: him being the face of that.
Speaker 2: I can't have him lose to you, because then I
Speaker 2: will say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think when Timothy Challamage's character was cool
Speaker 1: with that, he just didn't want it to be. Before
Speaker 1: they played in the tournament, he was.
Speaker 3: He was recruited a rematch, but he said making a
Speaker 3: real game, like, don't make me take the fall for that.
Speaker 3: And then that's when the dude was like, what other
Speaker 3: options do you have?
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, Jess, so you could sell some pins. I
Speaker 6: just wanted to lose his match. It was stupid, you know,
Speaker 6: but I get it at this point, you know, even
Speaker 6: though he had just lost to this guy, he still
Speaker 6: thinks he's the top dog, and for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 6: I guess in America he is, you know, so yeah,
Speaker 6: why would he want to go lose a matchup just
Speaker 6: to sell some pins.
Speaker 1: Ain't doing that ship hmm yeah, especially if you're trying
Speaker 1: to build yourself up. That is make any sense?
Speaker 4: Well game for him?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, okay about his ego.
Speaker 4: Both, I think yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense that he wanted after the
Speaker 1: tournament if he's going to take the loss, because he
Speaker 1: wants people to know that I did beat him when
Speaker 1: we were playing for real, so we can do this
Speaker 1: exhibition thing after the tournament. And then that's where they
Speaker 1: had to snag at. What did you guys think of?
Speaker 1: So I didn't really talk about this in the beginning,
Speaker 1: but he robbed the shoe store for his bunny to
Speaker 1: get to the British Open. He robbed Lloyd I think
Speaker 1: his name was, and pulled the gut on him. But
Speaker 1: when he gets back, his uncle has a police there.
Speaker 1: They go through this whole thing. This ain't to do
Speaker 1: anything for you guys, I.
Speaker 3: Want I personally wanted more scenes with him and his family,
Speaker 3: specifically with fran Dresser and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I thought that's.
Speaker 3: Where we were going to get when we got to
Speaker 3: like these scenes, because I thought what his uncle was
Speaker 3: trying to do is me basically say like he basically
Speaker 3: says like yeah, like bro, like you're really you're really
Speaker 3: great at being a salesman and I want to pass
Speaker 3: this Basically this store down to you know, only for yourself,
Speaker 3: but you can take care of your moms because she
Speaker 3: needs help too.
Speaker 2: I can't keep paying the bills.
Speaker 3: And he was just so focused on trying to be
Speaker 3: great at something else that I like that conflict between
Speaker 3: like your own desires versus you know, family obligations. But
Speaker 3: it's just like we just kept on touching gold with
Speaker 3: that a lot. And this scene was like, it was
Speaker 3: an interesting scene because to see like the depths, his
Speaker 3: uncle was willing to go like either you do this
Speaker 3: or you go to jail, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I liked that scene about it, but we just
Speaker 3: didn't get too much of it from In my opinion,
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think it spoke to this.
Speaker 1: Nailed at Home for me is like how much he
Speaker 1: believed in himself. We've seen it all through these other
Speaker 1: movies and the conversations that he had with the different people,
Speaker 1: but this really spoke to like this is like the
Speaker 1: mixtape rapper when someone tell you they are rapper back
Speaker 1: in the day, like they got mixtapes or whatever. They
Speaker 1: really believe they gonna make it, and you looking at
Speaker 1: it like ra everybody raps. They looking at him like, well,
Speaker 1: you're playing fucking ping pong, dude, Like this can't be
Speaker 1: a career. This is impossible. Like you have real skill sets,
Speaker 1: real talents, real things that you can do. And to
Speaker 1: your point, Nick, I'm gonna go to these lymphs to
Speaker 1: show you that that right there, ain't it like you
Speaker 1: gotta give ping pong up. But he believed in it
Speaker 1: so strongly. This kind of nailed at home for me.
Speaker 6: What you think, but it was it was I think,
Speaker 6: n It makes a good point because when they showed
Speaker 6: us that they finally believed in them, I'm like, when
Speaker 6: did that happen? Because they have been dismissing him the
Speaker 6: whole time, But did they That's what they said. That's
Speaker 6: one of the one of his cousins somebody said. It
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, we really believe in you, Marty.
Speaker 2: Like man, everybody believed in them.
Speaker 1: Everybody believed in them. When what's that?
Speaker 2: I missed it?
Speaker 1: People?
Speaker 2: People in my viewing, Marty was.
Speaker 1: Looked at us like cam effect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, but he made him.
Speaker 3: But everybody knew Marty had talents as far as like
Speaker 3: more so interpersonal communication, like he know how to.
Speaker 2: Talk his way into a room.
Speaker 3: You know, clearly in the movie he knew how to
Speaker 3: talk his way and again you know in women's draws
Speaker 3: and shit like that. So he has a talent of
Speaker 3: being able to be a people person and he seems
Speaker 3: smart enough to like actually do the job well. But
Speaker 3: it's just that he wanted to use those those talents
Speaker 3: for something else or go into a different direction. That's
Speaker 3: why I felt like it was it was easy for
Speaker 3: people to buy into him. But I think to Ken
Speaker 3: and Mike's point, but we never really saw a display
Speaker 3: as far as the other side of why he was
Speaker 3: so enthusiastic about his table tennis, Like we never really
Speaker 3: seen him dominate for a long period of time to
Speaker 3: justify his confidence.
Speaker 2: And anything else.
Speaker 3: If he was confident just being shoe salesman, it's understandable
Speaker 3: because we could probably go off of that based off
Speaker 3: of everybody else's belief. But that's the reason. That's the
Speaker 3: thing that kind of just threw the story off a
Speaker 3: little bit. I guess from I can understand what other
Speaker 3: people like not really buying into it.
Speaker 1: You just didn't see him dominate enough on the ping
Speaker 1: pong tap. Most we see them lose most of the movies.
Speaker 1: Didn't lose.
Speaker 2: It ain't really well.
Speaker 1: He won that first match, he blew the dude, the
Speaker 1: first dude out, and then and we can get into this.
Speaker 1: He comes back, he has that conversation and now he
Speaker 1: needs he well, I want to talk about this first,
Speaker 1: so he has to go to a hotel. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, yes, get to the scene.
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about with his friend, his mentor that
Speaker 2: you talked about.
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead, and.
Speaker 2: Bro, I tried to block it out of my mind.
Speaker 2: Know why, why why did we have.
Speaker 1: To experience that?
Speaker 15: They were remember, but you don't see what his story
Speaker 15: about him being a fucking World War two capture and
Speaker 15: they were he was doing bombs and a bee flew
Speaker 15: on him and he.
Speaker 2: Followed the beat to the hive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to all.
Speaker 2: The honey off and put it on him.
Speaker 3: To be they it off and get nourishment. Yeah, b
Speaker 3: I meant to look it up and see if that
Speaker 3: was real, but I am it's Auschwitz. I'm not putting
Speaker 3: anything past what they did.
Speaker 1: In that camp.
Speaker 4: But that was some kind of joke.
Speaker 1: Didn't hit me. I don't know if it was a joke.
Speaker 2: This is more like a fun fact about history. And
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, why do we need to know this?
Speaker 2: That was so they was getting it.
Speaker 1: They just weren't. They were.
Speaker 2: He was, he was happy. He stood there like Jesus.
Speaker 4: Oh my child.
Speaker 3: Me.
Speaker 1: But that whole thing plays out and I forgot, well
Speaker 1: where was I at?
Speaker 7: He was?
Speaker 1: But when his uncle was like, uh, got the policeman
Speaker 1: over his place, and got the policeman over his place.
Speaker 1: So they go through that, he jumps out. He goes
Speaker 1: on the run. He learns that the girl that he
Speaker 1: slept with in the first scene is pregnant. Did y'all
Speaker 1: think this was Marty's baby? Like it was too obvious,
Speaker 1: right they I thought.
Speaker 6: They showed the sperm in the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 6: They did, but we don't know that was his If
Speaker 6: that was him, that was just I'm saying that could
Speaker 6: have been Marty's birth.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you know what.
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, we don't know who it's a sperm,
Speaker 2: We don't know that that was him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had sets. It seemed like it was pretty
Speaker 1: clear that. Yeah, why would they put it there? Right?
Speaker 1: I guess Roy, you.
Speaker 2: Think that was his baby?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, for sure, I uh yeah, because the whole
Speaker 4: time I was like, man, that's messed up because because
Speaker 4: he was still with the.
Speaker 5: Other guy her like her husband or I'm like, yeah
Speaker 5: it was married.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, But I thought that Marty was funny.
Speaker 4: He's like, look, that ain't mine. It was on some
Speaker 4: minutes of society looked Jimmy him extra tight.
Speaker 2: He got it worse. He was like, you let him
Speaker 2: busting YouTube. He had to kill her answer. He was like,
Speaker 2: does he come in you? Jesus, that's my husband.
Speaker 1: Piece of ship. Marty didn't give too about anybody on
Speaker 1: the planet Earth other than him, he like, except that.
Speaker 4: He's like, I got things to do.
Speaker 5: I don't know what what you're gonna do about this situation,
Speaker 5: but I'm destined for greatness.
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 2: At least he didn't lead her on though. At least
Speaker 2: he was like he told her.
Speaker 1: He was like, are you gonna like take the child
Speaker 1: to an adoption agency and do this? And she was
Speaker 1: like no. He was like no, oh, well bye. I
Speaker 1: like I like.
Speaker 16: It because I'm telling you the only way this is
Speaker 16: gonna work and telling me you can't do that, so
Speaker 16: there's nothing else you need to talk about.
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Those are the funniest parts of the movie, bro where he.
Speaker 3: Was kidd he was cutting her down. Everything was like, listen,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this. I got purpose,
Speaker 3: you don't.
Speaker 1: What do you do every day? And she brought her
Speaker 1: ass back too. She did. She loved us as Mark.
Speaker 1: But he goes to check into that hotel and they
Speaker 1: get prepared to go scam some people so he could
Speaker 1: make some money to go to Tokyo and play in
Speaker 1: the new tournament that's coming up. So he gets the
Speaker 1: hotel room for four dollars a night. The dude explicitly
Speaker 1: tells him do not take a bath. He takes a bath,
Speaker 1: and the bath falls through the floor onto the dog
Speaker 1: and the man, what'd you guys think about this? Same?
Speaker 1: I was just like, don't let that dog be hurt.
Speaker 2: I was saying the same thing, but he was like
Speaker 2: he was hurt.
Speaker 1: To us, like, oh man, it ain't fuck that dog up,
Speaker 1: did it.
Speaker 3: But that that tub landing on that dude's arm, I
Speaker 3: was like, Wow, that's that's a lot.
Speaker 1: That was well, that was an old ship moment for
Speaker 1: this movie. I did. I did say old show shit
Speaker 1: because I didn't expect that to happen. This movie did good,
Speaker 1: and the you weren't really expecting to happen. They slow
Speaker 1: the pace down and they speeded right back up. Wait
Speaker 1: you think they did? You don't.
Speaker 2: You didn't expect that to happen.
Speaker 1: I ain't think the tube was going to fall through
Speaker 1: the floor.
Speaker 2: That's a man's percent what I thought, not laying on
Speaker 2: the guy's.
Speaker 3: But I absolutely knew that that was going to happen
Speaker 3: the second he came in there. The guy made a
Speaker 3: point to say, don't take a bath.
Speaker 2: He said a shower on it. I thought this was
Speaker 2: a loophole.
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 2: I thought he said don't take a shower. That's why
Speaker 2: he was taking a bath. Because if that's the.
Speaker 3: Case, why even include that throwaway dialogue like he specifically said,
Speaker 3: like don't use the bathtub or don't take a shower,
Speaker 3: whatever it was. Marty immediately does it. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: it's gonna fall through the floor. I didn't expect it
Speaker 3: to land on that dude's arm with the dog in
Speaker 3: the bathtub.
Speaker 4: Yeah, part that's the part that I didn't expect.
Speaker 1: I knew it, like Mike.
Speaker 5: Like Mike said, I knew it was in the fall
Speaker 5: to the floor, but I just didn't expect for it
Speaker 5: to be like that dramatic.
Speaker 1: So that was supposed to be a chaotic scene. From
Speaker 1: there we get the whole thing with Marty taking the dog.
Speaker 1: He gets some money, learns that he has a fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred dollar fine that's to pay so he can be
Speaker 1: qualified for the event. So they go hustle at a
Speaker 1: pool hall bowling alley. Was this intriguing at all? When
Speaker 1: he hustles his dude the bowling that, oh hustles the bowling?
Speaker 4: Now, it was okay. I mean it was kind of
Speaker 4: to be expected.
Speaker 5: You knew exactly what they were doing, uh, and knew
Speaker 5: how it's gonna kind of play out.
Speaker 4: We've seen this before.
Speaker 5: But I guess, like them actually capturing them, then they
Speaker 5: catch them, and then they started messing, messing the vehicle and.
Speaker 4: All that type of stuff.
Speaker 10: I don't think I expected them to actually catch him.
Speaker 4: Like circle back around and catch him later. I't expect
Speaker 4: that to me.
Speaker 2: This is the part of the film where we're like,
Speaker 2: all right, we.
Speaker 3: Could chop out twenty thirty minutes of like like we
Speaker 3: didn't like again, like you mentioned Rod, like we know
Speaker 3: of a hustle, they could just have just done the
Speaker 3: setup and then showed them driving away with the money
Speaker 3: and then show the guys following them to try to
Speaker 3: get it back.
Speaker 2: Like this whole middle part because like again, we don't really.
Speaker 3: Since we know it's a hustle, we don't really even
Speaker 3: give much like respect to Marty uh winning or doing
Speaker 3: any of.
Speaker 2: That, like as a ping pong player.
Speaker 3: Like again, the movie doesn't really do a good job
Speaker 3: of showcasing like Marty's really talented until literally all the
Speaker 3: way at the end. And but we have a two
Speaker 3: and a half hour movie, so the ending is like
Speaker 3: the last twenty minutes if that. So that's why I'm like, bro,
Speaker 3: let's let's just get to the ships, Like why we
Speaker 3: wasting time? Why why am I seeing a lot of
Speaker 3: these scenes with a girl that he don't like with
Speaker 3: a hustle.
Speaker 1: That was.
Speaker 3: Or even or even we saw mond tips of him
Speaker 3: in the Harlem Globe Trotter ship.
Speaker 6: Like which I felt him on that ship. That ship, Bro,
Speaker 6: he did play ping pong with a seal.
Speaker 3: I think that part was needed to show that he
Speaker 3: had kind of turned himself into a joke.
Speaker 1: But he was lying.
Speaker 2: He was like lying to himself to make it seem like,
Speaker 2: oh no, I mean they're like the.
Speaker 6: Biggest eight thousand people, the greatest he said, the greatest
Speaker 6: athletes in the world.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he he was trying to lie and pretend
Speaker 3: that he wasn't now a fucking joke, which he was
Speaker 3: a joke. My thing is like we can get glimpses
Speaker 3: of that. We got like, yeah, it was the ten
Speaker 3: minutes of like of like, okay, we get the point now,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, like, and he was so
Speaker 3: adamant not to do it.
Speaker 1: I think they tried to. They would overhaul and hamber
Speaker 1: it at home because he was telling them. When the
Speaker 1: Gay first presented the Globe, try to ship to him,
Speaker 1: he was like, man, are you fucking serious? I'm to
Speaker 1: be like Tiger Woods of the next big thing, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not doing globe try to events, and then he
Speaker 1: has to do it. So mm hmm.
Speaker 6: You know, I think with with this thing, I think
Speaker 6: my first observation is that Dann, we're in the fifties
Speaker 6: and they only used the N word once, So I
Speaker 6: don't know why somebody else can't do that, but.
Speaker 1: I was from the same They wouldn't have gave two
Speaker 1: fus about that black dude getting home.
Speaker 2: They extra carry that part was weird.
Speaker 1: That part was weird.
Speaker 3: Man, just give him five dollars Like, I was like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, what this is supposed to be the
Speaker 3: fifties and.
Speaker 1: Y'all are white, wouldn't and they don't call the New
Speaker 1: York like No, they only called him a nigga because
Speaker 1: he stole money from him. That that was this kid.
Speaker 2: I was like, you don't use it, do me and
Speaker 2: ship like I got.
Speaker 1: I can't heard that one. God, So they go through
Speaker 1: that whole thing. They hold on real quick. How do
Speaker 1: y'all think Tyler did.
Speaker 2: Did a good job.
Speaker 1: They did a good job.
Speaker 2: He was I mean, it wasn't much acting. Again, it
Speaker 2: felt like Kevin Garnett. Yeah, he was him. I would
Speaker 2: expect to be there on every day basis.
Speaker 4: I feel like he was more than Kevin though.
Speaker 1: You think so.
Speaker 4: I think you put I think you put on a
Speaker 4: better performance than Kevin Garnett. I've always thought Charlie should be.
Speaker 1: Sorry back again. Yeah, we're you about to rock. Oh damn.
Speaker 2: Mine.
Speaker 1: They pull over to get some gas after they hustle
Speaker 1: the people from the barber shop.
Speaker 2: This is a significant plot point in the sense of
Speaker 2: the dog.
Speaker 1: People. They feel like they got hustled. They left it
Speaker 1: said that dog that car like that at all. I
Speaker 1: didn't need that better be fucking CVR. Bro because the
Speaker 1: way that dog fell man over and he was chasing
Speaker 1: after them to that was that was kind of said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was running. I thought he was running out of
Speaker 1: the car the car.
Speaker 2: I thought they.
Speaker 1: I thought he was running towards the car. As they
Speaker 1: were speaking out.
Speaker 3: The dog fell out. They went this way and the
Speaker 3: dog ran this way. Oh, I think because the way
Speaker 3: the dog was running were the guys that were chasing him.
Speaker 2: That's the same direction. So that's why that dog was gone.
Speaker 1: Dog was running, well, he knew what was up. Nigga
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, I'm a black ass dog to get
Speaker 1: out of here. What's gonna happen? Might take it out
Speaker 1: on me.
Speaker 6: But when all that ship blew up and exploded it, bro,
Speaker 6: I was like, oh shit, I'm with Mike. I thought
Speaker 6: the doll was chasing after the car or no, I
Speaker 6: was a spike I thought the doll was chasing after
Speaker 6: the car, and that I thought the dog blew up
Speaker 6: in the explosion, and then when I saw him running,
Speaker 6: I thought he was he got away. That's why they
Speaker 6: showed that scene. Yeah, it wasn't that, but it.
Speaker 1: Looked almost like there was a subliminal message there as
Speaker 1: far as Marty leaving a path of destruction wherever he goes.
Speaker 2: My mom just called me.
Speaker 1: My mom literally just called me, like, my mom literally
Speaker 1: just called me too much. Did y'all get that from that?
Speaker 1: When they seen all the destruction in the background, that
Speaker 1: was like an example of Marty and like how destructive
Speaker 1: he is to people.
Speaker 4: I didn't get that as subliminal, but yeah, me neither.
Speaker 1: That's a good point out though. Yeah, so till then
Speaker 1: he takes all the money my man have been missing
Speaker 1: for three days. He'd been to the home his wife
Speaker 1: and he don't get no money to the taxi driver
Speaker 1: with Tyler to create and he missed up his taxi.
Speaker 2: But crazy Marty gets everything that he needed and leaves
Speaker 2: him out of the dusk.
Speaker 1: Is he a shitty friend for that? Because man, when
Speaker 1: he was expecting Marty was like, oh, I thought you
Speaker 1: knew this was for me, Marty.
Speaker 2: It's kind of how he hit him up.
Speaker 1: Tyler should have whooped his ass.
Speaker 6: Bro Well, Tyler gave it to him because he was
Speaker 6: He was like, nah, half half of this is mine,
Speaker 6: but you know, he needed fifteen hundred dollars, and like
Speaker 6: a lot of other people, he that was his friend.
Speaker 6: So I guess he did believe in him, so he
Speaker 6: chose to give it to him. So I came not
Speaker 6: Marty for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't feel bad about it. I guess that
Speaker 1: that's why I'm knocking him.
Speaker 3: He didn't really seem like he felt bad about the
Speaker 3: fact that Tyler's only means of you know, money was
Speaker 3: fucked up.
Speaker 2: He was just like, all right, well, I gotta go
Speaker 2: play ping pong nigger, so good luck.
Speaker 4: I don't know that harshly. I think he just again,
Speaker 4: I think he was just so confident in himself that
Speaker 4: he'll get it back.
Speaker 2: I think confidence where I see like typical white boy arrogance.
Speaker 3: I think the yeah, I get you, it's both. But
Speaker 3: I think the issue with him was his arrogance. His
Speaker 3: arrogance is what made him not give two fucks about
Speaker 3: Tyler and his you know, his taxi getting sucked up
Speaker 3: in the fact that he can't beat his family. He's like,
Speaker 3: I gotta get to Japan to do what to play
Speaker 3: fucking ping pong? Bro, This man is driving a taxi
Speaker 3: and he's got children and you don't give two fucks.
Speaker 3: Y'all could have went and pulled another hustle to make
Speaker 3: sure that Colin got his money. He bring that ship up,
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, well, sorry, man, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: Marty's a piece of ship man that Yeah, that's give
Speaker 1: Why did they give him a black friend?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: That that and you know inclusion, they gave him a
Speaker 1: d I friend. Brother. Jews and the black people are similar.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah back then probably being Jewish that hard. It
Speaker 1: was a couple of name drops in the movie and
Speaker 1: the kind of went away, and.
Speaker 3: He had that one story where he was saying like
Speaker 3: I'm I'm Hitler's nightmare or something like that.
Speaker 1: Reporters. Yeah, all right. So after that he's gathered the
Speaker 1: money up, his baby mama lies and says her husband
Speaker 1: hits him, comes with the black guy defended up. That
Speaker 1: was crazy.
Speaker 2: What did he hit him?
Speaker 1: Hit him with? Heed? Like? For nothing was right the
Speaker 1: whole time he was right. The bro.
Speaker 2: He got he got cheated on and got punched.
Speaker 1: His wife and baby on him.
Speaker 2: It's like it came home like everything.
Speaker 1: He got cheated on, his girl, got pregnant, left, lied
Speaker 1: about him hitting her, then came home like everything was cool.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 6: What That's why they That's why they made for each other. Yep,
Speaker 6: he was sucking the house up and she knew he
Speaker 6: wasn't gonna do anything. That's why I feel like she
Speaker 6: went home like he wasn't gonna leave her.
Speaker 1: She knew that. Yeah, y'all.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It was Marty manipulating the fat dude. Yes, he was
Speaker 1: getting over one.
Speaker 3: Like the dad said, Marty manipulated every single person in
Speaker 3: this movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, except for Mike to get to this scene when
Speaker 1: he gets he gets a spanking with the ping pong
Speaker 1: pedal to get his trip to What you think about that?
Speaker 4: I was. I didn't think it was really gonna happen.
Speaker 4: I thought he was just gonna say. I thought he
Speaker 4: was just messing with him, But.
Speaker 5: Nah, when it actually happened, I was just like WHOA,
Speaker 5: Like that's all I'm saying, Huh.
Speaker 1: I was embarrassed for him second hand, embarraged. I was like, oh, marty. Damn.
Speaker 15: I thought it was.
Speaker 3: I thought it was just more of like, Bro, you
Speaker 3: care about ping pong this much? You lest some white
Speaker 3: man in front of his friends smack you in the
Speaker 3: ass like.
Speaker 2: Like anybody out here, anybody telling you to bend over
Speaker 2: and spread your cheeks.
Speaker 3: But it's unless you're a doctor and you're forty five
Speaker 3: getting the process exam.
Speaker 6: No you don't want to do it. Then you might say.
Speaker 2: The Lord called me today, He called me, Hey, I'm sorry, brom.
Speaker 1: Play with the seals again.
Speaker 2: I said, I ain't going to a rod and be
Speaker 2: like we going to China.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, because he had just fucked his wife again.
Speaker 6: They messed that up because they got caught in the
Speaker 6: damn park and he lost the jewel and he was straight.
Speaker 6: That's why he ended up there trying to get the
Speaker 6: damn money back.
Speaker 2: And she was That was a significant part. I did
Speaker 2: skip over.
Speaker 4: Ken.
Speaker 1: So the wife gives him the necklace she has one
Speaker 1: she gets won every twenty five. Well she has twenty
Speaker 1: five of them, she gets won every year for anniversary,
Speaker 1: very expensive diamond necklace. He has it right there, his
Speaker 1: grasses around his neck. Then he decides to eat her
Speaker 1: out in the park and the cops call what y'all
Speaker 1: think about that?
Speaker 2: I said this to jail.
Speaker 1: I was like I told you.
Speaker 7: I was like, we want them to stop. Now they're
Speaker 7: gonna come right back to it. I almost walked out, and.
Speaker 2: I thought that Nick I wasn't gonna say nothing, but
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 4: Is this necessary? Officers?
Speaker 13: Jesus?
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: I was like, bro.
Speaker 2: On show, Oh my god, my thing was?
Speaker 4: My thing?
Speaker 3: Was like because at first I thought, like when they
Speaker 3: were kissing under the bridge, like her husband or somebody
Speaker 3: was gonna come by and that you're gonna get caught
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: But the way he got caught, it was just like, bro,
Speaker 2: you didn't have like what made like you didn't have
Speaker 2: to do any of that. It was just unnecessary, like
Speaker 2: he overly wanted to just reward.
Speaker 3: Her forgiving him something that he was like, that's helping
Speaker 3: him out. It was like you could have gave her
Speaker 3: a kiss and left and you would have been good.
Speaker 1: Yeah what wait what do you? What do you?
Speaker 2: What do you so he shouldn't No, i'mderstanding, like why
Speaker 2: did you choose to do it immediately?
Speaker 1: Right then? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right then?
Speaker 4: And there?
Speaker 3: Like why didn't you just because he never thinks about
Speaker 3: stuff like it just seems like he's very impulsive, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, and that that that part didn't
Speaker 3: really surprise me that much. It was it was definitely stupid,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Like it was it was so open,
Speaker 3: there's no trees. It's just like you're just doing it right, That's.
Speaker 6: What i mean.
Speaker 4: Like like even.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like it just felt like
Speaker 3: it was just so dumb, like it was the it
Speaker 3: was just the reason for him to showcase like he had.
Speaker 3: He had all these opportunities to to get.
Speaker 2: His moment, but he fucked it all up, Like he's
Speaker 2: just the fuck up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just kind of the showcase how he lives
Speaker 3: his life in general. He just does whatever the fuck
Speaker 3: he wants and then pays for it or make somebody
Speaker 3: else end up paying for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So from there he goes he gets spanked. Guy says, well,
Speaker 1: Timothy Sallomy says to Kevin O'Leary's characters like, well, how
Speaker 1: do I know if I do this that you're going
Speaker 1: to honor it? And he was like, you don't, You're powerless.
Speaker 1: And I think that was the definition of him throughout
Speaker 1: this movie, like you really have no power just to
Speaker 1: talk a good game? Do I get the same thing? Yep?
Speaker 2: This whole movie is white Man Look Blue.
Speaker 1: It really is, but one hundred percent so final scenes,
Speaker 1: he finally agrees to it. He gets over to Japan,
Speaker 1: he plays the he's in line, he has to go
Speaker 1: to the back of the line just to wait, to
Speaker 1: make it more of an event to more people get there.
Speaker 1: Finally gets there, finally plays them. Did was his final scene?
Speaker 1: Everything that happened was the payoff? Worth it? Him playing
Speaker 1: in this event? Of course, he didn't play in the
Speaker 1: Japan finals because he couldn't register, which is what I
Speaker 1: was thinking the whole time. I was like, how he
Speaker 1: going to just show up and be in at an
Speaker 1: event that they have been playing for a while. But whatever,
Speaker 1: he wasn't registered, so he learned he couldn't play, and
Speaker 1: we have this final epic battle between him and the champion.
Speaker 1: Throughout that whole scenes of things that happened, what'd you
Speaker 1: guys take out the most?
Speaker 2: Was it satisfying? Did it pay off? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Not for me?
Speaker 6: You know, at they needed some slow motion, some special effects,
Speaker 6: some from challenges or something shit, you know, to sell
Speaker 6: it like I was just like, you know, and they
Speaker 6: skipped a lot of the point winning points, which is fine,
Speaker 6: But when he struck when he had the winning point
Speaker 6: and the way he just fell to the ground, I'm like,
Speaker 6: that's it. And that's when I was really the whole
Speaker 6: time the movie was dragged, but at that point, I
Speaker 6: was like, that's it. That's what people are loving about this.
Speaker 6: People really loved this movie, Like it didn't seem like
Speaker 6: he was really like, Oh, I finally did it. After
Speaker 6: all this this Turmola and everything I went went through,
Speaker 6: I finally getting spainked. I finally had my moment. I
Speaker 6: proved that he didn't even really prove that he's the
Speaker 6: best in the world. He just got his get back
Speaker 6: and he just fell to the ground and then that
Speaker 6: was it. And I'm like, that's it. So we spent
Speaker 6: all of this trunk of the movie for us to
Speaker 6: get here, and then this final match between them wasn't
Speaker 6: even exciting or an impactful.
Speaker 5: Hell no, that was for me because this dude was
Speaker 5: serious about his ping pong, like it really wasn't about
Speaker 5: anything else's ego, his pin like he seriously wanted to
Speaker 5: one of the fairest shots at this guy because you know,
Speaker 5: he was The thing that we didn't say earlier is
Speaker 5: that he felt like they were cheating because of the paddle.
Speaker 4: He felt like that, you know, he had an advantage
Speaker 4: because of that. But but yeah, to just kind of.
Speaker 5: Go against you know, the funders wishes of him losing.
Speaker 5: And you know, how did he tell him, dude, the dude,
Speaker 5: let's let's play out since he if he was dead.
Speaker 2: He went up to his ear. That's what I remember
Speaker 2: to play like.
Speaker 3: He was talking to somebody who may have translated, helped
Speaker 3: him translate for him, but it was like real, like
Speaker 3: he got up closer with that, nigga, I want to
Speaker 3: play you for real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like nobody language. It was just they was talking
Speaker 1: to him. I just didn't never understood that, like they
Speaker 1: just left the deaf thing right. Uh. But I do
Speaker 1: think it was unclimbacted, a very anti coimactic in the
Speaker 1: sense of how I keep compared to the smashing machine.
Speaker 1: At the end, he was just at the grocery store.
Speaker 1: It was like, bro, that's it, And it was just
Speaker 1: like that with this, It's like okay. So he went
Speaker 1: to an exhibition tournament and one like that that was
Speaker 1: the story. That's to Kim's point that that's what everybody
Speaker 1: is so high on. I thought there would be more
Speaker 1: of a climactic ending, more of a hero moment, or
Speaker 1: more of a winter moment or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: But it's just it didn't. It didn't stand.
Speaker 5: It was a weird place for him to be to
Speaker 5: have one, right, because he was in their country and
Speaker 5: beating their their top player. So it's gonna be anti
Speaker 5: climatic in the sense of like, no one's going to
Speaker 5: really be sharing for you in this moment. But it
Speaker 5: was almost just like a self Uh, it was just
Speaker 5: like a it was just for himself, like you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like it.
Speaker 3: Was a.
Speaker 1: Is. It reaffirmed what everyone had been saying this whole movie,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and the sense of this means everything
Speaker 1: to you, that too, but this means everything to you,
Speaker 1: it means nothing to anyone else, right, m right, And
Speaker 1: that that this kind of captivated that it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you went and this dude, like nobody's gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about this like this doesn't matter at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. It was a climax for him, but not
Speaker 4: for anyone else.
Speaker 2: Like it didn't.
Speaker 3: It didn't feel like that's what they were going. So
Speaker 3: it feels like they really thought.
Speaker 1: This was a rocky moment. The way they were filming it,
Speaker 1: the way they were going back and forth all of
Speaker 1: that ship.
Speaker 3: I think they thought that we gave a fuck about
Speaker 3: that because this ship was Yes, because this scene was
Speaker 3: so long.
Speaker 1: Really, if they were going.
Speaker 3: For what y'all are stuffing into this movie, I don't
Speaker 3: think the scene would have been this long, and they
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been trying to do all these.
Speaker 9: Cool trick shots of them ah pop PLoP. They were
Speaker 9: going off like we were really like, oh ship, yo,
Speaker 9: this is crazy, But it wasn't.
Speaker 4: It was boring as fun.
Speaker 1: No, I knew he was gonna win.
Speaker 2: Did any did anybody think he was not gonna.
Speaker 1: Wins in the foot by putting a tournament out there?
Speaker 1: Like I think us as viewers of it, we're looking
Speaker 1: at it like, okay, but this is still just an exhibition.
Speaker 1: He can't even play in the tournament, so we thought
Speaker 1: to Mike's point, I thought there would be more like
Speaker 1: you going to win? This means absolutely nothing to me.
Speaker 4: It reminded me of challenges and I know y'all didn't
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 5: I like challenges, and I know y'all, like I said,
Speaker 5: y'all didn't, But it was just like that the final
Speaker 5: scene of them going back and forth was not about us.
Speaker 5: It was about Zendaya or whatever. And heard watching them
Speaker 5: going back and forth, this is the same thing. This
Speaker 5: is more about him proving to me.
Speaker 1: I definitely got that.
Speaker 3: I definitely got, you know, I got that we're not
Speaker 3: supposed to like, we're not supposed to actually give a
Speaker 3: shit because it's really just about showing that he's.
Speaker 1: The one that cares.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: This scene and the way they filmed it, it came
Speaker 3: across like they really thought we were watching something interesting
Speaker 3: m hm. Because it was, like I said, it was
Speaker 3: just so long of a scene and they were going
Speaker 3: back and forth and doing all of this drama.
Speaker 2: And it was like, yeah, but y'all still just playing
Speaker 2: ping pong man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was intentional. I thought it was intentional. Like,
Speaker 5: I thought it was definitely intentional because it wasn't like
Speaker 5: a the cheering and the music at the end of
Speaker 5: it and all that. It was just him just being
Speaker 5: super super emotional about it. So it felt very like
Speaker 5: I said, you spent That's all I was saying earlier, Nick,
Speaker 5: you spent all this.
Speaker 4: Time with this guy just on this hide, thinking very
Speaker 4: highly of.
Speaker 5: Himself, and he's getting broken down, like all the way
Speaker 5: up until the end of the movie, like even in
Speaker 5: this moment, it's like no one cares, Like like no one,
Speaker 5: no one cares. You're talking about this thing throughout the
Speaker 5: whole movie that only you cared about it even.
Speaker 1: Supposed to get itself. He still got what he wants
Speaker 1: about it like that.
Speaker 2: I That's what I was, That's what I was going
Speaker 2: to got everything. He got everything he wanted. He wanted
Speaker 2: to be the big he wanted ping pong to be
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 1: He wanted to be the man at that thing. He
Speaker 1: wanted to catch on. That was his his overall mission
Speaker 1: was to be like famous.
Speaker 4: That he didn't even get the balls took.
Speaker 1: I took it.
Speaker 3: I took it as he he only one of those
Speaker 3: things that justified to other people that it's important because
Speaker 3: because those are the things that they can look at
Speaker 3: and say, like, oh, if you're on the weed these box,
Speaker 3: if you're making a lot of money, then what you're
Speaker 3: doing is important because he kept. That's why I felt
Speaker 3: like he related the sport to himself so much as that,
Speaker 3: because you believe in me, you should believe in this sport.
Speaker 2: And then and then, at the.
Speaker 3: Same time, he only wanted to He was focused on
Speaker 3: beating dude because now dude was number one. Dude got
Speaker 3: all the ways and he and once he beat dude,
Speaker 3: he accomplished it what he wanted to do because remember
Speaker 3: he eould talked to the white dude shark do it.
Speaker 3: He was like, I don't give a funk about everything
Speaker 3: that we promised as for me to get to this moment.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to do anything I could to get
Speaker 3: to this moment.
Speaker 2: I think he settled for that, though. That wasn't what
Speaker 2: he was looking for.
Speaker 1: He was looking to beat a Michael Jordan and ping
Speaker 1: pong and make ping pong as popular as he thought
Speaker 1: it should be.
Speaker 2: But he's settled for it. Like we've seen him get
Speaker 2: broke down.
Speaker 1: Here's my whole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I beat the best.
Speaker 3: But at no point was that breaking down mean anything.
Speaker 3: He was still this cocky, arrogant asshole. So it's it's
Speaker 3: not like we're really watching him get broken down because
Speaker 3: it's not like he was even realizing.
Speaker 2: I'm getting broken down.
Speaker 3: So when I say that he got what he wanted
Speaker 3: at the end of the realm, when he went into
Speaker 3: that match, he wanted to beat that Asian dude, and
Speaker 3: he got what he wanted.
Speaker 2: He beat the Asian guy.
Speaker 1: He fell to the ground all dramatically.
Speaker 3: Then he gets up and they're holding his arm up
Speaker 3: and yeah, nobody's cheering.
Speaker 1: And all that.
Speaker 3: So I definitely get you with that, Rod, But I
Speaker 3: guess I don't really get the point here because he's
Speaker 3: still He's still one.
Speaker 2: He beat the Asian dude.
Speaker 3: Yes, Ping Pong didn't become the biggest thing in the world,
Speaker 3: but he became the best guy.
Speaker 2: He beat the best guy.
Speaker 3: So it's like, sorry, one more second, I promise I'll
Speaker 3: shut up. When the movie ends and we hit stop,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out what message am I walking
Speaker 3: away from because it seems like they were trying to.
Speaker 1: Push one.
Speaker 5: They were they did they did this is this wasn't
Speaker 5: the moment. The moment was the actual like because he
Speaker 5: didn't have satisfaction.
Speaker 4: The baby, Yeah, the baby, it was the baby.
Speaker 5: The baby was that show like finally showed that he
Speaker 5: cared about something more than himself, which is why he
Speaker 5: broke down so much when he saw him.
Speaker 4: So it's like, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: But that's life was over.
Speaker 2: That's what I was saying. That's what I was saying.
Speaker 3: To my's point, whered like when you were saying like, oh,
Speaker 3: he got broken down, Like I don't really see him
Speaker 3: get broken down, because he was cocky throughout the whole
Speaker 3: movie and then he just because he had nothing else left.
Speaker 2: He went back home. He took care of the kid
Speaker 2: because he had no other thing, nothing else to do.
Speaker 1: Right, because.
Speaker 3: He couldn't get to the tournament, because he couldn't officially
Speaker 3: beat the guy, even though he beat the guy, because
Speaker 3: he was on the run from the law technically because
Speaker 3: of his uncle. It's just like, bro, all of my
Speaker 3: options are taken away. But as long as I can
Speaker 3: do this thing, that'll make it. That'll make everything right.
Speaker 3: Because if he didn't beat dude, he was gonna stay
Speaker 3: in Japan. He was stay in Japan until he got
Speaker 3: another opportunity to beat dude. He was not gonna come
Speaker 3: home until he beat dude.
Speaker 1: But see, I don't think we saw him getting broken
Speaker 1: down because we realized it as viewers but he didn't
Speaker 1: even realize it as a character even up until the end,
Speaker 1: Like he never realized that he like he was. He
Speaker 1: started settling for these things that he never thought he
Speaker 1: would have to settle for because he thought he was
Speaker 1: so good and that good would bring him accolades. He
Speaker 1: never got the accolades from being good. Like he just
Speaker 1: starts settling for these things because he was good at
Speaker 1: this one thing, and he never realized that he was
Speaker 1: doing it, but they showed it through the movie then,
Speaker 1: from the Globetrotters to like just to everything that he
Speaker 1: did was a settle for that first initial dream that
Speaker 1: he had with his uncle, and he told his uncle, like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a bet, like all the stars are
Speaker 1: lined up, I'm gonna be the biggest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: This thing is about to take off. And he settled
Speaker 1: for winning an exhibition match against the world's best, and
Speaker 1: then that was enough for him when he had such
Speaker 1: high hopes in the beginning. So, no, they never did
Speaker 1: it on screen intentionally, but I think as a viewer
Speaker 1: we were able to see it which way. I thought
Speaker 1: that conversation that he had with Gwyneth Paul Joe's character
Speaker 1: was really significant, and she was like, bro, like how
Speaker 1: you gonna eat tomorrow? How do you pay rent? Like
Speaker 1: these things didn't matter to regular everyday people. You're not
Speaker 1: even thinking about them because you're so consumed with ping pong.
Speaker 3: That's that's what That's what I was going with, Like,
Speaker 3: once again, this is a movie about ignoring being a
Speaker 3: good man because you want to be great at something,
Speaker 3: you know, and like it's the same thing that kind
Speaker 3: of similarly talked about in The Bear I think in
Speaker 3: season three or something like that, when he confronted his mentor.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm doing all these things ignoring people, you know,
Speaker 3: ignore my responsibilities because I'm trying to focus on this
Speaker 3: one thing. That's what he told old girl when he
Speaker 3: cuts chopped it down. He was like, I have one
Speaker 3: sole purpose, and that's to be the greatest ping pong whatever.
Speaker 3: And that means that regardless of this is my baby
Speaker 3: and not I'm not taking care of all true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, and he thought I skipped over the whole
Speaker 1: dog part because I felt like that.
Speaker 2: Was just that was hilarious.
Speaker 1: That was part of one of the movie. Was said
Speaker 1: that shit didn't make no sense, Like Mike, it never
Speaker 1: was going to work. From the moment that he thought
Speaker 1: of it was never going to work. But they wasted
Speaker 1: twenty minutes of the movie.
Speaker 2: On this where they went to that dude's house. Dude
Speaker 2: was looking through.
Speaker 1: The window like.
Speaker 2: That ship was he got blasted.
Speaker 1: Just being a white man. Look, I don't know how
Speaker 1: he didn't get shot. That guy was shot everybody. At
Speaker 1: the end, Yeah, it's it based on the true story.
Speaker 1: You know how that goes? All right?
Speaker 2: So at the end he's a Jewish, Honey, story was real.
Speaker 1: Oh you looked that up. That's what That's what I saw.
Speaker 2: Yes, any thoughts on the end baby and breaking down
Speaker 2: like like, honey, take you know this really showed that
Speaker 2: he I didn't get none of that either.
Speaker 3: I get there was no There was just no point
Speaker 3: that I ever got anything other than Marty Supreme is
Speaker 3: a piece of ship.
Speaker 1: Even at the end, him looking at that baby and crying.
Speaker 1: I was just like, bro, really, what what what?
Speaker 3: What am I supposed to take from this? Your asshole,
Speaker 3: You're you're a fucking ass and you knew that was
Speaker 3: your kid. You didn't give a fuck. But now at
Speaker 3: the end, I'm supposed to be like damn, he turned
Speaker 3: into a he turned into a good man because he
Speaker 3: cares about this little punk ass baby.
Speaker 1: No, no, fuck him and fuck that baby. I don't
Speaker 1: care about.
Speaker 2: That is his baby, that ain't his baby.
Speaker 1: The same way.
Speaker 6: That he was.
Speaker 2: He looked at him like, what the fuck is this.
Speaker 6: That I that.
Speaker 2: I way more than this mother.
Speaker 5: That I think the ending is what brought it home
Speaker 5: for me, Like you showed this guy throughout the whole movie,
Speaker 5: like quote unquote.
Speaker 4: Chasing the American Dream right like you, He's like relentless,
Speaker 4: like he's going hard at it and all of that.
Speaker 5: So I think you know people that do that, that
Speaker 5: get so consumed with their work and trying to achieve greatness,
Speaker 5: they start they start like losing focus on things that
Speaker 5: really matter in life, Like when it comes to relationships,
Speaker 5: it comes to just stuff that really matters, you know, family,
Speaker 5: all of that, Like you're so focused friends with with Tyler,
Speaker 5: like you just started.
Speaker 4: Just not paying attention to those things.
Speaker 5: And I think he had a realization even though I
Speaker 5: got this thing that I've been chasing for for so long,
Speaker 5: it didn't matter, you know what I'm saying. What matters
Speaker 5: is connections, real connections with people all of that. So
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people can relate to that story.
Speaker 5: I mean, because everybody's always working so hard to chase something.
Speaker 5: So that's what I got from the last scene when
Speaker 5: you see him, you know, break down so much looking
Speaker 5: at the Baby's finally kind of Okay, this is what.
Speaker 1: Life is about.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: I guess I just don't get it from this. I
Speaker 3: got from it at the end when he's looking at
Speaker 3: that baby. What I got was, Okay, to japand you
Speaker 3: beat the guy that you wanted to beat.
Speaker 1: You came back.
Speaker 3: Now you don't have anything, so you're going back to
Speaker 3: the only thing you have left, which is.
Speaker 2: This woman who was cheating on her man with you.
Speaker 2: I never got that.
Speaker 3: He realized, oh this is what matters, or they didn't.
Speaker 3: They didn't bring that home for me at all. Him
Speaker 3: going in there and crying because he saw the baby.
Speaker 1: It was like, that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They was trying to They tried to redeem his character
Speaker 3: at the end. That's what they try to do. And
Speaker 3: to me, it was like, we have two hours and
Speaker 3: twenty nine minutes of him being a piece of shit
Speaker 3: and just trying to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because he got a he.
Speaker 3: Especially where there's no reason we would even believe that
Speaker 3: he's going to raise this baby. He could be crying
Speaker 3: because he's like, damn, I'm about to bounce, and I
Speaker 3: really feel bad about this, but I'm still about.
Speaker 4: To do it.
Speaker 3: Like we don't get anything from at least I didn't
Speaker 3: get anything from that scene.
Speaker 5: I just feel like that's why they put so much
Speaker 5: emphasis on him being an asshole. It's just being kind
Speaker 5: of like the the bad guy this this movie.
Speaker 4: Because Yeah, I just think a lot of people can
Speaker 4: relate to chasing after this.
Speaker 1: Thing and that, you know, a lot of things.
Speaker 3: If he was in the middle of that pingng match
Speaker 3: and he got a phone call cell phones. But if
Speaker 3: if somehow he got a phone call and they were like, yo,
Speaker 3: so and so was in the hospital. She's about to
Speaker 3: give birth, and he left the ping pong match and
Speaker 3: flew home to be there for the girl and the baby.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1: So he realized what was important.
Speaker 3: Instead, he knew she was fucked up, knew she was
Speaker 3: about to have a baby. He still went to the
Speaker 3: band beat the dude, and then he flew back and
Speaker 3: was like, let.
Speaker 1: Me go see what she's up to. Oh, you saw
Speaker 1: in the hospital, cool like broke, Come on, thank you Mike, Mike.
Speaker 1: He dropped her off at the hospital and left right
Speaker 1: the whole.
Speaker 2: The whole movie. He ignoring the fact that she's pregnant.
Speaker 2: But do you note.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden he's just a serial killer, Mike
Speaker 3: cry because he has a baby.
Speaker 4: But even if that's the case.
Speaker 5: Two, I like that as well, right, because it could
Speaker 5: tell it leaves the viewer like like, obviously we're split.
Speaker 5: We split here because one viewer can look at it
Speaker 5: as sorrow, right when somebody can look at it it's like,
Speaker 5: damn man, like I am not able to to achieve
Speaker 5: these dreams.
Speaker 4: Now I got this baby.
Speaker 1: I gotta raise.
Speaker 4: You can look at it that way.
Speaker 5: I think it's just there on the mindset of the
Speaker 5: person and how they view life or whatever. Like it's
Speaker 5: like kind of glass half empty, glass half full. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: are you having a realization. Are you finally having a
Speaker 5: realization that you know, life is more than just achieving
Speaker 5: these dreams and it's about family and things like that,
Speaker 5: or are you just upon him?
Speaker 4: Now I got to raise the you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: And I'm sad about it. It could go either way.
Speaker 15: Huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with Mike. He never showed us that he
Speaker 1: was gonna be there, Like, I don't know that tomorrow.
Speaker 1: He ain't off somewhere else trying to do Why would
Speaker 1: he want to go see the baby?
Speaker 4: Like, why would he want to go see it?
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm here, I check him out.
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just yeah, it might be.
Speaker 2: Friends for a long time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, eight years old. I agree. I agree with
Speaker 1: Mike in the sense of like that they needed to
Speaker 1: be like this is a perfect instance where they then
Speaker 1: this happened, like if they had the words come up
Speaker 1: and Marty went on to become this and this that
Speaker 1: what I show him working in the shooting or as
Speaker 1: the manager. I needed something to reaffirm that him crying
Speaker 1: for that baby meant he was turning the new league,
Speaker 1: because again, all we know is he left there to
Speaker 1: somebody else play ping pong and trying to make it
Speaker 1: to the tournament in India next year. Let's all we know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I think it's cool that you don't need like.
Speaker 1: I like that they left it ambiguous.
Speaker 3: But the fact that left an ambiguous makes me look
Speaker 3: at this like Okay, I don't really know what I'm
Speaker 3: supposed to take from this. He's still a piece of ship.
Speaker 3: But right, that isn't the person? So you so you
Speaker 3: so Spike, Yes.
Speaker 1: So Spike.
Speaker 4: You really think he'll be self destructive like that all
Speaker 4: over again, get embarrassed in different.
Speaker 2: As a person. I think that's to his core.
Speaker 1: And I think this movie showed us that, Like, if
Speaker 1: you're willing to get paddled by a grown man in
Speaker 1: front of his friends to go play an exhibition ping
Speaker 1: pong match in hopes that you can play the real
Speaker 1: ping pong matches you want to play, that's that's that's
Speaker 1: your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you ain't. You ain't redeeming from that. He
Speaker 2: gonna be that form.
Speaker 4: Again, that's the case.
Speaker 5: I still like it because it shows that people won't
Speaker 5: learn from their mistakes, or can show people that we
Speaker 5: will learn mistakes.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's a good point.
Speaker 3: Any last thoughts, this is this is a blockbuster hit though,
Speaker 3: like this is I think people he may he may
Speaker 3: get his oscar.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a bit.
Speaker 2: That's I think that's the I think this.
Speaker 3: Ah, But I'm just saying like this is a huge
Speaker 3: I think this is twenty four's biggest movie, like like
Speaker 3: box office, I think so, I think it beat what
Speaker 3: was the last one?
Speaker 2: Everything everywhere, all that once.
Speaker 1: I think it beat that.
Speaker 3: No I signed out, I saw anything with a cute
Speaker 3: white boy, and it's a subject.
Speaker 1: It's gonna every time.
Speaker 2: You're right?
Speaker 1: But yeah, right, would you say he's an A lister now?
Speaker 1: I think if he's not, he's right there. If he's not,
Speaker 1: he's right the top name. He probably the top name
Speaker 1: in Hollywood.
Speaker 4: He's getting top dollar.
Speaker 2: He has to be at this point, like he's above
Speaker 2: Michael B.
Speaker 5: Jordan's He's I think they're probably here depending like like
Speaker 5: because yeah, yeah, I think they're about the same.
Speaker 1: Above Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2: Would you Michael Jordan's in this role? No, no fucking way, no,
Speaker 2: honkey ball. That's That's what I'm saying. Ut, Like, as
Speaker 2: much as I would to agree with you, I don't know.
Speaker 4: You can't play too though that Michael B.
Speaker 3: Can.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, timpthy can be.
Speaker 1: Crazy very close. So yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: Here one hundred and five million globally is and everything
Speaker 3: everyone was one hundred and forty million globally.
Speaker 2: It's going to pass. It's going to pass it.
Speaker 1: So it's going to pass it.
Speaker 4: So I said, yeah, right, right right, because it is
Speaker 4: because right now everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey Nick, you missed that boy?
Speaker 7: What is.
Speaker 1: Ill?
Speaker 2: Wait till late.
Speaker 1: I'll wait till late. All right. This has been our
Speaker 1: This has been our review of the movie What's your Name?
Speaker 1: This again, Martin? You like it?
Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty five, This movie old.
Speaker 4: This my last year.
Speaker 2: Second review of Marty Supreme.
Speaker 1: We are out peace seez oh shoot