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Speaker 1: With the most awesomest Carl Nelson Show, exacting with the

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Speaker 2: Right Rockets and Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting

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Speaker 2: you a week with us. Also thank you for joining

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Speaker 2: us on this King Day twenty twenty five. Later, two

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Speaker 2: of doctor King's contemporaries, the Reverend Doctor Smith and also

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Speaker 2: Canon lended Hammer Senior, will share with us doctor King's

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Speaker 2: adopted Dun's violence stance and how Doctor King made that

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Speaker 2: the centerpiece of the civil rights struggle before Doctor King's allies.

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Speaker 2: Though brother said he could come home from the Newbian

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Speaker 2: Leadership show old well update that's on his investigation answer

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Speaker 2: doctor King's assassination, but to get us started, Award winning

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Speaker 2: author and illustrator Carol Boston Wedford and her son will

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Speaker 2: check in, but first on the King there, we got

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Speaker 2: to get Kevin reopen the classroom doors.

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Speaker 3: Grand Rising, Kevin, Everybody's.

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Speaker 2: I love that you listen to what Kevin sir. Regardless

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Speaker 2: of who you are, what you are today, you know

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Speaker 2: that it's doctor King's birthday. It doesn't matter if you

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Speaker 2: just got here yesterday, if you just came off the moon,

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Speaker 2: if you hate us and you hate Doctor King and

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Speaker 2: hate black people recognized.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: That's the great part about that.

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Speaker 5: Look, no matter what you believe in, no matter what

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Speaker 5: said right ah, you sit on all of that.

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Speaker 1: You know, no matter what is going on.

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Speaker 5: If this is a day of service, the day to

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Speaker 5: remember greatness, person, I tell you, man talking about the

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Speaker 5: late great doctor Martin Luther King's junior.

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Speaker 1: Man, I tell you, events are.

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Speaker 5: Going on all over the place where raids and speeches

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Speaker 5: and church doors are open and all of that. And

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Speaker 5: so is the door to the Carl Nelson Morning Show University.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That door is open to how you feeling.

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Speaker 2: Girl, I'm still learning, Kevin. I know we're gonna learn

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Speaker 2: a lot today, especially from our last guest. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: I have mentioned yes, So we will keep that a secret.

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Speaker 2: So the folks who really into the programmer into the scholarship,

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Speaker 2: we'll keep on listening. And if they don't, they'll miss

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Speaker 2: a surprise. So I don't measure the name all right, Then.

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Speaker 5: We'll keep that in the then the top secret vault

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Speaker 5: there categorizing it. Hey, look, it's a it's a lot

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Speaker 5: going on, but let's start real quickly with this letter man.

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Speaker 5: The Time magazine says, Trump says no need to think

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Speaker 5: purely of peace. In a letter that he sent to

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to say about that.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is sent as ominous not anonymous, ominous warning

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Speaker 5: to the Prime Minister of Norway, suggesting that war could

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Speaker 5: be on the table in his pursuit of Greenland, an

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Speaker 5: autonomous territory of the Kingdom of Denmark. In that letter

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Speaker 5: that he shared Sunday with TBS journalist Nick Sheffern, he

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Speaker 5: warned that after not winning last year's Nobel Prize for

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: Kron Yeah, that's interesting, Kevin in the letter, because he

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Speaker 2: Thinker Pince Pearli has to being refused the Nobel Peace Prize,

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Speaker 2: and he sends this letter to UH to being president

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Speaker 2: of Norway and if they don't have anything to this,

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Speaker 2: it's not a government that don't bail Peace prize is

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Speaker 2: of Norway. So this is the Rwegians are like, dude,

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Speaker 2: don't you understand you know this is this has nothing

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Speaker 2: it's your better set about not getting the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Speaker 2: They didn't award your Nobel Peace Prize and you can

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Speaker 2: use us an excuse to invade Greenland. They will go ahead.

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Speaker 2: And now what has happened Kevin, NATO, the rest of

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Speaker 5: And here's the quote from the letter. So this is

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Speaker 2: Man right, he's saying that Russia the Russian threat to Greenland.

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Speaker 2: And you know with him and put in the Palace,

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Speaker 2: You know, there's an excuse to going to Greenland. Their

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Speaker 2: Master Spye.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right exactly.

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Speaker 5: And Carl, this all fulfills the prophecy what is it

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Speaker 5: in Isaiah sixty and it talks about where after four

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Speaker 5: hundred years of slavery, the black people will finally be

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Speaker 5: freed and the leader will be like Pharaoh. And Trump

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Speaker 5: and that's what's going on. The system is imploding. It

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Speaker 5: seems that system of white supremacy is imploding. And it's based,

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Speaker 1: That's how crazy this seems. You know.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the Biby coal scalars have been saying

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Speaker 2: that whole thing about Israel. There was creating forty eight

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: In other news, the Justice Department said they're not investigating

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Speaker 2: What he said about that, no surprise here, you know,

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Speaker 2: federalized investigative the shooting this woman. But it's still causing

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Speaker 2: They're still protesting out there nightly day, I should say,

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Speaker 2: they're just a protesting about Yeah, so it's not going

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Speaker 1: But I studied in the school of Law and Order,

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Speaker 5: I studied from Law and Order about law and when

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Speaker 1: To be an investigation.

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Speaker 5: The federal officials said that the officer acted in self defense,

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Speaker 5: and they said the lady driving the hunt who was

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Speaker 2: You suppoth some sort of Well, that's why they closed

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Speaker 5: So the US at Journey Joseph Thompson said that there's

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Speaker 1: To go, okay, are you okay? How many fingers am

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 1: Are you psychologically fine with that?

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, it just seems so heartless.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but that's the way it is. Carl

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Speaker 5: on the nineteenth of January, and we got your guests

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks Kevin, Thank you, Kevin, thank you. Keeping update

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Speaker 2: bring it our guest, an award winning offer and illustrator

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Speaker 2: Carol Weatherford Carol weather Kyle Boston with for excuse me, Carol,

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Speaker 2: Happy King day two.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot.

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Speaker 2: Did you got your son Jeffrey with you as.

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Speaker 7: Well as he's on the line.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, good, Well tell you know, and being King there,

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about the project that

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Speaker 2: you did for our children. Your book Be a King,

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Speaker 2: Doctor mans a King's Dream and you how did that

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Speaker 6: That was a solo project that I did, I think

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Speaker 6: before Jeffrey and I began collaborating. We started collaborating in

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Speaker 6: twenty sixteen. Be a King was actually pitched to me.

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Speaker 7: As an idea from an editor.

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Speaker 6: They wanted me to write a book about King that

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Speaker 6: was not necessarily a biography, and I did, and as

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Speaker 6: luck would have it, that particular editor didn't like it,

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Speaker 6: but another editor did so it was published with illustrations

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Speaker 8: And what it does it.

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Speaker 6: Takes King's quote about service and those kids, how they

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Speaker 2: Does it go really deep into mind King and the fight,

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Speaker 8: Absolutely so post, thanks thank you for having us. Secondly,

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Speaker 2: To draw as being drawing, Jeff. When it comes to characters,

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Speaker 8: I do both the mix of both. One thing that

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Speaker 1: Gotcha.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two after the top day our family, Happy King

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Speaker 6: I have done some books on unsung women of the

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Speaker 6: And that I think that book was perhaps the hardest

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Speaker 9: But there are many many unsu women who work behind.

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Speaker 6: Right, Well, this book is suitable for preschool through you know,

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Speaker 9: Is that the leader who has leading, the preacher, issues

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Speaker 2: Said the twenty six after the top of their family,

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Speaker 9: Everybody can be can be great.

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Speaker 6: Because everybody can serve. You don't have to have a

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Speaker 9: And that's a quote from Martin Luther King, Jr. And

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Speaker 6: Serve, you know, That's what I want kids to take away.

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Speaker 6: You know, even as a child, you can serve and

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking about how people who don't know

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Speaker 2: about Doctor King King, people like ourselves, our children and

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Speaker 2: grandchildren who don't know about Doctor King, could how this

445
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Speaker 2: book could help. And I'm just wondering, do you think

446
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Speaker 2: people because other folks, I'm talking my white Foecia Asians

447
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Speaker 2: in town, other groups other than black people, and some

448
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Speaker 2: black people are not going to tell what children about

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Speaker 2: Doctor King. And there's not because they you know, they

450
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Speaker 2: don't want you becos married them don't know a lot

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Speaker 2: about Doctor King who several generations were removed. But do

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Speaker 2: you think white kids or Hispanic kids, or people who

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Speaker 2: you know, just English as a second language, just coming here,

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Speaker 2: we'd learn a lot from Why are we celebrating today

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Speaker 2: as on holiday by reading this book?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Definitely.

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Speaker 6: In addition to the text from the entry that you

459
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Speaker 6: know that has the refrain you can be a King

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Speaker 6: and then you know kind of miss up different uh,

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Speaker 6: episodes from his life. There's an authors note that goes into.

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Speaker 9: More biographical detail about him.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, they'll be able.

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Speaker 6: To they'll definitely go walk away knowing more about doctor King.

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Speaker 7: Than before they read the book.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, there's the authors and they're cover it covers

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Speaker 9: the ground that the visuals cover in the book.

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Speaker 6: And you know it's not it's not as inspirational. Uh,

469
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Speaker 6: the book is meant to be inspirational, but that aufice

470
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Speaker 6: note is more documentary, so it's you know, more like

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Speaker 6: both to death biography. In fact, the authice note is

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Speaker 6: longer than the longer than the tanks, which is sometimes

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Speaker 6: the case with the children's book.

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Speaker 2: Right thirty minutes of the top of a Family just

475
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Speaker 2: getting up, I guess our award winning author illustrated Carol

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Speaker 2: Weather Boston with her and her son Jeff the Weather

477
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Speaker 2: for the rhythmim and discussing some of the books that

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Speaker 2: she's written about the civil rights movements. A particular, the

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Speaker 2: one about doctor King is called be a King, Doctor

480
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Speaker 2: Brother King's Dream and you also, Jeff is an illustrated. Jeff,

481
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Speaker 2: when did you start to getting the illustration business. Was

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Speaker 2: it something to how mom or were you? Did she

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Speaker 2: nudge you that way, push you that way, or how

484
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Speaker 2: did that work out?

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Speaker 8: I like to think that she planned it out. So

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Speaker 8: it was a mass opportunity, Yes, opportunity meeting readiness. So

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Speaker 8: when I was in.

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Speaker 13: My scene here in.

489
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Speaker 8: Undergrad I got the opportunity to illustrate one of her

490
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Speaker 8: manuscripts by the name of You Can Fly About the

491
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Speaker 8: Test TV Airmen, you know, our Black heroes during World

492
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Speaker 8: War Two, which we were the first African American pilots

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Speaker 8: allowed to fly in the military. And that was my

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Speaker 8: first book. It actually took some time to come out

495
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Speaker 8: because the first publisher got swallowed up by Amazon, and

496
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Speaker 8: then Simon and Schuster picked the book up, and during

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Speaker 8: my final year in graduate school at Howard University the

498
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Speaker 8: book was released. And that was another time I was

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Speaker 8: supposed to be looking for a quote unquote normal job

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Speaker 8: and I couldn't tell them, Well, we got invited to

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Speaker 8: the we invited to an international tour in three countries

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Speaker 8: in Africa in twenty sixteen, and I couldn't tell my

503
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Speaker 8: boss that, yeah, I know, you just hired me, but

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Speaker 8: I'm going to be going on a few weeks for

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Speaker 8: outside of the country, so I'm going to need those

506
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Speaker 8: days off. So from there, I just jumped headfirst into

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Speaker 8: the illustration world.

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Speaker 2: And a good question for you, Jeff, at what point

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Speaker 2: did you realize that Mom is a big deal, that

510
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Speaker 2: Mom is a serious player, and when he comes to

511
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Speaker 2: writing children's but the mom is famous. At what point

512
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Speaker 2: did in your life did you realize that.

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Speaker 8: I don't know. They considered myself a frog in a

514
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Speaker 8: pot of water. If you've ever heard the analogy that

515
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Speaker 8: a frog won't pop out of a plot of water

516
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Speaker 8: when you heat it up slowly. So I've been watching

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Speaker 8: my mom heat up slowly my entire life. It wasn't

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Speaker 8: until I really got deep deeper into the industry that

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Speaker 8: I began to realize how big of a deal quote

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Speaker 8: unquote she is when I see people's reactions to just

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Speaker 8: being in her presence, so I would say, in my

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Speaker 8: in my older years. Once I actually started to go

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Speaker 8: to different events with her across the United States and beyond.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that twenty eight away from the

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Speaker 2: top of the family, and he's absolutely correct. Carol Boston

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Speaker 2: Weatherfas she said, the top of the game when he

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Speaker 2: comes to producing children's books. She's like I told her

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Speaker 2: before us, it's like Michael Jordanan, you know, she's run

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Speaker 2: so many awards with doing it. We have so many

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Speaker 2: talented people and we like to, you know, we like

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Speaker 2: to we like to showcase them, especially coming up next month,

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Speaker 2: and she's gonna You're going to be there right at

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Speaker 2: the Children's Book Fair in Philly.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we'll both be there the African American Children's Book

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Speaker 6: Fair UH February to seventh, Saturday, February seventh, from one

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Speaker 6: to four pm at the Pennsylvania Convention Center.

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Speaker 7: It's a free event that.

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Speaker 6: Attracts thousands of families, you know, moms, dads, children, educators,

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Speaker 6: to buy African American children's books and.

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Speaker 7: To meet the book creators. And it's it's kind of

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Speaker 7: like a family reunion because not.

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Speaker 6: Only will I be there with my son Jeffrey, but

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Speaker 6: I'll be there with many other illustrators with whom I've worked.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think of the illustrators there, I've probably

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Speaker 6: worked with ten or fifteen.

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Speaker 7: Of them, So it'll be it's really like a family

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Speaker 7: reunion for black creators.

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Speaker 6: And it's an event that promotes literacy and promotes literacy

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Speaker 6: as freedom.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha. We'll give you more information before Carol and Jeff

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Speaker 2: leave us this morning. Karl, The question I have for you, so,

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Speaker 2: so when you're doing these books, what do you how

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Speaker 2: do you you know? What's the process when you sit

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Speaker 2: down and say, Okay, I'm going to do a book,

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Speaker 2: whether it be on doctor King or any of the

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Speaker 2: other lunaries that you've done books on, how do you

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Speaker 2: know come about? What's your friend of reference? And what

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Speaker 2: do you go? Do you study up and or do

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Speaker 2: you just start thinking about it? You hit a people

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Speaker 2: and ask them for ideas? How do you work that out?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 9: People give me ideas without my even asking.

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Speaker 13: You know, when I'm on the road.

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Speaker 7: People I've got a book idea. People email me I've

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Speaker 7: got a book idea.

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Speaker 6: You should and I just kind of put the ideas

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Speaker 6: in my file. Sometimes I do pursue the ideas that

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Speaker 6: obviously I can't pursue every idea that someone else gives me.

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Speaker 6: But when I do come up with an idea for

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Speaker 6: a project I want to pursue. If it's nonfiction, I

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Speaker 6: always begin with research and sometimes with my nonfiction projects.

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Speaker 6: Maybe I've already read something that piques my interests, or

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Speaker 6: I've done some travels to a historic site or to

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Speaker 6: a museum that has enlightened me about a topic, and

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Speaker 6: I think it's worthy of.

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Speaker 7: Presenting that topic in a children's book.

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Speaker 6: So, but I always start with research if I'm writing

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Speaker 6: about a historical topic.

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Speaker 2: Is there a difference to account and you're writing for

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Speaker 2: adults and writing for children.

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the word count is going to be different.

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Speaker 6: And I don't write for adults very much anymore. I've

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Speaker 6: been I've been a columnist, a newspaper columnist as journalist,

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Speaker 6: and I wrote poetry for adults prior to writing for children.

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Speaker 6: But I write almost, you know, exclusively for young people nowadays.

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Speaker 6: Jeffrey Writes does write do some writing for adults. He's

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Speaker 6: a he's a rapper as well, and he didn't mention

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Speaker 6: that he's he's an author. We co authored a book

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Speaker 6: called Wrap It Up, which also might be appropriate for

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Speaker 6: the King holiday, not because King Rap, but because rap

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Speaker 6: also grew out of the oral tradition and king was

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Speaker 6: an king was you know, most it was a famous orator,

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Speaker 6: one of the you know the best orators that our

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Speaker 6: country ever produced, and wrap it up actually encourages kids

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Speaker 6: to to be public speakers. So you know, the rap

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Speaker 6: may not seem like it's relevant to doctor King, but

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Speaker 6: it is because it gives a voice to young people.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm going with, Jeff, So tell us about that,

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Speaker 2: Jeff at twenty five away from the top day, what

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Speaker 2: made you decide to put it in a genre that

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Speaker 2: young people can recognize and enjoy as well?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely appreciate the question. So when I was in my

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Speaker 8: undergraduate in college, I actually started doing hip hop workshops.

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Speaker 8: My first one was actually in the city that I

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Speaker 8: am currently living in, n Fayetteville, North Carolina. The home

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Speaker 8: of North Carolina is j Cole and I did want

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Speaker 8: it Faye Little State. And I realized at that point

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Speaker 8: that there are stories a lot of the kids. They

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Speaker 8: were voicing experience that they had, They were they were heavy.

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Speaker 8: You know, we as human beings, we all go through

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Speaker 8: traumas and life. In the African American community, hip hop,

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Speaker 8: if you just music, if you listen to the words

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Speaker 8: that these rappers are speaking, MC they're speaking, you know,

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Speaker 8: it's a therapeutic experience for them. You know, they they

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Speaker 8: don't talk about these things for just no reason. It's

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Speaker 8: on their mind. And for me, I've realized that hip

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Speaker 8: hop is a form of human allowing your pain to

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Speaker 8: give you power instead of holding it in and you

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Speaker 8: know it being like acid inside of the beaker and

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Speaker 8: slowly eating away at the insides of you.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 8: So, aside from that, I also realized that there's been

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Speaker 8: a drop in literacy rates for kids, and as I

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Speaker 8: use hip hop to show them that reading can be fun,

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Speaker 8: that writing can be fun, then it can be used

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Speaker 8: as a vehicle for expression. And that I also realized

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Speaker 8: that in today's the scope of politics.

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Speaker 2: Right there, Jam and Grand Rising Family, Unhappy King to

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Speaker 2: a twenty twenty five for you, hope you're celebrated Martin

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Speaker 2: Luther King, Juna's birthday, and you know, we've got to

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Speaker 2: show the folks, the other folks who don't know anything

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Speaker 2: about doctor King, but we've got to celebrate or commemorate

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Speaker 2: it in the correct way. It's not a day off,

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Speaker 2: it's a day on for us. So we got to

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Speaker 2: set an example. Before we go back to our guests,

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Speaker 2: the Carol Weather, Boston Weatherland and Jeff Weather for their

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Speaker 2: illustrators and primarily discussing her book be a King, Doctor

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Speaker 2: Martin the King's Dream and Youth. This is a book

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Speaker 2: for our children. We got it off for our condolences

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Speaker 2: and also uh to the family and friends of doctor

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00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: Charles Finch the thirties, a medical doctor did a lot

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Speaker 2: of work on the Nile Valley and chematologist African origin

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Speaker 2: of Christianity. His work is just incredible that he's done,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Finch and made his transition on I think it

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Speaker 2: was on Saturday Ors and over the weekend he made

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Speaker 2: his transition doctor King. Uh, Doctor King. Doctor Finch who

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Speaker 2: was a medical doctor went to Yale University undergraduate also

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Speaker 2: also was as I mentioned that Chematology also met Shaikan.

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Speaker 2: He met shake On doctor Shape on the shot and

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Speaker 2: into cars Senegal. It's one of the few perssions that

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Speaker 2: have lived is still shake on the shop and into

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Speaker 2: cars Senegal. It's one of the few perssions that have lived.

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Speaker 2: Has still meant that multi talented individual coming out of

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Speaker 2: our community. So but he passed away at age of

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Speaker 2: seventy seven. Also, we got to say a condolences to

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Speaker 2: another person on LA brother Sonny Williams, well known in

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Speaker 2: the LA community. Integral part of the Cajun Lates family

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Speaker 2: radio family and all people in La knew and because

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Speaker 2: he had multitalented, multi tax person anything to the radio decision,

661
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Speaker 2: he was always there. So again a condoleces to a

662
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Speaker 2: family of friends of the Sonny Williams and also doctor

663
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Speaker 2: Charles Finch. Sonny Williams, by the way, was seventy five.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, coming up with later this morning, we're

665
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Speaker 2: gonna speak with We're going to continue our theme about

666
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Speaker 2: Doctor King. We're going to speak of two of Doctor

667
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: King's contemporary, doctor Paul Smith, and also Canon Leonard Hamley,

668
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: a senior, will be with us. Also brother if he

669
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Speaker 2: could come home from the Newbian Leadership Circle. He's been

670
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: investigating Doctor Kings Assassin Nation. He's going to give us

671
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: an update. And later this week you're going to hear

672
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Speaker 2: from Professor Mannu and Penn out of Contracst Tokajia in

673
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Speaker 2: California and African Professor Afrocology professor she said, doctor No

674
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Speaker 2: doubleill join us. Also the founder of the Black Laws

675
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: for Justice, Attorney the Leaves Shabbaz and also Agrio out

676
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: of Atlanta. Doctor Chi k Akol will be here. So

677
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: if you are in Baltimore. Make sure you keep your

678
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Speaker 2: radied a lot ting tight on ten ten WLB or

679
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Speaker 2: if you're in the DMV era, we're on fourteen fifteen

680
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Speaker 2: w OL. All right, let's go back to Carol and

681
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Speaker 2: Jeff Carol Mother, Jeff so so, Jeff, I'll let you

682
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Speaker 2: finish your thought. Do you tell us how you integrate

683
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Speaker 2: a hip hop intoto some of the product projects that

684
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Speaker 2: you're working on.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely? Absolutely, So what I was saying before the break,

686
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Speaker 8: we well, I realized that in any classroom, those classrooms

687
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 8: across America, you could ask them to name ten politicians

688
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 8: and they might be able to name two or three,

689
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 8: you know, on a good day, But if you ask

690
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 8: them to name their favorite musicians, they're going to rid

691
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 8: them off like the names of their best friends. And

692
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Speaker 8: then as you look at the catalog of hip hop,

693
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Speaker 8: unless you know you are truly a treasure seeker in

694
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Speaker 8: the in the underground hip hop realm, you're not going

695
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Speaker 8: to find many mainstream artists that are talking about positive things,

696
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Speaker 8: that are speaking about education. So I felt like it

697
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 8: was up to me, you know, be the change you

698
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 8: want to see energy in order to fill that position

699
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Speaker 8: and provide a positive hip hop influence.

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Speaker 14: For the youth.

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Speaker 2: All right, And Carol, I got a question. Somebody wouldn't

702
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Speaker 2: know if your book is available at Sankofa Books in Washington,

703
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Speaker 2: d C.

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Speaker 7: Many of my books are. I can't say whether.

705
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 6: Be a King is in the store right now, but

706
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 6: I mean it's seasonal, so you know.

707
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Speaker 7: It probably is.

708
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Speaker 6: I have uh we we have done an appearance at

709
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Speaker 6: uh we We've done book.

710
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 7: Signings and appearances for Sankofa.

711
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 8: So they do sell our.

712
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 6: Book books and if they don't have it in stock,

713
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 6: they can certainly get it.

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Speaker 2: All right, family interesting us. I guess there's Carol Boston

715
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Speaker 2: Weatherford along with the son Jeff of Wetherford on This

716
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Speaker 2: King Day twenty twenty five, at discussion her book Be

717
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Speaker 2: a King, Doctor Marluther King's Dream and you and let's

718
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Speaker 2: go back for the folks who are on the late train, Karl,

719
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Speaker 2: what is it? How did you decide what you're going

720
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Speaker 2: to pull? Because you know, doctor King has a large reservoir,

721
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Speaker 2: you know of information that we could talk about for days,

722
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Speaker 2: you know, not just what he said in speeches or

723
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Speaker 2: who are interactive and all that. So what how did

724
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Speaker 2: you decide what's appropriate for this book for children, and

725
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Speaker 2: whatsnot Well.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to cover, you know, his entire life, but

727
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Speaker 6: not necessarily tell the story.

728
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 7: I wanted it to be, you know, evocative, so, you know,

729
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 7: cover his time at.

730
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Speaker 6: More House, when he met his wife, a couple of

731
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Speaker 6: his formative in the early childhood experiences, the Montgomery bus boycott,

732
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Speaker 6: the march on Washington. Let's see what else, and then

733
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Speaker 6: we get to you know, the Mountaintop Speech, the some

734
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Speaker 6: of to Montgomery March.

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Speaker 7: You know, all the you know, all the themes that

736
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Speaker 7: you might expect to see in a biography of king

737
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Speaker 7: are in this book. You know, the highlights of his career.

738
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Speaker 7: I don't.

739
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Speaker 6: I don't show him in Birmingham jail. And that was

740
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Speaker 6: not you know, that wasn't a conscious omission or anything.

741
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Speaker 6: It's just, you know, you just can't cover everything in

742
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Speaker 6: a thirty two page picture book.

743
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Speaker 7: So I chose experiences that.

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Speaker 6: I thought would connect with the theme of you can

745
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Speaker 6: be a King.

746
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Speaker 2: So on the illustration process, Carol, did you have input

747
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Speaker 2: on that as well?

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Speaker 4: No?

749
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Speaker 9: I did not.

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Speaker 13: No, I did not.

751
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Speaker 6: Once I had written a manuscript, I pretty much turn

752
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 6: it loose and the words need to be evocative enough

753
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 6: that the ill straighter can then come up with their

754
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 6: own vision for the project.

755
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Speaker 7: And for this project, as.

756
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Speaker 6: I said, James Ransom, the illustrator, came up with the

757
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Speaker 6: concept of a braided story dr aided like braids as

758
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Speaker 6: you wear in your hair, meaning there are two stories

759
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Speaker 6: in one. So one story is a contemporary story of

760
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Speaker 6: kids who are doing a service project in their school,

761
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Speaker 6: and the service project happens to.

762
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Speaker 7: Be creating a mural about King.

763
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Speaker 6: And then the other story is King's own story that

764
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Speaker 6: kind of unfolds alongside these illustrations.

765
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Speaker 7: Of kids who are doing the mural project. And there's

766
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Speaker 7: no text, there's no text about the mural project.

767
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 6: It's just, you know, it's all about King's experiences and

768
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Speaker 6: how kids can follow in his example. So there's when

769
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Speaker 6: the scene from Morehouse starts out with and I mentioned

770
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Speaker 6: earlier that it's calling response to the call the.

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Speaker 7: Responses you can be a King, break the chains.

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Speaker 6: Of ignorance, learn as much as you can. King's own

773
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Speaker 6: experiences are used to inspire young people to have similar

774
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Speaker 6: experiences and to you know, to take away from those

775
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 6: experiences and obligation.

776
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Speaker 7: To give back.

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Speaker 2: Does it start with his birth? What point did you

778
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Speaker 2: begin with went down to King for these children.

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Speaker 9: Pretty much starts with his birth.

780
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Speaker 7: It says, you can be a king.

781
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Speaker 9: Marvel at creation, keep the faith of your ancestors.

782
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Speaker 7: So it's not his birth, but this.

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Speaker 6: Is scene from his home life with pictures of his

784
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Speaker 6: family and you know his home and a manta is

785
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 6: now is a National Historic Site, is you know, you

786
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 6: can visit the home in the Sweet Auburn neighborhood is

787
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Speaker 6: maintained by the National Park Service. I went to the

788
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Speaker 6: home and saw how it looked.

789
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Speaker 7: And I'm sure James Ransom did too, because it looks

790
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 7: like the inside of that home. And so King is

791
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Speaker 7: getting ready.

792
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 6: To go to church in that scene, and his dad

793
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 6: is tying his bow tie and his mom and siblings

794
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 6: are waiting in the wings, so it's it's a you know,

795
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Speaker 6: scene from his at home.

796
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 7: And then it goes to a scene where.

797
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 6: He was he was playing with a little white boy

798
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 6: who was his age, and then the white child's father comes,

799
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Speaker 6: you know, intoveans and doesn't want the child playing with them.

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Speaker 6: So the text reads, you can be a king, know

801
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 6: that bigotry hurts. Remember how you felt been treated unfairly,

802
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 6: So it's not you know again, it's not saying King.

803
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 6: When King was a little boy, he experienced prejudice. And

804
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 6: you know, it's not didactic or you know outfront, it's

805
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 6: not direct. Everything's indirect, but nevertheless inspiring through the marriage

806
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 6: of the woods and the and the visuals.

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Speaker 2: What sort of response have you gotten from the spoke, Carol?

808
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Speaker 6: Well, when we visit schools during Black History Month and

809
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 6: around the King Holiday, often teachers have done an activity

810
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 6: with kids where they.

811
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Speaker 9: Ask them, how can you be a king? Uh?

812
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 6: There's another mind in the poem that says be the

813
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 6: king or queen of help.

814
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 9: That's what you know.

815
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 6: King was about helping, he was about serving others. So

816
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 6: then kids are asked to, you know, look look within themselves,

817
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 6: to ask how they.

818
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 7: Can contribute to their school community, to their to their home,

819
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 7: to the house, you know.

820
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 6: To their household, and to the larger community. And so

821
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 6: kids have to think, you know, maybe the kids say,

822
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 6: I'm going to recycle or I'm going to uh stand

823
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 6: by the kid who gets bullied. So that's that's an

824
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 6: activity that kids have done. That's one of the ways

825
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 6: that the book has been used in many classrooms.

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Speaker 2: All right, let me go back to your son Jeff, Jeff.

827
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Speaker 2: When you're doing illustrating and you're out there considering the illustrating,

828
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Speaker 2: how does it go? Do they?

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Speaker 5: Like?

830
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: Your mom says she she was, She didn't pick the illustrator.

831
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Speaker 2: Is that the case for you? Is that the author,

832
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 2: it's the publishers picks the illustrator. How does that work?

833
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 8: Yes, Typically, when an author submits a manuscript, the publisher has,

834
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Speaker 8: you know, a rolodex of illustrators that they look through

835
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 8: and they kind of play matchmaker with the author and

836
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 8: illustrator whoever they feel like is best. So how my

837
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 8: mother and I operate, we will do something called a

838
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 8: package feel where we will I will provide example illustrations

839
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 8: of how we envision the book, and we'll pitch the

840
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 8: book with the illustrations attached to the manuscript. So, you know,

841
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 8: we take the guess work out of the process for them.

842
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 8: And so therefore, instead of being looking for an illustrator,

843
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 8: they already you know, I have an idea of what

844
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 8: to look for and I fill that space.

845
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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm just I'm just I'm just hones just to

846
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: even talk to you guys, because people don't some people

847
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: don't understand this business of you know, publication, especially it

848
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: comes to children's publication, and just because they're black, and

849
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: it's not that you're just you know, but you guys

850
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: are good. You just have to be black. But you

851
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: guys are at the top of the game when it

852
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: comes to producing books and you do it for our children.

853
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: So I'm just happy to have you on. I'm just

854
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: wish more people would know know your names. Like I mentioned, Oh,

855
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: they know the Michael Jordanes and the the rest of

856
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: the other folks are out there are young people. They

857
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: should know the Carol Boston with for this. So I'm

858
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Wetherford. It does these books, and we've got to

859
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: figure out way to broaden that spectrum so everybody knows

860
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: who you guys are because obviously the other the people

861
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 2: in the publishing business, they know who you are. They've

862
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: seen your work. That's why you've won so many awards.

863
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: But this particular book that were discussing this money on

864
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: this King Day, Doctor King's Dreams and you when you

865
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: came up with that title, did you work from the title,

866
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: Carrol or did you just write the book and then say, oh,

867
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: maybe this is the title of work. How did that go?

868
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 7: Usually?

869
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Speaker 6: I don't think about titles. In fact, you know, athletes

870
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 6: have superstitions. You know, all kinds of people in different

871
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 6: fields that than they ever had superstitions. And one of

872
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 6: my superstitions is if you have the title of the

873
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 6: book first, you'll never write it.

874
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 7: So I always wait until the end to.

875
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 8: Title a book.

876
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 6: And the agent, sometimes my agent and my editor, you know,

877
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 6: they always have input in the title. I don't necessarily

878
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 6: come up with all of the titles myself.

879
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: So how'd you call with this title?

880
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 6: Well, that came straight from the call and response, because

881
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 6: every every every spread.

882
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 7: Starts out with you can be a King. So I

883
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 7: knew I wanted to be called be a King.

884
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 6: In fact, the whole book was inspired by a bulletin

885
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 6: board that I saw at a school where it sit.

886
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 7: And I was presenting on the King.

887
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 9: Holiday at this private school in Durham.

888
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 6: North Carolina, and the bulletin board headline said.

889
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 7: Be the King or Queen of help. And so that was,

890
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 7: you know, that was the inspiration for the book. The

891
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 7: bulletin board.

892
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: Oh wow, And you're going to be there at the

893
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: this book fair in Philadelphia, correct, right.

894
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 6: On February seventh, Saturday, February seventh, from one to four

895
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 6: pm at the Pennsylvania Convention Center in Philadelphia. Jeffrey and

896
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 6: I will be there along with twenty some other children's

897
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 6: book creators, Black children's book creators. We will be there

898
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 6: signing books that there'll be a bookseller from Baltimore and

899
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 6: not sink from Everybody's place will.

900
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 9: Be there and selling books.

901
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 6: And we'll be chatting with the kids. The kids who

902
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 6: will get book swag if anything from will trinkets.

903
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 7: To bookmarks, and the kids who arrived early.

904
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 6: Enough will also get a free book that is donated

905
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 6: by one of the events sponsors.

906
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow, a good deal right there. Hold that thought book, though,

907
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: we've got to step side and get caught up in

908
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: the traffic of weather in a different cities. Is three

909
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: minutes away from the top a family you just waking

910
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: up on this King day. I guess there's Karen Boston

911
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: Weatherford and also her son Jeff Weatherford at the top

912
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: of the game when it comes to children's bok to

913
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: discussing her book, Be a King, Doctor Man, the King's

914
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: Dream and you that's the book for our children. But first,

915
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: let's take the trafficing weather at different cities and we'll

916
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: get back with a Carol and JFF next A Happy

917
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: King Day Family. It's two at the top of the

918
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: the lake comers. Carol, can you tell you just give

919
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: us a because you said the book is a call

920
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: and response, Can you just go over that real quickly

921
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: for us?

922
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 15: Right?

923
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 6: The book is a call and response inspired by the

924
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 6: African American oral tradition of black preaching.

925
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 7: And so each spread, each.

926
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 6: Two page spread in the book opens with the refrain

927
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 6: be a King. That's actually the response, and then that's

928
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 6: followed by two minds that are inspired and an evocative

929
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 6: inspired by an evocative of an episode from Doctor King's life.

930
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 6: So an example is you can be a king, beat

931
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 6: the dream for justice, march to your own conscious and

932
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 6: the scene that is that accompanies those lines. King crossing

933
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 6: the Edmund Pettis Bridge with protesters in the Selviaton Montgomery march.

934
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: Right. And since we have you here, because I was

935
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: telling the family that you were and your son award

936
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: winning illustrators and writers, what are some of the other

937
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: projects that you have out there? If they decided to

938
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: go to the Children's Convention in Philly? What to serve

939
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 2: an the other projects that we can see that you

940
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: have done.

941
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 6: Okay, let me mention a couple that we've worked on together. First,

942
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 6: Jeffrey already talked about Wrap It Up, which is his

943
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 6: authorial debut. We collaborated as co authors on that book's

944
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 6: illustrated by Ernell Martinez, a Philadelphia mural artist. Ken Rooted

945
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 6: in Hope is a family history that is a birth

946
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 6: novel that I wrote and Jeffrey illustrated about our family's

947
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 6: roots on the Maryland, on Maryland's eastern shore, on the

948
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 6: same plantation where Frederick Douglass was enslaved. And that was

949
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 6: the one Maryland one book for twenty twenty FI. And

950
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 6: our debut book was You Can Fly the Tuskegee Airman,

951
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 6: which is also a birth novel illustrated by Jeffrey and

952
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 6: his scratch scratchboards style. And then the other book that

953
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 6: Jeffrey mentioned in earlier in this segment is called Me

954
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 6: This Hamilton, One Woman's Case for Equality and Justice. I

955
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 6: think that's the full civil subtitle about one of the

956
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 6: unsung women leaders of the civil rights movement.

957
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: And Jeffery, what are some of the books that you're

958
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: working for.

959
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 8: Currently? I don't know. Are we allowed to talk about

960
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 8: our ideas mom work, Yeah, go.

961
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 6: Ahead, you can talk about the one you're walking, the

962
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 6: one you're working on.

963
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, okay.

964
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 8: So we're working on one might be write your alley

965
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 8: about mediacs about the black newspapers of America.

966
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 6: So trace is the history of black newspapers from in

967
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 6: s abant and emancipation to this to this day and

968
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 6: impact those newspapers have had in shaping and documenting the

969
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 6: African American experience. So it's not it's not under contract yet.

970
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 6: It's we're still putting together the package and it's in

971
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 6: Jeffrey's hands now, but with the illustrations, right, So.

972
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: How does that work though? You guys? Do you do

973
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: you do these products and pitch them to publishers or

974
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 2: do they publishers seek you out and you know, present

975
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: you with ideas and ask you to work on it.

976
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 6: I don't think there's so much out yet for a

977
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 6: joint project. Generally they represent a package to the publishers.

978
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 6: But sometimes I've been in the game, you know, much

979
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 6: longer than Jeffrey. I've been in the game thirty years.

980
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 6: My first book came out when he was about six

981
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 6: years old. And yeah, he was six years old. So

982
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 6: he wasn't in the game yet then. But I sometimes

983
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 6: editors do approach me with book ideas, and so you know,

984
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 6: sometimes I do work on commission.

985
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: Got you all right before we let you guys go,

986
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: and we're going to open up the phone lines to

987
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: it to the families. Just talk about doctor King Kevin

988
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: Uh tell us again about the book fair. How can

989
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: people get copies of the book? And and what time

990
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 2: is it. I know it's going to be in Philadelphia,

991
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: and if you know some of the other folks are

992
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: going to be there as well, please share that with us.

993
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 7: We've talked about.

994
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 6: I'll tell them when we get the books, and you

995
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 6: can tell them about the fair. Maybe the books be

996
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 6: a King wrap it up, Ken Rooted in Hope. Other

997
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 6: books that we talked about during this segment you can

998
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 6: get from any online.

999
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 7: Or brick and mortar bookseller.

1000
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 6: You can find us online at c as in kat

1001
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 6: v as in boy Weather Ford like the Weather Outside

1002
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 6: in the Ford car dot com and Jeffrey.

1003
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 8: Yes, the African American Children's Books. There the thirty fourth

1004
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 8: annual on February twenty sixth in Philadelphia.

1005
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 7: February seventh, seventh.

1006
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 8: February seventh, my apologies. Yeah, a Pennsylvania convention Center. It's

1007
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 8: gonna be from one to four pm. There's gonna be

1008
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 8: dozens and dozens of black authors and illustrators and thousands

1009
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 8: of books available. And it is just one of those

1010
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 8: you know, it's like it's like the cookout, the family reunion.

1011
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 8: You'll you'll never see that amount of African American authors

1012
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 8: and illustrators in the same place at the same time.

1013
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 8: So yeah, if you have if you have time to

1014
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 8: come out, definitely, definitely do. We will be there, like

1015
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 8: we said, uh, and some other big names as well,

1016
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 8: So look forward to seeing Jean.

1017
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 6: I'll be touring Jeffer and I'll be touring the DMV

1018
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 6: uh starting next starting this week. Uh, and we'll and

1019
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 6: and the Philly area visiting schools and library for black

1020
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 6: his streamlines.

1021
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: Oh a good deal, good deal.

1022
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 4: You know.

1023
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 2: I just want to thank you for all the work

1024
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 2: that you've done over which you guys have put in,

1025
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: and congratulations and all the awards you've run. Obviously I

1026
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: keep telling the family or at the top of the game,

1027
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: so they should know your names, your names of business

1028
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: familiar as any of the athletes and entertainers as well.

1029
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: Because you're the top of the game and we got

1030
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 2: to thank you for looking at for our children as well.

1031
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: So Carol and Jeffrey thank you again.

1032
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 8: Guys, thank you all right.

1033
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: Family. That's Carol Boston Weatherford and Jeffrey Weatherford that's her son.

1034
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,959
Speaker 2: And as I mentioned that, they like that Michael Jordan

1035
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 2: when he comes to when it comes to children's book

1036
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: in the book that we were discussed this morning on

1037
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 2: this King Day is titled be a King Martin Luther

1038
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 2: King's Dream and you so what a we're going to

1039
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: do now We're going to open up the phone lines

1040
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: and we want to get your thoughts about doctor King.

1041
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: How are you commemorating the day? Kevin? You your thoughts first?

1042
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: You know, your thoughts on this King Day? How are

1043
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: you going to commart with the day? I know you

1044
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: gotta work. You got to be here and touch all

1045
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: the buttons. Are you doing anything special?

1046
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 5: What I'm doing, of course, is bringing up the music

1047
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 5: and trying to give the show that feel and that

1048
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 5: it's a special day. And that's that's sort of my

1049
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 5: type of service there. And maybe even I don't know

1050
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 5: find you know how the homeless people are usually asking

1051
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 5: you for you know, a diamond nicol or whatever. And

1052
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 5: I think I might actually do some offerings today, but

1053
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 5: nothing else, you know, nothing major, because I think this

1054
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 5: is major as we do the show and talk about

1055
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 5: the great doctor Martin Luther King and and the things

1056
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 5: that he did for our lives, because I remember seeing,

1057
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 5: you know, the black and white pictures of people getting

1058
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 5: water holes then dogs put on them, and seeing doctor

1059
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 5: Martin Luther King out front with his wife singing, we

1060
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 5: shall overcome. They would televise that. And as a you know,

1061
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 5: very young person, and back in those days, it was

1062
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 5: amazing when we saw all of those things. And then

1063
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 5: the day he got shot, one of my classmates I'll

1064
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 5: never forget he shouted out loud, we're all gonna die now.

1065
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 5: They want to kill us all because they had killed

1066
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 5: doctor Martin Luther King, which of course killed the cause.

1067
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 5: And then they put they put us in the assembly hall.

1068
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 5: And as they presented everything on TV, all of the

1069
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 5: news and Walter Kronkit and those guys like that, and

1070
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 5: so my memories run in abundance.

1071
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: About doctor Maunduther King. So thanks for asking.

1072
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting to how people see it, doctor King, you know,

1073
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: because people are looking at us family. They looking at

1074
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: black people now about how we you know, how we

1075
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 2: commemorate the life of doctor King. What was it all about?

1076
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: Was it his speeches, was the fact that the it

1077
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: was non violence and some people saying that he made

1078
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: a mistake. You should go I've gone after economics and

1079
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: instead of integration. And you know, there's so many facets

1080
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: to doctor King's life. And Kevin mentioned about the assassination.

1081
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: There's so many stories about the assashined assassination. I think

1082
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: we we haven't come up concretely with with you know,

1083
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: who was responsible for the assassination of doctor King.

1084
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 5: Was imagining, Carl, what if the assassin had missed and

1085
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 5: Doctor King still lives today, what would doctor.

1086
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: King be doing?

1087
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 5: Would he be uh head of a mega church or

1088
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 5: would that close call have him thinking in a whole

1089
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 5: different way? And you know, because at the time he

1090
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 5: was already against the Vietnam War and things like that.

1091
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: But let's ask doctor Sadeiki Cambone what he thinks.

1092
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: All yeah, Brother Sidika has been working on researching, actually, Kevin,

1093
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: the assassination of doctor King. Grand Rising and Happy King Day,

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Speaker 2: and brother Sadiki, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 16: Grand Rising brother. I always look forward to being on

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Speaker 16: your show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, as Kevin mentioned about the assassination

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Speaker 2: of doctor King, I know you've been looking into that.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything new to we report or why? First

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Speaker 2: of all, it seems like people think that the investigation

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Speaker 2: has closed, that people have concluded or have come to

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Speaker 2: the conclusion that James Array did not assassinate doctor King.

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Speaker 2: But they seemed to be happy with the fact that

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Speaker 2: there's no conclusion. There's no concrete decision on how, why,

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Speaker 2: how and why he was assassinated. What have you found

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Speaker 2: out that you can share with us?

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Speaker 16: Well, the bottom line what I found through the years

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Speaker 16: calling up like it seems like folks are in fear

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Speaker 16: of even ill that cases are closed, it's still in limbo.

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Speaker 16: And what was Let me just say that we all

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Speaker 16: know about the assassinator doctor King, and so what happened

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Speaker 16: was that the way myself and the organization, you know,

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Speaker 16: I'm you know, director of the Black Community Information Center

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Speaker 16: in Boston, you know, the national group is movie leag Ceive.

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Speaker 16: But back in what happened was that the King family

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00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 16: they went and actually visited James Lay in prison, and

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Speaker 16: they came out convinced that he was not the assassin,

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Speaker 16: and of course it was proven down down the line

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Speaker 16: that he wasn't even in the area. And so essentially

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Speaker 16: they filed a civil student in nineteen ninety nine in

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Speaker 16: regards to the assassination. And so what happened was that

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Speaker 16: there was a trial in nineteen ninety nine. It was

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Speaker 16: over I don't like forty witnesses and went you know,

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Speaker 16: at least a couple of months. And what happened was

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Speaker 16: that the jury came back with a verdict that doctor

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Speaker 16: King were was a victim of assassination due to agencies

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Speaker 16: of the US government. And so you know, we're talking

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Speaker 16: about you know, Jack Hoover, you know, right on down

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Speaker 16: the line. And so what it is is that in

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Speaker 16: terms of all the details, first of all, if you

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Speaker 16: just say, Kyle, and I've mentioned before on this show

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Speaker 16: that it's not like I did this great investigation and

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Speaker 16: came up with this conclusion. Look, uh, there's there's a

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Speaker 16: uh you know, in terms of the jury, the r

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Speaker 16: the verdict. You can get you can google doctor Martin

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Speaker 16: Lucy King assassination trial, and the whole transcript comes up

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Speaker 16: with all the details as to what went down in

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Speaker 16: terms of his assassination that for one thing, that doctor

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Speaker 16: King was at a hotel that was phenomenally white, and

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Speaker 16: one of Jacob Who's people essentially got a message uh

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Speaker 16: to a doctor King's family that our people that you know,

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Speaker 16: it's a bad look for him to be at a

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Speaker 16: white hotel, and that's what got him to move to

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Speaker 16: the Lorraine Motel and on a certain floor.

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Speaker 11: And so.

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Speaker 16: Uh in terms of the dynamics itself right there in

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Speaker 16: the transfer is that, first of all, with the UH,

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Speaker 16: there was a fire fire station right near the Lorraine

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Speaker 16: Motel and the black firefighters in that day were told

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Speaker 16: that their services were not needed and they were actually

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Speaker 16: uh some us Omni special for the shop shooters stationed

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Speaker 16: on the roof of the fires of the fire station.

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Speaker 16: So we believed that they were a backup in case

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Speaker 16: of the fact that the actual assassin failed in terms

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Speaker 16: of his duties. Now, what happened was that on the

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Speaker 16: date of the assassination. What happened was that there was

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Speaker 16: a brother who's a cab driver at the Lorraine Motel

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Speaker 16: waiting for a fair and he saw a white male

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Speaker 16: running to a car that had a driver to it

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Speaker 16: and come to find out that it was a white

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Speaker 16: police members police lieutenant that was run to the vehicle.

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Speaker 2: Who hold right there, brother City here got to step

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Speaker 2: aside for a few months. Come back and give us

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Speaker 2: finish up that report. It's a very interesting and when

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Speaker 2: you come back, also tell us why why would be

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Speaker 2: watch certain people who could you point a finger to

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Speaker 2: who wanted down to King to die? But today's just

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Speaker 2: birthday and we're going to celebrate his birthday. But there's

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Speaker 2: the reason why they tried to kill the dream and

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Speaker 2: the dream and what are your thoughts? Family? You want

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Speaker 2: to join this conversation, and I guess Brother Sidiki come

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Speaker 2: bon reach out to us at eight hundred four to

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Speaker 2: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

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Speaker 2: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, Happy King Day

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Speaker 2: to you. Twenty one minutes after the top day out,

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Speaker 2: we're speaking with brother Sidiki come bond and from the

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Speaker 2: Nubian Leadership Circle and he's been looking into the assassination

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Speaker 2: of doctor King as we celebrate doctor King's birthday today.

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Speaker 2: And Brother Sidiki, you've given us some background, some of

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Speaker 2: the stuff you've never heard before, so I'll let you

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Speaker 2: continue your story.

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Speaker 16: Yes, Sir so I was talking about the brother who's

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Speaker 16: a cab driver and waiting for a fair at the

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Speaker 16: Loraine motel, and so he in fact saw his white

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Speaker 16: male who turned out to be a Metals police lieutenant,

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Speaker 16: run into a vehicle for the head driver. It's a

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Speaker 16: police vehicle. And what happened was that he just he

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Speaker 16: didn't know that what was called, you know, what was

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Speaker 16: actually going on. And what happened was that four days

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Speaker 16: later his body was found floating in the river. So

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Speaker 16: his life had been taken out. But what it is,

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Speaker 16: you know, getting back to what you know, what Kyl,

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Speaker 16: was that you know, for at least fifteen to twenty years,

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Speaker 16: you know, we did the the outreach to you know,

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Speaker 16: what we did was, you know, we sent letters to

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Speaker 16: the respective presidents at the time asking that they in

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Speaker 16: fact convened a special grand jury to investigate it. Because

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Speaker 16: the most we ever got was thank you for your interest.

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Speaker 16: But the most disheartening aspect, Kyle, was, you know, we

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Speaker 16: had no expectation that the various presidents at the time

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Speaker 16: would in fact look into it. What was really discouraging

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Speaker 16: was that, you know, we reached out to everybody that's

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Speaker 16: quote unquote allegedly prominent in the black community across the country,

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Speaker 16: whether it be you know, like the Congressional Black Hawcers,

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Speaker 16: various you know, numerous national organizations like the Urban League,

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Speaker 16: uh NAACPS, National Accent you know, right across and we

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Speaker 16: got uh you know, we got some responses, but none

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Speaker 16: in the context of, hey, you know, we're going to

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Speaker 16: really look into this. It's it's like folks who were

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Speaker 16: afraid of it, brother Kyle, and just wanted it to

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Speaker 16: go away. And to this very day, that's why I

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Speaker 16: tell people that said, you know that the bottom line

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Speaker 16: is that got a great deal of respect for doctor King,

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Speaker 16: but really it's really hard to celebrate his legacy knowing

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Speaker 16: that the assassination case and I can't say it's unsolved.

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Speaker 16: It's not unsolved. The infant is there. It's just that

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Speaker 16: we have not moved in. And let me just say this, Kyle,

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Speaker 16: is that the late Great Coretta Scott King actually sent

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Speaker 16: a corresponds to me thanking us for the work that

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Speaker 16: we had been doing as it contains to the assassination

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Speaker 16: of doctor King. So to this very day, and oh,

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Speaker 16: let me just say this that you know, I'm gonna

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Speaker 16: continue to pursue this now what it is is that

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Speaker 16: you know, the word is out that President Trump supposedly

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Speaker 16: isn't now you know some months ago that that the

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Speaker 16: King Paper's gonna be released. And look, the bottom line

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Speaker 16: is that some of the information, like I said, it

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Speaker 16: was already in the trial transcript. But there's information in

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Speaker 16: regards to the assassination that supposedly has been sealed until

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Speaker 16: twenty twenty seven. So that means as of next year,

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Speaker 16: more information is supposed to come out. So it's going

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Speaker 16: to be interested to see if, in fact they do

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Speaker 16: release that information, because I think there's going to be

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Speaker 16: more details in terms of the assassination itself. But still,

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Speaker 16: once again, even if we get more information, our folks

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Speaker 16: are going to turn a blind eye to it or say, look,

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Speaker 16: we're got to do this because of the fact that

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Speaker 16: if we really want to honor doctor King, then we

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Speaker 16: in fact will pursue this case until we get justice.

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Speaker 16: You know, some folks I'm sure will pass away, but

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Speaker 16: there's a distinct possibility that there are folks will involved

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Speaker 16: in are alive. It should be brought to justice.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five of the top. Let me ask you this,

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Speaker 2: brother City Gates, just being about those classified files, that

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is threatened to release. Is he going to

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Speaker 2: release something? And it's entirely do we know they're going

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Speaker 2: to be heavily redacted. We've seen what he's done with

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Speaker 2: some of these classified files on the Epstein papers as well,

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Speaker 2: and it's just majority of it was just redacted to

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Speaker 2: blacked out, couldn't see what was in it. You think,

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Speaker 2: is that what we're going to look forward to is

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Speaker 2: that if that is just a waste of time, we

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Speaker 2: won't learn anything.

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Speaker 16: Right, what's really interesting cause of course you know about

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Speaker 16: that he's talking about at the time, about releasing information

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Speaker 16: around assassination of President Kennedy and doctor King, and so

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Speaker 16: what it is is that I just have some questions

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Speaker 16: in terms of does is he actually talking about, like

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Speaker 16: you said, information that course would be didacted like you said,

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Speaker 16: But was he also referring to the information that is

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Speaker 16: supposed to be legally sealed until twenty twenty seven? So

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Speaker 16: I think that he's just talking on some of the

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Speaker 16: present day information that is available that I'm sure is

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Speaker 16: not totally detailed as it pertaining to the assassination. But

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Speaker 16: it'll be interested to see if in fact, the so

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Speaker 16: called information that's sealed officially sealed by the government until

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Speaker 16: twenty seven is included what he's talking about. I don't

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Speaker 16: think it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty six out of the tough and I want

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Speaker 2: things too. Brother said he gave interesting because we spoke

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Speaker 2: about this with doctor Ray Wimbrish about the complicity of

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Speaker 2: the Kennedy brothers. You know a lot of people think

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Speaker 2: that Robert Kennedy and JFK we're all in it for us,

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Speaker 2: and in reality they weren't. They were the ones who

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Speaker 2: gave Jake gohof the Okay to wire tab doctor King,

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Speaker 2: and we know about the co intail programmer. They sent

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Speaker 2: letters to doctor King and tell him to commit suicide

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Do you think all of this

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Speaker 2: is going to come out because you know, well, people

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Speaker 2: talk about this people, some people don't believe it. This

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Speaker 2: is passed on. This is what the doctor King told

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Speaker 2: his folks, you know, and they and I guess it's

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Speaker 2: coming up at a nine o'clock is going to get

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Speaker 2: into this as well. But do you think all of

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Speaker 2: that's going to be at some point that the public

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Speaker 2: will know about that part that the Kennedy brothers along

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Speaker 2: with Jay Edgar Hoover played in the assassination of doctor King.

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Speaker 16: What I've found in exists this very day and said,

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Speaker 16: unless there's a different mindset and mentality, the real issue,

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Speaker 16: like I said before, is that okay, today is celebrating

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Speaker 16: doctor King. You know, he got streets named after him,

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Speaker 16: the buildings or what have you. But the bottom line,

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Speaker 16: unless there's some pressure applied by folks and agencies, you know,

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Speaker 16: organizations within the confines of our community across the country,

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Speaker 16: then it's going to be business as usual because there's

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Speaker 16: no pressure being put on these folks to In fact, now,

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Speaker 16: I believe that the former Conosis woman Cynthia McKinney, you know,

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Speaker 16: did some inquiries. But I'm telling you right across the board, Kyle,

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Speaker 16: nobody wanted to deal with this all act like they

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Speaker 16: just wanted to go away and just talk about honoring

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Speaker 16: doctor King and his great legacy. But when you talk

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Speaker 16: about the actual inside themselves, they don't want to deal

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Speaker 16: with it. They just wanted to go away. It's really

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Speaker 16: it's really frustrating and disappointing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty many said the topic, and let me shout

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01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 2: out the folks who are on the way now to

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01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 2: King parades all over the country. We have King parades

1308
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: or King breakfast and lunches and dinners. They're all celebrating

1309
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 2: doctor King. But one of the aspects that they don't

1310
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 2: talk about is why brother Sideki has been working on

1311
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 2: this investigation. Why was he eliminated? And let me ask

1312
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 2: you this, because he said, you've talked to so many

1313
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: people and I mean of them don't want to talk

1314
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 2: about it. Do you think it's it's just a fatigue,

1315
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: it's a king fatigue because we didn't talking about this

1316
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: since he was assassinated, and you still haven't come up

1317
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 2: with the consensus of what happened or what really happened

1318
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: and the reasons behind it, because the reasons are varied,

1319
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 2: and you could pick anyone and say, well, this could

1320
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 2: be that, it could be this, it could be that,

1321
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 2: it could be this person or that person. Do you

1322
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 2: think people are just just just tired of discussinate brother Sidiki.

1323
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 2: This is why that you're not getting the response that

1324
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 2: you thought you would have gotten.

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01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 16: You know, I don't think it's a matter of being tired.

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01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 16: I think it's a matter of not wanting to have

1327
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 16: to address it. Let me give another example. Uh some

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01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 16: years ago, Uh Martin Luther King Jr. Came here and

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01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 16: spoke at a prominent church here in Boston. Yes the

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01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 16: third excuse me, yes, third, yes, And so essentially he

1331
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 16: spoke at the annual breakfast and then he came to

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01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 16: the church to speak after the breakfast, and it was

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01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 16: a a floehouse. And so what happened was that h

1334
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 16: W we were told that uh, at the completion of

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01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 16: his presentation that there would be a question and an

1336
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 16: answer period, and so I was in attendance, and so

1337
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 16: what happened was that the head minister at the church

1338
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 16: came over and said he needed to have a moment

1339
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 16: with me, and I said, okay, well, what's up. He said,

1340
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 16: we really appreciate it if you did not bring up

1341
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 16: the subject of doctor King's assassination. And I just looked

1342
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 16: at him and you result, of respect the facts for

1343
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 16: his church, I did not bring it up. But it

1344
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 16: just gives you a sense, Kyle, of the mindset. I

1345
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 16: mean literally came up to me and pulled me aside

1346
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 16: and asked me not to bring up the assassination. So

1347
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 16: that's on the local level, but you can just think

1348
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 16: about on the national level. And the bottom line is

1349
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 16: that you know, just like I said, you can go

1350
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 16: to and I've said this before on your show, Doctor

1351
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 16: Martin Luther King assassination trial transcript and it talks about

1352
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 16: the fact that James L. Ray was not even in

1353
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 16: the area. He supposedly was the end route, but you

1354
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 16: know they were just using him. The weapons supply came

1355
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 16: from a Cuban national brought it to this little RinkyDink

1356
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 16: restaurant owned with his white owner. All that was used

1357
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 16: by the police lieutenant. So it's everything is there, and

1358
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 16: you know it just it's everything is suspect because you know, Kyle,

1359
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 16: come to find out that uh do you see the

1360
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 16: picture of the individuals as one of the individuals that

1361
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 16: was uh attending the doctor King when he had been shot,

1362
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 16: supposedly had been his trusted photographer that took all those

1363
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 16: photos of doctor King during his work. Come to find

1364
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 16: out he was the FBI agent among others.

1365
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 16: And you know when you look at the tr you know,

1367
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 16: just being very candid. When I looked at the trial transcript,

1368
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 16: and like I said, it's right there in terms of

1369
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 16: the there was on the day that doctor King was assassinated,

1370
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 16: his uh a chamber made uh told doctor King's security

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01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 16: that the services, so at least some of them was

1372
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 16: not needed that day. And the person who told her that,

1373
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 16: you know, I'm just not putting all the information in

1374
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 16: this that I'm making up, was Reverend Jesse Jackson. So

1375
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 16: I'm not saying Reverend Jackson was evolved. I'm just saying,

1376
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 16: you look at the transcript, it's all there. It's all there.

1377
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 16: It talks about in terms of the weapon US for

1378
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 16: the assassination that clearly the caliber of the weapon US

1379
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 16: did not match what James Ray was carrying with him.

1380
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 16: He never even got there, uh to the area, so

1381
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 16: he was just a pawn that they were gonna they're using.

1382
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 16: But it's clearly the US government that took out doctor King.

1383
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 16: And the bottom line is that, like I said before,

1384
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 16: you know, I'm really high communal. I can't really celebrate

1385
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 16: this because, like I said, with all the activity that's

1386
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 16: going on through the years, we've been to the King

1387
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 16: Breakfast is here in Boston, handed out literature trying to

1388
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 16: encourage folks, and they just kind of look at it

1389
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 16: and they go inside and quote unquote enjoy the breakfast.

1390
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 16: But we have not heard anything. And like I said before,

1391
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 16: it's disrespectful of doctor King for us to allow this

1392
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 16: to continue with the knowledge that we have as it

1393
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 16: pertains to his assassination, and we have done nothing about it.

1394
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 2: All right, Well, left thet right there twenty six away

1395
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 2: from the top of our family vo us. You hear

1396
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 2: the brother city could come home? Brother said he gets

1397
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 2: with the Nubian leadership circle, and brother Cidig has been

1398
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 2: doing investigation in doctor King's assassination. But Brother Sidiki, if

1399
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 2: we believe everything that we hear about the assassination, then

1400
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,759
Speaker 2: you've got to start with the sanitation strike in Memphis.

1401
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 2: Do you think, oh, how far back or do did

1402
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 2: they take from you? What you what you can do?

1403
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 2: You've gleaned so far? Do they take advantage of that strike,

1404
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 2: that labors strike? And and because obviously these plans had

1405
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 2: to be uh had to be family created some time

1406
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 2: ago and just waiting to spring it out to take

1407
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 2: out doctor King. So does he go back as far

1408
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 2: as the sanitation strike? Because I remember James Lawson, Reverend

1409
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 2: James Lawson invited King to Memphis for years. He carried

1410
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,879
Speaker 2: that before we found out that the coins hell program

1411
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: was and he used to be a guest on our

1412
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 2: program back in la back in the day. For years

1413
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: he carried that guilt that you know about the assassination

1414
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 2: because he wanted to invited Doctor King to come to

1415
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 2: Memphis because of the strike. But my chushion to you

1416
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 2: was how deep how far back does he go? All

1417
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: this was created waiting for an opportunity or was the

1418
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 2: strike in Memphis part of it?

1419
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 16: Oh? Well, you know, of course that played a role.

1420
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 16: But the whole piece was that in terms of doctor

1421
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 16: King that while he was making a speech as well,

1422
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 16: you know, we shall overcome and and we and we

1423
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,879
Speaker 16: need to rally with good white people. But what happened

1424
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 16: is that doctor King became a danger from the perspective

1425
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 16: of the US government when number one that of course,

1426
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 16: you know that strike played a role, but the reality

1427
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 16: is that number one, he was a primary critic of

1428
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 16: the war in Vietnam. And you know, when you criticize

1429
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 16: a country being at war with the understanding that you

1430
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 16: know people really, you know, he has the ear of

1431
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 16: the people, and then you know the war and then

1432
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 16: you know doctor King's you know, like he met with

1433
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 16: Eligi Muhammad, and so what happened is that his perspective

1434
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 16: was changing in terms of the issue of the status

1435
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 16: of black people in this country to the extent that

1436
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 16: he started having in questions about so called integration. Did

1437
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 16: the except that he made a beat speece talking about

1438
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 16: he come to inclusion that pursuing integration.

1439
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 2: Uh was all right there. We gotta check the news again,

1440
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 2: brother said, give come Ia, I gotta let you finish

1441
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 2: your thought cause you mentioned they might with Elijah. Muhammad

1442
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 2: also met with a brother Malcolm as well. Do you

1443
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 2: think that was the that was the catalyst for them

1444
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 2: to go after him because what they what they fear

1445
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 2: most is black unity. And then you have two of

1446
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 2: the most powerful black men in the country coming together

1447
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 2: and maybe coming out on one accord would be a

1448
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 2: major major problem for the country. What are your thoughts? Family,

1449
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 2: You two can get in on this conversation with our

1450
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 2: guess brother Sidiki come bomb. We gotta check the news,

1451
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 2: trafficking weather out different cities and we come back. You

1452
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 2: can reach him at eight hundred four or five zero

1453
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 2: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take all your phone calls.

1454
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: Next Grand Rising family sixteen minutes from the top of

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01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 2: the hour. It's happy King Day as well as King

1456
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 2: Day twenty twenty five, and this is where we get

1457
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: talking about right now with brother Sidiki comebom from the

1458
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 2: Newbian and leadership. Before we go back to Lenning's finish

1459
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 2: his thought, let me just tell you coming up later

1460
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 2: this morning and continue the theme with doctor King with

1461
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 2: two of his contemporaries, that would be doctor Paul Smith

1462
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 2: and Leonard Hamlin Junior. They were with doctor King. So

1463
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna share some reports but how doctor King came

1464
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 2: to adopt the nonfinance and also come up later this week,

1465
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: you're going to hear from Professor May New MPN out

1466
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: of Contra Costa College in northern California. Also africology professor

1467
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 2: from Temple University, doctor now Dove will be with us

1468
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 2: and the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice, attorney

1469
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 2: Malik Shabos, who will also be here. And also uh

1470
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: Grill in Atlanta, Atlanta based Grill doctor t k I.

1471
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 2: Couo will be here as well. So if you are

1472
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 2: in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio locked in

1473
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 2: tight on ten ten WLB or you're in the DMV family,

1474
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 2: we're rolling on fourteen fifteen w L. All right, brother Sadekia,

1475
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you finish your thought.

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01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 16: Okay, Well, let me just say that in terms of

1477
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 16: doctor King, in terms of just being assassinated, in terms

1478
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,600
Speaker 16: of the key factors. First of all, yeah, like I

1479
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 16: mentioned before in terms of Logia and like you said,

1480
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 16: brother Malcolm X, that Doctor King had met with them

1481
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 16: both and his perspective was starting to change as it

1482
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 16: pertains to the issue of integration to the extent that

1483
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 16: he did a major speech and said that he was

1484
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 16: getting a sense that pursuing the integration was like running

1485
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 16: into a burning building. But the really the big one

1486
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 16: on top of that was him becoming uh a national

1487
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 16: international critic of the Vietnam War. That was the one

1488
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 16: that really sees his fate in terms of of of

1489
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 16: the assassination aspect of history, because of the fact that,

1490
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 16: you know, you're taking on the US government and its

1491
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 16: war machine. And so the bottom line is, like I

1492
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 16: said before, he was outspoken in terms of the issue

1493
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 16: of racism, but when he was out there publicly criticizing

1494
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 16: the Vietnam War, that was it. You know, the government

1495
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 16: had been you know, conspiring against him anyhow. But what

1496
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 16: led to the Lorraine Motel in terms of his finality

1497
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 16: was he was outspoken in terms of being a critic

1498
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 16: of the Vietnam War. And you know, Carl, that's that's

1499
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 16: a no go when you come out and criticize the

1500
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 16: government for being at war with the country.

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01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that comes down the heels where we found

1502
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 2: out about the military industrial complex that we shared with us,

1503
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 2: and we found out, hey, this is such a term,

1504
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: that's such a there's such a build up. This is

1505
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 2: how they make money some of the times they create

1506
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 2: these wars, and and these defense contractors get paid. And

1507
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: then somebody may come up and say something who influential

1508
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 2: enough that will put an end to all that. That's

1509
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 2: another possibility. It's just another theory that we can throw

1510
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 2: into the ring of why they wanted him out. And

1511
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 2: then there's this several other reasons why. And this, I

1512
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 2: think this is why you're going after doggedly trying to

1513
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,919
Speaker 2: find out what the real reason is. And and hopefully

1514
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 2: these these are class documents. Said whenever they released that,

1515
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 2: brother said said he we'll share that and not because

1516
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 2: more confusion. You know. One of the things I've heard

1517
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: and doctor Taylor's mentioned it, so he says, don't be

1518
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 2: surprised that they tried to embarrass or humiliate doctor King

1519
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 2: when they released some of these files. What are your

1520
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 2: thoughts on.

1521
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 16: That, Oh, well, well absolutely, you know. The bottom line

1522
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 16: is that they'll do whatever it's necessary to discredit doctor King,

1523
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 16: like you mentioned before, you know, tapping his own lines

1524
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 16: and talking about his personal life, talking about you know,

1525
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 16: there were there were other women in his life and

1526
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 16: things of that nature. But the reality is that none

1527
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 16: of that means the thing. Kyle. If we as black

1528
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 16: people to just sit aside and wait or just continue

1529
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 16: to hope that this situation, I shouldn't even say it's

1530
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 16: going to go away because of the fact that it's

1531
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 16: not out in the public.

1532
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 4: Guy.

1533
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 16: Now it's about word or not. We're gonna have the

1534
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 16: courage to stand up and say, you know what, uh,

1535
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 16: in real pursuit of justice with doctor King, that we

1536
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 16: want to see this case reopened and explored and to

1537
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 16: bring the folks involved to justice, you know, and we're

1538
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:23,520
Speaker 16: not talking about folks on like a small town scale.

1539
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 16: There was some you know, major folks in Wolves like

1540
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 16: Jego Hoover and others, and I think that they went

1541
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 16: on up the line to other folks who are higher

1542
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 16: than King, than Hoover that have full no knowledge of

1543
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 16: what was being planned to sassay Doctor King. But like

1544
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 16: I said before, you know folks who built there all

1545
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 16: across the country, black people, celebrating the legacy of doctor King.

1546
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 16: And like I said before, I have not been able

1547
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 16: to you know, although I had the ultimate respectful Doctor King,

1548
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 16: I've never been able to feed into the energy as

1549
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 16: it pertains to the respect for Doctor King, because I

1550
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 16: feel like we're just disrespecting his legacy when we have

1551
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 16: full knowledge of the conspiracy to in fact assassinate Doctor King,

1552
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 16: and yet we sit aside with the hopes that it's

1553
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 16: just going to go away. And you know, Kyle, you know,

1554
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 16: I would talk to people about through the years and

1555
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 16: they would, you know, they would look at you like

1556
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 16: the interest of a dinner. At the same time, it's

1557
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 16: like they give you that look like they don't want

1558
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 16: to hear about it. They just wanted to go away.

1559
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 16: And I think that that's really shameful based on what

1560
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 16: the fact doctor King his life with black people, and

1561
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 16: that we go up, don't go out there and seek

1562
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 16: the justice that his legacy.

1563
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 2: Deserves got you turn away from the top of our family.

1564
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 2: Brother Sneki comeing from the Nubian the leadership circle and

1565
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 2: the discussing. We're discussing asking about doctor King. This is

1566
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: a happy King Day for you if you're just checking

1567
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 2: in as well. I got the day off and it's

1568
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: not a day off, it's a day on. So we've

1569
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: got to show the other folks how we commemorate the

1570
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 2: memory of doctor King. Uh. Line two is reaching out

1571
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 2: to us doctor Hackey's callings from Baltimore, Grand Rising, doctor Hakey.

1572
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 2: You're on my brother Sidiki.

1573
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 15: Yes, grand rising brother, doctor Sidiki. It's always good to

1574
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 15: hear you. Two three quick points. Well, first, there is

1575
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 15: one event coming up called I just said to to you.

1576
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 15: It's in the Emerson Village area. Taylor Boyanch I believe

1577
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 15: he wrote some books on doctor King. Yeah, but that's

1578
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 15: at Saint Bernadine's Church at twelve years of peace walking.

1579
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 15: I guess perhaps a discussion, but that's pretty close to me,

1580
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 15: so I'm gonna go there.

1581
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 2: But let me just well, look you do that, let's

1582
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 2: get you. Yeah, you don't do it. Drive by. That's

1583
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 2: that's gonna be in St. Saint Bernardine's Catholic Church.

1584
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 15: Right on Emson Avenue, right like Emerson to those that

1585
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 15: are in Baltimore Emerson and mel Holly twelve noon, if

1586
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 15: you you know, need to see it, I just sent

1587
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 15: you sent it to you called you know, so you

1588
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 15: can you know, repeat the details or direct right on

1589
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 15: Emson Avenue. Most people it's a big, pretty big church there,

1590
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 15: but it's twelve noons, so they're gonna have ner right

1591
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 15: right right, So definitely, definitely And Taylor Branch he wrote

1592
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 15: like three books on doctor King. But I wanted to

1593
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 15: also mintioned and thank you called, you know a few

1594
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 15: years ago. Uh uh, doctor Dyson was in he spoke

1595
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 15: at the community college and just like you be sideki,

1596
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 15: I asked him, you know, and I can't recall, but

1597
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 15: I do recall, you know, being a a Cochley, I

1598
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 15: you know, I you know, asked him like, did you

1599
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:50,759
Speaker 15: have any understanding or research about Jesse Jackson's role.

1600
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 17: Or or not?

1601
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 15: So he said that that was that he didn't find

1602
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 15: anything and that was ludicrous as he called it. But

1603
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 15: but my closing com question William Pepper, he wrote the

1604
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:07,759
Speaker 15: uh right, right right, So what what do you find

1605
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 15: with his work or analysis? The absassination of the plot

1606
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 15: to assassinate doctor King. I know that's that's his book

1607
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 15: and I have the copy right here with me, so

1608
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 15: you can just address those things. Brother, and I appreciate

1609
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 15: you always, thank you, thank you card for having us brother.

1610
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 2: Men. Just say before you speaking, doctor Peppers was a

1611
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 2: regular guest down session on this program too before he

1612
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 2: made his transition. He was giving us more information about

1613
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 2: the assassination of doctor King. But brother Cidiki, i' let

1614
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 2: you respond to what the doctor Hakeyja said.

1615
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:45,719
Speaker 16: Well, the bottom line is that in terms of mister Pepper,

1616
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 16: I mean he put on all kinds of information about

1617
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 16: the assassination of doctor King, and you know, not speculation,

1618
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 16: all factual and once again it was you know, it

1619
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 16: was out there, but no action was taken. And like

1620
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 16: I said before that the piece for me that is

1621
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 16: most bothersome is that how is it that you have

1622
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 16: someone who gave his life for black people and in

1623
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 16: our community that we don't pursue justice for doctor King.

1624
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 16: You know, like I said, just like with the brothers

1625
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 16: stated along with others you know Paper, I mean he

1626
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 16: was he was a white man, but was on point

1627
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 16: with all his information, with all the details about the assassination,

1628
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 16: and that here we are in twenty twenty six and

1629
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 16: still talking about the assassination and that it not being resolved,

1630
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 16: with the hopes that potentially with the release of this

1631
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:56,879
Speaker 16: sealed information twenty seven, that more details will be released

1632
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 16: in terms of the find out heat the assassination, but

1633
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 16: how based on at least my personal experience, there's no

1634
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 16: guarantee that that won't change anything because black people, the

1635
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 16: least folks who allegedly our leadership, appear to be in

1636
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 16: fear of challenging this situation and that unto itself, was

1637
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 16: really bothersome, really bothersome. So speeches we made. And then

1638
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 16: you know, when I hear this thing about with about

1639
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:32,839
Speaker 16: just saying Dyson saying that's ludicrous that that Jesse Jackson

1640
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 16: name was mentioned. Will the bottle liners go to the

1641
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 16: trial transcript? Like I said before, doctor I get frustrated, Kyle,

1642
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 16: But doctor Martin Luther King trial transcript, you can google it.

1643
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 16: It's there. Like I said, it's not like I did

1644
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 16: this big research campaign. All I did what I was

1645
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 16: told about the transcript was and that's where I got

1646
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 16: all the details. So it's not lul Chris about that

1647
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 16: because Like I mentioned before that the chamber maid at

1648
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 16: the Raine Motel was told by Doctor Doctor by Jesse

1649
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 16: Jackson to tell Doctor King's security team that their services

1650
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 16: weren't available.

1651
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 2: So hey, well, let me tell me ask you this,

1652
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 2: because we come up on a bay, we got to

1653
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 2: check the traffic going weather in a different cities. Let

1654
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 2: me ask you this though, brother Sidiki, are you concerned

1655
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 2: now that we've got AI here now working with us,

1656
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 2: how do we know that some of these files have

1657
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 2: now been bought?

1658
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 4: Uh?

1659
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 16: Well, the bottom line is is that that's a key

1660
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,679
Speaker 16: point that you just made kinle with this AI piece,

1661
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 16: you know, because everybody's talking about how they're amazed with

1662
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 16: it and uh. But the bottom line, as I say

1663
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 16: that when they talk about AI that something of this nature,

1664
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 16: I believe it's you know, it's going to be just

1665
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 16: like everything else of that caliber, it's going to be

1666
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 16: used against us as black people, and that we'll never

1667
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 16: really I found out the truth in regards to a

1668
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,679
Speaker 16: lot of what's going on with this AIP. So everybody's

1669
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,600
Speaker 16: amazed by that science, but for me, I think that,

1670
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 16: you know, it's only going to be a problem for

1671
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 16: black people and moving forward, as I but as it

1672
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 16: manufactures history out here, you know, just you know, I

1673
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 16: had a grands I got a couple of grandsons. And

1674
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 16: I got a call UH about a year and a

1675
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 16: half ago, and my grandson saying essentially UH, said that

1676
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 16: he had a problem and he knew how much I

1677
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 16: loved him, and he needed assistance and he needed a

1678
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 16: certain amount of money to resolved issue. And I told

1679
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 16: him how much I loved him, and that UH, you know,

1680
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 16: I'll do whatever's necessary to help him out. And he said,

1681
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 16: I you know, he said, he said, I knew you'd

1682
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 16: be there for me, grand grandpa, And I said, well,

1683
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 16: you need to tell me something. He said, what's that?

1684
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 16: I said, where were you born?

1685
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 11: Click?

1686
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 16: So that was sounding like them.

1687
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying, you were speaking to an actual person,

1688
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 2: brother Sadiki, you were speaking to an actual person. Sound

1689
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 2: like your grandson.

1690
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 16: Oh it sounded dislike thel Wow, dislikely at you.

1691
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 2: I hold that though right there. We got to take

1692
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 2: the traffic and weather out different cities. I'll let you

1693
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 2: finish that. We got some folks who want to talk

1694
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 2: to you as well. It's two minutes away from the

1695
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 2: top of the family. We're discussing doctor King on his

1696
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 2: birthday today, Happy King Day two of the family. We'll

1697
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 2: take your phone calls an eight hundred and four or

1698
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 2: five zero seventy eight seventy six after we checked the

1699
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 2: trafficing weather, not different cities.

1700
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 4: That's next peat and bastions. I hope everyone is enjoying

1701
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 4: the revolution, and I want to thank that brother for

1702
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 4: that illuminating conversation just had. And for those who are

1703
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 4: still in the sense about it, let's be clear that

1704
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 4: the federal government paid out a multi million dollar civil

1705
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 4: suit for their culpability in the King's assassination. And I

1706
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 4: would be remiss if I don't mention the fact that

1707
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 4: the Atlantic magazine put out an article called the second

1708
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:57,719
Speaker 4: Assassination of King, where he's been buried under the Mountain

1709
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 4: of praise. And for those who remember the commemoration of

1710
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 4: his memorial some time ago, it was a hurricane condition

1711
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 4: so that the events was canceled outside and it all

1712
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:12,480
Speaker 4: took place inside in the convention center and his fraternity,

1713
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:17,600
Speaker 4: Doctor King's Fraternity held at luncheon in his honor, and

1714
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 4: the keynote speaker was the assistant director of the FBI,

1715
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 4: who went on to say that the FBI supports the

1716
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 4: dream of Doctor King, and we were just flabbergast. So

1717
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 4: this is the second second assassination the Kingdom we talking about.

1718
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 4: And it is up to us and people like you

1719
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,599
Speaker 4: who are keeping the Radical King alive. And that's what

1720
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 4: we do. On the day we're celebrating the radical doctor

1721
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 4: Marticluther King. And for those who do not know, the

1722
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 4: last full Sunday sermon that he delivered was right here

1723
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,719
Speaker 4: in Washington, d C. The title that speech was remaining

1724
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 4: Awaked on a Great Revolution. He went only saying that

1725
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 4: speech that far too often people find themselves living in

1726
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 4: periods of great social change, yet they failed to develop

1727
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 4: the new ideas, the new thoughts for that the new

1728
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 4: situation demands. They end up sleeping through a revolution. And

1729
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,600
Speaker 4: I submit that's the quintessential definition of stay woke. And

1730
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 4: that's why I turned into a pejorative. And the great

1731
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 4: mister Garrett Garland Nixon and myself, Kimon Freeman and many

1732
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 4: others will be at a new pop up space on

1733
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 4: fourteenth o two eighth Street Northeast. That's fourteen o two

1734
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 4: eighth Street Northeast, free parking at the Heck and Jamal

1735
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 4: Parking lot. This is a new gallery space. This pop

1736
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 4: up is dedicated one week a month, every month, all

1737
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 4: year long. And we're kicking off on MLK Day today

1738
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 4: at six pm to nine pm, and I hope people

1739
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 4: in your listening artists in the area can come through

1740
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 4: and be inspired by the real Martin Luther King as

1741
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 4: we move forward to challenge the system that we're facing

1742
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 4: with today.

1743
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 2: Every four let you what are you essential? What are

1744
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 2: you going to discuss? Keem on?

1745
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:00,040
Speaker 4: Well, like I said, you know, remaining a way. He

1746
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 4: means that we have to rise to the occasion. We

1747
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 4: have to do something. People think that you know, if

1748
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,680
Speaker 4: you're going to event right right now, my brother, I

1749
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 4: challenge everybody to listen to my voice, go on to

1750
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 4: event right right now and look up the MK they

1751
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 4: we can and seventy five to eighty percent of them

1752
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 4: is all parties. Parties, okay, And that is where we'll

1753
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 4: get lost in the sauce pur brother, where we're gonna

1754
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 4: be talking about is the King that they do not

1755
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 4: tell us about. So many people have the impressionate they

1756
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,759
Speaker 4: only know two speeches from King, they don't know anything else.

1757
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 4: And so that is why we have to excavate h

1758
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 4: if you will every year the Radical King because the

1759
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 4: six corporation and control most of what we see here

1760
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:45,520
Speaker 4: and read. Am not going to to do that. Otherwise

1761
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 4: we will believe the FBI is honoring the dream of

1762
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 4: doctor Marlother King, because that's an incomplete statement in the

1763
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 4: first place, because he did say I had a dream

1764
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 4: in sixty three. In sixty seven he said that dream

1765
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 4: had become a nightmare. So we're gonna talk about the

1766
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 4: nightmare and how we move beyond this nightmare. The last

1767
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 4: conversation he had the mister B what was called Harry

1768
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 4: bella Fonte Mister B that he had with MLK, he

1769
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 4: told him that their integration, we're integrating the burning house,

1770
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 4: that we should become fireman. All right, that's what Harry

1771
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 4: bell Fante said. But then what happened when Correta Scott

1772
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 4: King died. Harrybell Fonti was disinvited to the funeral of

1773
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 4: Corretta Scott King, despite the fact that he put her

1774
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 4: children through college and paid their house off. But he

1775
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 4: was disinvited at the request of George W. Bush. So

1776
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 4: we need to talk about this because there's culpability in

1777
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:46,640
Speaker 4: that second assassination of doctor King, and we can no

1778
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 4: longer be a part of that, so we want to

1779
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 4: make sure that is put out there. And of course

1780
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 4: for those who do I know, I'm the revolutionary that's

1781
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 4: running for Congress, participating in the political process, and we'll

1782
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 4: be making our announcement for that as well. This is

1783
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 4: kim On Freeman and DC residents should not be paying

1784
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 4: federal income taxes. In fact, no black people in good faith,

1785
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 4: they want to challenge this system that as long as

1786
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:12,600
Speaker 4: they don't own a significant amount of property. That is,

1787
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 4: we don't want to record, you know, lose what you're

1788
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 4: been working hard for. But we should be practicing tax resistant.

1789
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 4: Johnny Cochran said that the best way to air your

1790
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 4: grievous is against the federal government is the withholding income taxes.

1791
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 4: He said that at Union Temple Baptist Church, and these

1792
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 4: are the things that King was talking about. He was

1793
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 4: saying that we would hold our funds. People forget the

1794
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 4: economic part that he was responusing. In fact, that's what

1795
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 4: got him killed.

1796
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 2: Talking about thank you to let you go, We've got

1797
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 2: some other guests on deck here, Okay, ready for us,

1798
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 2: thank you before you and before you go again give

1799
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:46,639
Speaker 2: us his dress in the time of your event.

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01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 4: This is the Radical m OK Day six pm to

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01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 4: nine pm, fourteen oh to h Street Northeast, free parking

1802
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 4: and Heck and Jamal Parking Lot. We had intersection of

1803
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 4: Florida and Eighth Street, the splits, and I hope everyone

1804
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 4: can join me, myself and God and Nixon for those

1805
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,719
Speaker 4: who I know God, Nixon's by the battest cat outs

1806
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 4: this side called Nelson and we'll be there today. In fact,

1807
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 4: I'm on my way to the MLK Day Parade this morning.

1808
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 4: I hope people can come out for the MLKDA parade

1809
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 4: this morning. They will kick off at ten o'clock to

1810
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 4: twelve o'clock on Marlin King Avenue. I hope people can

1811
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:28,679
Speaker 4: come through for that and this evening again six pm

1812
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 4: to nine pm, fourteen oh two eighth Street Northeast for

1813
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 4: the Radical m CORE Day Conversation and we'll be serving

1814
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 4: refreshments for those who come out. And Carus want to

1815
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 4: tell you that I really enjoyed your forward that you

1816
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 4: wrote for Brother Anthony Browner and the Broader's perspectives. I

1817
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 4: enjoy reading that, but thank you for having me on

1818
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 4: today and I hope people will col rise to the occasion,

1819
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 4: stay woken. If they don't do anything else. Read Martin

1820
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 4: lu Ken's book Where Do We Go from Here? Chaos

1821
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 4: or Community? Because yesterday, yesterday got you.

1822
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 2: Thank you, kim On, Thank you kime On. Thank you

1823
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 2: for sharing those folks with us this morning, Family.

1824
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:10,719
Speaker 4: Fours dot com. Do something.

1825
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 2: Let's bring it now. Reverend Doctor Paul Smith and Cannon

1826
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 2: let At Hamlin to Doctor King's soldiers, Grand Rising, Happy

1827
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 2: King Day, Fellas.

1828
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 4: Good morning Morney.

1829
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 2: Great, great to have you. I'll let you listen to

1830
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 2: some of the thoughts of people thinking about Doctor King today.

1831
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 2: So just tell me what your your feedback, what you

1832
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 2: heard so far.

1833
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 17: I'm surprised about what he said about Harry Belafonte.

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01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:39,800
Speaker 11: Uh.

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01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 17: And I didn't know that.

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01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:42,559
Speaker 11: Uh.

1837
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 17: Because devil Fonte and Sydney Party were strange supporters of

1838
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,680
Speaker 17: the King family and the children, doesn't mean that there

1839
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 17: are some things they didn't do. But that was I

1840
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 17: had to look into that. That's that's something I didn't know.

1841
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 17: I'm glad to hear it, but I want to check

1842
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 17: it out, all right.

1843
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 2: Uh And again it's Reverend Doctor Paul Smith and Kennon

1844
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 2: Leonard Hamlet, So let me start with the Reverend doctor

1845
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 2: Paul Smith. You know we talked about the Doctor King

1846
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 2: adopting the stance of non violence. You guys were there

1847
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 2: along with Andy Young when when he did this. How

1848
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 2: did how did that come across? Did that did you

1849
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 2: got because you your clergy? Did you buy into it

1850
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 2: right away? What do you take some nudging?

1851
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 17: It took for me, it took it took some nudging.

1852
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 17: But remember, as I said previously.

1853
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:32,800
Speaker 11: We were we were young.

1854
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:35,640
Speaker 17: Andy was in his in his late twenties.

1855
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 10: As was I.

1856
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,760
Speaker 17: He's just three years older than I am, and so

1857
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 17: we were just sort of going after we We had

1858
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 17: no fear, and but we knew we had to do something.

1859
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 17: And I think what's what's going through my mind now

1860
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 17: is that I'm wondering how non violent as a practice,

1861
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 17: which we were taught, you had to learn how to

1862
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 17: be not biding. You just you just don't turn out

1863
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 17: to be non vining. Wake up one morning and you're

1864
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 17: non buying, as you well know. So we had to

1865
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 17: be trained for that, and I think that needs to

1866
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 17: be restored, particularly now because ice is just just as

1867
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 17: nasty and as onerous as I don't have enough words

1868
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 17: to say for that and the only way to counter that,

1869
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 17: in my opinion, is through non violence. So if you're

1870
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 17: acting the way that Ice people are, you're you're not protected.

1871
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:33,600
Speaker 17: I think i'd be interested to see if the No

1872
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 17: kingspeople could really be trained to be non violent so

1873
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 17: the demonstrations could take a different tone. It's just ugly

1874
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 17: right now, and the commentators on the major networks is

1875
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 17: just awful. I mean, it's a shout over each other,

1876
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 17: nobody listening to each other. So I think non violence

1877
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 17: has a role to play it right now, and I'd

1878
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 17: like to see an institute.

1879
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 2: All right, let me go to Hannon Leonard Hamlin Senior,

1880
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 2: your question about non violence. Doctor Paul Smith said, you

1881
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 2: think it could work today? What was going on in

1882
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:12,400
Speaker 2: Ice in Minneapolis? You Canon, Leonard Hamlin, do you think

1883
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 2: it could work? Do you think do you think how

1884
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,639
Speaker 2: people have the appetite now for what we've been through

1885
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 2: all these years and what's going on now and then

1886
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 2: you want us to turn the other cheek? I mean

1887
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 2: Dr Smith said it was it was difficult for you guys,

1888
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 2: and this is a different generation because what they do,

1889
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 2: what they did during the sixers, essentially they're not doing

1890
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 2: it now. They're not doing it as physical now they're

1891
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 2: using they're using the laws they do in all kinds

1892
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:39,719
Speaker 2: of different ways to attack us, but they're not coming

1893
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 2: to us physically. But now it's in you know, even

1894
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 2: if we think about what's going on in Minnapolis. But you,

1895
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 2: Canton Leonard Hamilton Senior, do you think that could work

1896
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:49,800
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis right now?

1897
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 10: Well, let me say first, I'm always grateful to be

1898
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 10: able to join doctor Smith and you and these conversations,

1899
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 10: and as a reminder, I'm that generation that has come

1900
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 10: behind and so learning from those who were really on

1901
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 10: the ground. I was young at that particular time, a

1902
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 10: boy just growing up. But I do believe that that

1903
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 10: could work. And that is one of the we often

1904
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:19,479
Speaker 10: say legs of a school that needs to be fund

1905
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 10: of what is going on, to look at it as

1906
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 10: the only thing that we're doing and listening to perhaps

1907
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 10: some of the comments that may be in one area.

1908
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 10: One of the thing about those who are pressed and

1909
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 10: those who are struggling is that it's not one thing,

1910
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 10: and we cannot afford to say it's only one thing

1911
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 10: that we need. We need everything that we can get

1912
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 10: amen do all at the same time. That's one of

1913
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 10: the beauties of doctor King.

1914
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 4: And if we look at the.

1915
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 10: Non violence, what nonviolence really brought to everyone was a

1916
01:44:55,320 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 10: discipline that requires spiritual strength, of of course the kind

1917
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 10: of intellectual reflections and understandings that go along with it.

1918
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 10: That allowed individuals under great stress, under great challenge, under

1919
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:13,520
Speaker 10: what we would.

1920
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 4: Even it's not really short to say, under great attack,

1921
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 4: to be able to respond in a way that caused

1922
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:27,639
Speaker 4: other individuals to question, to wonder, and even to get

1923
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 4: involved because they saw the difference between love and hate.

1924
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 10: They did use between action and non action. And while

1925
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 10: it has been talked about and even and doctor.

1926
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 2: Hamlet hold that through right there, we gotta step aside

1927
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 2: a few months. I'll let you finish your thought when

1928
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 2: you come back. And also, doctor Smith, I want you

1929
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:49,599
Speaker 2: if you can help us out and teach us something

1930
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 2: about this non violent Somebody spits in your face, somebody

1931
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 2: kicks you and hits you, and you're supposed to just smile.

1932
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,599
Speaker 2: It's kind that's kind of rough. I thank you. Sure

1933
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:02,560
Speaker 2: the audience of how you through those those exercises, so

1934
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:05,560
Speaker 2: doctor King and your group could do that. Family, you

1935
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 2: want to join this conversation with our guest the Reverend

1936
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 2: Doctor Paul Smith and Canon Lennard Hamlin reach out to

1937
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 2: us at eight hundred four to five zero seventy eight

1938
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 2: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and

1939
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:17,720
Speaker 2: grand Rising and Unhappy King Day family. This is King

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Speaker 2: Day twenty twenty five. We're observing the Federal holiday for

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Speaker 2: Doctor Martiny King. As many of you already know, ascid

1942
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Speaker 2: birthday was on the fifteenth, but today's the federal holiday.

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Speaker 2: We have two of his disciples with us, Reverend doctor

1944
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Speaker 2: Paul Smith and Kenon Leonard Hamlin. So, Canon Lenda Hamlin Senior,

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Speaker 2: I'm let you finish your thoughts.

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Speaker 10: No, certainly, you know, speaking about the discipline that is required,

1947
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Speaker 10: and as you talk further, even hearing from doctor Smith

1948
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Speaker 10: who was in that particular time, it is this, you know,

1949
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Speaker 10: an understanding that nonviolence was never spoken about as we

1950
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Speaker 10: were just lifting to say that nothing was being done,

1951
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Speaker 10: or to just simply to be there and to take it,

1952
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Speaker 10: but to understand the discipline and the nonviolent movements as

1953
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Speaker 10: a spiritual confrontation with the forces of evil. And so

1954
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Speaker 10: there was you know, the understanding and the disciplines and

1955
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Speaker 10: the idea was that they were meeting force with force,

1956
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Speaker 10: but different force that is different than punching someone or

1957
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Speaker 10: spitting on someone. And what does it mean? There's King's

1958
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Speaker 10: work that really raises a question as it does make

1959
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Speaker 10: a statement when it talked. When he talks about the

1960
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Speaker 10: strength to love, there's a strength and a power that

1961
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Speaker 10: is hard for many to understand because sometimes hate is

1962
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Speaker 10: just more visible than it has been for those who

1963
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Speaker 10: have experienced loved.

1964
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Speaker 2: And doctor Samanth help us out here, and how these trainings,

1965
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Speaker 2: these non violence is trainings in the practical world, I

1966
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Speaker 2: can understand it. You're saying, you just turn the other

1967
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Speaker 2: cheek or something to that extent that somebody spits on you.

1968
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Speaker 2: What about the the reaction? You know, it's just sort

1969
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Speaker 2: of automatic. You're gonna you know, you're gonna retaliate. How

1970
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Speaker 2: did you guys? And and and doctor Hamlin mentioned about discipline,

1971
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Speaker 2: But how did you achieve that? How much training? First

1972
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Speaker 2: of all, do you need to do that? Or and

1973
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Speaker 2: how do you can you do it? That You're not

1974
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Speaker 2: coming across as a wimp. The more the more they

1975
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Speaker 2: beat on you, the more they kick on you, and

1976
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Speaker 2: you more you ignore it, you gotta you're gonna get

1977
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Speaker 2: more of that. So how do you deal with those things?

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 17: As doctor Hamlin said, it's a discipline. And I think

1980
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Speaker 17: just the discussion that you're having now that my brother

1981
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Speaker 17: from Hamlin now having, that's not happening in my opinion

1982
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Speaker 17: today because people are too angry, so you don't get

1983
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Speaker 17: a chance to think about I mean, some of the

1984
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:54,720
Speaker 17: things that Kenon Hamlin just said has caused me to

1985
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Speaker 17: think even deeper about what what I went through and

1986
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 17: what andy it went through. But you know, the best

1987
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Speaker 17: model we have is Christians is Jesus.

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Speaker 4: You start.

1989
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Speaker 17: That's the starting point. But even for those who are

1990
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Speaker 17: quote non Christians, uh, there is I don't know how

1991
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Speaker 17: you have to take time to sit down and understand

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Speaker 17: that you're about to get your head knocked off or

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Speaker 17: you're just minding them to spit in your faith, that

1994
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Speaker 17: takes practice. So we practice with people saying nasty words

1995
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Speaker 17: about us, using bad language, calling us the in word,

1996
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Speaker 17: and it's sunk in that there's something beyond that, and

1997
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Speaker 17: it was our faith and understanding that there's something beyond

1998
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Speaker 17: nonviolence that we need to get to and we can

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Speaker 17: only get to that if we go through a training process.

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Speaker 11: I don't know what the.

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Speaker 17: No Kings people. I don't know what their training is,

2002
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Speaker 17: but it's a discipline that you must go.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 17: Doctor Hammlin is younger than I am. But the fact

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Speaker 17: that he and I can sit down and have the

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Speaker 17: conversation about the pros and cons of that, I don't

2007
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Speaker 17: see a lot of that happening today because we can't

2008
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Speaker 17: get beyond that madness and the anger. The other thing

2009
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Speaker 17: I want to make very very clear, it was not easy.

2010
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Speaker 17: It was not easy to be non violent. Just be

2011
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Speaker 17: clear about it was not an easy thing. I still

2012
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Speaker 17: remember the moment you've mentioned to me that when the

2013
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Speaker 17: person spat in my face, a lot of things came up.

2014
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Speaker 17: You know, I'm in the car right now with my

2015
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Speaker 17: oldest daughter and I would not be here with her

2016
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Speaker 17: had I responded the way you know, the clan wanted

2017
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Speaker 17: me to respond that day, because they would have they

2018
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Speaker 17: would beat me to death. So the reason I understood

2019
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Speaker 17: that is because I had been in the training with

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Speaker 17: Ambassador Young. We talked about what would happen, not just

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01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,760
Speaker 17: to me, but to all the other people who were

2022
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Speaker 17: in there with me at that time.

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Speaker 4: They were just weak.

2024
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Speaker 2: Let me tell me here, doctor Smith. Smith, let me

2025
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 2: tell me you first, because Tweeter says, that's the problem

2026
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 2: why we're not respected today because of what you fellas did,

2027
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 2: because you did not you did not respond when you

2028
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 2: were spat upon them and you were kicked and assaulted.

2029
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Speaker 2: You just you just sucked it up as magic down.

2030
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:19,560
Speaker 2: So you just say you just just you know, you

2031
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Speaker 2: wimped you wimped out on us. That's that's why we

2032
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 2: were as the people are not respected. Your response, I.

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Speaker 17: Have to tell you, I'm struggling this morning because I'm

2034
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 17: on my way to a friend cital. Friends is to

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Speaker 17: be able to panel and I'm just so inspired by

2036
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Speaker 17: the next generation, you know, the Reverend Hamlet's grandchildren in mind,

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Speaker 17: But I don't know quite how to put it in

2038
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Speaker 17: words because it seems so foreign today. But just think

2039
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 17: about your own personal relationships. Why do we always have

2040
01:51:57,439 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 17: to respond with anger at the first sevel given to us?

2041
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 17: What's And I think it's because of so much of

2042
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:07,479
Speaker 17: what the media does, what our practices. I mean, because

2043
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 17: before it happens in the hockey games and the football games,

2044
01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:15,639
Speaker 17: players after each other, where is the peaceful resolution? Why

2045
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:17,880
Speaker 17: is it always that I got to call your name

2046
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Speaker 17: or punch you or you know, get in your face.

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01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:23,920
Speaker 17: Why can't we learn how? And I believe we can

2048
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:29,519
Speaker 17: because that's what I learned, how to get centered. That's

2049
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 17: what the non violence taught me. To be centered and

2050
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 17: to be focused and moved beyond the saliva on my

2051
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:41,559
Speaker 17: face and even the face of the person who's spat

2052
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Speaker 17: upon me. That's a discipline. We need to learn how

2053
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:47,640
Speaker 17: to be more disciplined. That's where I am.

2054
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Speaker 2: All right, I got some folks want to talk to you,

2055
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:52,760
Speaker 2: and got some tweet questions for you as well. Let's

2056
01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 2: go for the Cliff in Connecticut is online.

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Speaker 9: Four.

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Speaker 2: We've got Reverend doctor Paul Smith and Kennon Lennont Hammling,

2059
01:52:58,040 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 2: two of Doctor King's disciples, for us this morning, this

2060
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Speaker 2: King Day, twenty twenty five. Cliff, grand rising and have

2061
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 2: a King Day. You're on with the doctor Smith and

2062
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 2: doctor Hamlin.

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Speaker 18: Hey, grand rise that family. I have a request followed

2064
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Speaker 18: by two questions, and my first request is, can you, gentlemen,

2065
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:17,680
Speaker 18: go into the issue of not only non violence, but

2066
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 18: the fact that Doctor King was a the Birmingham Letters.

2067
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Speaker 18: Please describe the Birmingham Letters, particularly as it relates to

2068
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Speaker 18: Black preachers. And then my two questions, was doctor King

2069
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:34,840
Speaker 18: a registered Republican? And then where did the day of

2070
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 18: service originate? Where did the day of service come from?

2071
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:41,960
Speaker 18: And again was doctor King a Republican? And then speak

2072
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 18: to the Birmingham letters as particularly as a relase to

2073
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 18: black preachers. Thanks for taking my call.

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01:53:47,439 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 17: I'll hang up.

2075
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:48,839
Speaker 18: Listen to your response.

2076
01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:50,960
Speaker 17: Go ahead, doctor Hamlin.

2077
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:57,400
Speaker 10: Certainly, the first of all, the most prominent, of course,

2078
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 10: letter that you are referring to, is the letter from

2079
01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:05,600
Speaker 10: the Birmingham Jail. That letter, of course, as he was

2080
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 10: in Birmingham, was written from the jail cell to speak

2081
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:13,679
Speaker 10: to not only white clergy but all clergy in terms

2082
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:16,479
Speaker 10: of our response in a moment like that, our response

2083
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 10: and so lifting you know, that letter was to make

2084
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:27,200
Speaker 10: certain that individuals were paying attention to not only what

2085
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 10: was going on, but that while some were calling for

2086
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 10: quiet and this was a wrong time, wrong place I'm

2087
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 10: paraphrasing broadly because of the sake of time, but of

2088
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:43,320
Speaker 10: time and place, that he was there because injustice was there,

2089
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 10: and so it was right to be there. It was

2090
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:51,000
Speaker 10: right to raise that. One of the great things about,

2091
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:54,360
Speaker 10: of course, doctor King in the non violence movement is

2092
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:57,120
Speaker 10: that as some are lining up. As I said, on

2093
01:54:57,320 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 10: the ends of this particular march, the anger has gotten

2094
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:06,680
Speaker 10: them and they say, hey, I'm not celebrating. There are

2095
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 10: those who are celebrating, and both sides are looking sometimes

2096
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 10: at each other saying that you ought to be doing

2097
01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 10: what I'm doing. There's something in the middle, and that's

2098
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 10: what doctor King was able to do to bring those

2099
01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 10: forces or those people who are operating, because, as doctor

2100
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 10: Smith is saying even right now, it's very hard for

2101
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 10: someone to not do anything if you're attacked, but you

2102
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 10: have to know you're doing something, and to understand in

2103
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:41,360
Speaker 10: this generation that we have in the moment, are we

2104
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:51,720
Speaker 10: giving them enough understanding of how to operate not only spiritually,

2105
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:56,600
Speaker 10: but politically economically. And if we look at doctor King,

2106
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 10: he attempted to do all of that with men such

2107
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:02,600
Speaker 10: as Smith, doctor Smith and the others who and an

2108
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:06,120
Speaker 10: ambassador young who was sitting around the table, and these

2109
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 10: were all part of the understandings. It's not one thing,

2110
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Speaker 10: it's all of those things.

2111
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Speaker 4: I can't speak to.

2112
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:14,920
Speaker 10: Maybe doctor Smith, you can speak to his political affiliation,

2113
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:18,800
Speaker 10: but I know he would sat sit down with whoever

2114
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:19,720
Speaker 10: he sat down.

2115
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Speaker 17: Before, whether he was a Democrat, or Republican had no

2116
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Speaker 17: no baron on this conversation. And it doesn't mean it

2117
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:32,680
Speaker 17: meaning that. It really doesn't because at that at that point,

2118
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:35,720
Speaker 17: you know, I was in the White House when the

2119
01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:38,520
Speaker 17: Vorian Wrights Act was that. I was there with doctor

2120
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Speaker 17: Keene Lyndon Johnson, and you know, as a youngster, but

2121
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 17: I remember that the importance of that that I had

2122
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 17: to be there. I was a young pastor and I

2123
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:53,760
Speaker 17: needed to understand the significance of what it meant to

2124
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 17: have a vote. And when I was in those margins

2125
01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 17: and watched those people standing on on those streets in

2126
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 17: Birmingham and and Selma just being happy that we were

2127
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 17: there to help them. I never will forget their faces

2128
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:11,120
Speaker 17: because they knew that we were there for them, and

2129
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:14,400
Speaker 17: they were there for us. We were getting on buses

2130
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 17: and planes to go back to where we came from.

2131
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:20,440
Speaker 17: They had to stay. So when you have to stay,

2132
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:24,800
Speaker 17: you got to stay with something more than your anger

2133
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:28,760
Speaker 17: and then your then your madness. And for us at

2134
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:32,920
Speaker 17: that point it was nonviolish. I'm not saying that Doctor

2135
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 17: Pamilton said, it's a multiple things that we need right now,

2136
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Speaker 17: but it's hard to get to that because there's no discipline.

2137
01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 17: But you know, when teams get together, they have a

2138
01:57:44,280 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 17: long series of practices about how to deal with other Why.

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Speaker 11: Not do that with the movement.

2140
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:52,360
Speaker 17: Why don't we have a you know, a session, you know,

2141
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Speaker 17: maybe a five month session where we learned how to

2142
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,640
Speaker 17: be nonvited on the football field or on the basketball court.

2143
01:57:58,520 --> 01:58:00,720
Speaker 17: That's what we did in the in the sessions with

2144
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:04,960
Speaker 17: Andy and others, because we were right there understanding that

2145
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:08,120
Speaker 17: not only was it that, but it was our faith again.

2146
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:11,040
Speaker 17: You know, I'm not where I am. I mean, I

2147
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:14,240
Speaker 17: trust my life with God. I'm ninety years old now,

2148
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 17: so I got a lot to be thankful for. But

2149
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 17: I know that I'm here to be sitting here with

2150
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:24,800
Speaker 17: my with my oldest daughter being a part of this conversation,

2151
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 17: and her daughter, my granddaughter, is waiting.

2152
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Speaker 4: For us to come and figure her.

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01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:35,000
Speaker 17: I'm here because I learned that there was still, as

2154
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:39,080
Speaker 17: the scripture said, another way, another way to do it,

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Speaker 17: and non viind for that way.

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Speaker 11: In my time.

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Speaker 17: It may be something different, but I don't see it.

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01:58:44,600 --> 01:58:46,160
Speaker 17: I don't see it happening right now.

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Speaker 2: I asked my question. I was going to ask you,

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01:58:49,200 --> 01:58:51,520
Speaker 2: doctor Smith twenty seven minutes away from the top of

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Speaker 2: the How is the energy different from in the sixties.

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01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:57,480
Speaker 2: Is it because the situation is different. It seems like

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01:58:57,560 --> 01:59:00,600
Speaker 2: you guys were more more active, more to it seems

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01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 2: we've been more more subdued or submissively, if you will.

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Speaker 2: I can't think of the world. It's stuck any air

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Speaker 2: show or something like that. You know where I'm going

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01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:10,200
Speaker 2: with it, Doctor Smith. Yeah, do you feel that change?

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Speaker 17: You're absolutely correct, there is a change now. I remember

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01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 17: we didn't have the media, so that's different. The other

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01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:21,680
Speaker 17: difference is that we did this. We were added every day.

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01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 17: We didn't have you know, the King's Day one you know,

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01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:27,800
Speaker 17: King's Day one month and then you know a couple

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01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:29,640
Speaker 17: of months later we did it. We had to do

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Speaker 17: it every day. They're beating them bus every day, so

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01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:34,480
Speaker 17: we didn't have time to take off to you know,

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01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:36,920
Speaker 17: figure that out. We did a lot of stuff late

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Speaker 17: at night. You have to know that we had a

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Speaker 17: lot of planning. And remember we were not doing this

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Speaker 17: by our so uh. It was ry Bi Hesho and A.

2180
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:50,560
Speaker 17: Theodore Hesburg, president of the University Notre Dame, and doctor Kings.

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01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:55,160
Speaker 17: Those three strategized day in and day out, and they

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01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:59,000
Speaker 17: had differences of opinion, but when we were public, when

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01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:02,160
Speaker 17: they went public, they led us because we knew that

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Speaker 17: they had been up late at night helping each other

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Speaker 17: to understand why it was important for the Catholics and

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Speaker 17: the Jews, the Christians to be together in this front.

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Speaker 17: I don't see that happening, But it wasn't. We had

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Speaker 17: no time off, We had no days off to just

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Speaker 17: talk about it. We were added every day because we

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Speaker 17: couldn't afford to take any time off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but those coalitions that you talked about, they don't

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Speaker 2: seem to be working today. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm

2193
02:00:29,480 --> 02:00:31,960
Speaker 2: not in the space that you are in or can

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Speaker 2: of Hamling is. But for most of us folks who

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Speaker 2: are here on the radio here, they don't see those

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Speaker 2: coalitions with the Jewish community and the other Catholic and

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Speaker 2: the other communities, with Hispanics. Wel you see like we're

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Speaker 2: out there by ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 4: Or what? You know?

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Speaker 10: You're go ahead, damning No, I was going to say that.

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Speaker 10: You know, I'm certain just as you're saying, the ability

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Speaker 10: to be able to see it, they're working in certain areas.

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02:00:59,120 --> 02:01:03,600
Speaker 10: The cohesiveness, as doctor Smith has said, is different, today

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02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:09,160
Speaker 10: because when we look at how everyone is not, of

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Speaker 10: course concentrated in certain communities or neighborhoods, or churches and

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Speaker 10: particular gatherings. But there's work to be done, and there

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Speaker 10: are those who are in the conversation. I'm on my

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Speaker 10: way this morning to George Washington University to be part

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Speaker 10: of a panel, an interfaith panel with you know, their Buddhists,

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Speaker 10: there's the Jewish, is of course Muslim, and we're working

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Speaker 10: and talking all the time. It may not be seen

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Speaker 10: or talked about in those ways. I think what may

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Speaker 10: have been part it was you know years ago, is

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Speaker 10: not only was there a different as we know, cultural atmosphere,

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Speaker 10: but also too it was so refreshing and novel at

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02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:02,120
Speaker 10: that time to hear about everybody being drawn together, pushed

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Speaker 10: together because of the circumstances. And so as we talk

2219
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Speaker 10: about individuals today really getting a part or understanding and

2220
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:14,680
Speaker 10: becoming involved in this, is that they understand the ideals

2221
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Speaker 10: what we're working on. This is not a movement so

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Speaker 10: that we can have larger cars or just economics. This

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Speaker 10: is about humanity, how we see each other as brothers

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02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:28,360
Speaker 10: and sisters across these dividing lines that sometimes we're still

2225
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Speaker 10: holding on to to you know, identify certain demographics or

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Speaker 10: to operate in certain ways. We need to move beyond

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Speaker 10: these lines. I know that's an ideal, but it is

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Speaker 10: the aspirational ideas that continue to cause us to stand

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Speaker 10: up a little bit straighter, to reach a little bit farther,

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Speaker 10: to fight a little bit longer. That these are eternal,

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Speaker 10: not just temporary ideals. But how do we work on

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Speaker 10: beloved community?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hole, that thought right there. I know Doctor Smith

2234
02:02:58,560 --> 02:02:59,920
Speaker 2: wants to respond, but we got take a short pen.

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02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:01,680
Speaker 2: When we come back, I'll let get his responsible with

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02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:03,280
Speaker 2: some folks. Want to talk to you. Got some tweet

2237
02:03:03,320 --> 02:03:05,880
Speaker 2: questions for you, fellas. He's just checking in family twenty

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Speaker 2: three minutes away from the top of the Reverend Doctor

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Speaker 2: Paul Smith and Kenon Leonard Hanling, two of Doctor King's disciples.

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Speaker 2: As we celebrate King Day twenty twenty five. You want

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Speaker 2: to speak to them, reach out to us at eight

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Speaker 2: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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Speaker 2: we'll take your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising family

2244
02:03:21,200 --> 02:03:23,120
Speaker 2: and Happy King Day at nineteen minutes away from the

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Speaker 2: top of the hour with two of Doctor King's disciples

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Speaker 2: Reverend doctor Paul Smith, and Kennon Leonard Hamlin. Before go

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Speaker 2: back to that, let me just shout out one of

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Speaker 2: our one of our power talkers at doctor j doctor

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Speaker 2: Lennon Jeffers. Today's his Earth day. He's eighty nine years

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Speaker 2: young today. So those of you know doctor Leonard Jefferies

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Speaker 2: and reach out to him and wish him happy birthday.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Paul Smith, you wanted to respond to to the question, let.

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Speaker 17: Me take a moment just to save it. Think about

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02:03:48,920 --> 02:03:52,440
Speaker 17: this is something that's very pricive. How many times did

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Speaker 17: the last week have you said forgive me, I'm sorry?

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Speaker 17: Think about that? How many have you done that? Think

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Speaker 17: about how many times do you have or have not

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02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:05,280
Speaker 17: done that, or how your anger just jumped at something

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02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:08,040
Speaker 17: your spouse said to you, or somebody bumped you on

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02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:10,800
Speaker 17: the subway. How many sign have you just stopped to

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02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:14,960
Speaker 17: think for that one nano second. Suppose I just say

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Speaker 17: I'm sorry. That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: That's if you.

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Speaker 17: Can't do that, you don't understand what we went through

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Speaker 17: in the movement.

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Speaker 1: You had to.

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Speaker 17: It was in those moments, whereas as some of the

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Speaker 17: little songs, something got hold of me that made me say,

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Speaker 17: I'm sorry, there's another way to look at this. I

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Speaker 17: hear what you're saying. I want to understand what your

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Speaker 17: point of view. We don't do enough of that because

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Speaker 17: we're so quick to anger. We're just quick to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but doctor Smith, let me ask you. This, wasn't

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Speaker 2: there at least one person in the group that says,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going with that. I'm there, spin on me.

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Speaker 2: I'm going I'm gonna rip their heads out. You tell

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Speaker 2: me all the brothers a compliant complete with that, with

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Speaker 2: what was going on. Not one of me says, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna strike back, brother.

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Speaker 17: No, there were some of charbe and we put them out.

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Speaker 17: They because they were going to get all of us killed.

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02:05:14,760 --> 02:05:18,080
Speaker 17: We couldn't have someone like that. And they revealed themselves

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Speaker 17: pretty early in the training. That's why the training is important.

2284
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:25,360
Speaker 17: You can weed out those who really can't handle that.

2285
02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:27,640
Speaker 17: And there were a number of people who said, I

2286
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Speaker 17: can't do this. I cannot do this, And that's the

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Speaker 17: problem where we are now. I cannot do this, and.

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Speaker 4: The scripture says, why do you call me lord lord?

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Speaker 17: And do not the things I command?

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Speaker 10: That's where we are.

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Speaker 4: We can't do it.

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Speaker 17: We just can't do it. And that was the beauty

2293
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:51,120
Speaker 17: of it was. It was really spiritual. Remember I told

2294
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Speaker 17: you that we didn't get off the bus and go

2295
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:57,000
Speaker 17: right to the to the UH the demonstration. We had

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Speaker 17: to go to the church first. Who had to talk

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Speaker 17: to Jesus. We had to sing some songs and he

2298
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Speaker 17: used to say, in the movement, we always had a song.

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Speaker 4: Where are the songs?

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Speaker 17: Where's the music? Where is the creativity that inspires your moves?

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Speaker 17: You beyond your momentary anger? That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, gotcha, We got some folks want to talk to you, fellas.

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Speaker 2: So sixteen away from the top there, let's go to

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Speaker 2: West Palm Beach in Florida. Carl's there, he's online. One

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Speaker 2: grand Rising, Happy king Day, Carl. A question for Reverend

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Speaker 2: Doctor Paul Smith and Canon Lennon Hamlin Junior Senior and.

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Speaker 14: Heffy Kyne's brother, car and family. And I just wanted

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Speaker 14: to add to the equation with us having the opportunity

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Speaker 14: to have a person like Tyrone Powell, who was a

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Speaker 14: person that was in there and then come back and

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Speaker 14: really explained to us about the county in Telpro and

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Speaker 14: we all understand that Jaegerhubu was looking amongst the black

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Speaker 14: community and the black population here in America, looking for

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Speaker 14: the Messiah. And we also understand that America has a

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Speaker 14: domestic policy and they picked their leaders just like they're

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Speaker 14: doing in Venezuela, live here and Somali and most of

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Speaker 14: the time, we haven't.

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Speaker 11: Grew as of yet.

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Speaker 14: My question is, you know, Malcolm reported that there was

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Speaker 14: some money that was appropriated by the government and it

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Speaker 14: was split up by some leaders inside of the black community,

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Speaker 14: and they took the money. And when I think about it,

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Speaker 14: it's like Nova Kane. They keep everybody from from from

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Speaker 14: even being together and learning together. And I was just

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Speaker 14: wondering how the job factor in the domestic policy of

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Speaker 14: the United States government. And with the words of Jaigar Hoover,

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Speaker 14: and as we look now today, we'll watching it happen

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Speaker 14: around the world. And do y'all put that in your

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Speaker 14: conversation and do you put the money that Malcolm talked

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Speaker 14: about in your conversation? That's my question, Thank you.

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Speaker 10: I don't go ahead, go ahead of Cameron, but yeah,

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Speaker 10: I was going to say, you know, certainly there was

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Speaker 10: one particular I think call of that was, you know,

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Speaker 10: even talking about the letter to the Birmingham Jail, and

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Speaker 10: I encourage everyone to go back and read that for

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Speaker 10: a number of reasons. But one of the community pieces

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Speaker 10: in there was when he talked about the different steps

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Speaker 10: to nonviolence. One of the first steps was is that,

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Speaker 10: of course, you understand the facts of what's going on.

2340
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Speaker 10: I appreciate what was brought up or to talk about

2341
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Speaker 10: as we're talking about the economics or the government policies.

2342
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Speaker 10: They understood the facts and so we can't run from

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Speaker 10: the truth or what's there. Certainly there are going to

2344
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Speaker 10: be people operating in different ways, but you make a

2345
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Speaker 10: great point that when we are involved in these conversations,

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Speaker 10: they have to involve all aspects of what is taking place.

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Speaker 10: We have to be honest about them. We have to

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Speaker 10: be telling the truth about them. We have to recognize

2349
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Speaker 10: what's going on in order that we can address it. Otherwise, Uh,

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Speaker 10: you're correct. There are those who would look at it

2351
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Speaker 10: and say, you know, those efforts could be at its worst,

2352
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Speaker 10: hypocritical or they're deceiving. But King himself in that letter

2353
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Speaker 10: said one of the first steps, the last step, of course,

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Speaker 10: being direct action, and his direct action he was calling

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Speaker 10: his direct action non violence because they saw it as

2356
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Speaker 10: confronting evil, confronting the hate, confronting the policies, confronting the

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Speaker 10: economic injustice that was there, that all of that was

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Speaker 10: done through that, and so that that takes time, which

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Speaker 10: we live in this immediate and you know, cultural time

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Speaker 10: of immediacy where everything is expected to happen right away.

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Speaker 10: And they understood that they were in a on a ernie.

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Speaker 10: Certainly we've heard it many times before and we said

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Speaker 10: that we come a long way, but we've got a

2364
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:10,520
Speaker 10: long way to go. They understood that it was going

2365
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Speaker 10: to take time, that we continue to do it. Not

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02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:17,520
Speaker 10: time wasted, but time where every moment, as doctor Smith

2367
02:10:17,680 --> 02:10:21,440
Speaker 10: was saying, every day that we were at it, and

2368
02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:25,120
Speaker 10: the cultural influencers were there, they were pushing it even greater.

2369
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:27,280
Speaker 4: Because we the door.

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02:10:27,160 --> 02:10:31,040
Speaker 10: Has been opened, we have some progress and economic success.

2371
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:35,360
Speaker 10: What the challenge we have today is that we're still

2372
02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:38,920
Speaker 10: about the work. We're still about carrying out the work

2373
02:10:39,040 --> 02:10:41,680
Speaker 10: in this moment and realizing there's a lot.

2374
02:10:41,560 --> 02:10:42,280
Speaker 4: More to be done.

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02:10:43,600 --> 02:10:45,760
Speaker 2: All right, Family ten away from tough cannon Let and

2376
02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:48,840
Speaker 2: Hamling Senior us who's just spoken the Reverend Doctor Paul Smith,

2377
02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:51,960
Speaker 2: to have doctor King's disciples joining us this morning as

2378
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:54,160
Speaker 2: we commemorate King Day. What are your thoughts? I know

2379
02:10:54,240 --> 02:10:56,520
Speaker 2: people going out to parades, breakfasts, then they're going out

2380
02:10:56,560 --> 02:11:00,200
Speaker 2: to dinners and lunches and discussing Doctor Monictha King and

2381
02:11:00,280 --> 02:11:03,680
Speaker 2: his legacy eight four five zero seventy eight seventy six.

2382
02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:06,840
Speaker 2: Though is calling from Washington, DC's on like two grand

2383
02:11:06,920 --> 02:11:10,080
Speaker 2: rising Dog. You're on with Reverend Smith and Reverend Hamlet.

2384
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:12,280
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

2385
02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:16,720
Speaker 19: I would just like to quote Malcolm just briefly when

2386
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:24,440
Speaker 19: he said, by any means necessary, you guys are listening right, Yes, yes, okay,

2387
02:11:24,680 --> 02:11:28,800
Speaker 19: by any means necessarily doesn't By any means necessary doesn't

2388
02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:36,160
Speaker 19: mean nonviolence. Only non violence has its place, and so

2389
02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:42,880
Speaker 19: does violence. We have to keep it real. The Vietnamese

2390
02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:49,200
Speaker 19: struggle general job. Not all of their missions were about

2391
02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:51,040
Speaker 19: coming home alive.

2392
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:54,640
Speaker 4: I'll leave it there, have a good day.

2393
02:11:56,280 --> 02:11:59,480
Speaker 10: If I could respond to that, I certainly want that that.

2394
02:12:00,240 --> 02:12:03,840
Speaker 10: Of course, listener to understand that in stating what has

2395
02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:07,920
Speaker 10: been stated, it was not to exclude we spoke about

2396
02:12:07,960 --> 02:12:10,720
Speaker 10: early the legs of the stool. This is one leg

2397
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:14,880
Speaker 10: of the stool. He certainly speaks about another. So you know,

2398
02:12:15,120 --> 02:12:18,800
Speaker 10: it's not to diminish or to say that it's the

2399
02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:19,520
Speaker 10: only way.

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02:12:20,080 --> 02:12:20,200
Speaker 8: Uh.

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02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:23,000
Speaker 10: Certainly there are those who have their perspective, and he

2402
02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:26,200
Speaker 10: is correct about that. You know, even as we're talking

2403
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:30,040
Speaker 10: about you know, Martin Luther King, and he's raising uh,

2404
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:34,840
Speaker 10: you know, another voice in terms of Malcolm X. One

2405
02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:38,320
Speaker 10: of the things that always I think about, even even

2406
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:42,880
Speaker 10: Nelson Mandela is he was of course working on behalf

2407
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:45,960
Speaker 10: of those in South Africa. You know, when he made

2408
02:12:46,120 --> 02:12:49,840
Speaker 10: his speech, one of his long speeches that I often

2409
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:53,360
Speaker 10: wrestle with is that, and I'm paraphrasing a little bit.

2410
02:12:53,440 --> 02:12:56,760
Speaker 10: But during his lifetime, his struggle, he said, listen, he

2411
02:12:57,160 --> 02:13:00,879
Speaker 10: fought against white domination and he was fighting against black domination.

2412
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:04,360
Speaker 10: But in that he says what he cherished was the

2413
02:13:04,600 --> 02:13:09,520
Speaker 10: ideal of an a democratic and a free society. And

2414
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:12,920
Speaker 10: in that he had these final words where he says,

2415
02:13:13,280 --> 02:13:17,800
Speaker 10: but if need be, it is an ideal for which

2416
02:13:17,880 --> 02:13:20,960
Speaker 10: I am prepared to die. And so that is not

2417
02:13:21,400 --> 02:13:24,800
Speaker 10: that is not lifted, and it certainly was not left

2418
02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:29,160
Speaker 10: out of King's discussion. Even on the night he says,

2419
02:13:29,320 --> 02:13:31,400
Speaker 10: like any man, I would love to live a long life.

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02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:34,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we are a.

2421
02:13:34,120 --> 02:13:38,200
Speaker 10: People in the hopeful part, the faithful part, the visionary part.

2422
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:41,680
Speaker 10: We will get to the promised land. So I hear

2423
02:13:41,800 --> 02:13:44,640
Speaker 10: what was just stated. It is part of the conversation.

2424
02:13:45,160 --> 02:13:47,480
Speaker 10: It is not to the gate what has been said.

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02:13:48,760 --> 02:13:53,520
Speaker 2: I agree to yes, ate away from the topic. Doug Smith,

2426
02:13:53,600 --> 02:13:56,280
Speaker 2: that you were with doctor King at times. Did was

2427
02:13:56,360 --> 02:13:58,840
Speaker 2: he aware that he had people who was trying to

2428
02:13:58,840 --> 02:14:02,640
Speaker 2: sell him out, trying trying, you know, give out information

2429
02:14:02,760 --> 02:14:05,200
Speaker 2: on him? Was he concerned or because we didn't know

2430
02:14:05,240 --> 02:14:08,080
Speaker 2: about coin shell pro and chill after and way after,

2431
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:11,360
Speaker 2: was he concerned that he couldn't trust everybody that was

2432
02:14:11,440 --> 02:14:11,920
Speaker 2: around him.

2433
02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:15,120
Speaker 17: Of course, of course he knew that. But what he

2434
02:14:15,320 --> 02:14:18,840
Speaker 17: had to do, and then Andy can certainly testify to

2435
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:22,280
Speaker 17: that what he had to do is to be himself,

2436
02:14:22,920 --> 02:14:26,760
Speaker 17: to be used by the creator, to trust those that

2437
02:14:27,000 --> 02:14:30,880
Speaker 17: he really needed to do what needed to get He

2438
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:32,680
Speaker 17: knew he couldn't do it by himself.

2439
02:14:33,120 --> 02:14:34,320
Speaker 4: He was not perfect.

2440
02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:39,040
Speaker 17: None of us are perfect. But doctor Hamlin is my pastor.

2441
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:40,960
Speaker 17: When I'm in trouble, I.

2442
02:14:41,080 --> 02:14:41,720
Speaker 11: Go to him.

2443
02:14:41,800 --> 02:14:44,720
Speaker 17: When I'm in need, I go to him. And Doctor

2444
02:14:44,840 --> 02:14:48,360
Speaker 17: King had several people who he did that with. Mordecai

2445
02:14:48,520 --> 02:14:52,080
Speaker 17: Johnson was one of those persons I know, the Harry Belafonte,

2446
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:55,560
Speaker 17: Sidney Portier, he had a lot of confidence, and particularly

2447
02:14:55,920 --> 02:15:00,680
Speaker 17: Sidney Portier, Sidney Poitier played a specific role keeping Doctor

2448
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:04,000
Speaker 17: King together and making him aware of the vicissitudes that

2449
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:07,600
Speaker 17: were out there waiting for him. All the accusations about him.

2450
02:15:07,960 --> 02:15:12,000
Speaker 17: He lived through that because his inner circle, his inner

2451
02:15:12,120 --> 02:15:16,280
Speaker 17: circle kept him together. And I'm just blessed to be

2452
02:15:16,360 --> 02:15:19,320
Speaker 17: a part of doctor Hamler's inner circle. So he keeps

2453
02:15:19,480 --> 02:15:22,240
Speaker 17: me together, he keeps me grounded. If you don't have

2454
02:15:22,400 --> 02:15:24,760
Speaker 17: some place where you can get grounded, you're going to be.

2455
02:15:24,760 --> 02:15:25,440
Speaker 4: In big trouble.

2456
02:15:26,040 --> 02:15:28,680
Speaker 2: All right. Let me ask Reverend Hamler this question though

2457
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:31,520
Speaker 2: at the point back in those days, because some people

2458
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:35,320
Speaker 2: in the church were against Doctor Kings. They call himself Christians,

2459
02:15:35,400 --> 02:15:37,800
Speaker 2: call themselfs Black, but they were opposed to Doctor King,

2460
02:15:38,320 --> 02:15:41,240
Speaker 2: and some folks when they found that out the generation afterwards,

2461
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:44,920
Speaker 2: it's just what they Wow, they shocked when you found out?

2462
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:46,200
Speaker 2: Were you shocked as well?

2463
02:15:47,400 --> 02:15:47,600
Speaker 4: Yes?

2464
02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:50,920
Speaker 10: You know, you you grow up. That's a great point

2465
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:54,760
Speaker 10: guard because you grow up believing and almost hearing that

2466
02:15:55,240 --> 02:16:01,080
Speaker 10: everyone was there and that everyone was for him. You know,

2467
02:16:01,240 --> 02:16:06,280
Speaker 10: I was really blessed enough to grow up in Brooklyn,

2468
02:16:06,400 --> 02:16:10,440
Speaker 10: New York, where during that time there were as it

2469
02:16:10,520 --> 02:16:16,160
Speaker 10: has sometimes been characterized, a wonderful constellation of pastors and preachers.

2470
02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:21,320
Speaker 10: And and so you did it to some degree, hear

2471
02:16:21,400 --> 02:16:24,440
Speaker 10: about those who are aligned or supportive and those who

2472
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:30,120
Speaker 10: were not because of the different conventions groups as they

2473
02:16:30,200 --> 02:16:34,880
Speaker 10: aligned during that time in the conversations. But I was

2474
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:40,480
Speaker 10: also fortunate enough to be around individuals, men such as

2475
02:16:40,560 --> 02:16:45,480
Speaker 10: doctor Smith and others who held onto the ideals.

2476
02:16:46,040 --> 02:16:46,800
Speaker 4: It didn't get.

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02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:51,640
Speaker 10: To just you know, common things, but to lift the

2478
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:57,680
Speaker 10: ideals high enough that you recognize the facts that there

2479
02:16:57,760 --> 02:17:03,400
Speaker 10: were those who were working for those who were not

2480
02:17:03,600 --> 02:17:07,840
Speaker 10: so much are even working against I think as you grow,

2481
02:17:07,959 --> 02:17:10,640
Speaker 10: and this is why it's important to raise and your

2482
02:17:10,760 --> 02:17:13,480
Speaker 10: show that to talk about all of the different aspects

2483
02:17:13,720 --> 02:17:17,040
Speaker 10: the facts, how there were those who were working against

2484
02:17:17,360 --> 02:17:20,720
Speaker 10: that we're prepared in this moment. Let's let's there there

2485
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:23,480
Speaker 10: are those who do not want to see progress right

2486
02:17:23,640 --> 02:17:27,120
Speaker 10: now at work. We're living in a time right now

2487
02:17:27,640 --> 02:17:30,400
Speaker 10: where we're hearing and we've got to be honest about

2488
02:17:30,440 --> 02:17:35,400
Speaker 10: that that there are those who want to repeal and

2489
02:17:35,640 --> 02:17:40,920
Speaker 10: to draw back progress, who want to return to days

2490
02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:43,920
Speaker 10: that are held up as the good old days or

2491
02:17:43,959 --> 02:17:47,600
Speaker 10: the great days where everyone did not have the well,

2492
02:17:47,600 --> 02:17:50,560
Speaker 10: it's right. There was even the statement that was recently

2493
02:17:50,840 --> 02:17:56,520
Speaker 10: made by our president who talked about here that you

2494
02:17:56,600 --> 02:18:00,480
Speaker 10: know a certain that white people suffered because of civil

2495
02:18:00,600 --> 02:18:06,520
Speaker 10: rights advancements. Those kind of conversations, they're probably surprising for

2496
02:18:06,640 --> 02:18:09,199
Speaker 10: some or to recognize. There are probably some who would

2497
02:18:09,240 --> 02:18:12,720
Speaker 10: agree or to say, let's not rock the boat too much.

2498
02:18:12,879 --> 02:18:16,160
Speaker 10: All of these conversations take place in every generation. They're

2499
02:18:17,600 --> 02:18:21,760
Speaker 10: present in all aspects of periods of humanity, and we

2500
02:18:21,959 --> 02:18:23,720
Speaker 10: need to talk about them now so we know what

2501
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:24,920
Speaker 10: to do in a moment like that.

2502
02:18:26,040 --> 02:18:27,560
Speaker 2: All right, come up on a break. But I asked

2503
02:18:27,640 --> 02:18:30,119
Speaker 2: both of you fellas, how should we commemorate that. I'll

2504
02:18:30,120 --> 02:18:31,800
Speaker 2: tell you what. Let's say the break is. I know

2505
02:18:31,879 --> 02:18:33,120
Speaker 2: both of you got to run, so we make it

2506
02:18:33,160 --> 02:18:35,280
Speaker 2: short when you get back three minutes away from the

2507
02:18:35,360 --> 02:18:37,440
Speaker 2: top they are. But the question is that you can

2508
02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:39,560
Speaker 2: think about it during the break. What should we do?

2509
02:18:39,680 --> 02:18:42,000
Speaker 2: How should we commemorate this day, this holiday? What would

2510
02:18:42,040 --> 02:18:44,360
Speaker 2: you like to see black people do? Family, you want

2511
02:18:44,360 --> 02:18:45,840
Speaker 2: to join us? We got on the special guest coming

2512
02:18:45,879 --> 02:18:48,160
Speaker 2: up later as well to talk about doctor King. So

2513
02:18:48,320 --> 02:18:50,760
Speaker 2: keep this number handy eight hundred and four five zero

2514
02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:54,080
Speaker 2: seventy eight seventy six. Take your phone calls at station's

2515
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:56,280
Speaker 2: identify to them, sales down the line, per the FCC

2516
02:18:56,560 --> 02:18:58,000
Speaker 2: your calls the next It's.

2517
02:18:57,879 --> 02:19:02,119
Speaker 10: A great question of how we should talk about him.

2518
02:19:02,440 --> 02:19:05,040
Speaker 10: Doctor King made it plain himself. He said, when you

2519
02:19:05,080 --> 02:19:08,039
Speaker 10: speak about me, and we don't speak this way enough,

2520
02:19:08,520 --> 02:19:14,360
Speaker 10: he says, I'm a drum major for justice, he himself,

2521
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:15,560
Speaker 10: and so you're right.

2522
02:19:15,879 --> 02:19:18,000
Speaker 12: There are many who will say, you know, let's talk

2523
02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:22,560
Speaker 12: about the dreamer, the dreamer, which has been the uh,

2524
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:26,520
Speaker 12: of course backlash and appropriate at times to say that

2525
02:19:26,680 --> 02:19:31,520
Speaker 12: we have sort of a sanitized or to the calm

2526
02:19:31,720 --> 02:19:34,360
Speaker 12: King and just to talk about him as a dreamer.

2527
02:19:34,760 --> 02:19:37,840
Speaker 12: But he said himself, I'm a drum major for justice,

2528
02:19:38,120 --> 02:19:41,160
Speaker 12: and so if we just honor what he asked, what

2529
02:19:41,360 --> 02:19:43,560
Speaker 12: he asked, let's talk about him that way.

2530
02:19:45,440 --> 02:19:47,880
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank and thank both of you. Thank you

2531
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:49,879
Speaker 2: for sharing because you know this is this is important.

2532
02:19:50,320 --> 02:19:52,240
Speaker 2: The stories that you share with our young people we

2533
02:19:52,680 --> 02:19:56,080
Speaker 2: cannot get in anywhere else. And here from your you

2534
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,680
Speaker 2: know from your mouth that you were there. You guys

2535
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:02,240
Speaker 2: are there, and and the generation with doctor King, some

2536
02:20:02,360 --> 02:20:05,360
Speaker 2: of us still, you know, sort of confounded how you

2537
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:09,680
Speaker 2: embrace that nonviolence stance that Doctor King talked about, because

2538
02:20:09,720 --> 02:20:11,520
Speaker 2: many of us can't do that. I'll be honest, I'm

2539
02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:12,920
Speaker 2: not one of those who can do that as well.

2540
02:20:13,640 --> 02:20:16,360
Speaker 2: You know, he's despite all the trainings that you say,

2541
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:18,480
Speaker 2: but I'll be honest, I don't think I could do it.

2542
02:20:18,760 --> 02:20:21,800
Speaker 2: So Doctor Smith, I'm just just thankful and thank you

2543
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:24,080
Speaker 2: for sharing that with us, and of course I you

2544
02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:27,040
Speaker 2: as well, Canon Leonard Hamlin Senior. So thank you fellers

2545
02:20:27,080 --> 02:20:28,880
Speaker 2: for joining us, and thank you for the information you

2546
02:20:29,000 --> 02:20:30,000
Speaker 2: shared with us this morning.

2547
02:20:30,920 --> 02:20:31,280
Speaker 1: Thank you.

2548
02:20:33,320 --> 02:20:37,199
Speaker 2: All right, family, that's Reverend doctor Paul Smith, Canon Leonard Hamlin,

2549
02:20:37,640 --> 02:20:40,199
Speaker 2: some of the Doctor King's disciples and teaching us about

2550
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:42,160
Speaker 2: what Doctor King how he got over and telling the

2551
02:20:42,200 --> 02:20:44,039
Speaker 2: folks to be this non violence. And of course they

2552
02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:47,480
Speaker 2: equated what's going on in Minneapolis today with ice, and

2553
02:20:47,959 --> 02:20:50,240
Speaker 2: you know they said what they said. But anyway, let's

2554
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:52,200
Speaker 2: bring in another call. They got a mischie caller coming

2555
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:55,800
Speaker 2: on now. I want to get his thoughts about Doctor King.

2556
02:20:55,959 --> 02:20:59,280
Speaker 2: A mischief caller, Grand Rising, Happy King Day, welcome back

2557
02:20:59,280 --> 02:20:59,880
Speaker 2: to the program.

2558
02:21:03,040 --> 02:21:04,000
Speaker 11: And who would that be, sir?

2559
02:21:05,360 --> 02:21:08,440
Speaker 2: That would be one Mark from Anaheim out.

2560
02:21:10,080 --> 02:21:14,000
Speaker 11: Do you realize it's like not even a break of

2561
02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:21,000
Speaker 11: dawn on the West Coast. Good morning listeners, Happy Martin

2562
02:21:21,080 --> 02:21:25,160
Speaker 11: Luther King Junior Day. Just when I thought I was out,

2563
02:21:25,959 --> 02:21:32,560
Speaker 11: Carl Nelson brings me back in again. But it's for

2564
02:21:33,400 --> 02:21:37,920
Speaker 11: definitely for good reasons, and in memory of Dick Gregory.

2565
02:21:38,480 --> 02:21:40,160
Speaker 11: You know, for some of you out there who don't know,

2566
02:21:40,240 --> 02:21:43,360
Speaker 11: you know, Dick Gregory helped several people write books about

2567
02:21:44,280 --> 02:21:49,720
Speaker 11: Martin Luther King Junior's life and assassination investigation. And I

2568
02:21:49,879 --> 02:21:53,600
Speaker 11: have some personal experiences directly related to the King family

2569
02:21:53,720 --> 02:21:57,039
Speaker 11: that you know I could share with the listeners this morning,

2570
02:21:57,120 --> 02:22:00,480
Speaker 11: but hopefully the callers out there were all in and

2571
02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:03,240
Speaker 11: tell us what Martin Luther King Junior Day means to you.

2572
02:22:04,959 --> 02:22:05,080
Speaker 20: Now.

2573
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:07,879
Speaker 11: Just one of the things I talked to mister Nelson

2574
02:22:09,080 --> 02:22:14,680
Speaker 11: this past weekend. In nineteen ninety four, I was on

2575
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:18,800
Speaker 11: the air live with mister Nelson here in LA because

2576
02:22:18,840 --> 02:22:23,000
Speaker 11: it was Martin Luther King Junior Day, and I told

2577
02:22:23,080 --> 02:22:26,640
Speaker 11: mister Nelson, I said, you know, there are a lot

2578
02:22:26,680 --> 02:22:31,480
Speaker 11: of people this morning who despise Martin Luther King Junior

2579
02:22:32,200 --> 02:22:37,039
Speaker 11: never supported the idea of a King holiday. And yet

2580
02:22:37,160 --> 02:22:40,920
Speaker 11: they are alive this morning because of Martin Luther King Junior.

2581
02:22:41,680 --> 02:22:45,160
Speaker 11: So mister Nelson said, we'll explain yourself for you folks

2582
02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:48,640
Speaker 11: who don't know. In nineteen ninety four or Martin Luther

2583
02:22:48,760 --> 02:22:51,400
Speaker 11: King Junior Day, that was the day that the north

2584
02:22:51,480 --> 02:22:56,360
Speaker 11: Ridge earthquake struck southern California. And I reminded mister Nelson

2585
02:22:56,400 --> 02:22:58,720
Speaker 11: and the listeners, had it not been for the fact

2586
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:01,640
Speaker 11: that it was Martin Luther King's new Day, there would

2587
02:23:01,640 --> 02:23:04,600
Speaker 11: have been hundreds, if not thousands, of people on those

2588
02:23:04,680 --> 02:23:09,120
Speaker 11: freeways that collapsed that morning, and we suffered greatly out here.

2589
02:23:09,160 --> 02:23:11,360
Speaker 11: It was a devastating earthquake, and I mean, I've been

2590
02:23:11,400 --> 02:23:13,240
Speaker 11: through a whole lot of earthquakes, but that, to this

2591
02:23:13,400 --> 02:23:17,800
Speaker 11: day is the worst earthquake I've ever encountered. And lots

2592
02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:22,800
Speaker 11: of lives were lost, astronomical damage for property, and yet

2593
02:23:23,040 --> 02:23:25,680
Speaker 11: it would have been far greater if people have been

2594
02:23:25,720 --> 02:23:29,480
Speaker 11: going to school or work that morning when that earthquake struck.

2595
02:23:30,040 --> 02:23:31,960
Speaker 11: So I found it a little ironic. I wonder how

2596
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:34,879
Speaker 11: many people out there even the day who are decrying

2597
02:23:34,920 --> 02:23:37,160
Speaker 11: the fact that we have a national holiday for Martin

2598
02:23:37,240 --> 02:23:41,280
Speaker 11: Luther King Junior are alive because they happened to have

2599
02:23:41,400 --> 02:23:44,920
Speaker 11: survived having been at home instead of being on the freeways.

2600
02:23:46,520 --> 02:23:47,920
Speaker 11: Remember that was days Miss Nelson.

2601
02:23:49,440 --> 02:23:51,520
Speaker 2: Of course, I remember were in a conversation and got

2602
02:23:51,640 --> 02:23:53,400
Speaker 2: knocked out of the sea and then we went out

2603
02:23:53,440 --> 02:23:55,680
Speaker 2: the air for about a minute or so and we

2604
02:23:55,760 --> 02:24:00,200
Speaker 2: were back on and then hates an earthquake and to

2605
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:03,520
Speaker 2: find out what was going on with across across southern California. Yeah,

2606
02:24:03,520 --> 02:24:04,840
Speaker 2: I remember that day. That morning.

2607
02:24:06,120 --> 02:24:09,240
Speaker 11: What really infuriated me. I mean, so many things infuriated

2608
02:24:09,360 --> 02:24:13,960
Speaker 11: made me during that time period. And one of the

2609
02:24:14,040 --> 02:24:17,600
Speaker 11: things that stands out for me was in the aftermath,

2610
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:20,480
Speaker 11: and I actually tell you, folks, is the loss of

2611
02:24:20,600 --> 02:24:27,480
Speaker 11: life was not confined to Los Angeles County. Even several

2612
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:29,520
Speaker 11: days and up to a couple of weeks, there were

2613
02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:33,240
Speaker 11: people still dying in places like Ventura County because that

2614
02:24:33,440 --> 02:24:38,920
Speaker 11: earthquake had shaken the ground and apparently had released spores

2615
02:24:40,280 --> 02:24:42,680
Speaker 11: and flu viruses that had been buried in the dirt

2616
02:24:42,760 --> 02:24:46,240
Speaker 11: for years, and because Ventura County was down wind from

2617
02:24:46,280 --> 02:24:49,640
Speaker 11: where the earthquake struck. There were approximately two hundred people

2618
02:24:49,640 --> 02:24:53,000
Speaker 11: who became violently ill, and I believe maybe three to

2619
02:24:53,080 --> 02:24:58,320
Speaker 11: five people in Ventura County died indirectly related to that earthquake.

2620
02:24:59,440 --> 02:25:01,880
Speaker 11: So it wasn't can find a property damage here in

2621
02:25:02,200 --> 02:25:05,160
Speaker 11: La County because it was primarily La County, But I

2622
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:07,520
Speaker 11: mean we felt that everywhere it was a bad earthquake.

2623
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:12,400
Speaker 11: What's also ironic is that to the day, same size

2624
02:25:12,440 --> 02:25:16,600
Speaker 11: earthquake struck in Japan a year later, So I found

2625
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:19,160
Speaker 11: that ironic too. But what I was gonna say, mister Nels,

2626
02:25:19,280 --> 02:25:21,879
Speaker 11: one of the things that really infuriated me in the aftermath,

2627
02:25:23,160 --> 02:25:26,640
Speaker 11: in the black and brown communities, people were being told

2628
02:25:26,680 --> 02:25:29,360
Speaker 11: how they could call, you know, how to apply for

2629
02:25:29,560 --> 02:25:38,160
Speaker 11: emergency food stamps, welfare, and I will never discuss anything

2630
02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:41,520
Speaker 11: on this radio show that I don't personally know. Meanwhile,

2631
02:25:41,640 --> 02:25:44,840
Speaker 11: in white communities, they were being instructed on how to

2632
02:25:44,920 --> 02:25:50,640
Speaker 11: get state and federal loans. And I won't name the facility,

2633
02:25:51,240 --> 02:25:55,400
Speaker 11: but I saw with my own eyes firsthand, hundreds of

2634
02:25:55,600 --> 02:26:00,800
Speaker 11: white contractors gathered in this one city building, the City

2635
02:26:00,840 --> 02:26:05,240
Speaker 11: of Los Angeles building, all white, no blacks, no browns,

2636
02:26:06,040 --> 02:26:09,520
Speaker 11: all white contractors being told how they can get contracts

2637
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:13,680
Speaker 11: to help rebuild. Primarily San Fernando Valley was the one

2638
02:26:13,720 --> 02:26:17,080
Speaker 11: that was struck. And I'm like, what about the Black

2639
02:26:17,120 --> 02:26:21,560
Speaker 11: and Brown contractors. This was nineteen ninety four, folks. I'm

2640
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:25,880
Speaker 11: not talking nineteen twenty seven. I saw this with my

2641
02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:29,080
Speaker 11: own eyes. But there's so much about King's Day that

2642
02:26:29,080 --> 02:26:30,720
Speaker 11: I can tell you about LA Because you know, people

2643
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:34,760
Speaker 11: think California is so liberal. I'll give you this one example.

2644
02:26:36,120 --> 02:26:38,920
Speaker 11: Tom Bradley with the mayor. Now he was a retired

2645
02:26:39,080 --> 02:26:44,800
Speaker 11: LAPD cop. Celeste King and other people were successful in

2646
02:26:44,920 --> 02:26:48,960
Speaker 11: getting Martin Luther King Junior Day established as a national

2647
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:54,640
Speaker 11: holiday now in Los Angeles, primarily South Los Angeles. The

2648
02:26:54,840 --> 02:26:58,560
Speaker 11: original name of the street was Santa Barbara Avenue. Santa

2649
02:26:58,640 --> 02:27:04,080
Speaker 11: Barbara Avenue was changed to Martin Luther King Boulevard for years,

2650
02:27:05,400 --> 02:27:09,879
Speaker 11: and yet up until nineteen eighty nine, I still found

2651
02:27:10,160 --> 02:27:14,960
Speaker 11: LAPD phone directories where they refused to change the name

2652
02:27:15,640 --> 02:27:19,439
Speaker 11: from Santa Barbara Avenue to Martin Luther King Junior Boulevard.

2653
02:27:19,560 --> 02:27:22,400
Speaker 11: I'm not making a step up, folks. I walked into

2654
02:27:22,480 --> 02:27:26,400
Speaker 11: one LAPD station front desk where anybody in the public

2655
02:27:26,440 --> 02:27:31,200
Speaker 11: can walk in, and somebody had scrawled out Martin Luther

2656
02:27:31,320 --> 02:27:34,600
Speaker 11: King Junior Day on the calendar behind the police officers

2657
02:27:34,680 --> 02:27:38,279
Speaker 11: work in the front desk, and had written in James

2658
02:27:38,400 --> 02:27:41,959
Speaker 11: Earl ray Day. Now, mister Nelson, he's heard these stories.

2659
02:27:42,040 --> 02:27:44,760
Speaker 11: Dick Gregory, greg Dick Gregory and Karl and I we

2660
02:27:44,840 --> 02:27:46,320
Speaker 11: used to talk about a whole lot of stuff that

2661
02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:50,320
Speaker 11: people have no idea, and let's bring it up more recently.

2662
02:27:51,360 --> 02:27:55,240
Speaker 11: Last year, Charlie Kirk was assassinated, tragic event, and they

2663
02:27:55,360 --> 02:27:58,840
Speaker 11: held this big rally and memorial for Charlie Kirk. Do

2664
02:27:58,920 --> 02:28:03,000
Speaker 11: you folks even know Arizona had no desire to make

2665
02:28:03,240 --> 02:28:10,039
Speaker 11: national holiday for King and John McCain was vehemently against

2666
02:28:10,440 --> 02:28:13,840
Speaker 11: Martin Luther King Day in the state of Arizona. That

2667
02:28:14,200 --> 02:28:18,160
Speaker 11: stadium in these NFL games and the super Bowl that

2668
02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:22,040
Speaker 11: summertimes played in Arizona. That was all done because of

2669
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:26,960
Speaker 11: backdal compromises, and that's how Arizona finally recognized Martin Luther

2670
02:28:27,080 --> 02:28:31,120
Speaker 11: King Junior Day as a holiday in the state of Arizona.

2671
02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:34,160
Speaker 11: So I found it ironic that these folks are gathering

2672
02:28:34,240 --> 02:28:37,240
Speaker 11: for Charlie Kirk's memorial because I guarantee you most of

2673
02:28:37,320 --> 02:28:40,560
Speaker 11: those folks do not support Marcia Luther King Junior. And

2674
02:28:40,680 --> 02:28:42,760
Speaker 11: yet that stadium probably wouldn't have been there had not

2675
02:28:42,920 --> 02:28:46,360
Speaker 11: been for those backdoor deals and the compromise to finally

2676
02:28:46,480 --> 02:28:50,520
Speaker 11: get Martin Luther King Junior day recognized in Arizona. Miss

2677
02:28:50,680 --> 02:28:52,720
Speaker 11: knows I could go on and on with this kind

2678
02:28:52,720 --> 02:28:53,959
Speaker 11: of stuff, you.

2679
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:54,560
Speaker 15: Know that, right?

2680
02:28:55,240 --> 02:28:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I recall that they Mark Man. I recall

2681
02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:01,280
Speaker 2: because Steve he said he wouldn't do a concert again

2682
02:29:01,360 --> 02:29:02,720
Speaker 2: until one.

2683
02:29:02,680 --> 02:29:06,800
Speaker 11: Wether Stevie, Yeah, he was not going to step foot.

2684
02:29:06,840 --> 02:29:09,040
Speaker 11: And by the way, you folks, if you don't notice,

2685
02:29:09,320 --> 02:29:13,840
Speaker 11: just for personal, when Barack Hossein Obama was elected, I

2686
02:29:13,959 --> 02:29:18,160
Speaker 11: didn't step foot in Nevada or Arizona or any other state.

2687
02:29:18,840 --> 02:29:20,760
Speaker 11: And by the way, I never voted for Barack Obama

2688
02:29:21,959 --> 02:29:24,000
Speaker 11: neither election. Did I vote for him because I don't vote.

2689
02:29:24,600 --> 02:29:27,320
Speaker 11: I'm an independent, which is what I want to address

2690
02:29:27,400 --> 02:29:30,600
Speaker 11: right now. Because you had somebody call in, wasn't Martin

2691
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:34,800
Speaker 11: Luther King Junior Republican? I get so sick and tired

2692
02:29:35,480 --> 02:29:42,400
Speaker 11: of people spreading these disinformation misinformation. When Martin Luther King Jr.

2693
02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:50,960
Speaker 11: Decided to support John F. Kennedy's presidential election campaign, he

2694
02:29:51,120 --> 02:29:58,119
Speaker 11: specifically became an independent. He was neither a Republican nor

2695
02:29:58,320 --> 02:30:03,000
Speaker 11: a Democratic. And Larry Elder, who's a black libertarian out here,

2696
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:05,080
Speaker 11: he used to spute at garbage all the time too.

2697
02:30:05,720 --> 02:30:08,280
Speaker 11: I'm no fan of Larry Elder, but I always give

2698
02:30:08,360 --> 02:30:11,640
Speaker 11: credit where credit is due. Ten years ago I called

2699
02:30:11,720 --> 02:30:15,080
Speaker 11: Larry Elder out on that he did some research and

2700
02:30:15,280 --> 02:30:18,920
Speaker 11: on all of his official websites. He later conceded he

2701
02:30:19,040 --> 02:30:22,960
Speaker 11: could find no evidence that Martin Luther King Jr. Was

2702
02:30:23,000 --> 02:30:27,920
Speaker 11: a Republican during the Civil Rights movement. But you know,

2703
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:30,760
Speaker 11: missing us, I got some up close and personal experiences

2704
02:30:30,800 --> 02:30:34,160
Speaker 11: regarding the King family, so we can talk about that too.

2705
02:30:34,320 --> 02:30:37,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's got some people got questions for you.

2706
02:30:38,120 --> 02:30:40,280
Speaker 2: Let me take one first. At fifteen after the time there,

2707
02:30:40,480 --> 02:30:42,520
Speaker 2: Eric's reaching out to us. He's calling from Long Beach

2708
02:30:42,879 --> 02:30:45,960
Speaker 2: out in California's on line one the Grand Rising. Happy

2709
02:30:46,000 --> 02:30:48,359
Speaker 2: King Day, Eric, Your question for Mark from Anaheim.

2710
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:54,240
Speaker 20: Crion Risey, Happy king Day, you guess and yourself. It's

2711
02:30:54,280 --> 02:30:58,000
Speaker 20: been a long time since I've been on for the car.

2712
02:30:58,120 --> 02:31:01,080
Speaker 20: Always with you, Mark. But let me start by saying,

2713
02:31:01,160 --> 02:31:04,640
Speaker 20: you know me and brother Cokeley rest in peaces, real

2714
02:31:04,720 --> 02:31:07,800
Speaker 20: real close. When he lived with doctor Onion Palmer out

2715
02:31:07,840 --> 02:31:10,280
Speaker 20: here in LA I used to take him to a

2716
02:31:10,360 --> 02:31:13,720
Speaker 20: lot of his medical appointments that he had for he

2717
02:31:13,879 --> 02:31:18,160
Speaker 20: passed you know, so just to let that be known.

2718
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:20,800
Speaker 11: Well, hold on before you go any further, Brothers. So

2719
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:26,000
Speaker 11: my answer machine, I mean, I haven't used that answer

2720
02:31:26,120 --> 02:31:29,320
Speaker 11: machine in years, but the very last message on my

2721
02:31:29,360 --> 02:31:32,440
Speaker 11: answer machine was the last phone call that I received

2722
02:31:32,480 --> 02:31:33,560
Speaker 11: from brother Steve Cockley.

2723
02:31:35,760 --> 02:31:40,840
Speaker 20: Oh well, I'm I'm glad to know that I was. Unfortunately,

2724
02:31:40,959 --> 02:31:43,560
Speaker 20: I was out of town on a job in Washington

2725
02:31:44,560 --> 02:31:46,680
Speaker 20: when the brother passed.

2726
02:31:47,080 --> 02:31:48,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, he was very ill at the time when he

2727
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:52,320
Speaker 11: called me, and yeah, and I was unable to I

2728
02:31:52,440 --> 02:31:54,360
Speaker 11: was involved in some stuff where I was not able

2729
02:31:54,400 --> 02:31:57,440
Speaker 11: to meet with him. And I will never I will

2730
02:31:57,480 --> 02:32:01,040
Speaker 11: always save that tape from that answer machine because that

2731
02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:03,120
Speaker 11: was the very last phone call that I had received

2732
02:32:03,160 --> 02:32:05,800
Speaker 11: from Steve Cochley before we lost that brother.

2733
02:32:07,120 --> 02:32:08,840
Speaker 2: Eric Coley thought, right there, we got to step aside

2734
02:32:08,840 --> 02:32:10,560
Speaker 2: for a few moments. Eric, I'll let you post your

2735
02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:12,640
Speaker 2: question on the other side. Seventeen minutes after the top

2736
02:32:12,680 --> 02:32:15,400
Speaker 2: of the Our Family, MARKA. Mounaheim is I guess let

2737
02:32:15,440 --> 02:32:16,920
Speaker 2: me just share this with you. A lot of stuff

2738
02:32:16,959 --> 02:32:19,560
Speaker 2: that you heard Steve Cocher say and Dick Fregri say

2739
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:22,080
Speaker 2: they got it from MARKA. Mannheim. I can attest to

2740
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:24,120
Speaker 2: that you got questions for him. Reach out to us

2741
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:27,000
Speaker 2: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

2742
02:32:27,160 --> 02:32:29,480
Speaker 2: Enjoy King Day and we'll take your phone calls next

2743
02:32:29,840 --> 02:32:32,480
Speaker 2: and grand Rising. Happy King Day family. Twenty minutes after

2744
02:32:32,480 --> 02:32:34,320
Speaker 2: the tough day, have markam anaheim iss sharing of some

2745
02:32:34,400 --> 02:32:37,600
Speaker 2: of his experiences at celebrating doctor King's birthday. What are yours?

2746
02:32:37,840 --> 02:32:39,560
Speaker 2: You can reach us at eight hundred four or five

2747
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:42,959
Speaker 2: zero seventy eight seventy six. Four we left, we're speaking

2748
02:32:42,959 --> 02:32:45,280
Speaker 2: with Eric calling us from Long Beach in California's Eric,

2749
02:32:45,280 --> 02:32:47,320
Speaker 2: I'm that you finish your question for Mark.

2750
02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:52,440
Speaker 20: Okay, I'm glad to be back. Let me and the

2751
02:32:52,480 --> 02:32:56,440
Speaker 20: reason the reason I brought up, you know, my b

2752
02:32:56,640 --> 02:33:00,160
Speaker 20: there mentor brother Cochley, because we used to be be

2753
02:33:00,280 --> 02:33:03,440
Speaker 20: at the Marcus Garvey School out there and we used

2754
02:33:03,440 --> 02:33:05,920
Speaker 20: to have you know, all of these a lot of

2755
02:33:05,920 --> 02:33:10,280
Speaker 20: the discussions into the King assassination for a long time.

2756
02:33:11,560 --> 02:33:15,240
Speaker 20: And one of the things that he did, Gregory pointed

2757
02:33:15,320 --> 02:33:21,400
Speaker 20: out and made clear was who was all involved and

2758
02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:26,280
Speaker 20: getting Martin out of that room onto that balcony so

2759
02:33:26,480 --> 02:33:31,520
Speaker 20: he can be shot and nobody those individuals have still

2760
02:33:32,840 --> 02:33:36,120
Speaker 20: not been held to account. And to be reckoned with

2761
02:33:36,320 --> 02:33:40,360
Speaker 20: what they did. One of them is still alive, Jesse

2762
02:33:40,520 --> 02:33:45,880
Speaker 20: Jackson and Andrew Young. They all know what happened, but

2763
02:33:46,040 --> 02:33:50,199
Speaker 20: none of them has ever came clean on that issue,

2764
02:33:50,440 --> 02:33:54,200
Speaker 20: and the so called black community ain't never pressed them onent,

2765
02:33:54,680 --> 02:33:57,959
Speaker 20: not once ever. But we love to run out there

2766
02:33:58,720 --> 02:34:03,720
Speaker 20: and celebrate the brother, but the conspirators that help get

2767
02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:07,160
Speaker 20: his life taken never been held to account. I just

2768
02:34:07,240 --> 02:34:09,280
Speaker 20: want to know, brother Mark thoughts about that. Thank you,

2769
02:34:09,320 --> 02:34:10,480
Speaker 20: and I'll take the answer off there.

2770
02:34:10,680 --> 02:34:16,480
Speaker 11: Appreciate mister Nelson. Why'd you bring me on the show

2771
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:22,040
Speaker 11: this morning? All Right, folks, one, I'll never lie to you. Two,

2772
02:34:23,959 --> 02:34:26,640
Speaker 11: since I have less years left on this planet than

2773
02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:32,720
Speaker 11: I've already experienced, I'm going to share with you that

2774
02:34:33,879 --> 02:34:38,720
Speaker 11: I've only shared with Greg and Carl Nelson. In response

2775
02:34:38,760 --> 02:34:43,760
Speaker 11: to the brother's question, I've been researching the assassination of

2776
02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:48,440
Speaker 11: Martin Luther King Junior since nineteen seventy seven because in

2777
02:34:48,560 --> 02:34:53,600
Speaker 11: nineteen seventy seven, I was staying in a dormitory in

2778
02:34:53,720 --> 02:34:57,920
Speaker 11: downtown Charleston, South Carolina. It was called a college lodge.

2779
02:34:57,959 --> 02:35:01,240
Speaker 11: I think it's closed now, and I realized that I

2780
02:35:01,400 --> 02:35:04,600
Speaker 11: was standing less than one hundred yards from when on

2781
02:35:04,800 --> 02:35:10,400
Speaker 11: April sixth, nineteen sixty eight, South Carolina National Guard with

2782
02:35:10,600 --> 02:35:15,360
Speaker 11: fixed band at M. Fourteen rifles pointed in my face

2783
02:35:15,600 --> 02:35:18,800
Speaker 11: and said, since we can't use that word on the radio,

2784
02:35:18,879 --> 02:35:23,760
Speaker 11: thank you, Marcia Clark, the N word keep walking. Now,

2785
02:35:24,320 --> 02:35:26,720
Speaker 11: South Carolina National Guard had been deployed to protect the

2786
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:32,080
Speaker 11: city and College at Charleston, basically all white campus, against

2787
02:35:32,160 --> 02:35:35,760
Speaker 11: possible riotings because King had been assassinated three days earlier.

2788
02:35:37,040 --> 02:35:39,800
Speaker 11: So you know, back in nineteen sixty eight, open bigotry

2789
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:44,000
Speaker 11: and segregation was still very prevalent in South Carolina. And

2790
02:35:44,120 --> 02:35:49,280
Speaker 11: that Saturday, following King's assassination, I went to the long

2791
02:35:49,400 --> 02:35:53,480
Speaker 11: gone all black Lincoln Theater because back in those days

2792
02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:57,640
Speaker 11: the Gloria Theater, at Riviera Theater, the American Theater in

2793
02:35:57,720 --> 02:36:01,480
Speaker 11: downtown Charleston they find let blacks in which I always

2794
02:36:01,480 --> 02:36:04,880
Speaker 11: found ironic, mister Nelson, because they created a colored section

2795
02:36:05,400 --> 02:36:07,400
Speaker 11: and the color section was in the balcony, which was

2796
02:36:07,440 --> 02:36:09,960
Speaker 11: the better seats. They did the same thing at the

2797
02:36:09,959 --> 02:36:14,040
Speaker 11: Grand Old Loppy back then too. But anyway, the great

2798
02:36:14,080 --> 02:36:16,800
Speaker 11: thing about the Lincoln Theater, even though it didn't have

2799
02:36:16,920 --> 02:36:21,400
Speaker 11: the money like the white theaters, they showed black movies.

2800
02:36:21,640 --> 02:36:24,520
Speaker 11: I knew about Herb Jeffries. Anybody out there this morning

2801
02:36:24,520 --> 02:36:27,480
Speaker 11: to know who Herb Jeffries was. Gene Archery is not

2802
02:36:27,600 --> 02:36:31,840
Speaker 11: my singing cowboy. Herb Jeffries is my singing cowboy. And

2803
02:36:32,000 --> 02:36:35,400
Speaker 11: he was a black man. And it's sad so many

2804
02:36:35,440 --> 02:36:38,400
Speaker 11: people don't even know who Herb Jeffries is today. So

2805
02:36:38,959 --> 02:36:41,080
Speaker 11: I went to the theater. I watched a couple of

2806
02:36:41,160 --> 02:36:45,920
Speaker 11: black Western films, and I see this big commotion down

2807
02:36:46,480 --> 02:36:49,119
Speaker 11: King Street. Mind you, folks, I'm only ten years old,

2808
02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:53,680
Speaker 11: so I don't know what's going on. So I started

2809
02:36:53,720 --> 02:36:58,120
Speaker 11: walking down King Street from the Lincoln Theater towards Calhoun Street.

2810
02:36:58,879 --> 02:37:01,000
Speaker 11: And when I got to the inner exal Calhoun Street

2811
02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:03,480
Speaker 11: and King Street is when the National Guard pointed bayonets

2812
02:37:03,480 --> 02:37:07,960
Speaker 11: in my face. I never returned to the College of

2813
02:37:08,040 --> 02:37:12,120
Speaker 11: Charleston campus again until I became a freshman there nine

2814
02:37:12,160 --> 02:37:14,480
Speaker 11: years later, and I didn't know what was going on

2815
02:37:14,600 --> 02:37:16,000
Speaker 11: at that time. It didn't you know, it didn't dawn

2816
02:37:16,080 --> 02:37:19,280
Speaker 11: on me until years later, Like I had encountered National

2817
02:37:19,360 --> 02:37:22,920
Speaker 11: Guard protecting the white students at the College to Charleston.

2818
02:37:24,680 --> 02:37:29,120
Speaker 11: So the address your brother's questions, Okay, I am very

2819
02:37:29,240 --> 02:37:33,480
Speaker 11: familiar with various organizations and individuals who were most likely involved.

2820
02:37:34,640 --> 02:37:38,119
Speaker 11: I don't focus on who did it. Rather, I focus

2821
02:37:38,200 --> 02:37:42,800
Speaker 11: on who benefits, and I keep things simple. You really

2822
02:37:42,840 --> 02:37:44,879
Speaker 11: want me to answer this question on their mister Nelson,

2823
02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:52,279
Speaker 11: Like you said, it is what it is, all right, folks.

2824
02:37:53,920 --> 02:37:56,840
Speaker 11: Martin Luther King Jr. Was a member of Sigma Pi Phive,

2825
02:37:57,520 --> 02:38:01,879
Speaker 11: some of you folks know them as the Bully During

2826
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:05,240
Speaker 11: the Civil Rights movement, Martin Luther King Junior switched from

2827
02:38:05,280 --> 02:38:09,600
Speaker 11: fighting for civil rights to fighting for human rights for

2828
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:15,600
Speaker 11: all people, not just black folks, especially the poor. So

2829
02:38:15,760 --> 02:38:18,120
Speaker 11: he was fighting for blacks, he was fighting for whites.

2830
02:38:18,400 --> 02:38:20,800
Speaker 11: He was fighting for browns, he was fighting for yellow

2831
02:38:20,879 --> 02:38:24,920
Speaker 11: he was fighting for everybody. It was no longer a

2832
02:38:25,040 --> 02:38:27,920
Speaker 11: civil rights movement for Martin Luther King Junior. It was

2833
02:38:28,040 --> 02:38:35,680
Speaker 11: a human rights for all. Many within the Boulet despise MLK,

2834
02:38:36,200 --> 02:38:38,320
Speaker 11: and they were jealous of him and wondering why he

2835
02:38:38,600 --> 02:38:43,240
Speaker 11: was considered the spokesperson for the civil rights movement. You

2836
02:38:43,400 --> 02:38:48,879
Speaker 11: had prominent Bulllet members like US Supreme Court Justice Thurgood

2837
02:38:48,959 --> 02:38:56,920
Speaker 11: Marshall and other well known Bulet members who would print

2838
02:38:57,200 --> 02:39:02,440
Speaker 11: anti Martin Luther King junior editorial in major newspapers. And

2839
02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:05,280
Speaker 11: mister Nelson, of course you knew one. Remember one guy

2840
02:39:05,320 --> 02:39:10,760
Speaker 11: who used to work for was it US and wasn't

2841
02:39:10,760 --> 02:39:12,240
Speaker 11: a US information agency?

2842
02:39:13,520 --> 02:39:15,160
Speaker 15: Carl Right?

2843
02:39:15,520 --> 02:39:16,320
Speaker 11: Remember that name?

2844
02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:18,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't never forget that name.

2845
02:39:19,560 --> 02:39:21,560
Speaker 11: You guys have no idea. You better take advantage of

2846
02:39:21,640 --> 02:39:24,080
Speaker 11: mister Nelson and not myself while we're still alive, because

2847
02:39:24,080 --> 02:39:26,039
Speaker 11: there's so much stuff that we know that nobody else

2848
02:39:26,120 --> 02:39:28,400
Speaker 11: is going to tell you. And I was just informed

2849
02:39:28,480 --> 02:39:32,000
Speaker 11: yesterday because I tried to warn you folks. Facebook apparently

2850
02:39:32,040 --> 02:39:35,000
Speaker 11: took down everything I've ever posted because there were people

2851
02:39:35,040 --> 02:39:37,400
Speaker 11: who listened to the show who contacted me and goes up, well,

2852
02:39:37,440 --> 02:39:40,400
Speaker 11: your information is gone, but I tried to tell you

2853
02:39:40,480 --> 02:39:43,480
Speaker 11: all to get it well again anyway. The proverbial start

2854
02:39:43,560 --> 02:39:46,640
Speaker 11: that broke the camel's back was when MLK criticized the

2855
02:39:46,760 --> 02:39:50,080
Speaker 11: US involvement in Vietnam, and he came out and said

2856
02:39:50,080 --> 02:39:53,280
Speaker 11: that the United States was the greatest purveyor of violence

2857
02:39:53,640 --> 02:39:57,600
Speaker 11: on the planet. See now you're dealing with and mister Nelson,

2858
02:39:57,680 --> 02:40:03,280
Speaker 11: it is not the military industrial Company. See when Eisenhower

2859
02:40:03,440 --> 02:40:06,120
Speaker 11: came out and said that, and he waited until right

2860
02:40:06,200 --> 02:40:08,440
Speaker 11: he was leaving the White House to say it. His

2861
02:40:08,600 --> 02:40:16,320
Speaker 11: original statement was the military industrial congressional complex. They took

2862
02:40:16,400 --> 02:40:21,840
Speaker 11: congressional out before you ever saw that speech, okay, And

2863
02:40:21,959 --> 02:40:25,200
Speaker 11: that military industrial congressional complex has gotten bigger and bigger

2864
02:40:25,240 --> 02:40:30,680
Speaker 11: ever since. Everybody on that balcony pointing in the wrong

2865
02:40:30,920 --> 02:40:36,080
Speaker 11: direction was a boobuley member and the person kneeling down.

2866
02:40:37,160 --> 02:40:39,880
Speaker 11: I know you folks got your pencils and paper. His

2867
02:40:40,080 --> 02:40:50,320
Speaker 11: name was maryl Mac McCullough, and Mac was Cia. His daughter. Later,

2868
02:40:51,360 --> 02:40:54,240
Speaker 11: well she's married now, so Lada mccallough. Her name is Celetski.

2869
02:40:55,000 --> 02:40:57,200
Speaker 11: She's even written a book, folks. You can find it.

2870
02:40:57,280 --> 02:40:59,840
Speaker 11: It's called The Kneeling Man. I'll never lie to you.

2871
02:41:00,760 --> 02:41:02,640
Speaker 11: And now they don't care anymore. It's been so long

2872
02:41:02,959 --> 02:41:07,039
Speaker 11: they're putting out information. The guy kneeling while everybody else

2873
02:41:07,040 --> 02:41:09,480
Speaker 11: appointing in the wrong direction with the shot came from

2874
02:41:10,760 --> 02:41:17,120
Speaker 11: they were all bullet and Mac who's kneeling down was Cia.

2875
02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:22,600
Speaker 11: In fact, you know, we used to joke about this,

2876
02:41:22,720 --> 02:41:25,440
Speaker 11: but it's not funny. A certain individual on that balcony,

2877
02:41:25,480 --> 02:41:27,600
Speaker 11: who still alive, wore a turtleneck to make sure that

2878
02:41:27,680 --> 02:41:30,840
Speaker 11: they didn't shoot the wrong In words, Hey, I just

2879
02:41:30,920 --> 02:41:33,880
Speaker 11: called a spade a spade, and I'm from South Carolina,

2880
02:41:34,040 --> 02:41:38,119
Speaker 11: just says he. CORRETTA. Scott King, one of Josephine Baker

2881
02:41:38,560 --> 02:41:43,080
Speaker 11: to assume leadership of the Southern Christian Leadership Council, and

2882
02:41:43,240 --> 02:41:48,440
Speaker 11: I have coached and mentored female surfers from France and

2883
02:41:48,480 --> 02:41:52,720
Speaker 11: the French territories. And the reason why is because of

2884
02:41:52,800 --> 02:41:56,240
Speaker 11: the memory of the Harlem hell Fighters, the memory of

2885
02:41:56,320 --> 02:42:01,879
Speaker 11: earth A Kit who just had a name day, Eugene Bullard,

2886
02:42:02,240 --> 02:42:05,160
Speaker 11: the Black Swallow, who was a legendary pilot that mostly

2887
02:42:05,200 --> 02:42:09,600
Speaker 11: you never heard of, and Josephine Baker, because they are

2888
02:42:09,720 --> 02:42:13,279
Speaker 11: revered in France while they continue their memories are disrespected

2889
02:42:13,320 --> 02:42:15,840
Speaker 11: in this country. Well, there was no way that the

2890
02:42:15,879 --> 02:42:18,880
Speaker 11: bulet in the Southern Christian Leadership Council was going to

2891
02:42:19,000 --> 02:42:24,000
Speaker 11: let Josephine Baker take over. And that's why Josephine Baker

2892
02:42:24,040 --> 02:42:28,080
Speaker 11: today is interned in France. Because she knew, after everything

2893
02:42:28,200 --> 02:42:30,920
Speaker 11: she had done and everything she had sacrificed, she had

2894
02:42:30,920 --> 02:42:33,120
Speaker 11: already left the United States twice. One time she had

2895
02:42:33,160 --> 02:42:35,360
Speaker 11: even renounced their US citizenship and had to fight to

2896
02:42:35,400 --> 02:42:38,360
Speaker 11: get it back. And when Corret Scott King asked her

2897
02:42:39,240 --> 02:42:43,040
Speaker 11: to try to become the leader of the SCLC, and

2898
02:42:43,240 --> 02:42:45,760
Speaker 11: she saw how she was being treated. She remained in

2899
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:49,840
Speaker 11: France and that's where she is today. So I keep

2900
02:42:49,879 --> 02:42:53,040
Speaker 11: it simple, folks. And while many black folks love to

2901
02:42:53,160 --> 02:42:57,199
Speaker 11: discuss the white separatist groups and the various local, state,

2902
02:42:57,280 --> 02:43:00,400
Speaker 11: and federal government agencies which may have been come splicit,

2903
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:05,640
Speaker 11: as Eric from Long Beach says, rarely do black folks

2904
02:43:05,760 --> 02:43:11,240
Speaker 11: discuss the complicity of other black folks. Hell, it was

2905
02:43:11,320 --> 02:43:14,360
Speaker 11: black folks who requested the Assassin ifact. You know, the

2906
02:43:14,400 --> 02:43:17,760
Speaker 11: files don't be released until twenty twenty seven, and I

2907
02:43:17,920 --> 02:43:19,879
Speaker 11: doubt they're going to be released because some of those

2908
02:43:19,959 --> 02:43:23,400
Speaker 11: black and splicit of you know, those individuals, they're still

2909
02:43:23,440 --> 02:43:26,360
Speaker 11: alive and will probably still be alive in twenty twenty seven.

2910
02:43:27,160 --> 02:43:29,080
Speaker 11: So I hope that answer Eric's question.

2911
02:43:30,120 --> 02:43:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty nine away from the top, a family, Happy

2912
02:43:33,000 --> 02:43:36,359
Speaker 2: king Day making an appearance.

2913
02:43:36,680 --> 02:43:41,200
Speaker 11: Its blowing up. Now, that's like I told, That's like

2914
02:43:41,280 --> 02:43:44,279
Speaker 11: what I told the listeners about mister Boulet, Michael Steele

2915
02:43:44,360 --> 02:43:46,080
Speaker 11: and how he was nothing but a house Negro for

2916
02:43:46,160 --> 02:43:49,400
Speaker 11: the Republican Party and your your switchboard blew up, and

2917
02:43:49,480 --> 02:43:52,119
Speaker 11: then the Republican Party came out later and even said, well,

2918
02:43:52,160 --> 02:43:53,920
Speaker 11: Michael Steele was just a token Negro for us.

2919
02:43:55,360 --> 02:43:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't get him. Yeah, that's why we can't

2920
02:43:57,959 --> 02:44:01,000
Speaker 2: get him back on the show. Thanks Mark, But twenty

2921
02:44:01,080 --> 02:44:02,760
Speaker 2: had away from the topic. I gotta ask you this question.

2922
02:44:02,959 --> 02:44:06,280
Speaker 2: We discussed it earlier, the Kennedys role in the assassination

2923
02:44:06,400 --> 02:44:07,960
Speaker 2: of Martin Luther King, because you know, back in the

2924
02:44:08,040 --> 02:44:10,680
Speaker 2: day in in my house, we had the picture of

2925
02:44:10,720 --> 02:44:13,680
Speaker 2: the two Kennedys and Martin King on the wall, and

2926
02:44:13,800 --> 02:44:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm showed a lot of black families too, thought that

2927
02:44:16,560 --> 02:44:18,880
Speaker 2: the Kendidates were cool with us. What say you?

2928
02:44:20,440 --> 02:44:21,039
Speaker 18: Oh God?

2929
02:44:21,959 --> 02:44:25,360
Speaker 11: All right? Dick Gregory and I appeared together on this

2930
02:44:25,520 --> 02:44:30,720
Speaker 11: show maybe around twenty fourteen, and I came on the

2931
02:44:30,760 --> 02:44:34,040
Speaker 11: show and I said, you know what, the greg I

2932
02:44:34,160 --> 02:44:36,320
Speaker 11: really get sick and tired of black folks with their

2933
02:44:36,440 --> 02:44:40,400
Speaker 11: kkk on the wall, and Greg goes, KKK, what do

2934
02:44:40,440 --> 02:44:46,120
Speaker 11: you mean? Kennedy King and Kennedy And they even have

2935
02:44:46,240 --> 02:44:48,120
Speaker 11: it on fans. I mean, as a child, mist the

2936
02:44:48,200 --> 02:44:50,480
Speaker 11: notes and I'd go to funerals and I see the

2937
02:44:50,640 --> 02:44:53,760
Speaker 11: three k's on these fans and funerals and all of

2938
02:44:53,840 --> 02:44:58,400
Speaker 11: black funerals I'm like what. John F. Kennedy Junior was

2939
02:44:58,520 --> 02:45:01,640
Speaker 11: no fan of black people. John F. Kennedy Jr. And

2940
02:45:01,879 --> 02:45:03,920
Speaker 11: when he was at Harvard University he was a big

2941
02:45:04,000 --> 02:45:07,440
Speaker 11: supporter of Adolf Hitler. Now I'm from Charleston, South Carolina,

2942
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:10,280
Speaker 11: and my grandmother used to clean the houses for white

2943
02:45:10,280 --> 02:45:14,160
Speaker 11: folks south abroad. We call them the sobs. Hey, even

2944
02:45:14,240 --> 02:45:17,640
Speaker 11: Oprah Winfrey can't get a home south of Broad Okay,

2945
02:45:18,920 --> 02:45:21,440
Speaker 11: if you ain't white, you ain't coming south abroad. You

2946
02:45:21,560 --> 02:45:22,880
Speaker 11: check it out to see if I'm lying to you.

2947
02:45:23,360 --> 02:45:26,640
Speaker 11: I'll never lie to you. Well, anyway, one of the

2948
02:45:26,720 --> 02:45:30,200
Speaker 11: places that my grandmother used to clean houses while September

2949
02:45:30,320 --> 02:45:32,960
Speaker 11: Clark and other people who were babysitting mere on segregated

2950
02:45:33,040 --> 02:45:38,959
Speaker 11: John Sallen was the Fort Sumter Hotel. Now the Fort

2951
02:45:38,959 --> 02:45:42,160
Speaker 11: Sumter Hotel today are very expensive condominiums do Hunt and

2952
02:45:42,200 --> 02:45:44,640
Speaker 11: Charleston right there by the battery, you know where the

2953
02:45:45,040 --> 02:45:47,960
Speaker 11: white boys from the Ceville fired the shots on Fort Sumter.

2954
02:45:48,520 --> 02:45:50,680
Speaker 11: Because the Second Amendment has nothing to do with the

2955
02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:54,279
Speaker 11: tyrannical government. The Second Amendment is about keeping the blacks

2956
02:45:54,320 --> 02:45:58,280
Speaker 11: and the slaves down from the Stone Wall rebellion from

2957
02:45:58,360 --> 02:46:04,760
Speaker 11: the Denmark vacy rebellion from the black Beard pirates occupying Charleston,

2958
02:46:04,959 --> 02:46:08,640
Speaker 11: and one third of black Beard's pirates were black runaway slaves.

2959
02:46:09,600 --> 02:46:11,680
Speaker 11: So while the NRA and these other folks continue to

2960
02:46:11,760 --> 02:46:15,440
Speaker 11: repeat this lie, the Second Amendment has nothing to do

2961
02:46:15,640 --> 02:46:19,320
Speaker 11: with the tyrannical government. The second Amendment was Virginia and

2962
02:46:19,360 --> 02:46:22,040
Speaker 11: South Carolina, another slave states, saying they needed to have

2963
02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:26,279
Speaker 11: a militia in case the slaves had a rebellion, uprising

2964
02:46:26,480 --> 02:46:29,960
Speaker 11: or run away. And I will never lie to you.

2965
02:46:30,680 --> 02:46:33,320
Speaker 11: So down there on the battery at Fort Sumter where

2966
02:46:33,360 --> 02:46:36,760
Speaker 11: the Fort Sumter Hotel used to be, that was one

2967
02:46:36,760 --> 02:46:40,360
Speaker 11: of the meeting places for John F. Kennedy while he

2968
02:46:40,640 --> 02:46:44,760
Speaker 11: was having his little love fest with one of Hitler's

2969
02:46:44,840 --> 02:46:48,400
Speaker 11: female spices. So I know all about John F. Kennedy,

2970
02:46:48,440 --> 02:46:52,640
Speaker 11: trust me. So Kennedy was no fan of black folks. Okay,

2971
02:46:52,920 --> 02:46:55,760
Speaker 11: Kennedy was a politician, and when he was running for

2972
02:46:55,840 --> 02:46:58,640
Speaker 11: president in nineteen sixty, he was the first Catholic to

2973
02:46:58,760 --> 02:47:02,720
Speaker 11: run for president because white Anglo Saxon Protestants ran this

2974
02:47:02,840 --> 02:47:05,760
Speaker 11: country from the time it was formed, as we know

2975
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:08,960
Speaker 11: this is the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. In fact,

2976
02:47:08,959 --> 02:47:12,520
Speaker 11: they Episcopalians, and Daddy Bush was an Episcopalian. Trust me.

2977
02:47:12,600 --> 02:47:16,280
Speaker 11: They ran this country for a long time. But in

2978
02:47:16,360 --> 02:47:18,760
Speaker 11: nineteen sixty John F. Kennedy ran and a lot of

2979
02:47:18,800 --> 02:47:21,560
Speaker 11: people in this country said, is John F. Kennedy loyal

2980
02:47:21,640 --> 02:47:24,800
Speaker 11: to the pope who's not a US citizen? Or is

2981
02:47:24,840 --> 02:47:27,560
Speaker 11: he loyal to the United States? And for John F.

2982
02:47:27,640 --> 02:47:30,840
Speaker 11: Kennedy to win, he needed the black vote. During that

2983
02:47:31,000 --> 02:47:34,400
Speaker 11: time period, most black votes were still registered Republicans because

2984
02:47:34,600 --> 02:47:38,240
Speaker 11: rob Abraham Lincoln was a Republican who freed the slaves.

2985
02:47:39,240 --> 02:47:41,840
Speaker 11: The Republican Party you know to day is not the

2986
02:47:41,920 --> 02:47:47,160
Speaker 11: Republican Party from back into Abraham Lincoln days. That flips began.

2987
02:47:47,720 --> 02:47:50,959
Speaker 11: Unlike what people like Tom Hartman and others talking about

2988
02:47:50,959 --> 02:47:55,360
Speaker 11: the Southern strategy, the Southern strategy actually began with Herbert Hoover.

2989
02:47:55,840 --> 02:47:58,760
Speaker 11: Herbert Hoover was a Republican, but he wanted to get

2990
02:47:58,760 --> 02:48:02,040
Speaker 11: the Southern vote to get real elected, so he distanced

2991
02:48:02,120 --> 02:48:06,320
Speaker 11: himself from black Republicans and became basically more like Woodrow

2992
02:48:06,400 --> 02:48:12,199
Speaker 11: Wilson clan member of Southern Lover and FDR promised black

2993
02:48:12,280 --> 02:48:16,720
Speaker 11: folks and poor folks to give them jobs to get

2994
02:48:16,800 --> 02:48:19,320
Speaker 11: us out of the depression from the stock market crash,

2995
02:48:20,400 --> 02:48:23,720
Speaker 11: and FDR ended up winning. But the Southern strategy began

2996
02:48:23,920 --> 02:48:29,400
Speaker 11: long before Nixon. He employed the Southern strategy, and of

2997
02:48:29,520 --> 02:48:33,360
Speaker 11: course Reagan employed the Southern strategy, and of course Trump

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02:48:33,560 --> 02:48:36,960
Speaker 11: employed the Southern strategy. But that began with Herbert Hoover.

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Speaker 11: That's when black folks started saying, maybe the Republican Party

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Speaker 11: ain't representing it. But a lot of black folks still

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Speaker 11: remain Republicans. But back in those days, you could vote

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Speaker 11: for either party, so they might have been registered Republicans,

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Speaker 11: but they voted for FDR. Okay, nineteen sixties, Kennedy needed

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Speaker 11: black folks. Martin Luther King's, as I said earlier, was

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Speaker 11: neither a Democratic nor Republican. And because Kennedy made campaign

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Speaker 11: promises to the black civil rights leaders, they most black

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Speaker 11: folks voted for John F. Kennedy and he got into

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Speaker 11: the White House. Then of course Kennedy got assassinated, and

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Speaker 11: I know we get.

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Speaker 2: Right. Family is an interesting conversation we have with MARKA.

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Speaker 11: Mannerheims.

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Speaker 2: We celebrate doctor Kay's birthday. Family reach out to you.

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Speaker 2: Got a question eight hundred four five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 2: seventy six minute ticket calls next and Grand Rising family

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Speaker 2: Unhappy King Day as we celebrate King Day twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five with markat Manheim. Before we go back to Mark

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Speaker 2: just reminds you to offer our condolences to the family

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Speaker 2: and the friends of doctor doctor Charles Finch, MDY, a

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Speaker 2: medical doctor and also a chematologist. He's reading several books

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Speaker 2: about now Valleys when African African original origins of Christianity.

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Speaker 2: He's also one of the few folks that I know

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Speaker 2: they've met Chak County Shop. He met him in the

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Speaker 2: cast Ago and he talked about that meeting as well.

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Speaker 2: He was he was a soldier, one of our power

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Speaker 2: talkers as well. They made his transition. He was at

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Speaker 2: seventy seven before we also got to say Condeensius of

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Speaker 2: the family of Sonny Williams. Sonny Williams is a man

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Speaker 2: about town in Los Angeles who worked for KJLH station

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Speaker 2: represented the state anywhere there's something that we're doing, he

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Speaker 2: was there. Sonny made his transition yesterday yesterday morning. Sonny

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Speaker 2: was a seventy six. Anyway, family, let's go back to

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Speaker 2: Marrow from Manheim, so Margaret, let you finish thoughts about

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Speaker 2: the Kenney Brothers affiliation with doctor King.

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Speaker 11: Yes, listeners, First, I apologize to you for this long

3035
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Speaker 11: winded question, but this one question right here could be

3036
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Speaker 11: a whole semester of college, and I wasn't I didn't

3037
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Speaker 11: know I was going to be a parent ofsponent. So

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Speaker 11: it's not like I had prepared for this. When I

3039
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Speaker 11: mentioned the fact that Fort Sumter Hotel at the city

3040
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Speaker 11: of Low, I mean at the battery and all that,

3041
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Speaker 11: and I talked about the subtle cadets firing on Fort Something.

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Speaker 11: The reason I was telling you that with the Second Amendment.

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Speaker 11: Now I know a lot of listeners out there are

3044
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Speaker 11: listening from Virginia. Thank God for a new governor in Virginia.

3045
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Speaker 11: By the way, VMI is one of those militious schools,

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Speaker 11: state malicious schools that was formed in conjunction with things

3047
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Speaker 11: like the Second Amendment. And in Charleston, the Citadel is

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Speaker 11: a state militia school. They're not the National Guard, they're

3049
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Speaker 11: the state militia. And practically every state in this country

3050
02:51:26,400 --> 02:51:30,440
Speaker 11: has a militia that's separate from the National Guard. You'll

3051
02:51:30,440 --> 02:51:33,160
Speaker 11: probably see a little bit more that come out now

3052
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Speaker 11: with Trump's immigration policies and him forming more people than

3053
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Speaker 11: the immigration John Kennedy, and I mentioned him with one

3054
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Speaker 11: of Hitler's female spies during World War II, Jaya go Hoover,

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Speaker 11: was already creating a file on Kennedy. And for you

3056
02:51:53,240 --> 02:51:55,160
Speaker 11: folks who think I'm making this up, you can write

3057
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Speaker 11: this down. She went by the name Inga and her

3058
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Speaker 11: last name was ar v B as in Victor Inga Arvad. Now,

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Speaker 11: I've been telling this story for years, but it was

3060
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Speaker 11: only maybe about fifteen years ago that I guess there

3061
02:52:10,320 --> 02:52:12,040
Speaker 11: was a book that came out that confirmed what I've

3062
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Speaker 11: been trying to tell people for years about Kennedy and

3063
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Speaker 11: how he was literally in bed with a Nazi spy

3064
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Speaker 11: in Charleston, South Carolina. Well, Robert F. Kennedy became John F.

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Speaker 11: Kennedy's attorney general. And so when I was on the

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Speaker 11: show with Greg and mister Nelson, I apologized to the

3067
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Speaker 11: listeners and said, I'm sorry to tell you that John F.

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02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:39,240
Speaker 11: Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy are no fans of black folks.

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Speaker 11: Robert F. Kennedy's godfather is none other than John Bursus

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Speaker 11: Society Joseph McCarthy. In fact, Robert F. Kennedy tried to

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Speaker 11: get his father to pull all kinds of strings. You know,

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Speaker 11: I should go back because all you folks still think

3073
02:52:55,720 --> 02:52:59,480
Speaker 11: MAGA is about make America white again. MAGA is about

3074
02:52:59,560 --> 02:53:06,000
Speaker 11: the fact that Harry S. Truman fired Douglas MacArthur. Douglas

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Speaker 11: MacArthur's right hand man is one of the founding members

3076
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Speaker 11: of the John Bars Society. John Birch was never a member.

3077
02:53:12,920 --> 02:53:15,560
Speaker 11: And they believe that this country hasn't been great since

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Speaker 11: the day that MacArthur was secretly planning to drop an

3079
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Speaker 11: Adam Baum on China. That's what it's all about. And

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Speaker 11: they're back. They're running all three branches of government now,

3081
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Speaker 11: John Birth Society. I've been one of you folks of

3082
02:53:27,160 --> 02:53:32,960
Speaker 11: Buston for thirty years. So anyway, Robert F. Kennedy could

3083
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Speaker 11: not get the job as the attorney. The attorney for

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Speaker 11: the John Verth Society was none other than Roy Cohn.

3085
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Speaker 11: Roy Cone is Donald Trump's mentor. Roy Cohn was the

3086
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Speaker 11: head attorney for the John Birth Society and the head

3087
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Speaker 11: of many of the leading mafia families out of New

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Speaker 11: York City. Robert F. Kennedy Junior became Attorney General. He,

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Speaker 11: along with Kennedy ordered jay A. Gohoover to illegally survey

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Speaker 11: leaders within the civil rights movement. I'm not a fan

3091
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Speaker 11: of Jaegohoover, but one thing I'll give well, two things,

3092
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Speaker 11: I'll give Jaegahoover credit for he despised the John Burrs

3093
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Speaker 11: Society and he never intended to conduct surveillance on Martin

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Speaker 11: Luther King Jr. He was ordered to do it. And

3095
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Speaker 11: when he reminded the White House that it was illegal, legal,

3096
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Speaker 11: don't worry. We'll take care of you. We got your back,

3097
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Speaker 11: and I will never lie to you. And I don't

3098
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Speaker 11: talk about stuff that having thoroughly research, talk to individuals,

3099
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Speaker 11: or I personally no trust me. In fact, the only

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Speaker 11: reason well, watching city the only reasons, the primary reason

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Speaker 11: why Johnson got us into the Vietnam War. He would

3102
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Speaker 11: not get the Southern votes from the Democratic Party when

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02:54:44,480 --> 02:54:46,880
Speaker 11: he said that he was going to continue Kennedy's plan

3104
02:54:47,000 --> 02:54:51,200
Speaker 11: for the Civil Rights Bill if he didn't agree to

3105
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Speaker 11: send US marines into Vietnam. And that's why the Voting

3106
02:54:55,080 --> 02:54:57,879
Speaker 11: Rights Act and the Civil Rights Bill were not done together.

3107
02:54:58,800 --> 02:55:00,960
Speaker 11: Johnson had to make deals with the Civil Rights moving

3108
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Speaker 11: and say, well, I can get one pass right now

3109
02:55:03,560 --> 02:55:06,480
Speaker 11: and once I get this pass, the Democratic Party is

3110
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Speaker 11: going to lose the South for the next fifty years

3111
02:55:09,320 --> 02:55:12,200
Speaker 11: because he knew and then he did the civil I

3112
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Speaker 11: mean he did devoting rights back in nineteen sixty five.

3113
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Speaker 11: All that stuff that Johnson did was considered the Great Society.

3114
02:55:19,000 --> 02:55:21,600
Speaker 11: It was a fifty year as these white folks call it,

3115
02:55:21,720 --> 02:55:26,879
Speaker 11: an experiment that fifty years ended on twenty fifteen. That's

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02:55:26,959 --> 02:55:29,480
Speaker 11: why Barack Obama couldn't get anything passed this last year

3117
02:55:29,520 --> 02:55:32,040
Speaker 11: in office. They made him a lame duck president his

3118
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Speaker 11: entire last year, when normally you're not a lame duck president,

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Speaker 11: and to a new president has been elected in the

3120
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Speaker 11: November elections. It's over, folks, all the stuff that you

3121
02:55:42,840 --> 02:55:44,760
Speaker 11: folks have been living and thinking, this is the u

3122
02:55:44,920 --> 02:55:47,440
Speaker 11: United States. We are going back to the way it

3123
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:51,640
Speaker 11: was before FDR became president under the New Deal and

3124
02:55:51,920 --> 02:55:56,240
Speaker 11: eliminating everything that Johnson and Kennedy promised black folks, brown folks,

3125
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Speaker 11: and women because women couldn't even know buy a house

3126
02:56:01,400 --> 02:56:03,000
Speaker 11: on their own or own a credit card in this

3127
02:56:03,080 --> 02:56:05,800
Speaker 11: country without a man signing for it until nineteen seventy four.

3128
02:56:06,600 --> 02:56:08,640
Speaker 11: You folk exactly like this stuff happened one hundred years ago.

3129
02:56:08,959 --> 02:56:12,400
Speaker 11: Women have never gotten equal rights Amendment. So with Kennedy,

3130
02:56:12,879 --> 02:56:17,720
Speaker 11: both Robert F. Kennedy and John F. Kennedy, they were politicians.

3131
02:56:17,800 --> 02:56:20,240
Speaker 11: They were not big fans or supporters of black people.

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Speaker 11: So I hope that answers your question, mister Nelson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it bears a question that brother Gregor out

3134
02:56:26,760 --> 02:56:28,600
Speaker 2: of North Carolina has been telling us about the Supreme

3135
02:56:28,680 --> 02:56:34,360
Speaker 2: Court ruling Brown versus Body, the ruling that's going to

3136
02:56:34,400 --> 02:56:38,440
Speaker 2: come up, that we could possibly be described as non citizens.

3137
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Speaker 2: They could probably be not.

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Speaker 11: You know, I always find people on the show who

3139
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Speaker 11: were not. Just the show people talk about reparations. So

3140
02:56:44,600 --> 02:56:47,520
Speaker 11: all you black Masons out there, first of all, to

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02:56:47,600 --> 02:56:49,240
Speaker 11: be a Mason, you have to be a free and

3142
02:56:49,320 --> 02:56:52,400
Speaker 11: accepted which means you cannot be a slave or descendant

3143
02:56:52,520 --> 02:56:56,080
Speaker 11: of a slave. White Masons don't recognize you. They might

3144
02:56:56,160 --> 02:56:59,039
Speaker 11: pacify it, they might use you. But unless you are

3145
02:56:59,160 --> 02:57:01,320
Speaker 11: free and accepted, which means you have never been a

3146
02:57:01,400 --> 02:57:04,480
Speaker 11: slave or a descendant of a slave, you are not

3147
02:57:04,680 --> 02:57:08,040
Speaker 11: a free and accepted Mason. So if you are a

3148
02:57:08,200 --> 02:57:10,360
Speaker 11: free and accepted Mason, like so many of you black

3149
02:57:10,440 --> 02:57:13,400
Speaker 11: folks claim to be, how do you feel that you're

3150
02:57:13,520 --> 02:57:17,440
Speaker 11: entitled to reparations. Now, look, I'm not saying I agree

3151
02:57:17,480 --> 02:57:20,920
Speaker 11: with it. I'm not saying I support it. I'm a

3152
02:57:21,040 --> 02:57:24,160
Speaker 11: pragmatist and I'm a realist. I just tell you, folks,

3153
02:57:24,200 --> 02:57:26,480
Speaker 11: the way it is. It is what it is. I

3154
02:57:26,680 --> 02:57:29,720
Speaker 11: said what I said, We as black folks in this

3155
02:57:29,840 --> 02:57:35,840
Speaker 11: country have never been citizens because slaves were not recognized

3156
02:57:35,840 --> 02:57:40,200
Speaker 11: as citizens, and we are descendants of slaves. Everything that

3157
02:57:40,320 --> 02:57:42,400
Speaker 11: we have benefited from them. And I say we, I'm

3158
02:57:42,440 --> 02:57:47,520
Speaker 11: talking blacks, browns, whites, because unless you are a wealthy

3159
02:57:47,840 --> 02:57:52,680
Speaker 11: white male, not woman, wealthy white male, the US Constitution

3160
02:57:52,800 --> 02:57:55,760
Speaker 11: didn't apply to you. Everything that we have benefited from

3161
02:57:55,879 --> 02:57:59,600
Speaker 11: is based on amendments and executive orders. In the Supreme

3162
02:57:59,680 --> 02:58:03,480
Speaker 11: Court is now comprised with so many originalists they don't

3163
02:58:03,560 --> 02:58:08,240
Speaker 11: recognize amendments or executive orders unless it fits their political agenda.

3164
02:58:09,240 --> 02:58:13,200
Speaker 11: So I'm not playing the goom and doom here, mister Nelson.

3165
02:58:13,360 --> 02:58:15,959
Speaker 11: But I could very well see that ruling is going

3166
02:58:16,040 --> 02:58:20,960
Speaker 11: to come back saying blacks are not US citizens. Does

3167
02:58:21,040 --> 02:58:21,840
Speaker 11: that answer your question?

3168
02:58:22,720 --> 02:58:22,760
Speaker 4: It?

3169
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Speaker 11: And I got told you before, the only thing that

3170
02:58:25,640 --> 02:58:28,400
Speaker 11: allows blacks to be in the US armed forces and

3171
02:58:28,560 --> 02:58:31,680
Speaker 11: not in the all Black Unit. There's an executive order

3172
02:58:31,760 --> 02:58:35,360
Speaker 11: signed by Harry S. Truman, and any president who comes

3173
02:58:35,400 --> 02:58:38,520
Speaker 11: into office can get rid of a pre existing executive order.

3174
02:58:38,560 --> 02:58:40,400
Speaker 11: So Donald Trunk can wake up this morning, goes you

3175
02:58:40,440 --> 02:58:42,720
Speaker 11: know what, I want to go back to all white

3176
02:58:43,480 --> 02:58:46,560
Speaker 11: units and all black units and my US Armed Forces,

3177
02:58:46,600 --> 02:58:48,840
Speaker 11: and it's one hundred percent legal.

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02:58:51,520 --> 02:58:54,200
Speaker 2: Our family. You can you can do the research with

3179
02:58:54,240 --> 02:58:56,320
Speaker 2: anything you heard, the Mark says, just do the research.

3180
02:58:57,040 --> 02:58:59,880
Speaker 2: Nine a way for the top. Mark Kareem has a

3181
02:59:00,040 --> 02:59:02,800
Speaker 2: question for your's coming from Baltimore's online three Grand Rising.

3182
02:59:02,920 --> 02:59:04,880
Speaker 2: Happy King Day. Kareem. Your question for Mark, can you

3183
02:59:04,920 --> 02:59:06,680
Speaker 2: make it quick for us too, because you're racing the clock.

3184
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Speaker 11: I'm sorry about that.

3185
02:59:09,560 --> 02:59:20,080
Speaker 2: Kareem is Koreem there on line three. Kevin. I'm not

3186
02:59:20,160 --> 02:59:22,680
Speaker 2: hearing it, but he wanted you to. Yeah, there he is.

3187
02:59:23,879 --> 02:59:25,320
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Kareem. Your question from Mark.

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Speaker 13: My question was can you get us to realize that

3189
02:59:31,640 --> 02:59:35,200
Speaker 13: they are all cousins. I'm talking about the Northerners and

3190
02:59:35,320 --> 02:59:38,280
Speaker 13: the Southern white cousins. And when you did in a

3191
02:59:38,360 --> 02:59:41,760
Speaker 13: fight with your family member, with others outside of your

3192
02:59:41,840 --> 02:59:46,080
Speaker 13: family come in, it's all best is off. We are

3193
02:59:46,160 --> 02:59:49,840
Speaker 13: the family member, we are getting me into family fights

3194
02:59:50,959 --> 02:59:51,720
Speaker 13: of cousin.

3195
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Speaker 2: All right, let me respond. And I thought he was

3196
02:59:53,959 --> 02:59:56,400
Speaker 2: going to ask you career, I thought, Markutment, if you

3197
02:59:56,600 --> 02:59:57,880
Speaker 2: add this to it. I thought he was going to

3198
02:59:57,920 --> 03:00:03,080
Speaker 2: tell us about the relationships between the Clintons and Donald Trump,

3199
03:00:03,080 --> 03:00:04,440
Speaker 2: because some people don't know their real lady.

3200
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Speaker 11: But John, all world leaders, all world leaders are related

3201
03:00:08,760 --> 03:00:11,160
Speaker 11: by blood. If you folks don't know, it was Bill

3202
03:00:11,240 --> 03:00:14,200
Speaker 11: and Hillary Clinton who told Donald Trump, who happens to

3203
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Speaker 11: be Hillary's cousin, to run for president in twenty fifteen. Okay,

3204
03:00:20,920 --> 03:00:23,879
Speaker 11: Barack Obama's related to Dick Treeney. Back in the nine,

3205
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Speaker 11: It's funny. Back in nineteen ninety two, it was ros Parole,

3206
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Speaker 11: Bill Clinton, and Daddy Buyce were running for president. So

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Speaker 11: I came on mister Nelson Show because a lot of

3208
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Speaker 11: folks calling from Compton. I go, you don't even know,

3209
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Speaker 11: but Ross Parol right now owns ninety five percent of

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Speaker 11: all the municipal bonds in Compton. Daddy Bush used to

3211
03:00:40,680 --> 03:00:44,280
Speaker 11: live in Compton. Daddy Bush, Rosparole, and Bill Clinton all

3212
03:00:44,400 --> 03:00:46,680
Speaker 11: related by blood. In fact, their families are all from

3213
03:00:46,720 --> 03:00:49,640
Speaker 11: the same small town in England. People came on the show,

3214
03:00:49,680 --> 03:00:52,039
Speaker 11: saying I was crazy. And what did the La Times print?

3215
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Speaker 11: Now they buried it way in the back of the

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Speaker 11: a section of the newspaper. Bill Clinton has more royal

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03:00:58,400 --> 03:01:02,440
Speaker 11: blood than ros Parole and George H. W.

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Speaker 1: Bush.

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Speaker 11: I don't talk about stuff I don't know. I was

3220
03:01:05,879 --> 03:01:08,520
Speaker 11: trained by these folks. I was mentored by these folks.

3221
03:01:08,560 --> 03:01:11,640
Speaker 11: They were grooming me. And you know, even Cecily Tyson

3222
03:01:11,680 --> 03:01:13,520
Speaker 11: came on your show, mister Nelson got a little upset

3223
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Speaker 11: because I refused to turn in my White House Fellowship Well,

3224
03:01:16,879 --> 03:01:18,520
Speaker 11: you know, because she was set on the White House

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Speaker 11: Fellowship Committee and all this other stuff. But anyway, to

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Speaker 11: answer the brother's question, Okay, they're all when mister Nelson,

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Speaker 11: you call me up like you did this morning and

3228
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Speaker 11: brought me on during the January sixth insurrection on twenty

3229
03:01:32,560 --> 03:01:35,520
Speaker 11: twenty one, do you remember what I told your listeners

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Speaker 11: about that insurrection?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't. We're a fresh iman.

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Speaker 11: Joseph Biden will not do a damn thing to all

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Speaker 11: the elected officials on Capitol Hill who helped facilitate that

3234
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Speaker 11: seditious attack, because, just like Abraham Lincoln at the end

3235
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Speaker 11: of the Civil War, they're all related by blood. They're

3236
03:01:55,360 --> 03:02:00,840
Speaker 11: all Masonic brothers, and none of them got prosecuted now,

3237
03:02:01,080 --> 03:02:05,800
Speaker 11: namely one elected official that was a prosecutor during Biden's administration.

3238
03:02:06,240 --> 03:02:08,600
Speaker 11: They went after the low hanging through and then Trump

3239
03:02:08,720 --> 03:02:10,720
Speaker 11: just came in and pardoned them. They'll have those guys

3240
03:02:10,800 --> 03:02:13,400
Speaker 11: he pardoned probably are out there now as Ice agents.

3241
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Speaker 11: I'm being flipping, but I'm being serious. The Civil War

3242
03:02:19,959 --> 03:02:22,800
Speaker 11: were Masons versus Masons. There are all kinds of books

3243
03:02:22,840 --> 03:02:24,520
Speaker 11: out there where you can find where they go brother

3244
03:02:24,640 --> 03:02:28,400
Speaker 11: versus brothers. So so the caller, yeah, he's correct, but

3245
03:02:28,520 --> 03:02:31,200
Speaker 11: it ain't about us being in the middle of those cousins,

3246
03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:34,800
Speaker 11: because you have to understand a lot of those Mulattos

3247
03:02:35,200 --> 03:02:38,640
Speaker 11: are the offspring of these slave owners and they gotta

3248
03:02:38,920 --> 03:02:41,720
Speaker 11: and they gotta. You know, they got some stake in

3249
03:02:41,760 --> 03:02:42,280
Speaker 11: the fight too.

3250
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Speaker 2: Okay, seventy six Pamils calling from Upper Marlborough Barkies online

3251
03:02:51,840 --> 03:02:53,560
Speaker 2: three and pamly, can you make it quick for us,

3252
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Speaker 2: because we're questions.

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Speaker 20: I sure can Mark.

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Speaker 6: If you're going back to before FDR and the new

3255
03:02:59,600 --> 03:03:01,720
Speaker 6: Deal and we are not going to be us since

3256
03:03:01,760 --> 03:03:04,320
Speaker 6: after the Supreme Court units, then what are we to do?

3257
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Speaker 11: Well, Like I said, before. If we can't get along,

3258
03:03:09,560 --> 03:03:11,600
Speaker 11: let's get it on, because I'm not going anywhere. I'm

3259
03:03:11,640 --> 03:03:14,440
Speaker 11: not going to God, or can you. I ain't going nowhere.

3260
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Speaker 11: And I've gotten death trust me. You had a caller

3261
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Speaker 11: that called in a couple of weeks ago saying that

3262
03:03:20,080 --> 03:03:22,400
Speaker 11: I get death threats. Trust me. I've been getting death

3263
03:03:22,440 --> 03:03:25,920
Speaker 11: threats ever since Barack Obama got elected, including death threats

3264
03:03:25,959 --> 03:03:29,800
Speaker 11: from people I trained at LAPD and they know I'm

3265
03:03:29,840 --> 03:03:32,720
Speaker 11: always strapped. It's sad to me when I hear black

3266
03:03:32,760 --> 03:03:35,440
Speaker 11: folks out there going, well, get me a gun. All

3267
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Speaker 11: I say is be prepared to defend yourself. Even in

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03:03:38,160 --> 03:03:41,040
Speaker 11: the movie Malcolm X, the brother came out on his

3269
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Speaker 11: porch with his shotgun. Okay, I told you all there's

3270
03:03:46,120 --> 03:03:47,960
Speaker 11: going to be a civil war. I told you there's

3271
03:03:47,959 --> 03:03:50,480
Speaker 11: gonna be a world war. You guys folks want to

3272
03:03:50,560 --> 03:03:53,800
Speaker 11: live in denials. Knock yourself out. Hey, I even keep

3273
03:03:53,840 --> 03:03:56,040
Speaker 11: an axe and a shovel in my truck. That there's

3274
03:03:56,040 --> 03:03:59,080
Speaker 11: a lot of desert between here in Vegas. And I'm

3275
03:03:59,120 --> 03:04:02,200
Speaker 11: not being flipping being serious as a heart attack. It

3276
03:04:02,400 --> 03:04:04,520
Speaker 11: is what it is. I don't bother anybody, but I

3277
03:04:04,560 --> 03:04:07,480
Speaker 11: ain't taking no gruff off anybody. And don't think that

3278
03:04:07,640 --> 03:04:10,080
Speaker 11: just because somebody is your skin folk is your kinfolk,

3279
03:04:10,360 --> 03:04:12,240
Speaker 11: because they will always use somebody who looks like you

3280
03:04:12,360 --> 03:04:16,000
Speaker 11: to get close to you. So prepare yourselves to survive.

3281
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Speaker 11: All these zombie movies, they're not about zombies, folks. Those

3282
03:04:20,080 --> 03:04:22,160
Speaker 11: movies are letting you know how to survive during a

3283
03:04:22,200 --> 03:04:26,879
Speaker 11: civil war because you ain't gonna have no electricity. I'm

3284
03:04:26,920 --> 03:04:32,920
Speaker 11: just telling you prepare for a civil war, all right,

3285
03:04:33,879 --> 03:04:35,600
Speaker 11: thank you? What it is. I said what I said.

3286
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Speaker 2: I said what you said. He's been saying that for

3287
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Speaker 2: quite some time, folks, just didn't come up with this.

3288
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Speaker 2: How long have you been saying about twenty years?

3289
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Speaker 11: No, try thirty years, knows. I came on so after

3290
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Speaker 11: the nineteen ninety two watch Rioters, so actually it's thirty

3291
03:04:49,440 --> 03:04:52,000
Speaker 11: four years. And told your listeners that that was all

3292
03:04:52,120 --> 03:04:54,120
Speaker 11: set up. And I told your listeners if anybody had

3293
03:04:54,120 --> 03:04:57,520
Speaker 11: been paying attention, you would have seen it coming. See

3294
03:04:57,920 --> 03:04:59,879
Speaker 11: a lot of this stuff was planned to happen before

3295
03:05:00,200 --> 03:05:03,080
Speaker 11: two k and they're behind the clock. So now they're racing.

3296
03:05:03,280 --> 03:05:08,199
Speaker 11: I just could be one before I go. Thousands of tons,

3297
03:05:08,280 --> 03:05:11,920
Speaker 11: well tons of ammonium night rate on a freight train

3298
03:05:12,120 --> 03:05:15,360
Speaker 11: to Current County has disappeared, and you don't hear anybody

3299
03:05:15,440 --> 03:05:19,560
Speaker 11: talk about it. That's enough ammonium nitrate to do twenty

3300
03:05:19,760 --> 03:05:23,640
Speaker 11: Oklahoma City bombings using ammonium night rate. This is what's

3301
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Speaker 11: going on in this country, folks, and you guys are

3302
03:05:25,480 --> 03:05:28,600
Speaker 11: living in denial because you're worried about the bears in

3303
03:05:28,680 --> 03:05:30,920
Speaker 11: the NFL and the NBA and all this other stuff.

3304
03:05:31,160 --> 03:05:34,160
Speaker 11: Time to get real, time to cut that garbage off.

3305
03:05:36,400 --> 03:05:38,760
Speaker 11: It is what it call me, Denmark.

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Speaker 2: You said what you said? Thanks Mark, Yeah, wake me up, Thanks.

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Speaker 11: Later, bro, I love you folks. Will survive just like

3308
03:05:47,959 --> 03:05:48,720
Speaker 11: we did before.

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Speaker 2: All right. That's Mark from an high we coaxed out

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Speaker 2: of bed this morning on this King Day. Family. That's

3311
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Speaker 2: it for the day. Class is dismissed. Stay strong, stay

3312
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Speaker 2: paused they please stay healthy it We'll see you tomorrow morning,

3313
03:05:58,680 --> 03:06:01,879
Speaker 2: six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB

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Speaker 2: and also in the DMV era UND fourteen fifty WOL