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Speaker 1: Lie from the Heartland and the crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony kats today.

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Speaker 2: When The New York Times writes the story about how

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Speaker 2: Tim Walls has ruined Minnesota, recognizing that the writing over

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Speaker 2: there by the Manhattan Institute at City Journal was accurate

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Speaker 2: and correct, having to give its kudos to people like

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Speaker 2: Christopher Rupo, which must kill.

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Speaker 3: The people the New York Times.

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Speaker 2: It is clear by the way it was Christopher Ruffo

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Speaker 2: not only real as we always knew it was, but

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Speaker 2: is more horrifying than we know. Tony Katz. Tony Katz today, guys,

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Speaker 2: good to be here, Glad you're here. Hope that Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: was wonderful and joyous. Let us get into it. The

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Speaker 2: fraud in Minnesota is not a bug, but a feature.

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Speaker 2: It is a fraud allowed by progressives who feel the

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Speaker 2: absolute need to never question anything, especially when it comes

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Speaker 2: to their progressive bona fides. And how could anyone question

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Speaker 2: Somali nationals living in Minneapolis. Well, that would just be racist.

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Speaker 2: And if you didn't know it, the Somalis told you

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Speaker 2: it would be. Let's start where the story begins. This

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Speaker 2: initial reporting from RUFO and Thorpe which talks about how

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Speaker 2: these programs in Minnesota, these programs that were designated to

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Speaker 2: help those in need, were built.

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Speaker 3: Out of millions and millions.

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Speaker 2: Of dollars, and that money could very well have ended

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Speaker 2: up back in Somalia supporting a terrorist group called Al Jabab.

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Speaker 2: The conversation of whether that data did not happen, whether

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Speaker 2: is still for some people in a state of flux,

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Speaker 2: still an investigation. What is not an investigation is that

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Speaker 2: Minnesota was paying out more money to these Somali nationals

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Speaker 2: and these organizations that said they were helping people during COVID,

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Speaker 2: more money than it takes the Department of Corrections to

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Speaker 2: run itself in a year, meaning whatever it is the

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Speaker 2: Department Corrections budget is. This was more more than a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars in taxpayer money. The story goes that when

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Speaker 2: COVID came about, well we have to feed people.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what one thing has to do with another,

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Speaker 3: but you go, okay, you have to feed people.

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Speaker 2: Sure well, we have to give money and organizations are

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Speaker 2: going to help us feed people and people who are

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Speaker 2: of a non decent sort and by the way, there

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Speaker 3: We'll get to this.

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Speaker 2: They said, ah ah, perfect, let's go get some of

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Speaker 2: that loop. And there were groups out of restaurants that

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Speaker 3: Now you say to me, Tony, that's not possible.

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Speaker 2: Anybody could realize that there's no way a restaurant was

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Speaker 3: That's just not possible.

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Speaker 2: When you have a liberal government, a progressive government, the waste, fraud,

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Speaker 2: and abuse is not a bug, it is a feature.

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Speaker 2: Bad people are put in positions of power, people who

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Speaker 2: a tax dollar to take or to levy in order

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Speaker 3: On its face, I should.

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Speaker 2: Say a program for the left is not viewed as

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Speaker 3: A fundamental flaw in the thinking.

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Speaker 2: Anybody of a rational metal would know that there's no

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Speaker 2: But the leftist says, oh wow, look how well this

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Speaker 2: These programs off run by Somali nationals meeting people from

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Speaker 2: Somalia who've been allowed into the United States given this

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Speaker 2: glorious opportunity. They're stealing the money. They're buying luxury cars,

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Speaker 2: you still have to pay. That's what happened. That is

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Speaker 2: And if they're offended by that, I just don't care.

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Speaker 2: Facts are facts. They referred to this in the Biden

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Speaker 2: administration under Merrick Garland as the largest pandemic relief fraud

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Speaker 2: scheme in the country, and they looked at a nonprofit

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Speaker 3: Do you see what they did that? Paulie? Why do

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Speaker 3: and nothing. Look at these people. Blah ah, bravo. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna say, the couple of you guys down to a

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Speaker 3: to do this right. Good work, good work, people, well done.

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Speaker 2: The difference is those guys, those Italian guys, they feed children.

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Speaker 2: So the state agencies reimbursed the group and its partners

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Speaker 2: for all these invoices, the claims that they fed ten

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Speaker 2: to thousands of children. The meals were non existent. They

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Speaker 3: Everything.

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Speaker 2: They start going through bank records, they're looking at this,

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Speaker 2: that and the other, and they find more and more

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Speaker 3: That they were at risk for homelessness.

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Speaker 2: There was the conversation of those who claimed that their

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Speaker 2: your money now, you could argue, Hey, Tony, this was

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Speaker 2: just in Minnesota. It's just Minnesota's money. Is that what

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Speaker 2: fraud isn't happening everywhere. I didn't say there weren't Americans

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Speaker 2: involved in fraud. There absolutely are, But as I said,

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Speaker 2: I'll get to that. They have this program in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: which was originally budgeted in twenty twenty for two point

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Speaker 3: When the word went forth.

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Speaker 2: That there was a problem, Department of Education officials in

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Speaker 3: They started asking.

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Speaker 2: About these invoices, they said, as rational people would, we

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Speaker 3: They said, hey, is this right?

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Speaker 2: Feeding our future? The main nonprofit responded with an email saying.

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Speaker 3: Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa? Are you questioning us?

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have to say that you're a racist.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to have to make accusations of racism,

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Speaker 2: and these accusations would be quote.

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Speaker 3: Sprawled across the news unquote.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you just approve every minority business we send

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Speaker 2: and everything will be okay. Translation. That's a nice cushy

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Speaker 2: something happened to it. Paulie, I'm telling you these people,

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Speaker 2: these people in Minnihabit, with these Somali's, I gotta tell you, Paulie, Oh,

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Speaker 2: they know how to do it. Paulie, Walie, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: send you that five day intensive course.

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Speaker 3: All right. You gotta have to bring your own babagoula.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that food or nothing, but my gosh,

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Speaker 3: watching this? The Somalis?

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Speaker 2: And I say it that way because that's what we're

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Speaker 3: And if you don't like it, I just don't care.

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Speaker 3: But we care. We're gonna discuss this honestly. The way you're.

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Speaker 2: Trying to stop us from having a conversation because we're

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Speaker 3: We're past that.

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Speaker 2: At one moment, there was a trial and they tried

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Speaker 2: Defendants in the trial were found to have arranged to

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Speaker 2: a note that read, why why Why is it always

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Speaker 2: allow me. Tim Walls is the reason this happened, Tony,

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Speaker 2: what about the smalleiaf I said, I would get to it.

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Speaker 2: a bug, it is a feature. The fires come in Hawaii,

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Speaker 3: That was her response. They didn't know how to deal

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Speaker 2: Everywhere you look when there is an absolute failure. Remember

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Speaker 2: it's like Afghan nationals. We have a national guardship.

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Speaker 2: I'll get to that. Well, we vetted these people. Clearly

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Speaker 3: Oh if you don't believe us. You're just a racist.

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Speaker 2: Same story, different results, except same story, same result. The

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Speaker 2: failure of progressivism is this bad people, incompetent people in

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Speaker 2: the other way on programs to allow the worst people

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Speaker 3: The disaster is not a bug. It is a feature.

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Speaker 2: And Tim Walls is the poster child for that feature

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Speaker 2: of failure.

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Speaker 3: But what are the Somali nationals? I'm so glad you asked.

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Speaker 2: President Trump is right, take away all temporary protected status

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Speaker 2: and deport anybody who is connected who is not an

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Speaker 2: American citizen lawful status. You're not a citizen. Goodbye temporary

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Speaker 2: you're working your way through the process.

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Speaker 3: You're gone. You're a relative. You're gone.

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Speaker 2: And you say to me, that's not fair, with all

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Speaker 2: due respect, fairness is not the conversation here, because a

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Speaker 2: fairness is the conversation. What was fair to the citizens

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Speaker 2: of Minnesota, or to Americans who just got fleeced for

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Speaker 2: a billion dollars for possible support of terrorist organizations? For

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Speaker 2: the people who didn't get fed. Don't talk to me

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Speaker 2: You can't go after these people, and it's bigotry and

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Speaker 2: And justice comes when you're jaywalking, not when they're stealing.

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Speaker 3: What's going on.

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Speaker 2: It's very groovy Facebook, Tony Cats Radio. I don't think

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Speaker 3: Well, Tony, you see that's because of a judge, with

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Speaker 3: The story from.

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Speaker 2: Miranda Divines about this report is that Cash Rettel wants

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Speaker 2: Dan Bongino, the deputy director, is too that Cash Hotel

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Speaker 2: FBI and there have been some bad pressers. Yes, it's

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Speaker 2: an interesting story. I'm Tony Kash when I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: I don't know is being set up for war crimes.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not a geopolitical expert of the law

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Speaker 4: of it. You're right, Sarah, that is why those army

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Speaker 3: You do not have to follow illegal orders.

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Speaker 3: Instead they killed them. That I don't believe.

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to take people or engaged and engage in

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Speaker 2: But Sonny host and I would argue, does not care

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Speaker 2: how do you go after Pete Hegseth. The conversation goes

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Speaker 2: What they were engaged in is disgusting, despicable. Yes, the

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Speaker 2: in shame. Well, Tony, they just said what the rules are? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: What Mark Kelly was saying was don't listen to the

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Speaker 6: Well, let me start by saying, I've sunk two boats,

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Speaker 6: two ships. I sunk an Osa two missile patrol boat

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Speaker 6: in Kuwait Harbor. I sunk a Pulnach troop carrier in

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Speaker 6: the Persian Gulf during the First Gulf War. Never once

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Speaker 6: did I question whether those orders were legal or illegal.

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Speaker 6: People can tell the differ diference, should be able to

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Speaker 6: tell the difference between something else.

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Speaker 3: Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.

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Speaker 2: He was involved in two events, didn't question the orders

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Speaker 2: and then makes a statement that puts an end to

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Speaker 2: the concept of the chain of commands.

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Speaker 6: Never once did I question whether those orders were legal

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Speaker 6: or illegal.

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Speaker 3: People can tell the difference.

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Speaker 6: Should be able to tell the difference between something that

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Speaker 6: is unlawful and something that is lawful.

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Speaker 2: If people could tell the difference between something that is

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Speaker 2: lawful and something that is unlawful, we wouldn't need lawyers.

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Speaker 2: There would be no crime. We wouldn't have laws on

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Speaker 2: the books. What the hell are you talking about now,

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Speaker 2: I never wore the uniforms, so my military people are

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Speaker 2: more than welcome to chime in, so is everybody else.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to bet all of the money in my

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Speaker 2: pocket against all the money in your pocket that if

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Speaker 2: we are leaving it to the corporal to decide at

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Speaker 2: the age of twenty and a half, what is illegal

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Speaker 2: order and what is an illegal order? The military would

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Speaker 2: fall apart in according to my fledeman Von Reeste's time

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Speaker 2: here five minutes. No wait, I'm sorry, I read that wrong.

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Speaker 2: Five seconds. If we're relying on the private to determine

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Speaker 2: whether or not he should take the hill because the

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Speaker 2: order might be illegal, the whole system falls apart.

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Speaker 3: It falls apart.

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Speaker 2: The statement here from Senator Mark Kelly is not only

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Speaker 2: a stupid one, but under the most very basic scrutiny,

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Speaker 2: not under the scrutiny of military experts.

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Speaker 3: Not under the scrutiny of historians.

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Speaker 2: Not under the scrutiny of people who attended the War College,

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Speaker 2: not under the scrutiny of anybody who has a deep

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Speaker 2: knowledge base of the dopey radio host. It fell apart

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Speaker 2: in actually less time than military would tell me more

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Speaker 2: about how Mark Kelly is a guy who's a serious

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Speaker 2: contender for the presidency. Now, what a statement to make,

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Speaker 2: and what a fool will believe to listen to him

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Speaker 2: and say he's right. People should know the differences he

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Speaker 2: is stating. No longer is it what he's really saying.

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Speaker 2: He is stating that we should not have a chain

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Speaker 2: of command, that the chain of command does not have value,

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Speaker 2: that the chain of command is not working. He is

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Speaker 2: stating that witness president, witness administration duly elected by the people,

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Speaker 2: that the chain of command is broken, and that the

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Speaker 2: person on the front line should simply say no, that

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Speaker 2: they know better.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, if it's not treasonous, what's the word? You know?

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Speaker 2: There was this conversation that Hegseth should call him back

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Speaker 2: to service and then try him. I said, all right,

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. What he did was awful. And then some

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Speaker 2: people said, well, you can't really do that. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can't really do that. If

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Speaker 2: it can happen, it should happen. Because Mark Kelly is

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Speaker 2: a danger. Let the justice system handle it, guys, but

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Speaker 2: let it get handled.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz. So the story states.

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Speaker 2: That the Black Friday spend was eleven point eight billion

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Speaker 2: dollars and that's online only. Total Black Friday spending eighteen

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Speaker 2: billion dollars. And I'm telling you I cannot make hide

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Speaker 2: nor hair of this economy, know how, Tony Katz, Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today, great to be with you. You had. Here's

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Speaker 2: a couple of the headline pieces. The Dow was down,

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Speaker 2: the Nasdaq was down, Bitcoin massively, massively down. Now full disclosure.

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Speaker 2: I do not own enough bitcoin to count. I never have.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's my fault. If you own crypto, it

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Speaker 2: has not been fun. I didn't bet the house on it.

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Speaker 2: I'll be fine. I just like full disclosure. While that

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Speaker 2: is happening, gold prices continue to go up. They were

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Speaker 2: up over forty two hundred dollars. Silver at fifty eight

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Speaker 2: dollars an ounce. Can't believe it. Can't believe it. By

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Speaker 2: the way, I did have silver. I sold mine at

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Speaker 2: fifty one. That's right, genius. Honestly, I think selling early

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Speaker 2: is okay. I did well, and I moved on and

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Speaker 2: I leave it there.

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Speaker 3: Oh please.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like I was making some kind of massive transfer.

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Speaker 2: I had a small amount. I sold the small amounts.

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Speaker 2: Everything was okay. People selling it fifty eight did better

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Speaker 2: than I did, depending on how they bought it. The

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Speaker 2: pressure metals up. That's a hedge against inflation. But oil

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Speaker 2: price is still is under sixty dollars a barrel. The

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Speaker 2: ten year treasury has brought itself down to four percent

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Speaker 2: and last week, at the end of last week, it

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Speaker 2: was actually under four percent. And we see that eighteen

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Speaker 2: billion dollars was spent on Black Friday, and I don't

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Speaker 2: believe that includes what takes place over the weekend or today,

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Speaker 2: which is known as Cyber Monday.

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Speaker 3: What we do know is people bought more luxury goods.

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Speaker 2: And bought less of them, so they bought higher ticket

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Speaker 2: items and less higher ticket and less items altogether.

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Speaker 3: You tell me what this is supposed to mean.

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Speaker 2: People are spending, People are taking out of things that

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Speaker 2: are in the not to make a pun ether and

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Speaker 2: maybe going for more understood goods like gold, silver and

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Speaker 2: luxury items. The interest rates are not jumping up, which

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Speaker 2: if they stay at this four percent and get under

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Speaker 2: could keep some houses selling.

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Speaker 3: You explain to me what's going on crazy?

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Speaker 2: Also, are we gonna find that everybody did their buying

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Speaker 2: on Black Friday.

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Speaker 3: And now it's done. How much money are people going

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Speaker 3: to spend?

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Speaker 2: By the way, that eleven point eight billion from Black

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Speaker 2: Friday and online sales up nine point one percent from

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Speaker 2: last year, eleven point eight billion up nine point one percent,

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Speaker 2: And some people are making money out there somewhere right