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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and thanks for joining us on

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Speaker 1: this hump day. Later, the founder of the Black Lives

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Speaker 1: Matter grassroots and former vice presidential candidate, doctor Malina Abdullah

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Speaker 1: will analyze the latest controversial ice involved shooting. Doctor A

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Speaker 1: Dula will also address a legal challenge from the rogue

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter group that was launched against her. Before

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Speaker 1: doctor Abdullah, We're gonna speak with the math guru, a

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Speaker 1: kill Parker, and before we speak with the kill A,

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Speaker 1: DC based attorney Ari Teresa will update us on the

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Speaker 1: legal fight to save a black cemetery. PROFESSDA Maryland and

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Speaker 1: also former New York lawmaker Charles Brown will start us up.

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Speaker 1: But first let's get Kevin to open these classroom doors

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Speaker 1: on this Wednesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed coll Nelson, I'm thawing out from the

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Speaker 2: twelve degree temperatures outside, and otherwise all is well in

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Speaker 2: this twenty eighth of January.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, Kevin, and I'm gonna learn a lot

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Speaker 1: with Charles Barron and doctor Milna Abdullah, Ari Teresa and

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Speaker 1: brother are killed this.

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Speaker 3: Morning taking copious notes, are you yes, sir? And that's the.

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Speaker 2: Most appropriate thing because as you continue to learn, you

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Speaker 2: learned that you can win eight Super Bowls and still

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Speaker 2: not make it into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: What's that about, Bill? I'm talking about Bill Belichick?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Belichick? You know what, I don't know who voted

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Speaker 1: against him, but of course it is record a stellar

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Speaker 1: and it might be envy. Kevin. You know, you ever

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Speaker 1: know people will envy you because you're so successful. They

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Speaker 1: don't envy you if you're a loser, but you're so successful,

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Speaker 1: so this is the way they can strike back. He

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Speaker 1: probably knows the people who voted against him as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, there are ten people who voted against him. He

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Speaker 2: was supposed to get I guess forty out of fifty

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Speaker 2: more that said nope, access denied. So who else they're

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Speaker 2: going to put in the Hall of Fame? Anybody else

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Speaker 2: will won eight Super Bowls?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: But maybe you know the spy gate and was Inflake

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Speaker 2: Where they were deflating the football. And but I think

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady was the perpetrator of that.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, do I know?

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Speaker 2: I know just enough about football that you can inflate

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Speaker 1: You know what, do you think that they'll do the

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Speaker 1: same when Brady's time is up to be voted and

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Speaker 1: you think they're going to hold that against him. If

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Speaker 1: that's the cause why they did that to Belichick, Well.

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Speaker 3: What's good for the goose is good for the other goose.

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Speaker 2: Right, So perhaps he'll you know, association causes assimilation.

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Speaker 3: I got a bunch of those. Maybe he is going.

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Speaker 2: To maybe they'll be associated together with this, you know,

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Speaker 2: because uh, spygate and deflate gate needed a group of

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Speaker 1: Right, But like I said, he probably knows if people

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Speaker 1: who voted against him, they probably were against him all

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Speaker 1: congratulating for winning super Bowls. Then they figure away how

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Speaker 2: Willie McGuinness emphasizing Belichick's significant contributions. I mean the guy

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, he's achieving a lot. He should be.

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Speaker 1: What else he's moving though, Well, we haven't.

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Speaker 3: Heard anything about that though.

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Speaker 2: But there was this guy arrested in Minnesota after charging

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Speaker 2: to Representative Ehon o elan or elon elan Omar he

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Speaker 2: And in a statement the US Capital the Police said tonight,

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, you know, you know what it is. It

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Speaker 1: draws attention to the ice problem. And it is a

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Speaker 1: But the so called rapists, the murders. He painted the pictures,

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Speaker 2: They didn't look like the bed embrace that he was

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Speaker 3: And like I said, five year olds.

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Speaker 2: Clashes between protesters and federal officials could cost them.

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Speaker 3: Their razor thin House majority. Isn't that a great adjective,

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Speaker 2: The administration's forceful approach across the US rich repelling the

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Speaker 3: That's according to politicode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it took the death of two white folks

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Speaker 1: The dude was not you know, he was a nurse.

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Speaker 2: Well, as the Great Malcolm X put it, it looks

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Speaker 2: It will have a negative effect on mid terms for sure,

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Speaker 1: From all of that, I'll tell you, well, let's bring

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Speaker 3: Thank Kevin, all right, thank you, Carl.

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Speaker 2: It's the twenty eighth, and it's then, I mean six

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Speaker 3: Good morning, brother, Charles.

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Speaker 5: Baron, Good morning to both of you. Always great grand

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Speaker 5: rise and always great to be on with you.

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Speaker 1: All right, Charles, Is this an inflection moment for the GOP,

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Speaker 1: as Kevin mentioned, do you think that and the concernatives

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Speaker 5: Fall, Well, it will make cause them some seat, but

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Speaker 5: it ain't going to help us sleep any better because

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Speaker 5: But the challenge for us living in a colonial capitalist system.

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Speaker 5: They're fighting to see who's going to be the administrator

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Speaker 5: of this oppressive system. But it's imperialless wars with domestically

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Speaker 5: exploitative capitalist policies that keeps the poverty in our community.

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Speaker 5: Let me forget, nearly three million people would deported and Obama.

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Speaker 5: You know, I saw some of the most ridiculous one

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Speaker 5: of the most ridiculous CNN our programs I've seen in

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Speaker 5: a long time, even though a lot of them are

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Speaker 5: very very interesting to say the least. But it was

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Speaker 5: the Helman said, well, you know, at least Obama deported

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Speaker 5: You know, he has them and cages and the children

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Speaker 1: All right, hold that thought right, There've got to step

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Speaker 1: And by the way, he's reading the book. He will

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, it's not about excuse me, it's

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Speaker 5: So it's not about replacing the empire. It's about us

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Speaker 5: This is what that is. Mali, Bikinafessor and Bejare in

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Speaker 8: So hold on aladle me because some people have said

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Speaker 5: No, not at all, because if we talk an empire,

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Speaker 5: Lockstand because they benefit the rich number one, The benefits

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Speaker 5: Sure they have a thing. Well, I wrote an article

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Speaker 5: Now I think quite differently, we need a radical rearrangement

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Speaker 5: of the entire society. We need a revolution and on violence,

435
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Speaker 5: even though he went to his grave believeing in nonviolence.

436
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Speaker 5: When the so called riots, he called them riots, we

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Speaker 5: call them up riot and rebellious. But he said, when

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Speaker 5: they asked him to condemn the so called riots of

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Speaker 5: sixty seven, he said, I cannot condemn these violent riots

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Speaker 5: without condemning the conditions that caused our people to riot

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Speaker 5: in the first place. The riot is the voice of

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Speaker 5: the unheard.

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Speaker 4: That's doctor King.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold that story. They're twenty eight away from

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Speaker 1: the top of the family, just joining US. I guess

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Speaker 1: there's Charles Baronies. I'm a New York lawmakers in England

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Speaker 1: and the city council also also in Albany as well. Charles,

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Speaker 1: I answer this question though a proposed nationwide shutdown. It's Friday,

449
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Speaker 1: no work, no school, no shopping, and I guess it's

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Speaker 1: to protest what's going on with ICE. Is this something

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Speaker 1: that you would support?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, one of the things, some of the

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Speaker 5: strategies and tactics to achieve change. It's a worker strike.

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Speaker 5: If you study all revolutions and all movements internationally, whether

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Speaker 5: it's the Battle of Valgiers, whether it's the African revolutions,

457
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Speaker 5: they start off peacefully, they start off talking about worker strikes,

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Speaker 5: they start off talking about civil disobedience and peaceful marchism.

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Speaker 5: It's when the oppressor becomes violent towards these things that

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Speaker 5: it turns to gorilla off and it turns to other

461
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Speaker 5: kind of armed struggle. So absolutely, a worker strike, economic boycotts,

462
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Speaker 5: these are all strategies and tactics. And sometimes if you

463
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Speaker 5: read some of the slave revolts and so some of

464
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Speaker 5: the books, they did a lot about slave revolts and

465
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Speaker 5: it resulted in something from workers slow down on the plantations,

466
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Speaker 5: for faking sick so they didn't have to work, for

467
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Speaker 5: putting stuff into the master's food when they were at

468
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Speaker 5: the table in the big house, from running away from

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Speaker 5: you know, arms struggling, matt turning. So these are the

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Speaker 5: kind of strategies and tactics that are used when you're

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Speaker 5: under depression, and a worker strike is definitely one that's

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Speaker 5: proving to be valuable over the years.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty six Away from the topic, let's go

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Speaker 1: to the content. What's going on with this the hell

475
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Speaker 1: nations that we haven't heard.

476
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Speaker 5: Yet, Well, right now, they're still struggling, you know, like

477
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Speaker 5: they trying their best to you know, reverse it. When

478
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Speaker 5: you see what's happening in Venezuela, a lot of people

479
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 5: think it's just about oil, and it is about, no

480
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Speaker 5: question about it. But it's also about the fact that

481
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 5: Venezuela decided they weren't using the American dollars for their

482
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Speaker 5: currency to sell all to China and Russia. They were

483
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Speaker 5: going to use the yuan that's the Chinese currency and

484
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Speaker 5: the ruble that's the Russian currency. America was angry at

485
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Speaker 5: that because they lose and that's part of the declining Empire,

486
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Speaker 5: and then they bombed Nigeria with the permission of the

487
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Speaker 5: Nigerian government, talking about they trying to stop terrorism and

488
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Speaker 5: al Kaidas, when in fact the Nigerian government is very

489
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Speaker 5: very under the control of the West. And in Nigeria

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Speaker 5: they also have oil that they were selling to China

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Speaker 5: with the Yuon and Russia with the ruble. And then

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Speaker 5: also geopolitics, Nigeria is right next to Nijir and became

493
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Speaker 5: a fastal and Amali and these are landlocked countries that

494
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Speaker 5: liberated themselves from French colonialism and imperialism. American would have

495
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Speaker 5: more influence by being that closer. And Nigeria is a

496
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Speaker 5: part of Bricks as well. So all of this has

497
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Speaker 5: not stopped to say hell from doing what they're doing,

498
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Speaker 5: getting tracticed so they can develop their agri agri business.

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Speaker 5: For using the goal to cancel the air four point seven

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Speaker 5: billion dollar debt, for saying that frank is no longer

501
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Speaker 5: going to be used, coming up with their own currency.

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Speaker 5: These countries are also decided that they the cultural See

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Speaker 5: when we say a cultural revolution, we're not just talking

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Speaker 5: about African dance and drumming and music. We're talking about

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Speaker 5: a way of life, and we're talking about an economy

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Speaker 5: that's culturally impact and the politics is culturally impact. So

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Speaker 5: that America is seeing that all over the world and

508
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Speaker 5: they becoming more and more frightened by it. So the

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Speaker 5: hell is still happening. They are still doing tremendous things

510
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Speaker 5: to be building independent the economy. There's something that Thomas

511
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Speaker 5: Sankara who was assassinated trying to do the same thing

512
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Speaker 5: Potice La Mumba and the Congo was assassinated trying to

513
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Speaker 5: do the same thing they're doing in sa Hell. Kwame

514
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Speaker 5: and Krumer suffered at Kudata where he when he was

515
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Speaker 5: out of town in Ghana and had to become co

516
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Speaker 5: president of Guinea with Akamed Sego Ray. But all of

517
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Speaker 5: the African independent movements in the sixties that took over

518
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 5: the political seats didn't get a chance to transform the

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Speaker 5: economy into a socialist economy. And this is what's happening

520
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Speaker 5: in the Sahell and this is what's happening with some

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Speaker 5: of the bricks nations.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I thought that we got to check the

523
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Speaker 1: news traffick with we come back. I got a tweet

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Speaker 1: question for you also once you explain more about bricks nations.

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Speaker 1: She mentioned bricks, all the sahell nations in bricks, and

526
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Speaker 1: what about the threat Donald Trump says, if bricks moves

527
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Speaker 1: to replace the US dol USD as the world's reserve currency,

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Speaker 1: they're going to meet the full wrath of the United

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Speaker 1: States Army. That's what he's basically said. I want to

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Speaker 1: get your thoughts on that too. When we come back.

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Speaker 1: Then you two can join our conversation with Charles Barn.

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Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four to five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

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00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: calls after we check the news. That's next and Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for waking up with us on this

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Speaker 1: Wednesday morning, cold day for most folks, especially on the

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Speaker 1: East Coast. Our guest is Charles Barn. Charles is a

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Speaker 1: former lawmaker from New York City, from Brooklyn, to be exact,

539
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Speaker 1: I'm discussing what's going on with us A held nations,

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Speaker 1: the question I've posted before we left for the break.

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Speaker 1: But before we go back to Charles, let me just

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Speaker 1: remind you coming up later this morning, we can speak

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Speaker 1: with the founder of the Black Lives Matter grass roots

544
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Speaker 1: and a former Vice Presidential and doctor Malina Abdulla. She's

545
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: gonna analyze the latest controversial life shootings. Also, we're going

546
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: to speak with DC based attorney Iri Teresa is gonna

547
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: update us on the fight to save a Black cemetery.

548
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Speaker 1: PROTHESSDA Maryland and math guru Akil Parker will be with

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Speaker 1: us as well. And tomorrow we're going to be joined

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Speaker 1: by industrial psychologist doctor Edwin Nichols. So if you are

551
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Speaker 1: in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radio locked in

552
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the

553
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: DMV era, we're on fourteen fifteen WL. I'll just keep

554
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: listening to us through your computer or the medium that

555
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: you use it so you can listen to us continuously

556
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Speaker 1: throughout the day. Charles, before I let it, before I

557
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Speaker 1: went to the news, my question to you was about

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Speaker 1: to say, first the Sahal nations. We want to find

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Speaker 1: if that's been this year, Burkino, Founser Andmali, if they've

560
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: joined bricks, And to the threat that Donald Trump is

561
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Speaker 1: issued to bricks, because there was talk about bricks who

562
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Speaker 1: will come up with their own currency that will replace

563
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: the US dollar as the world's reserve currency or petro dollar,

564
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Speaker 1: if you will as well if they joined one, if

565
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 1: they joined bricks and two this threat that Donald Trump

566
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Speaker 1: is issued in Saudi Arabia, tell us if the Saudis

567
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Speaker 1: have joined, and I got a tweet question fee from

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Speaker 1: when I listens as well. But go ahead and answer

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Speaker 1: those questions.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, the international economy is radically rapidly changed

571
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Speaker 5: and by the way, irreversible. You remember the conference in

572
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Speaker 5: nineteen forty four, the Bretonwood Conference here in America and

573
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Speaker 5: New Hampshire, right after the World War too, when Winston

574
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 5: Churchill met with Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt and said, listen man,

575
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Speaker 5: the wars of World War two, I call them imperialist

576
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 5: Wars one imperialist War two. But those wars damaged our

577
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Speaker 5: economy because they took place in Europe and it did

578
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 5: not happen in America. Your economy was to damage. There's

579
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 5: no wars that were fought on your turf. So we

580
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 5: want to let you be the superpower. Now we'll turn

581
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 5: over the currency to you. Well, back the dollar by

582
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 5: goal the goal we sold from Africa, and we'll establish

583
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 5: the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund so that

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Speaker 5: any country in the world that wanted to borrow any

585
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 5: money to establish their economies, they would have to use

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Speaker 5: the dollar, and the dollar would be the currency of

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Speaker 5: our time. And that would give you the power because

588
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 5: the currency gives you power. It gives you power to

589
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Speaker 5: have sanctions, gives you power to force other countries if

590
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Speaker 5: they want this money, to transform their economies into capitalists

591
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 5: astority austerity budgets that you know, give the tax breaks

592
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Speaker 5: to the rich and cut social programs. So this happened

593
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Speaker 5: for a while in America. Right now even controls the

594
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Speaker 5: international economy and to protect it. In nineteen forty nine,

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Speaker 5: they created NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization of Military

596
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 5: Coalition of European and American military coalition to protect what

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Speaker 5: they were doing to dominate the world. And then in

598
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Speaker 5: addition to that, they established the United Nations in nineteen

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Speaker 5: forty six because it was a leg of nations. In

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Speaker 5: nineteen twenty one, twenty two, and you know, way back

601
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Speaker 5: when you know, they of Africa in eighteen eighty four

602
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Speaker 5: and eighty five at the Berlin Conference. All of that

603
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 5: established imperialism and colonialism through Europe and America as the

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Speaker 5: supreme commander of the world's economy. Now here comes bricks

605
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Speaker 5: and say hell. Bricks started in two thousand and nine

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Speaker 5: with four countries Brazil, Russia, India and China. Then one

607
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Speaker 5: year later it brought on South Africa. So that's why

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Speaker 5: they call it bricks brics. And these countries said that

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Speaker 5: they will no longer deal with the World Bank all

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Speaker 5: the International Monetary Fund. They started the CRO which was

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Speaker 5: the Contingency Reservation Agreement. That CR is an institution that

612
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 5: replaces the IMS. And then they started the New Development

613
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 5: Bank which replaced the World Bank. And now they're talking

614
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Speaker 5: about replacing the dollar with a new currency called the

615
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Speaker 5: unit and would be backed by the local currencies of

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Speaker 5: the countries involved and by gold. So by doing that,

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Speaker 5: about twenty countries now make up bricks. Now a lot

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Speaker 5: of these bricks countries are contradictions like Nigeria, Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 5: and some of the others. Vietnam is in bricks, Cuba

620
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 5: is in bricks. And they have two kinds of countries

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Speaker 5: in bricks. They have about ten that are member states

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Speaker 5: member nations and then the other ten are support of

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Speaker 5: nations and they support bricks and bricks supports them. When

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Speaker 5: you combine all of those nations, they make up about

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Speaker 5: fifty five percent of the world population, four point five

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Speaker 5: billion out of the eight billion. This is important to

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00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 5: know and you'll see by the next point I'm going

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00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 5: to make down the road a little bit. They also

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Speaker 5: constitute forty five percent of the gross domestic product of

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Speaker 5: the world. That's your economic strength. And the Poland North,

631
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Speaker 5: which were the imperious countries like Germany, Italy, Japan, America,

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Speaker 5: you know, England and all those countries. They call it

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Speaker 5: G seven sometimes eight. They only make up seven hundred

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Speaker 5: and eighty million people, less than ten percent of the

635
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Speaker 5: world's population, and they only make up twenty eight to

636
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Speaker 5: thirty percent of the gross domestic product, the economic strength.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, you have bricks that are four point five

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Speaker 5: billion people and fifty five percent of the GDP, and

639
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 5: Trump is threatening them with tariffs, taxes on their goods.

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Speaker 5: Here you are the hundred and forty million strong in

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Speaker 5: America talking about products coming in from these countries. You're

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Speaker 5: going to put one hundred percent tariff on, which he

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Speaker 5: backed away from because everybody knew that.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't going to happen.

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Speaker 5: And then you have China with one point five billion people,

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Speaker 5: India with one point four or five billion people, Nigeria

647
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Speaker 5: with two hundred and some one thousand, Russia with one

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Speaker 5: hundred and forty seven million dollars, not one thousand million people.

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Speaker 5: You have all these countries that make up four point

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Speaker 5: five billion, they're not going to be afraid of your

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Speaker 5: little tariff when you want to bring your products, your

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Speaker 5: stuff into their countries, which make up half the world's population.

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Speaker 5: That is the decline of the American Empire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hold, I thought right there. Just looking at some

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Speaker 1: papers in the UK, and one of them, the UK Mirror,

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Speaker 1: says Donald Trump's was rattled four way strong man actors over.

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Speaker 1: They say it was heckled. He was ridly cooled and

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Speaker 1: embarrassed last night. You're not going to hear that news

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Speaker 1: in the US. Eler. You can google it is the

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Speaker 1: UK Mirror that's the headlines on one of their stories.

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Speaker 1: But that's because you know, as you know, Charles, the

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Speaker 1: news that we get here is so it's sanitized before

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Speaker 1: you people you have to go through.

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Speaker 5: And I'm glad you brought that up, though, Carl, because

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Speaker 5: not only did the hell rise and bricks rise, he's

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Speaker 5: at war with NATO, He's at war with Europe with

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Speaker 5: the EU, the European Union. He's at war with Finland

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Speaker 5: over who's going to be the imperialist controller of Greenland.

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Speaker 5: He's at war with his own folk. We're going to

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Speaker 5: annex Canada. He's at war with Canada. Is that war?

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Speaker 1: Let me to be here and check this out. I

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Speaker 1: wonder if you heard this that the buttons and this

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Speaker 1: is again this is why read newspapers from from other countries.

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Speaker 1: Butan has told the bridge that he's got He's got

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Speaker 1: his military armed at all the capital the capitals of

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Speaker 1: the NATO nations. So you know he's just ready to

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Speaker 1: pull the trigger if they one false movee going after them,

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Speaker 1: and folks, you got to read outside at the US

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Speaker 1: newspapers and US media to get some of this information.

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Speaker 1: That's what said. So we see where his ally is right.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know what's interested in that, Putin and China,

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Speaker 5: while you got to look out for them, because remember,

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Speaker 5: there's no country in Bricks or in any other international

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Speaker 5: group that has the other countries' interest over theirs. They

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Speaker 5: may come to some mutually beneficial agreements, but Bricks, China

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Speaker 5: and Russia is not going to do but so much

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Speaker 5: to help Venezuela. They supporting them and supporting them with arms,

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Speaker 5: but they're not going but so far because they're dealing

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Speaker 5: with Taiwan and China, so they have to deal with

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Speaker 5: America and Taiwan. And Russia is dealing with America right

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Speaker 5: now in Ukraine, so those are their priorities. But I

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Speaker 5: do say this about Russia and China and Iran that

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Speaker 5: they are supporting this a hell revolution, which is why

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Speaker 5: they have a mutually benefit of Freeman. It's going to

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Speaker 5: be a new economic colonialism coming from Russian, China and

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Speaker 5: Iran and all of them. No, it's mutually beneficial where

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Speaker 5: African nations are strong. Where African nations are weak, they

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Speaker 5: will be exploited. But you notice not too many of

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Speaker 5: us have Chinese last names or Russian last names because

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Speaker 5: they didn't colonize Africa like Europe and back and by

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Speaker 5: the America did.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 5: Yes, there's going to be some of that, but it's

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Speaker 5: not something that you can totally rely on. There's a

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Speaker 5: lot of contradictions and conflicts within the bricks countries. Some

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Speaker 5: of them like India is still using the dollars and

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Speaker 5: you know others, so it's not like some Coalition made

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Speaker 5: in Heaven. They got some contradictions there, but this is

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Speaker 5: still causing a skin yeah to Donald Trump in America

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Speaker 5: because they see their empire and their dollar is the climate?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: Hold up there, sticks away from the top of the

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Speaker 1: Vince is calling from Maryland, wants to speak with He's

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Speaker 1: online too, a grand rise in vinc You're on with

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Speaker 1: Charles Baron.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, Good, good morning, gentlemen. I tell you, man,

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Speaker 7: what a history class you know, the kids out of school,

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Speaker 7: they high school is especially, they should be tuned in

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Speaker 7: and getting this history lesson would cover an entire semester,

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Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying. And by the Baron, you

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Speaker 7: being out of the state of New York City or

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Speaker 7: out of New York, you're extremely uh knowledgeable of the

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Speaker 7: worldwide economic system that operates out of New York City.

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Speaker 7: And a lot of you laid what you laid out

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Speaker 7: about the green back and the financial system was I

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Speaker 7: mean right on point. So I definitely appreciate that that lesson.

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Speaker 7: So that brings me to my question, which is we

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Speaker 7: keep speaking of socialism, how do you how do you

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Speaker 7: get socialism out of a capitalistic system that was founded

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Speaker 7: on a as a capitalistic system. How do you how

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Speaker 7: do you change that? I don't I don't see that

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Speaker 7: change happening, and I don't know why blacks uh. Let's

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Speaker 7: say still believes in that ideology of a socialist system

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Speaker 7: when it was never created to be there. Could you

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Speaker 7: could you answer that question for me?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, like all systems, it's going to take

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Speaker 5: a tremendous amount of effort from the people to change

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Speaker 5: the system. So while socialism, there are characteristics of it

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Speaker 5: already in American economy. When you have the state or

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Speaker 5: the government sponsoring healthcare, whether it's Medicaid, Medicare, or when

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Speaker 5: you have the early schooling is free in terms of

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Speaker 5: you know, elementary school and all of that. When you

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Speaker 5: have those kinds of characteristics, remember in the nineteen thirties,

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Speaker 5: after the Great Depressions, you know, became unemployment benefits, that's

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Speaker 5: the characteristic of it. These are little things. And then

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Speaker 5: you also had social Security Americans, you know, benefits and

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Speaker 5: all of that. So to actually transform an entire capitalist

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Speaker 5: system into a socialism, you're quite right, it is a

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Speaker 5: major major undertaken. However, you cannot continue living under a

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Speaker 5: system where the richer and the poor are getting poorer

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Speaker 5: with fascism through ice and other things. That escalates where

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Speaker 5: you have class contradictions, so that system them you will die.

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Speaker 5: So when you fight a fight, you've got to have

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Speaker 5: an ideology and economic ideology. You can't just and I've

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Speaker 5: done this all my life. You know, all is fighting

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Speaker 5: against police brutality, fighting for reparations, and fighting for all

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Speaker 5: the things that probably all of us for better housing

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Speaker 5: and all of that stuff. But the root causes of

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Speaker 5: all of that is capitalism.

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Speaker 1: So we thought, right there, Charles, well, we'll be checking

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Speaker 1: traffic and weather in at different cities. Oh, I thought right.

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Speaker 4: There, and I got the call for you for.

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Speaker 1: Your family at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six, two minutes away from the top of

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Speaker 1: the as I make sure we got to check the

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Speaker 1: trafficking weather in a different cities. We're back with Charles

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Speaker 1: Barron also got a tweet question for you for Charles

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Speaker 1: as well. Family. You two can join our conversation. Reach

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Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Wednesday

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Speaker 1: with us just a day. That means we're halfway through

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Speaker 1: the work week. With our guest at Charles Baron well Manteld,

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Speaker 1: we're going to speak with a math guru, a Kip Philly.

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Speaker 1: But Charles's got a couple of tweet questions for you

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Speaker 1: before we let you go. Tweeter says, please ask you

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Speaker 1: Brother baron his thoughts on Harlem counsel and council Usef Salam, you.

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Speaker 5: Said, Salaam is a good friend of ours. His family.

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Speaker 5: We fought hard around the Central Park five case to

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Speaker 5: see that they got compensated. But Salaam is under the

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Speaker 5: direct influence of Keith Wright. Keith Wright is the Democratic

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Speaker 5: boss of Manhattan. Keith Wright used to be is the

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Speaker 5: son of Judge Bruce Wright, and he's nothing like his father.

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Speaker 5: Keith Wright is a neo colonial black puppet and so

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Speaker 5: use really was clueless about electoral politics. So he's disappointingly

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Speaker 5: under the control of Keith Wright and the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 5: They allow for a developer to come into Harlem that's

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Speaker 5: going to build thirty stories high and gentrifyed that particular

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Speaker 5: area because that's what Keith Wright and ol shopped and

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Speaker 5: want wanted. He's not independent, and he's clueless about what's

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Speaker 5: going on in electoral politics, and he's under their control.

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Speaker 5: Very disappointing.

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Speaker 1: All right, And I remember Judge Bruce, right, they used

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Speaker 1: to call him come loose Bruce. Yes, back in the

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Speaker 1: day for after the Top a tweet question company of

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Speaker 1: the studio says, they want you to comment on this child, say, say,

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Speaker 1: the history is repeating based on the Roman Empire. How

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Speaker 1: is success achieved out of economics?

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Speaker 5: Said? Again, history is.

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Speaker 1: Repeating based on the Roman Empire? So how is success

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Speaker 1: achieved out of economics?

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, when you take over financial institutions

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Speaker 5: and a so called revolution, remember this that right now,

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Speaker 5: I live in New York City, the city della capitalism,

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Speaker 5: Wall Street, the world meets in New York City, and

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Speaker 5: he we have a city at eight point six million people,

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Speaker 5: and do you know sixty two percent of them are black,

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Speaker 5: Latino and Asian. Fifty five percent of them are black

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Speaker 5: and Latino. Our problem in changing this system is the black,

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Speaker 5: neo colonial capitalist sicklefen selfish puppets of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 5: So they're not talking about change. And see the only

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Speaker 5: way we can change this system is that we got

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Speaker 5: to look toward our youth. That's how Africa's changing. The

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Speaker 5: average age in Africa, they're saying, it's twenty five years old.

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Speaker 5: That's why Bikino, Fastial and Malian and Nzia happened. The

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Speaker 5: youth demanded it. And in America, the youth. The other

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Speaker 5: caller said, you know, socialism couldn't happen or whatever, But

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Speaker 5: the youth didn't say that, not the youth of America.

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Speaker 5: When they did polls, the youth of America favored socialism

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Speaker 5: over capitalism. It's the older people that brought into the

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Speaker 5: invincibility of the American empire, the invincibility of the American

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Speaker 5: capitalist propaganda machine and this military but all major You

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Speaker 5: don't even have to go back to the Rome and

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Speaker 5: go back to the British Empire that said the sun

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Speaker 5: never set on the British Empire. Now it's a little

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Speaker 5: cloudy mud pat in England with a damaged economy talking

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Speaker 5: about Brexit. So these things will must and can happen, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Charles. Before we let you go, though, tell us

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Speaker 1: about your book. For those folks our people are looking

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Speaker 1: to run for office. This is a great roadmap for

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Speaker 1: what you should do. How to get elected and what

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Speaker 1: to do once you get elected. What's the title of

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Speaker 1: your book and how can you Baghetti?

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Speaker 5: The title of the book is Speaking Truth to Power.

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Speaker 5: It's a compilation of about eighty some odd essays that

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Speaker 5: I've written over the years, and one of the more

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Speaker 5: important ones and it's how to beat the Machine. We

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Speaker 5: in Operation Power in Brooklyn, New York, we beat the

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Speaker 5: most powerful Democratic party machine in the country, the King's

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Speaker 5: County Democratic Organization, and we beat them badly for twenty

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Speaker 5: one years. And we were black radical in your face,

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Speaker 5: didn't win those certain ties, didn't salute the flag that

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Speaker 5: parks spoke out at the governor's state of the state,

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Speaker 5: interrupted him and took him all on. And still in

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Speaker 5: our beloved East New York, we got three new eighty

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Speaker 5: eight million dollar schools, one hundred and ten million dollars

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Speaker 5: worth of renovated parks, of a new community center, new libraries.

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Speaker 5: We were able to get that. Being black radicals. They said,

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Speaker 5: don't tell people you were a black panther. I put

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Speaker 5: it all in their face. I'm still a panther to

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Speaker 5: my heart. And we were able to win because we

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Speaker 5: know how to beat the machine. You can get that

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Speaker 5: book on Bonds and Noble online only, not in the stores,

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Speaker 5: but Bonds and Noble online. Or you can email us

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Speaker 5: and we'll tell you how we can come to your

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Speaker 5: area and do a book sign and if you want,

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Speaker 5: and you can email me at Charles Barron c h

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Speaker 5: A r l E s B A R r O

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Speaker 5: n op as an Operation Power at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 5: C h A r l E s B A r

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Speaker 5: r O n O P at gmail dot com. Oh,

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Speaker 5: and you can listen to us every Friday at w

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Speaker 5: B A I dot org every Friday from five to six.

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Speaker 5: And then we have a podcast every Thursday from seven

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Speaker 5: to eight on Black Power Media reloaded on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Last thing. I'm sorry call call on the last thing.

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Speaker 5: I was so honored. My wife and I I nest.

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Speaker 5: We met with Muma Abu Jamal and a prison. You know,

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Speaker 5: we met stay with him for five hours. Boy, he

872
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 5: is brilliant, intellectual, brilliant, he's resilient, his spirit was up,

873
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Speaker 5: his healthless and bad. We got to free MoMA so

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Speaker 5: they don't die in the dungeons of the pig oppresses.

875
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Speaker 5: But he was brilliant. It was a very enlightening. We

876
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Speaker 5: had a great exchange and we'll be visiting him again.

877
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Speaker 5: So he wanted to say to all of you his

878
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Speaker 5: spirits are up and that we should continue to fight

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Speaker 5: for our liberation.

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Speaker 1: Good to know the spirits up, because we know he's

881
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Speaker 1: had some some health challenges while he was incarcerated, and very.

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Speaker 5: Much he's blind in one eye and he needs the

883
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 5: hepatite and all of that stuff. We got to fight

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Speaker 5: for him to get the proper medical attention. But he's

885
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Speaker 5: incredibly high spirited for all that he's been through.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks for sharing that with us, Charles, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about it next time. Thank you for sharing that,

888
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: especially the information about Momia ten Alfter the top Aur

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Speaker 1: family go to Phileus go down to New Jersey Town

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Speaker 1: Pike now and pick up a Keel b Kill Grand Rising.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 10: I wanting Carl.

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Speaker 1: Bild brother kil is a math grew guru. We call

894
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Speaker 1: my math grew because he's trying to get our folks,

895
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Speaker 1: especially our young people, involved in mathematics. And you know,

896
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Speaker 1: there's two ways of trying to tell them. Teach them

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Speaker 1: about mathematics, and you know, you can tell them that

898
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: our ancestors creating mathematics, so you know, this is something

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Speaker 1: that you should do or you should you should embrace

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Speaker 1: just in the essence of because it's in your DNA

901
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: as a black person does. Does that? Does that work

902
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: though a kill when you're telling them that.

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Speaker 10: It depends on who you're talking to people, you know,

904
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Speaker 10: it may it may help with people that have, you know,

905
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Speaker 10: a cultural foundation, people that are African centered and you know,

906
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 10: understand their history and have a pan African worldview. That

907
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 10: tends to help. But one of the but I think

908
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 10: what what helps even more than that or as a supplement,

909
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 10: is to just you know, sit down with people and

910
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 10: just you know, show them how to do some problems,

911
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 10: you know, especially show them the ease in which they

912
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 10: can solve problems that especially adults, adults and the eldest

913
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 10: that they once upon the time were not able to

914
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Speaker 10: do or thought they couldn't do when they were when

915
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 10: they were younger and when they were in school. Because

916
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Speaker 10: this really is a boots on the ground type of

917
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Speaker 10: situation where we got to you know, expose the problem,

918
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Speaker 10: you know, by talking about it, you know, like we do,

919
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 10: you know when I when I come on here to

920
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 10: your programs. But in addition to that, you know, you

921
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 10: got to just kind of pull people up to sit

922
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 10: down and say, look, let me, let me, let me

923
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 10: show you how to do this arithmetic. Let me show

924
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 10: you some different methods, and it may be exposed you

925
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Speaker 10: to some methods that you had learned that weren't you

926
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Speaker 10: weren't exposed to when you were younger. And then hopefully

927
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Speaker 10: in turn, the adults can then you know, sit down

928
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Speaker 10: with their own children, their own grandchildren, their own nieces,

929
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Speaker 10: their own nephews, god children or whoever, or just children

930
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Speaker 10: from the community you know that may not there may

931
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Speaker 10: not be a so called biological relationship too, and just

932
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Speaker 10: you know, help them with their homework, you know, help

933
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Speaker 10: them prepare for these standardized tests that they have to take.

934
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Speaker 10: You know, we really got to become very aggressive, just

935
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Speaker 10: you know, and approach mathematics with the same type of

936
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Speaker 10: vigor and energy that many of us have approached you know,

937
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 10: sharing you know, African history and African American history, you know,

938
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Speaker 10: to our young people, you know, from those of us

939
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Speaker 10: that have you know, been influenced by the you know,

940
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Speaker 10: the ancestors such as doctor John Henric Clark and doctor

941
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Speaker 10: Ben and Jacob corruptors, Asa Hilliot, you know, people like that, Francis,

942
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Speaker 10: Chris Wilson, Marin Bonni. You know, we've been influenced by

943
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Speaker 10: those people to you know, be developed a closer relationship

944
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Speaker 10: and a better understanding of our history, you know, and

945
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 10: our own in our psychology and what have you. We

946
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Speaker 10: have to really apply the same energy toward mathematics, you know,

947
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 10: whether it be arithmetic, geometry, you know, all the calculus

948
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Speaker 10: and beyond.

949
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Speaker 1: You know, thirteen after the top of the half family

950
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: kill Parker's I guess he's a math guru, but a kill.

951
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: What do you do with folks like myself? Growing up,

952
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: we had a math phobia. It just just didn't like it,

953
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: just just couldn't understand it. It was like Greek or

954
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: Polish or something that. What do you do to those?

955
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: Because I know there's I'm not alone in that category.

956
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: So what do you do with the folks who have

957
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Speaker 1: a math phobia?

958
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, you're not alone. I mean there's a lot of us.

959
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 10: You got to we got to give you an opportunity

960
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 10: to get some correct answers, you know, So show me

961
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Speaker 10: some correct answers.

962
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 5: So you get to the.

963
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 10: Point where that light bulb goes off, and it's like

964
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 10: a it's like a bitter, a bittersweet response, because once

965
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 10: you recognize that it's not as difficult as you've all

966
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 10: as you as you've thought it was for so many years,

967
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 10: you're gonna have a somewhat of a cognitive dissonance because

968
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 10: you're gonna say, Man, it can't be this easy, it

969
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 10: can't be this easy, right, So you're not gonna believe

970
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 10: it at first. It's almost gonna feel like a scam.

971
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 10: That's really what it is.

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Speaker 1: Think about now, hold that thought right there? Are you

973
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: referring to the new maths that's being taught now? And

974
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: if so, tell the audience because most of us we

975
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: went back to the old days. You know, was it

976
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: triggeronomj It was algebra and geomeg arithmetic. Me wondering what

977
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: am I to do with all these formulas that I'm

978
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: learning right now? And that's the conversation I had with want,

979
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Speaker 1: one of my professors in college. But are you is

980
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: there a new math? I keep hearing about this new math?

981
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: Is this different from what we went through when we

982
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: were going through school?

983
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 10: Well, new math is a is a misnomber. Technically, it's

984
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 10: a misnomber. What when people say new math, what they're

985
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 10: referring to the different methods that are being used to

986
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 10: understand the more algorithmic approach. Case some point when I

987
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 10: was young, you know, in elementary school and whatnot, like

988
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 10: thirty plus years ago, right, primarily I was given formulas

989
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 10: and us and processes. Just okay, here the steps. This

990
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 10: is the algorithm, right, This is how you multiplied a

991
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 10: three digit number by two digit number. That's how you

992
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 10: divide numbers, you know, such as long division. Long division

993
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 10: is an algorithm. Right, But our teachers may not have

994
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 10: spent a lot of time, right because of what the

995
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 10: curriculum indicated they should do. May not have spent a

996
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 10: lot of time explaining the concepts and why the long

997
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 10: division works, why the algorithm works. It was kind of

998
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 10: like more of a you know, you know, just do

999
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 10: it because I said so, type of approach, right, and

1000
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 10: that that works to an extent because the algorithms work. However,

1001
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 10: when we get a lot of a lot of us,

1002
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 10: and if we're honest, like the same people that are

1003
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 10: complaining about the so called newmad, a lot of them,

1004
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 10: you know, they may have understood long division, They may

1005
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 10: have stood the multiplication algorithm or the you know, addition

1006
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 10: algorithm carry on one or whatever, or subtraction algorithm where

1007
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 10: you you know, borrow the number from this column and

1008
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 10: put it over there, which which is fine. But when

1009
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 10: they got to algebra one, when they got the algebra two,

1010
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 10: when they got the geometry pre calculus, a lot of

1011
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 10: them couldn't grasp those courses. When you get when they

1012
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 10: got to the higher level math, they were lost. And

1013
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 10: then they said, seeh I hate maths. I can't do this.

1014
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 4: Right.

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01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 10: Had they learned the so called new math and been

1016
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 10: able to understand a conceptual understanding of what's really happening

1017
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 10: and what's the relationship between the numbers when we're doing division,

1018
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 10: where we're doing multiplication, doing addition and subtraction, the higher

1019
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 10: level math would have been more palatable, more easy to understand.

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Speaker 5: Right.

1021
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 10: So what's happening is with the so called new math

1022
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 10: or the common core math, is children are being introduced

1023
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 10: to a lot of algebraic concepts a lot earlier. There's

1024
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 10: the challenge though the teachers have to be properly trained

1025
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 10: in what they're doing. A lot of teachers don't really

1026
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 10: know what they're doing. A lot of teachers are resistant

1027
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 10: to comic core math. A lot of teachers really don't

1028
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 10: have a strong mathematics background, especially a lot of elementary

1029
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 10: school teachers. They haven't been properly trained. You know, I

1030
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 10: think they're well meaning, but many have not been properly trained.

1031
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 10: So therefore a lot of them are not able to

1032
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 10: really teach the common core math to the death right and.

1033
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: Hold if thought right there? Okay, I just looked at

1034
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: the clock. We let's step us off for a few months.

1035
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Speaker 1: We come back though, tell us how this jobs with

1036
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: with Ai. You know, if you got a math problem,

1037
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: it just put it in there and they give you

1038
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: the answer. Why why do you need to know the tables?

1039
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: Why do you need to know the formulas? When you

1040
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: can just ask Ai the question and he'll give you

1041
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: the answer. I'll let you respond to that when we

1042
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: get back. Family, you two can get in on this

1043
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: conversation with a kill Parker. He's a math guru. He

1044
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: wants us all to learn math, especially with our children

1045
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: and grandchildren. What are your thoughts? Reach out to us

1046
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six

1047
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: and we'll taket phone calls next and grand Rising family.

1048
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Speaker 1: Thanks for staying with us on this Wednesday morning with

1049
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: our guest, the math Guru, A kill Parker. Akil is

1050
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: the founder and CEO of All This Math. Wish I'd

1051
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: met it when I was coming up in school because

1052
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I got this math phobia.

1053
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: And now for folks like maybe who have mathobia a keel,

1054
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: they could just go to the internet and chat GTP

1055
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: and just put it in ask the question and gets

1056
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: the the appropriate answer and you know it's one hundred

1057
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: percent correct. Your thoughts on that, is this going to

1058
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: ruin what you're trying to achieve, what you're trying to

1059
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: help out people understand how to do mathematics, Well, first.

1060
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 10: Off, we have to understand. I don't want us to

1061
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 10: make the assumption that every time we put a question

1062
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 10: into j GPT that it will be one hundred percent correct.

1063
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 10: A lot of the answers that you will get from

1064
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 10: chad GPT are not trustworthy. You know, there are instances

1065
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 10: where you can put a math question into chad GPT

1066
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 10: or some other computerized program and it may not give

1067
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 10: you the correct answer. Therein lies one of the challenges

1068
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 10: with you being over reliant on these types of resources

1069
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 10: that you don't if you don't know the math yourself,

1070
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 10: if you don't know the skills yourself, if you won't

1071
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 10: know if you're actually getting a correct answer, similar to

1072
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 10: with a calculator, like how would somebody because we could

1073
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 10: see years ago, you know, people said, well, you know,

1074
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 10: I can just use a calculator for this, But how

1075
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 10: do you know if you made a mistake, Like you know,

1076
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Speaker 10: sometimes you might hit the wrong button by accident. You know,

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Speaker 10: you might think you're hitting the three, you might hit

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Speaker 10: a two by accident, right, But you're going through the

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Speaker 10: problem and then it comes out you come up with

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Speaker 10: an answer, and then your answer is unreasonable. Right, But

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Speaker 10: you're just saying, well, well I put it into calculative

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Speaker 10: But how do you know, right, if you don't really

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Speaker 10: know what to expect, right, Because there's a there's an

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Speaker 10: issue of like we should know if the answer is reasonable,

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Speaker 10: and you need to know the math in order to

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Speaker 10: know if your answer is reasonable. So because sometimes computers

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Speaker 10: there is a such thing as computer error, right, there's

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Speaker 10: also operator error. So like like I mentioned, if you

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Speaker 10: hit the wrong button, right, that's that's an example of

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Speaker 10: operator error.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 10: But if you don't know the math yourself. You won't

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Speaker 10: know if you even made a mistake in your in

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01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 10: your in your data entry. So we can't be over

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01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 10: reliant on these tools. I think what happens is, I

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01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 10: mean that they're just that they're tools, right, But if

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Speaker 10: we if we become over relying on them, then they're

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Speaker 10: actually no longer tool. Now it's a crutch and now

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01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 10: you can be manipulated. Then the other issue is also

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Speaker 10: if we become so over reliant on these tools like chat, GPT,

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01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 10: like Siri, like Alexa, we never get the opportunity to

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Speaker 10: practice our thinking skills and our thinking ability and our

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01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 10: brain is, you know, similar to a muscle. You know,

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Speaker 10: it's like with somebody if you break a leg or something,

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01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 10: or break a bone, right, and you know you're in

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01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 10: a cast for a certain period of time. When the

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01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 10: cast comes out comes off, the muscle is off, flabby,

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01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,959
Speaker 10: and it's actrophy because it hasn't been used. The same

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Speaker 10: thing happens with problems solve. And there are a lot

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Speaker 10: of people out here walking around among us, grown men

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01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 10: and women that are so used to asking chat GPT

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Speaker 10: for everything, asking Siri to do everything, asking Alexa to

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Speaker 10: do everything. When they find themselves in a situation where

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Speaker 10: they have to solve a problem and they need to

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Speaker 10: think critically and do analytical reasoning, they're stuck. They can't

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Speaker 10: do it because they they're out of practice. And like

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Speaker 10: with our young children, it's a very dangerous thing being

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01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 10: over reliant. Notice I'm saying overreliant. I'm not saying that

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Speaker 10: we should throw away the tools. They should be used,

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Speaker 10: but used accordingly. Right, the young people are digital natives,

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01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 10: so a lot of them, if they're over relying on it,

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01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 10: they're never going to have the opportunity to develop the

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Speaker 10: critical thinking ability and develop the analytical reason and ability.

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Speaker 10: And as black people in America and then in this

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Speaker 10: global atmosphere, this geopolitical atmosphere, we need problem solving ability.

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Speaker 10: We need to know how to think in order to

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Speaker 10: solve the problems that we have. Much of the reason

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Speaker 10: that our problems persist is because we don't have the

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Speaker 10: problem solving ability. We don't even have. Many of us

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01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 10: don't have the ability to even identify problems. So we

1131
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,479
Speaker 10: think things are okay. We don't see what's coming down

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Speaker 10: the road. Ten years from now, five years from now,

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Speaker 10: one year from now, one month from now, because we

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Speaker 10: lack problem solving ability. And one of the things I

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Speaker 10: always say is, this is why we have to dig

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Speaker 10: into the math and lean into it, because mathematics gives

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Speaker 10: us the opportunity to practice problem solving, to practice critical thinking,

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Speaker 10: to practice analytical reasoning. So to people that say I

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01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 10: don't need to notice you know first, then let me

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Speaker 10: also say this too. For many people, it's a trauma.

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01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 10: That's a trauma response saying I don't need to notice

1142
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 10: because I can just use a calculator. I don't need

1143
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 10: to notice because I can use chat GPT. I don't

1144
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 10: need to notice because there's AI. That's a trauma response

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01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 10: because we've been conditioned to fear math. We've been conditioned

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01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 10: to hate math. We've math made us uncomfortable when we

1147
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 10: were in school. And it's not necessarily that was your

1148
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 10: fault that you were made uncomfortable. That was a plan, right,

1149
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 10: There was a concerted effort of people putting, of people

1150
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 10: coming together and making sure that you were going to

1151
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 10: end up feeling that way, because as long as you

1152
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 10: end up feeling that way, you'll never become a problem solving.

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01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 10: And if we remember the words of our ancestors such

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Speaker 10: as the late Amus Wolson. The problems of the black

1155
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Speaker 10: community represent a multi billion dollar industry, so therefore we

1156
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 10: have to be conditioned and underdeveloped, like Walter Rodney wrote about,

1157
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 10: to not be problem solvers, so that way that industry

1158
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Speaker 10: maintains itself and continues to grow. So this is this

1159
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Speaker 10: is this is all a plan. So we have to

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Speaker 10: we have to start to run toward the mad that

1161
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Speaker 10: we got. We have to stop saying things like I

1162
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Speaker 10: could just chat gpt it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah you could. It's like you don't need to know

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Speaker 5: that we could. For that matter, Let's let's let's sake,

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01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 5: let's establish some parallels. Let's say, well, do you really

1166
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Speaker 5: need to learn how to cook? Because you could just

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01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 5: door dash, you could do ubre eths. Right, would we

1168
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Speaker 5: really say that?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 10: We could we could buy up processed males, you know,

1172
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 10: with with with that has all this excess sodium in

1173
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 10: it that's gonna lead us having high blood pressure and

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Speaker 10: hypertension and cardiovascular illnesses, and we could just throw throw

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01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 10: that in the microwave every night. We don't need to

1176
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 10: learn how to cook healthy food. We don't need to

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01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 10: know how to do that either for that matter. But

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Speaker 10: that's why I say that makes no sense. So like

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Speaker 10: saying I'm need to understand mathematics, I could just chat

1180
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 10: gpt it, I could just use AI, could just use

1181
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 10: SERI Alexa. It's the trauma response, right, and it's a

1182
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,919
Speaker 10: result in the symptom of our program and our negative

1183
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 10: experiences that we've had in mathematics classes right now. Granted,

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01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 10: for the sake of efficiency, sometimes you should use the tool,

1185
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 10: but you should use the tool when you do know

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01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 10: how to do it manually, when you do know how

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01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 10: to figure it out on your own. So then it

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01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 10: becomes just that a tool and an option. If you

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Speaker 10: never learn it learn how to do it on your own,

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Speaker 10: then in fact it's not really an option.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, by me jump in, because you sound it sounds

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01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: like you're telling folks we should go back to learn

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: how to how to drive a stick shift when we've

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01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: got automatic cars. Isn't this going to be a tough

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Speaker 1: sell because people, you know, they don't want to go back,

1196
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: and you know about clutching and all that kind of stuff,

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01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 1: you know, and they just keep on. Now with no

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Speaker 1: car cars, you don't even have to be automatic. The

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Speaker 1: car will drive itself. Are you going to against the

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Speaker 1: grain of a history the digital revolution here telling folks

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01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: that we should be able to know how how to

1202
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: you know how to drive a stick shift? And we're

1203
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: in the we're in the air and now where cars

1204
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: drive themselves. So how are you going to combat that?

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01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: If I would use that as a parallel, I would say,

1207
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 10: you know, it really is like you said, there are

1208
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 10: autonomous vehicles, right, you bring that up. I think we

1209
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 10: do still need to know how to drive a car,

1210
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 10: because I don't think we should sit in the car

1211
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 10: and just be like, Okay, the car's going. I'm gonna

1212
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 10: completely trust this piece of technology, this automobile that was

1213
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 10: designed and programmed by another human being, right to have

1214
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:40,919
Speaker 10: this this type of control over over my life basically

1215
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 10: because somebody's probably could, just like how to internet is controlled,

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01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 10: those vehicles are being controlled by somebody else who we

1217
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 10: may may not know and may never see. So I

1218
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 10: don't want I want to at least have the ability

1219
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 10: to take over the wheel, right, So I do need

1220
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 10: to know how to drive the car. That's that's for me.

1221
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Speaker 4: Now.

1222
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 10: Maybe yeah, I'm different, but I don't want to I

1223
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 10: don't want to give that much trust to another person,

1224
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 10: right that I'm not going to see that, I'm not

1225
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 10: going to know.

1226
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 4: Now.

1227
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Speaker 10: I know somebody might say, well, what about when you

1228
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 10: take take a flight? What about when you ride the

1229
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 10: bus or ride the trade. I'm willing to take that

1230
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 10: risk because I'm not the person. I'm not the person

1231
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 10: that is that is responsible. I'm making a conscientious choice.

1232
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 10: But when I get into a car, I'm making a

1233
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 10: choice to be in control. Right now. Of course I

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01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 10: can't control what other people on the road are doing,

1235
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 10: but I can control what I do, and as long

1236
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 10: as my car is functioning properly, then I should be

1237
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 10: able to get from point A to point B safely.

1238
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 10: But yes, I am saying that we need to question this,

1239
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 10: this like digital revolution, We do need to question these

1240
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 10: things because it's being forced upon us, and we have

1241
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 10: to be able to like think about why it's being

1242
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 10: forced upun us. You know why, why so much control

1243
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 10: is being taken from us as human beings?

1244
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 6: Right?

1245
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 10: And we need to we need to know how to think.

1246
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 10: And it goes back to my point. We need to

1247
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 10: know how to think and figure things out on our own.

1248
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 10: We shouldn't just acquiesce and capitulate and say, Okay, I'm

1249
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 10: gonna let the computers do all of the thinking for me, right,

1250
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 10: Because then we got to then we also have to figure, well,

1251
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 10: who's controlling these computers that I'm saying I'm going to

1252
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 10: allow to do all the thinking for me.

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01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 7: Who is it?

1254
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 10: Is it us? Is it all people? It's most likely

1255
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 10: going to be some neo colonial pro capitalist of individuals

1256
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 10: and entities that do not have our best interests at mind.

1257
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 10: So then this takes us back to the mathematics. And

1258
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 10: then for a lot of people that are saying that

1259
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 10: have been saying for years, I don't that they don't

1260
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 10: need to know the math, that's fine, even if I

1261
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 10: can see that maybe you individually don't need to know

1262
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 10: the math. You have to, But this is what I say,

1263
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 10: you should consider who does know the math and what

1264
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 10: are they doing with it. So if you say, okay, fine,

1265
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 10: I'm not going to learn it, cool, but then think

1266
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 10: about who does know it and what are they doing

1267
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 10: with it. The people with the math degrees doing with

1268
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 10: the math PhDs and master's degrees, they're going into private

1269
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 10: that are going into private industry, that are working for

1270
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 10: the government, entities. What are they doing with it? They're

1271
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 10: using their math skills to develop algorithms that are going

1272
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Speaker 10: to control our lives. So when we think about mathematics

1273
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 10: that way, in the sense of warfare, math is a weapon.

1274
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,799
Speaker 10: So now we're saying, now, what you've actually done is said,

1275
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 10: I'm going to allow other people to know how to

1276
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 10: use the weapon of mathematics and have access to this

1277
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 10: weapon right at a high level. And then what I've

1278
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 10: done is I put myself in a position where I

1279
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 10: don't know how to use the weapon. So it's similar

1280
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 10: to like showing up to a gunfight with a pocket knife,

1281
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 10: because because you you've essentially said I don't need to

1282
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 10: know how to use a gun, but sure you're going

1283
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 10: to a gunfight. Though, whether you realize it or not,

1284
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 10: you've actively said that this is what we're doing. This

1285
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 10: is the parallel by saying that we.

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Speaker 1: Got some folks on it. Talk to you. Kill family

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Speaker 1: is twenty eight minutes away from the top. They have

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Speaker 1: a kill Parker's I guess we call them the math

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Speaker 1: guru and he's going to explain to us, you know,

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Speaker 1: how math literacy prepares us for media literacy and financial

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Speaker 1: literacy before we get into that. Charles the thirties, calling

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Speaker 1: from Washington, d C. Has a couple of questions for you, Achille.

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Speaker 1: He's online one grand rising Charles, You're on with a

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Speaker 1: brother Aki.

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Speaker 11: Parker Morning Brother Hotel holdchep Brother Carl hotep a brother Kill. First,

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Speaker 11: let me let me just say what I heard you

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Speaker 11: describing the math and maybe not giving it up. Basically,

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Speaker 11: it comes down to what I hear is do you

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Speaker 11: want to maintain independence? And you know, our big issue

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Speaker 11: we're talking about we want to be able to do

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Speaker 11: certain things. But if if we keep giving up our

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Speaker 11: independence gradually, then we're going to be totally reliable on others.

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Speaker 11: But my question with math kill is working with young people.

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Speaker 11: What I've seen is again not only is it being

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Speaker 11: passed down from parents to whoever that hey, we're not

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Speaker 11: good in math, but also they don't seem to have

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Speaker 11: a consistent way of doing pop. You know, they may

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Speaker 11: do the same problems problem different ways and hope it's right.

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Speaker 11: And so it's is how do you stress, Hey, here's

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Speaker 11: the process, here's the steps, and this is how you

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Speaker 11: do it.

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Speaker 12: And then I have a follow up to.

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Speaker 10: That well through through repetition, the repetition. And also it's

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Speaker 10: important in order to develop fluency, we have to have

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Speaker 10: multiple strategies to solve problems. So like let's take multiplication

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Speaker 10: as an example. So there's the traditional algorithm. We should

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Speaker 10: learn that, right, but then there are other methods that

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Speaker 10: are you know, and this is where a lot of

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Speaker 10: pushback comes in because a lot of parents, you know, grandparents, whoever,

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Speaker 10: they get frustrated because well, for one, we have a

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Speaker 10: lot of us we have a negative disposition towards mathematics.

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Speaker 10: So when there's any type of tension or like cognitive

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Speaker 10: issue or being forced to think, think through and how

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Speaker 10: to figure something out, then it creates a stress that

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Speaker 10: we don't want to experience. So then instead of instead

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Speaker 10: of being perseverant and we as educator as we call

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Speaker 10: that productive struggle, right, not busy work, but it's a

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Speaker 10: productive struggle. That's the learning process. The learning process is

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Speaker 10: not always supposed to be easy. It's not always supposed

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Speaker 10: to be fun, right, It's not always supposed to be entertaining,

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Speaker 10: you know, you know, diligent work, you know studying, I mean,

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Speaker 10: you know, to become a master or something. But we

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Speaker 10: have to you know, do it for forty years, you know,

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Speaker 10: and it's it's not always it's fun once you learn it,

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Speaker 10: and then you develop a muscle memory to it and

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Speaker 10: a rhythm to it, you know, that's what that's you know,

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Speaker 10: what I call the rhythm of problem solving, right, which

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Speaker 10: gets into why we need to have certain prerequisites such

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Speaker 10: as multiplication facts, memorized division facts memorized right, But that

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Speaker 10: only comes with consistency and repetition. So we do need

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Speaker 10: to learn multiple methods so we can have flexibility, because

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Speaker 10: then in terms of problem solving, we need to know, okay,

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Speaker 10: what's the best method to use for this particular problem.

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Speaker 10: If I know the partial products method for multiplication. If

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Speaker 10: I know the area model method for multiplication. If I

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Speaker 10: know cometic multiplication where we set up the two columns,

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Speaker 10: which is the foundation of a lot of the work

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Speaker 10: that's done in computer science, right, what our assors in

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Speaker 10: an ancient chemo used to do, right with commetic multiplication

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Speaker 10: and cometic division. If I know all of these different methods,

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Speaker 10: then when I see a multiplication problem, now I'm looking

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Speaker 10: at it from a different standpoint because now I have options.

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Speaker 10: And when you talk about that's what can give us independence.

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Speaker 10: Also this ability to have options and pick and choose. Okay,

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Speaker 10: for this particular problem, I'm going to use this type

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Speaker 10: of multiplication method for this problem. This next problem, I

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Speaker 10: might switch it up right and use a different use

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Speaker 10: the traditional algorithm for the next problem. Okay, let's do

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Speaker 10: partial products right and well, and the beauty part of

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Speaker 10: the beauty. No matter what methods you use, we're gonna

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Speaker 10: get the same answer.

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Speaker 13: Okay. Okay, And I guess and you can say that's

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Speaker 13: a way of checking to see if it's correct. Okay.

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Speaker 4: So, so I.

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Speaker 12: Tutored a kid and with this so called new math,

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Speaker 12: you know, I went back to the math I learned.

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Speaker 13: Some forty fifty years ago and taught him that way,

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Speaker 13: and he was able to achieve I just I recognize

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Speaker 13: some of the language they use is a little different.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 12: And even in the process of doing it there is different.

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Speaker 12: But the fundamentals are are are rooted, uh, and are

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Speaker 12: the same and and and then finally, I'm trying to

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Speaker 12: work with a new kid who told me was strong

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Speaker 12: in math. He out did the county averages. But I

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Speaker 12: realized he's kind of week there. So I've started a

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Speaker 12: process and he's an eighth grader. So I'm trying to

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Speaker 12: hone him in on the algebra and get him to

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Speaker 12: fully understand why equals MX plus b and we can

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Speaker 12: go from there. But it's sometimes it's a problem. And

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Speaker 12: then I'll just finally say this. I've got your book, brother,

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Speaker 12: and I've showed it to a few people where you

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Speaker 12: stress how we should teach that. And actually I'm the brother.

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Speaker 12: I came down to the event in Baltimore a couple

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Speaker 12: of months ago, and you guys are going to have

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Speaker 12: you know, I brought the kid, and I'm going to

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Speaker 12: bring a couple of more if I know we're going

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Speaker 12: to have in January.

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Speaker 1: Right, we got to step aside.

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Speaker 12: I can't respond to the second event the follow.

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Speaker 1: Up, right, I'll let him respond when we get back.

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Speaker 1: We got to check the news trafficking with him at

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Speaker 1: different cities. It's twenty three minutes with matth Guru at

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Speaker 1: kill Parker Family. You want to speak to him, reach

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Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next

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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting on Wednesday with us.

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Speaker 1: It's the Hume day. We're halfway through the work weekend

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Speaker 1: of some folks that haven't been to working probably the

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Speaker 1: first day because of the weather. I guess there is

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Speaker 1: a kill. Parker Akille is a math guru. These company

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Speaker 1: is called All That Math, and hopefully've got some more

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Speaker 1: teachers listening to us this morning before they go into

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Speaker 1: the classroom, get some tips on how to convey these

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Speaker 1: mathmat you know, equations to our children. Before we go

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Speaker 1: back to you, let me just remind you come up.

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Speaker 1: Later this morning, we're gonna speak with the founder of

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Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter grassroots. They will be and also

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Speaker 1: the former vice presidential candidate, doctor Millionai Abdullah. Doctor Millionaire

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Speaker 1: is gonna talk about the Oh she's gonna analyze the

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Speaker 1: lady's controversial ice involved shooting. Also, she's gonna address a

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Speaker 1: legal challenge from one of the rogue Black Lives Matter

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Speaker 1: groups that was lodged against her. Before we speak with her, though,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna speak with a DC based attorney, Ari Teresa

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Speaker 1: is gonna update this on the legal fight that's been

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Speaker 1: going on to save black cemetery in Bethesta, Maryland, and

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Speaker 1: tomorrow are gonna hear from industrial psychologist doctor Edwin Nichols.

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Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep

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Speaker 1: your ready to act in real tight on ten ten

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Speaker 1: WLB or we him the DMV. We're on fourteen fifteen

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Speaker 1: WL CAL. How let you finish your response to Charles

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Speaker 1: the last questions set of questions.

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Speaker 10: Oh, I was just letting them know. He was referring

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Speaker 10: to this Math Symposium series that all this math has

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Speaker 10: been a part of, and we were supposed to have

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Speaker 10: the next session in the series in this month, but

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Speaker 10: it's actually this weekend, but it's not going to be

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Speaker 10: this weekend. It's been postponed to February. It's a Friday,

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Speaker 10: February twenty seventh in West Baltimore at Hilton Elementary School,

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Speaker 10: So it's been postponed. So there was actually invited me

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Speaker 10: on the program so I could promote that back in October,

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Speaker 10: because we had the first session in November, but the

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Speaker 10: second session was originally planned for January thirty first, but

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Speaker 10: it's been postponed to February twenty seventh. So that's all

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Speaker 10: I was letting the brother know because he came out,

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Speaker 10: he came out of show support and you know, we

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Speaker 10: were talking talking about some actual you know, doing some

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Speaker 10: actual mathematics and showing parents things that they can do

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Speaker 10: in the home, you know, with their children, to develop

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Speaker 10: their children into math scholars and us so we can

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Speaker 10: be less reliant. Just like how many of us are

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Speaker 10: over relying on AI and chat, GPT and technology. We

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Speaker 10: also want to be less reliant on schools, right, because

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Speaker 10: we've given schools too much power and too much responsibility

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Speaker 10: for the education of our children. So we have to

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Speaker 10: you know, usurp that control. Right, So when we send

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Speaker 10: our children to school, they're going to school for practice.

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Speaker 10: They're going to math class for practice. Other classes too,

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Speaker 10: but my emphasis is on mathematics. We want our children

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Speaker 10: to go to math class to practice the math that

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Speaker 10: they're learning from us. So that means as parents, we

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Speaker 10: have to modify the definition of what parenting looks like.

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Speaker 10: What being a father, a mother myself included a grandfather, grandmother, uncle,

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Speaker 10: or auntie. We got to modify that and to now, okay,

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Speaker 10: parents and looks like and being that type of adult,

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Speaker 10: it looks like I could come in the house and

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Speaker 10: sit down at the dining room table, which you will

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Speaker 10: show you how to solve equations, show you how to

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Speaker 10: use why it was in next plus b and explain

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Speaker 10: it to you and make it make sense. That's what a.

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Speaker 1: Brother. How can you change the children if you don't

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Speaker 1: know yourself.

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Speaker 10: You got to learn yourself. This is that simple. You

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Speaker 10: got to learn yourself. And again, so with adulthood, we

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Speaker 10: have to start learning things that really matter. We learned

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Speaker 10: things all the time. We have to we have to

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Speaker 10: prioritize things differently. We have to develop a sense of urgency.

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Speaker 10: And for a lot of us, the issue is that

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Speaker 10: we've been conditioned. Right, it's not that there's any I

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Speaker 10: don't think there's any ill will. It's not that we're lazy.

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Speaker 10: We just we've been conditioned to believe that it's okay

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Speaker 10: to just outsource education math education specifically to the schools.

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Speaker 10: Just let the school handle it. I'm gonna just find it.

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Speaker 10: I'm going to find a quote of quote good school,

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Speaker 10: and I'm gonna send you there, and I'm gonna let

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Speaker 10: the math teachers do the work. We can't do that.

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Speaker 10: It does not work. It's not working for us. I

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Speaker 10: don't know if it ever really has. Right.

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Speaker 5: We have to.

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Speaker 10: Become the ones that learned the math that we didn't

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Speaker 10: learn twenty years ago, thirty years ago, forty years ago.

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Speaker 10: We just have to do it. We have to do

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Speaker 10: uncomfortable things, we have to do difficult things. We're grown

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Speaker 10: men and women. We got to put up big girl

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Speaker 10: and big girl underwear on and get to work. That's

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Speaker 10: what we gotta do. And it's easy for me to

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Speaker 10: say that. But we also got to create resources. And

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Speaker 10: I've created resources, and other people have created resources. So

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Speaker 10: it's not like we're telling you to just go out

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Speaker 10: here and figure it out. No, we've already figured it out.

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Speaker 10: You just got to go use the resources. You got

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Speaker 10: to use the all this math YouTube channel. There's over

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Speaker 10: a thousand videos on there. You might not want to,

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Speaker 10: you might not like to, but you gotta do it.

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Speaker 10: And what are you doing it for. You're doing it

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Speaker 10: for the well being and the safe of your children.

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Speaker 10: You're doing it for the well being and the safe

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01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 10: of your grandchildren. You're also just doing it for the

1499
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 10: well in the sake of just the children in the community.

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01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 10: Because what happens when we don't teach the children of mathematics.

1501
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 10: They don't develop the critical thinking ability, don't develop the

1502
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 10: analytical reason and ability, and the children make bad choices,

1503
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 10: and the children grow up and become adults that make

1504
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 10: bad choices and that affects our lives. So we can't

1505
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 10: we can't play this individual rugged individualism game whereas you

1506
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 10: know what I meet, what what shot eto make me

1507
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 10: go to the basketom because we're part of the same community.

1508
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 10: So in fact it does.

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01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:29,759
Speaker 14: Right, let me check in and ask.

1510
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: You this question about the kiel Do you think this

1511
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 1: is it? Will you know it makes more adults or

1512
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: parents be concerned for their children because the world is

1513
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: different from when we grew up. The world is smaller

1514
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 1: because of the Internet. We've got students in China and

1515
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: other parts of Asia. We're going to going to longer

1516
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: classes that we're more advanced in our school school and

1517
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: our educational system. Let's be real, it's not what it

1518
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: was back then. Even then it had some issues. But

1519
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: right now we've got several other countries that are pacing

1520
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 1: us when it comes to how are our children going

1521
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: to be able to keep up? If they one they're

1522
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: locked into the US educational system. We know where this government,

1523
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: this particular administration, wants to totally destroy education. They want

1524
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: to get rid of the Education Department and send it

1525
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: back to the States, and those are a certain nations

1526
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: know what it means when the States rights. When they

1527
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: east to say States rights, you know what that means.

1528
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: So how we can get to be the parents to

1529
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: understand that for their child to succeed when they're on

1530
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 1: gone again, because they'll be competing with children from all

1531
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: over the planet when it comes to whether there jobs

1532
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: or anything else. If they don't, they really don't buckle

1533
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: down and understand what you're trying to share with us

1534
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:37,759
Speaker 1: this morning.

1535
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 10: Through strategic and effective marketing and the repetition of these

1536
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 10: types of ideas and having these conversations and also having

1537
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,560
Speaker 10: these conversations on larger and larger platforms and different platforms,

1538
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 10: and this has to be barbershop conversation because a lot

1539
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 10: of times it's like you know what it is too,

1540
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 10: It's like, you know, we got to offer the actual solutions.

1541
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 10: We got to show people know how to sit down

1542
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 10: and solve equations. We got to actually do the work.

1543
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 10: Because one of the things I remember doctor Clark said.

1544
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 10: Doctor Clark said this on a lecture from the eighties. Right,

1545
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 10: he was talking about talking about ours. I know the

1546
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 10: previous guests was mentioned Al Sharpton. Right, he said, Al

1547
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 10: Sharpton is a great alarmist. Right, if a building is

1548
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 10: on fire, al Sharpton is gonna let the whole community know. Look,

1549
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 10: this building's on fire. Ain't gonna grab no holes and

1550
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 10: spray no water though. Right. But and this is what

1551
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 10: a lot of us do. We're great alarmists. You know,

1552
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 10: we'll share things on Facebook, shared things on Instagram, you know,

1553
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 10: TikTok whatever. We'll talk about All the kids don't know math.

1554
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 10: The kids can't do mad. Okay, cool, that's important. We

1555
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 10: do need to know about the problem. However, the follow

1556
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 10: up to that is, Okay, you, as a grown man

1557
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 10: and a grown woman, you have to learn the math.

1558
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 10: So you can sit down with these children and teach

1559
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 10: them the math. Because it is our responsibility. It's not

1560
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 10: the it can't be the public school's responsibility. The public

1561
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 10: school will present itself as though it is the responsibility,

1562
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 10: but they're doing a poor job at it for many reasons.

1563
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 10: And this is not an attack on teachers and not

1564
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 10: an attack on principles. That many things that are out

1565
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 10: of their control and way above their pay grade that

1566
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 10: prevent many of them from doing what needs to be done.

1567
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 10: So in response to that, we as the regular person

1568
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 10: on the block, the regular person in the community, the mother,

1569
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 10: the father, the auntie, the uncle, the grandmother, the grandfather.

1570
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 10: We have to decide that we want to make the change,

1571
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 10: so we have to teach ourselves the mad. We have

1572
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,759
Speaker 10: to figure up find time, even if it's just twenty

1573
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 10: minutes in a day. I know, I understand that people work,

1574
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 10: you know, strenuous jobs. Some people work multiple strenuous jobs,

1575
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,759
Speaker 10: and we say, well, I don't got time for all that. Okay,

1576
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 10: we got time for what we make time for, even

1577
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 10: if it's difficult. Nobody said it's going to be easy.

1578
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 10: It's not going to be easy. Let me just for

1579
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:48,879
Speaker 10: warning you. It's like when I teach a new concept

1580
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 10: to students. It's not going to be easy because it's

1581
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 10: new and you've never seen it before. But after practice,

1582
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 10: over time, then it becomes easy and it becomes a habit.

1583
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 10: This is what we have to do as a community.

1584
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 10: We gotta do it, and it's all hands on deck.

1585
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 10: We want things to change. We gotta be the one

1586
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 10: so we gotta we got to learn the math so

1587
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 10: that we can become the primary educators. And if our

1588
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 10: children are still going to charter schools, and public school

1589
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 10: traditional public schools and even private schools that we don't control, right,

1590
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 10: because what is the ancestor reuss in peace to jamam

1591
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,600
Speaker 10: a male Alamin h Rap Brown said, Institutions that you

1592
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 10: don't control will be weaponized against you. The public school

1593
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 10: system is weaponized against us. We don't control that. So

1594
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 10: therefore we have to be teaching our children the mathematics

1595
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,680
Speaker 10: at the kitchen table, at the doner room table, in

1596
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 10: the car while we're going places. The brother mission that

1597
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 10: he purchased my book. This is what my book talks about.

1598
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 10: I show how you can take everyday activities that you're

1599
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 10: already doing anyway. This is especially for busy people, right,

1600
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 10: This is especially for busy people. You can take to

1601
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 10: every activities you're already doing anyway, and those and you

1602
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,879
Speaker 10: can I show you how to make those become arithmetic lessons,

1603
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 10: algebra lessons, geometry lessons, and then you start to repeat that.

1604
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 10: Your children become strong and apthomatics. And then when they're

1605
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 10: going to school, they end up being able to practice

1606
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 10: the things that you know you've already taught them as

1607
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 10: their mother or father. But we as adults, we got

1608
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 10: to get over this. You know the sphere of bad.

1609
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 10: We got to get over it. It's it's that simple. It

1610
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 10: may be difficult to do, but it's got to be done.

1611
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 10: We got to figure out how to do it. And

1612
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 10: the way we get over it may be different for

1613
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 10: different people, but we got to do it. You know,

1614
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 10: this is our survival. It really is life and death

1615
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 10: because we're talking about critical taking ability, analytical reasonability. People

1616
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 10: die every day from making bad choices and making poor choices.

1617
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 10: And also sometimes it's not an immediate death, but it's

1618
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:37,600
Speaker 10: a slow like when a doctor king talk about the

1619
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:41,480
Speaker 10: slow psychological death of our people due to the conditions

1620
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,600
Speaker 10: that happens all the time. So we as the adults,

1621
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 10: we got to move differently. We got we gotta do better.

1622
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 10: We gotta make the decision that we're going to learn

1623
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 10: these things and then teach them to our children so

1624
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,600
Speaker 10: they can develop these skills and also so they'll be

1625
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 10: able to compete for job opportunities, to stem opportunities. Even

1626
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 10: in terms of entrepreneurship. They got to be able to

1627
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 10: function better as entrepreneurs by having this this critical thinking

1628
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 10: ability and understanding the mathematics. I submit that a lot

1629
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 10: of black businesses fail for many reasons, but one reason

1630
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 10: is business owners don't know how to do the mathematics,

1631
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 10: to do the proper forecasting, make the proper choices in

1632
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 10: terms of you know, supply demand, you know, you know pricing,

1633
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 10: all these price points and whatnot, all these different types

1634
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 10: of things that business owners are responsible for. They don't

1635
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 10: understand the algebra. And a lot of people.

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01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,639
Speaker 1: Right who I thought, r Dad, brother, Kay, we gotta

1637
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 1: check the trafficking weather again, they're not different cities when

1638
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: we come back, though, a question for you before we

1639
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: let you go. It is about these standardized tests that

1640
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: they have. We know the impact when it comes to

1641
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,520
Speaker 1: English and all things, but do they impact us negatively

1642
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: when it comes to mathematics standardized test. I'll let you

1643
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 1: respond to that when you get back. As I mentioned,

1644
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 1: it's far away from the top of the already check

1645
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: the traffick weather in a different cities. Also, Attorney Ari

1646
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: Teresa is going to join us. We're going to have

1647
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: a discussion about the attack on the Black Cemetery in Pathesta, Maryland. Family.

1648
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: You two can in our conversations just reach out to

1649
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: us and number is easy. It's eight hundred four to

1650
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight, seventy six, and we'll take your

1651
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 1: phone calls after we check the traffic weather. That's next

1652
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family. Thanks you're rolling with us on

1653
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,680
Speaker 1: this Wednesday morning. We're halfway through the work week. It's

1654
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 1: a hump day for some folks that are just going

1655
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 1: back to work for the first day because it's really

1656
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: really cold out there some weather days out there. Our

1657
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: guess is a kill Parker and moment tailor going to

1658
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: speak of the turning your area, Teresa, but let's wrap

1659
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:27,600
Speaker 1: up with a kill and I kill. My question to

1660
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: you was standard eyed tests because we know that when

1661
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 1: it comes to English and other courses that we take,

1662
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 1: the bias that's built into these questions in these Standard

1663
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 1: Eyed tests works against us. Can Does it does the

1664
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: same for mathematics?

1665
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 10: I think that it can, and I think that there

1666
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 10: can be a cultural bias that definitely can. However, this

1667
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 10: is what I say, at this stage of my career

1668
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 10: and at this stage in the game, I think that

1669
01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 10: you know, it's like America, you know, like America Western society.

1670
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 10: It's fundamentally racist, and we have to figure out ways

1671
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 10: to navigate it. You know, with the standardized test, the

1672
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 10: benefit of the standardized test in terms of math is

1673
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 10: that it is an excellent way for us to see

1674
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 10: what stage and what level our children are functioning functioning

1675
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 10: at in context of mathematics, of formal mathematics. What I

1676
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 10: suggest for all parents to do before I get off here,

1677
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 10: and this is something that we should do from now

1678
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 10: on at the beginning of every school year, actually in

1679
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:33,799
Speaker 10: the summertime, prior to the school year starts, find the

1680
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 10: standardized test sample questions for your for your state right

1681
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 10: or the City of Washington d C. Right, if you're

1682
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,719
Speaker 10: in DC, I think it's the part test in DC,

1683
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 10: but every state has their own standardized test. If your

1684
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 10: child is in fourth grade, as an example, look up

1685
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 10: fourth grade if you State of Maryland m CAP, the

1686
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 10: m CAP exam State of Maryland fourth grade MCP math questions.

1687
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 10: Look that up like in July or August as a

1688
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 10: good time, even now in January. It's not too late

1689
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 10: because these are the types of questions that your child

1690
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 10: is going to be responsible for in May when that

1691
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 10: test comes again. This is part of us changing our

1692
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 10: role and modifying our role as parents where we're not

1693
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 10: just outsourcing and just saying well, the school is going

1694
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 10: to take care of that, because in many cases the

1695
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 10: school not going to take care of you. There's a

1696
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 10: lot of and I'll come back in another time to

1697
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 10: discuss this. A lot of math teachers are improperly trained

1698
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 10: and don't really know mathematics. They don't know the content,

1699
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 10: many of them, and they also don't know how to

1700
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,680
Speaker 10: teach the content right. So this is another reason that

1701
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:37,799
Speaker 10: we as parents have to modify our definition of parenting

1702
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 10: whereby it includes being the primary educators of subjects such

1703
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 10: as mathematics. Right, So go online and look up those

1704
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 10: sample questions from the previous year and the previous years,

1705
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 10: and you look at those questions and see if you

1706
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 10: can do those questions. So it's a good measurement of

1707
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 10: where you are as a parent also, and it's a

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01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,680
Speaker 10: good measure of where your child is. So then at

1709
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 10: least you know, at a minimum, you know what your

1710
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 10: child needs to know, and you know what you need

1711
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 10: to do as a parent to go out and find

1712
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 10: the resources to help your child, such as a free

1713
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 10: resource that I created for the community to all this

1714
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 10: math YouTube channel on YouTube. Make sure everybody hears this,

1715
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 10: subscribes and uses on a regular basis. All this Math

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01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 10: YouTube channel, Get get a schedule, a dollar store, spiral notebook,

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01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 10: and a pen or a pencil and tap into all

1718
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 10: this Math channel. Put it, put it or put it

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01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 10: on your smart TV and play some videos and learn

1720
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 10: and learn some algebras, some geometry, some pre caw, some arithmetic,

1721
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 10: whatever it may be. I got content on there for you,

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01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 10: and I'm teaching Black history at the same time. That's

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01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,639
Speaker 10: how I feel about then that I best use them

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01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 10: to our.

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01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:46,599
Speaker 1: Event cool because you know, knowledge makes a man unfit

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01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 1: to be a slave. And the more you learn, the

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01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 1: more you know. So, brother, how can folks reach you,

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01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: especially the teachers, how can they reach you? I'm sure

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01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 1: you can help some math teachers out there listening to.

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01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 10: Us, So on my website, you can reach me through

1731
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,679
Speaker 10: my website All this math dot com, All thismath dot com.

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01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 10: Also the YouTube channel All this Math on YouTube. I'm

1733
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 10: also on social media, running my mouth and trying to

1734
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 10: have positive conversations about math because most of the conversations

1735
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 10: in the Black community about math or negative. So I'm

1736
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 10: trying to counteract a lot of the negative conversations that

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01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:21,640
Speaker 10: we've been having for years, right that has kept us

1738
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 10: you know, running away from the math, right instead of

1739
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 10: running towards it. So I'm trying to get us to

1740
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 10: run towards the math. The math is our best friend.

1741
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 10: We need to run towards it. So you can catch

1742
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 10: me on TikTok on Instagram all this math or Facebook,

1743
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 10: all this math, just talking my talk and also just

1744
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 10: putting out positive propaganda about mathematics, so that mathematics could

1745
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 10: be something that we, as I said, that we run

1746
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:49,599
Speaker 10: towards instead of something that we constantly just run away from.

1747
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 10: Because we got to do it for our children. Again,

1748
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 10: we have to modify our definition of parenting, Like what

1749
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 10: does it look like to be a good parent For

1750
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 10: a lot of us, we haven't been socialized to think that,

1751
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 10: you know, being able to teach our children algebra makes

1752
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 10: us a good parent. We have to add that that

1753
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:06,600
Speaker 10: has to become part of the definition. Being able to

1754
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 10: teach our own children geometry pre capitalist, that's got to

1755
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 10: become part of our definition. And once we once we

1756
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 10: do that, a lot of things about change.

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01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:15,600
Speaker 3: Gotcha.

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01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kle, thank and thank you for because you

1759
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 1: know you've been on this course for quite some time.

1760
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: So I gotta thank you because you know sometimes brothers

1761
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 1: are on a crusader and then they give up, but

1762
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: you haven't. In fact, you've redoubled your efforts to get

1763
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 1: this we're.

1764
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 10: Just getting already, but we're still just getting started, and.

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01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 1: I thank you for it. Let's let's continue this conversation later.

1766
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: But thank you, Kill, Thank you for sharing your thoughts

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01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: with us this morning.

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Speaker 10: Thank you have a good day, stay safe. All in

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01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:43,560
Speaker 10: all that snow.

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01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 1: Too, alrighty, we will do uh eight after the top

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Speaker 1: of our attorney Ari Teresa has joined us. Now he's

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01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: online one grand rising Attorney Ari, welcome back to the program.

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01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 6: Ah, thanks for having me on car.

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01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: You know, the last time we talked about when we

1775
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: were talking about the gentrification in Washington, d see. But

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01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: now we let's let's move over to this black cemetery

1777
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 1: in Bethesda, Maryland for some of our new listeners, a

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01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,640
Speaker 1: councilor let's give us some background how this how this

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01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 1: situation started, how it got to where where it is

1780
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 1: right now?

1781
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:23,600
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, there was a development project for a storage facility.

1782
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:28,680
Speaker 6: On River Road that has happened in a community used

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01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 6: to be a black community. I know people don't think

1784
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 6: of Bethesda that way. Necessarily, but historically, uh, that was

1785
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,719
Speaker 6: an area where black people lived and there was actually

1786
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 6: a black cemetery on River Road named Moses. And during construction,

1787
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 6: I guess in the seventies, when they built an apartment building,

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01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 6: they built it on top of Moses Cemetery. And it

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01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 6: wasn't in the seventies, actually was in the fifties when

1790
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,799
Speaker 6: they started construction. I think they finished closer to the seventies.

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01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 6: But in the fifties they built on top of Moses cemetery,

1792
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 6: this cemetery, and while it was happening, the people's land,

1793
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 6: the black people who lived around it were being pushed

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01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 6: off through coercive measures.

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01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 4: The plan was.

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01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 6: Involved, and this is like well documented River Road history,

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01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 6: and they when they built on top of this cemetery,

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01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 6: they didn't just leave the body there. They bulldozed them

1799
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:48,640
Speaker 6: and pushed them off the site. And what the complaint

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01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 6: is about is this development, this this storage facility was

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01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:00,120
Speaker 6: built on top of where they pushed these bodies.

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01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:06,839
Speaker 1: So where are we today? Then, what's going on today?

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01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 4: Well, what's going on today is we're we're basically suing

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01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 4: them for how they've handled, uh, the remains that we

1805
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 4: alleged they came across during the construction project. There's been

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01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 4: numerous photos of of things that have been found at

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01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 4: the site. There's been some some questionable testing of remains,

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01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 4: uh that that we have taken issue with. And so

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01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 4: this is something that has been studied by you know,

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01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:54,639
Speaker 4: experts in the field, and it's pretty hotly contested what's

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01:40:54,680 --> 01:41:00,040
Speaker 4: going on right now in terms of the development and

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01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:08,879
Speaker 4: also what how how the remains and how the funerary

1813
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 4: objects have been handled.

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01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 1: Right sore they have we found that any persons that

1815
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 1: we had the bodies were exhumed over there. I'm assimilar

1816
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: we're exhumed, but I understand they may have just been

1817
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 1: bulldozed up and bones and remnants of caskets and stuff

1818
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 1: like that just tossed aside. Can you can you explain

1819
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:32,679
Speaker 1: that part for us? And if any relatives of those

1820
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 1: deceased but where they're in that black cemetery, have they

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01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 1: come forward and made a complaint.

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01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 6: Well, I know Paul, he's supposed to join us on

1823
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 6: the call today. He has people who he's historically from

1824
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 6: that neighborhood. And then we have a member who does

1825
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 6: have relatives who were buried in the cemetery that was

1826
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 6: bulldozed in the fifties. And his name is Darryl Cuba.

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01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 6: He's a plaintiff. And we have somebody who grew up

1828
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:17,759
Speaker 6: across the street from this site. There was a school

1829
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 6: and they used to cross uh, the cemetery to get

1830
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 6: to the school. And his name is Harvey Matthews, and

1831
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 6: he's also a plaintiff. And he witnessed the bulldozing of

1832
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 6: the Moses cemetery and uh, the the unceremonious disinterment of

1833
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 6: the bodies from that hillside down the hill to the

1834
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 6: next parcel that's being contested now, so.

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Speaker 1: Jump, you know, and from the family. Basically what happened

1836
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 1: the family. This is a black cemetery in Bethesda, Maryland.

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01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 1: It's one of the more I guess price sections in

1838
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 1: the entire country. You know, a rich neighbor, but let's

1839
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,600
Speaker 1: put it that way. Anyway, it was a black cemetery

1840
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:17,599
Speaker 1: there and all of a sudden something maybe you can

1841
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,400
Speaker 1: fill in the blanks film me about how the land

1842
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 1: was acquired because there was a black Our ancests are

1843
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 1: buried there and this would not have happened to any

1844
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 1: other group, wouldn't even happen to a pet cemetery. They

1845
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 1: dug up our ancestors remains, the caskets, you know, the bodies,

1846
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 1: and and just just tossed them aside. Well the some

1847
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 1: were tons, some were taken somewhere. So maybe you can

1848
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 1: fill in that gap as well, because they said they

1849
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 1: weren't uh that there weren't human bones, there were, there

1850
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 1: were animal bones and all that kind of stuff. They're

1851
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 1: trying to throw us off track, but this is what

1852
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 1: they did. And they bulldoze over and they're pulling a storage

1853
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 1: I guess the facility on on the land that's there.

1854
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: So uh Ari filling those gaps for us. For us,

1855
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 1: they came in, who want who owns the land first?

1856
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 1: Who had the authority to do that?

1857
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 4: And to.

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01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 1: Give us a legal fight? Because you're an attorney in

1859
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 1: the DMV era, what's the legal fight all about? How

1860
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 1: can we stop them? Can we find an injunction? We're

1861
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:18,560
Speaker 1: not lawyers, but you I can tell us what the

1862
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 1: legal resources that we have to use.

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01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:29,640
Speaker 4: Okay, So this matter has been going on. They initially

1864
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 4: started digging up the site, I guess in twenty twenty,

1865
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 4: and there's been a lot of misinformation about what's been

1866
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 4: found or I should say, there's been a there has

1867
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 4: not been a great deal of clarity around what's been filed,

1868
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 4: and information was slow to be released to the public.

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01:44:57,120 --> 01:45:01,839
Speaker 6: In twenty twenty four, a lawsuit was filed mostly because

1870
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 6: of you know, that lag and information and what we

1871
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 6: were able to glean from what was happening from you know,

1872
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 6: the officials at the site, government officials who who were

1873
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:23,599
Speaker 6: kind of involved in this process. And so now we're

1874
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 6: in I think we're in twenty twenty six. The building

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01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 6: is almost built, it's almost complete at this point, So

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01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,640
Speaker 6: I don't know what can be done to kind of

1877
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 6: stop what's happened, you know, just just the the act

1878
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 6: of of how they how these remains have been handled,

1879
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 6: and what can be done at this point, UH to

1880
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:06,960
Speaker 6: respect the remains and you know, honor that heritage, UH

1881
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 6: and and even preserve some of the information that can

1882
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:15,000
Speaker 6: be gleaned from the artifacts and the remains and study

1883
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 6: it that That is one of the main things right

1884
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 6: now that we're trying to accomplish through the litigation is

1885
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:30,880
Speaker 6: just the preservation of what's left, our own analysis of it,

1886
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 6: and then also UH, justice for how it has been

1887
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 6: handled to this point. But desecration has been done right.

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01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 1: Hold on the right there, We've got to step aside

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01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:48,639
Speaker 1: a few and so come, I gotta let you pick

1890
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 1: it up. Because family, this has happened all across these country,

1891
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 1: different places. But once they find out that it's a

1892
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 1: cemetery god who were who was buried there? They usually

1893
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 1: pause and say okay and that and take their business

1894
01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:04,160
Speaker 1: what they wanted to do to another place. But for

1895
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:07,799
Speaker 1: our family out there Moses Cemetery right there in Bethesda,

1896
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,679
Speaker 1: they said no, they didn't care there was black bodies

1897
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 1: under that ground. They still went in, dug them up,

1898
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 1: tossed them aside. And now Ari just telling us an

1899
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 1: attorney that they've erected a building on that site. And

1900
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: why what was our response? I keep saying this, If

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01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 1: this was a Jewish cemetery, is a Hispanic cemetery, a

1902
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 1: pet cemetery, this would not have happened. So why did

1903
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,599
Speaker 1: we allow it to happen on our watch? What are

1904
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 1: we going to tell our ancestors who were buried there? Family,

1905
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:37,640
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? You want to jump in on

1906
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:40,680
Speaker 1: this conversation with attorney Iria Teresa reach out to us

1907
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight, seventy six,

1908
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising

1909
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 1: Family twenty one minutes after the top of the hour

1910
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 1: on this Wednesday morning with our guess attorney Ari Teresa,

1911
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 1: also a DC actress, Paul Fumfrey has joined us. We're

1912
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 1: discussing the mostest cemetery in Bethesda, Maryland's a black cemetery

1913
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,960
Speaker 1: and as we told you, they've went in with bulldozers

1914
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:03,639
Speaker 1: and tractors and they just tossed the bodies, the remains,

1915
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 1: i should say, of our family members, caskets and everything

1916
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 1: out and the put a building on top of that.

1917
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:12,799
Speaker 1: And as I keep saying, if it was a pet cemetery,

1918
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have happened. It was a Jewish cemetery or

1919
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 1: Hispanic Asian said, it wouldn't have happened. They just showed

1920
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 1: some respect. They try to do that to our people

1921
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 1: in Tampa and the city council once they heard about it,

1922
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 1: they basically said, oh, my bad. In fact, we're going

1923
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 1: to send some money and help him fix it up

1924
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: because it was in disrepair. We'll take our project somewhere else.

1925
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,439
Speaker 1: In New York, they try to do the same thing

1926
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 1: lower Manhattan and Professor Small, some of our brothers and

1927
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 1: sisters went out there and laid in front of those tractors,

1928
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:42,640
Speaker 1: and now you're not gonna do this. You're not going

1929
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:46,599
Speaker 1: to desecrate our people like this. But the response here

1930
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,400
Speaker 1: in the DMV is it's been sort of muted. I

1931
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:51,599
Speaker 1: don't see a full throw response like our brothers and

1932
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 1: sisters did in Manhattan. I don't see a response or

1933
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:58,839
Speaker 1: the effect that they did in Tampa. So I questioned

1934
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 1: that the the commitments of our brothers and sisters in

1935
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 1: responding to to what happened, because at some point we

1936
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 1: have to honor our ancestors. If they can do this

1937
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:11,960
Speaker 1: to them, they do to us, just total disrespect. At

1938
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 1: some point, we've got to stand up.

1939
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:13,639
Speaker 3: Family.

1940
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:16,160
Speaker 1: We just got to stand up. As mention. Paul Pumphers

1941
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:18,719
Speaker 1: has joined us, So Paul, before we speak with Corey

1942
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,920
Speaker 1: and Baltimore. Paul, where are we at now with most

1943
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:22,600
Speaker 1: of the cemetery.

1944
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 4: Well, one of the things is that we took one

1945
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:30,760
Speaker 4: of the cases, because there's more than one case in

1946
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:34,080
Speaker 4: the past, we took one of the cases as far

1947
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 4: as the Melin Supreme Court, and we want it in

1948
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 4: Melin Supreme court. Then the Supreme Court said that they

1949
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 4: were sent it back to the district court to give

1950
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 4: us a determination on the case. We went to that

1951
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:53,200
Speaker 4: court trial, we had a meeting with the judge. Both

1952
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:57,880
Speaker 4: sides made their arguments, and the judge said, Okay, I'm

1953
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 4: gonna post, I'm gonna take a recess, and I should

1954
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 4: be back in ten minutes with the decision. About twenty

1955
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 4: five or thirty minutes later, the judge comes back into

1956
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:12,640
Speaker 4: the courtroom and says, this is going to take me

1957
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:17,080
Speaker 4: a little longer and I'll have a decision within two weeks.

1958
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 4: That was three months ago, three or four months ago,

1959
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:25,760
Speaker 4: still no decision. And during that time that judge was

1960
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,559
Speaker 4: suggested to be promoted to be head of the whole

1961
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 4: district court system. So the question has to be, what

1962
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 4: are these county officials who should be taking responsibility for this,

1963
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:44,840
Speaker 4: What are they doing about this? And let's make it

1964
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:49,759
Speaker 4: very clear, there are other black cemeteries in Montgomery County

1965
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 4: that have encroachment has been put upon those cemeteries. There's

1966
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 4: one I know for show up in Sandy Spring that

1967
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:05,640
Speaker 4: this has happened in And so we're determined to in

1968
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 4: fact hold County officials accountable to this Empathica and say

1969
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 4: you can't do it, not only Empathicia, but you can't

1970
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 4: do it anywhere else inside this county allow for people

1971
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:22,759
Speaker 4: to come in and disturb bodies that have been buried

1972
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 4: in cemeteries simply because companies want to make a super profit.

1973
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 4: And so this is why I'm strongly in support of

1974
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:39,680
Speaker 4: this battle with the county government and with this developer

1975
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 4: and challenging them on thinking that they can get away

1976
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 4: with it because they're putting money in pockets of politicians

1977
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:53,439
Speaker 4: more than likely or campaigns, and say no, this is

1978
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:57,679
Speaker 4: not acceptable and we should not allow for this type

1979
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 4: of disrespect for even the dead of our community. And

1980
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:10,680
Speaker 4: that is important for our community to stand up and

1981
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 4: demand that this county government do the right thing and

1982
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 4: force this developer to recognize that, in fact, they should

1983
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 4: not be carrying out this because they want to fill

1984
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 4: their pockets with money at the expense of the Black

1985
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 4: communities departed loved ones. And so I like to impress

1986
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 4: the listeners to recognize that this particular situation is happening

1987
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 4: right now in Bethesda, could be happening somewhere in your

1988
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:51,679
Speaker 4: neighborhood where there may be another black cemetery, especially inside

1989
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:55,040
Speaker 4: of Montgomery County. Because if Montgomery County's government and this

1990
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 4: developers allowed to get away with this in Bethesda, who's

1991
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:01,519
Speaker 4: to say that they will be trying it again in

1992
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 4: other parts of Montgomery County and then the state of

1993
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:06,839
Speaker 4: Maroyland and other parts of this country.

1994
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, that's all right there. Paul eight hundred four

1995
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Cory has joined us.

1996
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 1: He's in Baltimore. He's online three Grand Rising Courty on

1997
01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 1: with attorney are Terresa and Paul Humphrey.

1998
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 10: Hey, good, good morning fellas.

1999
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2000
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 10: At first, I would just like to thank uh, the

2001
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 10: three of you for the work that you're doing, you know,

2002
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 10: for the community, taking up the you know this man

2003
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:34,240
Speaker 10: too so to speak, and advocating for like the hosts

2004
01:53:34,240 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 10: at our ancestors, understanding how historically important Maryland has been

2005
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:46,040
Speaker 10: to our community. These transgressions that the uh, these developers that,

2006
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:49,639
Speaker 10: like the brother said, are just looking at maximize profits

2007
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 10: line the pockets of politicians. They you know, they don't

2008
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 10: they don't really, they don't care about the history of

2009
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 10: Maryland or history of the black communit unity. Uh and

2010
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 10: you know, I feel that a lot of us are

2011
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:07,839
Speaker 10: very proactive. I mean, and I think we should continue

2012
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 10: to be proactive about identifying these sites that are that

2013
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 10: are historically relevant to us and getting in front of

2014
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:17,840
Speaker 10: these uh you know, these these council members and these

2015
01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:20,519
Speaker 10: legislators that let them know, hey, we're not we're not

2016
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:22,439
Speaker 10: going for this, you know, we're we're not going for

2017
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 10: the desecreation of grave sites of people that have contributed

2018
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:29,160
Speaker 10: to the to the building up of of of Maryland,

2019
01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:33,000
Speaker 10: you know. And uh and so uh, I just wanted

2020
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 10: to call in and kind of add add that two cents.

2021
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 10: You know, if you guys have a website where you know,

2022
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:41,520
Speaker 10: maybe we can sign up to you know, to volunteer,

2023
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 10: or maybe we can attend a meeting that you're organizing.

2024
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:48,360
Speaker 10: And uh, because I mean this is this is outrage

2025
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 10: I mean it's absolutely ridiculous. But uh yeah, So, like

2026
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:55,200
Speaker 10: I said, if you guys have any anywhere that we

2027
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 10: can all sign up and volunteer, I really appreciate it.

2028
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 10: Thank you brothers for your time.

2029
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Cory. Any of you fellows want to

2030
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 1: respond to this question.

2031
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:12,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the website is Bethesda African Cemetery Coalition dot org.

2032
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:20,840
Speaker 4: Bethesda African Cemetery Coalition dot org is the website. And

2033
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 4: again the locations right there on River Road, right across

2034
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:28,480
Speaker 4: right behind the McDonald's on River Road, which is only

2035
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:32,840
Speaker 4: about two miles in from the district line. On River Road,

2036
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 4: you'll see it on the left hand side of if

2037
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 4: you're going coming in from DC, you'll see the McDonald's.

2038
01:55:40,160 --> 01:55:42,920
Speaker 4: Immediately behind the McDonald's, you'll see the structure that's been

2039
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 4: built behind it. And the interesting point is is that

2040
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:51,720
Speaker 4: they dug down about fifteen feet below grade level to

2041
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:57,120
Speaker 4: make sure that they would remove all potential evidence that

2042
01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:59,640
Speaker 4: that was a braveyard, and the county allowed them to

2043
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:02,880
Speaker 4: do it, and even the state's attorney's office set back

2044
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:07,880
Speaker 4: and say that they saw any bones, that they must

2045
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:14,000
Speaker 4: stop immediately and have them examined, and instead they found

2046
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:18,160
Speaker 4: the bones. Took the bones over first the Towsand University

2047
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 4: to have one of the archaeologists over there to do

2048
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 4: an analysis on the bones, and that archaeologist said she

2049
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:30,960
Speaker 4: could not rule out the fact that they were not

2050
01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 4: human bones, and so they took the bones from Towson

2051
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:39,280
Speaker 4: and took them way into Virginia over one hundred miles

2052
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:44,360
Speaker 4: away from here into Virginia cross state lines. The County

2053
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:49,440
Speaker 4: Exact knew they did this because there were correspondents between

2054
01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:54,160
Speaker 4: the County Exact and the developers. He did nothing about it.

2055
01:56:54,880 --> 01:57:00,000
Speaker 4: The state's Attorney's office evident they must have known about it,

2056
01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 4: nothing about trying to have the bones were back to

2057
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:07,280
Speaker 4: Montgomery County so they could be tested. And the last

2058
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:10,800
Speaker 4: information we found out was that the developers had the

2059
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:15,839
Speaker 4: bones destroyed and so you can't now test those bones

2060
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:20,360
Speaker 4: that they found at that site. This is how Montgomery

2061
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:24,360
Speaker 4: County has been operating as far as their respect of

2062
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 4: people of African descent that have been buried inside of

2063
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:32,840
Speaker 4: Montgomery County. A total disrespect. And this is one of

2064
01:57:32,920 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 4: the reasons why I strongly have taken the position of

2065
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 4: supporting this coalition and his efforts of demanding that this

2066
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 4: should not just happen and go away. No, we're not

2067
01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:47,440
Speaker 4: going to allow for the county to brush it underneath

2068
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:49,400
Speaker 4: the table. We need to challenge it.

2069
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 1: All right. T nine away from the top of that's

2070
01:57:53,600 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 1: Paul Puffy's and activists out of Washington, DC and also

2071
01:57:56,440 --> 01:57:59,160
Speaker 1: joined by Attorney Ari Teresa. We're talking about the black

2072
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:01,960
Speaker 1: cemetery in But that's the Maryland family. You've been hearing

2073
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:04,840
Speaker 1: us discussions for quite some time. They just just just

2074
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 1: ignored our request and and that's why we bought an attorney,

2075
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 1: Ori Teresa help us out here, Uh to stop building

2076
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 1: on this cemetery where our relatives are buried. And I

2077
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 1: keep emphasizing this would not happen to any other cemetery,

2078
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:22,720
Speaker 1: but total disrespect. And but what bothers me though it's

2079
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 1: our response, it's it's sort of tipid, if you will,

2080
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 1: compared to what happened in New York, what happened in

2081
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:31,760
Speaker 1: Tampa when they try to do the same thing. Brothers

2082
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:34,240
Speaker 1: and sisters in those two places, they stepped up. So

2083
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:36,879
Speaker 1: a counsel, let me ask you, what's the legal recourse

2084
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:39,240
Speaker 1: that we have left now that they've already erected a

2085
01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:43,760
Speaker 1: building on the bones and the remains of our ancestors.

2086
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:46,240
Speaker 1: What can we do? Can we have the building torn down?

2087
01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:49,120
Speaker 1: Or obviously it's just now it's just a money thing.

2088
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:51,600
Speaker 1: We can just hit them up for some money for

2089
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 1: the pain and the distress they they've caused us and

2090
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:57,320
Speaker 1: our families. What's left for us to do?

2091
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:04,240
Speaker 4: Well, that's a pretty complicated question. The Maryland Supreme Court

2092
01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:13,480
Speaker 4: recently ruled on burial grounds and what rights people who

2093
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:18,160
Speaker 4: have a cultural affinity towards those sites, what rights those

2094
01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:23,240
Speaker 4: people have, And so the truth is, we really don't

2095
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:25,560
Speaker 4: know what the remedy will be.

2096
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 6: This is a case that recently was one and well,

2097
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:36,080
Speaker 6: I would say one in twenty twenty four, and that

2098
01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:40,160
Speaker 6: was based on the original desecration of Moses. So when

2099
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:45,200
Speaker 6: I first started speaking, I spoke about how there was

2100
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:50,000
Speaker 6: a black cemetery at Moses Cemetery and it was bulldozed

2101
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:52,720
Speaker 6: down the hill. The bodies were bulldozed down a hill,

2102
01:59:53,880 --> 01:59:56,680
Speaker 6: most of them, but some of them were just paved

2103
01:59:56,720 --> 02:00:00,920
Speaker 6: over and built on by Montgomery County governm because it's

2104
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:06,640
Speaker 6: affordable housing that's built there. And so when.

2105
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:11,040
Speaker 4: Montgomery County went to sell that building, there's a law

2106
02:00:11,800 --> 02:00:15,040
Speaker 4: that says that if you're selling a property that is

2107
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:18,320
Speaker 4: known to have to be a burial site, which that

2108
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 4: was known to be one, then you need to get.

2109
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:28,440
Speaker 6: Certain permissions first. Well, the court kind of rejected that reading,

2110
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:36,760
Speaker 6: but you know, implemented this kind of complicated common law.

2111
02:00:37,280 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 6: You know, they literally talked about land in England and

2112
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:45,440
Speaker 6: all this other stuff. Common law interpretation of rights to

2113
02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:49,520
Speaker 6: burial grounds, and so this is something that is not

2114
02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:57,040
Speaker 6: well fleshed out, and this case, which is adjacent to

2115
02:00:57,120 --> 02:01:05,440
Speaker 6: that case, kind of determine what remedies are actually available

2116
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:09,880
Speaker 6: this case, you know, adjacent to and along with that case,

2117
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:14,760
Speaker 6: which has been sent back after the Supreme Court decision

2118
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:17,360
Speaker 6: to the lower Court for further development.

2119
02:01:18,160 --> 02:01:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna ask you this, the council, can anybody

2120
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,360
Speaker 1: who would feel aggrieved by what's going on? Or do

2121
02:01:24,440 --> 02:01:26,480
Speaker 1: you have to have a relative that was buried there

2122
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:28,600
Speaker 1: and you have to prove or will they just kick

2123
02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:30,640
Speaker 1: up the other folks are just upset and say they

2124
02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:32,680
Speaker 1: have no standing in the case. The just have to

2125
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:36,720
Speaker 1: be people who can actually you know, death Certificatencay. Yeah,

2126
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:40,600
Speaker 1: my grandfather was bare there and of those the only

2127
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:42,800
Speaker 1: ones who can seek redress on this case. How do

2128
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:43,320
Speaker 1: you see it?

2129
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:50,640
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry, go ahead, Well, Well, the standing you know, clearly,

2130
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:54,640
Speaker 4: you know, if you have a relative buried at Moses,

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02:01:56,240 --> 02:02:00,880
Speaker 4: clearly you would have the cleanest standing. But we also

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Speaker 4: have uh that that says that African Cemetery Coalition and

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Speaker 4: they have people who have a cultural affinity for the site,

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Speaker 4: who've been organizing, UH, doing work around the site, and

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Speaker 4: have actually members of a church who are across the

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Speaker 4: street from the site who were buried at Moses. And

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Speaker 4: that's kind of part of the heritage and.

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Speaker 6: History of Moses, UH is it's connection to Macedonia Baptist Church.

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Speaker 6: So I would just encourage anybody who feels injured in

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Speaker 6: this uh in any way UH to join b A

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Speaker 6: c C. Which is the group that Paul spoke about earlier.

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Speaker 1: All right, Paul, Yes.

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Speaker 4: The other thing to keep in mind is the term

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Speaker 4: already just pointed out. The Baptist Church is right across

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Speaker 4: the street from the burial site, is over one hundred

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Speaker 4: years old. That used to be a black community. I

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02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:16,040
Speaker 4: was born and raised in Montgomery County. I'm over eighty

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Speaker 4: right now. I'm close to eighty right now, and I

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Speaker 4: can tell you that we used to hear because of

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Speaker 4: the Afro American read of the Afro American newspaper, that

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02:03:29,640 --> 02:03:34,880
Speaker 4: in fact a number of communities throughout Montgomery County where

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Speaker 4: people would forced off their land. And that happened right

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Speaker 4: there in professor, right next to where that gravesite is located.

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02:03:43,400 --> 02:03:47,520
Speaker 4: That used to be a black community. But when the

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Speaker 4: development coming out of Georgetown, going up Wisconsin Avenue and

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Speaker 4: then coming over into Bethesda. They wanted that to be

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Speaker 4: high end real estate, and they forced the black community

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Speaker 4: that lived in that area off their land. That's how

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Speaker 4: the cemetery was there in the first place, that was

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Speaker 4: a black community, that was an African American community, and then.

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Speaker 1: The fifties, that's all right there, Paul. We asked uside

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Speaker 1: for a few moments when you come back and let

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Speaker 1: you finish your thoughts. And also we'll ask Attorney Iri

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Speaker 1: Teresa about that as well, because last time we spoke,

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Speaker 1: we talked about what's going on in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: So we're all the replacements of all the changing in

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Speaker 1: the neighborhoods. So what are your thoughts. Family can get

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Speaker 1: in on this conversation with Let's reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six

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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family,

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Speaker 1: thanks to staying with us on this Wednesday morning with

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Speaker 1: our guess, Attorney Irie Teresa and also Paul Humphrey discussing

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Speaker 1: the desecration of a black cemetery in Bethesda, Maryland, one

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Speaker 1: of the wealthiest eras in the country. It's called Moses

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Speaker 1: Cemetery and just digging up the digging up the remains

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Speaker 1: of our ancestors before we go back to them. They'll

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Speaker 1: let me just remind you. Coming up later, speak with

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Speaker 1: the founder of Black Lives Matter grass Roots and also

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Speaker 1: a former Vice fairsidential candidate, that be doctor MILLIONA. Abdulla.

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Speaker 1: She's going to analyze the latest controversial ice in Ice

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02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:14,280
Speaker 1: involved shooting. She's also going to talk about a legal

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Speaker 1: challenge that there was lodged against by the rogue Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter group. And also tomorrow, industrial psychologist that doctor

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Speaker 1: Edward Nichols is going to be here. So if you

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Speaker 1: are in Baltimore, keep your radio locked in tight on

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02:05:25,560 --> 02:05:28,760
Speaker 1: ten ten WLB, or if you're in the Washington, DC

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02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:32,240
Speaker 1: A metropolitan area the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty WL.

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Speaker 1: Let me set the stage for your family, because we've

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Speaker 1: all been to a funeral and just imagine your loved

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Speaker 1: one was put down in the ground and then this

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Speaker 1: other company comes up and starts digging them up and

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Speaker 1: tossing away the remains and the caskets and puts a

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Speaker 1: building on there. How outraged would you be? How mad

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Speaker 1: would you be or would that be cool with you? You know?

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Speaker 1: And this is where we're at. And this is why

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Speaker 1: I say the response from the DMV air the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: are tapping at most the brothers and sisters in New

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02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,960
Speaker 1: York they sat and laid down in front of those

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Speaker 1: bulldoze thoses, those tractors so they wouldn't do it, and

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Speaker 1: then they changed their mind. Same thing in Tampa were

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Speaker 1: they reasoned with the city and the city said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll go somewhere else and build out to our building

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Speaker 1: and we'll in fact, we'll even help you build up

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Speaker 1: this black cemetery that we originally wanted to desecrate.

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Speaker 3: But nothing. We don't see that.

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Speaker 1: I don't see that kind of very I don't see

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Speaker 1: that kind of action in the DMV from our brothers

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02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 1: and sisters about what's going on to our ancestors. I

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Speaker 1: don't see the action there. So Paul helped me out here.

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong in saying this or you're close to

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02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:39,120
Speaker 1: the action than I am. You're out there, you're part

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Speaker 1: of the group, the coalition with Sister Marsha and you

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02:06:42,760 --> 02:06:45,680
Speaker 1: seeing more people were incensed about what took place, what

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Speaker 1: happened to their loved ones.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I definitely feel in agreement with you on what

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02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:55,440
Speaker 4: you just said. I want to give it another good example.

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Speaker 4: The reason why the people own the slave plantations back

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Speaker 4: in the seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds used that

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Speaker 4: piece of property for a burial ground was because it

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02:07:12,440 --> 02:07:16,360
Speaker 4: was a swamp. And to even prove the fact that

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Speaker 4: it's a swamp, if someone went over there today, they

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02:07:20,040 --> 02:07:26,080
Speaker 4: would see that the builders that are building that structure

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Speaker 4: there behind the McDonald's still have a some pump sucking

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Speaker 4: water out of the land underneath that building and pumping

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Speaker 4: the water over to a creek that runs into the Potomac,

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Speaker 4: And I dare say the county has never tested the

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Speaker 4: water to see if it's polluting the Potomac or anything else. Basically,

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Speaker 4: what you have is county officials led by the county

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Speaker 4: exec Mark Eldridge, who claims he's all in for the environment,

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Speaker 4: he's all in for helping the black community and supporting

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Speaker 4: the minority communities in Montgomery County. It's turning a blind

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Speaker 4: eye to everything those developers are doing on that property.

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Speaker 4: And I encourage people, if you see where the McDonald's

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Speaker 4: is go around to the back of that building and

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Speaker 4: you will see a pipe, a hose pipe, where the

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02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:29,960
Speaker 4: water is being pumped out this very day. And it's

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Speaker 4: not clear water at all. And it's going across an

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Speaker 4: asphalt parking lot, which is where they had buried the

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Speaker 4: other African American graveyard that the Maland Supreme Court has

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Speaker 4: already ruled on. Okay, it goes across that asphalt parking

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Speaker 4: lot into a creek. It goes into the Potomac River.

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Speaker 4: Now Mark claims that he's so much interested in being

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Speaker 4: an environment listen and everything else. I dare say, he

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02:09:03,160 --> 02:09:05,920
Speaker 4: cannot show any test that he's done with that water

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Speaker 4: to even see whether or not that that same developer

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Speaker 4: is not polluting the Potomac River. But yet you have

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Speaker 4: these politicians claiming that they really support the black community.

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Speaker 4: And I'll talk again about Mark Elters. In the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 4: I was the chair Rainbow Coalition in Montgomery County, and

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Speaker 4: before Mark ELTs ever ran for a political office, he

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Speaker 4: joined the Rainbow Coalition. He along with Jamie Raskin and

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Speaker 4: another gentleman who was on the council, George Leventhal. While

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Speaker 4: I was chair of the Rainbow coalition, and they were

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02:09:51,680 --> 02:09:54,160
Speaker 4: talking about how they yes, they wanted to support the

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Speaker 4: black community and that's why they wanted to be a

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Speaker 4: part of it. But yet when we now approach the

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Speaker 4: these politicians, Jamie Vaskin as well as Mark Eltis about

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02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:08,000
Speaker 4: what's going on in that cemetery, they act like they

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02:10:08,040 --> 02:10:10,480
Speaker 4: throw their hands up saying, well, we can't do anything

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02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:12,560
Speaker 4: about it. We can't do anything about.

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Speaker 5: It, so we want to ask us.

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Speaker 4: People need to question these politicians who claim that they

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02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 4: support the rights of the black community, and yet when

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02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:29,360
Speaker 4: big money comes around, they act like their hands are

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Speaker 4: tied and they can't do a thing to support what

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02:10:32,440 --> 02:10:35,400
Speaker 4: is right for that black community that used to live

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Speaker 4: there in the past and that their bodies of their

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02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:42,919
Speaker 4: family members were buried there and their acting exist. In fact,

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02:10:43,200 --> 02:10:45,560
Speaker 4: it's nothing they can do, even though the law is

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02:10:45,680 --> 02:10:48,760
Speaker 4: very clear in the state of Maryland that they cannot

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Speaker 4: desecrate a burial ground. They're making no real efforts to

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Speaker 4: find out what NI is a burial ground. They knew

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Speaker 4: that the developers dug up bones, but yet they never

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02:11:02,160 --> 02:11:05,520
Speaker 4: demand that the developers produce those bones so those bones

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Speaker 4: could be tested, and they allow those developers to in fact,

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Speaker 4: from my understanding, destroy the bones that they found so

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02:11:15,320 --> 02:11:18,960
Speaker 4: that no one now can test them. And so we

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02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:22,240
Speaker 4: need to be clear where they act like there was

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Speaker 4: nothing they can do. Yes, there was things they could

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Speaker 4: do and they chose not to do it. And even

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02:11:27,120 --> 02:11:31,560
Speaker 4: the state's attorney's office who claimed that if in fact

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Speaker 4: any bones were found in that land that was dug out,

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02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:41,160
Speaker 4: that they had to stop construction immediately, and he did

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Speaker 4: nothing to stop it.

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Speaker 1: All right, And hold up all right there at Paul,

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Speaker 1: because I want to talk to Attorney Ari Teresa, because

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02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:48,360
Speaker 1: I know he's got another cupman and he's got to go,

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02:11:48,400 --> 02:11:51,120
Speaker 1: and we let him go after this question. So Attorney

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02:11:51,160 --> 02:11:54,400
Speaker 1: Ari Paul mentioned the folks who are complicit in this,

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02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:58,520
Speaker 1: the elected officials. So who's the legal action against? Is

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02:11:59,360 --> 02:12:02,400
Speaker 1: it against the elected officials or against the people who

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02:12:02,440 --> 02:12:04,720
Speaker 1: owns the land or the people who are put in

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02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:07,080
Speaker 1: the construction on the land. Who do you take a

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02:12:07,120 --> 02:12:08,080
Speaker 1: negal action against?

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02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:13,200
Speaker 6: It's against the self storage facility.

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Speaker 1: So so the elected officers are not comparable at all

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02:12:19,640 --> 02:12:19,840
Speaker 1: in this.

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02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:25,080
Speaker 4: The elected officials have not been sued.

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02:12:27,120 --> 02:12:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, should they have been?

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Speaker 6: So it's not should they have been? That that that's

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Speaker 6: an interesting question.

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Speaker 1: Because they could have stopped this. They could have stopped

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Speaker 1: this if they just said, Okay, well this is a cemetery.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to desecrate the cemetery. Let's take your

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02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:47,640
Speaker 1: plans and go somewhere else. You know, we've got a

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02:12:47,680 --> 02:12:50,360
Speaker 1: lot of land here at PG County. Just go somewhere else.

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02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:51,320
Speaker 1: They could have done that.

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Speaker 6: Uh, the Montgomery County certainly could have halted this development. Again,

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Speaker 6: I came onto the case and twenty twenty twenty five

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Speaker 6: in November, and I've inherited the posture from a previous attorney.

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02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:23,240
Speaker 6: So you know, I if it were me, would I

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02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:24,520
Speaker 6: have suit Montgomery County?

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02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:25,320
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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02:13:26,280 --> 02:13:30,320
Speaker 6: Maybe, but you know what we have before us is

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02:13:30,360 --> 02:13:31,920
Speaker 6: a suit against the developer.

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02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know you've got a run. But thank you,

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02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:36,880
Speaker 1: thank you and keep us in the loop, and thank

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02:13:36,920 --> 02:13:39,120
Speaker 1: you for helping our folks out there, because you know

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Speaker 1: this should be all hands on deck for this desecration

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Speaker 1: of the cemetery Montgomery County. Thank you, Attorney Iri Teresa

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Speaker 1: for doing that. And let's talk about gentification next time,

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02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:50,880
Speaker 1: because that's what the conversation we had the last time

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02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:53,360
Speaker 1: you were here. Gentification in Washington d C. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Attorney Ari.

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Speaker 6: All right, thanks for having me on CURL.

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Speaker 1: All right, Paul is going to stay with us to

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02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:02,720
Speaker 1: carry on for the rest of So, Paul, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: they took the remains of our ancestors and disposed of them.

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Speaker 1: Was there any effort to guarantee that any forensic science

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Speaker 1: is done that to determine where these these bones remains

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02:14:16,160 --> 02:14:18,600
Speaker 1: are actually from humans? Because I heard there's some reports

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02:14:18,760 --> 02:14:20,320
Speaker 1: that some of the people are saying that they were

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02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:23,200
Speaker 1: animal remains. So I guess it was a pet cemetery.

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Speaker 4: Yes, as I said before that they Yes, as I

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Speaker 4: said before, they took the bones first to Talisand University

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Speaker 4: to a professor over there. She began to test it,

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Speaker 4: and she said that because they wanted her to say

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Speaker 4: there was no evidence of human remains, she said she

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02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:47,120
Speaker 4: couldn't say that from the front preliminary testing she she did,

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02:14:47,720 --> 02:14:50,400
Speaker 4: she could not rule out the fact whether or not

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02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:56,640
Speaker 4: the evidence they brought to her did not recognize human remains.

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02:14:57,120 --> 02:15:00,840
Speaker 4: So they took through Ah that evidence away from her

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Speaker 4: and gave it, took it all the way down into

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Speaker 4: Virginia and put into a warehouse again without letting us

2345
02:15:09,200 --> 02:15:12,720
Speaker 4: know anything about what they that they even had these evidence,

2346
02:15:13,240 --> 02:15:17,400
Speaker 4: because the claim that the county officials were saying was

2347
02:15:17,480 --> 02:15:20,280
Speaker 4: that they had no evidence of anything of any kind.

2348
02:15:21,400 --> 02:15:24,200
Speaker 4: And in fact, we were able to freedom information to

2349
02:15:24,240 --> 02:15:28,480
Speaker 4: find out that the county exact knew of this. He

2350
02:15:28,600 --> 02:15:33,720
Speaker 4: knew that, in fact they that they had discovered bones,

2351
02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:38,800
Speaker 4: and that in fact, he did nothing whatsoever to stop

2352
02:15:39,640 --> 02:15:44,880
Speaker 4: the process until everything was properly examined. He knew that

2353
02:15:44,920 --> 02:15:49,480
Speaker 4: we had experts within our coalition who had actually worked

2354
02:15:49,480 --> 02:15:51,600
Speaker 4: on the case out in New York. Did you mentioned

2355
02:15:51,640 --> 02:15:57,400
Speaker 4: earlier doctor blaken They knew, they knew that we had

2356
02:15:57,520 --> 02:16:02,000
Speaker 4: him that was willing to test him. No, he said nothing.

2357
02:16:02,080 --> 02:16:04,480
Speaker 4: And only to freedom of information did we find out

2358
02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:08,000
Speaker 4: that he had these correspondence going on where this information

2359
02:16:08,200 --> 02:16:13,240
Speaker 4: was shared directly with his office.

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02:16:13,560 --> 02:16:15,480
Speaker 1: Second, here let me here for a second year's serving

2361
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:18,120
Speaker 1: away from the top. Where are the remains then of

2362
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:18,960
Speaker 1: our ancestors?

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02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:20,200
Speaker 10: Where are they?

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02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:25,200
Speaker 4: To my understanding, they said they destroyed them the first

2365
02:16:25,200 --> 02:16:29,480
Speaker 4: Southern Virginia, the Leftman Virginia for about a year, and

2366
02:16:29,600 --> 02:16:32,280
Speaker 4: as they were moving to try to complete the construction

2367
02:16:32,680 --> 02:16:34,879
Speaker 4: out of fear because we are going to court. And

2368
02:16:34,920 --> 02:16:37,279
Speaker 4: then we went on the Supreme Court. On the other case,

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02:16:37,879 --> 02:16:42,200
Speaker 4: they destroyed them. That's to my understanding of what they

2370
02:16:42,280 --> 02:16:49,320
Speaker 4: said said they destroyed them. I don't think so. But again,

2371
02:16:49,400 --> 02:16:51,800
Speaker 4: I guess in Montgomery County, with the politicians we have

2372
02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:54,680
Speaker 4: in Montgomery County, if you put enough money up for

2373
02:16:54,760 --> 02:16:58,840
Speaker 4: their campaigns, they don't pay much attention to the legality

2374
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:01,400
Speaker 4: of whether or not in the fact, they can do

2375
02:17:01,480 --> 02:17:03,640
Speaker 4: something or not do something, and they just do it.

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02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:07,120
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question that these are elected

2377
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:09,760
Speaker 1: officials in Montgomery County, elected officials, any of them look

2378
02:17:09,879 --> 02:17:13,320
Speaker 1: like us who were green like this? These are there

2379
02:17:13,400 --> 02:17:15,960
Speaker 1: folks as well that are being treated like that. Don't

2380
02:17:15,959 --> 02:17:19,160
Speaker 1: tell me they got some black folks on the County Commission.

2381
02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:21,640
Speaker 4: Well, they have members on the County Council. But the

2382
02:17:21,720 --> 02:17:25,600
Speaker 4: people who have been handling this so far has been

2383
02:17:25,640 --> 02:17:31,280
Speaker 4: the county exec Mark Eldridge, who happens to be an

2384
02:17:31,320 --> 02:17:35,520
Speaker 4: angler I mean Anglo Saxon. But the bottom line is

2385
02:17:36,320 --> 02:17:41,440
Speaker 4: official he has not done what he is supposed to

2386
02:17:41,440 --> 02:17:45,879
Speaker 4: be responsible for, and that is carrying out and seeing

2387
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:48,240
Speaker 4: that the wall was taken care of. That's his job

2388
02:17:48,320 --> 02:17:50,840
Speaker 4: as the chief executive officer of the county.

2389
02:17:51,520 --> 02:17:55,320
Speaker 1: Now is he is he elected official, is you appointed?

2390
02:17:55,680 --> 02:17:58,800
Speaker 4: Yes, he is elected. In fact, he's on his last

2391
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:03,280
Speaker 4: because they have term limitations. He's in his last year

2392
02:18:03,320 --> 02:18:05,879
Speaker 4: of office, and now he wants to run for County

2393
02:18:05,959 --> 02:18:09,600
Speaker 4: Council at large and come back onto the county council. Again,

2394
02:18:10,800 --> 02:18:15,440
Speaker 4: let this be very clear. This man has totally disrespected

2395
02:18:16,320 --> 02:18:20,640
Speaker 4: the rights of the African American community that once lived

2396
02:18:20,640 --> 02:18:25,120
Speaker 4: in pots the building in that location, he's disrespected it.

2397
02:18:25,480 --> 02:18:29,199
Speaker 4: And again he's also claimed himself to be a great environmentalist,

2398
02:18:29,959 --> 02:18:35,120
Speaker 4: yet he allows that company, those developers, to pump the

2399
02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:41,520
Speaker 4: swamp water out of that construction site into the Potomac River,

2400
02:18:41,640 --> 02:18:43,200
Speaker 4: and he's done nothing to stop it.

2401
02:18:46,400 --> 02:18:57,440
Speaker 1: And the question is what at this point.

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02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:57,840
Speaker 4: Yes, answer your question. We need to have the community

2403
02:18:58,160 --> 02:19:02,120
Speaker 4: in Montgomery County and people are just did injustice to

2404
02:19:02,240 --> 02:19:06,480
Speaker 4: get involved wor the But there's the African Cemetery Coalition

2405
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:11,280
Speaker 4: and speak up because again Mark Elter is just going

2406
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:15,440
Speaker 4: to run again next year for our county council. Again,

2407
02:19:15,959 --> 02:19:18,520
Speaker 4: we need to tell him we don't need politicians like

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02:19:18,600 --> 02:19:23,480
Speaker 4: him represent him Otgomery County. We need to.

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02:19:23,440 --> 02:19:28,240
Speaker 1: Tell we thought right, Hold on thought right there, Paul,

2410
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:29,760
Speaker 1: let's you finish your thought. We got to step aside.

2411
02:19:29,760 --> 02:19:31,480
Speaker 1: Saw our stations can identify from shelves.

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02:19:31,520 --> 02:19:31,640
Speaker 10: Dan.

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02:19:31,680 --> 02:19:33,480
Speaker 1: They're like, we don't need to tell him. We need

2414
02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:35,760
Speaker 1: to tell the rest of the residents in Montgomery County

2415
02:19:35,760 --> 02:19:37,920
Speaker 1: so they won't vote for him. So let's let's start

2416
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:40,040
Speaker 1: right there. But I'll let you finish.

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02:19:40,040 --> 02:19:40,840
Speaker 4: I agree with your.

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02:19:40,720 --> 02:19:44,080
Speaker 1: Family can get on this conversation with Paul Pumphreys, one

2419
02:19:44,120 --> 02:19:46,360
Speaker 1: of these activists are trying to save this black cemetery

2420
02:19:46,360 --> 02:19:48,760
Speaker 1: and professor of Maryland, what are your thoughts? Eight hundred

2421
02:19:48,720 --> 02:19:51,160
Speaker 1: and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six of

2422
02:19:51,160 --> 02:19:52,920
Speaker 1: those are the magic numbers to get you in and

2423
02:19:52,959 --> 02:19:55,760
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

2424
02:19:55,760 --> 02:19:57,720
Speaker 1: thanks for sticking with us on this Wednesday morning.

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02:19:57,760 --> 02:19:57,960
Speaker 11: Here.

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02:19:58,120 --> 02:20:00,760
Speaker 1: I guess that Paul Pumphreys part of the coalition trying

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02:20:00,760 --> 02:20:04,120
Speaker 1: to save a black cemetery in Bethesda, Maryland. I some

2428
02:20:04,200 --> 02:20:06,280
Speaker 1: of you are just angry, so I feel about this.

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02:20:06,879 --> 02:20:09,039
Speaker 1: Dig up the remains of our ancestors that were bad,

2430
02:20:09,320 --> 02:20:12,880
Speaker 1: Think about your relatives that the bones and that's tossed aside,

2431
02:20:12,879 --> 02:20:14,880
Speaker 1: and just put a building on it and just sit

2432
02:20:14,920 --> 02:20:17,039
Speaker 1: by and don't say anything. Paul, I met you finish

2433
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:19,600
Speaker 1: your thought though, Yes.

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02:20:19,480 --> 02:20:23,800
Speaker 4: The point I was making was that it is important

2435
02:20:24,840 --> 02:20:31,920
Speaker 4: that we really hold our politicians accountable for what they're doing.

2436
02:20:33,360 --> 02:20:36,480
Speaker 4: If they're doing good things, we should support that. If

2437
02:20:36,480 --> 02:20:39,120
Speaker 4: they aren't doing good things, like that it's happening in

2438
02:20:39,160 --> 02:20:44,320
Speaker 4: this situation, we should challenge them, expose them, and basically

2439
02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:48,200
Speaker 4: say that they're not qualified to represent us as an

2440
02:20:48,240 --> 02:20:53,520
Speaker 4: elected official. Clearly, when we do that, we send a

2441
02:20:53,640 --> 02:21:00,800
Speaker 4: clear message never again should this happen. And so I

2442
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:07,199
Speaker 4: encourage our listeners to really consider the fact of letting

2443
02:21:07,240 --> 02:21:12,360
Speaker 4: their vote in this next election coming up in Montgomery

2444
02:21:12,360 --> 02:21:15,760
Speaker 4: County and let these politicians know that they're going to

2445
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:20,480
Speaker 4: vote to say that their disappointment and how they have

2446
02:21:20,640 --> 02:21:27,440
Speaker 4: handled this situation in potensia because money too often in

2447
02:21:27,800 --> 02:21:34,920
Speaker 4: our electoral politics supersedes doing what's right. We see this

2448
02:21:35,080 --> 02:21:37,520
Speaker 4: right now on a national level, we see it on

2449
02:21:37,560 --> 02:21:39,680
Speaker 4: a state level, and this is happening right now on

2450
02:21:39,760 --> 02:21:43,880
Speaker 4: accounting level, and we must say we must take that

2451
02:21:44,040 --> 02:21:49,320
Speaker 4: control over our government to make sure our government represents

2452
02:21:49,320 --> 02:21:52,720
Speaker 4: the interests of our communities and of the people of

2453
02:21:52,760 --> 02:21:55,880
Speaker 4: this country and not just this small group of people

2454
02:21:56,320 --> 02:21:59,200
Speaker 4: who have a lot of money and feel that might

2455
02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:02,120
Speaker 4: is right. And that they feel that they can do

2456
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:07,160
Speaker 4: whatever they choose to do to make their money at

2457
02:22:07,160 --> 02:22:09,920
Speaker 4: the expense of the rest of the community. And it's

2458
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:13,720
Speaker 4: only going to happen if we as a community. And

2459
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:15,959
Speaker 4: I'm not just talking about just the black community. I'm

2460
02:22:15,959 --> 02:22:20,120
Speaker 4: saying in the community of people who want justice. If

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02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:23,200
Speaker 4: you want justice, then we must stay together and demand

2462
02:22:23,320 --> 02:22:26,960
Speaker 4: that justice. This is something doctor King taught us back

2463
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:28,720
Speaker 4: in the nineteen fifties.

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02:22:28,760 --> 02:22:32,600
Speaker 1: Right and you there, yeah, because we've got to run

2465
02:22:32,840 --> 02:22:35,000
Speaker 1: Paul before we let you go there. How can people

2466
02:22:35,040 --> 02:22:37,720
Speaker 1: help you? Some people listening around the country, even outside

2467
02:22:37,720 --> 02:22:39,720
Speaker 1: of the country, how can they help you because you've

2468
02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:42,360
Speaker 1: got to pay for the legal fight to continue to help,

2469
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, to if we can turn this thing around

2470
02:22:44,600 --> 02:22:48,680
Speaker 1: to stop them from desecrating this cemetery. But there's going

2471
02:22:48,720 --> 02:22:49,240
Speaker 1: to reach you.

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02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:53,160
Speaker 4: Well, as people know that when you deal with a

2473
02:22:53,240 --> 02:22:58,160
Speaker 4: legal fight, it's not cheap. It's going to cost resources.

2474
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:03,080
Speaker 4: And so we urge people to go to our website.

2475
02:23:04,280 --> 02:23:09,160
Speaker 4: But there's an African Cemetery Coalition dot org and they

2476
02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:13,840
Speaker 4: can make contributions, they can send us support notes, and

2477
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:19,000
Speaker 4: they can also ask us when we're having events and

2478
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:24,080
Speaker 4: actually if they're in the area participate in those events.

2479
02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:29,360
Speaker 4: But we really need people support in standing up. We

2480
02:23:29,440 --> 02:23:32,520
Speaker 4: need people to in fact write letters to the elected

2481
02:23:32,560 --> 02:23:38,640
Speaker 4: officials elected. We have a county state's attorneys office who

2482
02:23:38,720 --> 02:23:43,840
Speaker 4: claimed that if they saw anything like bones or taskets

2483
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:47,440
Speaker 4: or culminary objects that they were going to they were

2484
02:23:47,480 --> 02:23:50,640
Speaker 4: supposed to develop us are supposed to stop construction immediately.

2485
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:55,840
Speaker 4: They didn't do that, and obviously he did not verify

2486
02:23:56,040 --> 02:23:58,240
Speaker 4: when that they weren't doing it, I'm not doing it.

2487
02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:02,400
Speaker 4: And so these people need to be held accountable for

2488
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:07,440
Speaker 4: not doing their elected responsibility. They were elected to take

2489
02:24:07,480 --> 02:24:10,320
Speaker 4: on certain responsibilities that they did not follow through on,

2490
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:13,320
Speaker 4: and so we need to hold them accountable for that

2491
02:24:13,840 --> 02:24:17,480
Speaker 4: when this election comes up in the next year. We

2492
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:21,000
Speaker 4: got an election come up in November. We need to

2493
02:24:21,040 --> 02:24:23,360
Speaker 4: hold these people accountable, and we need to let them

2494
02:24:23,400 --> 02:24:27,000
Speaker 4: know we're going to hold them accountable. You got still

2495
02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:30,120
Speaker 4: the developers are pumping out the water out of that

2496
02:24:31,320 --> 02:24:34,480
Speaker 4: swamp land that the building is on right now and

2497
02:24:34,560 --> 02:24:37,760
Speaker 4: allowing that water to go into the Potomac River. Yet

2498
02:24:37,800 --> 02:24:41,119
Speaker 4: these politicians are claiming that they're environmentalists and they've never

2499
02:24:41,200 --> 02:24:44,680
Speaker 4: tested the water right. We got to get hold accountable

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02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:45,000
Speaker 4: for it.

2501
02:24:45,360 --> 02:24:47,320
Speaker 1: Paul, we got to run, but I thank you for

2502
02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:49,040
Speaker 1: thank you for the work that you do, and also

2503
02:24:49,080 --> 02:24:50,640
Speaker 1: thank you for the work you do with the Friends

2504
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:52,240
Speaker 1: of the Congo as well, because we've got to get

2505
02:24:52,280 --> 02:24:54,000
Speaker 1: you back to talk about what's going on in the Congo.

2506
02:24:54,040 --> 02:24:55,920
Speaker 1: And thank you for sharing your thoughts this morning.

2507
02:24:56,959 --> 02:24:59,480
Speaker 4: And I thank you so very much. All right, FA,

2508
02:25:00,080 --> 02:25:00,640
Speaker 4: have a good day.

2509
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:04,560
Speaker 1: That's Paul Pumphrey. He's activist in Washington, d c. Trying

2510
02:25:04,560 --> 02:25:07,080
Speaker 1: to help save that cemetery PROTHESSA and also is a

2511
02:25:07,080 --> 02:25:08,920
Speaker 1: part of the group called Friends of the Congo. Also

2512
02:25:08,959 --> 02:25:11,200
Speaker 1: give us information what's going on in the Congo. Six

2513
02:25:11,320 --> 02:25:13,000
Speaker 1: after the top day. All right, now, let's turn our

2514
02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:16,680
Speaker 1: attention to doctor Miliina Abdullah. Doctor Abdullah is the one

2515
02:25:16,720 --> 02:25:18,240
Speaker 1: of the who's the co founder, one of the co

2516
02:25:18,280 --> 02:25:21,360
Speaker 1: founders of the Black Lives Matter grassroots group and also

2517
02:25:21,360 --> 02:25:24,320
Speaker 1: a form of vice presidential candidate. Doctor Miliina Abdullah, welcome

2518
02:25:24,360 --> 02:25:25,800
Speaker 1: back to the program.

2519
02:25:26,360 --> 02:25:28,600
Speaker 15: Thank you, brother Carl, thank you so much for having me.

2520
02:25:29,560 --> 02:25:32,560
Speaker 1: All Right, first, let's let's start off. Well, do you

2521
02:25:32,600 --> 02:25:34,080
Speaker 1: want to start with the legal issue? Do you want

2522
02:25:34,120 --> 02:25:36,480
Speaker 1: to start with what's going on with ice I'll let

2523
02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:37,800
Speaker 1: you choose. How about that.

2524
02:25:38,800 --> 02:25:42,360
Speaker 15: Let's let's start with what's going on with Keith Porter

2525
02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:45,959
Speaker 15: and ice, because I think the legal issue is meant

2526
02:25:45,959 --> 02:25:48,720
Speaker 15: to distract us from the real work, which is getting

2527
02:25:48,920 --> 02:25:52,680
Speaker 15: justice for black people, all right, And.

2528
02:25:52,600 --> 02:25:54,320
Speaker 1: For the family who don't know who he is, can

2529
02:25:54,360 --> 02:25:56,920
Speaker 1: you can refresh their memories because you know, I know

2530
02:25:56,959 --> 02:25:59,200
Speaker 1: it's a big story out in California, but for the

2531
02:25:59,240 --> 02:26:01,320
Speaker 1: rest of the country, people, the people don't know what happened.

2532
02:26:01,360 --> 02:26:02,280
Speaker 1: Can you share that with us?

2533
02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:04,280
Speaker 4: Do? Yeah?

2534
02:26:04,400 --> 02:26:08,640
Speaker 15: Yeah? So all over the country people are rightfully and

2535
02:26:08,760 --> 02:26:15,240
Speaker 15: righteously upset and enraged and mourning over the murders of

2536
02:26:15,560 --> 02:26:19,640
Speaker 15: Renee Good and Alex Pretty who were killed by ice

2537
02:26:19,840 --> 02:26:24,680
Speaker 15: in Minneapolis. But the first US citizen to be killed

2538
02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:28,440
Speaker 15: by ice was here in Los Angeles, and that happened

2539
02:26:28,480 --> 02:26:31,160
Speaker 15: on New Year's Eve. He was a black father, he

2540
02:26:31,280 --> 02:26:35,240
Speaker 15: was a black worker, a black son, a loving member

2541
02:26:35,240 --> 02:26:38,800
Speaker 15: of community, and his name is Keith Porter. So on

2542
02:26:38,879 --> 02:26:43,760
Speaker 15: New Year's Eve, Keith Porter was celebrating the way that many, many,

2543
02:26:43,920 --> 02:26:48,000
Speaker 15: thousands of people celebrate all around the country. That's why

2544
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:52,120
Speaker 15: there's advisories about it. He went outside on New Year's

2545
02:26:52,120 --> 02:26:58,760
Speaker 15: Eve and fired a celebratory shot into the air. Apparently

2546
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:02,199
Speaker 15: there was an ICE agent, an off duty ICE agent

2547
02:27:02,280 --> 02:27:06,520
Speaker 15: who lived in his very large apartment complex. That ICE agent,

2548
02:27:06,560 --> 02:27:09,840
Speaker 15: whose name is Brian Palasios. Because I believe in name

2549
02:27:09,920 --> 02:27:16,320
Speaker 15: and names. Brian Palasios went back inside his apartment, put

2550
02:27:16,360 --> 02:27:19,960
Speaker 15: on his full tactical gear, grabbed his ICE issued firearm,

2551
02:27:20,440 --> 02:27:23,400
Speaker 15: and then came out and shot Keith Bord did just

2552
02:27:24,520 --> 02:27:29,080
Speaker 15: steps from his own front door. And sadly, very little

2553
02:27:29,120 --> 02:27:34,480
Speaker 15: has been said or amplified publicly and in mainstream media

2554
02:27:34,879 --> 02:27:40,519
Speaker 15: about Keith Porter's death. But we've gotten community involved. Community

2555
02:27:40,560 --> 02:27:44,480
Speaker 15: is who identified as killer as Brian Palasios. Community has

2556
02:27:44,480 --> 02:27:48,560
Speaker 15: also released a photo of Brian Pelasios, and we continue

2557
02:27:48,680 --> 02:27:53,160
Speaker 15: to surround and uplift Keith Porter and his family were

2558
02:27:53,200 --> 02:27:57,200
Speaker 15: demanding that the killer, Brian Palasios, be arrested. He has

2559
02:27:57,280 --> 02:28:03,200
Speaker 15: not been arrested, prosecuted. He has not been prosecuted, no

2560
02:28:03,400 --> 02:28:07,240
Speaker 15: charges have been filed. And that LAPD and local law

2561
02:28:07,360 --> 02:28:14,200
Speaker 15: enforcement quit with their practice of character assassination. So after

2562
02:28:14,400 --> 02:28:17,400
Speaker 15: the lives of our people are stolen, what they do

2563
02:28:17,480 --> 02:28:21,000
Speaker 15: is then go back and assassinate their characters and blame

2564
02:28:21,080 --> 02:28:24,560
Speaker 15: them essentially for their own debts, and so we're saying

2565
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:28,520
Speaker 15: justice for Keith Order. Yesterday we delivered a petition that

2566
02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:32,920
Speaker 15: was signed by more than eighteen thousand people demanding that

2567
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:37,040
Speaker 15: the LAPD chief Jim McDonald, who is a colluder with ICE,

2568
02:28:38,200 --> 02:28:42,040
Speaker 15: that he make an arrest and remove this dangerous criminal,

2569
02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:44,800
Speaker 15: Brian Pelasio's off of the streets.

2570
02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:49,760
Speaker 1: So I take it you're not surprised because no rest

2571
02:28:49,760 --> 02:28:53,000
Speaker 1: had been made in any of the ice controversial ICE shootings.

2572
02:28:53,160 --> 02:28:56,560
Speaker 1: So what's the next move then? If they won't, if

2573
02:28:56,560 --> 02:29:01,160
Speaker 1: the local officials LAPD won't, you go to the city

2574
02:29:01,160 --> 02:29:04,000
Speaker 1: of turn and file charges, what can the community do?

2575
02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:05,480
Speaker 10: Right?

2576
02:29:05,560 --> 02:29:08,280
Speaker 15: So there's several things moving. One, of course, we're not

2577
02:29:08,640 --> 02:29:12,080
Speaker 15: entrusting LAPD to do which should be done. And they

2578
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:17,400
Speaker 15: covered up. So when Brian Pelasios killed Keith Porter, LAPD

2579
02:29:17,600 --> 02:29:21,279
Speaker 15: actually covered it up. They took a statement from Palazios.

2580
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:25,640
Speaker 15: In fact to three statements from Palazios, they never revealed

2581
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:29,480
Speaker 15: his identity to the public. Through community efforts, we wound

2582
02:29:29,520 --> 02:29:31,840
Speaker 15: up again getting his name, getting his photo, but also

2583
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:35,640
Speaker 15: getting court documents that show that this person. I know

2584
02:29:35,680 --> 02:29:40,080
Speaker 15: people sometimes don't like using the word pig about police,

2585
02:29:40,120 --> 02:29:44,840
Speaker 15: but when you look at Brian Pelazio's record. He is

2586
02:29:45,080 --> 02:29:50,359
Speaker 15: a child abuser. He has restraining orders against him because

2587
02:29:50,400 --> 02:29:56,360
Speaker 15: this man carried unholstered firearms in order to intimidate the

2588
02:29:56,400 --> 02:29:59,640
Speaker 15: ex husband of his girlfriend to a children's soccer game.

2589
02:30:00,240 --> 02:30:06,039
Speaker 15: He is such an abuser that he was abusing his

2590
02:30:06,200 --> 02:30:10,080
Speaker 15: child so badly beating him with a wet belt, leaving

2591
02:30:10,120 --> 02:30:12,360
Speaker 15: welts all over his body, that he had to keep

2592
02:30:12,400 --> 02:30:16,280
Speaker 15: him out of school so he wouldn't be reported. He

2593
02:30:16,440 --> 02:30:21,480
Speaker 15: uses the N word regularly, he calls even though he

2594
02:30:21,640 --> 02:30:27,600
Speaker 15: is Latino himself, he uses racial epithets around about Latin

2595
02:30:27,800 --> 02:30:32,400
Speaker 15: X folks. He is a homophobe. So he's a disgusting

2596
02:30:32,560 --> 02:30:36,440
Speaker 15: human being and has been a danger. But it's even

2597
02:30:36,520 --> 02:30:40,240
Speaker 15: more of a danger when he's enabled by ice, and

2598
02:30:40,320 --> 02:30:43,039
Speaker 15: so LAPD. You know what we hear a lot in

2599
02:30:43,080 --> 02:30:46,200
Speaker 15: the media is, oh, well, local law enforcement is not

2600
02:30:46,320 --> 02:30:48,960
Speaker 15: that bad. No, We got to remember that local law

2601
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:54,800
Speaker 15: enforcement virtually every city, but especially in Los Angeles, has

2602
02:30:54,879 --> 02:30:58,200
Speaker 15: been the protectors of ice. So we absolutely want to

2603
02:30:58,240 --> 02:31:00,960
Speaker 15: abolish ice. But I think that we have to look

2604
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:03,720
Speaker 15: at how local law enforcement won. If we look at

2605
02:31:03,760 --> 02:31:06,640
Speaker 15: the numbers, more people are killed by local law enforcement

2606
02:31:06,680 --> 02:31:10,080
Speaker 15: than they are by ice anyway, but local law enforcement

2607
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:14,440
Speaker 15: is enabling ICE to engage in the ways that this

2608
02:31:14,600 --> 02:31:19,200
Speaker 15: mass outrage is coming from. That ICE is an absolute

2609
02:31:20,520 --> 02:31:24,720
Speaker 15: creating cities under siege, but local law enforcement is enabling

2610
02:31:24,720 --> 02:31:28,680
Speaker 15: and protecting them. So we're saying we're going to hold

2611
02:31:28,720 --> 02:31:31,960
Speaker 15: the police chief accountable. We're going to hold the mayor

2612
02:31:32,000 --> 02:31:35,760
Speaker 15: who appointed this police chief over the will of community.

2613
02:31:36,400 --> 02:31:40,480
Speaker 15: We're holding her accountable as well, and we're looking for

2614
02:31:40,600 --> 02:31:44,199
Speaker 15: other alternatives. So in California, we have a state attorney

2615
02:31:44,240 --> 02:31:49,240
Speaker 15: General who does have the power to investigate cases, and

2616
02:31:49,320 --> 02:31:52,720
Speaker 15: so we're asking for Rob Vonta, our state attorney General,

2617
02:31:52,800 --> 02:31:56,640
Speaker 15: to also get involved and prosecute this case. It's local

2618
02:31:56,720 --> 02:31:59,480
Speaker 15: law enforcement and the local district attorney won't.

2619
02:32:00,320 --> 02:32:03,080
Speaker 1: Thirteen half the top there with doctor Milliona Abdullah. She's

2620
02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:05,560
Speaker 1: the co founder of the Black Lives Matter grass suits.

2621
02:32:05,600 --> 02:32:08,760
Speaker 1: That's the legal one or the legit one, and she

2622
02:32:09,080 --> 02:32:12,360
Speaker 1: was also a former vice presidential candidate you called for

2623
02:32:12,400 --> 02:32:16,119
Speaker 1: the last elections, Doctor Abdulla, are you familiar with this

2624
02:32:16,520 --> 02:32:19,640
Speaker 1: nationwide shutdown that's being proposed for Friday. There's just no work,

2625
02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:22,200
Speaker 1: no school, and no shopping, and this is to protest

2626
02:32:22,280 --> 02:32:23,760
Speaker 1: what's going on and I SA, are you familiar with

2627
02:32:23,800 --> 02:32:25,600
Speaker 1: that rally that's going to take place.

2628
02:32:26,520 --> 02:32:29,520
Speaker 15: Yes, absolutely, in Black Lives Matter grass Roots in all

2629
02:32:29,560 --> 02:32:33,240
Speaker 15: of our fifty two chapters are participating. This shutdown was

2630
02:32:33,280 --> 02:32:36,960
Speaker 15: called for by black students, SOMLI students out of Minneapolis,

2631
02:32:37,240 --> 02:32:40,560
Speaker 15: who we have to remember that when they talk about immigration,

2632
02:32:40,959 --> 02:32:44,320
Speaker 15: and you know, black people need to focus on our issues.

2633
02:32:44,360 --> 02:32:47,840
Speaker 15: This is our issue. These are our babies who've called

2634
02:32:47,879 --> 02:32:50,840
Speaker 15: for this shutdown, and we intend to do what we do,

2635
02:32:50,920 --> 02:32:55,080
Speaker 15: which is fully support black students and participate in this

2636
02:32:55,160 --> 02:32:58,760
Speaker 15: shutdown and call on everybody else to participate in this shutdown.

2637
02:32:58,840 --> 02:33:03,680
Speaker 15: This is people's power, right. So you asked about you know,

2638
02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:08,520
Speaker 15: LAPD and all of these other entities, these institutions that

2639
02:33:08,600 --> 02:33:11,560
Speaker 15: are not protecting black people. So black people have to

2640
02:33:11,600 --> 02:33:14,480
Speaker 15: protect black people, and we're calling in our righteous allies

2641
02:33:14,840 --> 02:33:18,960
Speaker 15: to also help by shutting things down. Shut it down

2642
02:33:19,280 --> 02:33:23,120
Speaker 15: on Friday, no work, no school, no shopping, shut it

2643
02:33:23,160 --> 02:33:25,959
Speaker 15: down on Friday. When you start messing with people's money,

2644
02:33:26,720 --> 02:33:28,520
Speaker 15: they start to act a little bit different.

2645
02:33:29,480 --> 02:33:30,760
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this because you are some

2646
02:33:30,920 --> 02:33:34,560
Speaker 1: folks in our community, doctor Milina, who say it's not

2647
02:33:34,600 --> 02:33:37,440
Speaker 1: our fight, it's that fight. They didn't help us, so

2648
02:33:37,480 --> 02:33:39,360
Speaker 1: why should we go and try to help them. What

2649
02:33:39,400 --> 02:33:40,400
Speaker 1: do you say to those folks?

2650
02:33:41,720 --> 02:33:45,280
Speaker 15: Well, one, it is our fight, So you know, we

2651
02:33:45,360 --> 02:33:47,959
Speaker 15: put out a statement. Black Lives Matter. Grassroots put out

2652
02:33:47,959 --> 02:33:51,240
Speaker 15: a statement both in January when Trump took office and

2653
02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:56,000
Speaker 15: then again in June when Ice essentially invaded Los Angeles,

2654
02:33:56,000 --> 02:33:59,360
Speaker 15: which was the first city under ice siege. And we

2655
02:33:59,480 --> 02:34:02,760
Speaker 15: made four points. One. Black people are the moral compass

2656
02:34:02,760 --> 02:34:06,199
Speaker 15: of the world, and we have to do what's right regardless.

2657
02:34:06,240 --> 02:34:10,160
Speaker 15: And it's not right. It's not right to watch babies

2658
02:34:10,200 --> 02:34:13,520
Speaker 15: be wrestled from mother's arms. Right, It's not right to

2659
02:34:13,600 --> 02:34:18,199
Speaker 15: watch people be snatched up, to watch children, young workers,

2660
02:34:18,280 --> 02:34:21,840
Speaker 15: teenagers be dragged out of target, it's not right. And

2661
02:34:21,879 --> 02:34:25,120
Speaker 15: so we have to do what's right. But two, we

2662
02:34:25,280 --> 02:34:28,720
Speaker 15: also have to remember that when we talk about migrant communities,

2663
02:34:29,640 --> 02:34:33,120
Speaker 15: when we look at the list, the travel band list,

2664
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:38,320
Speaker 15: those are mostly continental African countries. Those are Caribbean countries

2665
02:34:38,760 --> 02:34:41,840
Speaker 15: that are being targeted. These are black people being targeted.

2666
02:34:42,360 --> 02:34:45,600
Speaker 15: When we talk about Haitians, right, Haitians are the most

2667
02:34:46,040 --> 02:34:50,720
Speaker 15: targeted group and Haitians are virtually all black. Right, when

2668
02:34:50,720 --> 02:34:56,320
Speaker 15: we talk about the recent attack on Somalians. Somali's Somalis

2669
02:34:56,400 --> 02:35:00,360
Speaker 15: are black people, right, And I dare you to agent

2670
02:35:00,480 --> 02:35:04,280
Speaker 15: can't tell the difference between a Somali in Minneapolis and

2671
02:35:04,360 --> 02:35:09,519
Speaker 15: a foundational what some people call foundational Black American in Minneapolis.

2672
02:35:09,600 --> 02:35:09,800
Speaker 5: Right.

2673
02:35:10,160 --> 02:35:14,080
Speaker 15: So black people are migrants too. Third, you know, we

2674
02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:17,200
Speaker 15: believe in a strategy of solidarity, and when oppressed people

2675
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:21,720
Speaker 15: join together, we have much much more power. And then finally,

2676
02:35:21,800 --> 02:35:26,240
Speaker 15: and what's proven true sadly in the murder of Keith

2677
02:35:26,280 --> 02:35:29,039
Speaker 15: Porter here in Los Angeles, is that there's never been

2678
02:35:29,080 --> 02:35:34,480
Speaker 15: a time when more police, and more militarized police especially

2679
02:35:35,400 --> 02:35:39,480
Speaker 15: is good for black people. And so this is a

2680
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:44,040
Speaker 15: black issue, that abolishing ice is a black issue, and

2681
02:35:44,080 --> 02:35:47,520
Speaker 15: so we can't sit it out because it's already upon us.

2682
02:35:47,600 --> 02:35:48,120
Speaker 6: There.

2683
02:35:48,360 --> 02:35:52,600
Speaker 15: We are the target and we have to do what's right.

2684
02:35:52,920 --> 02:35:56,840
Speaker 15: And so we were very vocal from the very beginning,

2685
02:35:57,040 --> 02:36:00,400
Speaker 15: and we stand on that that black people have to

2686
02:36:00,440 --> 02:36:03,959
Speaker 15: get involved and have to stay involved until we beat

2687
02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:05,280
Speaker 15: it back abolish ice.

2688
02:36:05,480 --> 02:36:07,400
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Hold up though, right there, we've got

2689
02:36:07,400 --> 02:36:09,879
Speaker 1: to step aside for a few moments. Mark Ranhein sents

2690
02:36:09,879 --> 02:36:11,760
Speaker 1: a question for you. Also, we've got some folks in

2691
02:36:11,760 --> 02:36:14,480
Speaker 1: Houston and Cleveland. I want to speak to you as well. Family,

2692
02:36:14,520 --> 02:36:17,520
Speaker 1: you two can join our conversation with doctor Melina Abdullah.

2693
02:36:17,640 --> 02:36:19,720
Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

2694
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:23,000
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

2695
02:36:23,040 --> 02:36:25,800
Speaker 1: calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with

2696
02:36:25,879 --> 02:36:28,400
Speaker 1: us on this Wednesday morning with our guest, doctor Malina Abdulla.

2697
02:36:28,520 --> 02:36:30,760
Speaker 1: She's the co founder of the Black Lives Matter of

2698
02:36:30,840 --> 02:36:34,600
Speaker 1: Grassroots and also a former vice presidential candidate, discussing the

2699
02:36:34,640 --> 02:36:37,600
Speaker 1: death of Keith Porter. Keith Porter is a young man

2700
02:36:37,640 --> 02:36:40,080
Speaker 1: that was killed by an ice agent. And it doesn't

2701
02:36:40,120 --> 02:36:43,520
Speaker 1: get the don't get the the inc that the other

2702
02:36:43,760 --> 02:36:47,080
Speaker 1: people that have got, especially what just happened recently in Minneapolis.

2703
02:36:47,120 --> 02:36:49,000
Speaker 1: Well this happened in LA. What are your thoughts? You

2704
02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:50,880
Speaker 1: want to join this discussion, reach out to us at

2705
02:36:50,920 --> 02:36:53,920
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

2706
02:36:54,120 --> 02:36:56,680
Speaker 1: Mark's in Houston. He's online one. He's got a question

2707
02:36:56,760 --> 02:36:59,240
Speaker 1: for you at doctor Malina grand Rising. Mark your question

2708
02:36:59,320 --> 02:37:00,160
Speaker 1: for doctor Maline.

2709
02:37:02,040 --> 02:37:04,680
Speaker 16: Grand Rising. Good morning, How you doing, y'all doing all

2710
02:37:04,760 --> 02:37:05,520
Speaker 16: right this morning?

2711
02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:10,879
Speaker 5: Good Grand Rising brothers, Yes, ma'am, you.

2712
02:37:10,879 --> 02:37:13,480
Speaker 16: Know what black lives matter movement. I know that was

2713
02:37:13,480 --> 02:37:15,959
Speaker 16: a controversy or whatever, but we got to remember this.

2714
02:37:16,080 --> 02:37:19,120
Speaker 16: We got to stick together because that's what this country

2715
02:37:19,120 --> 02:37:22,720
Speaker 16: want us to divide ourself. Because guess what, ma'am. We

2716
02:37:22,800 --> 02:37:26,160
Speaker 16: have two white people who were killed by ISIS. We

2717
02:37:26,280 --> 02:37:29,080
Speaker 16: got a police chief, we got the mail, and we

2718
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:32,600
Speaker 16: got a governor that's saying, oh, that was wrong. But

2719
02:37:32,720 --> 02:37:36,840
Speaker 16: we have thousands of black men who was all black men,

2720
02:37:36,879 --> 02:37:41,120
Speaker 16: who were shown by police offers, and we can't get anybody,

2721
02:37:41,800 --> 02:37:44,600
Speaker 16: no government, nobody comes yes the way they did for them.

2722
02:37:44,879 --> 02:37:47,039
Speaker 16: So we need to understand. We need to really stick

2723
02:37:47,080 --> 02:37:51,080
Speaker 16: together and say they name. Also, I understand them people

2724
02:37:51,120 --> 02:37:54,879
Speaker 16: lost their lives. I'm okay, I feel sorry, but there

2725
02:37:54,959 --> 02:37:57,440
Speaker 16: was a lot of our brothers and sisters that lost

2726
02:37:57,480 --> 02:37:59,920
Speaker 16: their lives and we can't even get a whole governor

2727
02:38:00,120 --> 02:38:01,760
Speaker 16: or a state to come fall to say the omit

2728
02:38:01,840 --> 02:38:04,840
Speaker 16: that these police aubums, we're done wrong. You get what

2729
02:38:04,879 --> 02:38:05,320
Speaker 16: I'm saying.

2730
02:38:05,480 --> 02:38:06,880
Speaker 5: So that's one thing about it, y'all.

2731
02:38:06,920 --> 02:38:09,400
Speaker 16: We need to really look at this and say those

2732
02:38:09,440 --> 02:38:12,440
Speaker 16: guy's name, man, please say they name, and black lives

2733
02:38:12,440 --> 02:38:14,520
Speaker 16: matters do matter. Black life do.

2734
02:38:14,760 --> 02:38:16,760
Speaker 5: Matter, no matter what they say.

2735
02:38:16,800 --> 02:38:18,760
Speaker 16: Thank you all right.

2736
02:38:19,480 --> 02:38:26,039
Speaker 15: Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that energy so much. One

2737
02:38:26,120 --> 02:38:28,120
Speaker 15: of the things that I've been saying is, you know,

2738
02:38:28,879 --> 02:38:33,480
Speaker 15: save Renee Good and Alex Pretty's name. Sure, but don't

2739
02:38:33,520 --> 02:38:35,800
Speaker 15: say their name, and don't say the name Keith Porter.

2740
02:38:36,040 --> 02:38:38,920
Speaker 15: So you should never say Renee Good and Alex Pretty

2741
02:38:38,959 --> 02:38:43,000
Speaker 15: without saying Renee without saying Keith Porter. So, Keith Porter

2742
02:38:43,120 --> 02:38:46,280
Speaker 15: is the name of the brother the first US citizen

2743
02:38:46,400 --> 02:38:49,520
Speaker 15: to be killed by ice. We have to know his story.

2744
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:53,400
Speaker 15: We have to say his name, Keith Porter. We're demanding

2745
02:38:53,640 --> 02:38:57,400
Speaker 15: justice in the name of Keith Porter. Renee Good has

2746
02:38:57,480 --> 02:39:01,120
Speaker 15: three children. Keith Porter has two children. One of them

2747
02:39:01,160 --> 02:39:04,800
Speaker 15: is actually in Texas. She's a college student at University

2748
02:39:04,800 --> 02:39:08,040
Speaker 15: of Texas and Aya. And you know, she's now living

2749
02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:10,320
Speaker 15: in this world without her dad, who was working two

2750
02:39:10,440 --> 02:39:12,920
Speaker 15: jobs to make sure that he could pay for his

2751
02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:16,240
Speaker 15: daughter to be in college. Right. He has a younger

2752
02:39:16,320 --> 02:39:20,480
Speaker 15: daughter who's ten, who just turns ten without her dad

2753
02:39:20,640 --> 02:39:23,640
Speaker 15: for the first time. How are we supporting these babies?

2754
02:39:24,120 --> 02:39:26,920
Speaker 15: You know, we got to think about how millions of

2755
02:39:26,959 --> 02:39:31,200
Speaker 15: dollars poured into the GoFundMe for Renee Good Keith Porter.

2756
02:39:31,720 --> 02:39:35,720
Speaker 15: You know, very very little money, barely enough to fund

2757
02:39:35,760 --> 02:39:39,320
Speaker 15: his funeral has poured in, so we should be donating

2758
02:39:39,440 --> 02:39:43,120
Speaker 15: to support these daughters. The GoFundMe that his mother set

2759
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:46,920
Speaker 15: up for him, sister Franciola set up for him, can

2760
02:39:46,959 --> 02:39:50,800
Speaker 15: be found at TinyURL dot com slash donate for Keith.

2761
02:39:51,160 --> 02:39:54,959
Speaker 15: TinyURL dot com slash donate for Keith. And you know,

2762
02:39:55,120 --> 02:39:57,080
Speaker 15: some of these folks who have a lot of money,

2763
02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:01,760
Speaker 15: I would love if some celebrity step this little girl.

2764
02:40:01,840 --> 02:40:04,840
Speaker 15: And Ayah did everything right, her dad did everything right.

2765
02:40:05,120 --> 02:40:08,080
Speaker 15: Somebody should step up and pay for her college. Somebody

2766
02:40:08,120 --> 02:40:11,040
Speaker 15: should step up now, one of these celebrities can pay

2767
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Speaker 15: for her college.

2768
02:40:11,959 --> 02:40:12,119
Speaker 1: Right.

2769
02:40:12,560 --> 02:40:16,000
Speaker 15: The second thing that the brother lifted up is, you know,

2770
02:40:16,040 --> 02:40:18,840
Speaker 15: we had thirty two people killed last year by ice,

2771
02:40:18,879 --> 02:40:23,680
Speaker 15: either in ice custody or as a direct result of ice.

2772
02:40:24,240 --> 02:40:29,240
Speaker 15: And there were over twelve hundred people killed by police.

2773
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:34,360
Speaker 15: So when we say abolish ice, absolutely abolish ice. But

2774
02:40:34,520 --> 02:40:39,119
Speaker 15: don't forget that the most violent forces on black people,

2775
02:40:39,280 --> 02:40:43,440
Speaker 15: especially are local law enforcement. So Black Lives Matter is

2776
02:40:43,480 --> 02:40:47,520
Speaker 15: about ending state sanctioned violence against black people. Right, don't

2777
02:40:47,560 --> 02:40:52,560
Speaker 15: stop saying, Jalen Randall, who was killed in Houston, You're

2778
02:40:52,600 --> 02:40:55,879
Speaker 15: in Houston, killed in Houston, never got justice, even though

2779
02:40:55,920 --> 02:40:59,160
Speaker 15: we know it was a racist Houston cop that murdered

2780
02:40:59,240 --> 02:41:02,800
Speaker 15: Jalen Randall's So what's really really important that we say

2781
02:41:02,879 --> 02:41:05,800
Speaker 15: black lives matter and do work to make black lives matter.

2782
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:10,520
Speaker 15: We actually have a Houston chapter. BLM grass Roots has

2783
02:41:10,520 --> 02:41:14,600
Speaker 15: a Houston chapter that's led by Jalen's family in Houston.

2784
02:41:15,720 --> 02:41:18,200
Speaker 1: Oh wow, great information. Twenty five after the top of down.

2785
02:41:18,280 --> 02:41:19,879
Speaker 1: Before you leave, I want you to give that information

2786
02:41:20,080 --> 02:41:24,280
Speaker 1: out again because where all we got? As I keep saying,

2787
02:41:24,400 --> 02:41:26,000
Speaker 1: so we have got to support our own so we

2788
02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:28,520
Speaker 1: can help Keith Porter's family. But let me ask you

2789
02:41:28,560 --> 02:41:30,560
Speaker 1: this before I take another call for you. Now that

2790
02:41:30,600 --> 02:41:32,240
Speaker 1: the two white persons been killed, do you think they're

2791
02:41:32,240 --> 02:41:34,160
Speaker 1: going to start shouting white lives matter?

2792
02:41:35,800 --> 02:41:40,039
Speaker 15: What's crazy is these two white folks have been killed,

2793
02:41:40,160 --> 02:41:43,920
Speaker 15: But who's rising up are the people who were involved

2794
02:41:43,959 --> 02:41:46,960
Speaker 15: in the Black Lives Matter movement. And I know you remember,

2795
02:41:46,959 --> 02:41:49,600
Speaker 15: brother Carl, because we've talked about it, and I've heard

2796
02:41:49,600 --> 02:41:54,520
Speaker 15: you talk about it before that when we began saying

2797
02:41:54,640 --> 02:41:58,080
Speaker 15: black lives matter, when we began organizing for Black Lives

2798
02:41:58,120 --> 02:42:02,160
Speaker 15: Matter thirteen years ago, there were people who were saying

2799
02:42:02,360 --> 02:42:05,600
Speaker 15: all lives matter. There were people who were saying white

2800
02:42:05,640 --> 02:42:08,320
Speaker 15: lives None of those folks are stepping up now that

2801
02:42:08,400 --> 02:42:11,440
Speaker 15: white people are getting killed. It's still the same people

2802
02:42:11,480 --> 02:42:14,920
Speaker 15: who said black lives matter, who are organizing for Renee

2803
02:42:14,920 --> 02:42:18,280
Speaker 15: Good and Alex Pretty the white lives Matter, the all

2804
02:42:18,400 --> 02:42:22,160
Speaker 15: lives matter folks, They're still not doing anything. So it

2805
02:42:22,280 --> 02:42:26,880
Speaker 15: was disingenuous in the first place. I think people who

2806
02:42:26,959 --> 02:42:30,280
Speaker 15: care about people are going to step up are the

2807
02:42:30,320 --> 02:42:32,960
Speaker 15: ones who are stepping up, and I want to encourage

2808
02:42:33,040 --> 02:42:36,120
Speaker 15: us to keep stepping up. I think that those killings

2809
02:42:37,000 --> 02:42:43,440
Speaker 15: remind us that the effort is about putting down righteous movement,

2810
02:42:44,120 --> 02:42:47,880
Speaker 15: and we have to refuse to put down righteous movements.

2811
02:42:47,959 --> 02:42:52,000
Speaker 15: So what they're saying is even white people who are

2812
02:42:52,080 --> 02:42:55,840
Speaker 15: engaged in righteous movement, right they took out John Brown

2813
02:42:55,920 --> 02:42:59,039
Speaker 15: and his sons, They're saying, even if you white, whiteness

2814
02:42:59,080 --> 02:43:01,760
Speaker 15: is not going to protect you. So the question is,

2815
02:43:02,120 --> 02:43:04,480
Speaker 15: white folks, are he's gonna lean on your whiteness? Are

2816
02:43:04,480 --> 02:43:07,280
Speaker 15: you gonna say now, we're gonna step up and we're

2817
02:43:07,320 --> 02:43:08,200
Speaker 15: gonna do what's right?

2818
02:43:08,440 --> 02:43:08,640
Speaker 9: You know?

2819
02:43:09,879 --> 02:43:12,120
Speaker 1: I shay, oh, that's all right there. As I mentioned,

2820
02:43:12,120 --> 02:43:14,040
Speaker 1: Mark from Mannheim has sent a question for you. But

2821
02:43:14,120 --> 02:43:16,080
Speaker 1: the truth tell us going from Cleveland. He says he

2822
02:43:16,120 --> 02:43:19,080
Speaker 1: has a quick question. He's online too, Grand Rising truth

2823
02:43:19,080 --> 02:43:20,519
Speaker 1: telling you. I'm with doctor Malina.

2824
02:43:20,280 --> 02:43:25,960
Speaker 9: Abdullah, Grand Rising question, Doctor Abdulah. I just want to say,

2825
02:43:26,680 --> 02:43:31,520
Speaker 9: assist Abdulah, Doctor Abdullah. I wish all black women was

2826
02:43:32,320 --> 02:43:32,560
Speaker 9: like you.

2827
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:33,440
Speaker 7: I do.

2828
02:43:34,160 --> 02:43:36,640
Speaker 9: I appreciate what you do. I want to say a

2829
02:43:36,760 --> 02:43:41,080
Speaker 9: name myself. Jazmir Tubber, fifteen year old young brother who

2830
02:43:41,160 --> 02:43:43,199
Speaker 9: was shot in him, who was shot in the back

2831
02:43:43,680 --> 02:43:46,400
Speaker 9: by Akron p D. And that was a black officer

2832
02:43:46,400 --> 02:43:50,279
Speaker 9: that done him. No charge is no nothing. He hadn't.

2833
02:43:50,400 --> 02:43:52,360
Speaker 9: Now they say he had a weapon, which he did,

2834
02:43:52,640 --> 02:43:54,480
Speaker 9: but you know what it was in his book back

2835
02:43:54,600 --> 02:43:56,200
Speaker 9: when they shot him in again, they shot him in

2836
02:43:56,240 --> 02:43:59,520
Speaker 9: the back. No charges. I got emotional body, you know

2837
02:44:01,480 --> 02:44:04,480
Speaker 9: sometimes you know, but I see how black folks get

2838
02:44:04,480 --> 02:44:09,720
Speaker 9: emotional about these white folks. But anyway, that being said, uh,

2839
02:44:10,040 --> 02:44:12,560
Speaker 9: there needs to be people that stick up for our

2840
02:44:12,680 --> 02:44:16,280
Speaker 9: gun and right and everything else as well. But it's hard.

2841
02:44:16,959 --> 02:44:20,959
Speaker 9: I just don't know why. Uh, the representation is not there.

2842
02:44:20,959 --> 02:44:22,959
Speaker 9: But here's the thing I want to ask you. I

2843
02:44:23,000 --> 02:44:26,400
Speaker 9: think this is a defining moment right now for the

2844
02:44:26,440 --> 02:44:31,200
Speaker 9: Black Democrats. Hispanic carcas. All these folks who claim that

2845
02:44:31,240 --> 02:44:34,760
Speaker 9: they partners with black folks. Ain't this the time to

2846
02:44:34,879 --> 02:44:39,080
Speaker 9: marry police reform right now with with defund ice or

2847
02:44:39,080 --> 02:44:41,560
Speaker 9: whatever they want to do? Don't if they if they're

2848
02:44:41,560 --> 02:44:44,080
Speaker 9: talking about this, they want to pass this funding bill

2849
02:44:44,680 --> 02:44:48,240
Speaker 9: strong arm tactics right now. It ain't just about ICE,

2850
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:52,120
Speaker 9: police reform as well, and we have passed a funding bill.

2851
02:44:52,480 --> 02:44:55,840
Speaker 9: This is my thoughts. Go ahead and play hardball because

2852
02:44:55,879 --> 02:44:58,360
Speaker 9: it has to be done at some point. Because if

2853
02:44:58,360 --> 02:45:01,800
Speaker 9: you're gonna uh a polish eyes are not fun. Ice

2854
02:45:01,840 --> 02:45:04,360
Speaker 9: and all this stuff, as you say, we still can

2855
02:45:04,840 --> 02:45:07,440
Speaker 9: get getting taken out on the streets by our local police.

2856
02:45:07,480 --> 02:45:10,320
Speaker 9: They more dangerous to us than ICE. So what do

2857
02:45:10,400 --> 02:45:13,920
Speaker 9: you think about that? Shouldn't they be playing the long

2858
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:17,000
Speaker 9: game and a hard game with these folks. Let's marry

2859
02:45:17,040 --> 02:45:18,960
Speaker 9: the two. What do you think?

2860
02:45:20,400 --> 02:45:23,920
Speaker 15: Absolutely, and they are married and they're trying to pretend

2861
02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:28,000
Speaker 15: like they're not right that violence that's enacted on communities

2862
02:45:28,040 --> 02:45:32,680
Speaker 15: by ICE is supported by local law enforcement. And brother

2863
02:45:32,760 --> 02:45:35,520
Speaker 15: I want to follow up around Jazz is his name,

2864
02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:38,840
Speaker 15: Jasmine Tucker and Akron I would love to hear more.

2865
02:45:40,120 --> 02:45:43,119
Speaker 15: I would love to hear more so please reach out

2866
02:45:43,160 --> 02:45:45,080
Speaker 15: to me. I would love to hear more because we've

2867
02:45:45,120 --> 02:45:50,120
Speaker 15: been getting involved with jay. We were involved with Jaylen Walkers,

2868
02:45:50,400 --> 02:45:53,720
Speaker 15: you know that also happened in the same area. So

2869
02:45:53,760 --> 02:45:55,600
Speaker 15: I would love to hear more and figure out how

2870
02:45:55,640 --> 02:45:58,560
Speaker 15: we can support because, as you're saying, it's a local

2871
02:45:58,640 --> 02:46:02,400
Speaker 15: law enforcement that takes out black people and much much

2872
02:46:02,440 --> 02:46:06,280
Speaker 15: greater numbers than ICE, and so we have to be

2873
02:46:06,440 --> 02:46:09,240
Speaker 15: willing to step up and say, you know what actually

2874
02:46:09,240 --> 02:46:13,320
Speaker 15: creates safe communities is when we pour resources into our communities.

2875
02:46:13,640 --> 02:46:17,440
Speaker 15: We see all time lows in terms of street crime

2876
02:46:17,640 --> 02:46:21,640
Speaker 15: right like LA our crime rate is down to nineteen

2877
02:46:21,760 --> 02:46:26,520
Speaker 15: fifty nine levels. You know why. It's investment in things

2878
02:46:26,720 --> 02:46:32,959
Speaker 15: like intervention work. Our intervention workers are getting the job done.

2879
02:46:33,000 --> 02:46:36,880
Speaker 15: But police, the number of police killings is up by

2880
02:46:37,120 --> 02:46:41,200
Speaker 15: seventy percent. So you're right, we have to say the

2881
02:46:41,240 --> 02:46:44,040
Speaker 15: whole thing, the whole thing is bound up with each other,

2882
02:46:44,120 --> 02:46:46,959
Speaker 15: and we have to push this moment to say that

2883
02:46:47,080 --> 02:46:51,040
Speaker 15: let's invest in resources, not more police and not ice

2884
02:46:51,080 --> 02:46:52,480
Speaker 15: plaguing our communities either.

2885
02:46:53,640 --> 02:46:56,360
Speaker 9: And one real quick thing, do you think or is

2886
02:46:56,400 --> 02:47:00,520
Speaker 9: it any push to get the congressional Black Call to

2887
02:47:00,879 --> 02:47:03,480
Speaker 9: get on board with this, to say hey, let's do this.

2888
02:47:03,640 --> 02:47:06,760
Speaker 9: Let's go for a police reform right now. This is

2889
02:47:06,760 --> 02:47:09,040
Speaker 9: a moment where we could do it. You got you

2890
02:47:09,160 --> 02:47:11,400
Speaker 9: got if you got the support for for ice and

2891
02:47:11,440 --> 02:47:13,840
Speaker 9: all that they got to marry and I don't hear

2892
02:47:13,879 --> 02:47:17,400
Speaker 9: them talking about it. Also with the brother, that reporter

2893
02:47:17,480 --> 02:47:20,720
Speaker 9: that was that was murdered out in California. You see

2894
02:47:20,760 --> 02:47:23,199
Speaker 9: a lot of these shows, you know, I watched seeing

2895
02:47:23,240 --> 02:47:25,640
Speaker 9: an Abbey Phillips just because I try to support the sense.

2896
02:47:25,640 --> 02:47:28,120
Speaker 9: They don't like everything she say or her guests. Have

2897
02:47:28,160 --> 02:47:30,800
Speaker 9: you have y'all have it? Have we tried to get,

2898
02:47:31,120 --> 02:47:33,360
Speaker 9: you know, to some of these national TV shows to

2899
02:47:33,680 --> 02:47:36,320
Speaker 9: get everything out because we do need to support that brother.

2900
02:47:36,560 --> 02:47:38,920
Speaker 9: Let's let's support that that them kids that was in

2901
02:47:38,959 --> 02:47:43,160
Speaker 9: college man, because again it's so frustrating dr abdulah. And

2902
02:47:43,200 --> 02:47:45,480
Speaker 9: again when I got emotional about that young brother, man,

2903
02:47:45,520 --> 02:47:48,039
Speaker 9: it just it tore me up in the inside. I'm like, damn,

2904
02:47:48,200 --> 02:47:50,760
Speaker 9: don't y'all realize they shot that brother in the back.

2905
02:47:50,840 --> 02:47:53,880
Speaker 9: He was a kid man and the weapon was in bag.

2906
02:47:54,000 --> 02:47:57,360
Speaker 9: He wasn't an imminent threat to y'all. But but it

2907
02:47:57,400 --> 02:47:59,120
Speaker 9: was it was cool. It was just it was just

2908
02:47:59,120 --> 02:48:01,720
Speaker 9: like it was okay, But anyway, I took up enough time.

2909
02:48:01,760 --> 02:48:03,560
Speaker 9: Thank you very much. I appreciate you when you give

2910
02:48:03,560 --> 02:48:05,400
Speaker 9: out your information. I definitely reach out to you.

2911
02:48:05,480 --> 02:48:09,000
Speaker 15: Thank you so much, thank you, thank you, And I

2912
02:48:09,040 --> 02:48:12,600
Speaker 15: think you're deserving of your name truth teller. So you're

2913
02:48:12,600 --> 02:48:16,080
Speaker 15: going to inspire me to say something about the Congressional

2914
02:48:16,080 --> 02:48:20,960
Speaker 15: Black Caucus and these black elected leaders, the black political

2915
02:48:21,000 --> 02:48:24,560
Speaker 15: class that's remained silent, that has not spoken up for

2916
02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:28,000
Speaker 15: Keith Porter, that has not been doing police reform. There's

2917
02:48:28,200 --> 02:48:33,000
Speaker 15: very very few courageous elected you know. We have our

2918
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:37,360
Speaker 15: Corey Bush's who was removed. We have our Ayana Presley,

2919
02:48:37,400 --> 02:48:41,320
Speaker 15: who's phenomenal, but most of them are going along with

2920
02:48:41,400 --> 02:48:45,800
Speaker 15: the Democratic Party establishment, and we have to create political consequences.

2921
02:48:45,840 --> 02:48:49,560
Speaker 15: We got to stop electing people to office just because

2922
02:48:50,000 --> 02:48:54,080
Speaker 15: they're black, or stop electing people to office because you know,

2923
02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:56,920
Speaker 15: we have access to them. We have to say, if

2924
02:48:56,959 --> 02:49:00,600
Speaker 15: you don't represent our issues, we actually I don't need

2925
02:49:00,680 --> 02:49:02,280
Speaker 15: you in that seat. And I got in a lot

2926
02:49:02,320 --> 02:49:04,440
Speaker 15: of trouble, brother Carl. I don't know if you saw

2927
02:49:04,480 --> 02:49:06,400
Speaker 15: the column I wrote about the mayor of the city,

2928
02:49:06,560 --> 02:49:11,040
Speaker 15: Karen Bass, who's betrayed community and betrayed the progressive values

2929
02:49:11,440 --> 02:49:15,400
Speaker 15: that got her elected in the first place. And if

2930
02:49:15,480 --> 02:49:17,360
Speaker 15: you're not going to move forward in a way that

2931
02:49:17,400 --> 02:49:19,800
Speaker 15: benefits all of community, then we don't need you there,

2932
02:49:20,360 --> 02:49:20,680
Speaker 15: all right.

2933
02:49:20,760 --> 02:49:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad you that because that's the question mark from

2934
02:49:22,600 --> 02:49:25,680
Speaker 1: Anaheim sent He says, first, he says hello, says he says.

2935
02:49:25,720 --> 02:49:28,520
Speaker 1: You were a major supporter of Karen Bass during her

2936
02:49:28,600 --> 02:49:31,360
Speaker 1: campaign for Los Angeles mayor, but now that she is

2937
02:49:31,480 --> 02:49:34,400
Speaker 1: running for reelection, will you once again be a major.

2938
02:49:34,160 --> 02:49:38,280
Speaker 15: Supporter the one I was not a major supporter. I'm

2939
02:49:38,320 --> 02:49:42,360
Speaker 15: a longtime friend of hers, so I've known Karen Bass

2940
02:49:42,400 --> 02:49:46,000
Speaker 15: for more than thirty years. So I came up and

2941
02:49:46,120 --> 02:49:50,240
Speaker 15: was actually kind of mentored by Karen Bass. I saw

2942
02:49:50,280 --> 02:49:53,240
Speaker 15: her as a role model. She's about twenty years ahead

2943
02:49:53,240 --> 02:49:55,480
Speaker 15: of me and was doing really important work out of

2944
02:49:55,520 --> 02:49:59,080
Speaker 15: community coalition. I loved that work that was about bringing

2945
02:49:59,160 --> 02:50:02,879
Speaker 15: resources into community, not more police into community, and so

2946
02:50:03,080 --> 02:50:06,560
Speaker 15: I honor that work. I did support her when she

2947
02:50:06,640 --> 02:50:09,920
Speaker 15: was in the state legislature, and then began to see

2948
02:50:09,959 --> 02:50:12,600
Speaker 15: some things that bothered me when she was in Congress

2949
02:50:13,440 --> 02:50:16,360
Speaker 15: and just started seeming to be sucked up by the

2950
02:50:16,440 --> 02:50:21,160
Speaker 15: Democratic Party machine that wasn't doing what's right by black community.

2951
02:50:21,440 --> 02:50:24,080
Speaker 15: So I did not support her the first time, even

2952
02:50:24,120 --> 02:50:28,520
Speaker 15: though we had several sit downs and talks and tried

2953
02:50:28,560 --> 02:50:33,640
Speaker 15: to pull her in to conversation. So I maintained a

2954
02:50:33,720 --> 02:50:37,000
Speaker 15: relationship with her, but I didn't support her campaign. I've

2955
02:50:37,040 --> 02:50:41,200
Speaker 15: been vocal now about why I cannot support Karen Vass.

2956
02:50:41,200 --> 02:50:46,280
Speaker 15: She appointed a police chief that is the worst that

2957
02:50:46,320 --> 02:50:50,000
Speaker 15: we've had that we've seen again, a seventy percent surge

2958
02:50:50,160 --> 02:50:53,800
Speaker 15: in police shootings by LAPD under the police chief that

2959
02:50:53,920 --> 02:50:56,640
Speaker 15: she appointed, over the will of the people, over the

2960
02:50:56,680 --> 02:51:01,400
Speaker 15: will of VLM, right over the way in which we organize.

2961
02:51:01,440 --> 02:51:07,240
Speaker 15: She also has increased funding to LAPD, which is bankrupting

2962
02:51:07,360 --> 02:51:11,160
Speaker 15: this city. She gave police a raise while she's laying

2963
02:51:11,240 --> 02:51:14,959
Speaker 15: everybody else off. She's hiring more police while the rest

2964
02:51:15,000 --> 02:51:19,080
Speaker 15: of city workers, many of whom are black, are being furloughed.

2965
02:51:19,240 --> 02:51:22,200
Speaker 15: And so, no, I do not support Karen Bass, but

2966
02:51:22,280 --> 02:51:26,400
Speaker 15: I hope that she will rediscover the progressive values that

2967
02:51:26,440 --> 02:51:30,520
Speaker 15: she once advanced before she was seeking office and seeking

2968
02:51:30,560 --> 02:51:34,200
Speaker 15: election and reelection. We don't need anybody who's there just

2969
02:51:34,240 --> 02:51:36,879
Speaker 15: for their own political ambitions. We need people who are

2970
02:51:36,879 --> 02:51:40,280
Speaker 15: there for the benefit of community. So no, that's a

2971
02:51:40,320 --> 02:51:42,400
Speaker 15: long way of saying no. And I wrote a column

2972
02:51:42,400 --> 02:51:45,840
Speaker 15: called I Used to Love Her, which is published in

2973
02:51:45,879 --> 02:51:48,199
Speaker 15: the LA Progressive where you could read more.

2974
02:51:49,000 --> 02:51:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Karen Bass was a community activist before she

2975
02:51:51,560 --> 02:51:55,039
Speaker 1: got into politics. She was about all the liquor stores

2976
02:51:55,040 --> 02:51:58,959
Speaker 1: in south central LA before she went to started her

2977
02:51:59,040 --> 02:52:01,520
Speaker 1: I guess she elected a face career. So thank you

2978
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Speaker 1: for remembering that for us. Listen, doctor milliona Apdie. We

2979
02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:07,039
Speaker 1: got to step aside for a moment. It's twenty four

2980
02:52:07,040 --> 02:52:09,240
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top there, and Eric in Forceville

2981
02:52:09,280 --> 02:52:11,400
Speaker 1: has a question for you. When we get back, family,

2982
02:52:11,440 --> 02:52:14,000
Speaker 1: you two can join this conversation with doctor Malina Abdullah.

2983
02:52:14,000 --> 02:52:15,800
Speaker 1: You can reach us at eight hundred four or five

2984
02:52:15,920 --> 02:52:18,560
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight to seventy six and we'll take all

2985
02:52:18,640 --> 02:52:21,280
Speaker 1: your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising family, thanks for

2986
02:52:21,320 --> 02:52:23,360
Speaker 1: sticking with us on this Wednesday morning. So hum day.

2987
02:52:23,400 --> 02:52:25,760
Speaker 1: We're halfway through the work week for something. It's just

2988
02:52:25,760 --> 02:52:28,199
Speaker 1: the first day of work because of the weather we've had.

2989
02:52:28,520 --> 02:52:31,560
Speaker 1: So we're speaking with doctor Millina Abdulla, doctor Melina, who

2990
02:52:31,879 --> 02:52:34,800
Speaker 1: was the co founder of the Black Lives Matter Grass Soups.

2991
02:52:34,800 --> 02:52:37,360
Speaker 1: She was also a former vice presidential candidates. You remember

2992
02:52:37,400 --> 02:52:40,600
Speaker 1: that she ran with Cornell West on the ticket the

2993
02:52:40,720 --> 02:52:43,800
Speaker 1: last presidential election. She's up with us this morning, and

2994
02:52:43,959 --> 02:52:46,320
Speaker 1: Eric in Forceville has a question for her. But before

2995
02:52:46,360 --> 02:52:47,720
Speaker 1: we go to Eric, let me just remind you. Coming

2996
02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:50,400
Speaker 1: up tomorrow we're going to speak an industrial psychologist, doctor

2997
02:52:50,480 --> 02:52:53,119
Speaker 1: Edwin Nichols. He'll be here, so if you are in Baltimore,

2998
02:52:53,200 --> 02:52:54,640
Speaker 1: make sure you keep your ready to locked in tied

2999
02:52:54,680 --> 02:52:57,480
Speaker 1: all day long. On ten ten WLB, we're in the

3000
02:52:57,600 --> 02:53:00,920
Speaker 1: DMV the Washington at Washington, DC. You men above their

3001
02:53:01,120 --> 02:53:04,480
Speaker 1: On fourteen fifteen w L, Eric Grand Rising your question

3002
02:53:04,600 --> 02:53:06,279
Speaker 1: for doctor Malina Abdullah.

3003
02:53:07,120 --> 02:53:10,720
Speaker 14: Grand Rising to you, mister Nelson, your guests, I had

3004
02:53:10,760 --> 02:53:13,920
Speaker 14: more of a comment than a question, but I have

3005
02:53:14,040 --> 02:53:17,840
Speaker 14: a question probably at the end. Are you advocating for

3006
02:53:17,959 --> 02:53:24,360
Speaker 14: black people to go out here and support other people

3007
02:53:24,520 --> 02:53:31,960
Speaker 14: who have been victim of ice tragedy, including.

3008
02:53:32,920 --> 02:53:33,520
Speaker 12: Keith Porter?

3009
02:53:33,640 --> 02:53:39,920
Speaker 14: And I brought that up last week with doctor Shabbaz

3010
02:53:40,440 --> 02:53:43,880
Speaker 14: than the lawyer about you know the intricate parts you

3011
02:53:43,959 --> 02:53:50,920
Speaker 14: know of what he did to participitate his death. You

3012
02:53:51,000 --> 02:53:54,040
Speaker 14: know a lot of us North these holidays shoot up

3013
02:53:54,040 --> 02:53:56,400
Speaker 14: in the air all the time. This happens all the

3014
02:53:56,480 --> 02:53:58,000
Speaker 14: time and never get caught.

3015
02:53:58,840 --> 02:53:58,960
Speaker 9: Uh.

3016
02:53:59,320 --> 02:54:03,960
Speaker 14: But unfortunately mister porter uh did that and lost his

3017
02:54:04,080 --> 02:54:11,400
Speaker 14: life behind a race soldier uh uh killing him Somalians.

3018
02:54:12,400 --> 02:54:12,520
Speaker 16: Uh.

3019
02:54:12,560 --> 02:54:15,280
Speaker 14: You know, Uh many of them said they weren't black

3020
02:54:15,840 --> 02:54:19,880
Speaker 14: before the election. Uh many of them said that they

3021
02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:23,240
Speaker 14: voted for Trump. And look what he called them all

3022
02:54:23,400 --> 02:54:25,640
Speaker 14: kinds of names and told him to go back to Somalians.

3023
02:54:26,360 --> 02:54:29,640
Speaker 14: So you know, I'm not about advocating. If you're about

3024
02:54:29,720 --> 02:54:32,840
Speaker 14: advocating for black people to go out here and to

3025
02:54:33,200 --> 02:54:36,720
Speaker 14: uh uh deal with these ice people, then then you

3026
02:54:36,800 --> 02:54:37,680
Speaker 14: must be advocating.

3027
02:54:37,840 --> 02:54:39,480
Speaker 12: In my opinion, are.

3028
02:54:39,400 --> 02:54:42,680
Speaker 14: You ready prepared to die because uh, these these race

3029
02:54:42,760 --> 02:54:47,440
Speaker 14: soldiers or or or or or slave catchers. Uh, that's

3030
02:54:47,520 --> 02:54:49,840
Speaker 14: what their mission is. They don't care anything about your

3031
02:54:50,200 --> 02:54:53,200
Speaker 14: about you or your life. They've shown it with their

3032
02:54:53,280 --> 02:54:56,240
Speaker 14: own type. Shoot a woman in the head, they should

3033
02:54:56,240 --> 02:54:59,120
Speaker 14: have two guys, shoot two a massed up person to

3034
02:54:59,200 --> 02:55:01,760
Speaker 14: shoot a per in the head. I mean at all

3035
02:55:02,400 --> 02:55:07,600
Speaker 14: ten times. And my point is also is that these

3036
02:55:07,720 --> 02:55:11,640
Speaker 14: people with the mask. I think that, if anything, we

3037
02:55:11,680 --> 02:55:16,200
Speaker 14: should be developing tactics to defend ourselves if we get

3038
02:55:16,280 --> 02:55:20,000
Speaker 14: stopped by somebody in a mask on a traffic stop

3039
02:55:20,440 --> 02:55:24,160
Speaker 14: and with no problem cause whatsoever. What we should do

3040
02:55:24,280 --> 02:55:27,480
Speaker 14: about it? Call for the police, the real police, and

3041
02:55:28,640 --> 02:55:32,080
Speaker 14: have them on the scene. But I think it's crazy

3042
02:55:32,160 --> 02:55:35,800
Speaker 14: for us to get involved in something that's not our fight.

3043
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:39,600
Speaker 14: That's my comment and my question to ask you, are

3044
02:55:39,680 --> 02:55:41,760
Speaker 14: you willing to get out here in the street and

3045
02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:44,440
Speaker 14: die for something that's not our fight?

3046
02:55:47,080 --> 02:55:49,240
Speaker 15: So I'm going to say it is our fight, And

3047
02:55:49,680 --> 02:55:51,720
Speaker 15: I think at a certain point we have to say,

3048
02:55:51,840 --> 02:55:54,840
Speaker 15: I don't care what they say he did. I don't

3049
02:55:54,879 --> 02:55:56,160
Speaker 15: care what they say they did.

3050
02:55:56,720 --> 02:55:57,920
Speaker 16: It does not.

3051
02:55:58,280 --> 02:56:01,840
Speaker 15: Justify the theft of their life. So do I agree

3052
02:56:01,920 --> 02:56:04,280
Speaker 15: with going and shooting in the air for New Year's Eve? No,

3053
02:56:04,400 --> 02:56:08,000
Speaker 15: I've never done it. But Keith Porter should have been

3054
02:56:08,120 --> 02:56:12,360
Speaker 15: sighted for shooting in the air. That's what that That's

3055
02:56:12,440 --> 02:56:18,240
Speaker 15: what that so called crime brings, is a citation. He

3056
02:56:18,480 --> 02:56:22,520
Speaker 15: did not deserve to have his life stolen because he

3057
02:56:22,760 --> 02:56:28,000
Speaker 15: violated some ordinance. That is not okay. To the idea

3058
02:56:28,200 --> 02:56:31,000
Speaker 15: that we're getting involved in someone else's fight so we

3059
02:56:31,040 --> 02:56:35,440
Speaker 15: should just stay home is not valid to me. I'm

3060
02:56:35,480 --> 02:56:38,640
Speaker 15: a black mother of black children with a black fifteen

3061
02:56:38,720 --> 02:56:41,880
Speaker 15: year old boy who walks home from the bus stop

3062
02:56:41,959 --> 02:56:45,800
Speaker 15: every day, and the guns are trained on my son's back.

3063
02:56:45,879 --> 02:56:48,560
Speaker 15: The guns are trained on my daughter's backs.

3064
02:56:48,360 --> 02:56:49,000
Speaker 5: On my back.

3065
02:56:49,600 --> 02:56:52,360
Speaker 15: And so if we just say, well, let's just go

3066
02:56:52,600 --> 02:56:56,720
Speaker 15: home and cower in a corner and eat popcorn, what

3067
02:56:56,959 --> 02:56:59,960
Speaker 15: you wind up with is getting killed in your own home.

3068
02:57:00,160 --> 02:57:02,680
Speaker 15: I want you to think about Karin Gaines, who was

3069
02:57:02,800 --> 02:57:05,240
Speaker 15: killed in her own home. I want you to think

3070
02:57:05,280 --> 02:57:08,039
Speaker 15: about Meghan Hakkadai, who was killed in her own home.

3071
02:57:08,400 --> 02:57:11,400
Speaker 15: I want you to think about, you know, all of

3072
02:57:11,480 --> 02:57:15,280
Speaker 15: these sisters who've been killed in their own homes as

3073
02:57:15,560 --> 02:57:22,000
Speaker 15: a result of allowing policing, including ice to gobble up

3074
02:57:22,080 --> 02:57:24,480
Speaker 15: all the money and be able to run rampant. These

3075
02:57:24,680 --> 02:57:29,800
Speaker 15: are the descendants of slave catchers. So war is already

3076
02:57:29,920 --> 02:57:34,520
Speaker 15: declared on black people. So there's nothing more dangerous than

3077
02:57:34,640 --> 02:57:38,160
Speaker 15: pretending as if we can find peace in the midst

3078
02:57:38,240 --> 02:57:40,840
Speaker 15: of a space where war has been declared on us.

3079
02:57:41,800 --> 02:57:44,959
Speaker 1: All right, fourteen away from the TOPA Janney has joined us.

3080
02:57:45,000 --> 02:57:47,760
Speaker 1: And from La she says, you invited to call in,

3081
02:57:47,879 --> 02:57:48,560
Speaker 1: doctor Abdullah.

3082
02:57:49,520 --> 02:57:50,119
Speaker 4: I did.

3083
02:57:50,440 --> 02:57:53,320
Speaker 15: Miss Tyler is the cousin of Keith Porter, and she's

3084
02:57:53,440 --> 02:57:58,400
Speaker 15: my dear friend. She's my middle daughter's favorite person, even

3085
02:57:58,480 --> 02:58:03,040
Speaker 15: above her mama. And she's she she was texting me

3086
02:58:03,120 --> 02:58:05,160
Speaker 15: and I was like, we're talking about Keith right now,

3087
02:58:05,879 --> 02:58:17,720
Speaker 15: So hey, miss Tyler, Hey guys, Grail Rising, because I did.

3088
02:58:18,240 --> 02:58:21,640
Speaker 17: Hear some of that, and I just really want to

3089
02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:25,600
Speaker 17: set the record clear. Yes, you know, some people do

3090
02:58:25,720 --> 02:58:29,120
Speaker 17: feel the type of way, and like she laid it out,

3091
02:58:29,680 --> 02:58:33,279
Speaker 17: you know, violating a city ordinance is not a death sentence.

3092
02:58:33,959 --> 02:58:37,600
Speaker 17: But let's get one thing really really clear. When that

3093
02:58:37,760 --> 02:58:42,560
Speaker 17: man came outside and murdered my cousin, Keith wasn't in

3094
02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:45,080
Speaker 17: the act of shooting in the air anymore. He was

3095
02:58:45,160 --> 02:58:49,400
Speaker 17: already on his way back into his home. He went

3096
02:58:49,480 --> 02:58:54,840
Speaker 17: through that apartment complex hunting him down, found him, and

3097
02:58:54,920 --> 02:58:59,120
Speaker 17: then turned around called an open fire. So I want

3098
02:58:59,160 --> 02:59:02,199
Speaker 17: everybody to be clear about that. There may not be video,

3099
02:59:03,000 --> 02:59:05,600
Speaker 17: but we do have people who are just fearful for

3100
02:59:05,760 --> 02:59:09,240
Speaker 17: their own lives, for their own safety because we're talking

3101
02:59:09,280 --> 02:59:12,800
Speaker 17: about ice, because we're talking about a fascist Trump regime.

3102
02:59:13,560 --> 02:59:16,040
Speaker 17: But we actually do know what happened that night. And

3103
02:59:16,160 --> 02:59:20,640
Speaker 17: even based on the officer's first story, he said himself,

3104
02:59:21,240 --> 02:59:23,880
Speaker 17: we're not talking about the third story that was concocted

3105
02:59:23,959 --> 02:59:29,280
Speaker 17: by DHS. His first and second stories where that he

3106
02:59:29,480 --> 02:59:32,360
Speaker 17: heard the shots he ran out of his apartment to

3107
02:59:32,520 --> 02:59:36,160
Speaker 17: find out who had let off the shots. He engaged

3108
02:59:36,240 --> 02:59:39,600
Speaker 17: my cousin and then he shot him to disarm him.

3109
02:59:40,040 --> 02:59:43,560
Speaker 17: His first story was never that Ke's pointed the gun

3110
02:59:43,600 --> 02:59:46,960
Speaker 17: at him, or wouldn't drop the rifle or any of that.

3111
02:59:48,240 --> 02:59:51,760
Speaker 17: That is not an imminent threat. I have law enforcement

3112
02:59:51,840 --> 02:59:54,840
Speaker 17: in my family. I have law enforcement that I've been

3113
02:59:54,920 --> 02:59:58,560
Speaker 17: with for years, and they're part of a broken system,

3114
02:59:58,640 --> 03:00:00,200
Speaker 17: but they are the ones who caused them. So I

3115
03:00:00,320 --> 03:00:03,560
Speaker 17: was trying to make a difference from inside. But I

3116
03:00:03,800 --> 03:00:07,560
Speaker 17: know police procedure and unless there is an eminent threat

3117
03:00:07,640 --> 03:00:10,000
Speaker 17: to your life, which is why DHS came up with

3118
03:00:10,120 --> 03:00:12,720
Speaker 17: that concocted story. I'm also a union rep, so I

3119
03:00:12,840 --> 03:00:15,520
Speaker 17: know what it sounds like after you've talked to your representation.

3120
03:00:18,200 --> 03:00:21,560
Speaker 17: The man's first story was the truth and if and

3121
03:00:21,800 --> 03:00:24,640
Speaker 17: protocol is if there is not an eminent threat to

3122
03:00:24,720 --> 03:00:28,080
Speaker 17: your life or to someone else's life, you had time

3123
03:00:28,160 --> 03:00:30,480
Speaker 17: to go all the way back into your apartment, put

3124
03:00:30,560 --> 03:00:33,800
Speaker 17: on your tactical gear, grab your service pistol, and then

3125
03:00:33,920 --> 03:00:36,360
Speaker 17: go all the way back through the apartment complex and

3126
03:00:36,520 --> 03:00:38,879
Speaker 17: found him on his way back into his home because

3127
03:00:38,920 --> 03:00:41,920
Speaker 17: he wasn't even standing in the same place anymore. That

3128
03:00:42,120 --> 03:00:44,880
Speaker 17: means you were supposed to have stayed in your apartment

3129
03:00:45,200 --> 03:00:48,119
Speaker 17: and called nine to one one then and let them

3130
03:00:48,200 --> 03:00:51,160
Speaker 17: come to the scene and handle whatever would have happened.

3131
03:00:51,200 --> 03:00:53,240
Speaker 17: I would have much rather than my cousin left in

3132
03:00:53,360 --> 03:00:57,000
Speaker 17: handcuffs with a gun charge, as opposed to be buried

3133
03:00:57,240 --> 03:00:59,960
Speaker 17: this past Friday and no longer here on this earth

3134
03:01:00,160 --> 03:01:00,480
Speaker 17: with us.

3135
03:01:01,440 --> 03:01:02,720
Speaker 1: Let me tell in and ask you, this is ten

3136
03:01:02,760 --> 03:01:04,560
Speaker 1: away from the top of it kind of sounds like

3137
03:01:04,640 --> 03:01:08,240
Speaker 1: what I am to Trayvon. How's the family doing? Just

3138
03:01:08,280 --> 03:01:10,680
Speaker 1: because we didn't know those details that you just shared

3139
03:01:10,720 --> 03:01:13,760
Speaker 1: with us, many of us, so I'm glad that you did.

3140
03:01:13,840 --> 03:01:14,360
Speaker 1: I think.

3141
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Speaker 17: Devastated. This has devastated our families. And I say families

3142
03:01:22,640 --> 03:01:26,800
Speaker 17: because we are co mingled families that have been in

3143
03:01:26,879 --> 03:01:30,800
Speaker 17: our neighborhood since White Flight, since between nineteen fifty one

3144
03:01:30,840 --> 03:01:31,680
Speaker 17: and fifty six.

3145
03:01:32,440 --> 03:01:33,240
Speaker 4: On our side.

3146
03:01:33,400 --> 03:01:38,359
Speaker 17: On the Turner side, we've experienced losses, you know, unfortunately,

3147
03:01:39,200 --> 03:01:43,080
Speaker 17: But for the Armstrongs, this is the first death that

3148
03:01:43,200 --> 03:01:47,200
Speaker 17: they've experienced since nineteen ninety two. And for it to

3149
03:01:47,360 --> 03:01:50,240
Speaker 17: not be an elder, for it to have been Keith

3150
03:01:51,800 --> 03:01:55,200
Speaker 17: at forty three years old with two daughters to raise.

3151
03:01:55,520 --> 03:01:59,160
Speaker 17: I keep telling people I'm the little girl that lost

3152
03:01:59,240 --> 03:02:01,800
Speaker 17: my daddy Tuly, and so I know that they will

3153
03:02:01,920 --> 03:02:06,320
Speaker 17: never recover from this, you know. So the family is devastated,

3154
03:02:06,520 --> 03:02:11,040
Speaker 17: especially because of the joy that he brought. He literally

3155
03:02:11,280 --> 03:02:13,800
Speaker 17: was the light in the room. He was the one

3156
03:02:13,879 --> 03:02:16,080
Speaker 17: that brought spirits back up.

3157
03:02:16,920 --> 03:02:18,360
Speaker 15: It was evidence even in.

3158
03:02:18,480 --> 03:02:22,480
Speaker 17: His coworkers and the people that in that apartment complex.

3159
03:02:22,640 --> 03:02:25,080
Speaker 17: He only lived there for eleven months, but they all

3160
03:02:25,240 --> 03:02:27,360
Speaker 17: had great things to say about him.

3161
03:02:28,720 --> 03:02:28,920
Speaker 13: You know.

3162
03:02:29,200 --> 03:02:33,640
Speaker 17: So this is horrible, and it's really really hard. Even

3163
03:02:34,120 --> 03:02:37,000
Speaker 17: though I've been out here speaking and I've been trying

3164
03:02:37,040 --> 03:02:38,920
Speaker 17: to get the word out and call it for justice

3165
03:02:38,959 --> 03:02:43,320
Speaker 17: for Keith. I don't even know how I'm like really

3166
03:02:43,440 --> 03:02:45,240
Speaker 17: is by the grace of God. I don't even know

3167
03:02:45,920 --> 03:02:51,120
Speaker 17: how I'm able to compartmentalize. Cry speak, cry speak, but

3168
03:02:51,240 --> 03:02:54,160
Speaker 17: my heart is broken. Like this is like the most

3169
03:02:54,200 --> 03:02:58,560
Speaker 17: horrible thing is like I just was in those random moments,

3170
03:02:58,920 --> 03:03:01,080
Speaker 17: you know, I went in my kitchen and I was

3171
03:03:01,160 --> 03:03:04,400
Speaker 17: making me a cup of tea yesterday, and you know

3172
03:03:04,680 --> 03:03:09,200
Speaker 17: the reality that's like Pooter is not here, Like oh

3173
03:03:09,280 --> 03:03:12,240
Speaker 17: my gosh, like we really just laid him.

3174
03:03:12,280 --> 03:03:13,520
Speaker 15: The rest of them Friday.

3175
03:03:14,400 --> 03:03:19,520
Speaker 17: He's not here anymore. That is devastating. He was his

3176
03:03:19,800 --> 03:03:21,320
Speaker 17: mother's only child.

3177
03:03:22,280 --> 03:03:30,000
Speaker 15: This is devastating. Oh wow, you know, I'm sorry. I'm sorry,

3178
03:03:30,080 --> 03:03:32,920
Speaker 15: Miss Tyler. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

3179
03:03:33,440 --> 03:03:35,640
Speaker 1: But you know what, Docu Lene, It was needed because

3180
03:03:35,680 --> 03:03:38,920
Speaker 1: folks thought we were on the impression that that kicks

3181
03:03:39,040 --> 03:03:41,480
Speaker 1: us out there firing off shots, and this guy shot

3182
03:03:41,520 --> 03:03:43,480
Speaker 1: him because he was trying to protect the community. Now

3183
03:03:43,560 --> 03:03:46,680
Speaker 1: this is a whole, totally different story. We're hearing from chat.

3184
03:03:46,840 --> 03:03:50,600
Speaker 17: They're putting out lies and they're as fascinating Keith's character,

3185
03:03:50,800 --> 03:03:55,280
Speaker 17: and that's not even what happened. And he would have

3186
03:03:55,440 --> 03:03:58,720
Speaker 17: never pointed a gun at anybody that wasn't trying to

3187
03:03:58,800 --> 03:03:59,360
Speaker 17: shoot him.

3188
03:03:59,520 --> 03:04:00,640
Speaker 10: And so that's the thing.

3189
03:04:00,760 --> 03:04:03,800
Speaker 17: It's like they want us to believe even before we

3190
03:04:03,920 --> 03:04:07,080
Speaker 17: knew what we know, they wanted us to believe something.

3191
03:04:06,920 --> 03:04:10,120
Speaker 16: Against what we know about him.

3192
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Speaker 4: You know, he's like me.

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Speaker 17: You see somebody running out and playing clothes and I

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03:04:16,440 --> 03:04:18,400
Speaker 17: would have told you the money, all business go back

3195
03:04:18,440 --> 03:04:22,160
Speaker 17: in your house. He don't even be cursing and stuff

3196
03:04:22,280 --> 03:04:24,360
Speaker 17: like that. Somebody else might have cussed that man out.

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Speaker 17: You know how people get, especially out here, But for

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03:04:27,240 --> 03:04:31,160
Speaker 17: those people who don't know. In California and LA specifically,

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03:04:32,800 --> 03:04:37,119
Speaker 17: people yes, like they still country people do still shoot

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03:04:37,200 --> 03:04:40,880
Speaker 17: in the air for New Year's Eve, for the fourth

3201
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Speaker 17: of July July, for Dodgers, for Dodger championships, when the

3202
03:04:46,200 --> 03:04:49,840
Speaker 17: Lakers win championships. That is still very much a part

3203
03:04:49,920 --> 03:04:53,040
Speaker 17: of the culture out here. And I'm not one that

3204
03:04:53,280 --> 03:04:56,280
Speaker 17: necessarily agrees that it's the right thing to do. But

3205
03:04:56,440 --> 03:04:58,680
Speaker 17: growing up how I grew up, my granddaddy used to

3206
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Speaker 17: shoot in the air every min Year's even our backyard,

3207
03:05:01,440 --> 03:05:05,680
Speaker 17: private property. You know, Keep's mistake was thinking that he

3208
03:05:05,760 --> 03:05:09,520
Speaker 17: could do that out there in north Ridge. And I've

3209
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Speaker 17: always said I'll never move out there again, you know,

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Speaker 17: in that particular area of the valley. You know, I

3211
03:05:16,480 --> 03:05:18,879
Speaker 17: used to live there. I went to cal State Northridge.

3212
03:05:19,760 --> 03:05:23,720
Speaker 17: When they told me where I knew exactly, you know,

3213
03:05:23,840 --> 03:05:26,680
Speaker 17: my heart just dropped. It was just like, oh my gosh,

3214
03:05:27,440 --> 03:05:30,279
Speaker 17: you are not safe in your black skin doing normal

3215
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Speaker 17: things in that area a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of times, you know.

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Speaker 17: And so again firearm violation, he was like a kid

3218
03:05:39,640 --> 03:05:43,240
Speaker 17: in the caddy store. The rifle was licensed, he did

3219
03:05:43,400 --> 03:05:46,040
Speaker 17: have a permit, and that was, you know, part of it.

3220
03:05:47,080 --> 03:05:49,400
Speaker 17: He wanted to play with his new toy, and he

3221
03:05:49,560 --> 03:05:52,360
Speaker 17: made sure that there were not you know, people around,

3222
03:05:52,400 --> 03:05:54,360
Speaker 17: and I know what goes up has to come down.

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Speaker 17: Like I said, consider it reckless, but it should not

3224
03:05:58,640 --> 03:06:02,400
Speaker 17: have been a death sentence, especially when he was already

3225
03:06:02,520 --> 03:06:06,360
Speaker 17: on his way back into his apartment to get ready

3226
03:06:06,440 --> 03:06:09,520
Speaker 17: for the company that he was expecting to celebrate New

3227
03:06:09,600 --> 03:06:13,279
Speaker 17: Year's Eve with his girlfriend. I went to go get food.

3228
03:06:13,520 --> 03:06:16,360
Speaker 17: They were expecting company. It's not like he was even

3229
03:06:16,400 --> 03:06:18,520
Speaker 17: planning on being out there longer than he was, and

3230
03:06:18,640 --> 03:06:21,360
Speaker 17: he wasn't. That man found him as he was already

3231
03:06:22,120 --> 03:06:25,120
Speaker 17: on his way back in. My cousin's body was not

3232
03:06:25,440 --> 03:06:28,360
Speaker 17: lame where he let off the shots. His body laid

3233
03:06:28,920 --> 03:06:33,959
Speaker 17: in the rain, uncovered for hours, steps away from his door.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, listen, we're just a bad out of time.

3235
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry for your lost. My condolences to the family.

3236
03:06:43,200 --> 03:06:45,880
Speaker 1: It's just a doctor, Malina. Tell us how we can

3237
03:06:46,000 --> 03:06:48,080
Speaker 1: help the Keith Porter's family.

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Speaker 4: Please sure, So.

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Speaker 15: We attempted to deliver a petition that's signed by over

3240
03:06:54,879 --> 03:06:59,000
Speaker 15: eighteen thousand people demanding the LAPD make an arrest and

3241
03:06:59,320 --> 03:07:03,920
Speaker 15: recommend the killer, whose name is Brian Palasios, for charges

3242
03:07:04,280 --> 03:07:08,199
Speaker 15: we're still collecting more signatures. People can sign that petition

3243
03:07:08,720 --> 03:07:13,560
Speaker 15: at TinyURL dot com slash sign for Keith all spelled

3244
03:07:13,560 --> 03:07:17,440
Speaker 15: out TinyURL dot com slash sign for Keith. I want

3245
03:07:17,480 --> 03:07:21,600
Speaker 15: to encourage people to support Keith's family, his daughters, and

3246
03:07:21,760 --> 03:07:25,160
Speaker 15: they can donate to his daughters at TinyURL dot com

3247
03:07:25,680 --> 03:07:31,760
Speaker 15: slash donate for Keith TinyURL dot com slash donate for Keith.

3248
03:07:31,879 --> 03:07:35,200
Speaker 15: And that's the one that's created by his mother for

3249
03:07:35,320 --> 03:07:36,400
Speaker 15: the benefit.

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Speaker 5: Of his daughters.

3251
03:07:36,959 --> 03:07:38,680
Speaker 15: There's a few of them out there, but that's the

3252
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Speaker 15: one we want you to contribute to. And then we

3253
03:07:41,760 --> 03:07:44,520
Speaker 15: want people to get involved in the real Black Lives Matter,

3254
03:07:44,640 --> 03:07:47,640
Speaker 15: which is Black Lives Matter Grassroots. You can follow BLM

3255
03:07:47,720 --> 03:07:51,880
Speaker 15: Grassroots on all social media and we're going to keep pushing.

3256
03:07:52,560 --> 03:07:56,560
Speaker 15: There'll be other strategies that we're advancing that we need

3257
03:07:56,720 --> 03:07:59,800
Speaker 15: more people power to help us with, so please follow

3258
03:07:59,840 --> 03:08:03,480
Speaker 15: be LM Grassroots on all social media around that.

3259
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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, doctor Milia, doctor Millia Abdullah, thank

3260
03:08:07,520 --> 03:08:11,000
Speaker 1: you Jay, and again sorry for your loss. Our condolences

3261
03:08:11,040 --> 03:08:13,120
Speaker 1: to the family. We're going to help you and see

3262
03:08:13,320 --> 03:08:15,560
Speaker 1: and family. If you didn't get the information, just calls

3263
03:08:15,600 --> 03:08:16,760
Speaker 1: here and we can pass it on and get it

3264
03:08:16,879 --> 03:08:20,120
Speaker 1: doctor Miliona Abdilla to get the information to help keep

3265
03:08:20,160 --> 03:08:22,600
Speaker 1: porters children. Thank you, guys, thank you for sharing all

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Speaker 1: this information with us this morning.

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Speaker 15: Thank you so much. Love you, miss Tyler, love you,

3268
03:08:27,920 --> 03:08:28,200
Speaker 15: love you.

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03:08:28,520 --> 03:08:29,520
Speaker 5: Thank you guys, love you.

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Speaker 1: That all right, Thank you ladies. Family. That's it for

3271
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Speaker 1: the day. Class is dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive, please

3272
03:08:37,080 --> 03:08:39,240
Speaker 1: stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning right here at

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03:08:39,280 --> 03:08:42,680
Speaker 1: six o'clock in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and in

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Speaker 1: the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL